New Album not til Spring 2011
 

Got this from Nickslive...

STEVIE NICKS NEW CD.... "NOT TILL SPRING"
According to a Twitter exchange today between: Paul Rickard & Dave Stewart


paulsnyder90: @DaveStewart when are we getting new Stevie music!?!
DaveStewart: @paulsnyder90 not till spring


Not surprising, and makes sense given the fact that Stevie likes to tour around the release of albums.

Just like I've predicted the past 6 months. I still think it's highly probable it'll get delayed, too. Ms Nicks is not exactly known to be punctual.

Although I know the release dates of Stevie's albums are typically postponed, it is unfortunate that someone in her management does not think it would be a good idea to capitalize on the positive buzz about the new album and the general goodwill that the "Not A Tour" has generated so far. The reviews have been better than any I've ever seen for her shows. Even if she doesn't want to tour until after the first of the year, the album needs to be released sooner, rather than later. Apparently, the initial recording sessions went very quickly. There is no reason to delay the album for 6 or 7 months (or more). :shrug:

I guess mixing the final tracks takes a while, plus I guess packaging it must take time too. Maybe it takes a while to find artists to create the sleave, photographers, and pick out the paper stock and fonts, and schedule it with a printer etc.

but I do agree, she should keep up the momentum! Unless there is some FM recording that she scheduled herself for in the fall? And that's why she's hoping for a spring release.

Maybe it isn't Stevie at all, maybe Dave Stewart wants the spring release. Maybe he'll tour with her, playing guitar. Maybe Annie Lennox and Siobahn Fahey will show up on tour too? :D

Indeed. I'm guessing the album drop date is in the Spring so she can hit "the sheds" (amphitheaters) during the late Spring/Summer months. Stevie tours almost exclusively in those outdoor venues (unlike Fleetwood Mac, which mainly does indoor venues these days).

She released both Soundstage and Crystal Visions in March, so I would love to believe that her new album will come out in March too! however, as you guys have pointed out, she likes to tour closer to the summer, and our Stevie has a warped view of time. My guess is that it will come out late May or June, or hell maybe even July. That way they can market the **** out of the whole "Ten years since her last solo album!". However, it will also be the 30th anniversary of Bella Donna and Stevie's solo career. I think it'd be awesome if they not only released the new album and the documentary, but remastered BD and threw on some old demos or dvd footage (Hello, remaster BD with a disc of demos and a DVD of the HBO special with all the songs performed that night! Chiffon heads would cream their pants for days!). It could be marketing gold if they could get Stevie's name out there and then hit everyone with new **** while the Stevie wave was going on. I guess we shall see. I won't hold my breath.

And to think some people were adamant it would be out in June of this year!

Roll on next spring!

I was really hoping for late 2010, but if Spring 2011 means a big promotional push marking the 30th Anniversary of her solo career, then I'm all for it.

Well Dave is mixing his album right now, and he said the single for his album will be out in January, and the album will be out in March, so apparently, that's how long it takes. And some artists release a single 3-4 months before the album release date, so unfortunately, we all have to be a little more patient. But spring will be here soon enough!

If you are a "Stevie - Shwag" junkie, like me...then this Spring release date gives you PLENTY of time to save your money for the T-shirts, tour books, posters, the front row tickets, the travel expenses, etc...and of course 3 or 4 copies of the album.

I think it's safe to say that, as before, the album will leak and/or stream way in advance of the official release date. If they are talking spring, I expect to start hearing tracks in late winter. I simply do not have the stamina to resist the urge to listen to anything I can get my grubby paws on.

If true, it's vaguely disappointing, but whenever the cd comes, it comes.
I don't believe Dave is always totally honest- he said lead vocals had yet to be done, after David Wild had raved about the tracks, and within 2 weeks Stevie said 14 songs were completed.
It seems that Dave decided or had been told to 'play down' how far along they were with the project; his information turned out to be far from complete. Stevie filled us in on that when she was ready to, and will likely tell us, when she's ready, when to expect the new cd. And I bet the information won't be the same as Dave's.
I'm still hoping for October. Photo session is done, album is recorded, it's said to be good. Too much time tweaking and mixing can (and has) sucked vitality out of good Stevie material on past albums. Stop tinkering and release it.
'Spring' will cancel any Azoff plans for Fleetwood Mac touring in 2011, though 2012 always seemed more likely to me.

