What can Stevie do to win back the many long time fans she’s lost the last few years?

[secret love]

I actually thought those lines were about the deaths of his father and brother. In his world they wouldn't have died and he wouldn't be left with things he wished he had told them while they were still alive.

You may well be correct, however I think the beauty of the lyric is in its potential to be interpreted in a range of ways.

[secret love]

On the topic of Lindsey's violence, I can't help wondering what his kids must think when they hear these things about their father. It must be so awkward. I wonder, have they ever discussed it?

As for the father of Stevie's children, we know Don Henley was the dad at least once and I've heard from multiple sources he's a major jerk and womanizer.

Many on these boards would not object to an equivalent description of Stevie Nicks - you know I am sure some of the haters would love to brand her as a bitch and a woman guilty of misandry.

[button-lip]

Many on these boards would not object to an equivalent description of Stevie Nicks - you know I am sure some of the haters would love to brand her as a bitch and a woman guilty of misandry.

In the same way you’re portraying him as a man responsible of his own sacking because of his..... lyrics and comments????

[secret love]

In the same way you’re portraying him as a man responsible of his own sacking because of his..... lyrics and comments????

That's your interpretation of my comments. It isn't true to the spirit of what I was trying to say, but hey, I realise things are not always interpreted the way the speaker intended them to be.

All I was saying is he was actually sacked for substantive issues. No, it was not fair, and I would believe it or not, prefer that he was out currently touring with his band of 43 years with his ticker intact. But was he an innocent angel preyed upon by the evil witch who wrote Rhiannon? NO, he was not.

[michelej1]

The ethical question of wife-beating is a binary one. Abortions are also quite binary for me, but not all and I think the political debates it raises have been bandied about long enough here. This is not really the place for that discussion. It has been a fair topic in the Stevie section for many years as a reflection on her song lyrics and life at that time, but used here to win Lindsey points ... that ship has sailed. We can find other things to discuss about her.

[button-lip]

That's your interpretation of my comments. It isn't true to the spirit of what I was trying to say, but hey, I realise things are not always interpreted the way the speaker intended them to be.

All I was saying is he was actually sacked for substantive issues. No, it was not fair, and I would believe it or not, prefer that he was out currently touring with his band of 43 years with his ticker intact. But was he an innocent angel preyed upon by the evil witch who wrote Rhiannon? NO, he was not.

That’s your interpretations of things. None of them actually said the reason of his ousting, so unless you have talked to Mick or Stevie or someone close to the band, you have no idea of the real reason. That’s what we’re all waiting to hear.

[secret love]

That’s your interpretations of things. None of them actually said the reason of his ousting, so unless you have talked to Mick or Stevie or someone close to the band, you have no idea of the real reason. That’s what we’re all waiting to hear.
Regardless of the reason, whether it was that he let off a foul smelling odour at Music Cares, and could not be trusted not to fart on stage during the upcoming tour. Or whether he truly was trying to juggle solo and band projects instead of committing fully to the band and putting solo stuff on hold. It doesn't matter. In any scenario, for any reason, he cannot be a guiltless party. He is not perfect. Despite what you may think.

[lovethemac1]

That's your interpretation of my comments. It isn't true to the spirit of what I was trying to say, but hey, I realise things are not always interpreted the way the speaker intended them to be.

All I was saying is he was actually sacked for substantive issues. No, it was not fair, and I would believe it or not, prefer that he was out currently touring with his band of 43 years with his ticker intact. But was he an innocent angel preyed upon by the evil witch who wrote Rhiannon? NO, he was not.

Do you not honestly think that they would love to broadcast what these substantive issues were??
They would love to have this stuff to say, esp Stevie.
Except all they have is that Stevie wants to dance and be happy, and then lies.
Lies lies lies.
So, I respectfully disagree that there is any substantive reasons. It’s more like petty reasons by a petty old lady who is lonely and miserable.

[secret love]

Do you not honestly think that they would love to broadcast what these substantive issues were??
They would love to have this stuff to say, esp Stevie.
Except all they have is that Stevie wants to dance and be happy, and then lies.
Lies lies lies.
So, I respectfully disagree that there is any substantive reasons. It’s more like petty reasons by a petty old lady who is lonely and miserable.

You think I was joking about his foul smelling farts. I could smell them twenty metres from the stage at On With the Show at Qudos Bank Arena in 2015. If that's not a substantive reason, I don't know what is. I could even, if I squinted, see Christine crinkling her nose in disgust. And she loves Lindsey.

[saniette]

Regardless of the reason, whether it was that he let off a foul smelling odour at Music Cares, and could not be trusted not to fart on stage during the upcoming tour. Or whether he truly was trying to juggle solo and band projects instead of committing fully to the band and putting solo stuff on hold. It doesn't matter. In any scenario, for any reason, he cannot be a guiltless party. He is not perfect. Despite what you may think.

Lindsey isn't perfect, and neither is anyone else in the band. To justify his firing, he would have to do something much worse than what anyone else in the band has ever done. Which has not been forthcoming.

Lindsey may be difficult to work with, but I don't think Stevie's a peach to work with either. Her diva tendencies have been getting progressively worse over the years, and she seems to be close to full-on Norma Desmond territory.

We're allowed to critique the band for their decision. The band was broken up, apparently because Lindsey and Stevie basically can't get along. But Lindsey didn't issue an ultimatum, Stevie did, and that's where she did something wrong. There's plenty of things on Stevie's side of the column to justify her firing, so how does she have the chutzpah to basically demand Lindsey's firing? And to not have the decency to tell him herself?

Apparently, the other 4 got along just fine without her, and I think BuckVie is a large part of what precipitated this. I initially took her comments to the press at face value, but I think now it's pretty clear that project rankled her.

[secret love]

Lindsey isn't perfect, and neither is anyone else in the band. To justify his firing, he would have to do something much worse than what anyone else in the band has ever done. Which has not been forthcoming.

Lindsey may be difficult to work with, but I don't think Stevie's a peach to work with either. Her diva tendencies have been getting progressively worse over the years, and she seems to be close to full-on Norma Desmond territory.

We're allowed to critique the band for their decision. The band was broken up, apparently because Lindsey and Stevie basically can't get along. But Lindsey didn't issue an ultimatum, Stevie did, and that's where she did something wrong. There's plenty of things on Stevie's side of the column to justify her firing, so how does she have the chutzpah to basically demand Lindsey's firing? And to not have the decency to tell him herself?

Apparently, the other 4 got along just fine without her, and I think BuckVie is a large part of what precipitated this. I initially took her comments to the press at face value, but I think now it's pretty clear that project rankled her.

From memory, Stevie's comments about Buckingham McVie immediately prior to its release were (not a direct quote): I'm sure it will be great, cos Christine's super inspired.
No remarks about Lindsey. Just, Christine is feeling inspired. No comment as to why she wasn't involved, except for an offhand remark that she is really busy with her solo tour.
Rankled? That's an understatement.

[button-lip]

Regardless of the reason, whether it was that he let off a foul smelling odour at Music Cares, and could not be trusted not to fart on stage during the upcoming tour. Or whether he truly was trying to juggle solo and band projects instead of committing fully to the band and putting solo stuff on hold. It doesn't matter. In any scenario, for any reason, he cannot be a guiltless party. He is not perfect. Despite what you may think.

Yes, it matters. Not to you because you’re happy he was ousted but the reasons matter to many of us.

Who talked about perfection? No one is fired of a job for not being perfect.

Think what you want and enjoy your perfect line up.

[David]

Apparently, the other 4 got along just fine without her, and I think BuckVie is a large part of what precipitated this. I initially took her comments to the press at face value, but I think now it's pretty clear that project rankled her.
I think it really upset her. But maybe it wasn't the album itself. Maybe it was how Lindsey talked about the album. Did he bring up the fact that it was a Fleetwood Mac album without Stevie? I didn't get a chance to read all those articles at the time. Maybe Stevie wouldn't have cared if the album had been framed as a real Buckingham + McVie album, a side project. But if Lindsey said it was a Fleetwood Mac album with a missing Stevie, she might be mad about that. It paints her in an unfortunate light: a songwriter who can no longer write.

[button-lip]

I think it really upset her. But maybe it wasn't the album itself. Maybe it was how Lindsey talked about the album. Did he bring up the fact that it was a Fleetwood Mac album without Stevie? I didn't get a chance to read all those articles at the time. Maybe Stevie wouldn't have cared if the album had been framed as a real Buckingham + McVie album, a side project. But if Lindsey said it was a Fleetwood Mac album with a missing Stevie, she might be mad about that. It paints her in an unfortunate light: a songwriter who can no longer write.

The fact that BuckVie was meant to be a FM album from the beginning was not mentioned until the lawsuit. We all had suspicions but that was the first time it was confirmed.

Christ, he couldn’t have been more considerate with her feelings. And she paid him back so nicely!

[secret love]

Yes, it matters. Not to you because you’re happy he was ousted but the reasons matter to many of us.

