Actual reels for sale on eBay - Page 2

Hippocampus · #16 09-15-2003, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by dissention
I agree! There are some FM/SN traders who take it *way* too seriously. Some of their rules are absolutely daunting and really take away from the fun in trading. Don't do this, don't do that; who cares? As long as I get the boot(s) and it sounds as promised, I'm good to go.

Well to be fair, I think most of the rules are for the benefit of the entire trading community. For example, it can't hurt to remind people again and again that burning live shows with gaps is a no-go. By being demanding, traders do maintain the overall quality of bootlegs. After all what you trade for today is what you'll be trading with tomorrow.

And no I don't have a trade page (well not yet)

dissention · #17 09-15-2003, 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by Hippocampus
Well to be fair, I think most of the rules are for the benefit of the entire trading community. For example, it can't hurt to remind people again and again that burning live shows with gaps is a no-go. By being demanding, traders do maintain the overall quality of bootlegs. After all what you trade for today is what you'll be trading with tomorrow.

And no I don't have a trade page (well not yet)

Every trader has those rules, I'm only referring to the really anal traders.

The ones who DEMAND that you replace their discs if there is even one fingerprint. The ones who require priority mail (I'm not a bank, folks!). I'll send priority mail if I feel like it and I like the trader, not if someone requires me to do so. I will not replace a disc because it has a fingerprint on it; if that results in me being branded as a bad trader, so be it.

I'm talking about the ones who make it a requirement that you send first and don't send out your discs until two weeks after they receive theirs. People take trading too seriously, as if it is a divine thing. It's not. It's fans sharing music with each other for the benefit of hearing good music that they normally wouldn't be able to hear.

And I know I referred to it in my previous posts, but the ones who love to trade and expand their collections, but only with "certain" stuff. The way that some asshole traders sit on the masters like they own them. It makes me sick and I will not do any trading with "traders" like that. After everyone expanded their collections, they have the nerve to act like they own the masters? Screw them.

sarabelladonna1 · #18 09-15-2003, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by dissention
Well folks, someone bought them.

Hopefully it's a fan who will be thoughtful enought to trade them instead of hoarding them like greedy, elitist asses who think they deserve them more than anyone else.

well i hope this person is made of money because its not cheap getting reels baked and transfered in a studio

plus hope they have fun finding a studio that will do copyrighted stuff... and who is the greedy fans i keep hearing about ? the fans i know are all so nice and care about everyone!

P.s
Why is every one wanting these so called "masters" I heard they are selling somewhere on the chain list ...
sounds to me like every one wants a free ride or something?]

Johnny Stew · #19 09-16-2003, 01:54 AM

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Originally posted by sarabelladonna1
Why is every one wanting these so called "masters" I heard they are selling somewhere on the chain list ...
sounds to me like every one wants a free ride or something?]

I don't belong to the 'Chain' list, so I'm not sure if someone is selling them there, or not. I hope not, as no one should be making a profit off of these. Unless they're just charging for the cost of a blank CD and shipping... which is fair enough.

And no one here is wanting a "free-ride" really... simply a chance to have the same songs in their collection that other fans have, either by 1:1 trades, or 2:1 trades.

estranged4life · #20 09-16-2003, 05:29 AM

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Originally posted by sarabelladonna1

plus hope they have fun finding a studio that will do copyrighted stuff...

that is one thing that surprises me about people doing transfers of reels by any artist/group/etc is how a studio owner can look the other way...When the $$$$ start talkin'

Most of the studios I know "personally" will not allow someone to use their facilities to do digital transfer from analog sourced tape of copyrighted material...

That is a BIG "No-No" in the eyes of studios & their owners and is frowned on by the RIAA...(Btw, just about ANYTHING that involves music is frowned upon by those RIAA putz'!!!)

Brian j.

sarabelladonna1 · #21 09-16-2003, 06:28 AM

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Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I don't belong to the 'Chain' list, so I'm not sure if someone is selling them there, or not. I hope not, as no one should be making a profit off of these. Unless they're just charging for the cost of a blank CD and shipping... which is fair enough.

