Lindsey hospitalized for emergency heart surgery

[elle]

Thank you Kristen for saying what I have been thinking and saying the entire time. Mixed feelings? Bullsh*t! She was trying to be nice with saying that. Its beyond words they would dare say anything about him. They cut him off for 10 million greedy dollars. Any one of them could have stopped it. They pushed him off the ship with no life preserver and ignored him for money. Its so wrong to send messages from the band to Lindsey's wife for approval or disapproval. Fleetwood Mac members are horrible people. Stop it. I get exactly what Kristen feels.

i think you are interpreting Kristen's tweets the way that may or may not necessarily be the way she meant. i can see at least 3-4 different meanings to that tweet, and none of them are in line with your interpretations. so i wouldn't go overboard insisting on being right.

i have no idea what you mean by sending "messages from the band to Lindsey's wife for approval or disapproval." i didn't see anyone doing that. :confused:

there's more from KB, hugely gracious:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you for your reply. I have been made aware that your comment was not aimed at one person. I apologise for my lack of understanding. Best wishes and love to you and Lindsey x</p>&mdash; Marie D Judd K������ (@mdjk_1967) <a href="https://twitter.com/mdjk_1967/status/1095482906489704448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 13, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[MikeInNV]

Good lort, $he really is dumber than a bag of hammers.

Her post wasn't referring to Stevie.

[MikeInNV]

Amen. 20 ish years ago, $he had some psycho named B*ll Gamels*n(I'm always discreet enough to not get sued, lol), that was a major stalker for her old goatness. I only remember because I saved a pic of him skydiving with a license plate with her name on it. I believe they had to get a restraining order against him.


FWIW, he's still around and not acting much differently.

[Aussie W/Heart]

FWIW, he's still around and not acting much differently.

Yes he went to jail in January over the threats he made to Stevie & her family.
So currently another restraining order has been placed on him. A day before their Phoenix show the venue was warned by a fellow Aussie & also the band after i contacted Denis Dunstan he lives down the road from me.
Yep BG is a real nutcase!!

[HomerMcvie]

Yes he went to jail in the screensaverJanuary over the threats he made to Stevie & her family.
So currently another restraining order has been placed on him. A day before their Phoenix show the venue was warned by a fellow Aussie & also the band after i contacted Denis Dunstan he lives down the road from me.
Yep BG is a real nutcase!!

He was long forgotten in my mind, but I recently got a new computer, and loaded all those old pics, and set them as my "slide show" screen saver. Stupid ledge pics I hadn't thought of for years.

[BombaySapphire3]

Yes he went to jail in January over the threats he made to Stevie & her family.


He threatened to euthanize one of her 18 year old Yorkies:shrug:

[HomerMcvie]

He threatened to euthanize one of her 18 year old Yorkies:shrug:

Now that's crazy AF.

IDK why anyone cares about that dried up old shrew.

The former, not the latter. :wavey:

[jbrownsjr]

I wonder if $tevie runs around dancing and laughing in her home singing, Blame it on me Blame it on me Blame it on me..

[Jondalar]

Who is she going to hex next?

[BombaySapphire3]

Who is she going to hex next?

Maybe the orange one:shrug:then all would be forgiven.

[secondhandchain]

Any respect I had left for Christine is GONE. What an awful article.

FLEETWOOD MAC'S CHRISTINE MCVIE ON 'AMERICAN HORROR STORY', PLAYING WEMBLEY, AND POTENTIAL NEW MUSIC
"I don't see any reason why we can't do another tour and make another record."

With a 50-year legacy of friendship, fallouts and iconic folk-rock hits, the Fleetwood Mac story is as epic as they come in music.


Over the years band members Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Christine McVie, Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks have married, divorced, made up, fallen out, and continued to release some of the most defining pop hits of the last century - and the drama hasn't waned now most of them are in their seventies.

Disagreements over current world tour 'An Evening with Fleetwood Mac' led to Buckingham's sacking from the group in April last year, with the guitarist and vocalist settling a lawsuit against his former bandmates in December.

Talk of that lawsuit is strictly off-limits as Attitude meets Christine McVie ahead of Fleetwood Mac's two planned dates at Wembley Stadium this June, but the British-born singer is a characteristically open book when it comes to discussing the legacy of a band that has defined her life since 1970.

Despite standing as the (relative) calm at the centre of the Fleetwood Mac storm, McVie has had plenty her own ups and downs during the course of her career, most notably retiring from the group in 1998 for 16 long years after developing a debilitating phobia of flying.



Since rejoining the group onstage at Wembley in 2014 McVie hasn't looked back however, and as the 75-year-old songstrees discusses eveything from Fleetwood Mac's unlikely inclusion in American Horror Story to why the popularity of her signature track 'Songbird' has been both a blessing and a curse, it's clear she's having the time of her life...


You've had a bit of a break from touring over the last few weeks - do you feel fully rested and recuperated?

Ha! Well, I was over in England - I live in London - and I've just moved into a new house, so I can't say that it was a particularly restful time, because you know when you move house, that's pretty stressful.