Who talked about perfection? No one is fired of a job for not being perfect.

Think what you want and enjoy your perfect line up.

I think it really upset her. But maybe it wasn't the album itself. Maybe it was how Lindsey talked about the album. Did he bring up the fact that it was a Fleetwood Mac album without Stevie? I didn't get a chance to read all those articles at the time. Maybe Stevie wouldn't have cared if the album had been framed as a real Buckingham + McVie album, a side project. But if Lindsey said it was a Fleetwood Mac album with a missing Stevie, she might be mad about that. It paints her in an unfortunate light: a songwriter who can no longer write.
If you listened to anything I had to say, you would know that I enjoyed my perfect line up at Allphones Arena (now called Qudos Bank Arena) in Sydney, on October 24 (I think) 2015.
If you bothered to ask, you'd know that I am unlikely to go see "your perfect line up" as the ticket prices are ridiculously somehow higher than they were in 2015 for an inferior product.

Now David, he never said that. Lindsey and Christine tried very hard to frame their album as a duet, saying things like oh we just naturally thought of bringing Mick and John in to work on our album, not because it was Fleetwood Mac, but because they're just a great rhythm section.

[singertobe]

You think I was joking about his foul smelling farts. I could smell them twenty metres from the stage at On With the Show at Qudos Bank Arena in 2015. If that's not a substantive reason, I don't know what is. I could even, if I squinted, see Christine crinkling her nose in disgust. And she loves Lindsey.

How do you know it was Lindsey's farts though? It could've been someone in the audience. Heck it could've been Queen Stevie.:lol:

[secret love]

How do you know it was Lindsey's farts though? It could've been someone in the audience. Heck it could've been Queen Stevie.:lol:

Stevie told me. She pointed at Lindsey's face and silently mouthed the words "It was him" and then, "see? That smirk!"

[button-lip]

If you listened to anything I had to say, you would know that I enjoyed my perfect line up at Allphones Arena (now called Qudos Bank Arena) in Sydney, on October 24 (I think) 2015.
If you bothered to ask, you'd know that I am unlikely to go see "your perfect line up" as the ticket prices are ridiculously somehow higher than they were in 2015 for an inferior product.

Oh, but I listened to everything you said. Everything.


It's just that your Queen is not my Queen.

[secret love]

Oh, but I listened to everything you said. Everything.


It's just that your Queen is not my Queen.

If it was not clear: the current line up is inferior to the 2015 line up.

[singertobe]

Stevie told me. She pointed at Lindsey's face and silently mouthed the words "It was him" and then, "see? That smirk!"

For real? What concert was this? Is there footage?:lol:

[elle]

I think it really upset her. But maybe it wasn't the album itself. Maybe it was how Lindsey talked about the album. Did he bring up the fact that it was a Fleetwood Mac album without Stevie? I didn't get a chance to read all those articles at the time. Maybe Stevie wouldn't have cared if the album had been framed as a real Buckingham + McVie album, a side project. But if Lindsey said it was a Fleetwood Mac album with a missing Stevie, she might be mad about that. It paints her in an unfortunate light: a songwriter who can no longer write.

Now David, he never said that. Lindsey and Christine tried very hard to frame their album as a duet, saying things like oh we just naturally thought of bringing Mick and John in to work on our album, not because it was Fleetwood Mac, but because they're just a great rhythm section.
yup, they bent over backwards to appease Stevie. and we all jumped on them for lying because Mick was very clear back in 2014 and 2015 that Fleetwood Mac was working on new album, that Lindsey and Christine already had bunch of songs recorded and that they are all hoping that Stevie will finally join them, eventually.
Stevie told me. She pointed at Lindsey's face and silently mouthed the words "It was him" and then, "see? That smirk!"
:laugh:

to people who don't pay attention to our friend secret love here, he loves to stir sh*t and to do that usually takes extreme positions, in one or the other camp, alternating between the camps he supports or dislikes. he's equal opportunity that way. ;):nod::shrug:

similarly Phil from Oz seems to hate the whole world for the last few years, and loves to bash everyone including all FM band members and everyone on this board. :shrug:

[michelej1]

I actually thought those lines were about the deaths of his father and brother. In his world they wouldn't have died and he wouldn't be left with things he wished he had told them while they were still alive.

I do not think he would describe his father and brother as dancing, spinning, dreaming.

[secret love]

I do not think he would describe his father and brother as dancing, spinning, dreaming.

The fact that Lindsey said in 2013 that Sad Angel, It Takes Time and Miss Fantasy were ALL about Stevie Nicks, leads me to speculate that In My World, which was first cut with Mick and John in 2012 at the same time as the three EP tracks he wrote... is also about Stevie Nicks.

[secret love]

yup, they bent over backwards to appease Stevie. and we all jumped on them for lying because Mick was very clear back in 2014 and 2015 that Fleetwood Mac was working on new album, that Lindsey and Christine already had bunch of songs recorded and that they are all hoping that Stevie will finally join them, eventually.

:laugh:

to people who don't pay attention to our friend secret love here, he loves to stir sh*t and to do that usually takes extreme positions, in one or the other camp, alternating between the camps he supports or dislikes. he's equal opportunity that way. ;):nod::shrug:

similarly Phil from Oz seems to hate the whole world for the last few years, and loves to bash everyone including all FM band members and everyone on this board. :shrug:

Yes I named my account after a Stevie Nicks solo song, but I fell in love with Fleetwood Mac as a band before I even knew the name of their lead singer. So it upsets me greatly that they have disbanded the Rumours 5, but at the same time, I am very angry when Ledgies accuse "that woman" of causing Lindsey's heart attack, as that is BOLLOCKS. Without trying to draw too long a bow, saying she caused the heart attack would be a little like me blaming my ex-girlfriend for my bipolar affective disorder diagnosis.

[HomerMcvie]

Yes I named my account after a Stevie Nicks solo song, but I fell in love with Fleetwood Mac as a band before I even knew the name of their lead singer.

You know, they don't have "A LEAD SINGER". They have THREE people who sing lead. But thanks for playing...

[singertobe]

I do not think he would describe his father and brother as dancing, spinning, dreaming.

Why not? I think everyone would be "dancing, spinning, dreaming" in a perfect world.

[Feather Blade]

You know, they don't have "A LEAD SINGER". They have THREE people who sing lead. But thanks for playing...

Technically they have four now unless Mike's song gets dropped. Trimming set lists has been a bad habit for decades.:rolleyes:

[HomerMcvie]

Technically they have four now unless Mike's song gets dropped. Trimming set lists has been a bad habit for decades.:rolleyes:

This be the Rumours Forum.:wavey:

[michelej1]

Why not? I think everyone would be "dancing, spinning, dreaming" in a perfect world.

Why miss the opportunity to say “swimming”?

[bombaysaffires]

I am tired of hearing about Stevie’s alleged abortions in this context. If you want to discuss abortions further, do it in Chit Chat.

I do not think the questionable Vox interview or the cat is out of the bag comments are off limits. They have been discussed ad nauseum in the Stevie forum. But enough of throwing abortions out there as proof of what an awful person she is. Make your points some other way.

did I miss something? What is the 'cat is out of the bag" comment??

[secret love]

did I miss something? What is the 'cat is out of the bag" comment??

I took "cat is out of the bag comments" to be a reference to when Stevie did that interview and so to speak let the cat out of the bag that she had terminated several pregnancies in her not so recent past.

[rhiannondontgo]

It’s more like petty reasons by a petty old lady who is lonely and miserable.

Well... *was* lonely/miserable. In all honesty, I don’t think I’ve ever seen the woman happier. Anyone else who has gone to see this tour notice how upbeat she is? I’ve seen her (and the rest of FM) many, many times. And for the last few years, it’s almost always been from the very front row (was one of the girls they’d bring up to LB’s mic stand for the 2013 tour & OWTS tour). I’ve seen her look pretty f’in miserable at times, she isn’t great at hiding it. I’m sure it was not always due to Lindsey. I remember once we were front row for one of those early morning talk show concert tapings and she just looked absolutely unpleasant and grumpy the whole time, clearly wasn’t his fault, she was just exhausted. Hell, there were even some 24k gold shows I thought she seemed bored/tired/unhappy. But sometimes it was clear she was annoyed with LB specifically. You look at that rolling stone article from last tour when he’s pounding on the walls and sending representatives to tell her to turn her music down, and she’s just rolling her eyes and bitching about how she never wants to be nextdoor to Lindsey’s hotel room ever again. There were also times on that tour where he would be talking to us girls at the front and not listening to her talking, which she would react to in a very visually annoyed fashion (on a couple of occasions she’d call him out verbally - once literally just saying “are you even listening to me?”). It’s probably an equal part “because of Lindsey”/“because of other sh*t” ratio when it comes to the causes of her grumpiness the last few tours.