Why wait til she turns 63?
Rush release something for a change! It's time.

No one REALLY knows what's completed. All 14 tracks might be completed "musically", but maybe without lead or background vocals...and maybe 2 weeks was all it took for Stevie to record her vocals. Who knows?

BTW, Nikolaj, you said the photo session is done? Who said this and when did we get this information?

Regardless if it comes out this Fall, Winter or next year sometimes, as long as it's a great, solid record, I'll be a happy camper. We've all waited YEARS in the past. 9 years since the last solo record, what's a few more months?

Some photographer mentioned on her Myspace that she was doing a photoshoot of Stevie in April. And, there are several professional pics of her and Dave, so I am assuming they have done some sort of photoshoot. But I think TISL was fully completed and ready to hit the stores in Sept 2000, but they held it until May 2001. So it just seems like typical Stevie. I'm really bummed tho. With all the talk about it being dark and deeply personal and there being "blood" on the tracks and lots of ghosts and vampires, I was hoping she would release it in Oct and evoke all her witchy haunting Stevieness for the halloween season.

No one should be the least bit surprised that the album is slated for a spring release, that should have been expected all along. One reason being that Stevie doesn't like touring in the winter. "Rock A Little" was released in November, but the tour didn't start until the following March (by then two singles had already been released). Stevie said then she wanted to wait to release the album until it was closer to the tour, but the label wanted it out in time for Christmas. These days a Stevie album isn't going to make a huge dent in holiday sales, so they can wait.
Keep in mind all of her previous albums have had the dates changed numerous times before coming out, with some getting scrapped altogether (The live Melbourne album, the Best Of album, the Rumours boxed set). Also just because she says certain songs will on the album, doesn't mean they will be. A press release for "The Wild Heart" listed songs (including "Violet & Blue") that would be on the album and they weren't. Finally there is the whole "Street Angel" mess (which also had an entirely different list of songs press released), a promo CD, "The Best Of The Hits So Far" was issued in early '93 promoting "Street Angel, to be released in March (of '93)" The end of the blurb on the CD says "And how does Stevie feel about getting the new album out? Just listen to track 5" Track five by the was "I Can't Wait".

Yep! Here's betting Spring means June 2011.

Bearing in mind that from everything we've read the album has not even been completely recorded yet, this release date moakes perfect sense. There was no way it was ever going to be in June this year! Of course it may get delayed though.

Didn't SN say in the printed interview that the album was done? 14 songs completed, but I doubt all 14 will be on the cd, she didn't say they all would be, or would not be.
I believe it was her 2nd interview before starting 'Not A Tour', a Ledgie posted it and it was also on the NicksLive Blogspot. "Just about finished" in respect to the entire album is what I think she said, which I take to mean the lead vocals are completed.
As for all this talk about touring exactly or right about as the album drops- Stevie may have done it that way, but others, one specifically -I'll get slammed if I mention who- released an album in October, and her tour began in May of the next year. OK, it was Cher and 'Believe' with a US release in the autumn of 1998. The 1999 tour benefitted by the cd having been released in the fall, it had legs, she planned the tour and did 6 or so songs from the cd and it kept the cd selling, performing the songs live. Four Grammy nominations, and one Grammy win. Granted, it was 11 years ago. The business changes greatly in far shorter a period of time than 11 years. But it was smart, smart marketing, and had the cd just dropped when the tour started, people wouldn't have wanted to hear the new songs (The Power, Strong Enough, BellAmore, All or Nothing, the title cut and one or two others all got received well, along with the former hits.) People had a few months to have heard the new material before the tour started, and no-one was bugged by 'new material' and off for the t-shirt stands.
Stevie toured right as or not long after 'Shangri La' dropped, as did Mac with 'Say You Will', and it didn't help either cd regain their 'bullet' and rise again in Billboard Both cds continued to drop on the charts as they toured to good crowds, but the people hadn't had any time to 'want' to hear the new songs. The 'Believe' album, in the US, built and built, and by the time her tour started, the cd still climbed (to #4 I think in the US) with freakish sales of 12 million+ worldwide for the cd single, internationally.
Stevie releasing the cd in the spring, and then touring in the spring, gives the general public no time to feel they have 'rediscovered' her- Look at Cyndi Lauper- a month or so ago, she had a blues cd with good to great reviews, it debuted in the Top 30 (nice) but then it completely fell off the Billboard charts after only 3 weeks, and people weren't thrilled with the blues numbers live. So, the cd and tour seem a failure. There was no advance planning for the tour to support the album. And I think Stevie with TISL and Mac with SYW had similar problems, their sales were far better than Lauper. But both Stevie and Mac peaked first week on the charts and dropped, by touring right when the cd was brand new.
I think if Stevie's cd drops in October (as I am pretty sure it will)- it will have a chance at a song clicking before holiday season, and then it will sell well through the holidays and into the new year, and that's how you get a hit tour, with a hit album. I mean a really big tour.
In contrast, if I can- when Cher's next cd dropped 3 or so year later, Living Proof, she toured right after or as the cd shipped. The cd came in at #9 the first week, then dropped quickly and she did very little songs from the new cd on the tour and dropped 2 of the 3 new songs- they didn't take off, and the cd dropped quickly each week on the charts (as did 'Say You Will' and TISL). 'The (um) 'Farewell Tour' did continued huge business- Warners quickly put out a ' Very Best Of Cher ' cd which went top 10 and stayed on the charts for many, many months as the Farewell Tour extended and extended. It was a smart damage control, because after Believe, Living Proof was comparatively a flop.' Very Best of Cher' sold millions. Yet, we can't have yet another Stevie hits cd so soon, to fall back on, so they need to get the cd out months ahead of the tour starting. In mah opinion.
So, for those wishing Stevie success and wanting a new and varied set list, hope that the cd is released months before the tour begins, or Stevie may have anxiety about doing the new songs. I'm sure some may find "flaws in this reasoning'' but the truth is, 'TISL' and 'SYW' sales were not impressive, at all, by touring just as the cds were released.
So, get the new Stevie cd out in October, and figure on a spring tour. To Stevie's reasoning, it could give some time for fans to connect with songs they hope to hear live after playing the cd for a couple/few months and help her have confidence that people have heard the cd and picked favorites they hope to hear. Then, for the first time in decades, she might have a cd that can rise back up on the charts, once the tour begins, rather than seeing it dip every week and never climbing higher than it had in the first week of release. That's her pattern and it needs to be broken.

Spring? In Stevie time, that translates to summer 2012. Ready for the End of The World Tour? :P

If this were 1982 the above statement would be true, but since it's 2010 it won't happen. Regardless of when Stevie's album comes out it will get maybe a month of chart action and then fall off. The reason being the songs won't get played on Top 40 radio. As such the album won't have legs. A tour for an album that came out six months previous is not going to help sell it. Six months on the Billboard charts today is a lifetime. (In contrast Fleetwood Mac's "Fleetwood Mac" was on the Billboard chart for almost a full year before it found it's way to #1, today if an album doesn't crack the top 5 in it's first week, it's a flop).
Another reason why the album won't be out in October is for it to come out then there would have to be a huge promotional campaign going for it, far as I know there isn't even a title for it yet. Take for example Heart's upcoming "Red Velvet Car" the CD comes out on the 31st, they have been promoting this for months, they are currently doing five songs from it on their tour, they are being interviewed in magazines and are generally out there promoting it. Watch to see how well that does on the charts to see what Stevie will be facing.
When Stevie's album does come out, it was sell well during it's first week and like most other "classic rock" artists it will drop off quickly afterwards.

Agreed 100% with this. In the past few years Stevie has been really, really terrible at promotion - or at least her "people" have. Then again, she could push things more... Interesting point about the forthcoming Heart release - this is exactly right!

But AGAIN, THIS is where Stevies PERSONA could really help her, the ladys of Heart (as wonderfull as they are) do not have any persona, we dont know their "style". Stevie STILL has Mystisism associations witch would be PERFECT For a Halloween release "songs about ghosts and vampires" and a WITCHY music video would be MAGIC in october. as someone who works in a halloween store EVERY season, it becomes frustrating that with ALL THE FREEKING BILLIONS OF SONGS THERE ARE FOR CHRISTMASS, all we REALLY have to play for Halloween is "thriller" and "monster mash" and things that are catered to the halloween mystic type ALWAYS sell.

Well, if we keep seeing pictures like this one
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every other week, I'm not gonna be bitching.