That does seem like a bit of an undertaking during a year-long world tour!

[laughs] I mean at least it's my forever home so I'm very happy there. But glad to be back on the road again.

How are you finding being on tour this time around?

We've had an unbelievable time. I mean, you probably know that Lindsey's no longer in the band, and Mick… I don't know how he does it, [he] manages to find the right people at the right time, and we now have Neil Finn from Crowded House and Mike Campbell who was in Tom Petty [and the Heartbreakers] - great guitar player - and these guys are so talented and they fit in so well with what we're doing. It's created a real buzz over here [in the US], it's unbelievable. It's a bloody great show, it really is. We're all loving it, loving it!



It must be quite intimidating for Neil and Mike to suddenly join band with such a massive legacy.

Well they come with their own pedigree, you know? They're great artists with huge hits in other bands, so they were fairly confident. They were nervous I think, to begin with, but now it's phenomenal. They're having a ball up there. We all are.

Just how different is day-to-day life on the road now compared to the '70s and '80s?

Life on the road now is a lot more sober than it was back then. There were an awful lot of drugs flying around back then in the '80s. We live quite comfortably and we can't do a show every night because we're all a bit too old, so we have to be a bit selective about how many gigs we do a week. As we get a couple of days off here and there to rest the weary bones, we're just having so much fun. It's probably the most rewarding time of my touring life ever, I think.

You've talked about how one of the main reasons for your hiatus from the band was your fear of flying - is that something you're still having to contend with?

No, no – well, I went in for treatment to cure my fear of flying. I was stuck in England and the only way I could go anywhere was by boat or train, so that was a bit limiting to say the least! [chuckles] And of course I wanted to travel. I ended up booking a ticket to see Mick, who lives in Maui, Hawaii, and ironically he phoned me up and said 'Chris, I'm coming to London, are you going to be around?!' And I said 'I bought a ticket to come and see you!' So he said 'Well wait for me to come over and we'll fly back there together.' And I swear to God, I've never thought about [my fear of] flying again. I fly to Africa, I've been on tiny planes, landing on airstrips with wildebeest [on them]... I embrace flying. And we travel in two small planes, the band, we don't all go in one big plane, and it's a painless thing, thank God.

You're performing two nights at Wembley in June - how much does it mean to you as a Brit performing in front of a home crowd?

It's phenomenal, just phenomenal. Especially as [London's] my home town. Even though I did spend 30 years in the US I've always been an Englo-phile, or whatever they call them. I always miss my roots and that's why I'm happy to be living back in London again. As much as I love travelling and I love Malibu, it's such a joy for me, Heathrow Airport. [chuckles] That runway, I go 'Ah, I'm home'. Whatever kind of mess [Britain’s] in, I love it.



Well that does come in useful on a tour like this.

It does come in handy, yeah!

Of course fans at a show like 'An Evening with Fleetwood Mac' are going to want to hear the classics, but for you as a performer are there any particular songs you still relish playing live, or perhaps dread?

Well you've got to remember you're performing to new people every night, so you have to pretend to yourself that you're playing it for the first time. You play it with as much vigour, and it's always slightly different each night. You aim to make it the best gig [yet]. We set our goals quite high in this band, we really want to be the best we can be. I think 'Songbird' was one song I got a bit tired of doing, and in the show at the moment we don't do that at the end - Stevie and I do a little duet, which is really sweet. But 'Songbird' isn't off the plans, we might do it in England, I don't know. But all the other songs I adore.

'Songbird' is probably the song you've had most critical acclaim for over the years - are there others you look at and say 'I want that to be my legacy as a songwriter?'

I suppose there are a few really, but I think 'Songbird' has to be the one, because that's the one I wrote in half an hour.

I'm always floored when I hear that.

Me too! I wish they could all be that easy. [laughs] I had the words, the melody, everything. And guess what I didn't have? A tape recorder! I had to stay up all night and keep playing it so I could call an engineer first thing in the morning to let me go in and put it on tape so I wouldn't forget it.



Thank God you did, there'd be a lot of very disappointed people if you hadn't.

Well I would've been the most disappointed, because nobody else would have heard it! But there are quite a few songs obviously that I love; 'You Make Loving Fun', 'Oh Daddy'… We have a such a big catalogue of songs that for different reasons are just wonderful songs.

People say that a lot of the magic of Fleetwood Mac's song writing came down to the emotional turmoil you were going through, be it relationships, drugs... Is it harder to find that inspiration now you’re in a better place in your life emotionally?

I'm too happy to write songs now! [But] I can get [still] there, I work well under pressure. If someone said to me 'We're doing an EP, we're putting it out in March', I could probably do it. But if I'm not under any particular pressure or heartache, I don't do so good. I have to be involved in love to write love songs.

There's been a lot of talk of new Fleetwood Mac material over the last few years, and obviously you had your joint album with Lindsay a couple of years ago - are you guys working on fresh material?