And no one here is wanting a "free-ride" really... simply a chance to have the same songs in their collection that other fans have, either by 1:1 trades, or 2:1 trades.

Its not wrong for the person who owns the reels and takes them to a studio and pays 1000s of bucks to want a little money in return..thats not easy work people ! so why should they pay all this money and then turn around and just give out? Should he/she go poor just to make some one happy? No there doing this to help you have this music but you have to work a little for it to ...Trust me i have been in Trading Stevie music for a long time and I collect as much rare stuff as i can get and if that means paying for it I will ..Like the saying goes if you get hungry enough you'll eat whats on the table..Stop thinking because your a fan your owed this music ,No you dont have the right to have this music for free you do have the right to give a few bucks to keep this music coming..If you dont pay a little now there WONT be any masters to want later on down the line and the ones that are out there will be locked up and never see the light of day again..If you want the music that bad then buy it! And let the people who have it alone and stop acting like there freakin Free Masons! There is no underground stevie thing going on I bet if people have this music then they paid for it and can do whatever they want with it! Its called helping the person to keep them coming...

Hippocampus · #22 09-16-2003, 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by sarabelladonna1
Its not wrong for the person who owns the reels and takes them to a studio and pays 1000s of bucks to want a little money in return..thats not easy work people ! so why should they pay all this money and then turn around and just give out? Should he/she go poor just to make some one happy? No there doing this to help you have this music but you have to work a little for it to ...Trust me i have been in Trading Stevie music for a long time and I collect as much rare stuff as i can get and if that means paying for it I will ..Like the saying goes if you get hungry enough you'll eat whats on the table..Stop thinking because your a fan your owed this music ,No you dont have the right to have this music for free you do have the right to give a few bucks to keep this music coming..If you dont pay a little now there WONT be any masters to want later on down the line and the ones that are out there will be locked up and never see the light of day again..If you want the music that bad then buy it! And let the people who have it alone and stop acting like there freakin Free Masons! There is no underground stevie thing going on I bet if people have this music then they paid for it and can do whatever they want with it! Its called helping the person to keep them coming...

Then I guess there has been a great lack of communication within the trading community about the reels as these have been circulating freely so far. Sorry but it's anyone's guess how these things surface in the first place unless people are TOLD about it, and displaying these among trade pages with other boots if you do not want to "give them away" is not the way to go IMO. Especially when your trading rules clearly dictate you won't sell anything...

I perfectly understand how costly this can be to the devoted fan who's paying for this material to see the light of day. I am certain there are quite a few people who would glady help if only they were told where to turn their contributions. And I'm not talking about helping some freeloader increase their monthly income by selling copies of something they got for free...

estranged4life · #23 09-16-2003, 01:48 PM

I enjoy the live Fleetwood Mac 2003 shows moreso than the "master reels"...The current crop of live shows seem to be the best sounding of the FM/SN shows to appear yet.

So even though I see both sides of the "master reels" (The Stevie/F.Mac & The Beatles communities have different views on "reels"...What works in one community wont work in the other & vice-versa.) I have basically decided to focus ONLY the live music of Fleetwood Mac/Stevie Nicks!

Brian j.

Johnny Stew · #24 09-16-2003, 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by sarabelladonna1
Its not wrong for the person who owns the reels and takes them to a studio and pays 1000s of bucks to want a little money in return..thats not easy work people ! so why should they pay all this money and then turn around and just give out? Should he/she go poor just to make some one happy? No there doing this to help you have this music but you have to work a little for it to ...Trust me i have been in Trading Stevie music for a long time and I collect as much rare stuff as i can get and if that means paying for it I will ..Like the saying goes if you get hungry enough you'll eat whats on the table..Stop thinking because your a fan your owed this music ,No you dont have the right to have this music for free you do have the right to give a few bucks to keep this music coming.

In all honesty, I don't think I'm owed anything.
I've been a die-hard fan & collector since late 1985/1986, and I probably have a smaller collection than half the people here. But hey, it's not the size that counts.