However, this tour is something else. I remember coming home from one of her shows years ago with a good friend. We watched her set from Woodstock 98 when we got back and we just kept saying to one another “damn what happened to *this* Stevie?” (I think her joy that night was more based on some kinda intoxicant than anything else lol, but still that was just a kind of happy smiley silly Stevie we hadn’t seen in ages). Me & that same friend just returned home from the current tour and we both agreed that for the first time in a long time, it felt like we had *that* Stevie back. The Stevie with the infectious smile who actually seems to think of the show as “fun” and not “work”. Honestly, everyone seems like they were having a ton of fun. Even Chris. And especially Mick.

I don’t really know what that means. Maybe Stevie’s really vengeful and is just invigorated and overjoyed that she finally “won” the battle of FM. Maybe it’s less dark than that and she’s just really having fun bringing her good friend Mike with on tour. Maybe everybody else just seems so happy because they’re used to a miserable Stevie, and when she’s happy it makes their lives easier and more fun. I suppose it’s also entirely possible that LB really was a kind of toxic presence in the band (or just toxic when combined with Stevie) and it’s a more carefree, peaceful atmosphere now with less drama.

I don’t claim to know what they’re thinking. And i’m sad that LB got the short end of the stick and is battling all these severe health issues. That being said, it did feel kinda nice to see the band having so much fun and Stevie actually being pleasant and joyful. Was kind of refreshing. I do hope the band and LB eventually mend fences though. This kind of split is not how I envisioned the band’s final years.

[BombaySapphire3]

Well... *was* lonely/miserable. In all honesty, I don’t think I’ve ever seen the woman happier. Anyone else who has gone to see this tour notice how upbeat she is? I’ve seen her (and the rest of FM) many, many times. And for the last few years, it’s almost always been from the very front row (was one of the girls they’d bring up to LB’s mic stand for the 2013 tour & OWTS tour). I’ve seen her look pretty f’in miserable at times, she isn’t great at hiding it. I’m sure it was not always due to Lindsey. I remember once we were front row for one of those early morning talk show concert tapings and she just looked absolutely unpleasant and grumpy the whole time, clearly wasn’t his fault, she was just exhausted. Hell, there were even some 24k gold shows I thought she seemed bored/tired/unhappy. But sometimes it was clear she was annoyed with LB specifically. You look at that rolling stone article from last tour when he’s pounding on the walls and sending representatives to tell her to turn her music down, and she’s just rolling her eyes and bitching about how she never wants to be nextdoor to Lindsey’s hotel room ever again. There were also times on that tour where he would be talking to us girls at the front and not listening to her talking, which she would react to in a very visually annoyed fashion (on a couple of occasions she’d call him out verbally - once literally just saying “are you even listening to me?”). It’s probably an equal part “because of Lindsey”/“because of other sh*t” ratio when it comes to the causes of her grumpiness the last few tours.

However, this tour is something else. I remember coming home from one of her shows years ago with a good friend. We watched her set from Woodstock 98 when we got back and we just kept saying to one another “damn what happened to *this* Stevie?” (I think her joy that night was more based on some kinda intoxicant than anything else lol, but still that was just a kind of happy smiley silly Stevie we hadn’t seen in ages). Me & that same friend just returned home from the current tour and we both agreed that for the first time in a long time, it felt like we had *that* Stevie back. The Stevie with the infectious smile who actually seems to think of the show as “fun” and not “work”. Honestly, everyone seems like they were having a ton of fun. Even Chris. And especially Mick.

I don’t really know what that means. Maybe Stevie’s really vengeful and is just invigorated and overjoyed that she finally “won” the battle of FM. Maybe it’s less dark than that and she’s just really having fun bringing her good friend Mike with on tour. Maybe everybody else just seems so happy because they’re used to a miserable Stevie, and when she’s happy it makes their lives easier and more fun. I suppose it’s also entirely possible that LB really was a kind of toxic presence in the band (or just toxic when combined with Stevie) and it’s a more carefree, peaceful atmosphere now with less drama.

I don’t claim to know what they’re thinking. And i’m sad that LB got the short end of the stick and is battling all these severe health issues. That being said, it did feel kinda nice to see the band having so much fun and Stevie actually being pleasant and joyful. Was kind of refreshing. I do hope the band and LB eventually mend fences though. This kind of split is not how I envisioned the band’s final years.

Well of course she's happy. She engineered Lindsey's firing and is now in
complete control of Fleetwood Mac and is the first woman to be inducted in the R&RHOF twice for f*#ks sake.

[secret love]

Well of course she's happy. She engineered Lindsey's firing and is now in
complete control of Fleetwood Mac and is the first woman to be inducted in the R&RHOF twice for f*#ks sake.

Some fans just act plain dumb sometimes. "She engineered Lindsey's firing and is now in complete control of Fleetwood Mac" :rolleyes: Give me a break!

Do you really think STEVIE NICKS is in complete control of Fleetwood Mac? Have you forgotten about someone called FLEETWOOD and someone called MAC-vie?

Stevie was only able to see Lindsey get fired because of Mick Fleetwood's agreement, and John McVie's ambivalence. If John had taken a stand, and his ex-wife had backed him up, saying something like "the McVies will quit Fleetwood Mac if Lindsey is not reinstated"... then Lindsey would most definitely have been reinstated.

Blaming Mick and Stevie is the easy way out for fans of Christine and John. Let's face it, they are equally culpable. Yes Christine sent Lindsey a very kind hearted email apologising for what happened, but does that absolve her of all responsibility? I think not. And John sent Lindsey an email, too, saying simply "I am told that I cannot talk to you"... how cowardly is that?

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"Well I've been afraid of changing... cause I, I built my life around you. But time makes you bolder. Children get older. And I'm getting older, too." Doesn't that sum her up? She built her life around Lindsey. And it nearly killed her. Something snapped. Like a child, she issued her ultimatum. A seventy year old child, having a temper tantrum.
But, it never would have been possible without the agreement of Mick, the ambivalence of John, and the weakness of Christine.

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Hm, would it have killed her to throw in a line about Lindsey, if she couldn't bring herself to dedicate the whole song to him instead of a 12 year old bassist? That said, she looks even happier and more radiant in the 2019 version of Landslide than the 1997 version. Sure, she does look 20 years older in the 2019 clip. And her blonde hair ages her more than the brunette locks of The Dance. But she looks sad in The Dance. In An Evening With Fleetwood Mac, she sings Landslide almost joyously.

[button-lip]

Well... *was* lonely/miserable. In all honesty, I don’t think I’ve ever seen the woman happier. Anyone else who has gone to see this tour notice how upbeat she is? I’ve seen her (and the rest of FM) many, many times. And for the last few years, it’s almost always been from the very front row (was one of the girls they’d bring up to LB’s mic stand for the 2013 tour & OWTS tour). I’ve seen her look pretty f’in miserable at times, she isn’t great at hiding it. I’m sure it was not always due to Lindsey. I remember once we were front row for one of those early morning talk show concert tapings and she just looked absolutely unpleasant and grumpy the whole time, clearly wasn’t his fault, she was just exhausted. Hell, there were even some 24k gold shows I thought she seemed bored/tired/unhappy. But sometimes it was clear she was annoyed with LB specifically. You look at that rolling stone article from last tour when he’s pounding on the walls and sending representatives to tell her to turn her music down, and she’s just rolling her eyes and bitching about how she never wants to be nextdoor to Lindsey’s hotel room ever again. There were also times on that tour where he would be talking to us girls at the front and not listening to her talking, which she would react to in a very visually annoyed fashion (on a couple of occasions she’d call him out verbally - once literally just saying “are you even listening to me?”). It’s probably an equal part “because of Lindsey”/“because of other sh*t” ratio when it comes to the causes of her grumpiness the last few tours.

However, this tour is something else. I remember coming home from one of her shows years ago with a good friend. We watched her set from Woodstock 98 when we got back and we just kept saying to one another “damn what happened to *this* Stevie?” (I think her joy that night was more based on some kinda intoxicant than anything else lol, but still that was just a kind of happy smiley silly Stevie we hadn’t seen in ages). Me & that same friend just returned home from the current tour and we both agreed that for the first time in a long time, it felt like we had *that* Stevie back. The Stevie with the infectious smile who actually seems to think of the show as “fun” and not “work”. Honestly, everyone seems like they were having a ton of fun. Even Chris. And especially Mick.

I don’t really know what that means. Maybe Stevie’s really vengeful and is just invigorated and overjoyed that she finally “won” the battle of FM. Maybe it’s less dark than that and she’s just really having fun bringing her good friend Mike with on tour. Maybe everybody else just seems so happy because they’re used to a miserable Stevie, and when she’s happy it makes their lives easier and more fun. I suppose it’s also entirely possible that LB really was a kind of toxic presence in the band (or just toxic when combined with Stevie) and it’s a more carefree, peaceful atmosphere now with less drama.

I don’t claim to know what they’re thinking. And i’m sad that LB got the short end of the stick and is battling all these severe health issues. That being said, it did feel kinda nice to see the band having so much fun and Stevie actually being pleasant and joyful. Was kind of refreshing. I do hope the band and LB eventually mend fences though. This kind of split is not how I envisioned the band’s final years.