With the new band? No not yet. There are a couple of songs we've had in mind with Neil, and he seems like he'll be easy to work with, but we're not thinking about a new record… yet. This world tour is going to take most of the year. Maybe next year. Nobody's made any decisions about that yet.



This definitely isn't a farewell tour then?

Oh I don't think so. We never say never, this band. I think as long as we're all vertical and we've got our health I don't see any reason why we can't do another tour and make another record. I can see no reason why not.

In the last few years we've seen shows from Glee to American Horror Story bring Fleetwood Mac’s music to a fresh audience - did you catch any of those episodes, and do keep abreast of the ways your music continues to influence popular culture?

Only to a degree. I just hear all the time from generations where their parents play Fleetwood Mac albums at home and the kids pick it up. They're 12, 13, 14 years of age and they come to see us, and they're right there by the stage, these kids that know all the songs. Stevie is an icon and gets involved in a lot more things than I do, so she's probably helping to keep the Fleetwood Mac legacy alive with all these things that she loves to do. I tend to be a bit more private. You know, I go to Waitrose and do my shopping on my own!

So we won't be seeing you as a singing witch with Stevie on American Horror Story any time soon?

Hey, if I was offered I may not say no - I've never been asked! I don't know if it's really my strength, or my cup of tea. We'd have to see...



I think a lot of people would love to see that duo on screen...

Well, suggest it to the producers!

The campaign starts here!

[Sceptically] The campaign starts here, right... [laughs]

Finally, if you could hop in a time machine right now and re-live one era of Fleetwood Mac, when would it be?

Oh, it would have to be the '70s... It would have to be when Rumours came out. The excitement, the buzz of realising you've written one of the best albums ever written; we were just flying high off that knowledge. And every week it was number one in the charts, for about a year. We flip-flopped with The Eagles and Hotel California. But it was just a phenomenal time. Too many drugs, too much alcohol, but that was a crazy, crazy year. That era was unbelievable. But having said that, I'm really enjoying what we're doing now, most of all...

[aleuzzi]

^^^^@secondhandchain:

That is a sad article for a few reasons but what makes me most frustrated is the confirmation that no new music is forthcoming from this band. Notice Christine hinted that she’d be totally into recording an EP and that she loves writing songs. But Stevie’s and (presumably Mick’s) insistence on touring into next year frustrates that.

I really want another CM/LB record but she is hitching her wagon to this train wreck of a band. She’s 75. How many more years does she have to record the new songs she wants to write and sing? Instead of saying “I already have enough $ and want the last phase of my career to be vibrant and creative” she is opting for more money.

[elle]

Any respect I had left for Christine is GONE. What an awful article.

FLEETWOOD MAC'S CHRISTINE MCVIE ON 'AMERICAN HORROR STORY', PLAYING WEMBLEY, AND POTENTIAL NEW MUSIC

same. what a spineless self-centered person! no balls or concerns whatsoever. just toe the company line. and lets Lindsey do all her dirty work for her.

i know this interview must have been done before the surgery but this just tells you so much anyway. with friends like this who needs enemies?

[elle]

That is a sad article for a few reasons but what makes me most frustrated is the confirmation that no new music is forthcoming from this band. Notice Christine hinted that she’d be totally into recording an EP and that she loves writing songs. But Stevie’s and (presumably Mick’s) insistence on touring into next year frustrates that.

I really want another CM/LB record but she is hitching her wagon to this train wreck of a band. She’s 75. How many more years does she have to record the new songs she wants to write and sing? Instead of saying “I already have enough $ and want the last phase of my career to be vibrant and creative” she is opting for more money.

maybe there will be. it would probably kill LB, so they just might do it!

[Storms123]

Any respect I had left for Christine is GONE. What an awful article.

FLEETWOOD MAC'S CHRISTINE MCVIE ON 'AMERICAN HORROR STORY', PLAYING WEMBLEY, AND POTENTIAL NEW MUSIC
"I don't see any reason why we can't do another tour and make another record."

With a 50-year legacy of friendship, fallouts and iconic folk-rock hits, the Fleetwood Mac story is as epic as they come in music.


Over the years band members Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Christine McVie, Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks have married, divorced, made up, fallen out, and continued to release some of the most defining pop hits of the last century - and the drama hasn't waned now most of them are in their seventies.

Disagreements over current world tour 'An Evening with Fleetwood Mac' led to Buckingham's sacking from the group in April last year, with the guitarist and vocalist settling a lawsuit against his former bandmates in December.

Talk of that lawsuit is strictly off-limits as Attitude meets Christine McVie ahead of Fleetwood Mac's two planned dates at Wembley Stadium this June, but the British-born singer is a characteristically open book when it comes to discussing the legacy of a band that has defined her life since 1970.

Despite standing as the (relative) calm at the centre of the Fleetwood Mac storm, McVie has had plenty her own ups and downs during the course of her career, most notably retiring from the group in 1998 for 16 long years after developing a debilitating phobia of flying.



