Original audio 1986 RED ROCKS. "TALK TO ME", ""Stand Back," "Outside the rain/Dreams"
 

We all know the audio and video footage of the "Red Rocks" video was cleaned up and changed before released. Here's "Talk to me" in it's original form https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5q_ZUbjkx8
"Stand Back" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDZNrSr0sRg
"Outside the rain." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpcHsJ4TwTI
"Dreams." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKdBgtN2cfY
You can hear the original audio is VERY different from what we have been hearing the past 30 or so years when watching "Live at Red Rocks."
Much of the vocals were obviously redone.
Please post your thoughts after listening to these.
I have read so much about this over the years but only found and listened to the REAL audio tonight.
Some of "Outside the rain" and "Dreams" sounds like the audio on the released video. "Stand Back" is dramatically different, although the ending sounds the same.

I know the vocals were redone because of the drugs, but I really don't like how they changed the pitch of Stevie's voice on the video. Her voice was deeper during the Rock a Little tour. So I actually kinda like these raw versions, especially Talk to Me.

I strangely like these too, they're so raw and real.

Didn't she play Red Rocks twice during this tour? The poster says its from 1987 so there is definitely some confusion. I don't think Stevie sounds that great on the Red Rocks video. I hate the video because its so staged and fake....anything but a live performance. I would not be surprised these are the tapes from that concert but I am not convinced either.

When Showtime originally aired the concert, it was 1987.

Also, you can hear some of these vocals match the video. Very few, but a few lines of the vocals weren't dubbed

She performed three times at Red Rocks during the RAL Tour, the first two were the 25th and the 26th of June 1986, while the third was the 20th of August 1986 and "Stevie Nicks Live At Red Rocks” was filmed this last one time, however new close ups for the home video has been filmed in February 1987 before the actual release.

You are correct.

I'm not sure why it's a thing that she dubbed her vocals for the release of the video? :shrug:

No, as I said above it's three times.

You win! :xoxo:

Wow, that's some pretty rough stuff! Still, it gives me hope that maybe we'll get a more complete audio release of the entire concert, including I Can't Wait, for a Rock a Little rerelease!

Yes
Could it be possible this audio is from one of the other Red Rocks RAL tour stops?
The RAL tour was a mixed bag. Some nights good and other nights not good. I did not listen to all of these but from the small parts I heard she sounds better than many other RAL tour stops that I have heard.
The RAL Chicago Rhiannon is so sad and the New York Stand Back sad too :( IMHO. I suppose I need to listen again because I did not think they were that bad.

It actually exists somewhere a bootleg of one of those June dates but I don't think this is it because from what I know that audio hasn't been circulating and these posts have been uploaded on youtube 5 years ago, while it also does exists and was circulating at some point an "unedited/uncut" version of the Red Rocks video concert.
Also as the original poster says and someone here noticed, the first two songs seem to have more of the lines that ended up on the finished product.

So many pet peeves about Red Rocks.
The annoying floating camera and the endless close face shots with Stevie posing to the camera
The annoying different hair style for the "real" concert and the "touched" close parts
The song selections could have been better.
The totally wasted look of Mick and Peter as they step out of the limo with Stevie (oops we did not know we were going to be on camera)

Although she had one of her best edge walks ever that night and her exorcism style yell during Edge :eek:
Stand Back is cool with her "its NOT alright" and her feline cat scratch "Stand Back!" at the end.
Her annoying drunk. sounding "standing in it well you will be standing in it" at the end sounds like she did not know the music ended HAHA

Yes after listening more to Stand Back there are parts that are identical.
The "Its not alright" part and the ending
I think she sounds fine on these recordings
How crazy to think. OMG we just filmed a concert. No one can see you this way. No one can hear you like this.
Just crazy

I agree. They could have used the original vocals. Or at least used most of them. I went to 3 "Rock a Little" concerts in southern California, and she was amazing all 3 nights.
It's just strange now, as I have enjoyed the "Live at Red Rocks" video for close to 31 years, and really had no clue the audio wasn't from the original show. I knew the fake shots were there, but not the audio. I recorded the concert on my Beta Hi-Fi VCR when Showtime originally aired it. Then I purchased it when it was released officially on Beta(I was a die-hard Beta fan because of the superior picture and stereo quality and didn't get a VHS machine until they stopped releasing Beta movies in 1990). Then I bought a VHS copy of the concert. And then I purchased a DVD copy. LOL! I probably watched this concert 200 times over the years. But I never knew the audio was totally dubbed until a couple of years ago when I read about it online. So, it's fascinating to me that this concert I've watched for decades is fake!
And I expected the real audio to be way worse than it actually is after reading how butchered she sounded, according to various sources online.
It's not as bad as I expected it to be.
It's really interesting to read everybody's reactions on this thread.
John

coz she didn't just dub a few bad notes.....it was a LOT.
And the video is very fake....far, far too many studio shots done later because she was such a wasted mess during the taping.

It ends up being like a promo video, not a concert. the shots of her throughout the whole thing are her lip synching to the audio track. there not much 'live' about it.

they have Talk to Me as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5q_ZUbjkx8

OMG at about the 2:00 mark... the "well".........talk about a scalded cat.........holy sh&t

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Because the "concert" is barely from the concert at all.
The fake close-ups, the dubbed audio.
This was a very famous concert.
It hit #1 on Billboard's video charts, first on the Beta/VHS release, and then again when it was released on DVD over a decade later.
Most fans own this concert and have watched it for decades.
It's become a "thing," as you put it, because it's become infamous for not being real at all.
As a fan, I find this very interesting, and it's worthy of discussion.