Like you said, I think the rest of the band is happy because they don't have to deal with bitchy Stevie, and there's no more bitchy Stevie because Lindsey's not there. I don't think the Brits care very much how to make her happy. If the only way to accomplish that is to fire Lindsey, then fine by them. That's how I perceive all of them right now. Whatever it takes to make her happy. It's truly her band now. They're all at her mercy now.

I think Stevie and Lindsey's relationship was and will always be toxic. So she's certainly happier now that he's not there anymore. But a part of me wonders what's gonna happen once the tour is over. I mean, you did all of this just to be happier while on tour? You ruined a 50+ years family relationship just to be happier on your last tour? Really?

She's clealy not thinking straight or she was faking it all these years. I think at this point of this mess all Lindsey cares about is to understand her reasons and to end his years in a civilized way with all of them, but especially with Stevie. This is more than just a band relationship, at least to him. F*ck the band and f*ck the tour.

But unfortunately, you can't underestimate Stevie's hate for Lindsey. And he learnt it the hardest way.

[singertobe]

I remember my mom and I saw the band on their EP tour. Afterwards, she said she thinks Stevie is showing the beginning stages of dementia since she keeps forgetting things. My great grandmother had dementia and as it got worse so did her attitude. I dunno. Just something to think about.:shrug:

[SortaSavageLike]

In response to the OP:
1. Reanimate her aborted children.
2. Unfire Lindsey.
3. Give all of Tom Petty's bandmates heart attacks so they won't attempt to join Fleetwood Mac.
4. Cure heart disease.
5. Precede each song with a lengthy apology, but not TOO lengthy, because, jeeze, we don't want Lindsey smirking again.
6. Feed herself to her dogs.
7. PROFIT!

(Not necessarily in that order.)

[rhiannondontgo]

I remember my mom and I saw the band on their EP tour. Afterwards, she said she thinks Stevie is showing the beginning stages of dementia since she keeps forgetting things. My great grandmother had dementia and as it got worse so did her attitude. I dunno. Just something to think about.:shrug:

She’s always been like that though. Of all the people i’ve seen in concert, she makes the most mistakes by far. It’s not new. She’s forgetful and kind of ditzy, always has been. Lots of her bootlegs from way back in the day have tons of mistakes and screwed up lyrics. I remember the one tape from the Wild Heart tour, she ends one song with “and I actually don’t know what song is coming now, I need to ask somebody”. I loved a few tours ago when the lights went down after one song and the rest of the band walked backstage (as they were all supposed to), when the lights came back on she was still standing there (now alone) and just laughs and says “sometimes I don’t know where I am.” :laugh: That’s just Stevie. Always spaced out.

[rhiannondontgo]

Like you said, I think the rest of the band is happy because they don't have to deal with bitchy Stevie, and there's no more bitchy Stevie because Lindsey's not there. I don't think the Brits care very much how to make her happy. If the only way to accomplish that is to fire Lindsey, then fine by them. That's how I perceive all of them right now. Whatever it takes to make her happy. It's truly her band now. They're all at her mercy now.

Yeah, she’s always talked about the men in the band bending to the will of the girls just to pacify them and make life easier. She always made it seem like it was she and Chris as a team who were coddled and spoiled and made a priority. I remember in one of the limo tapes Mick is in a sh*t mood and Stevie keeps saying “well the girls are happy and that’s all that matters”. And then there’s quotes like “If there was a presidential suite the girls got it. Or two presidentials, we got them, me and Chris. That was the way of the world. I think the boys bitched about that, but in the long run it was like: Happy wife, happy life. Happy girls, happy world. Happy Chris and Stevie, life is easy.”

But i’ve always felt like while she includes Chris in her “we girls are the priority” lines, Chris probably wouldn’t have said the same or described it that way at all. I doubt she was ever the “priority” to the guys the way that Stevie always was (and is). I think Chris seems pretty easy to work with and isn’t as coddled and spoiled by the guys as Stevie. She probably just includes her in those stories because it makes her feel less b*tchy to say “OUR happiness is the most important” than to admit that in reality it’s all just Stevie’s demands and happiness that everybody is working around.

[bombaysaffires]

Yeah, she’s always talked about the men in the band bending to the will of the girls just to pacify them and make life easier. She always made it seem like it was she and Chris as a team who were coddled and spoiled and made a priority. I remember in one of the limo tapes Mick is in a sh*t mood and Stevie keeps saying “well the girls are happy and that’s all that matters”. And then there’s quotes like “If there was a presidential suite the girls got it. Or two presidentials, we got them, me and Chris. That was the way of the world. I think the boys bitched about that, but in the long run it was like: Happy wife, happy life. Happy girls, happy world. Happy Chris and Stevie, life is easy.”

But i’ve always felt like while she includes Chris in her “we girls are the priority” lines, Chris probably wouldn’t have said the same or described it that way at all. I doubt she was ever the “priority” to the guys the way that Stevie always was (and is). I think Chris seems pretty easy to work with and isn’t as coddled and spoiled by the guys as Stevie. She probably just includes her in those stories because it makes her feel less b*tchy to say “OUR happiness is the most important” than to admit that in reality it’s all just Stevie’s demands and happiness that everybody is working around.

Indeed, there's a video interview in which Chris says something about being 'pampered' and then catches herself and says "Well, not really 'pampered' but they did carry the odd suitcase" for her. This was pre Stevie. You know Chris was in there mucking in and setting up her keyboards etc before Stevie joined. I'll bet my mortgage Stevie NEVER carried and amp or even helped set up her own mic stand even in the BN days. She's too precious.... and would have batted her eyelashes and flirted with the men to get them to do for her. Which makes a lot of her feminist ranting lately kinda hilarious. She was quoted back in the day re going out with Don Henley and being around the Eagles that she was just "quiet, and feminine, and tricked them to death".

[BombaySapphire3]

Some fans just act plain dumb sometimes. "She engineered Lindsey's firing and is now in complete control of Fleetwood Mac" :rolleyes: Give me a break!

Do you really think STEVIE NICKS is in complete control of Fleetwood Mac? Have you forgotten about someone called FLEETWOOD and someone called MAC-vie?

Stevie was only able to see Lindsey get fired because of Mick Fleetwood's agreement, and John McVie's ambivalence. If John had taken a stand, and his ex-wife had backed him up, saying something like "the McVies will quit Fleetwood Mac if Lindsey is not reinstated"... then Lindsey would most definitely have been reinstated.

Blaming Mick and Stevie is the easy way out for fans of Christine and John. Let's face it, they are equally culpable. Yes Christine sent Lindsey a very kind hearted email apologising for what happened, but does that absolve her of all responsibility? I think not. And John sent Lindsey an email, too, saying simply "I am told that I cannot talk to you"... how cowardly is that?

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"Well I've been afraid of changing... cause I, I built my life around you. But time makes you bolder. Children get older. And I'm getting older, too." Doesn't that sum her up? She built her life around Lindsey. And it nearly killed her. Something snapped. Like a child, she issued her ultimatum. A seventy year old child, having a temper tantrum.
But, it never would have been possible without the agreement of Mick, the ambivalence of John, and the weakness of Christine.

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Hm, would it have killed her to throw in a line about Lindsey, if she couldn't bring herself to dedicate the whole song to him instead of a 12 year old bassist? That said, she looks even happier and more radiant in the 2019 version of Landslide than the 1997 version. Sure, she does look 20 years older in the 2019 clip. And her blonde hair ages her more than the brunette locks of The Dance. But she looks sad in The Dance. In An Evening With Fleetwood Mac, she sings Landslide almost joyously.

I never intimated that the rest of Fleetwood Mac were not to blame for Lindsey's firing as well.. they are.. She is in control because of the greed of the others. She counted on that to get her way so yes she is control of the band as she is the difference between playing arenas or mid sized casinos and other much smaller venues for lower ticket prices. It is all about the $$.

[The Catdancer]

For me there's nothing she can do to win me back, even if Lindsey got back into the band. She broke up the band, for me there is NO "new" Fleetwood Mac and I got her to thank for it. The legacy is all tainted now all because of her and her ultimatums.

[michelej1]

But i’ve always felt like while she includes Chris in her “we girls are the priority” lines, Chris probably wouldn’t have said the same or described it that way at all. I doubt she was ever the “priority” to the guys the way that Stevie always was (and is). I think Chris seems pretty easy to work with and isn’t as coddled and spoiled by the guys as Stevie. She probably just includes her in those stories because it makes her feel less b*tchy to say “OUR happiness is the most important” than to admit that in reality it’s all just Stevie’s demands and happiness that everybody is working around.

I would like to agree that it wasn’t Christine to, especially because Stevie described how Christine had to sleep on top of the instruments in the backseat of the car in the early days. On the other hand, in the very beginning I don’t think Stevie had so much power that she could make demands on her own. And she was shy her then because she thought that if push came to show of and the band have to choose, they might still choose Lindsey over her. Second we’ve heard the rumors of Christine having a piano and champagne in her hotel room. I think she was coddled to, to an extent.

