These are real tears...
 

I am deleting my post for a variety of reasons and doubt that I will revisit The Ledge...making the second time I have left and vowed not to return. It amazes me that, well...nevermind, it's not worth it.

I wish The Ledge would be like it used to be...

later

ummm...see ya?

It's not your fault, or your problem, or whatever. I hope you decide to come back.

I didn't have an opportunity to see the original post before it was edited, but I will say this....
Jimmy Wheeler was a Stevie Nicks fan, and, therefore, a discussion regarding him IS on topic.

In the past, we've discussed in this Forum other stories regarding Stevie fans that we've read about on the internet or in the newspaper (lost dogs, tragic deaths, waiters who've met her, etc.), and we most certainly can discuss Jimmy Wheeler here as well.

Beyond that, we've always taken a somewhat relaxed stance regarding off-topic posts. Yes, we do suggest that they be placed in the applicable forum, but, often times, bands with no real relation to FM are discussed on the Rumours Forum, or a question regarding Stevie's solo career is asked there, and so forth. Heck, some fans have even suggested that all discussions of 'Say You Will' should have been placed on the Post-Rumours Forum, as Fleetwood Mac is no longer the Rumours-Era group without Christine.

So, if you wish to discuss Jimmy Wheeler... a fellow Stevie Nicks fan... then, please feel free to do so.

What is she/he talking about? Is it possible that I missed something? Why would this person want to leave? what did someone say? who is Jimmy Wheeler? Why does this person want the ledge to be how it used to be? :confused:

that was my exact reaction!

:confused:

I'm assuming it's because 1/2 Insane posted a nasty thread titled "These are real tears part 2." I could be wrong.

Yes, that is, unfortunately, the case.

Just a little preemptive plea here... I'd appreciate it if no one allows this particular thread (or the other) to become a massive debate or argument.

Thank you. :)

Here is the text that Jazmen had posted, from Jim Wheeler's memorial website: http://jimwheeler.org Jazmen also had personal comments attached, which I am not reproducing.

The text below can be found at: http://jimwheeler.org/story.html

My tears post was in no way nasty, and Stews assuming so is an inappropriate response. Read the threads before you assume Please J/Stew. Thank You.

My apologies if I made an assumption. All I can go by is the reactions after the fact.

I reiterate though, that I will not tolerate a hostile environment being created on this forum.

Thanks Johnny Stew. It happens. I’m guilty too. No hard feelings on my end. :wavey:

I'm sorry you're leaving. I didn't know anything about JIm Wheeler before and didn't read your initial post. Hope you would change your mind and give us the chance to read again your comments.

Romy

Well...it is the way it used to be...it was just someone else. There was always one, wasn't there? :wavey:

So don't go for this reason. There's plenty of tolerance here. Especially for those who have been wronged and try to do better. ;)

maybe I acted on impulse and emotion before and I apologize if I in any way inferred that the majority of the people here are not fabulous, understanding and polite. I'm not one to back down, so I knew I'd be back...I can't stay away from Amber, Johnny Stew and DrummerDeana and many others. the sum of my post was simply that Stevie is a lifesaver to many people and it was just a "here's to you Stevie" for everything. I hate that I in some way started this discussion of religion and sexuality, which could be argued for years to come. to let 1/2 insane know, I too was raped at the age of 5 yrs old at knifepoint in an abandoned home next to a roll of Pink Panther insulation. those images are burned in my mind so I know a little something about how he feels. people do some evil things in this world. posting information about Jim Wheeler was to show that he was a Stevie fan and his story was sad and I connected with it. I too read the story about the poor child that was murdered by those two men and words can't express the sick feeling that I had when reading it. I hope that 1/2 insane can understand I was pointing out that many of us have things in our lives we struggle with. I was lucky to find Stevie and make it day to day, while Jim did not. I thought it was a touching story and that my post was tactful.

as far as my comment about the Ledge being like it used to be, that too was said in haste. I remember first joining the Ledge in 1997 or 1998 and each person being the keeper of something (I was the keeper of Stevie's Moon Necklace and the song Sisters of the Moon) and we all did the Crystal Visions compilation...it just brings back fond memories and I miss some of the people that used to make this board an amazing place to be. It is still an awesome collection of people with varied backgrounds and personalities and that's what makes anything interesting and fun. we all have one thing in common and that is love for Stevie. I, for one, love her soul and anything she has ever done...and appreciate her and appreciate this board and the people that compile it. with that said, I'm looking forward to Vegas with each passing second.

and thanks to those of you who were so nice and sent me messages. to others, whom I won't name, that were crude, thoughtless and critical, you know who you are and I wish you all the best - there's enough hate already

I'm so sorry that happened to you, first of all. It makes me sick.
I'm glad you decided to come back. It seems to me that most people here are kind, compassionate, open, and also very knowlegeable. It would have been a shame to lose you because of what one person, or two, or whatever, said. :)
I enjoyed and share your heartfelt sentiments about Stevie.
I'm sure most people have acted on their emotions/impulses here, no big, I'm sure no one took it personally.
again, I'm glad you changed your mind. :)
(sorry, I'm not very good at this stuff, but I wanted to say something to let you know how I feel about what you said.... :o )

I’d foreword the cruel PM’s to Janet the moderator to be dealt with accordingly. There is no reason for that type of behavior. I get where you’re coming from JazmenFlowers. Glad you came back.

JazmenFlowers, who are you? I was on the Ledge in 1997. I didn't have an item but I just remember things like GREEN CUP and HAMMOCK LOL.

I don't remember what my name was, I think it was rhiannon1979 or something. But yeah, someone was the keeper of Christine's neon green cup and lots of other cool stuff. I was the one always posting poetry and trying to organize Stevie parties. I ended up getting one together and the picture of the party actually ended up on the Nicksfix...my crowning achievment. lol

Glad you're back - don't leave...

What I've noticed on the Ledge through the years is....the pests and crazies come and go - the cool people stay constant....well a few have left - but there are still many great people remaining....:) Thanks for sharing your story and Jimmy Wheeler's story - it's sickening that these things happen in the world - it's also sickening that there are people on this board who would respond to such things with crudeness and hatred.

A few of the pests & crazies have stayed on, though, year after year ... nuts like Barb & Les!!

I just wanted to say how sorry I am about what happened to you.

I also wanted to say that I'm glad you came back to the board. :)

thanks girl! I love Gate and Garden by the way. When it kicks in, I MUST sing along!

Me too! :thumbsup: