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[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

But her name really is Stephanie. It's not like his is really Leonard. Their names are not a big deal to me - of course I know guys named Dana, Shannon, Lynn...

When she told Mick not to introduce her as Stephanie, I wonder why that was. I wonder if she was saving that intro in memory of her dad, who always did it that way.

I wonder what kind of look you would get if you just walked up to her and said, "Hey, Steph." I think I will try that if I ever see her on the street.

As for male names, I really favor names like Paris and Cary. If I don't go unisex, then I lean to something unusual like Devlin (again in honor of Cary Grant) or Dashiell.

Michele

[The Catdancer]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I know. Most people read it that way, but not Stevie.

CAH said after she listened to the GI album, "it was obvious to me that Lindsey's fury over the fact that I'd left him had been poured into his music. And the truth behind the music was of little importance."

She goes on to say, "but one thing he didn't seem or want to understand was this: I had a little power of my own. I could decide who I spent the rest of my life with -- and as of that moment, no matter how much i still loved him, I could never forgive or forget this ultimate insult. He'd lost me. Go Insane was the epitaph for our relationship."

Michele

That's not true. I met him in September of 1984 and I didn't know about the break up so I asked him how Carol was. He said they had broken up because she was slightly self destructive and he didn't want to go down that road. He bought her a condo, paid her bills until she could take care of herself. He was sad about it (I'm doing this from memory so bear with me) but he didn't appear to be heart broken. He made it sound like he left her. I haven't read the book, I never will, but he wasn't as desperate as she makes him out to be. I don't believe for a second that he begged her to come back and asked her to marry him.

As for her working on the Little Lies video, that's not true either. I was 'phone buddies' with Judy Wong at the time and she told me all about that shoot, she never mentioned Carol being there. She mentioned other people being there (JC, Wayne Cody, Kim Brakely etc) but no mention of Carol.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by The Catdancer

As for her working on the Little Lies video, that's not true either. I was 'phone buddies' with Judy Wong at the time and she told me all about that shoot, she never mentioned Carol being there. She mentioned other people being there (JC, Wayne Cody, Kim Brakely etc) but no mention of Carol.

I'm not sure which post you're talking about as to the Little Lies video (this is a very lengthy thread ) but I know in the first printing of the book, she didn't have it listed as Little Lies at all and later corrected the mistake. People said it was an easy error. I don't see how. When you get your first job in a new career, you tend to remember what it was. You don't confuse the Save Me video with the Little Lies video. Maybe you do after you've been working 10 years and have a massive portfolio. One job fades into the other and you can't remember the title. But I think for your first jobs, the one you put on your resume and take the most pride in, I think the name sticks in your memory.

Also, Carol wasn't writing all of this from memory. She was using her written and audio diaries, from what she said. So, I just don't see how she got some of these details wrong (like the Rolling Stone cover shoot being shot in Lindsey's home). Some say it's the editor's faux pas and not hers. Well . . . They are small factual details that don't matter, but to me when you can't trust those, then the bigger things that can't be fact-checked start lacking in credibility as well.

Michele

[michelej1]

Also, I would say about Lindsey putting Carol into a house, she says he knows that he had to do that, because if she had sued him she would have gotten a lot more. Yeah, in what galaxy? I would like a list of successful Michelle Triola Marvin palimony suits that she or her lawyer could have used as precedence for milking Lindsey dry. You will recall that Michelle Triola lost and that kind of litigation dropped by the wayside in the years following the case.

Lindsey buys lots of people houses (Cheri and family members). I dont' think he does it because he's afraid they'll sue him.

Michele

[KindOfWoman90]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Also, I would say about Lindsey putting Carol into a house, she says he knows that he had to do that, because if she had sued him she would have gotten a lot more. Yeah, in what galaxy? I would like a list of successful Michelle Triola Marvin palimony suits that she or her lawyer could have used as precedence for milking Lindsey dry. You will recall that Michelle Triola lost and that kind of litigation dropped by the wayside in the years following the case.

Lindsey buys lots of people houses (Cheri and family members). I dont' think he does it because he's afraid they'll sue him.