But you know Lindsey taking off in France and leaving them to do interviews and Christine whining to Daddy Mick about it is one of my favorite videos. Lindsey says he is hungry and they say have a cheese omelet and he yelps, “I don’t want a cheese omelette. I want French food” and he leaves with his gf draped around him like a scarf. They were all spoiled, except for John, maybe.

[michelej1]

Indeed, there's a video interview in which Chris says something about being 'pampered' and then catches herself and says "Well, not really 'pampered' but they did carry the odd suitcase" for her. This was pre Stevie. You know Chris was in there mucking in and setting up her keyboards etc before Stevie joined. I'll bet my mortgage Stevie NEVER carried and amp or even helped set up her own mic stand even in the BN days. She's too precious.... and would have batted her eyelashes and flirted with the men to get them to do for her. Which makes a lot of her feminist ranting lately kinda hilarious. She was quoted back in the day re going out with Don Henley and being around the Eagles that she was just "quiet, and feminine, and tricked them to death".

Oh she admits that even in Fritz she wasn’t carrying equipment. She told them that.

[michelej1]

In response to the OP:
1. Reanimate her aborted children.
2. Unfire Lindsey.
3. Give all of Tom Petty's bandmates heart attacks so they won't attempt to join Fleetwood Mac.
4. Cure heart disease.
5. Precede each song with a lengthy apology, but not TOO lengthy, because, jeeze, we don't want Lindsey smirking again.
6. Feed herself to her dogs.
7. PROFIT!

(Not necessarily in that order.)

With #7, she can forget about numbers one through six, because who needs the approval of her fans as long as FM is still raking in millions.

[Feather Blade]

With #7, she can forget about numbers one through six, because who needs the approval of her fans as long as FM is still raking in millions.

If the band is raking in millions, I guess she HAS the approval of fans. (or at least enough of them to pour millions into all their bank accounts) Sounds like they are all fine to me.

[button-lip]

If the band is raking in millions, I guess she HAS the approval of fans. (or at least enough of them to pour millions into all their bank accounts) Sounds like they are all fine to me.

Agreed. Then why did she ask specifically for no questions about Lindsey? I mean, if everything is sooo fine, and they're sooo happy and they're selling sooo well, why the silence about Lindsey? Why aren't they telling what happened with him every time a journalist ask about him? :shrug::shrug:

[bombaysaffires]

I never intimated that the rest of Fleetwood Mac were not to blame for Lindsey's firing as well.. they are.. She is in control because of the greed of the others. She counted on that to get her way so yes she is control of the band as she is the difference between playing arenas or mid sized casinos and other much smaller venues for lower ticket prices. It is all about the $$.

the difference in her appearance between these two stills is shocking. Girlfriend needs to SERIOUSLY lay off on the fillers.:eek:

[Feather Blade]

Agreed. Then why did she ask specifically for no questions about Lindsey? I mean, if everything is sooo fine, and they're sooo happy and they're selling sooo well, why the silence about Lindsey? Why aren't they telling what happened with him every time a journalist ask about him? :shrug::shrug:

Well, if it were me, I'd do it because I would want to promote a current thing by focusing on the future of the new band rather than year old news. Then again, if it were also me, I would have told decades worth of reporters that the whole "romantic tension and drugs fueling the recording of Rumours" narrative was getting old and tired and let's talk about something different. :laugh:

[dreamsunwind]

the difference in her appearance between these two stills is shocking. Girlfriend needs to SERIOUSLY lay off on the fillers.:eek:

I think her skin looks great for 70 and there’s a huge age gap between the two stills but I agree about the fillers. I hate that look in general. And it cracks me up how she denies getting work done. She doesn’t have to talk about but to just say it’s all the La Mer is silly.

[button-lip]

Well, if it were me, I'd do it because I would want to promote a current thing by focusing on the future of the new band rather than year old news. Then again, if it were also me, I would have told decades worth of reporters that the whole "romantic tension and drugs fueling the recording of Rumours" narrative was getting old and tired and let's talk about something different. :laugh:

Then Mick should tell the journalists in advance that he's not interested in discussing the Lindsey's subject anymore. But no, he LOOOOOOVES telling every one of them that they weren't happy, and he simply loves twisting the knife onto Lindsey's side.

[StreetAngel86]

Is there anything she can do? She’s refused to record a new album, had Lindsey kicked out, has become a dictator...

Could anything redeem her in her lost fan base and Fleetwood Mac’s fanbase? The question needs to be asked.

Personally, I think she needs to show some humility. That might help. She seems like a taker and I think she needs to start giving, without wanting anything in return.

she needs to get rid of her girl!Posse ...particularly Karen
she needs to actually tell the truth
starting with the exact date she started "not" being the boss of the band.
why did she REALLY kick lindsey out

but im afraid i will never be a fan again
she'd have to do something pretty massive and geniune
and i don't think she's capable.

[HomerMcvie]

but im afraid i will never be a fan again
she'd have to do something pretty massive and geniune
and i don't think she's capable.

I truly think she's past the point of being capable of that. She's had smoke blown up her ass for 45 years now, and she believes all of it.

It's actually sad what she's become. More sad is that she's not capable of seeing it.

[iamnotafraid]

It's actually sad what she's become. More sad is that she's not capable of seeing it.

That's very true.

Instead of being humbled by her first real failure
which is approaching thirty years ago. Her ego has
only grown. If one were to take away The Dance, what
success has she really had these past thirty or more
years?

Yet she still thinks she's the queen. I don't get it.
Lindsey's lucky to be rid of her.

[HomerMcvie]

That's very true.

Instead of being humbled by her first real failure
which is approaching thirty years ago. Her ego has
only grown. If one were to take away The Dance, what
success has she really had these past thirty or more
years?

Yet she still thinks she's the queen. I don't get it.
Lindsey's lucky to be rid of her.
I can't imagine where she would be, had The Dance not have happened. She's really done nothing of worth, solo wise, since then.

And yet, it's all about her. She's a f**king pathetic human being now.

[jmn3]

I can't imagine where she would be, had The Dance not have happened. She's really done nothing of worth, solo wise, since then.

And yet, it's all about her. She's a f**king pathetic human being now.

Let’s face it, without The Dance, the five of them would be forgotten totally. Which is why it’s so preposterous and unthinkable that post-The Dance, any of the Rumours 5 would be fired and replaced in Fleetwood Mac.

[StreetAngel86]

4. AUS/NZ is selling more than well, because of Neil Finn, not because of Stevie. They never had so many dates in that area. And that's not because of Stevie.

i normally agree with you
but you are making up NONSENSE
Aussie shows always have abt 10 dates

this tour has 13
SYW had 11 shows
Unleashed (heap of junk tour) had 9 dates
OWTS had 13

i looked at tix for 2 days of each city/ all the 4 day shows
and tix aren't even remotely close to being sold out
in Melbourne especially, that is unheard of.
only the Saturday show is remotely close to being "sold out" and vaguely the Sat sydney show.

Neil would be more popular here than in the US definitely
but he ain't selling out any of these shows
and neither is Madam. :thumbsup:

[StreetAngel86]

The Buckingham Nicks shippers have modified their fantasies over the years. It started with Lindsey and Stevie being in love with each other, but being unable or unwilling to consummate it permanently because things were so hot. As it became obvious to all but the most obtuse weirdos that Lindsey and Stevie were NOT in love with each other—as she chased down women friends and professional stature and he got married and started his family—the story transmogrified. They were deeply passionate about each other, but not in an entirely sexual way. It was a spiritual bond, a "partnership" of souls, a meeting of minds, a personal and career support network, whatever. Of course, the two of them backed it all up by saying these things in print and onstage. (Meanwhile, neither of them ever picked up a phone and called the other during off-season.)

you forgot the psychos that think Stella (and / or LeeLee are) is Stevie's kid.

I was (am) a BN shipper ... a fairly sane one but I don't think EVERY SINGLE THING was always an act. I also don't think that they NEVER picked up a phone and called each other. there are many examples of Lindsey saying something that contradicted something Stevie said (and I'm pretty sure they ALWAYS had a sit down to get their faux stories straight). I mean, why make an issue out of how CLOSE you live to each other. and he spent WAY more time with her on IYD than she admitted to. and there's a whole bunch of other suss stuff that I just can't be bothered typing about coz i have sadly, stopped caring. :confused:

In my deepest of darkest delusions I would love for this all to be an "act" and that Lindsey (for whatever fkn RIDIC reason) agreed to x amount of monetary payment and slamming in the press and hate ... to "leave" the band so the focus on the "band" wasn't SnL and they could carry on being BN *outside* of the public eye.

but even this ex chiffon!head knows that Stevie is VERY "woke" despite the airy-fairy fake persona she exudes. and that deep down, she is ... let's face it, a duplicitous @ssHole

[button-lip]

i normally agree with you
but you are making up NONSENSE
Aussie shows always have abt 10 dates

this tour has 13
SYW had 11 shows
Unleashed (heap of junk tour) had 9 dates
OWTS had 13

i looked at tix for 2 days of each city/ all the 4 day shows
and tix aren't even remotely close to being sold out
in Melbourne especially, that is unheard of.
only the Saturday show is remotely close to being "sold out" and vaguely the Sat sydney show.

