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Is it just me?
Given all this hub-bub over a potential "private Stevie party/concert" in the Nicks forum, I begin to wonder:
Am I the only one here who simply would never go to such an event? Regardless of whether or not it's Stevie Nicks or the pope or Jimi Hendrix back from the dead, or whether I got to hand-pick the setlist, or whether I got to shake her hand or have her sign my ass... I just don't think I would ever even want to go to this kind of event, particularly at such a cost ($350 is the price being quoted for this particular Stevie party idea). Is there anybody else who's just kind of scratching their head in amazement at this? |
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The days of spending over $100 for any concert event has ended for this boy, Once the chances of a full blown Pink Floyd reunion were killed there went the chance to spend $$$ for a show. Will I see Fleetwood Mac/Stevie Nicks/whoever related to FM solo-wise in person in the future? Maybe, Depends if any Ledgies attend and if I could find a decent ticket for about $65 maximum price...Otherwise I would probably "mail it in" and wait for the bootlegs (ala Stevie Nicks Dallas 2005 show) So as I said, you're not the only one. |
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$65-75 is about my Fleetwood Mac cut-off, too. Fortunately, I got to attend the Milwaukee Summerfest show on the Say You Will tour, and a lawn seat for that was quite cheap, well under $50, if I remember. Of course, the lawn was packed and I was way out in the back, but I don't especially care about watching Lindsey and Stevie's choreographed hugs and such, so it worked out rather nicely. |
tsk tsk Jyqm, such a cynic :rolleyes:
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But nowadays with our family medical costs (After receiving my MRI results yesterday it will get much worse before it gets better) I cannot afford to see any shows out of state as I did in the past, nor can I afford any tickets over my $65 price limit. I attend most shows by myself, There has only been 4 concerts where both Deb & myslef have attended: Keith Urban Sept.2001 ($7 ticket-We sat front row), Paul McCartney Oct.2002, Tim McGraw 2003 (Free tickets) & Keith Urban March 10,2005. Deb was more into those shows than me excluding the McCartney show since I am the Beatles freak in this family (She's a country gal). Hell, Been to so many concerts in my life that the live in concert stigma has won off to me. Only band I would like to see now is Pink Floyd, but realistically that wont be happening anytime soon...However I would still like to see Nevermore, In Flames & Evergrey on May 25 in Tulsa (Cain's Ballroom-The best concert venue is the USofA. I mean they have EVERYONE from every style of music playing there nowadays), But with this cyst in my brain, If I were to hardcore headbang I could rupture it and hemorrage, So I will sadly pass on that show (Which sucks cause I dig Nevermore!!!) |
If I were rich, or even middle class (:laugh: ) I'd go to all kinds of stupid sh*t. No, that's not true. But I would go to this thing. I mean, if I don't care about the money, why not go? If I didn't have to think about money at all, it would be just another random lark with my favorite singer, another excuse to spend mounds of my theoretical cash on something frivolous and adventuresome.
However, at my current rate of earnage, I would "never" go. But there are other things I would "never" do. For instance, amassing collections of DVD's. I'm not going to watch them again, and I don't understand why people do. With a few exceptions, of course - there are a few movies I've watched more than once. |
I would if it were say...
Liza Minnelli Mariah Carey Amy Grant Faith Hill Liz Phair But for Stevie.. eh.. |
Had it been Stevie Nicks say 1981-1983, I'd go and I'd pay $1,000. As it is now, no way. I also find it rude that people expect to create her set list. It's fun to dream I guess, but damn, Stevie is gonna sing whatever she wants. Besides I have had enough Stevie encounters that do not make this very exciting, not to mention my disdain for Las Vegas.
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Sometimes it's just for a feeling. Certain films can lift my sprirts, make me think about things. I also re-read books, I listen to CD's repeatedly. Same differences really. |
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My mind don't boggle at the $350 cost either -- oh my god, considering what I spent on tours like the tusk & mirage tours as well as the wild heart & rock a little. I kept my broker in champagne & caviar in those days. |
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I'm not sure I like the idea that she's for hire either, like a wedding band or a party clown... |
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That said, while I doubt I'll ever own tons of movies on DVD, it sure is nice to have friends who do... Quote:
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(I agree with you, though, if I were Stevie, I wouldn't go anywhere near this kind of thing. Actually, I think I'd feel kind of ashamed to do it.) |
I don't understand the big diff of who books her for a concert. :confused: Either way she's getting paid, and either way she's singing for people. It's still just a concert, I don't really get the thing of being a party clown, or whatever. I mean, we already know that if you have enough money to book her, she'll play a concert. And isn't that how it always is? At least in this case she'll be playing for uber fans. A professional arena booker has to fulfill the same requirements to book Stevie as a regular person does, I would think.