[QUOTE=skuncles;905831]If this were 1982 the above statement would be true, but since it's 2010 it won't happen. Regardless of when Stevie's album comes out it will get maybe a month of chart action and then fall off. The reason being the songs won't get played on Top 40 radio. As such the album won't have legs. A tour for an album that came out six months previous is not going to help sell it. Six months on the Billboard charts today is a lifetime. (In contrast Fleetwood Mac's "Fleetwood Mac" was on the Billboard chart for almost a full year before it found it's way to #1, today if an album doesn't crack the top 5 in it's first week, it's a flop).
Another reason why the album won't be out in October is for it to come out then there would have to be a huge promotional campaign going for it, far as I know there isn't even a title for it yet. Take for example Heart's upcoming "Red Velvet Car" the CD comes out on the 31st, they have been promoting this for months, they are currently doing five songs from it on their tour, they are being interviewed in magazines and are generally out there promoting it. Watch to see how well that does on the charts to see what Stevie will be facing.
When Stevie's album does come out, it was sell well during it's first week and like most other "classic rock" artists it will drop off quickly afterwards.[/QUOTE]

EDIT EDIT EDIT. I was too unpleasant in what I wrote below. I've apologized to skuncles. Don't know if he'll see it in time, so I'm doing it here, too.
Ugh. Again, with your vast command of the obvious, I see your points, but again, your reference of "1982" was patronizing and distorted. Dude, seriously. I was trying to present what might work to prevent the first week highest chart position, never to recover, and it is possible in 2010 and 2011.
1999 was not 28 years ago. Eleven years is damned ancient-enough history, but it showed how someone with no chance, initially, in The States, overcame the odds. A cd called 'Stevie Nicks' or 'Italian Summer' or whatever does not need months of advance notice to inform the public, who could forget after months both the title and the
new cd. Even if in September there was a press release that Stevie's first all-new cd in nearly a decade was being released on October 12, titled _______ -that would be plenty of time. Even now. Ad space would be available without 'several' months notice, also.
Stevie does not have to accept that she'll peak first week with the cd, then see her chart position dip each week after, never to rise again. I wasn't using '1982' standards in what I wrote, I used '1999' which is far long ago enough. I don't know how 1982 is the same thing as 1999, which I felt bad enough referencing, but it was to compare what worked commercially for a singer similarly-aged as SN in late '98 into '99 to the less successful 2001 release of Stevie's TISL, and the 'Say You Will' release in 2003.
I was saying there's a way for an album to 'build' and yes, it is tricky. Most new cds by 'older' acts peak first week. True. I hope the new Heart cd sells well. They deserve it. But if Stevie follows the same pattern of 'spring release, spring tour' it will be like TISL and SYW, again, and I'd like more for her, and don't accept that it's impossible.
I seriously wish you'd block me or just ignore me as some choose to; I can and have accepted opposing views with grace, have had my mind changed, -or not. Your way of twisting something I wrote has now happened more than once or twice. I don't deserve that. Don't agree, fine. But don't twist.
You twist. I see you have points. But you distort original content to present your points..
I don't know how Heart singing new five songs for months before the cd was available had or has anything to do with Stevie waiting a few months for her new music to sink in with the public and then doing her tour and having people want to hear the new songs and keep the cd alive.
Stevie can have vast crowds next year if the new cd has been out a couple/few months before the tour begins and there's excitement over the new music. Were the new cd to succeed with the public, then via media recognition and television exposure, she could let it be known how glad she is the album is so well-liked and how she can't wait to tour in the spring to sing more of the new songs. Ca-ching for the coming tour. Doing the tv circuit with a knockout song (not an 'Every Day' -as with TISL on several talk shows*) could launch the cd this autumn and winter, and she'd get the holiday season sales.

All of this would promote the cd and the coming tour. It won't be "no-one knows these songs" when she performs them, they will be looked forward to, and the tour could actually help the cd keep selling and re-bullet, when she knocks out a second killer new song, the album could rally as the tour and 2nd great song tell the gp 'wow, she hasn't had such good music out in ages' . That can still happen in 2010 and 2011. Easily? No.
I'm aware of the long odds, but if the music is as good as the advance word, SN can have a cd that reaches its potential and be a hotter ticker than usual for her next tour, in this age of Justin Bieber.