That "well well" shriek at the 2:00 mark is also on the "Live at Red Rocks" video. That part was not dubbed and shows that this is the original audio as it is used in the video release. One of the few pieces of audio that wasn't dubbed.

Ok, I just found this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mG6-RLoDaI
The person who posted it says it's from the Red Rocks concert in 86.
It isn't from the links I had originally posted on this thread.
What do you all think?
An alternate show from one of the other nights?
It's mixed very professionally.

That's a cool version of I Need To Know. You can hear her vocal so well.

The original links are better quality than any uncut red rocks I've herd before. Stand Back is so different. Man I would love to see the unedited tapes for this. Maybe someday.

Many of the fans state they were paid actors and paid to cheer and clap.

(Ha ha that was my joke for the morning)

I was surprised to know that the Tango concert was also lip synced. You can notice the far away clips are a bit different than the close ups. But my biggest surprise that we discussed year about a year ago was the band lip synced to Don't Stop for the 1993 Bill Clinton inaugural. Christine mentioned this during an interview that I posted. I guess because it was live TV it was a safe thing to do?

Also their 1997-8 performance at the TV show Wetten Dass was lip synched, watch it if you can because it's priceless.
Often in Live TV shows bands have to lyp sync performances because they don't have the space and time to rehearse beforehand or the acoustic isn't appropriate or even in some cases the place isn't "equipped" for some of the instrumentation. For example in my national's third channel show "Che Tempo Che Fa" Madonna and Adele could actually perform because much of their music was handled electronically or they singed with very sparse and simple instrumentation or even acapella but Muse had lip synched.

However returning to the Red Rocks show, I know the unedited/uncut version crculating should be an audience recording and I think this is the case since at some point in the audio you can hear very clearly fans shouting and cheering.

That's interesting about FM lip synching at the Clinton inauguration, as Lindsey's vocals sounded very rough. You'd think they would have used a better vocal.

The mics were definitely on. Now I cant remember exactly what Christine said. They may have sung to the recorded track. I may have gotten it backwards.

Everyone does this.

It's not uncommon for artists to do this especially in the 80's. There were times during that tour where she literally looked on the verge of death. I'm glad she wasn't immortalized that way.

Have you ever been to Red Rocks? Everybody who was there (and I know many) were well on their way to being as high as Stevie. If you could handle the day long wait in the hot sun then it was a great big fun party complete with water balloons or water of any kind to cool off and a smorgasbord of substances to keep you hydrated and engaged. Then they would open the gates and you would run up those crazy stairs to get yourself and your friends the best seats, close, close, close! No one was bored or dissatisfied by any stretch of the imagination. Also there is a soundboard of No Spoken Word from August and she sounds just fine. You can't really use a low quality audience recording for comparison.
I should also note the tickets to the August show were free!

You did see the part where I said that was a joke ?

I was finding humor in the long list of things that were re-created from the original concert. Of course they were die hard fans.

doesn't make it any better.

the fact still remains, it's not an authentic concert video. if you're ok with that, that's great. I find it sad.

Agree that she was a total mess and it's pure luck that we still have her around. That concert could easily have become her obituary.

The Tango video wasn't lip synched, it was a pro-shot filmed tour stop, but parts of vocals were re-recorded in the studio after it was filmed and all of Stevie's close-up's were redone, Red Rocks style. The actual performance was live though.

Both The RAL and the Tango concert videos are pro-shot actual performances with vocals partially re-recorded in the studio and additional re-shot of close-ups, in fact they have the same director.

I would say that any concert video isn't 100% authentic. They always go back and fix things. The Dance was culled from two nights of performances and was also overdubbed. Live in Boston same thing. In fact didn't they go to Switzerland to dub that one? Stevie Live in Chicago same thing. Now the songs from the master reel in Australia at the end of the RAL tour, those songs seems to be untouched. She doesn't sound bad at all, ad libs a lot and definitely forgets the lyrics at times. It's also eerie the way she says that it's her last concert.

Where can I listen to the Aussie RAL master reel?

yes, they do. but not to the extent of the Red Rocks video. they essentially decided that basically none of the concert close up footage of her was usable because she was such a mess. And she rambles at times and messes up and is noticeably out of it for a lot of it.

This is not your standard concert with a little sweetening to make it perfect for posterity.

This is video/audio of a woman sadly and sometimes embarrassingly wasted onstage. The tweaks are blatantly obvious (whereas most times they are fairly discreet). It's just such a blatant papering over of a drug fueled cluster**** .

It's very,very sad. I find it mostly impossible to watch. If you were a fan of hers from the 70s and recall how youthful and vibrant and California hippie girl she was, seeing her so wasted is just sad.

I think you're exaggerating a bit. As I said both the Red Rocks video concert and the Tango one have received the exact same treatment and in the latter Stevie wasn't a mess at all. I think the main reason why these two video concerts are touched up so is because of the main director's personal taste. I don't remember where but I've read that these shows were filmed purposely to look like music videos and not real concerts in true 80s style.

If it were really only because she was too wasted then they would have just not published the video, just like they've done for the Wild Heart one, now that was truly a mess. In the past Stevie has been often "sadly and sometimes embarrassingly wasted onstage" way before RAL. More than once during the Rumours Tour she risked falling off stage because she was too inebriated.

The Largo Wild Heart concert wasn't released because the lighting was too dark. In the Tango concert, Stevie felt she was too overweight

Actually those who talked about Stevie re-shooting scenes for the video concert because she thought she looked too fat were newsstories about Red Rocks.