Neil would be more popular here than in the US definitely
but he ain't selling out any of these shows
and neither is Madam. :thumbsup:

This tour has 17, not 13. Not much nonsense here.

And don’t underestimate Neil’s fans.

[Street_Dreamer]

I can't imagine where she would be, had The Dance not have happened. She's really done nothing of worth, solo wise, since then.

And yet, it's all about her. She's a f**king pathetic human being now.

She hasn't done anything of worth solo wise since The Wild Heart album.

[FuzzyPlum]

This tour has 17, not 13. Not much nonsense here.

And don’t underestimate Neil’s fans.


Aus 13
NZ 4

Aus & NZ combined 17

Edit: I agree with you interest in Australia will have piqued due to Neil Finn's involvement. That they haven't sold out shows even with Finn in the band tells its own story.

[bombaysaffires]

you forgot the psychos that think Stella (and / or LeeLee are) is Stevie's kid.

I was (am) a BN shipper ... a fairly sane one but I don't think EVERY SINGLE THING was always an act. I also don't think that they NEVER picked up a phone and called each other. there are many examples of Lindsey saying something that contradicted something Stevie said (and I'm pretty sure they ALWAYS had a sit down to get their faux stories straight). I mean, why make an issue out of how CLOSE you live to each other. and he spent WAY more time with her on IYD than she admitted to. and there's a whole bunch of other suss stuff that I just can't be bothered typing about coz i have sadly, stopped caring. :confused:

In my deepest of darkest delusions I would love for this all to be an "act" and that Lindsey (for whatever fkn RIDIC reason) agreed to x amount of monetary payment and slamming in the press and hate ... to "leave" the band so the focus on the "band" wasn't SnL and they could carry on being BN *outside* of the public eye.

but even this ex chiffon!head knows that Stevie is VERY "woke" despite the airy-fairy fake persona she exudes. and that deep down, she is ... let's face it, a duplicitous @ssHole

Wow.......:eek:

[StreetAngel86]

This tour has 17, not 13. Not much nonsense here.

And don’t underestimate Neil’s fans.

there are THIRTEEN australian shows.
NZ is NOT part of Aus and nowhere did I mention NZ shows.
clue up before you try and school me.
i am talking about Australia NOT NZ because I don't live there.
I don't give a crap how many NZ shows there are.

he may aid in NZ shows but not in Australia
and even NZ isn't SOLD OUT. which, it should be because NF is just so great and what an asset to FM he is.

bombaysaffires ... sorry. i did say in my DARKEST of delusions :D

[Jondalar]

you forgot the psychos that think Stella (and / or LeeLee are) is Stevie's kid.

I was (am) a BN shipper ... a fairly sane one but I don't think EVERY SINGLE THING was always an act. I also don't think that they NEVER picked up a phone and called each other. there are many examples of Lindsey saying something that contradicted something Stevie said (and I'm pretty sure they ALWAYS had a sit down to get their faux stories straight). I mean, why make an issue out of how CLOSE you live to each other. and he spent WAY more time with her on IYD than she admitted to. and there's a whole bunch of other suss stuff that I just can't be bothered typing about coz i have sadly, stopped caring. :confused:

In my deepest of darkest delusions I would love for this all to be an "act" and that Lindsey (for whatever fkn RIDIC reason) agreed to x amount of monetary payment and slamming in the press and hate ... to "leave" the band so the focus on the "band" wasn't SnL and they could carry on being BN *outside* of the public eye.

but even this ex chiffon!head knows that Stevie is VERY "woke" despite the airy-fairy fake persona she exudes. and that deep down, she is ... let's face it, a duplicitous @ssHole

She’s conniving, always thinking about her career.

[button-lip]

there are THIRTEEN australian shows.
NZ is NOT part of Aus and nowhere did I mention NZ shows.
clue up before you try and school me.
i am talking about Australia NOT NZ because I don't live there.
I don't give a crap how many NZ shows there are.

he may aid in NZ shows but not in Australia
and even NZ isn't SOLD OUT. which, it should be because NF is just so great and what an asset to FM he is.

bombaysaffires ... sorry. i did say in my DARKEST of delusions :D

You didn’t mention NZ shows but I did. And you answered to my post about AUS/NZ shows, not only AUS shows. I was talking about both shows not only AUS shows, but you had to jump in and made it all about AUS. I don’t “give a crap” about any of those shows.

I have the slightest interest to “school you”. I don’t know you and honestly couldn’t care less.

[vivfox]

I don’t “give a crap” about any of those shows. I have the slightest interest to “school you”. I don’t know you and honestly couldn’t care less.

Ping-Pong:lol:

[michelej1]

bombaysaffires ... sorry. i did say in my DARKEST of delusions :D

I don't think SnL was all fake. But, at this point, that's cold comfort.

In my fantasy, they would all 5 care about each other and The Chain would be true. But they don't really care.

[jbrownsjr]

I don't think SnL was all fake. But, at this point, that's cold comfort.

In my fantasy, they would all 5 care about each other and The Chain would be true. But they don't really care.

You didn't mean to meet her you cry
Oh but the sun goes down every night
She came to you when you were alone
And yes she matters to you


that damn Carol...errrrr Kristen....

I may or may not have watched this soap opera and believed it, too. lol

[bombaysaffires]

I don't think SnL was all fake. But, at this point, that's cold comfort.

In my fantasy, they would all 5 care about each other and The Chain would be true. But they don't really care.

the one moment that didn't *seem* totally fake to me was her crying throughout Say Goodbye at the MGM Grand on the final night of the SYW tour. But I think it's just her getting caught up in that moment, and then snapping back to reality, which she did when it ended.

[elle]

the one moment that didn't *seem* totally fake to me was her crying throughout Say Goodbye at the MGM Grand on the final night of the SYW tour. But I think it's just her getting caught up in that moment, and then snapping back to reality, which she did when it ended.

i still think her crying then was about something or other completely different than whatever all fans speculate.


i find it highly amusing that the same people happy about not having to watch anymore fake Stevie-Lindsey interactions are also all too happy watching same interactions between Stevie and Neil. and the band exuding fake happiness. yet somehow, these people are buying the happiness and completely incredulous Stevie-Neil interactions that even reviewers are going wtf about. :lol::woohoo:

i also find it completely weird that while most of us, both Lindsey and Stevie fans, complained about stale setlists for FM shows and couldn't wait for solo shows of either for either new stuff or deep cuts, now some of those same Stevie fans are ecstatic seeing the same stale greatest hits set from Stevie, with even less of her songs and none of her deeper cuts, just a few covers thrown in. :shrug:

[HomerMcvie]

the one moment that didn't *seem* totally fake to me was her crying throughout Say Goodbye at the MGM Grand on the final night of the SYW tour. But I think it's just her getting caught up in that moment, and then snapping back to reality, which she did when it ended.

She's a drama queen, and, I believe, works that sh*t up just for the audience. They lap it up, and the old goat knows that.

If i'm thankful for ONE thing, it's that I NEVER have to watch that RIDICULOUS hand holding/ fake romance on stage again. It was pathetic. They only thing more pathetic is the morons who ate it up!

[David]

I don't think SnL was all fake. But, at this point, that's cold comfort.Since the Dance, it's been a combination of a little play that they do onstage during certain songs, like Landslide and the Chain, where they act out their little erotic glances and glares, and a genuine sense of musical and historical connection, and because that connection is so old, it can't help feeling deep and abiding (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-exHBjy3Egw).

But the next day when the concert's over and the stage lights are off, it's a cold splash of water when Lindsey pounds on the wall because you're playing your JT songs too loudly.

It's a fractious connection; it's like two powerful horses tethered together, both magnificent, but always trying to yank away from each other.

[elle]

Since the Dance, it's been a combination of a little play that they do onstage during certain songs, like Landslide and the Chain, where they act out their little erotic glances and glares, and a genuine sense of musical and historical connection, and because that connection is so old, it can't help feeling deep and abiding (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-exHBjy3Egw).

But the next day when the concert's over and the stage lights are off, it's a cold splash of water when Lindsey pounds on the wall because you're playing your JT songs too loudly.

It's a fractious connection; it's like two powerful horses tethered together, both magnificent, but always trying to yank away from each other.

you know, i'm always wondering about that one. the only story about that came Karen. she went out, there was a bang on the wall, and then Karen came back blaming it on Lindsey. do we even know Lindsey was really next door during that interview? :laugh::wavey:

[bombaysaffires]

Since the Dance, it's been a combination of a little play that they do onstage during certain songs, like Landslide and the Chain, where they act out their little erotic glances and glares, and a genuine sense of musical and historical connection, and because that connection is so old, it can't help feeling deep and abiding (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-exHBjy3Egw).

