Third Debate - Page 2

diamondsnake · #16 10-13-2004, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden

I'm having that same problem. I think I'll be a nicer person once this is all over. I walk down the street and think to myself, Just counted four people who would be happy if I were never allowed to get married, and I have to get a grip at some point and think about other things.

Hillary

Who cares if you are legally married or not? If you and your partner had a commitment ceremony (even if it wasn't recognized by the state) and considered yourself married that would be enough for me to consider you two a married couple. Sign a living will so you can visit each other in the hospital if anything happens and viola you are as good as wife and wife.

I don't think it truely matters if you have a marriage certificate or not. It is just a piece of paper. It is what matters on the inside that counts. If someone is the love of your life, your soul mate, if you will then that is all that counts.

takenbythesky · #17 10-13-2004, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by diamondsnake

Who cares if you are legally married or not? If you and your partner had a commitment ceremony (even if it wasn't recognized by the state) and considered yourself married that would be enough for me to consider you two a married couple. Sign a living will so you can visit each other in the hospital if anything happens and viola you are as good as wife and wife.

I don't think it truely matters if you have a marriage certificate or not. It is just a piece of paper. It is what matters on the inside that counts. If someone is the love of your life, your soul mate, if you will then that is all that counts.

The problem with "just" having an unofficial ceremony is the legal rights. My uncle died eight years ago from AIDS, and his partner had NO control over his estate. When a gay person is ill, their spouse has difficulty seeing them in the hospital when they are ill and helping to make medical decisions. Even though the spouse may have been the equivalent of a husband or wife. Gay couples deserve every bit as much respect as straight couples.

amber · #18 10-13-2004, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by diamondsnake

Who cares if you are legally married or not? If you and your partner had a commitment ceremony (even if it wasn't recognized by the state) and considered yourself married that would be enough for me to consider you two a married couple. Sign a living will so you can visit each other in the hospital if anything happens and viola you are as good as wife and wife.

I don't think it truely matters if you have a marriage certificate or not. It is just a piece of paper. It is what matters on the inside that counts. If someone is the love of your life, your soul mate, if you will then that is all that counts.

Yeah, but they can't get married stuff, like benefits and tax things and stuff. I mean, of course it wouldn't matter much without these factors, but hetero married people get benefits for being married, which she would not be able to get - therefore, that means that everything is not equal under the law right now...

estranged4life · #19 10-14-2004, 12:14 AM

due to the ALCS/NLCS playoffs...But I take it that the burning Shrub got smoked yet again? If so I didnt miss much (Besides I watched the only debate that interested me this past weekend...And I now have my candidate thanks to the Independent debate)

Brian j.

gldstwmn · #20 10-14-2004, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dreammms

Did anyone notice the white crap on the side of W's mouth?

Yes.

gldstwmn · #21 10-14-2004, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DeeGeMe

And Gallop tends to screw towards Repugs, not Democrats.

The answer to every question for Shrub seemed to be "No Child Left Behind." No matter what the question-he only wanted to talk about Education! Jesus-what a moron!

Yep. He basically told all the engineers whose jobs have been outsourced that they didn't have enough education...that goes for working single mothers as well. Not everyone can grease their way into Yale and Harvard, ya know? He's an imbecile.

gldstwmn · #22 10-14-2004, 12:48 AM

Anyone catch the catfight between Joe Scarborough and Kathy Griffin? Whew!

That was the most agitated I have ever seen him. Apparently the word "lesbian" sets him right off. Jesus!

gldstwmn · #23 10-14-2004, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by takenbythesky

...Ledgies seem to be very liberal. What a shock.

Is that a problem?

takenbythesky · #24 10-14-2004, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Is that a problem?

NO NO NO NO. I just now realize that comment came off that way. Augh. I'm kicking myself. What I meant was that I was not shocked that many of the people who are FM fans are liberal. I think it's great that there are so many liberal Ledgies. I'm liberal.