Since rejoining the group onstage at Wembley in 2014 McVie hasn't looked back however, and as the 75-year-old songstrees discusses eveything from Fleetwood Mac's unlikely inclusion in American Horror Story to why the popularity of her signature track 'Songbird' has been both a blessing and a curse, it's clear she's having the time of her life...


You've had a bit of a break from touring over the last few weeks - do you feel fully rested and recuperated?

Ha! Well, I was over in England - I live in London - and I've just moved into a new house, so I can't say that it was a particularly restful time, because you know when you move house, that's pretty stressful.

That does seem like a bit of an undertaking during a year-long world tour!

[laughs] I mean at least it's my forever home so I'm very happy there. But glad to be back on the road again.

How are you finding being on tour this time around?

We've had an unbelievable time. I mean, you probably know that Lindsey's no longer in the band, and Mick… I don't know how he does it, [he] manages to find the right people at the right time, and we now have Neil Finn from Crowded House and Mike Campbell who was in Tom Petty [and the Heartbreakers] - great guitar player - and these guys are so talented and they fit in so well with what we're doing. It's created a real buzz over here [in the US], it's unbelievable. It's a bloody great show, it really is. We're all loving it, loving it!



It must be quite intimidating for Neil and Mike to suddenly join band with such a massive legacy.

Well they come with their own pedigree, you know? They're great artists with huge hits in other bands, so they were fairly confident. They were nervous I think, to begin with, but now it's phenomenal. They're having a ball up there. We all are.

Just how different is day-to-day life on the road now compared to the '70s and '80s?

Life on the road now is a lot more sober than it was back then. There were an awful lot of drugs flying around back then in the '80s. We live quite comfortably and we can't do a show every night because we're all a bit too old, so we have to be a bit selective about how many gigs we do a week. As we get a couple of days off here and there to rest the weary bones, we're just having so much fun. It's probably the most rewarding time of my touring life ever, I think.

You've talked about how one of the main reasons for your hiatus from the band was your fear of flying - is that something you're still having to contend with?

No, no – well, I went in for treatment to cure my fear of flying. I was stuck in England and the only way I could go anywhere was by boat or train, so that was a bit limiting to say the least! [chuckles] And of course I wanted to travel. I ended up booking a ticket to see Mick, who lives in Maui, Hawaii, and ironically he phoned me up and said 'Chris, I'm coming to London, are you going to be around?!' And I said 'I bought a ticket to come and see you!' So he said 'Well wait for me to come over and we'll fly back there together.' And I swear to God, I've never thought about [my fear of] flying again. I fly to Africa, I've been on tiny planes, landing on airstrips with wildebeest [on them]... I embrace flying. And we travel in two small planes, the band, we don't all go in one big plane, and it's a painless thing, thank God.

You're performing two nights at Wembley in June - how much does it mean to you as a Brit performing in front of a home crowd?

It's phenomenal, just phenomenal. Especially as [London's] my home town. Even though I did spend 30 years in the US I've always been an Englo-phile, or whatever they call them. I always miss my roots and that's why I'm happy to be living back in London again. As much as I love travelling and I love Malibu, it's such a joy for me, Heathrow Airport. [chuckles] That runway, I go 'Ah, I'm home'. Whatever kind of mess [Britain’s] in, I love it.



Well that does come in useful on a tour like this.

It does come in handy, yeah!

Of course fans at a show like 'An Evening with Fleetwood Mac' are going to want to hear the classics, but for you as a performer are there any particular songs you still relish playing live, or perhaps dread?

Well you've got to remember you're performing to new people every night, so you have to pretend to yourself that you're playing it for the first time. You play it with as much vigour, and it's always slightly different each night. You aim to make it the best gig [yet]. We set our goals quite high in this band, we really want to be the best we can be. I think 'Songbird' was one song I got a bit tired of doing, and in the show at the moment we don't do that at the end - Stevie and I do a little duet, which is really sweet. But 'Songbird' isn't off the plans, we might do it in England, I don't know. But all the other songs I adore.

'Songbird' is probably the song you've had most critical acclaim for over the years - are there others you look at and say 'I want that to be my legacy as a songwriter?'

I suppose there are a few really, but I think 'Songbird' has to be the one, because that's the one I wrote in half an hour.

I'm always floored when I hear that.

Me too! I wish they could all be that easy. [laughs] I had the words, the melody, everything. And guess what I didn't have? A tape recorder! I had to stay up all night and keep playing it so I could call an engineer first thing in the morning to let me go in and put it on tape so I wouldn't forget it.



Thank God you did, there'd be a lot of very disappointed people if you hadn't.

Well I would've been the most disappointed, because nobody else would have heard it! But there are quite a few songs obviously that I love; 'You Make Loving Fun', 'Oh Daddy'… We have a such a big catalogue of songs that for different reasons are just wonderful songs.

People say that a lot of the magic of Fleetwood Mac's song writing came down to the emotional turmoil you were going through, be it relationships, drugs... Is it harder to find that inspiration now you’re in a better place in your life emotionally?

I'm too happy to write songs now! [But] I can get [still] there, I work well under pressure. If someone said to me 'We're doing an EP, we're putting it out in March', I could probably do it. But if I'm not under any particular pressure or heartache, I don't do so good. I have to be involved in love to write love songs.

There's been a lot of talk of new Fleetwood Mac material over the last few years, and obviously you had your joint album with Lindsay a couple of years ago - are you guys working on fresh material?

With the new band? No not yet. There are a couple of songs we've had in mind with Neil, and he seems like he'll be easy to work with, but we're not thinking about a new record… yet. This world tour is going to take most of the year. Maybe next year. Nobody's made any decisions about that yet.



This definitely isn't a farewell tour then?

Oh I don't think so. We never say never, this band. I think as long as we're all vertical and we've got our health I don't see any reason why we can't do another tour and make another record. I can see no reason why not.

In the last few years we've seen shows from Glee to American Horror Story bring Fleetwood Mac’s music to a fresh audience - did you catch any of those episodes, and do keep abreast of the ways your music continues to influence popular culture?

Only to a degree. I just hear all the time from generations where their parents play Fleetwood Mac albums at home and the kids pick it up. They're 12, 13, 14 years of age and they come to see us, and they're right there by the stage, these kids that know all the songs. Stevie is an icon and gets involved in a lot more things than I do, so she's probably helping to keep the Fleetwood Mac legacy alive with all these things that she loves to do. I tend to be a bit more private. You know, I go to Waitrose and do my shopping on my own!

So we won't be seeing you as a singing witch with Stevie on American Horror Story any time soon?

Hey, if I was offered I may not say no - I've never been asked! I don't know if it's really my strength, or my cup of tea. We'd have to see...



I think a lot of people would love to see that duo on screen...

Well, suggest it to the producers!

The campaign starts here!

[Sceptically] The campaign starts here, right... [laughs]

Finally, if you could hop in a time machine right now and re-live one era of Fleetwood Mac, when would it be?

Oh, it would have to be the '70s... It would have to be when Rumours came out. The excitement, the buzz of realising you've written one of the best albums ever written; we were just flying high off that knowledge. And every week it was number one in the charts, for about a year. We flip-flopped with The Eagles and Hotel California. But it was just a phenomenal time. Too many drugs, too much alcohol, but that was a crazy, crazy year. That era was unbelievable. But having said that, I'm really enjoying what we're doing now, most of all...

This seems cobbled together. Insulting (to the entire band)and generally nothing said. There will likely be no music (shocker)

[Storms123]

same. what a spineless self-centered person! no balls or concerns whatsoever. just toe the company line. and lets Lindsey do all her dirty work for her.

i know this interview must have been done before the surgery but this just tells you so much anyway. with friends like this who needs enemies?

This is why I can't get behind the notion Christine is not a fault here.

[elle]

This is why I can't get behind the notion Christine is not a fault here.

she was trying to say in all those first interviews she knew nothing about it, and Lindsey was saying she was fragile, so i gave her a pass. he did say she was weak. but now i'm thinking once Mick talked her into it, instead of telling him no and putting a halt into all the crap, she just folded. they wouldn't try to talk her into it if they could go on without her. she had the power, and she lost her power in this world, because she didn't use it.

and now i despise her. :distress: i always thought she was so cool and no-nonsense. this interview is almost as bad as Mick's blabbings. at least she didn't try to talk for LB, like Mick does.

[Jondalar]

Would anyone buy a new Fleetwood Mac or Stevie album. Certainly most of their old core fans are gone. Many of us who have supported them through everything will no longer support them anymore.

[elle]

Would anyone buy a new Fleetwood Mac or Stevie album. Certainly most of their old core fans are gone. Many of us who have supported them through everything will no longer support them anymore.

every stevie fan buys 5-10 copies of everything she puts out. just go look all the posts every time she released an album or a song. all her fans there brag how many copies they bought.

[Storms123]

she was trying to say in all those first interviews she knew nothing about it, and Lindsey was saying she was fragile, so i gave her a pass. he did say she was weak. but now i'm thinking once Mick talked her into it, instead of telling him no and putting a halt into all the crap, she just folded. they wouldn't try to talk her into it if they could go on without her. she had the power, and she lost her power in this world, because she didn't use it.

and now i despise her. :distress: i always thought she was so cool and no-nonsense. this interview is almost as bad as Mick's blabbings. at least she didn't try to talk for LB, like Mick does.

The CBS interview---she looked HORRIFIED. And i don't necessarily disagree with the notion she was blindsided by it all, but clearly she's drinking the cool aid, or people (Azoff, Fleetwood) are shoving down her throat. There was nothing ground breaking about this interview. I find it odd that that band can't speak of the lawsuit and the settlement, but Lindsey can????

[lovethemac1]

Any respect I had left for Christine is GONE. What an awful article.

FLEETWOOD MAC'S CHRISTINE MCVIE ON 'AMERICAN HORROR STORY', PLAYING WEMBLEY, AND POTENTIAL NEW MUSIC
"I don't see any reason why we can't do another tour and make another record."