But the next day when the concert's over and the stage lights are off, it's a cold splash of water when Lindsey pounds on the wall because you're playing your JT songs too loudly.

It's a fractious connection; it's like two powerful horses tethered together, both magnificent, but always trying to yank away from each other.

except now she's acting it out with Neil, and that's just totally mucked up.

In fact, she's be re-enacting the Landslide performance from The Dance with any guitar player she can find. That has always grossed me out.

[button-lip]

except now she's acting it out with Neil, and that's just totally mucked up.

In fact, she's be re-enacting the Landslide performance from The Dance with any guitar player she can find. That has always grossed me out.

It only shows what a fantastic liar she is. She sold the stupid idea of how special Landslide is because it’s about Lindsey and she wrote if for him. But she has no problem playing it with anybody she can find and dedicating it to anybody but him on this tour.

That only shows how much she despises him.

[button-lip]

the one moment that didn't *seem* totally fake to me was her crying throughout Say Goodbye at the MGM Grand on the final night of the SYW tour. But I think it's just her getting caught up in that moment, and then snapping back to reality, which she did when it ended.

Everything seem fake to me now. I can’t believe a word that comes out of her mouth ever again. Even if she fake a stupid forgiveness to Lindsey, I won’t believe her.

[SteveMacD]

i find it highly amusing that the same people happy about not having to watch anymore fake Stevie-Lindsey interactions are also all too happy watching same interactions between Stevie and Neil.

except now she's acting it out with Neil

Just remember that it has always only been an act. Fleetwood Mac long ago stopped being a real band and became more like a Broadway musical.

For the record, I could easily live without Landslide or any of the other fake interactions.

[bombaysaffires]

It only shows what a fantastic liar she is. She sold the stupid idea of how special Landslide is because it’s about Lindsey and she wrote if for him. But she has no problem playing it with anybody she can find and dedicating it to anybody but him on this tour.

That only shows how much she despises him.

well what I hate is the whole posing onstage the exact same way--- the guitarist standing where LB stood, her looking over at whoever it is in the same way she turned to LB during the recorded show, the whole frigging thing.:distress:

[bombaysaffires]

Just remember that it has always only been an act. Fleetwood Mac long ago stopped being a real band and became more like a Broadway musical.

For the record, I could easily live without Landslide or any of the other fake interactions.

yes, that's a very good way of putting it :eek:

[lovethemac1]

well what I hate is the whole posing onstage the exact same way--- the guitarist standing where LB stood, her looking over at whoever it is in the same way she turned to LB during the recorded show, the whole frigging thing.:distress:

Remember that the woman we are dealing with here is the same one that has worn THE. SAME. CLOTHES. for how many years? Whether it's her on stage costumes, or the off stage-cold shoulder top-nothing changes with her.

Who knows why, but she probably only knows those scripted moves for each song. For instance, someone surely has told her the crack head dance is utterly ridiculous and embarrassing. Then again, maybe not??:shrug::shrug:

[michelej1]

Since the Dance, it's been a combination of a little play that they do onstage during certain songs, like Landslide and the Chain, where they act out their little erotic glances and glares, and a genuine sense of musical and historical connection, and because that connection is so old, it can't help feeling deep and abiding (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-exHBjy3Egw).

But the next day when the concert's over and the stage lights are off, it's a cold splash of water when Lindsey pounds on the wall because you're playing your JT songs too loudly.

It's a fractious connection; it's like two powerful horses tethered together, both magnificent, but always trying to yank away from each other.

Yeah, you were on a stage somewhere with this same person in 1968. That has got to make you feel something, even if it’s not deep and abiding love.

Now, I don’t think I have ever seen them look at each other erotically, but looks of understanding, synchronicity, even though if it’s just about stage cues.

Then, they step off stage and it’s over.

When the stage is dead and empty
And the band had all gone home
When the lights go out what's it
All about sitting there on your own.

[StreetAngel86]

i still think her crying then was about something or other completely different than whatever all fans speculate.



i don't think she was crying about anything related to the song or the moment either. but i don't like watching that video and refuse to because i think that's one of the only 100% genuine moments they had.

and the Wiltern stuff seemed pretty sincere
though, if any of you were there and feel differently, please expound

[iamnotafraid]

It's a fractious connection; it's like two powerful horses tethered together, both magnificent, but always trying to yank away from each other.

More like a tug of war. You always put the
heaviest person on the end. Stevie's side won.

[michelej1]

except now she's acting it out with Neil, and that's just totally mucked up.

In fact, she's be re-enacting the Landslide performance from The Dance with any guitar player she can find. That has always grossed me out.

Now you have me envisioning a grizzled street corner guitarist, hoping that passersby will toss a few bills into the open case at his feet, when all of a sudden Stevie Reeboks up on him and tries to share a Landslide moment.

[lovethemac1]

Now you have me envisioning a grizzled street corner guitarist, hoping that passersby will toss a few bills into the open case at his feet, when all of a sudden Stevie Reeboks up on him and tries to share a Landslide moment.

Hahahahaha, :laugh: now that's really funny!! :lol::lol::lol:

Stevie goes all Steven Tyler!!!!!!!

[joeydemento]

Everyone is so eager to burn the witch. maybe if Lindsey had just beaten her more or choked her out more or taken even more credit for her songs than he does already.....she wouldn't be so quick to react. I love LB, he's a genius. but he is a ****ing dick. He's a very talented man, but an asshole.
and frankly, the 3 brits could have said , "Stevie STFU! Calm down, oi!"
They are not that stupid to be bullied by her. They want the cash. I doubt John wanted to deal with him anymore. Mick has always been a hypocritical reactionary drama queen. he loves this ****.
she probably regrets it, but mid-tour you want her to be like , "i am sorry my voiceless, abusive ex lover. i caused yr hereditary cardiac issues! i told the doc to give you a tracheotomy so that you would have a voice like mine.....devoid of tone or warmth......this tour is a mistake, please forgive me America ....please go away you other two. you will never be my Lindsey...." give me a break. and who really wants buck/nicks remastered and finally released. LB would tweak and make it sound like ****. their tv appearances would be embarrassing.
he is a woman beater who refused to support his woman. he just wanted to play his guitar, hang out with waddy or olsen and talk about pussy while his old lady slung tables and scrubbed toilets. and then he wanted to **** around. "why can't the bitch accept that?? stevie take off yr shirt and show some titties! that sells records.....bitch".
sorry for the swearing.

[button-lip]

Nice way of wasting their 6th post in 8 years.

They’re all self absorb idiots.... but Stevie is a Queen. And a victim.

[iamnotafraid]

...

but Stevie is a Queen. And a victim.



You're a mean one, Stevie Nicks.
You really are a heel.

You're as cuddly as a cactus,
You're as charming as an eel.
Stevie Nicks

You're a bad banana with a greasy black peel.

You're a monster, Stevie Nicks.
Your hearts an empty hole.

Your brain is full of spiders,
You've got garlic in your soul,
Stevie Nicks.

I wouldn't touch you with a
thirty-nine-and-a-half-foot-poll...

You're a vile one, Stevie Nicks.
You have termites in your smile.

You have all the tender sweetness of a
seasick crocodile, Stevie Nicks.

Given the choice between the two of you,
I'd take the seasick crocodile.

You're a foul one, Stevie Nicks.
You're a nasty, wasty skunk.

Your heart is full of unwashed socks,
Your soul if full of gunk, Stevie Nicks.

The three words that best describe you
are as follows, and I quote:
"Stink, Stank, Stunk."

You're a rotter, Stevie Nicks.
You're the queen of sinful sots.

Your hearts a dead tomato splot,
with moldy purple spots, Stevie Nicks.

Your soul is an appalling dump heap overflowing
with the most disgraceful assortment of deplorable
rubbish imaginable, mangled up in tangled up knots.

You nauseate me, Stevie Nicks.
With a nauseaus super-naus.

You're a crooked jerky jockey
and you drive a crooked horse, Stevie Nicks.

You're a three decker saurkraut and toadstool
sandwich, with arsenic sauce.

[bombaysaffires]

You're a mean one, Stevie Nicks.
You really are a heel.

You're as cuddly as a cactus,
You're as charming as an eel.
Stevie Nicks

You're a bad banana with a greasy black peel.

You're a monster, Stevie Nicks.
Your hearts an empty hole.

Your brain is full of spiders,
You've got garlic in your soul,
Stevie Nicks.

I wouldn't touch you with a
thirty-nine-and-a-half-foot-poll...

You're a vile one, Stevie Nicks.
You have termites in your smile.

You have all the tender sweetness of a
seasick crocodile, Stevie Nicks.

Given the choice between the two of you,
I'd take the seasick crocodile.