Vianna · #25 10-14-2004, 07:26 AM

Bush is not good in a situation where he has to come up with answers-he needs his speechwriters=:-) Did you see him keep looking at his notes, like he had no idea what he wanted to say? Kerry has grace and poise...

It ticked me off how Bush kept bringing up Kerry's voting record-Bush has no record, he was never in Congress. It would be interesting to know what HE would have done...

Jen77 · #26 10-14-2004, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DeeGeMe

The answer to every question for Shrub seemed to be "No Child Left Behind." No matter what the question-he only wanted to talk about Education! Jesus-what a moron!

I agree!

GateandGarden · #27 10-14-2004, 10:08 AM

I was very annoyed that neither one of them seemed to be too keen on actually answering questions, Bush in particular. (Or at least that was my interpretation). As y'all already said, he had this habit of answering every question about education, whether the question pertained to it or not, but I really noticed that neither one of them really said anything specific when asked about affirmative action. Is it just me or did they not even really address that issue? I guess Kerry was trying to say that affirmative action is still necessary, but I think he was a bit vague. Bush--I don't think he even breathed the words "affirmative action" in his answer.

I just happened to see some of the comments broadcasted on FOX news after the debate, and a couple of guys (sorry that I have no idea who they were) were saying that it was beyond low for both Kerry and Edwards to bring up Cheney's lesbian daughter in the debates. But they failed to explain why that was so low. Is it so awful that it should go unmentioned? God forbid they point out the extremely obvious contradiction there, that Cheney actually claims to fully support his daughter.

Hillary

gldstwmn · #28 10-14-2004, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by takenbythesky

NO NO NO NO. I just now realize that comment came off that way. Augh. I'm kicking myself. What I meant was that I was not shocked that many of the people who are FM fans are liberal. I think it's great that there are so many liberal Ledgies. I'm liberal.

Thank you.

I am sick of people acting like liberal is a dirty word.

strandinthewind · #29 10-14-2004, 10:33 AM

Yea - the R's are trying to spin in so that any mention of Cheney's lesbo daughter is some kind of violation. I think both did it respectfully AND Cheney opened the door with it when he brought it up a few weeks ago.

To me, it is like the Cheney's are so embarrassed by it socially and politically that Dick actually gets somber when talking about it - sort of like people whisper when they say "black people" or some other, in their heads, socially taboo topic.

As for Lynn Cheney - I think she is a rabid bitch and I cannot stand her. She attacked a Cokie Roberts in 2000 for asking about the gay daughter here

http://www.progressive.org/mpvdmk00.htm - here is an excerpt:
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Dick Cheney's wife, Lynn, tried furiously to make the issue go away during a July 30 appearance on ABC's "This Week." When Cokie Roberts attempted to ask about the "daughter who has now declared she is openly gay," Cheney didn't even let her finish the question.

"Mary has never declared such a thing," Lynn Cheney snapped. "I have two wonderful daughters. I love them very much. They are bright. They are hard working. They are decent. And I simply am not going to talk about their personal lives. And I'm surprised, Cokie, that even you would want to bring it up."
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Interestingly, Mary Cheney had a job working for the Coors Brewing Company's liaison to the gay community and in June 1999, Mary Cheney told the lesbian magazine Girlfriends, "The reason I came to work here is because I knew several other lesbians who were very happy here." She has regularly made similar public statements.

So much for Lynn Cheney's venomous lies

and, now that harpy said this about Kerry last night:

Lynne Cheney accused Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry of pulling a “cheap and tawdry political trick,” apparently for invoking her daughter’s sexuality in his debate with President Bush.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6245927/

There are few people I's like to just smack the hell out of and she is high on the short list

cliffdweller · #30 10-14-2004, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Yep. He basically told all the engineers whose jobs have been outsourced that they didn't have enough education...that goes for working single mothers as well. Not everyone can grease their way into Yale and Harvard, ya know? He's an imbecile.

Exactly!

Send 'em all to community college! That'll fix the problem!