*Quite some time before Stevie hit Rosie and Letterman to sell TISL by performing 'Every Day', she had the smarts to debut 'Fall From Grace' before the cd was out. Later, she followed some bad advice, and should've trusted her own judgement- her FFG on the Blockbuster Awards was very good and an exciting preview of the coming cd.
A month or so later, she looked miserably unhappy singing 'Every Day' on Letterman, especially. Pretty video, but the wrong song and it showed on her face that she knew it.

I was just re-reading your first post, and was all set to defend you and your reasoning and points (wich i still agree with most of) ANDS THEN you started to attack "Everyday":lol: I lOVE that song. and most people i play it for do to. it has nice sentiment. a bit contrived maybe, but people want that sometimes. And along with singing new songs in concert always seemed relitivly well recieved in concert. I love hearing boots, where when she pauses for "it cures the silence" and the crowd collectivley cheers.

Hey, Phoenix. I didn't mean to attack 'Every Day'-- I don't dislike it, and the video is very pretty. I just felt it wasn't a song that said 'rush out and buy the new cd' in a way that other material on the album was.
So, I backslide a little, and give in (See, I can!)-- 'Every Day' is a pretty song. The strongest on the cd? Well, opinions are an entitlement, if you think so, that's well and fine.
Thanks for the nice reply.

She said she had finished recording, which hardly indicates that anything is done as of yet. But she did state that the album will contain 14 tracks, including 9 co-written with Dave.

Stevie did the same thing too! Rock a Little came out in the autumn of 1985 and the tour did not start until the late spring/summer of 1986 (while she presumably went through her first stint in rehab). The result? Nothing, really. If anything one could argue that the timing was unfortunate because Rock a Little failed to crack the Billboard Top 10 and sold less than The Wild Heart.

Much could be written about the miraculous rebirth of Cher's singing career. But you really can't compare Cher with Stevie at all. Unlike Stevie, Cher is not a songwriter and she has the "luxury" of picking and choosing the hot tracks, hot songwriters and hot producers. She is also a bit of a chameleon stylistically, so she could have pretty much recorded anything. Since mid-tempo rock power ballads were no longer selling her records, she/they opted to go totally with the sound of the moment: Eurodisco! You combine that with her sensationalized tabloid reputation and international notoriety, along with some key television exposure, and bingo- you've got a big hit on your hands. Cher really could have sat on her hands for the next year while they released single after single from that album; the album sold itself. The songs were light, fluffy, danceable, catchy... in other words, perfect for radio. Her tour behind that album was really all about keeping the Cher brand afloat and making tons of moolah.

Stevie, on the other hand, refuses to be anybody other than Stevie. She hasn't penned a hit song in 20 years. Dave Stewart hasn't penned a hit song in 20 years either. She is not a musical chameleon, and she does not appear on stage in a sheer body stocking with strategically placed rhinestones along with sinewy half-naked dancers. She is not tabloid fodder and most people under the age of 30 think "Stevie Nicks" must be a dude. Admittedly Stevie has done a **** job in terms of managing her brand and image- her website is a joke, she has almost no interaction with her fans and she keeps herself out of the magazines. Yes, it helps to keep up the mystery and allure for some fans, but to the world at large, if a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears it...

...which proves the point that Cher really did not have to tour since the CDs sold by themselves.


Cyndi hasn't had a hit album or tour in over a decade. Why would that all change with a blues cover album?

Also, considering that Cyndi's fanbase is largely comprised of pop music fans who first heard Cyndi via "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun," I think expecting them to totally dig her new Memphis blues covers is asking a lot. If Stevie suddenly decided to hit the road singing Broadway tunes, although many fans would be thrilled (such as myself), I suspect that a large chunk of the fanbase would balk and bail. So the bottom line is that Cyndi took a big gamble and it backfired somewhat. And it doesn't help matters that, despite her primetime TV exposure and still impressive talent, she comes across as being old and out-of-touch.

That is the chart life of basically any "veteran" artist over the age of 50 these days. You could basically say the same thing about Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Barbra Streisand, James Taylor, Neil Diamond, etc. I do expect Stevie to debut in the Top 10, but I also expect her album to disappear from the charts within two months, barring some kind of extraordinary incident, e.g., scandal, health issue, movie tie-in, etc. Touring is not really an issue for this segment. Why? Back in the olden days, when a tour really meant something, artists hit the road with the purpose of maximizing the exposure for their albums. They hit many cities, played the largest possible venues and charged very modest ticket prices. This way, people who have heard of the artist and are curious about checking them out, can do so without making a major financial decision. This allows the artist to try out their new material and to build a fanbase. Anyone over the age of 50 is no longer trying to recruit new fans- they are basically playing to their core audience and trying to milk it for all it's worth. They are certainly entitled to that! But they shouldn't be deluded into believing that this is actually promoting a new album to a new audience.

A couple of things about this. Firstly, it was not a good album and it seemed to be hastily assembled and produced. Secondly, for whatever reason, the album was out for months in Europe before it was finally released in the U.S. I specifically remember buying this as a Christmas gift for someone, but I had to buy the import version since it hadn't been released Stateside. Still, a Top 10 showing is pretty good by Cher standards if you are of the belief that Believe was a total fluke and should not be used as a gauge for future achievements. Quite simply, lighning didn't strike twice for Cher.

Excellent, informed points, Hejira. It was fun to read. And Cher is no Stevie, artistically, of course. The only 2 comments I can make is that the '99 tour did make her a ton of $, as you said, but it also sold the 'Believe' cd, I wasn't referring to the single, which had been #1 in about 15 countries before it (slowly) climbed in the US. Vh-1 wouldn't even air the video for the first 2 months, they instead were airing a Joe Peschi (!) novelty single in quite heavy rotation, and wouldn't play Cher, until...they came around. It took a lot of work.
That cd was up and down and back up, then seemingly,had peaked at around #10 was dropping again, then rebounded to #4 as the tour went on. It sure made Warner Brothers happy. I bet it made more $ for Cher, too, than any musical project, ever. I meant that the tour sold the album, not the single. And I believe it's correct. The album was her biggest ever in the US.
Her tabloid image I think worked against her musical career for a long time, which made the success of the cd and tour all the more shocking, really. She was a 'celebrity' for celebrity's sake, whether she had a recent hit or not. To come back at 52 and 53 and have the Number One selling single in the history of the label was crazy stuff. Also the top selling song of the year. At age 53.
There was one other point, but I forget now. I enjoyed what you wrote, not that you would or should care. But I did, anyway.
Edit: Your Lauper comments were insightful, she's worked hard but just can't seem to revitalize her recording career.
Hejira wrote : I do expect Stevie to debut in the Top 10, but I also expect her album to disappear from the charts within two months, barring some kind of extraordinary incident, e.g., scandal, health issue, movie tie-in, etc
Okay, see, that is what always happens, with the plethora of artists you mentioned. But there's a way around it, and it's hard, but navigatable, as Cher's handlers found. Like when 'Living Proof' US version by Cher died so quickly, WB put out a redundant but new 'Very Best of Cher' package because the tour was huge and that 'Very Best Of' package sold way more than the Living Proof cd and thus became the hit album to go along with the hit tour- and 'Very Best' charted for many months with weeks in the Top 10 in Billboard and selling beyond platinum (1.4 million US units, quickly). Damage control at it's best, and 2 top 10 cds for her in one year.
I just think Stevie could have a killer song they have to lead off with, to sell the album, and it will find an audience and give her the hit she hasn't had in 20 years, I just think she has it in her, and if the song is that strong, I believe it will give the cd legs.
Hopeful? Maybe. Unrealistic? Maybe. Possible? Yes.
Even more hopeful : Then, a 2nd can't miss song, Hejira, I just think she has it in her. If that happens, the cd bullets again, with the tour going strong riding a 'comeback craze' like we haven't seen for a long time. What can I say... I've bought the advance hype of Dave Wild, Stevie and Dave S.
Or you and all the others can be right. I just think it can be done, because Stevie has more musical artistic respect than Cher, and I don't think that Stevie's had a major 'comeback' since 'The Dance' and I really think it's her turn. I think she should be able to go platinum.
And yes, it'll be something of a miracle if I'm correct.

:shocked: . . . .


I totally agree. I think it's actually predictable, after all, an album is really just a "product"; along with that product, as always, are complex legal matters that need to be worked through. It also needs to be literally manufactured, physically; and details such as distribution and marketing need to be worked out. And who's going to do the cover art, and how much money does THAT person want, and how much time do they need to make it? More negotiations. Who's going to do the Post-Production Engineering? Chris Lord-Alge? How much does THAT person want? Is that person currently available?
We can't put the "blame" on Stevie for things 100% beyond her control; especially since we've seen this many times before.
Be patient, folks, these things take time. :D

APOLOGY. Sorry, Scunkles.
 

