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Old 01-04-2005, 12:42 AM
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I put Lincoln and the two Roosevelts at the top.

Personally liking them, Carter and Ford.
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I thought they were all secretly evil...or is THAT a lie?
BTW Amber, you stole my cat (the tuxedo cat)
What's wrong with you? Stealing everybody's kitties!
No, you're right, most are secretly evil. To me, Jimmy C. may be the exception. which, of course, made him a bad politician.
and, no, i didn't steal your cat. But if yours is like mine? You are very lucky, indeed. Best. Cat. Ever.!
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Old 01-04-2005, 12:43 AM
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But Lincoln never ever set out to abolish slavery. In fact at the beginning of the war he was a racist. As the war grew on, he changed a little, but he never cared one bit about blacks. The Emancapation Proclation in 1863 was purely a war strategy.
Not only that, but he allowed the rich to buy their children out of the war and he saw the influx of staving Irish as the way to fight it. He also knew the South's economy and the mouth of the Mississippi in Louisiana were vital to the U.S. - thus it could not be lost. If it had been an area with no taxable economy, I think Lincoln would have said SEEE YAAAAAA
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Old 01-04-2005, 12:44 AM
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You should have more beefs with him than that, my friend.
No, because his right-leanings are the root to all the ****ty things he did, save Monica. The Welfare Reform Act? That was f*cking disgusting. Marriage Act of '98? Despicable. I could go on and on. He turned into a Republican with somewhat leftist policies. And it was gross.
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You are very lucky, indeed. Best. Cat. Ever.!
Stay on topic!

I <3 no Presidents. I don't have a fav.
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Old 01-04-2005, 12:45 AM
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No, you're right, most are secretly evil. To me, Jimmy C. may be the exception. which, of course, made him a bad politician.
and, no, i didn't steal your cat. But if yours is like mine? You are very lucky, indeed. Best. Cat. Ever.!
Don't forget Ford. I hate Republicans with a passion, but Ford was a genuine and sincere man, whatever his politics may be. And he's quite the lefty when compared to some of the loons running the show now.
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Old 01-04-2005, 12:47 AM
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Stay on topic...yes...well my cat is a little schizo...no she is not the best cat ever!
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No, because his right-leanings are the root to all the ****ty things he did, save Monica. The Welfare Reform Act? That was f*cking disgusting. Marriage Act of '98? Despicable. I could go on and on. He turned into a Republican with somewhat leftist policies. And it was gross.
I was mainly talking about the bombings of a few countries, and possibly NAFTA? yep. thanks, Dissy!
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Don't forget Ford. I hate Republicans with a passion, but Ford was a genuine and sincere man, whatever his politics may be. And he's quite the lefty when compared to some of the loons running the show now.
You know, I think you might be right. I don't know a lot about Ford *Cancer* but it strikes me that you are correct.
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Old 01-04-2005, 12:58 AM
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I still don't know about Presidents enought to say I have a fav.
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Old 01-04-2005, 01:13 AM
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Teddy Roosevelt, the Bull Moose, was a great pres. He's always been my fave.
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FDR, without question. I obviously don't remember him but my parents talked about him all the time. I feel somewhat cheated I haven't had the privilege of voting for someone of his caliber in my lifetime.

Runners Up:

Lincoln

Jefferson
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Old 01-04-2005, 10:17 AM
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-Clinton...his lies and deceptions overshadowed the great work he actually did, but underneath all that are many accomplishments. I don't think it's fair to call him a RIGHT-WINGER, he was definetely moderate...but you can't exactly put him in the same category as President Bush. On social issues, he was off from his base probably, like gay issues and abortion.... Clintons accomplishment in my eyes is bringing a party that had been out of the spotlight in ways for years at the point, back to the front...He let average americans know that they could be democrats too, and actually Democrats represented AVERAGE americans more than Republicans.


Of course republicans would probably say that he had nothing to do with his record accomplishments of moving record deficits to record surpluses, which of course as well all know ARE BACK DOWN IN THE HOLE NOW. He accomplished paying off the national debt a whole lot. Over 21 million new jobs were created under his presidency. Under President Clinton the economy had added an average of 248,000 jobs per month, the highest under any President. Minimum wage rose from $4.25 to $5.15 and Clinton before leaving called for it to be raised to like $6.15


Under Clinton we had the lowest number of people on welfare since 1969.
The United States under Clinton had five consecutive years of real wage growth -- the longest consecutive increase since the 1960s. The list goes on of his achievements, like unemployement, poverty, as well as military medicare reform. Not only was Clinton an economy President, he was an education President. He expanded work study programs as well as the Pell Grant. Of course we had the lowest crime rates in like 25 yrs under Clinton, certainly much of this had to do with Clinton.


-FDR...based on my knowledge of his work. Although I agree that his accomplishments and what he meant for them have been deeply skewed and twisted since them. Never forget THE NEW DEAL. His “good neighbor” policy toward Latin America, which included the signing of reciprocal trade agreements with many countries, really improved relations with the neighboring republics to the south. Plus he was the first to run and win for a 3rd term, and then a 4th. Then came Pearl Harbor, and the allegations that we knew about it, and so on...and the rest is downhill for him there. However he is largely responsible in part for the large growth of the US military.



-Kennedy...most people seem to like any President who is killed. He launched our nation's exploration of space, many believe he was a champion of women's and blacks civil rights. Kennedy backed the Soviets down through negotiations and embargo, going against the advice of many..instead of indulging what may have been a nuclear holocaust during the Cuban Missile Crisis. It is said that he corrected an economy quickly that was off course. One of his most important accomplishments, although not mentioned much ,was his ban of the atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons.

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My beef is only with the fact that he practically turned into a right-winger. He sold out. And he continues to do so. I've no use for him. Yet every liberal throws common sense out the window and worships the ground he walks on. It makes me vomit. Hillary is the true liberal, not that she'd let the public know it.
In her book she does, I love how much she cares about "social justice". Her autobiography was a good read. I am still only halfway through Bill's.
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