Original audio 1986 RED ROCKS. "TALK TO ME", ""Stand Back," "Outside the rain/Dreams" - Page 2

Macfan4life · #16 03-06-2017, 05:54 PM

Yes after listening more to Stand Back there are parts that are identical.
The "Its not alright" part and the ending
I think she sounds fine on these recordings
How crazy to think. OMG we just filmed a concert. No one can see you this way. No one can hear you like this.
Just crazy

TheWildHeart67 · #17 03-06-2017, 07:09 PM

I agree. They could have used the original vocals. Or at least used most of them. I went to 3 "Rock a Little" concerts in southern California, and she was amazing all 3 nights.
It's just strange now, as I have enjoyed the "Live at Red Rocks" video for close to 31 years, and really had no clue the audio wasn't from the original show. I knew the fake shots were there, but not the audio. I recorded the concert on my Beta Hi-Fi VCR when Showtime originally aired it. Then I purchased it when it was released officially on Beta(I was a die-hard Beta fan because of the superior picture and stereo quality and didn't get a VHS machine until they stopped releasing Beta movies in 1990). Then I bought a VHS copy of the concert. And then I purchased a DVD copy. LOL! I probably watched this concert 200 times over the years. But I never knew the audio was totally dubbed until a couple of years ago when I read about it online. So, it's fascinating to me that this concert I've watched for decades is fake!
And I expected the real audio to be way worse than it actually is after reading how butchered she sounded, according to various sources online.
It's not as bad as I expected it to be.
It's really interesting to read everybody's reactions on this thread.
John

bombaysaffires · #18 03-06-2017, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I'm not sure why it's a thing that she dubbed her vocals for the release of the video?

coz she didn't just dub a few bad notes.....it was a LOT.
And the video is very fake....far, far too many studio shots done later because she was such a wasted mess during the taping.

It ends up being like a promo video, not a concert. the shots of her throughout the whole thing are her lip synching to the audio track. there not much 'live' about it.

bombaysaffires · #19 03-06-2017, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWildHeart67

We all know the audio and video footage of the "Red Rocks" video was cleaned up and changed before released. Here's "Talk to me" in it's original form https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5q_ZUbjkx8
"Stand Back" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDZNrSr0sRg
"Outside the rain." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpcHsJ4TwTI
"Dreams." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKdBgtN2cfY
You can hear the original audio is VERY different from what we have been hearing the past 30 or so years when watching "Live at Red Rocks."
Much of the vocals were obviously redone.
Please post your thoughts after listening to these.
I have read so much about this over the years but only found and listened to the REAL audio tonight.
Some of "Outside the rain" and "Dreams" sounds like the audio on the released video. "Stand Back" is dramatically different, although the ending sounds the same.

they have Talk to Me as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5q_ZUbjkx8

OMG at about the 2:00 mark... the "well".........talk about a scalded cat.........holy sh&t

TheWildHeart67 · #20 03-06-2017, 11:08 PM

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"Originally Posted by gldstwmn
I'm not sure why it's a thing that she dubbed her vocals for the release of the video?"

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Because the "concert" is barely from the concert at all.
The fake close-ups, the dubbed audio.
This was a very famous concert.
It hit #1 on Billboard's video charts, first on the Beta/VHS release, and then again when it was released on DVD over a decade later.
Most fans own this concert and have watched it for decades.
It's become a "thing," as you put it, because it's become infamous for not being real at all.
As a fan, I find this very interesting, and it's worthy of discussion.

TheWildHeart67 · #21 03-06-2017, 11:20 PM

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they have Talk to Me as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5q_ZUbjkx8

OMG at about the 2:00 mark... the "well".........talk about a scalded cat.........holy sh&t

That "well well" shriek at the 2:00 mark is also on the "Live at Red Rocks" video. That part was not dubbed and shows that this is the original audio as it is used in the video release. One of the few pieces of audio that wasn't dubbed.

TheWildHeart67 · #22 03-06-2017, 11:57 PM

Ok, I just found this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mG6-RLoDaI
The person who posted it says it's from the Red Rocks concert in 86.
It isn't from the links I had originally posted on this thread.
What do you all think?
An alternate show from one of the other nights?
It's mixed very professionally.