I think I was too unpleasant to you, Sir, in my reply to what you took the time writing to reply to me.
Of course, you can write whatever you want to, and I didn't have to get all ballistic over it. This is a fan community, not a battlefield.
I won't do it again, I apologize.
Write more, Scunkles!

If Pat Benatar says that "Love is a Battlefield," and The Ledge is not a battlefield, then does that mean that a fan community is not love? It's one of the great mysteries of life. I think maybe I'm going to have to consult a professional logician about this. . . . :woohoo:

Agreed. Patience is a virtue...and as excited as Stevie, Dave Stewart, and others are about this record, I think we're in for a great album!

Also, let us not forget that after the album is mixed and mastered, it has to go to the marketing people at Reprise. Those guys listen to the album for about a month or so before even making decisions on singles, promotions, release dates, etc.

The Spring time frame isn't all that surprising. As much as I was rooting for this fall/winter, I will be happy whenever we get it.

I'd like to uhm . . . err . . . mention that I just took the time to read the thread in more detail, and only then realized that people weren't being anywhere near as "harsh" towards Stevie as I had thought they were at first blush. So uhm - err - I'm going to go hide now. I admitedly jumped the gun a bit. :p :sorry:

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I am not twisting ANYTHING, as you said I am simply pointing out the obvious. But obviously you didn't get why I mentioned 1982. So at the risk of overstating the obvious yet again, in 1982 Stevie was on top of the world musically. If she had released an album in October she would have been all over MTV and other outlets talking about the album, by the time the album came out in March the desire for it would have been at a fever pitch. I have no idea how old you are, but if you were around at the time, you'll recall this type of hype. The idea you presented for this album would have been perfect had it been 1982. What worked then will not work now. That's why I mentioned 1982.
All I'm doing is throwing out some reality. You can say the album will be out in October and the tour will be huge and she'll have huge hits and basically a renewed career. But don't be surprised when it doesn't happen.
As for bringing up Heart, I mention them because many Stevie fans are also Heart fans. They have been out promoting their upcoming album, and from what I've heard of it it's one of their best. But it will still probably debut high and then drop sharply. This is WITH heavy promotion that's been going on for at least the past four months. So far outside of the Stevie online fan world, no one even knows Stevie is working on anything. You can bet that many people going to see her this month don't even know she's working on anything.
Finally I wouldn't block or ignore you, why should I? I'm just presenting the facts, good or bad, or as you say "the obvious". I don't see how I've twisted anything you or anyone else has said. Sometimes though the obvious isn't so obvious to some.

OK, Skuncles, I had it coming, you're right.
I'd hoped you see in time, but figured you might not but I sure tried :)
I've issued you three apologies before you saw them. One is in your Private Messages, the second is about four posts below my original snippy reply with a 'Sorry Skuncles' title above the message, and the third was an edit I wrote at the top of my original reply, which 25 minutes ago I added an 'edit edit edit' in bold at the top and apologized to you. So, that was 3 apologies.
Here's 4.
I'm sorry. Enjoy The Ledge, as you should. Write whatever you want. As you should :)
(-as nobody, certainly not me, needs to tell you).

I just saw the apologies and as I said privately, no need to apologize for anything.

The biggest problem with your optimism is it overlooks some very unavoidable and unfortunate truths. Top 40 stations just aren't going to push new songs by a woman in her 60s. It just isn't going to happen. It's ageism, sexism, and it's terrible... but it's true. At the same time, DJs/radio stations have to push what their demographic wants, and what's best for their own bottom line. Marketing a 60 something year old woman to an audience who is primarily in their teens, 20s, and very early 30s just won't fly. With every passing year, Stevie's niche audience gets smaller too, especially those who are willing to buy new material from her. It's been so long since she was truly famous, and had true pull/power in the industry too. Like HejiraNYC pointed out, most of the record buying public these days has no idea who Stevie is, and upon hearing the name, would probably assume it was a man's.

Like HejiraNYC also pointed out, Stevie is no Madonna or Cher either: she isn't a musical chameleon, she doesn't follow trends, she doesn't record dancy/youthful albums, she just stays true to her style. And style changes on a whim.

