BuckVie Producer Needham

[jbrownsjr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9KEsrj5T-w

[BigAl84]

This is such an annoyingly sh*tty interview. Of all things to ask the guy who worked with Christine and Lindsey - this dude chose to ask "will FM get back together again" and "Did you like the Bob Welch era?" JFC...

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

This is such an annoyingly sh*tty interview. Of all things to ask the guy who worked with Christine and Lindsey - this dude chose to ask "will FM get back together again" and "Did you like the Bob Welch era?" JFC...

Honestly, it sounded like he knew nothing about Christine McVie/Lindsey Buckingham album.

And boy was he afraid to "confess" as they say. His voice inflections were kind of telling. (I'm afraid to answer any of these questions)

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Honestly, it sounded like he knew nothing about Christine McVie/Lindsey Buckingham album.

I have not watched the video yet, but that's pretty weird.

Because in this interview he told about how they "used more experimental recording methods" after they decided the album would be just with Lindsey and Christine, among other mentions like the microphones they used, Mick's drums, Christine's demos, etc.

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniq...feel-about-you

[Penguin Emeritus]

ok. so i'm annoyed.

The fact that mick and john really wanted to go out on the road to support chris and her recent return to the band on the buck/vie tour, but apparently were not allowed to because then it would appear too much like a FM tour without stevie??

wtf. i never knew this. those 2 guys should have been able to go on that tour!! amazingly unfair, how they all had to tiptoe around the many moods of ms nicks. if she didn't want to be involved, they should have been able to do whatever tf they wanted without her. that seems very unfair that they couldn't go.

ugh. she keeps giving me reasons to like her less and less as the years go by.

--Lis

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

ok. so i'm annoyed.

The fact that mick and john really wanted to go out on the road to support chris and her recent return to the band on the buck/vie tour, but apparently were not allowed to because then it would appear too much like a FM tour without stevie??

wtf. i never knew this. those 2 guys should have been able to go on that tour!! amazingly unfair, how they all had to tiptoe around the many moods of ms nicks. if she didn't want to be involved, they should have been able to do whatever tf they wanted without her. that seems very unfair that they couldn't go.

ugh. she keeps giving me reasons to like her less and less as the years go by.

--Lis

Mick knows she's his only chance of big paychecks. What a loser he is.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

ok. so i'm annoyed.

The fact that mick and john really wanted to go out on the road to support chris and her recent return to the band on the buck/vie tour, but apparently were not allowed to because then it would appear too much like a FM tour without stevie??

wtf. i never knew this. those 2 guys should have been able to go on that tour!! amazingly unfair, how they all had to tiptoe around the many moods of ms nicks. if she didn't want to be involved, they should have been able to do whatever tf they wanted without her. that seems very unfair that they couldn't go.

ugh. she keeps giving me reasons to like her less and less as the years go by.

--Lis

this feels like an Azoff mandate.....

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Mick knows she's his only chance of big paychecks. What a loser he is.

yes he can be a loser at times. But i assume it was management that made that decision, no?? to ensure they have the right "vibe" and lay the groundwork to have an eventual tour with all five of them, they told mick and john not to go on the road with LB and chris? I mean what kind of BS is this?! god forbid chris have a chance to shine a little, with the three guys to support her without stevie stealing the show with her stories and costume changes. that could have been a beautiful experience for chris.

this really makes me sad.

I remember lindsey saying he was glad chris had the chance to see what the road was like without the chaos of the mac machinery going along w them, but let's be honest, much of that chaos and "extra" comes from stevie. i hardly see the inclusion of mick and john as causing a ruckus or making more demands for security etc... i mean the Time tour was pretty basic lol. J&M could have happily gone along on the scaled down/simplified tour w buck/vie, it really wasn't all that long. It could have been a comfortable, relaxed environment that chris might have really enjoyed. i'm not saying she didn't enjoy touring with just lindsey, but the four of them together would have been so interesting.

ugh. what a shame. and then stevie and mick went and had LB fired anyway when all 5 were gonna go out again. this is nuts.

--Lis

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Mick knows she's his only chance of big paychecks. What a loser he is.

yes he can be a loser at times. But i assume it was management that made that decision, no?? to ensure they have the right "vibe" and lay the groundwork to have an eventual tour with all five of them, they told mick and john not to go on the road with LB and chris? I mean what kind of BS is this?! god forbid chris have a chance to shine a little, with the three guys to support her without stevie stealing the show with her stories and costume changes. that could have been a beautiful experience for chris.

this really makes me sad.

I remember lindsey saying he was glad chris had the chance to see what the road was like without the chaos of the mac machinery going along w them, but let's be honest, much of that chaos and "extra" comes from stevie. i hardly see the inclusion of mick and john as causing a ruckus or making more demands for security etc... i mean the Time tour was pretty basic lol. J&M could have happily gone along on the scaled down/simplified tour w buck/vie, it really wasn't all that long. It could have been a comfortable, relaxed environment that chris might have really enjoyed. i'm not saying she didn't enjoy touring with just lindsey, but the four of them together would have been so interesting.

ugh. what a shame. and then stevie and mick went and had LB fired anyway when all 5 were gonna go out again. this is nuts.

--Lis

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

to ensure they have the right "vibe" and lay the groundwork to have an eventual tour with all five of them, they told mick and john not to go on the road with LB and chris? I mean what kind of BS is this?!

And they (J&M) agreed. Well Mick is Mick. But I wonder if John was upset with that decision or he didn't care.

