Ebay lameness, or normal??
 

Okay, so I really, really want this. I got a record player a few months back.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

But besides that, my point is - this thing started out at 25 dollars, why do people keep bidding way before the time runs out? It just drives the price way up. :confused: If they'd started bidding just a bit before time ran out, someone could have gotten these at reasonable prices. Heck, when I last looked last night, it was still at 53 dollars. Now it's almost 100 dollars.
Is there something I'm missing? I mean, a reason to bid on things way before hand even though you know you'll drive the price way up? Do people with more money do it to take away the possibility that people will be able to outbid them? I guess sometimes it wouldn't make a difference, the price would go up high anyway - but I've also seen people just start bidding at the last, and the price stayed lower.
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I've never really been able to figure E-Bay out in that way. It makes no sense sometimes, I agree.

There could be several factors at play here.

Ebay Ignoramouses....people who don't know that bidding high early pretty much shoots down any chance of a reasonably priced deal in the end.

Maybe it is someone who is willing to pay more and doesn't mind driving the price up...

overall though I just hate what Ebay has become - I miss the old days.

I have no idea what it used to be. I just started looking at things. If I can figure out that bidding early drives the price up, surely others can. Maybe I'm just bitter because I want those records. :p

The mint condition looks great on that item. But why do you want it? Are you a vinyl completist? The sound quality on the demos is horrible on all three albums--this was compiled well before the current trend of better-sounding demos.

If you're a vinyl completist, you might also want the original vinyl bootlegs of:

1. Almanac (1979)
2. Cotton Bowl Dallas (1978)
3. Sin City Las Vegas (1977)
4. City of the Angels Las Vegas (1977)

& others I'm forgetting, including all the radio syndicate & radio station DJ vinyl copies of radio specials (like Westwood One & Robert W. Morgan) that have aired since the 1970s. I used to have a bunch of those because in those days it was the only way to hear some really old interviews that you missed on radio.

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I want those because I want to be able to play them on my record player in my front room, not just my computer in the other room, because I like the covers, and because I want more records. Also, I've never seen them before. They appear to be fairly rare.
You're acting like it's strange to want those. :laugh:

I'm not sure bidding early pushes the price up. Sometimes if you put your top bid in early, everyone else just won't bother and there are no more bids. You just never know how the bidding will go.

The thing to do is to bid the maximum you're happy with paying and if you get it, you get it. I don't think it makes much difference if you bid early or late. If there's someone else out there who wants to pay more, he'll pay more regardless of when you bid.

Ebay is pretty weird like that - I've seen identical items go for a huge range of prices, for no apparent reason. For months I was looking for a copy of Jeremy Spencer's first album - the one with the rest of the Mac on it - and I saw copies go for anywhere between $50-100, dozens of times. Then I picked one up for about $25 because nobody else seemed to want it :shrug: I sell a lot of stuff too, and people's bidding never ever ceases to amaze me...

This Stevie thing looks quite rare - I think maybe it was always going to be expensive ;)

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That may not be true, there's always the last minute snipe, but I guess what you said makes sense.

Like I said, I'm bitter. :D

Well, hopefully it will come around again for you.:nod:

Bitterness is character-building, hence the immense stature of my own character :woohoo:

It'll reappear soon enough - you'll get it next time :)

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that's what I'm afraid of, that all three will never come around again. That's probably stupid. I looked around online for other possible sellers, and one place had one of the albums only. Also, that one album was $62.

Have any others of you seen this for sale? How often? :wavey: *you frequent ebayers*.

Anyone see Griffin on D-List? She offered a weekend at her house that was won for $73,000! Everyone backed out with excuses, and she received $0!

Ya know...
 

sometimes those sellers on eBay will have multiple accounts for the only reason to drive up the prices of their auctions, thus making a profit...Illegal? Yeah. Immoral? Yeah...But it does happen.

As for me, I tend to look mainly at the auctions that are under the "Buy it Now" banner...Found many a great & rare disc that way.

As for the LP's in question, I have cd's sourced from those vinyls and they have a sound comparible to that of long fingernails on chalkboard (They just sold for $98.88-tsk, tsk, tsk)

I have two accounts, but I don't get involved with bidding on my own auctions, or shill bidding as it's called. What is actually more common and less easy to prove, is to get your friends or family to bid on your auction to push the price up. Illegal? No. Immoral - of course :shrug:

I was wondering about that, and I thought "that is so obvious that surely ebay would have strict structures in place to prevent that!"