With a 50-year legacy of friendship, fallouts and iconic folk-rock hits, the Fleetwood Mac story is as epic as they come in music.


Over the years band members Mick Fleetwood, John McVie, Christine McVie, Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks have married, divorced, made up, fallen out, and continued to release some of the most defining pop hits of the last century - and the drama hasn't waned now most of them are in their seventies.

Disagreements over current world tour 'An Evening with Fleetwood Mac' led to Buckingham's sacking from the group in April last year, with the guitarist and vocalist settling a lawsuit against his former bandmates in December.

Talk of that lawsuit is strictly off-limits as Attitude meets Christine McVie ahead of Fleetwood Mac's two planned dates at Wembley Stadium this June, but the British-born singer is a characteristically open book when it comes to discussing the legacy of a band that has defined her life since 1970.

Despite standing as the (relative) calm at the centre of the Fleetwood Mac storm, McVie has had plenty her own ups and downs during the course of her career, most notably retiring from the group in 1998 for 16 long years after developing a debilitating phobia of flying.



Since rejoining the group onstage at Wembley in 2014 McVie hasn't looked back however, and as the 75-year-old songstrees discusses eveything from Fleetwood Mac's unlikely inclusion in American Horror Story to why the popularity of her signature track 'Songbird' has been both a blessing and a curse, it's clear she's having the time of her life...


You've had a bit of a break from touring over the last few weeks - do you feel fully rested and recuperated?

Ha! Well, I was over in England - I live in London - and I've just moved into a new house, so I can't say that it was a particularly restful time, because you know when you move house, that's pretty stressful.

That does seem like a bit of an undertaking during a year-long world tour!

[laughs] I mean at least it's my forever home so I'm very happy there. But glad to be back on the road again.

How are you finding being on tour this time around?

We've had an unbelievable time. I mean, you probably know that Lindsey's no longer in the band, and Mick… I don't know how he does it, [he] manages to find the right people at the right time, and we now have Neil Finn from Crowded House and Mike Campbell who was in Tom Petty [and the Heartbreakers] - great guitar player - and these guys are so talented and they fit in so well with what we're doing. It's created a real buzz over here [in the US], it's unbelievable. It's a bloody great show, it really is. We're all loving it, loving it!



It must be quite intimidating for Neil and Mike to suddenly join band with such a massive legacy.

Well they come with their own pedigree, you know? They're great artists with huge hits in other bands, so they were fairly confident. They were nervous I think, to begin with, but now it's phenomenal. They're having a ball up there. We all are.

Just how different is day-to-day life on the road now compared to the '70s and '80s?

Life on the road now is a lot more sober than it was back then. There were an awful lot of drugs flying around back then in the '80s. We live quite comfortably and we can't do a show every night because we're all a bit too old, so we have to be a bit selective about how many gigs we do a week. As we get a couple of days off here and there to rest the weary bones, we're just having so much fun. It's probably the most rewarding time of my touring life ever, I think.

You've talked about how one of the main reasons for your hiatus from the band was your fear of flying - is that something you're still having to contend with?

No, no – well, I went in for treatment to cure my fear of flying. I was stuck in England and the only way I could go anywhere was by boat or train, so that was a bit limiting to say the least! [chuckles] And of course I wanted to travel. I ended up booking a ticket to see Mick, who lives in Maui, Hawaii, and ironically he phoned me up and said 'Chris, I'm coming to London, are you going to be around?!' And I said 'I bought a ticket to come and see you!' So he said 'Well wait for me to come over and we'll fly back there together.' And I swear to God, I've never thought about [my fear of] flying again. I fly to Africa, I've been on tiny planes, landing on airstrips with wildebeest [on them]... I embrace flying. And we travel in two small planes, the band, we don't all go in one big plane, and it's a painless thing, thank God.

You're performing two nights at Wembley in June - how much does it mean to you as a Brit performing in front of a home crowd?

It's phenomenal, just phenomenal. Especially as [London's] my home town. Even though I did spend 30 years in the US I've always been an Englo-phile, or whatever they call them. I always miss my roots and that's why I'm happy to be living back in London again. As much as I love travelling and I love Malibu, it's such a joy for me, Heathrow Airport. [chuckles] That runway, I go 'Ah, I'm home'. Whatever kind of mess [Britain’s] in, I love it.



Well that does come in useful on a tour like this.

It does come in handy, yeah!

Of course fans at a show like 'An Evening with Fleetwood Mac' are going to want to hear the classics, but for you as a performer are there any particular songs you still relish playing live, or perhaps dread?

Well you've got to remember you're performing to new people every night, so you have to pretend to yourself that you're playing it for the first time. You play it with as much vigour, and it's always slightly different each night. You aim to make it the best gig [yet]. We set our goals quite high in this band, we really want to be the best we can be. I think 'Songbird' was one song I got a bit tired of doing, and in the show at the moment we don't do that at the end - Stevie and I do a little duet, which is really sweet. But 'Songbird' isn't off the plans, we might do it in England, I don't know. But all the other songs I adore.