You're a foul one, Stevie Nicks.
You're a nasty, wasty skunk.

Your heart is full of unwashed socks,
Your soul if full of gunk, Stevie Nicks.

The three words that best describe you
are as follows, and I quote:
"Stink, Stank, Stunk."

You're a rotter, Stevie Nicks.
You're the queen of sinful sots.

Your hearts a dead tomato splot,
with moldy purple spots, Stevie Nicks.

Your soul is an appalling dump heap overflowing
with the most disgraceful assortment of deplorable
rubbish imaginable, mangled up in tangled up knots.

You nauseate me, Stevie Nicks.
With a nauseaus super-naus.

You're a crooked jerky jockey
and you drive a crooked horse, Stevie Nicks.

You're a three decker saurkraut and toadstool
sandwich, with arsenic sauce.




AWE.SOME. :eek:

[BombaySapphire3]

AWE.SOME. :eek:

Yeah..except the Grinch had a fit of conscious and was able to redeem himself in the end .I don't see that happening here:shrug:

[wayner]

there is nothing she can do

RIP Fleetwood Mac

[wayner]

Was that from David MN ??

I saw him in Wembley 2009 and the Beacon for a Lindsey Concert

RIP Fleetwood Mac

[BombaySapphire3]

Was that from David MN ??

I saw him in Wembley 2009 and the Beacon for a Lindsey Concert

RIP Fleetwood Mac

Nah it's David from El Lay.

[HomerMcvie]

Was that from David MN ??

I saw him in Wembley 2009 and the Beacon for a Lindsey Concert

RIP Fleetwood Mac

I'm not exactly sure to which post you are referring?

David MN was banned here, a long time ago. I don't remember the deets, only that he was.

[Nicks Fan]

David MN attacked me once on FB for no good reason. Just messaged out of the blue and said some nasty **** then told me to F - OFF. I blocked him and haven't had anything to with him since. This was around 2015.

[elle]

https://www.mcall.com/entertainment/lehigh-valley-music/mc-ent-fleetwood-mac-review-wells-fargo-philadelphia-20190323-story.html

REVIEW: Fleetwood Mac's farewell tour at Wells Fargo Center is great goodbye, bedeviled by details

PHOTO GALLERY: Fleetwood Mac's farewell tour at Philadelphia's Wells Fargo Center

John J. Moser John J. MoserContact Reporter
Of The Morning Call

First the distant view of Fleetwood Mac’s performance at Philadelphia’s Wells Fargo Center on Friday, on what the group says is its farewell tour.

The show was a two-hour-and-five-minute evening of 21 songs that included 13 of Fleetwood Mac’s Top 20 hits – virtually all of which held up as timeless music. It also played, as would be expected on a farewell tour, tunes from throughout its 52 years as a band and some interesting additions.

And it put each band member in the spotlight.

But the devil was in the details, as they say.

Up closer, singer/guitarist/songwriter Lindsey Buckingham, who was fired from the band for resisting plans for the tour (and who was since incapacitated by open-heart surgery) was badly missed multiple times, especially on some signature songs. It showed how much Buckingham meant to the band.

Despite that, there was no mention of Buckingham at all through the entire night.

Replacement guitarist Mike Campbell of Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers was a fine player, but never quite captured what Buckingham added to his songs, and was badly under-used for half the show.

Much the same could be said for vocal replacement Neil Finn of Crowded House, who in some instances clearly tried to replicate Buckingham but fell short.

The democratization of the spotlight also occasionally gave the show a stilted, trying-too-hard feel.

The show opened with “The Chain” – among seven songs from the band’s most successful album, 1977’s “Rumours,” and the only tune credited to all its members. It was as if the band was making the statement that, despite Buckingham’s absence, it was still an unbroken chain.

It was the first song on which Finn clearly tried to approximate Buckingham’s voice and Campbell tried to display his playing chops. Both were good, but not Buckingham. His vocals were especially missed on “Second Hand News.”

The show was loaded with hits from the start: “Little Lies” and “Say You Love Me” featuring Christine McVie on vocals and the huge hits “Dreams” and “Rhiannon” featuring Stevie Nicks.

Both vocalists sounded diminished, or at least tentative; Nicks singing in a noticeably lower range and in a much broader voice rather than her nuanced 2016 performance at Sands Bethlehem Event Center.

She was in better voice on “Gypsy,” actually hitting high notes, and got a huge cheer for a simple twirl in her lacy black dress, but even Buckingham’s echoed vocals were missed in that song. And Campbell played the distinctive Buckingham guitar chimes, but not as well.

McVie took center stage to sing “Everywhere,” which a third of the way through was the song that to that point best captured the entire essence of Fleetwood Mac.

But, as was the case through much of the night the songs were just so good they were very enjoyable – though not always as deserving of the lavish response the nearly sold-out ground showered on them.

Ironically, even with two guitarists replacing Buckingham, it was an added guitarist (extra keyboardist, percussionist and two singers also were added) who played the guitar line on “Little Lies.”

Six songs into the set, Campbell – strangely sidelined to that point – had a chance to cut loose on “Black Magic Woman,” which was a hit for Carlos Santana but originally a Fleetwood Mac song from the band’s Peter Green era.

Later, Campbell had even more space on Green’s 1969 tour de force “Oh Well,” and Campbell took it – and wailed.

In recognition of Finn’s career, he played a solo acoustic version of his Crowded House hit “Don’t Dream It’s Over” that was a great song, but an odd fit for Fleetwood Mac – a point brought home when Nick joined him at the end and showed it was the wrong song for her.

But the pair’s performance of “Landslide” was among the best songs of the show, with Nicks holding a long, long note at the end to great cheers.

“Hold Me” and “Monday Morning” were two more songs that were great – the former another highlight of the show -- but were weaker without Buckingham’s voice. But Campbell’s guitar shined on both.

Drummer Mick Fleetwood was given the spotlight for a 10-minute solo and spotlight on the early (1975) “World Turning,” and while he owned it – even stepping out from behind the kit to play a bongo center stage – it felt a bit obligatory.

Christine McVie and Nicks each got the spotlight late in the show – McVie on “You Make Loving Fun,” which was payed tougher than the original and on which Campbell ripped and Nicks on her showcase: a 12-minute, foreboding and ominous version of “Gold Dust Woman.”

That song featured by far Nicks’ best singing as, donning a gold shawl, she wailed and spit lyrics. And it was hard not to think she was talking to Buckingham when she forcefully sang, “Can’t take me down/Can’t shake me.”

It made it obvious that the show could have been far more Nicks-centric, and perhaps would have been better for it (the show skipped her great songs “Sara” and “Seven Wonders”). But the group clearly made the effort that it not be.

And it was especially hard not to hear the song that closed the main set, “Go Your Own Way,” as being directed at Buckingham – although it was ironic that it was his song and was among the ones that most missed his vocals.

The encore opened with the acknowledgement of Campbell on Petty’s “Free Fallin’,” with Nicks on vocals and Campbell recreating his guitar part as a photo montage flashed behind them. It was a great version, but ironically also missed the original vocalist – Petty. (Also, a better choice might have been the Nicks/Petty duets “Stop Draggin’ My Heart Around,” on which Campbell also played.)

And the night ended with what Christine McVie called “a little-known Fleetwood Mac song” – “All Over Again,” a 1995 deep cut sung by her and Nicks that McVie said was “about seeing changes and … celebrating it.”

It was a nod to all the changes Fleetwood Mac has been though in its career – including the latest one with Buckingham, and the band’s stated finale.

But the night’s penultimate song may have been the true statement of Fleetwood Mac. It was another “Rumours” hit that has propelled the band over the past 40 years: “Don’t Stop.”

And one couldn’t help but wonder whether Fleetwood Mac ever really will.

The band already is coming back to Wells Fargo Center on April 5.

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Twitter @johnjmoser

[button-lip]

….. Is he gone?.... :laugh::laugh:

I don't know why this guy is calling this tour their "farewell tour". I hope he does a better job with his review on the next show.
Nicks has been saying "Can't take me down/Can't shake me" even with Lindsey on the band. :laugh::laugh:

But he clearly missed Lindsey so I give him a :thumbsup:

[secret love]

….. Is he gone?.... :laugh::laugh:

I don't know why this guy is calling this tour their "farewell tour". I hope he does a better job with his review on the next show.
Nicks has been saying "Can't take me down/Can't shake me" even with Lindsey on the band. :laugh::laugh:

But he clearly missed Lindsey so I give him a :thumbsup:

Nobody missed Mick and John on BuckVie tour. Or did they?

[SteveMacD]

Nobody missed Mick and John on BuckVie tour. Or did they?

I did. Jimmy and Federico are great, but they’re not Mick and John.

[iamnotafraid]

David MN was banned here, a long time ago. I don't remember the deets, only that he was.

I remember reading his last post. He let Michele have
it. And then he was gone, gone, gone.

[iamnotafraid]

AWE.SOME. :eek:

Glad you liked my Stevie Nicks song.