So, no?! :mad:

I have those songs on CD, too - some sound good. Like Blue Water. I forget which others. I just want to be able to play them on my record player, which is in another room from my computer. I just want them. Wait, what are hose vinyls?

You ever seen those records before on ebay, Brian J. ?

I have had experiences with both of these practices. It does indeed transpire so, as with any ebay bidding, there are risks involved. If I truly want something, I usually follow-up as Amber mentioned (awaiting the final hours.) I do not place a flag on the item as the seller is notifed of said flags and I do not want them knowing I am considering a purchase. And, obviously, I never purchase from someone without a heavy track record.

Sure...
 

have, Seen 'em several times and each time they have gone for roughly around $100

The rarest thing Fleetwood Mac related I have ever bid on (And won for $4.50) was an officially released audio cassette of the Buckingham/Nicks album on Polydor records (With a different track listing than the vinyl-Not to mention "Races Are Run" doesnt fade out, The band just quits playing in a "dead stop".)

Yeah, I never get into the shill bidding...I have only had 2 auctions up for bid since 2003 (Both were comic book lots that sold this past weekend) so I rarely sell as much as I purchase.

By clicking on the "watch this item" link.

Whew! You've put my mind at ease. I've only been looking at ebay for a few months, and that was the first time I'd seen it.

Kick ass! I saw a cassette for sale the other day, but I don't know if it was like yours.

Trackie - that is because we are smarter than everyone else. :laugh: JK.

Well hell - I've been on Ebay since 1998 and I have always wondered about the same thing - but never realized there wasn't anything in place to prevent that - guess I"m too trusting, and I don't think I've ever been taken in an auction...

But it'd be so easy to up bids on your own (or your friends) auctions - I guess it's naive of me to think people wouldn't do that :distress:

There's a copy...
 

of the 3 LP set over on gemm.com (Listed under "Unfounded Rumours"-Why is beyond me, Never knew it under a different title/moniker.) that is selling for $99

http://www.gemm.com/item/NICKS-c-STE.../GML485118755/

Unfounded Rumours (Uncirculated Rumours) / Special 3LP Box set - Super rare, Only 300 Made! 24 Rare remixes & Unreleased songs - LP'S Are Red Blue & Yellow

Here's another auction that recently ended, Surprised this LP didnt go for more $$$:

eBay: STEVIE NICKS More Uncirculated Rumours RARE OUTTAKES LP (item 4889486776 end time Jun-07-06 18:37:43 PDT)

http://cgi.ebay.com/STEVIE-NICKS-Mor...QQcmdZViewItem

Weird, I looked on Gemm last night and only found one of the records. :shrug: I checked the whole alphabetical list, too - so it seems like I should have seen it even if it was mislabeled.
But of course, this is officially one of your "skills". :nod:
Thank you! I still can't buy it, but at least someday if I can, I'll know it's out there.

Oh, if anyone needs...
 

a copy of the Buckingham/Nicks cassette, There is one up for auction on eBay at this time (Which provides the altered tracklisting in the item's summary)

eBay: Buckingham Nicks [Stevie Nicks Fleetwood Mac] Cassette (item 100500652298 end time Jun-17-06 11:10:53 PDT)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Buckingham-Nicks...QQcmdZViewItem

The seller just gets a note of the number of watchers on each of his/her items - he/she can't tell who's watching.

I have all three of these and they are NOT worth it.

I bought my copies back in the late 80's out of Goldmine magazine.

I also have "Hollywood" on vinyl and it is also not worth it. Although, I like Stevie's caterwauling on "Green Manalishi". *** ducks ***

Really? I like those same songs on the CD's I have. :confused: They must, for some reason, sound much more crappy than on my CDs. I'd be happy to take them off your hands. :laugh: :p

Aw Goldmine, in the pre-internet days, it was always fun digging through some of the sellers tiny print to find goodies. I got mine in the 80's also and I think I paid around $60-$75 for the set. Hard to remember. They also came in normal black vinyl as well as colored vinyl.

