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Originally Posted by Villavic
(Post 1304990)
And they (J&M) agreed. Well Mick is Mick. But I wonder if John was upset with that decision or he didn't care.
And John and Christine accepted the "new lineup".
My point is, even after I learned the details of how Lindsey was firedbasically by Stevie, her sycophant Azoff, and the double-edged sycophant MickJohn and Christine chose to accept the terms and tour with Mike and Neil. That's why I stopped listening to Fleetwood Mac for months in 2018, I was really really angry. And I've never watched a video from that tour. I was angry with all of them. And maybe that's why I'm not excited about new material (songs, documentaries, etc.) and love just the old music and possible old unknown tracks.
Yes, I agree that Stevie and Mick ruined the band and what could have been a wonderful ending. But John and Christine aren't entirely victims. Not even Lindsey, because I'm sure things happened during those years that we'll never know about.
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i guess i had always assumed that mick had other stuff going on, and maybe john was a bit tired healthwise, didn't wanna push it after his treatments etc and maybe didn't want to do 2 tours back to back, so things would be just a lindsey/chris collaboration on the road. But if mark needham is saying they both really wanted to go, i'm gonna take that at face value that they wanted to be there.
i understand why you were angry; i've been angry many times at these people lol. I've heard john and chris had NO plans on leaving the tour, despite them both being against lindsey's firing. I mean even if they kept fighting it, does anyone think the issues between L&S would have magically gone away? what, would they have kissed and made up and put it all behind them?
Everyone was exhausted from their constant drama and yes, I'm sure lindsey was at fault as well. i heard chris was *really* upset by the way lindsey was treated, and this totally colored the way she felt about stevie, too, which is why it irritates me that stevie now has rewritten the narrative which is all over tiktok etc making it sound like they were like sisters/best friends/super close, *when they were not*. In many ways, chris felt she didn't have as much sway as she used to have since she'd been gone for so long, so she caved and sucked up the firing situation. come to think of it, that's prob why she sucked up mick and john being excluded on buck/vie tour also! but i digress.
Something really had to give. i would imagine J&C (who were verrry close again by that point) just wanted to go out on the road, period-- and now we know john had already been excluded from the *&^% buck/vie tour!-- so i guess they said 'fine, whatever, all 5 of us did go out in 2015 but at this point let's just accept these changes so we can go ahead and do *something* else, because we're not done yet.' (and the tension and drama between L&S from the 2015 tour might well have been part of this decision also...? the feeling of 'we don't need any more of that crap'..?) maybe they weren't entirely victims, but on the other hand they'd been victims of the unending issues between those two and were understandably sick of it. IMO they should not have had to be done just because L&S couldn't get their sh*t together.
the whole ending was just a shame. sigh. i remain grateful that chris got to come back and do as much as she did, because she LOVED it, even if poor LB was unfairly sacrificed in the process. wish it could have been different...as they probably did too!
--Lis