Above all the rest of that, Stevie doesn't have a record company who aggressively markets her either. I think Trouble In Shangri La and Say You Will could have been SO much bigger had Reprise set up bigger advertising campaigns. Reprise just doesn't do much of anything for Stevie or the Mac: they don't do TV or radio commericals, they don't do print ads in periodicals (except for Very Best Of packages), they don't chose smart singles AT ALL... then they don't push them either. I think Stevie had SO much potential with TISL that was simply flushed because Reprise relegated her to a third-tier has-been act. Granted, they made 2 extremely beautiful videos for TISL (which they didn't even bother with for SYW), but the videos weren't for strong singles at ALL. Planets should have been Stevie's TISL single, and Destiny Rules should have been the single for SYW. As unfortunate as it is, I don't expect Stevie's new album to even go Gold... and I doubt it'll even crack the top 10. I guess time will tell, and I dearly hope I'm proven wrong with all this.

Louie, there isn't one thing you wrote just above that isn't true.
One possibility-- what about rock stations? Madonna and Cher never have had rock radio play, Stevie has.
If a really good new Stevie song becomes a big enough rock song, then, my thought was that it could cross over to other formats, not necessarily Top 40, that'd be toughest. But a great song could and should get her new airplay on the classic rock stations which still do play her, though they sure didn't help with airplay for TISL or SYW. The majority of their playlists seems 70s and 80s, but I hear new material, a bit. What if it were a lot?-- for a great new song I'm droning on that I feel we will get from her.
Adult contemporary would play almost anything by Stevie, still, and there is more than one 'AC' chart in Billboard now, reading that magazine is almost like reading a map now, it's changed so.
But, obviously, your observations were all valid.
My gut tells me if it 'rocks' like it's said to, it will find a larger audience than anything she's done since the 80s. But yes, the 62 thing will be an obstacle at Top 40. What if she comes up with an 'Edge of 17'-ish rocker but only better (!) that gets the classic rock stations crazy, she could cross over somewhere, no?

That problem is not exclusive to Stevie or to Fleetwood Mac.

I buy a lot of most recent releases from classic rock acts, so I feel pretty comfortable in saying that record companies often pick weak singles from new releases and then don't push them.

When Heart released Jupiter's Darling back in 2004, the two singles were "The Perfect Goodbye" and "The Oldest Story In The World," neither of which were knock you out songs in my opinion. The song that should have been their single was "Make Me", which can grab the listener better than either of the two singles.

Back when Lynyrd Skynyrd put out Vicious Cycle, their single was "Red, White & Blue," which sounds languid. "The Way" would have been a much stronger choice, and it would have sent a much more powerful message. Plus, the song kicks ass.

Bob Seger's Face The Promise had as its single "Wait For Me," which was a blah choice. The title track, "Real Mean Bottle" with Kid Rock and even "Wreck This Heart" would have been stronger choices if anyone was serious about screaming "Bob's back and still rockin'!"

Taking Stevie's Trouble in Shangri-la example, "Fall From Grace" should have been the single. A former roommate who was heavily into music and wanting to get into the industry was telling me I should call A&R people and tell them to push that as a single and have the Blockbuster Awards rendition with Sheryl Crow as the video. And he's NOT a dyed in the wool Stevie fan by any stretch.

As far as Say You Will goes, I agree that "Destiny Rules" should have been the single. I'd have also followed it up with "Everybody Finds Out" from Stevie and "Miranda" from Lindsey.

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I loved all the info from DestinyRules, and agreed with the cds I had that she mentioned. (If I'm wrong and you're a guy, there I go again being wrong!)
Is it that rock stations are ageist, too? Why not pick the most rocking tracks, maybe because they're hoping to cross over to 'mainstream' and don't want to rock too hard? Seger's 'Face The Promise' deserved some play. Ann can still rock harder than most singers. It's so weird.

I just read that Heart is covering 'Gimme Shelter' this tour. Now that intrigues me, and I think I have to leave Stevie-land and go search to at least hear it, if not see it. Like one of my all-time favorite songs, and now Ann Wilson is daring at this stage in her career to tackle it. Tell me she's great on it, DestinyRules, if you've heard it. For now, I'm gonna go surf for it.
Edit- Found it. Ann sounds good, but are those new guitarists? They play like quaaludes felt. Err, not that my teen self ever came across a quaalude or two. Much. Okay, twice in 1981. Then, they seemed to disappear. Oh well. Better off.
...Even It Up' sounded like a dirge: 'Slowin It Down'!