The fun ones to look for in the vinyl arena:

Aussie B/N with alternate cover
Pic Disc Belladonna
Pic Disc Wild Heart

These three gave me the most trouble tracking them down. The Aussie ones show up periodically, (Hard to find before the net) - the picture discs are the most rare and hardest to find - IMO. :shocked:

And yes, by waiting till the last minute you get the best price on stuff. Why? Just the way it is. I think it is because many auctions are missed, unless you search daily, and by not drawing attention to the fact you are interested, you can jumpin at the last 10 secs and get a better price. Cuts down on bidding wars. If someone else sees you are interested, they can drive the price up. If they don't see you coming, they don't have time to do so. I rarely bid until the last sec. And many do the same things. (HI Jill )

Finally, an expert confirms what I suspected. And in the process shows that many, many, many people are morons. :laugh:

Yes Morons. But you play the game to get the stuff at the best price. If some guy bids $5 on a Stevie thing you want and you are willing to bid $50. Here what will happen. (Assuming you both really want it- and he will go $60) You bid early - $50. It goes to $6.00. He will keep bidding until he goes $52.50 which is above your budget. OR You wait until the last 10 seconds. You bid $50.00. It goes to $6. He trys to jump back in (And will 99% of the time go to $20.- not his max). If he makes it, you win at $7, if he runs out of time, you win at $6. Now, which is more moronic? Losing it at $52.50? or winning the item you really want at $7 :shrug:

Yeah, I know. That's what I was saying. :shrug: It seems pretty obvious to me. :confused:

But they keep bidding early anyway.... *sigh* Also check local used record stores in your area. (that are left). Should be able to get the basic lp's and a few promos cheap. I am envious, because there should be some Fritz items floating around where you are. Flyers and things.

There is about fifty used stores here. Also, I was at Ashby flea market on Sunday, and there is an album guy there. I got two Cars records for $2 each. I don't want to collect things, I want to have records to play. I mean, I can't really buy anything anyways. If I see Fritz items I'll let you know. Although i don't see how I would. :laugh:

Amber, eBay bidding snafus aside, if you can't find the original pressing of the Uncirculated Rumours set, don't waste your money.

I had the 80s repressing (all 3 LPs on red vinyl which I think is what seeker is talking about), and the sound was truly horrible. Brian's nails-on-a-chalkboard description doesn't even begin to describe it. Also, the covers were washed-out (color-wise) like they had been sitting in a sunny window for a few years.

Here's the story I heard about them - keep in mind this is Stevie lore ( :D ):

The original pressings of the UR set were made directly from Stevie's tapes (the ones that were stolen? I've never heard for sure). They sold like hotcakes. I *believe* they were all on black vinyl. Then in the mid-to-late '80s, someone else resissued them, using the original pressing as the source. A bootlegger bootlegging a bootlegger ... :laugh: . But they didn't use any kind of technology to do so -- the reissued LPs sound like they played the original pressing on a turntable with a dirty needle, and set up a tape recorder in front of the speakers. All kinds of weird noises on top of Stevie's already low-tech demos. Not pretty. They also used a similar technique for the covers - just photographing the originals or some kind of weird photocopy technique - but think of a color copier or printer with low toner. Not pretty.

As for the stuff someone listed at wynnco, that looks like yet another pressing to me. I would think they did it themselves, given that wynnco created those box sets of the first 3 albums too.

I have the original pressings. They are on Black Vinyl with Uncirculated Rumours - Blue/white Label, More UR - green/white Label- LUR - orange/white Label. (Will post pics when I get scanner fixed) :nod:

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Ooohhh. Hmmm. But then, who has those originals, and is the only way to tell because they have black vinyl? And, do those sound passable? Why do my CD's sound better?
But did you see the covers? They're so pretty! :p

Also, I haven't seen a major ledge fight in at least a week!

Yeah, the original covers are pretty - the colors are very bright and deep. The ebay link you sent (which I suspect is the reissue set) doesn't show the backs, and they're nice too. Lots of rare photographs.

You Have too! (Wanna fight!) :xoxo:

One of the links Brian J. gave showed the backs (I think) - they are pretty.

Seeker - yeah, lets fight.

Okay, most dangerous cookie known to man - Pecan Sandies.

If you disagree, we can fight about that. I rarely buy cookies, but I just did, b/c I was in the store and they were on sale. I thought "Wow, those are soooo good, and I haven't had them in ever so long! (like, years)"
Now I'm doing my impression of a vacuum, I think I consumed three of them in less than one minute. :mad: :laugh:

Ta Da! I knew I had seen pics of the backs somewhere:

http://p070.ezboard.com/fbuckinghamn...icID=737.topic

Oh, and:

PECAN SANDIES SUCK

I hate to be a pest, but any chance you might rip the audio from your cassette? At least for "Races Are Run"? I'd love to hear that mix.