Nathan · #23 03-07-2017, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWildHeart67

Ok, I just found this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mG6-RLoDaI
The person who posted it says it's from the Red Rocks concert in 86.
It isn't from the links I had originally posted on this thread.
What do you all think?
An alternate show from one of the other nights?
It's mixed very professionally.

That's a cool version of I Need To Know. You can hear her vocal so well.

The original links are better quality than any uncut red rocks I've herd before. Stand Back is so different. Man I would love to see the unedited tapes for this. Maybe someday.

Macfan4life · #24 03-07-2017, 05:05 AM

Many of the fans state they were paid actors and paid to cheer and clap.

(Ha ha that was my joke for the morning)

I was surprised to know that the Tango concert was also lip synced. You can notice the far away clips are a bit different than the close ups. But my biggest surprise that we discussed year about a year ago was the band lip synced to Don't Stop for the 1993 Bill Clinton inaugural. Christine mentioned this during an interview that I posted. I guess because it was live TV it was a safe thing to do?

**SisterNightroad** · #25 03-07-2017, 07:10 AM

Also their 1997-8 performance at the TV show Wetten Dass was lip synched, watch it if you can because it's priceless.
Often in Live TV shows bands have to lyp sync performances because they don't have the space and time to rehearse beforehand or the acoustic isn't appropriate or even in some cases the place isn't "equipped" for some of the instrumentation. For example in my national's third channel show "Che Tempo Che Fa" Madonna and Adele could actually perform because much of their music was handled electronically or they singed with very sparse and simple instrumentation or even acapella but Muse had lip synched.

However returning to the Red Rocks show, I know the unedited/uncut version crculating should be an audience recording and I think this is the case since at some point in the audio you can hear very clearly fans shouting and cheering.

TheWildHeart67 · #26 03-07-2017, 07:44 AM

That's interesting about FM lip synching at the Clinton inauguration, as Lindsey's vocals sounded very rough. You'd think they would have used a better vocal.

Macfan4life · #27 03-07-2017, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWildHeart67

That's interesting about FM lip synching at the Clinton inauguration, as Lindsey's vocals sounded very rough. You'd think they would have used a better vocal.

The mics were definitely on. Now I cant remember exactly what Christine said. They may have sung to the recorded track. I may have gotten it backwards.

gldstwmn · #28 03-07-2017, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWildHeart67

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Because the "concert" is barely from the concert at all.
The fake close-ups, the dubbed audio.
This was a very famous concert.
It hit #1 on Billboard's video charts, first on the Beta/VHS release, and then again when it was released on DVD over a decade later.
Most fans own this concert and have watched it for decades.
It's become a "thing," as you put it, because it's become infamous for not being real at all.
As a fan, I find this very interesting, and it's worthy of discussion.

Everyone does this.

gldstwmn · #29 03-07-2017, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

coz she didn't just dub a few bad notes.....it was a LOT.
And the video is very fake....far, far too many studio shots done later because she was such a wasted mess during the taping.

It ends up being like a promo video, not a concert. the shots of her throughout the whole thing are her lip synching to the audio track. there not much 'live' about it.

It's not uncommon for artists to do this especially in the 80's. There were times during that tour where she literally looked on the verge of death. I'm glad she wasn't immortalized that way.

gldstwmn · #30 03-07-2017, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfan4life

Many of the fans state they were paid actors and paid to cheer and clap.

(Ha ha that was my joke for the morning)

Have you ever been to Red Rocks? Everybody who was there (and I know many) were well on their way to being as high as Stevie. If you could handle the day long wait in the hot sun then it was a great big fun party complete with water balloons or water of any kind to cool off and a smorgasbord of substances to keep you hydrated and engaged. Then they would open the gates and you would run up those crazy stairs to get yourself and your friends the best seats, close, close, close! No one was bored or dissatisfied by any stretch of the imagination. Also there is a soundboard of No Spoken Word from August and she sounds just fine. You can't really use a low quality audience recording for comparison.
I should also note the tickets to the August show were free!