Zobgy: Bush Approval Collapses - Page 4

gldstwmn · #46 08-08-2004, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVielhaber

ok but you look to kerry's website to find what you like about him. i'm sure there are things that kerry has done and would do that you dont and wont agree with. but its not gonna say anything about that on his website.

I don't need to look on Kerry's website either. You asked a question and I'm trying to inform you with facts that back up my opinion. Sorry if I can't keep that down to a monosyllabic five sentences or less.

gldstwmn · #47 08-08-2004, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jwd

And I can assure you that your posts are "entertaining" as well. At least for awhile, until you've seen the same show over and over again.

But you keep coming back.

dissention · #48 08-08-2004, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jwd

I'd bet money that you wouldn't raise a stink over the electronic voting machines if Kerry won!

There has to be an acceptable method of voting set up in each county of the U.S. this year before the election, because we really can't afford that 2000 fiasco again.

Wrong. Electronic voting should be done away with permanently. It's the devil, IMO. It's so easy to hack into the machines and it doesn't help that there is no paper trail. Add to this the fact that the federal government is requiring certain minority groups to show ID and if they don't any, they refuse to give them paper ballots, which is against the law.

dissention · #49 08-08-2004, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jwd

until you've seen the same show over and over again.

I know, it must get tiring for you to read the facts over and over with the full knowledge that each tiem you do, you get proven wrong.

jwd · #50 08-08-2004, 02:22 PM

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gldstwmn:

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And I can assure you that your posts are "entertaining" as well. At least for awhile, until you've seen the same show over and over again.

But you keep coming back.

Excellent point! I really need to try to break this bad addiction I have.

jwd · #51 08-08-2004, 02:24 PM

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dissention:

I know, it must get tiring for you to read the facts over and over with the full knowledge that each tiem you do, you get proven wrong.

I'll let you believe that, if it makes you feel good.

gldstwmn · #52 08-08-2004, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jwd

Excellent point! I really need to try to break this bad addiction I have.

As I said...

gldstwmn · #53 08-08-2004, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVielhaber

would you use that against gore had he won? because no matter what it was going to the supreme court. at no point did gore have a lead in FL

Then why did all the networks call the elcetion for him at first- until Fox reversed themselves when Bush's cousin John Ellis of Fox News told Fox to call it for Bush?

MikeVielhaber · #54 08-08-2004, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Then why did all the networks call the elcetion for him at first- until Fox reversed themselves when Bush's cousin John Ellis of Fox News told Fox to call it for Bush?

does that mean the networks were completely right but something changed? cause it couldnt've been that they got it wrong. not like it hasn't happened before.

gldstwmn · #55 08-08-2004, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVielhaber

does that mean the networks were completely right but something changed? cause it couldnt've been that they got it wrong. not like it hasn't happened before.

I was just responding to your incorrect statement that Gore was never ahead.

strandinthewind · #56 08-08-2004, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

By duly elected I mean he did not win the poplular and electoral vote and the circumstances of his coming to power were extremely suspect. the term "duly elected" is open to interpretation.

touche' - but Gore certainly helped him get there by petitioning to recall only certain counties in Florida and then not asking the courts to develop a uniform standard in those counties. To quote Stevie "poor little fool . . . "

strandinthewind · #57 08-08-2004, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

Wrong. Electronic voting should be done away with permanently. It's the devil, IMO. It's so easy to hack into the machines and it doesn't help that there is no paper trail. Add to this the fact that the federal government is requiring certain minority groups to show ID and if they don't any, they refuse to give them paper ballots, which is against the law.

Which law is that? You have to have an ID to vote - that applies to everyone not just minorities

I thought all states employed that law. If they apply it only to minorities, then yes, that most likely would not pass Constitutional muster. But, it is applied to everyone at least in Georgia and Lousiana because I am a white male and I have show my ID to get the ballot.

As for electronic voting, I think it should be both. I think the ballot should be entered in a computer. Then a paper receipt should be given and one kept. That way they could tabulate the votes with greater accuracy and apaper trail could be kept for an audit.

strandinthewind · #58 08-08-2004, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Then why did all the networks call the elcetion for him at first- until Fox reversed themselves when Bush's cousin John Ellis of Fox News told Fox to call it for Bush?

Well, it was close - I can see how the networks were confused. I think NM was closer however.

strandinthewind · #59 08-08-2004, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I know, it must get tiring for you to read the facts over and over with the full knowledge that each tiem you do, you get proven wrong.

I was just gonna tell you that

dissention · #60 08-08-2004, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Which law is that? You have to have an ID to vote - that applies to everyone not just minorities

I thought all states employed that law. If they apply it only to minorities, then yes, that most likely would not pass Constitutional muster. But, it is applied to everyone at least in Georgia and Lousiana because I am a white male and I have show my ID to get the ballot.

As for electronic voting, I think it should be both. I think the ballot should be entered in a computer. Then a paper receipt should be given and one kept. That way they could tabulate the votes with greater accuracy and apaper trail could be kept for an audit.

There's a good article in this weeks issue of The Nation that tells you all about it, I suggest reading it. I may be able to post a link to it, but you might not be able to read it unless you subscribe (I do, I don't know if you do.).