Michele

Would you recommend reading CAH's book? I go back and forth about this all the time. The thought of buying what's essentially gossip...I find difficult to justify. Just like any "McDonalds" (analogy I steal from Jim Gaffigan ), it's definitely tempting. All these stories seem just so insane, I feel the need to read it for that fact alone! Palimony! Is she crazy.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by KindOfWoman90

Would you recommend reading CAH's book? I go back and forth about this all the time. The thought of buying what's essentially gossip...I find difficult to justify. Just like any "McDonalds" (analogy I steal from Jim Gaffigan ), it's definitely tempting. All these stories seem just so insane, I feel the need to read it for that fact alone! Palimony! Is she crazy.

I would read it, just so you'll know. There's some truth in the pages and coming to your own conclusions about what is believable and what's not is an interesting journey. And since passages from the book continue to crop up in FM discussions, at least you'll have the reference.

Some people write books who have no real ties to the subject, but CAH was definitely there for a long span of time. So, I find her perspective useful. Even when I think she's lying, the things she chooses to lie about are intriguing to me. I mean, the untruths, half truths or shaded descriptions tell a story all their own to me.

Michele

[michelej1]

As for the palimony, what she actually said was that a lawyer told her that she was Lindsey's common law wife. Any lawyer who actually told her this about California should be disbarred. California does not recognize common law marriage (unless the couple came from a state that does recognize it, which Carol and Lindsey didn't). Furthermore, even if partners sign an agreement saying that they acknowledge each other as husband and wife, that agreement will not be honored under California law.

She said she had a prenuptial agreement with him, but since they never married that would be meaningless. She says she ultimately signed papers that "gave me $2000 a month for rent and groceries for a perod of three years -- and signed away my rights to the fortune that I could most likely have had as his common-law wife in the event of a permanent breakup."

What nonsense.

She says, "in the event of a permanent separation I could have taken him to court if I'd wanted a large settlement of cash. And I undoubtedly would have won, according to my attorney. I'd lived for Lindsey night and day for almost eight years -- made homes for him, took care of him, and actively participated in helping to further his career."

Michele

[WildHearted]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I'd lived for Lindsey night and day for almost eight years -- made homes for him, took care of him, and actively participated in helping to further his career."

What is it about Lindsey's ex-girlfriends going on about this stuff?

If the language were a bit less technical and a bit more sentimental, I'd swear that came out of Stevie's mouth.

He must really like to be doted on.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

What is it about Lindsey's ex-girlfriends going on about this stuff?

If the language were a bit less technical and a bit more sentimental, I'd swear that came out of Stevie's mouth.

Well, you know Stevie and CAH (and John Wayne) have the same birthdate. So, it's only natural they'd talk alike. You don't want to know everything The Duke did for Lindsey.

Michele

[KindOfWoman90]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I would read it, just so you'll know. There's some truth in the pages and coming to your own conclusions about what is believable and what's not is an interesting journey. And since passages from the book continue to crop up in FM discussions, at least you'll have the reference.

Some people write books who have no real ties to the subject, but CAH was definitely there for a long span of time. So, I find her perspective useful. Even when I think she's lying, the things she chooses to lie about are intriguing to me. I mean, the untruths, half truths or shaded descriptions tell a story all their own to me.

Michele

Very true. Thanks, I'll have to give it a read at some point.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by KindOfWoman90

Very true. Thanks, I'll have to give it a read at some point.

And Mick's book too. Although, a good chunk of Mick's book is regurgitated magazine articles about FM. But certain things come up in debate quite often, so it's good to have a background.

Michele

[The Catdancer]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I'm not sure which post you're talking about as to the Little Lies video (this is a very lengthy thread ) but I know in the first printing of the book, she didn't have it listed as Little Lies at all and later corrected the mistake. People said it was an easy error. I don't see how. When you get your first job in a new career, you tend to remember what it was. You don't confuse the Save Me video with the Little Lies video. Maybe you do after you've been working 10 years and have a massive portfolio. One job fades into the other and you can't remember the title. But I think for your first jobs, the one you put on your resume and take the most pride in, I think the name sticks in your memory.