Everything in that collection means something to me... either because of the music contained, or the generosity of the people who sent it to me.

And I completely understand that someone has to pay to get these masters, and then pay to have them transfered to a digital source. I'd never expect that person to then send them to me for free.
My recent comment was in regards to the folks who get them later, and then try to sell them to other fans. No one should make money off of Stevie's music, other than Stevie herself. That's all I was trying to say.

And my initial comment was in regards to those who say, "oh yeah, I have ______... it's fantastic! I listen to it all the time! But I won't trade it with anyone."

To the "have nots," that feels like you're rubbing it in their faces.

Gypsy-Rhiannon · #25 09-16-2003, 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by Johnny Stew

And my initial comment was in regards to those who say, "oh yeah, I have ______... it's fantastic! I listen to it all the time! But I won't trade it with anyone."

To the "have nots," that feels like you're rubbing it in their faces.

I haven't come across anyone who has done this to me.....

Johnny Stew · #26 09-16-2003, 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon
I haven't come across anyone who has done this to me.....

Luckily most fans are not like that. And, again, I haven't personally run into anyone like that (just two people who turned out to be very unreliable)... but I've been told by some friends about a couple of fans who are like that.
It's "second hand news," of course, but I trust the sources.

Thankfully, so many people in the fan community (including several who post here, and those who run some of my favorite sites) are outstanding folks, and are generous above & beyond the call of duty.

dissention · #27 09-16-2003, 02:52 PM

No one should profit from bootlegs. It's wrong, but I've seen it happen even on these boards. However, it's fans that believe in buying bootlegs that perpetuate that kind of bull****. No true fan would sell bootlegs for profit.

Also, if someone has enough dough and resources at their disposal to buy/receive the master reels at Modern Records, who is to say that they don't have access to a studio that will transfer them for free or a nominal amount of money? We don't know, therefore we cannot comment.

But, if the person who had them transferred traded them to someone, should the trader who received them be able to sell them?! I think not.

sarabelladonna1-

You must not be in on the swing of things if you think there is no "underground Stevie things going on." There certainly is and a lot of fans can attest to the elitism that has cropped up as of late.

estranged4life · #28 09-16-2003, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by Johnny Stew
My recent comment was in regards to the folks who get them later, and then try to sell them to other fans. No one should make money off of Stevie's music, other than Stevie herself. That's all I was trying to say.

...And my initial comment was in regards to those who say, "oh yeah, I have ______... it's fantastic! I listen to it all the time! But I won't trade it with anyone."

I agree with the statement that people shouldnt make money off of something that they received in a trade for nothing more than a cd...

I never have and never will make $$$$ off trading (Even though I have a ton of the Beatles music that can fetch more $$$$ than almost 99% of my Stevie/F.Mac music!!!!), Matter of fact I take a loss on trading but money doesn't mean much to me as much music does...I enjoy music more than ANYTHING!!!!

But I have HAD people pull the ol' "I have something you dont dont have...Nah, Nah, Nah-nah Nah" BS on me...Must've felt bad when I ended up with "that concert" (Paul McCartney-9/24/02 Chicago, IL-ALD Recording, The only "professionally" recorded show from the second leg of the US tour) a couple days later and sent that person an email tellin' 'em to F.O.A.D.!!!!

Brian j.

Gypsy-Rhiannon · #29 09-16-2003, 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by dissention

sarabelladonna1-

You must not be in on the swing of things if you think there is no "underground Stevie things going on." There certainly is and a lot of fans can attest to the elitism that has cropped up as of late.

Who are these fans and what exactly are the attesting to?

Pip

Sally · #30 09-16-2003, 03:20 PM

I'm new to trading (thanks to Brian and his generosity!) and am just building my collection and whatnot...and I think if I had not come across such a large trading network I would have purchased a few things to get myself going. I don't agree with it though, which makes me a bit of hypocrite, but I guess if you want something---you'll get it however you can.

As for these tapes---had I had the cash, I would've bought them, had someone transfer them for me, then returned the tapes to Stevie herself. How I would've done the returning is beyond me, but I would've figured it out somehow.