Also, people always complain about her setlist, of course they will do the same here, and wish for more variety. If someone actually thinks they can control her setlist, that's another story, but no harm in talking about her mixing it up. It's not like Stevie has to do what anyone says. Commodification? Well, people pay to hear her sing, so she is a commodity. At least her singing is. That's mainly what I care about. |
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Also, as far as this thing goes, with the number of tickets being offered, it is like a regular concert. There is no meet and greet. I just don't have that snobbishness of where people play, or whatever. Stevie likes to sing, she likes to get paid for it - singing is her job. |
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In a corporate gig, the power roles are reversed. The corporation says, "Hey, we'll pay you this much money, come do what we want," and the artist says, "Okay." It's just a question of how much control you have over your art and how you're "distributing" it. Quote:
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I just assumed with the whole corporate gig thing, that Stevie, or other artists, would still have the freedom to say they didn't want to do it. Also, even when Stevie played that party, she didn't have to do what they wanted, specifically with her setlist, did she? Or on the SYW tour? :shrug: Am I wrong? So in that way the corporate/private gig doesn't have control over the artist. I worked for this smallish bar/restaurant who has live music every night, their downstairs is a "club" area. But we had a booking agent, and acts would send him...demos, I guess, or finished CD's or whatever, and then he would decide and try to book them. Quote:
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Nah - as much as I love Stevie I'd never pay that much money to go to something like that. There are several reasons. It seems that (and I'm not talking about the majority of the people here ;) ) that a lot of the crazies come out....
And there are a lot of crazies...in fact my first thought upon seeing the private party thing was, "oh that poor woman...does she know what she's getting herself into?" And I wouldn't want to meet Stevie for a split second while there are bunches of other crazed fans around. Plus I have this ideal of who/what Stevie is in my head. It's almost guaranteed not to be accurate as it's put together on what she portrays in public -and well, I don't want that image/ideal messed with. AND with my luck I'd catch her on the ****tiest day of her life and she'd be a complete bear and I'd be crushed. I've already been front-row-hand-shake-snubbed by Stevie twice...I don't need to be snubbed after paying upwards of 300 bucks :o |
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Yeah I can't do it, I'm travelling too much this year, just bought a condo a few months ago, saw Stevie in Vegas last year, know I'll be seeing a couple FM 2007 shows AND I'm still holding out for a solo Lindsey tour. If it wasn't for all that, I'd SO be there.:laugh:
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But as far playing corporate gigs and such, I'll say that I think an artist is as good and as respectable as the ways that they choose to showcase their art. I have more respect for a musician who doesn't play corporate events, because it shows that they have more respect for their art as art, as opposed to commerce, and for themselves as an artist, as opposed to a commodity. And of course art and commerce are always intertwined in this world, but it's a spectrum, and some people keep their art more beholden to commerce than others. |
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I'm sure that, to her, a gig is a gig, and as long as people are enjoying the show it doesn't matter if they're diehard fans or businessmen. |
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Stewie, General Zod, that sounds familiar....what movie is that from? wasnt it a futuristic kind of movie? (GAD! experiencing brain farts!) I seem to recall the movie trailer showing a spiked metal ball traveling along in mid-air without any help onward toward an unknown destination.....sorry thats all I recall, but I could be WAAAAY off here)
Edit: I AM way off, I just did a search and Zod is from Superman. Ok. but now I want to know what movie it was that had that damn spiked ball zooming thru the air toward a distant target...??? |
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That's what's weird about it. The mystique of Stevie, the allure of Stevie are deflated when a bunch of fans can just throw down some cash & make her appear in person. :eek: It's weird, man .... it's weird .... |
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She's like pizza. Except she won't be delivered to your door in 20 minutes, and the best you can count on is side door delivery. That is, if you have the proper performance space in your house. |
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Jyqm
I see your points. I think I have a different take on what you call commodification. I think of it in a less negative connotation in regards to Stevie. I think of it more literally - her voice is a commodity, meaning it is how she makes her money, and the same for all artists.
I see your point about how artists can choose who to work for and that some artists choose who they play for in ways that meet your particular standards, perhaps ways that you perceive to have more integrity. I get that. I don't like to see people I like playing fairs, and like that. But I rarely think the worse of the artist to the degree that you seem to. I try to find out the circumstances of why they are doing that, and I usually see the point - they need the money. With artists that seem to have enough money, my judgment of them "cheapening" their work does get more stringent. Then there is the other factor: I think Stevie loves to sing, has Stevie ever stopped working? Not really. and copy here what Johnny Stew said in his post. And I think the fact that Stevie likes to work, combined with a mid size fan only event (who wouldn't want to play in front of a bunch of people who are very passionate about their work? In fact, it is everything a performer does want. Am I wrong? ) combined with meeting her contractual fee, which is hardly venue slumming level, or creative freedom constricting - It's a recipe for the OPPOSITE OF A DISASTER! :laugh: My biggest boo hoo hoo is would that she would grab hold of her opportunity for creative freedom. If she ever had the biggest, fattest, juiciest, hanging change up pitch right up the middle to hit out of the fricking park, this is it. and that, my friends - THAT - would make or break an on the fence financial decision for me (theoretically). But I'd definitely urge everyone who could to buy the initial ticket if they can - then you can just decide later if it will be worth the airfair and accomodations. It's very simple, really. :woohoo: And who knows, maybe the lady will swing at this one. :cool: |
I would...if the stipulation was that she couldn't sing any song that she's already sung in the past...all new material or new covers she's not sung in public. Now THAT would make it a "special" show.