'Songbird' is probably the song you've had most critical acclaim for over the years - are there others you look at and say 'I want that to be my legacy as a songwriter?'

I suppose there are a few really, but I think 'Songbird' has to be the one, because that's the one I wrote in half an hour.

I'm always floored when I hear that.

Me too! I wish they could all be that easy. [laughs] I had the words, the melody, everything. And guess what I didn't have? A tape recorder! I had to stay up all night and keep playing it so I could call an engineer first thing in the morning to let me go in and put it on tape so I wouldn't forget it.



Thank God you did, there'd be a lot of very disappointed people if you hadn't.

Well I would've been the most disappointed, because nobody else would have heard it! But there are quite a few songs obviously that I love; 'You Make Loving Fun', 'Oh Daddy'… We have a such a big catalogue of songs that for different reasons are just wonderful songs.

People say that a lot of the magic of Fleetwood Mac's song writing came down to the emotional turmoil you were going through, be it relationships, drugs... Is it harder to find that inspiration now you’re in a better place in your life emotionally?

I'm too happy to write songs now! [But] I can get [still] there, I work well under pressure. If someone said to me 'We're doing an EP, we're putting it out in March', I could probably do it. But if I'm not under any particular pressure or heartache, I don't do so good. I have to be involved in love to write love songs.

There's been a lot of talk of new Fleetwood Mac material over the last few years, and obviously you had your joint album with Lindsay a couple of years ago - are you guys working on fresh material?

With the new band? No not yet. There are a couple of songs we've had in mind with Neil, and he seems like he'll be easy to work with, but we're not thinking about a new record… yet. This world tour is going to take most of the year. Maybe next year. Nobody's made any decisions about that yet.



This definitely isn't a farewell tour then?

Oh I don't think so. We never say never, this band. I think as long as we're all vertical and we've got our health I don't see any reason why we can't do another tour and make another record. I can see no reason why not.

In the last few years we've seen shows from Glee to American Horror Story bring Fleetwood Mac’s music to a fresh audience - did you catch any of those episodes, and do keep abreast of the ways your music continues to influence popular culture?

Only to a degree. I just hear all the time from generations where their parents play Fleetwood Mac albums at home and the kids pick it up. They're 12, 13, 14 years of age and they come to see us, and they're right there by the stage, these kids that know all the songs. Stevie is an icon and gets involved in a lot more things than I do, so she's probably helping to keep the Fleetwood Mac legacy alive with all these things that she loves to do. I tend to be a bit more private. You know, I go to Waitrose and do my shopping on my own!

So we won't be seeing you as a singing witch with Stevie on American Horror Story any time soon?

Hey, if I was offered I may not say no - I've never been asked! I don't know if it's really my strength, or my cup of tea. We'd have to see...



I think a lot of people would love to see that duo on screen...

Well, suggest it to the producers!

The campaign starts here!

[Sceptically] The campaign starts here, right... [laughs]

Finally, if you could hop in a time machine right now and re-live one era of Fleetwood Mac, when would it be?

Oh, it would have to be the '70s... It would have to be when Rumours came out. The excitement, the buzz of realising you've written one of the best albums ever written; we were just flying high off that knowledge. And every week it was number one in the charts, for about a year. We flip-flopped with The Eagles and Hotel California. But it was just a phenomenal time. Too many drugs, too much alcohol, but that was a crazy, crazy year. That era was unbelievable. But having said that, I'm really enjoying what we're doing now, most of all...


This interview made me feel sick to my stomach. I thought she was so much better that this, obviously she is full of it, and spouting whatever is needed at the time she is interviewed. It better have been done before Lindsey's heart attack because if it wasn't, man, she's a piece of work.

To go on and on about how wonderful and happy and amazing everything is, GAG ME WITH A SPOON..........I did not enjoy reading this.

[BombaySapphire3]

Sheesh what an old hag..in some ways she is worse than Stevie. At least Stevie had a very tumultuous history with Lindsey and a very acrimonious breakup . Christine just finished an album and a tour with the man where she was gushing over how much she loved working with him. These people have no shame .What an abomination of a band they have become.

[luminol]

in some ways she is worse than Stevie. At least Stevie had a very tumultuous history with Lindsey and a very acrimonious breakup . Christine just finished an album and a tour with the man where she was gushing over how much she loved working with him. These people have no shame .What an abomination of a band they have become.

Agreed.

I can't believe this interview.

Awful.

[Jondalar]

every stevie fan buys 5-10 copies of everything she puts out. just go look all the posts every time she released an album or a song. all her fans there brag how many copies they bought.

That was when they were fans... I was one of those people... I’m saying she lost a lot of those fans. I’m not really a fan anymore.

[michelej1]

We heard how mad Chris was when Bob Welch sued them. I suppose she feels that way now.

