Stevie's Grammy Submissions

[PenguinHead]

Originally Posted by markolas

Why are some people suggesting that Stevie "go country" or start rapping just so she can get a Grammy award? I'm sorry, but I'd lose a tremendous amount of respect for her if she did that. Her constant shilling for Katy Perry and Rihanna already irritates me.

So if you record a country album, then you get a Grammy? It's that easy?

A lot of Stevie's music has country influences; she wouldn't be selling out if she put out an album that had predominent country leanings. It would essentially be country rock, which is style she already has.

I am equally irritated by her shilling for Katy Perry and Rihanna. Aside from my personal ambivilance about them, I don't see the musical connection between them and Stevie. Is she just glamming on them because they represent the popular youth market?

I would think she'd be referencing more (current) classic rock and roll artists -- but not sure who that would be. At least Lindsey is speaking about respectable new bands -- artists which I can clearly see why they caught his interest.

[Macfanforever]

I've been wondering if they made the announcements for the behind the scenes stuff like producer and other things like that.

[WildHearted]

Originally Posted by PenguinHead

So if you record a country album, then you get a Grammy? It's that easy?

A lot of Stevie's music has country influences; she wouldn't be selling out if she put out an album that had predominent country leanings. It would essentially be country rock, which is style she already has.

I am equally irritated by her shilling for Katy Perry and Rihanna. Aside from my personal ambivilance about them, I don't see the musical connection between them and Stevie. Is she just glamming on them because they represent the popular youth market?

The connection is that they are successful female artists. Stevie basically said it herself in a recent interview.

[HejiraNYC]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

The connection is that they are successful female artists. Stevie basically said it herself in a recent interview.

But the contradiction resides in the fact that Stevie has previously chided Britney Spears (and other female singers) for being too sexualized and wearing too little clothing. Clearly Katy Perry and Rhianna are not exactly keeping their "assets" under wraps, so why is she not being critical of them as well? I dunno... but I do suspect that her people are probably telling her to stop being such a curmudgeon when it comes to talking to the media. One can appreciate music on a strictly musical level, even if you don't necessarily care for their (lack of) clothing or conduct.

[markolas]

Originally Posted by PenguinHead

So if you record a country album, then you get a Grammy? It's that easy?

I never said that.

I am equally irritated by her shilling for Katy Perry and Rihanna. Aside from my personal ambivilance about them, I don't see the musical connection between them and Stevie. Is she just glamming on them because they represent the popular youth market?

No, I suspect that she actually likes them, which is arguably worse than the reason you posited.

[markolas]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

One can appreciate music on a strictly musical level, even if you don't necessarily care for their (lack of) clothing or conduct.

Katy Perry and Rihanna make music? I thought they just showed their beavers and caterwauled vapid lyrics into a machine that created the illusion that they can hold a note.

[wheart]

Originally Posted by markolas

Katy Perry and Rihanna make music? I thought they just showed their beavers and caterwauled vapid lyrics into a machine that created the illusion that they can hold a note.

I like you!!

[WildHearted]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

But the contradiction resides in the fact that Stevie has previously chided Britney Spears (and other female singers) for being too sexualized and wearing too little clothing. Clearly Katy Perry and Rhianna are not exactly keeping their "assets" under wraps, so why is she not being critical of them as well? I dunno... but I do suspect that her people are probably telling her to stop being such a curmudgeon when it comes to talking to the media. One can appreciate music on a strictly musical level, even if you don't necessarily care for their (lack of) clothing or conduct.

Yes, but if I recall correctly (and I might not be), she was saying those things about Britney when Britney was going through all of her problems and stuff, and just like the LiLo situation, Stevie shows some very tough love for people struggling with drugs and various other vices in the public eye. I believe she even said something along the lines of Britney needing to write her own songs instead of showing off her body and whatnot.. I think that is the main difference, because Britney doesn't write her own material in the same sense that Katy could be considered a songwriter (despite her co-writers) .

Now, with that said, I don't understand her love for Rihanna at all because much like Britney (whom I happen to personally love, for nostalgia's sake), Rihanna doesn't write her own material or even sing/perform very well live - but to each their own.

On the other hand, Katy may not be the best or most respectable, but she is at least marginally talented, if you've ever seen any of her acoustic stuff. I can get behind Stevie vouching for Katy.

