Stevie discusses Possible New

[Ulpian]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I've seen promoter, engagement and tour contracts. The billing and band members are clearly defined as are the basis for termination or modification of those definitions. You first establish you have legal title to the name and then you can contract it out for a specified period of time.

I don't need access to their legal files to know that each era of the band has its own corporate entity. Corporate records are recorded with the Secretary of State.

Michele

We have a similar system of registration here with Companies House, which is a government entity. I sometimes think bands hide the figures and key players behind various different shadow companies / entities, but maybe FM companies are just straightforward?

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Ulpian

We have a similar system of registration here with Companies House, which is a government entity. I sometimes think bands hide the figures and key players behind various different shadow companies / entities, but maybe FM companies are just straightforward?

Since 2001 the current line up has had the same active corporation. Michael Fleetwood is listed as president and Lester Knispel is agent for service. Those two pieces of information have to be public. When you do a Dun and Bradstreet, you can get the members of the corporation, for a fee. I don't think that's something they'd want private. But when people buy real property and such, I know they often use straw men so that ownership can't be traced back to them.

Michele

[seekerj]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

^Exactly. If SYW had sold millions I'm sure she'd find it in her heart to love it.

And it's not just her. As I remember, SYW was loved a lot more here on this board when it first came out, and during the SYW tour. It wasn't until Stevie made negative comments about it that I noticed the popularity of the album falling down around here.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Whatever. They recorded an album together. It's basicly outrageous that someone who rarely recorded with this band can do this. Mick John and Lindsey had recorded all basic tracks for SYW without her, She wasn't there during TITN, and she wasn't there for the recording of 8 new potential FM tracks in 2012. She invested 4 days. Basicly talking, not recording, as she tells us. I understand that LB is a Total ass in the studio, but if she wants to have some influence on the output, she has to be there.

When you have an album, you can Give it away with tickets. If you don't have an album, you cannot.

You're totally right!

I guess she gets to hold the cards because of her drawing power as the member with the biggest solo career and highest visibility. Doesn't make it fair, but it probably stacks the odds in her favor when it comes to negotiating the timing for a new FM album.

[Ulpian]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Since 2001 the current line up has had the same active corporation. Michael Fleetwood is listed as president and Lester Knispel is agent for service. Those two pieces of information have to be public. When you do a Dun and Bradstreet, you can get the members of the corporation, for a fee. I don't think that's something they'd want private. But when people buy real property and such, I know they often use straw men so that ownership can't be traced back to them.

Michele

I love finding out stuff like this. So, that 2001 corporation includes Christine too?

[michelej1]

And don't forget about that tour package of Mick's which states that you'll spend one day doing an activity with Mick. One of the 3 activities listed is attending a studio recording session with him.

Now, maybe they had no recording in mind and they just threw that in to entice potential buyers. But it made me wonder if he thought there was a chance he might be recording something in April or May. Would they actually work on recording between concert shows? I can't imagine they'd have the stamina.

On the other hand, Lindsey has said how boring it gets in the hotels and being on the road when they are not on stage. So, maybe they'd be up for something.

Michele

[redbird]

Originally Posted by seekerj

And it's not just her. As I remember, SYW was loved a lot more here on this board when it first came out, and during the SYW tour. It wasn't until Stevie made negative comments about it that I noticed the popularity of the album falling down around here.

Interesting. I only very recently sat down and listened to the whole SYW album all the way through (back to front ) and thought it was a lot better than I feared but not as good as I'd hoped. I never thought it sounded like an album that would sell millions in the 21st century, but it couldn't have come from people who weren't talented. I felt consistently that it was trying too hard to appeal to a newer and younger public. Ironically (or not) I think that after the decade of retro (2000-2010) their classic sound might help them more.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Ulpian

I love finding out stuff like this. So, that 2001 corporation includes Christine too?

Yes it does. They have separate touring and merchandising entities that don't include her. They had both a Fleetwood Mac Touring Corp. and a Fleetwood Mac Merchandising Corp, which dissolved in 1997 and they were replaced by new corporations to handle every tour.

