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chiliD 10-06-2010 04:36 PM

a bit of a confession....Peacekeeper
 
Ok, y'all know I'm dyed in the wool Fleetwood Mac fan from day 1 (or before)...I'm here to confess that I infinitely like Lindsey's own version of "Peacekeeper" more than the version on SYW. It's just slightly faster than the FMac version and seems to have a little more intenseness & power than the Mac-track.

Ya wit me, or ag'in me? :laugh:

Silver Springs 10-06-2010 04:39 PM

I feel bad for it, but I have to agree with you. When Lindsey performs the song off his own bat, it's clearly evident that it was his own personal baby that just ended up being Fleetwood Mac fodder.

chiliD 10-06-2010 04:50 PM

Well, I didn't mean to imply that the SYW version is "fodder", just that Lindsey's own version has a whole lot more "ooomph" to it and sonically is more in line with the lyrical content. The "edges" just seem ground off the FMac version.

Silver Springs 10-06-2010 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiliD (Post 913889)
Well, I didn't mean to imply that the SYW version is "fodder", just that Lindsey's own version has a whole lot more "ooomph" to it and sonically is more in line with the lyrical content. The "edges" just seem ground off the FMac version.

I didn't think you did. That was my own term, because I noticed that alot of Lindsey's work that he meant for solo release has ended up being pumped into the Fleetwood Mac machine. It doesn't sit very well with me, despite how much I adore the band and love the songs that would have been his own. Maybe the lack of edgyness was purposely done to make it integrate more with the rest of the album? Because it does feel a tad watered down to me. It was my gateway album and I still love it, but if you were to place it beside a monster like Rumours, it's sad but SYW would get its butt handed to it on a silver platter with a selection of crudites and dips.

TrueFaith77 10-06-2010 05:01 PM

The SYW version has Stevie and that makes ALL the difference. SYW Peacekeeper is superior.

chiliD 10-06-2010 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueFaith77 (Post 913892)
The SYW version has Stevie and that makes ALL the difference. SYW Peacekeeper is superior.

Spoken like a card-carrying "Chiffonhead". :laugh:

TrueFaith77 10-06-2010 05:17 PM

I'm so not a chiffonhead. But it does make a difference. I find the SYW version more meaningful.

MissLadyLoki 10-06-2010 05:24 PM

I don't believe I'm asking this, but can i hear the original version of Peacekeeper please?

Peestie 10-06-2010 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiliD (Post 913887)
Ok, y'all know I'm dyed in the wool Fleetwood Mac fan from day 1 (or before)...I'm here to confess that I infinitely like Lindsey's own version of "Peacekeeper" more than the version on SYW. It's just slightly faster than the FMac version and seems to have a little more intenseness & power than the Mac-track.

Ya wit me, or ag'in me? :laugh:

I am with you all the way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrueFaith77 (Post 913892)
The SYW version has Stevie and that makes ALL the difference. SYW Peacekeeper is superior.

I agree that it makes all the difference. I just don't agree that it's a good difference... :laugh:

Of all the GOS demos I like them more without the jammed in harmonies by Stevie. (I'm not laying the blame on Stevie though. Lindsey was the producer on most of them and so he had a big say in it.)

bluefox4000 10-06-2010 06:36 PM

I hate the fact Most of SYW is Lindsey wiith Stevie tacked on. Never sat right with me.

Mick

Silver Springs 10-06-2010 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bluefox4000 (Post 913918)
I hate the fact Most of SYW is Lindsey wiith Stevie tacked on. Never sat right with me.

Mick

Probably because alot of the songs are Lindsey's to begin with. I get the feeling that the rest of Fleetwood Mac just tagged along for the ride.

bluefox4000 10-06-2010 06:42 PM

Yea I agree....and for the reason I stated SYW never sounded like a proper Mac album to me IMO.

Mick

Lindsfan 10-06-2010 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MissLadyLoki (Post 913902)
I don't believe I'm asking this, but can i hear the original version of Peacekeeper please?

Here you go Cassie:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/6cf56y...e%20Keeper.mp3

I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Lindsey's solo/demo version. I think it's a lot better than the SYW. Some songs I prefer with Stevie's harmonies added, but this isn't one of them! I love it when he harmonizes with himself, and this just sounds really cool with only male voices ( IMO ).
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Silver Springs 10-06-2010 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lindsfan (Post 913925)
Here you go Cassie:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/6cf56y...e%20Keeper.mp3

I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Lindsey's solo/demo version. I think it's a lot better than the SYW. Some songs I prefer with Stevie's harmonies added, but this isn't one of them! I love it when he harmonizes with himself, and this just sounds really cool with only male voices ( IMO ).
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*clicky and downloady* Fankooo! Was looking for this on YouTube but only came up with fan versions :(

Lindsfan 10-06-2010 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver Springs (Post 913926)
*clicky and downloady* Fankooo! Was looking for this on YouTube but only came up with fan versions :(

My pleasure :nod:

Cammie 10-06-2010 08:26 PM

Lindsey's Peacekeeper...
 
:thumbsup: We agree with you Steve!!! Peacekeeper loses its powerful
nuances and the essence of a male voice to express its message! C.

erwk05 10-07-2010 03:24 AM

PeaceKeeper Preference
 
Just thought I would say Im a Lindsey Convert (used to be a Stevie Fan) but now Im a Die Hard Lindsey fan since 2003.