Also, Carol wasn't writing all of this from memory. She was using her written and audio diaries, from what she said. So, I just don't see how she got some of these details wrong (like the Rolling Stone cover shoot being shot in Lindsey's home). Some say it's the editor's faux pas and not hers. Well . . . They are small factual details that don't matter, but to me when you can't trust those, then the bigger things that can't be fact-checked start lacking in credibility as well.

Michele

This is a lengthy thread for sure and I really don't want to go back and look for that post But I'm sure I read somewhere that she stated she was working on the Save Me video and later corrected it to be the Little Lies video. I agree with you that you don't make a mistake like that especially since it was her first job in years. Also when you write a book, do the research and re-read what you wrote before you publish it
I'll never read it just as I will never read the book by Ken Caillat. I don't want to read about about "Lindsey choked me" or "Stevie acted like a spoiled brat" etc. That stuff is private and if they want the public to know about they'll talk about it.

[The Catdancer]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Also, I would say about Lindsey putting Carol into a house, she says he knows that he had to do that, because if she had sued him she would have gotten a lot more. Yeah, in what galaxy? I would like a list of successful Michelle Triola Marvin palimony suits that she or her lawyer could have used as precedence for milking Lindsey dry. You will recall that Michelle Triola lost and that kind of litigation dropped by the wayside in the years following the case.

Lindsey buys lots of people houses (Cheri and family members). I dont' think he does it because he's afraid they'll sue him.

Michele

Didn't he buy Richard a house/condo? I seem to recall that he bought him a house, a car, clothes etc.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by The Catdancer

I'll never read it just as I will never read the book by Ken Caillat. I don't want to read about about "Lindsey choked me" or "Stevie acted like a spoiled brat" etc. That stuff is private and if they want the public to know about they'll talk about it.

Well, if someone strangled you and you want to talk about it I think it's your perogative. In my view, it's your story to tell, more than theirs. My thing is, I don't believe some of the stories that have been told.

Michele

[Wynne]

I have a question about this book. I do not have time to go through all of the past pages right now, even though I will, but I am reading this Carol Anne Harris book. I found several things that were oddly a lie. So to make sure I am not crazy can someone confirm a few things for me? First of all she talks about the Grammy incident where Lindsey was stoned and went up the steps and she claims he was all alone and his legs were all rubber band, and the band stood back and watched him and did not help. if I remember correct, I saw this footage and saw the rubber band legs going up the steps but Stevie was right beside him guiding him up. Is this true? Next weird thing I found. The Rolling Stone cover shoot at Lindsey's house. She mentioned nothing about Lindsey and Stevie remaining in bed kissing after the shoot was over. However in another book, someone claims they did. Also I had the pleasure of meeting Stevie and saw the rest of the band at a rehearsal. My Mother's friend Barbara invited my Mom to go to the rehearsal. I got to tag along. I never spoke to anyone except Stevie and a few of her female friends who sat with us for about an hour and I took everything in, even they way she smelled. My Mom and Barbara told me about the dynamics of the group etc and I sort of understood at such a young age, but anyway, at one point I had to use the little girls room, I was told to go down the hall blah blah, well when I turned the corner, there was Stevie up against the wall and Lindsey was kissing her. I had no idea or clue Lindsey was dating this Carol girl. I was young and just happened to be there. Over the years I of course loved FM and Stevie and feel very lucky to have met her and I remember everything she said to me. In Carol's book she made it seem like Lindsey was over Stevie. Well he was not if they were kissing in a hall way during the Tusk rehearsal. Also why does she keep saying "we" like she was part of the band? She claims "The Chain" is "our" anthem?! I should have read this book a long time ago. I found it very strange how she forces the reader to keep thinking she was part of FM and bragging about being in the circle. I have photos with Stevie on this night I met her and will post them when I figure out how to up load them to a specific size I was told. I just want to know about the Grammy incident and the Rolling Stone Cover incident and if anyone else knows of any times where Stevie and Lindsey hooked up after they broke up, because they sure did the night I was there. Thank you for any help with my questions.