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

ugh. what a shame. and then stevie and mick went and had LB fired anyway when all 5 were gonna go out again. this is nuts.

And John and Christine accepted the "new lineup".

My point is, even after I learned the details of how Lindsey was fired—basically by Stevie, her sycophant Azoff, and the double-edged sycophant Mick—John and Christine chose to accept the terms and tour with Mike and Neil. That's why I stopped listening to Fleetwood Mac for months in 2018, I was really really angry. And I've never watched a video from that tour. I was angry with all of them. And maybe that's why I'm not excited about new material (songs, documentaries, etc.) and love just the old music and possible old unknown tracks.

Yes, I agree that Stevie and Mick ruined the band and what could have been a wonderful ending. But John and Christine aren't entirely victims. Not even Lindsey, because I'm sure things happened during those years that we'll never know about.

[Penguin Emeritus]

Originally Posted by Villavic

And they (J&M) agreed. Well Mick is Mick. But I wonder if John was upset with that decision or he didn't care.



And John and Christine accepted the "new lineup".

My point is, even after I learned the details of how Lindsey was fired—basically by Stevie, her sycophant Azoff, and the double-edged sycophant Mick—John and Christine chose to accept the terms and tour with Mike and Neil. That's why I stopped listening to Fleetwood Mac for months in 2018, I was really really angry. And I've never watched a video from that tour. I was angry with all of them. And maybe that's why I'm not excited about new material (songs, documentaries, etc.) and love just the old music and possible old unknown tracks.

Yes, I agree that Stevie and Mick ruined the band and what could have been a wonderful ending. But John and Christine aren't entirely victims. Not even Lindsey, because I'm sure things happened during those years that we'll never know about.

i guess i had always assumed that mick had other stuff going on, and maybe john was a bit tired healthwise, didn't wanna push it after his treatments etc and maybe didn't want to do 2 tours back to back, so things would be just a lindsey/chris collaboration on the road. But if mark needham is saying they both really wanted to go, i'm gonna take that at face value that they wanted to be there.

i understand why you were angry; i've been angry many times at these people lol. I've heard john and chris had NO plans on leaving the tour, despite them both being against lindsey's firing. I mean even if they kept fighting it, does anyone think the issues between L&S would have magically gone away? what, would they have kissed and made up and put it all behind them?

Everyone was exhausted from their constant drama and yes, I'm sure lindsey was at fault as well. i heard chris was *really* upset by the way lindsey was treated, and this totally colored the way she felt about stevie, too, which is why it irritates me that stevie now has rewritten the narrative which is all over tiktok etc making it sound like they were like sisters/best friends/super close, *when they were not*. In many ways, chris felt she didn't have as much sway as she used to have since she'd been gone for so long, so she caved and sucked up the firing situation. come to think of it, that's prob why she sucked up mick and john being excluded on buck/vie tour also! but i digress.

Something really had to give. i would imagine J&C (who were verrry close again by that point) just wanted to go out on the road, period-- and now we know john had already been excluded from the *&^% buck/vie tour!-- so i guess they said 'fine, whatever, all 5 of us did go out in 2015 but at this point let's just accept these changes so we can go ahead and do *something* else, because we're not done yet.' (and the tension and drama between L&S from the 2015 tour might well have been part of this decision also...? the feeling of 'we don't need any more of that crap'..?) maybe they weren't entirely victims, but on the other hand they'd been victims of the unending issues between those two and were understandably sick of it. IMO they should not have had to be done just because L&S couldn't get their sh*t together.

the whole ending was just a shame. sigh. i remain grateful that chris got to come back and do as much as she did, because she LOVED it, even if poor LB was unfairly sacrificed in the process. wish it could have been different...as they probably did too!

--Lis

[WalkAThinLine.]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Honestly, it sounded like he knew nothing about Christine McVie/Lindsey Buckingham album.

And boy was he afraid to "confess" as they say. His voice inflections were kind of telling. (I'm afraid to answer any of these questions)

I wish that the interviewer asked more specifics about the making of the Buckingham McVie album, but he seemed to have the essentials of the band history down. I'm sure that the majority of the general public couldn't name even one of Buckingham's replacements, yet he managed to do so.

[anusha]

Originally Posted by Penguin Emeritus

ok. so i'm annoyed.

The fact that mick and john really wanted to go out on the road to support chris and her recent return to the band on the buck/vie tour, but apparently were not allowed to because then it would appear too much like a FM tour without stevie??

wtf. i never knew this. those 2 guys should have been able to go on that tour!! amazingly unfair, how they all had to tiptoe around the many moods of ms nicks. if she didn't want to be involved, they should have been able to do whatever tf they wanted without her. that seems very unfair that they couldn't go.

ugh. she keeps giving me reasons to like her less and less as the years go by.

--Lis

This is heartbreaking. I can imagine how much fun they would have had on this tour. I know that Lindsey can be a lot and contributed to the dynamic with Stevie, but it also seems pretty clear that the Mick, John, Chris and Lindsey did enjoy playing together, and I would think a tour would have been a lot of fun for them and us.

And the thing is, it's mostly about ego. The business people around FM may not have wanted to dilute the brand, but this has Stevie's fingerprints all over it.

[HomerMcvie]

Wrong thread, because the sun is shining on my damned phone.

[SteveMacD]

Nobody’s saying anything about the Rick Turner guitar hanging on his wall.