But, kudos to those who apparently have "made it happen". |
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I agree, and with the seating arrangements I get the image of a certain WHO concert from a few years back. :shocked: |
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How many people responded immediately to the suggestion of this party with, "Will there be a meet & greet?!?!?!" Quote:
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I know I always use Bruce Springsteen as an example against Stevie/Fleetwood Mac, but, well: Look at Springsteen this year. He's on the road with friggin' jug band, touring behind an album of old folk and gospel songs. Why? Because he can! Because he feels like it! Why not! He can do whatever he wants, he's still got enough loyal fans who will hop along for the ride, and he's still got millions of dollars. And so does Stevie. If Springsteen can fill sheds doing grade school sing-a-longs of "Old Dan Tucker" and "Jacob's Ladder," I'm pretty Stevie could pack 'em playing "Bella Donna" or "Storms" or whatever else. Personally, I think if Stevie uses the opportunity of this fan party to play a bunch of great songs that she'll never do again at a "real" concert, I'll be pretty turned off, maybe even disgusted. To me, that says: "Sorry, dedicated fans who have been supporting my career for decades. I know that I tour all the time at kinda-sorta reasonable prices, and I know that you go to all of those shows hoping I'll throw out some surprises for you, but tough ****. You wanna hear the good stuff, you gotta pony up the big bucks, and we'll go into this little back room where the rest of the world won't hear, and it'll be just for you, extra special. $350 extra special." And I know, most of you don't care, Stevie's demographic is one that isn't really turned off by the subtext of such things, you've got the money, if she won't deliver the goods at a normal concert, why not just buy her for an evening and pull the strings yourselves with your wallets. And that's fine, really, if this event comes off, and Stevie comes and plays a bunch of obscure chestnuts, I sincerely hope you all have a really wonderful time and really enjoy yourselves. But I think that kinda sucks. I think that kinda sucks a lot. |
don't think they'll (7 wonders) pull it off, & i wouldn't go~ 350.00 for them to determine where i sit...i don't think so, this girl wrks hard for her money & tho i am not above spending, matter of fact i love spending it... hell you can't take it w/ ya~ but because of where this all derived from ( & i don't mean the ledge, i LUV you guys), count me out~
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As far as the "meet and greet" thing - I guess people did say that, but she does that at the AHI thing. Perhaps some people do think of her that way, and so I would see your point with that. Although I think they love her the same just for her music and performances, I guess it's just that natural thing of wanting to meet someone who means so much to you. Would I like a meet and greet with Stevie? Sure, but I don't really think of it because it seems impossible. I love Stevie's voice, I love to hear her sing. I've also had a lot of fun meeting other fans. I couldn't say whether an idea for a party springs only from the desire to hear Stevie sing or not - Brian went forward with it knowing there would be no meet and greet. :shrug: People bought tickets knowing there would be no meet and greet. I'm a little leery of thinking I totally know other people's motivations. I'm glad you don't respect Stevie less, but sometimes it really sounds like you do, honestly. But if you say you don't, I guess I have to take your word. Yes, I have seen some of the fans. :laugh: Wherever I've been, most actually seem pretty normal. And then there are a few "others".:shocked: :laugh: Also, Stevie does live extravagently, and perhaps supports a few more people? That's why I said "seems" to be wealthy. I hope she's got a buttload of money, but sometimes people who spend so extravagently have to keep it coming in. So although we think Stevie has oodles of cash to spare, that may not actually be the case. I'm just saying it's a possibility. Remember how Catherine Denueve is all bankrupt and has to do commercials and stuff? |
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I hope he does play Austin City Limits, if he extends the tour into the latter half of the summer. This is music that really ought to be played at festivals and fairs. It's a shame he's not doing Bonnaroo. He closed out the first weekend of the New Orleans Jass & Heritage Festival last week, though, and the reviews were pretty raving. Apparently, he's just having a ton of fun doing this, hitting the road with an 18-piece band, all horns and violins and banjos and stuff, and hosting a two-hour hootenanny everywhere he goes. |
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That's what we need now! It's got to be in there somewhere!!!!! |
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I suppose that's the interesting flipside to the power trip. She feels like she's got this rock star clout and power, and now that she's got it and has had it for so long, she's deathly afraid of losing it. She wants to hold onto it at any cost, and that's why she's so timid and hesitant to take any risks whatsoever. (And before anybody even starts: No. A rock singer performing with a symphony orchestra is not a risk. It's practically a cliche.) |
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