I just think it's curious that, before he was reprimanded, Mick was acting like he could attach Christine to the tour even now -- just months before it begins. So, even though the papers are signed he seemed to think that could be done at the last minute. It made me think that they left themselves an out to add Christine to the tour, even knowing that it was highly unlikely she would ever join.

Michele

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

Stevie's calling the shots. You're not getting an album because she doesn't feel it will sale. It's all her. She is calling the shots. She has songs for her next solo project as I understand it. She recorded more songs with Dave. She wants to get back to that.

No problem. But then: opt out. Don't let three guys record the **** out of them and leave them with no for an answer with a pile of songs where they cannot put the FM brand on. That's unfair.

[Lilyfan]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

Stevie's calling the shots. You're not getting an album because she doesn't feel it will sale. It's all her. She is calling the shots. She has songs for her next solo project as I understand it. She recorded more songs with Dave. She wants to get back to that.

Maybe after all those years when they treated her like her opinion didn't matter because she didn't play an instrument - she's enjoying calling the shots and wants to enjoy it for a little while. I agree, she'd much rather work with Dave Stewart at this point in her life. He gets her. And he makes her happy when they work together.

Kind of makes me curious about his Missionary Man and her random "Missionary" thrown into lyrics that otherwise make no sense.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by redbird

Interesting. I only very recently sat down and listened to the whole SYW album all the way through (back to front ) and thought it was a lot better than I feared but not as good as I'd hoped. I never thought it sounded like an album that would sell millions in the 21st century, but it couldn't have come from people who weren't talented. I felt consistently that it was trying too hard to appeal to a newer and younger public. Ironically (or not) I think that after the decade of retro (2000-2010) their classic sound might help them more.

The thing about it is, to me the content was there to make a great album, if it had been edited differently. By edited I mean not only should some songs have been cut, but some songs that remained should have been shortened(RTTG, for instance) and then it should have been sequenced differently.

The opening tracks almost render the thing Dead on Arrival. But I guess this is a better problem to have: being able to say that the album had too much, rather than it was lacking. For me, I love so many things on it that what I like comprises MORE than a whole album, even discarding the dregs.

Michele

[Ulpian]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Yes it does. They have separate touring and merchandising entities that don't include her. They had both a Fleetwood Mac Touring Corp. and a Fleetwood Mac Merchandising Corp, which dissolved in 1997 and they were replaced by new corporations to handle every tour.

I just think it's curious that, before he was reprimanded, Mick was acting like he could attach Christine to the tour even now -- just months before it begins. So, even though the papers are signed he seemed to think that could be done at the last minute. It made me think that they left themselves an out to add Christine to the tour, even knowing that it was highly unlikely she would ever join.

Michele

I never know with Mick. Sometimes I completely disregard what he says.

I suppose Christine benefits from performance payments on the new tours. Won't she get something for them performing any of her songs, whether co-written or not? Is that payment a fixed fee?

[elle]

Originally Posted by Ulpian

I never know with Mick. Sometimes I completely disregard what he says.

I suppose Christine benefits from performance payments on the new tours. Won't she get something for them performing any of her songs, whether co-written or not? Is that payment a fixed fee?

didn't she sell her catalog?

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by Ulpian

I never know with Mick. Sometimes I completely disregard what he says.

I suppose Christine benefits from performance payments on the new tours. Won't she get something for them performing any of her songs, whether co-written or not? Is that payment a fixed fee?

Yes and then recording rights are separate, so when they do Live In Boston on a dvd and "Don't Stop" is included that's money on top of the money someone gets when their songs are performed live.

We were looking at some BMI stats in the Christine forum awhile ago and it was interesting because BMI doesn't have the publishing rights to the other FM members songs, so we weren't getting data for Dreams or GYOW, only Christine's.

Michele

[MikeInNV]

I'm a little confused by the tone of many of these messages, blaming Stevie for the lack of musical output. If FM has no record label, there is no one to demand her involvement. Lindsey has 8 songs he can do whatever he likes with. They could become his next solo album, or they could become a Stevie-less FM album. Personally, I think if they just told her they were doing an album with or without her, she would cave. In any case, it's easy to say she has all the power, but it's only the power they willingly give her. If the songs never see the light of day just because Stevie isn't on board, it says more about their artisitic integrity than hers.