I don't know. I don't particularly enjoy or go out of my way to listen to pop music despite being in it's target demographic, but this is very obviously something Stevie has always done and the type of music she enjoys. Just because someone likes one pop artist and not the other doesn't make them hypocritical, for instance, I love Britney but hate Gaga... just like I don't have to love The Eagles just because they're contemporaries of Fleetwood Mac... it's just personal preference, which Stevie is entitled to. If Stevie loves Rihanna and Katy Perry, good for her for embracing mainstream music today if it's something she enjoys. It's all subjective. I don't see why it's such a big deal.

[elle]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

Yes, but if I recall correctly (and I might not be), she was saying those things about Britney when Britney was going through all of her problems and stuff, and just like the LiLo situation, Stevie shows some very tough love for people struggling with drugs and various other vices in the public eye.

yes - kick them while they are down and struggling. how exemplary.

and praise people who are already doing well and don't need your support anyway.

although, did anybody notice that Katy Perry received only 1 grammy nomination while having 5 number 1 songs from her latest album? if that's correct, seems like a snub to me...

[WildHearted]

Originally Posted by elle

yes - kick them while they are down and struggling. how exemplary.

and praise people who are already doing well and don't need your support anyway.

although, did anybody notice that Katy Perry received only 1 grammy nomination while having 5 number 1 songs from her latest album? if that's correct, seems like a snub to me...

I thought it was completely ridiculous that Katy didn't get nominated for Best Pop Album or Album of the Year, considering the success her album has had.. and yet, Gaga got nominated for Born This Way which has been kind of a flop in comparison to Katy for sure, and was not nearly as strong as her previous material, imo.

[elle]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

I thought it was completely ridiculous that Katy didn't get nominated for Best Pop Album or Album of the Year, considering the success her album has had.. and yet, Gaga got nominated for Born This Way which has been kind of a flop in comparison to Katy for sure, and was not nearly as strong as her previous material, imo.

my understanding is that Adele had #1 selling album last year, Gaga had #2, with everybody else's album sales far behind. however Katy had the most #1 singles, and she received a nomination for just one of the singles, no album, record, etc

EDIT: Gaga didn't get too many noms either, btw - not sure, but possibly just 2.

[WildHearted]

Originally Posted by elle

my understanding is that Adele had #1 selling album last year, Gaga had #2, with everybody else's album sales far behind. however Katy had the most #1 singles, and she received a nomination for just one of the singles, no album, record, etc

EDIT: Gaga didn't get too many noms either, btw - not sure, but possibly just 2.

Right, but I'm not really talking sales... In terms of quality, Katy's album was consistently better than Gaga's, as evidenced by the plethora of singles she released from it doing so well. Gaga's album sold based on hype and not actual quality, for the most part (like lots of big acts - this is not something specific to her in particular obviously).

[OooMissionary]

Originally Posted by elle

my understanding is that Adele had #1 selling album last year, Gaga had #2, with everybody else's album sales far behind. however Katy had the most #1 singles, and she received a nomination for just one of the singles, no album, record, etc

EDIT: Gaga didn't get too many noms either, btw - not sure, but possibly just 2.

Katy Perry's album doesn't qualify for anything album related, since the album has been out so long, and was nominated last year.

[Macfanforever]

Now I'm wondering why Stevie never got a number 1 hit in her solo works.It's to bad the corrupt industry does not recognize her with her talent.Todays sale of music especially Itunes,Amazon downloads which to me are useless without a physical hardcopy of a cd should not be counted as a unit. It looks like this will be the new trend of buying music and I dont dig it.If the hard drive crashes .goodbye tunes .

[tabruns]

Well Fleetwood Mac only got one #1, so its probably not surprising that Stevie never hit the peak. She came sort of close with "Stop Dragging My Heart Around", in that that song stayed in the top 5 for quite awhile.

Re: Lady Gaga. Actually Born This Way has had four top 10 singles just like The Fame did. "Born This Way" was the only #1 (compared to "Just Dance" and "Poker Face") but was at #1 longer than either of those two songs. If "Marry The Night" goes top 10 it will pass The Fame.

I like all three Lady Gaga releases, though my favorite is actually The Fame Monster. Even though it's technically an EP there were enough songs there that I consider to be essentially a second album.

Re: Katy Perry. Five number 1 singles from an album is quite an accomplishment, no matter what the Grammy noms are.

I think some of us Ledgies who are griping that neither of the above are "real" artists doing "real" music are just showing our age.