Had a listen to both versions, the only bit I feel is missing from lindseys version is that little drum roll about 3/4 of the way into the song (which is on the album version)

I think lindseys is more intence and errie sounding but I think the Album version has more depth - as provided by the rest of the band.

I think I prefer the SYW version - but only for micks little drum roll- thats intense :)

DW

michelej1 10-07-2010 11:37 PM

Don't like the song that much, so don't have a preference.

I have always said that I like the solo version of My Little Demon better than the group version But that may not be exactly true. I guess I think The Dance version is fine and fun, but I think the solo version had a different meaning and mood and I would have liked to see that released. At the very least, he should do that version in one of his solo sets.

Michele

David 10-08-2010 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Peestie (Post 913906)
Of all the GOS demos I like them more without the jammed in harmonies by Stevie.

You mean you don't think all those songs benefited from the sound of snot rattling around in Stevie Nicks's gullet?

Peestie 10-09-2010 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 914264)
You mean you don't think all those songs benefited from the sound of snot rattling around in Stevie Nicks's gullet?

I like the sound of the rattling snot but not the harmonies. :p The ultimate versions would remove the harmonies but retain the nasal sounds. :D

MissLadyLoki 10-09-2010 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lindsfan (Post 913925)
Here you go Cassie:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/6cf56y...e%20Keeper.mp3

I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Lindsey's solo/demo version. I think it's a lot better than the SYW. Some songs I prefer with Stevie's harmonies added, but this isn't one of them! I love it when he harmonizes with himself, and this just sounds really cool with only male voices ( IMO ).
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Now i finally got around to downloading it. Anyways, I'm listening to it and I like it more than the album version.

Cammie 10-10-2010 02:34 AM

Lindsey's Lyrics !!!
 
:] Good girl Cassie!!! Peacekeeper was a Lindsey
only... solo tune! The lyrics come alive!!! Tacked
on frivilous female vocalizing ruins the intent!!! C.

MissLadyLoki 10-10-2010 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cammie (Post 914468)
:] Good girl Cassie!!! Peacekeeper was a Lindsey
only... solo tune! The lyrics come alive!!! Tacked
on frivilous female vocalizing ruins the intent!!! C.

Camme, can you check your PMs please?

Anyways, when I heard the original, I felt it was a more, for lack of a better word, manly song and to have female harmonies in it (as good as Stevie is, don't get me wrong, they sound great together) felt a bit odd.

Little Nicki 10-11-2010 09:58 PM

The solo versions also fits better in Lindsey vocal range due to its lower key. He sounds much more relaxed and less strained which I think benefits the song a lot. The harmonies are so much more lush and full too. Overall I think it just became a watered down pop song on Say You Will compared the intensity of the solo version.

Nicks Fan 10-12-2010 09:06 PM

I think both versions are really good but I do think that SYW as a whole was an album of missed opprotuities. Allot of Lindsey's songs should have been on solo albums because they didn't work as FM cuts. Murrow, Miranda, Come were songs that I felt were too experimental even for FM. I think the album would have done better if they had started from the ground up. Lindsey contributed some good songs but if you compare the other FM albums where he took some songs intended for solo releases and gave them over to Fleetwood Mac I think you will find much stronger material overall compared to what ended up on SYW.

louielouie2000 10-12-2010 09:16 PM

The funny thing is, I'm a dyed in the wool chiffonhead, but I actually think Stevie's presence on the Say You Will version of Peacekeeper ruins the atmosphere of the song. Her voice is just reedy and nasally sounding, and totally pierces the vibe. It's just annoying to listen to. The original Gift Of Screws version seems more harmonious.

michelej1 10-13-2010 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicks Fan (Post 914811)
I think both versions are really good but I do think that SYW as a whole was an album of missed opprotuities. Allot of Lindsey's songs should have been on solo albums because they didn't work as FM cuts. Murrow, Miranda, Come were songs that I felt were too experimental even for FM.

I know what you mean with Murrow and Come, but I always thought that Miranda was just right for FM and, actually, I think it fit Fleetwood Mac more than it fit Lindsey solo. Miranda reminded me of Stevie, in the same way that Say You Will reminded me of Christine. Christine reminded me of Lindsey on Ricky, but he co-wrote that song, so that doesn't really count.

Michele

GypsySorcerer 10-13-2010 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by louielouie2000 (Post 914814)
The funny thing is, I'm a dyed in the wool chiffonhead, but I actually think Stevie's presence on the Say You Will version of Peacekeeper ruins the atmosphere of the song. Her voice is just reedy and nasally sounding, and totally pierces the vibe. It's just annoying to listen to. The original Gift Of Screws version seems more harmonious.

Preach it. The GOS version is so much better. Lyrically, I think it's one of Lindsey's very best. I just wish Stevie wasn't on the SYW track.

louielouie2000 10-13-2010 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer (Post 914881)
Preach it. The GOS version is so much better. Lyrically, I think it's one of Lindsey's very best. I just wish Stevie wasn't on the SYW track.

Agreed. I think the GOS Peacekeeper was a neat modern day protest song (even though Lindsey insists it's a relationship song), but Stevie's soaring folksy harmony parts make it into a cheesy mach '60s throwback-style protest song. I'm normally a big fan of the Buckingham/Nicks harmonies... but it's just a buzzkill here.


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