[HomerMcvie]

While she is the heroine of my life, and I've tried my best to ignore some of the bad things(which began with her keeping Bob Welch out of the r&rhof), it's nearly impossible to give her a pass any longer.

FRAGILE OR NOT, her only loyalty seems to be to Dick. F*ck her greatest creative partner. Corporate shill indeed.




PS- note how I didn't feel the need to quote that BIBLE length interview...

[louielouie2000]

For what it’s worth, Christine has always gushed about whatever she’s currently promoting, while belittling whatever project she’d worked on previously. She’s done it with her pre ‘75 Mac albums, she did it with her solo albums, now she’s seemingly doing it with Buckingham McVie/the Mac Lindsey years. I remember when she denigrated In The Meantime after she rejoined the world, and I was absolutely flabbergasted. I thought that album was the best collection of songs she’d ever released (still do). After all these years, Chris is simply a well oiled PR machine. She’s arguably better at crafting an exacting message & repeating it ad nauseum than any of them. If Lindsey were ever to work with her again, she’d do the same thing- gush over him while discrediting Crowded Heartbreakers. It’s just what she does. You don’t stay in the pop music business 50 years without towing the line. Not that her words here don’t dismay me, but I also know not to take them at face value.

[BigAl84]

Denial. So much denial in this band.

Denial of their own age
Denial of the productive time they have together
Denial of how they currently sound on stage
Denial of the magic that was the combination of the 5
Denial of any kind of family bond they should have

I don't even have the words for that Christine interview. Sounds like Stevie and Mick have gotten a hold of her ear. Or as freakin spineless as it is, she's doing exactly what she is told. Azof is looming over this band now...She's got to keep it civil until September. Surely a warning was given when Lindsey let it slip that she reached out to him...

So much of their behavior isn't new, it's trickled in at different points in time and true colors have been revealed before. This is just one really terrible culmination of all of it coming together at once and they really look like a group of rotten sh*ts at this point with no regard or respect.

It's so incredibly crushing to invest so much of your life to enjoying this band, the music they made together, and the overall belief that there were some deep waters that held them together, that at the end of the day they really cared about one another and VALUED all the the progress they made post 1997. To see it all crumble is heartbreaking.

Yes, we will always have the music. However it will be forever changed when so many can no longer respect those who made that music we all loved so much. A loss of perspective is an understatement. This is a group of folks in their 70s still pulling the same drug fueled irrationality of their youth. Egos, adoration, and money have replaced the booze, sex, and cocaine. As much of a gift Christine's return was, it ultimately upset the power equilibrium within the band in a way that we'll never fully understand.

We thought they came out the other side as better people, that turned out to be false for the majority of them.

Sad.

[Aisling]

It’s like she’s in a cult or something. Blink twice for help, Chris. :rolleyes: Truly disgusting interview.

[cbBen]

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[HomerMcvie]

posted 45 minutes ago
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[cbBen]

https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1095934979660345344

[aleuzzi]

For what it’s worth, Christine has always gushed about whatever she’s currently promoting, while belittling whatever project she’d worked on previously. She’s done it with her pre ‘75 Mac albums, she did it with her solo albums, now she’s seemingly doing it with Buckingham McVie/the Mac Lindsey years. I remember when she denigrated In The Meantime after she rejoined the world, and I was absolutely flabbergasted. I thought that album was the best collection of songs she’d ever released (still do). After all these years, Chris is simply a well oiled PR machine. She’s arguably better at crafting an exacting message & repeating it ad nauseum than any of them. If Lindsey were ever to work with her again, she’d do the same thing- gush over him while discrediting Crowded Heartbreakers. It’s just what she does. You don’t stay in the pop music business 50 years without towing the line. Not that her words here don’t dismay me, but I also know not to take them at face value.

Precisely. She has done this many, many times. Plays good soldier for whatever configuration she’s involved with. I also agree that ITM remains her best collection of songs! That she has dismissed that effort so easily and totally is sad. If it had made big $, her response would have been different.

What bothers me the most about the interview is the way she is so readily willing to put creativity aside, stall work on new music (which, even in this interview it’s clear she’d be ready to start at a moment’s notice) just to toe the corporate line. Mick and Stevie call the shots and she goes along with it all. Meanwhile, whatever song ideas she has (and by all accounts she has many) languish until what...she’s 80?

[BigAl84]

They should get Billy and Rick back for the next tour and call it the 8788 Revival because they will all be about 87 or 88 years old!!!

[Phil]

Or perhaps, just maybe, Christine and the others simply grew tired of the wife beater's passive-aggressive, spiteful nature and outmoded musical ideas? Just sayin'...
PS Is he dead yet?

[justcrazylove]

Or perhaps, just maybe, Christine and the others simply grew tired of the wife beater's passive-aggressive, spiteful nature and outmoded musical ideas? Just sayin'...
PS Is he dead yet?

You should be ashamed of yourself, you pathetic gutless man. Grow up.

[button-lip]

^^^^@secondhandchain:

That is a sad article for a few reasons but what makes me most frustrated is the confirmation that no new music is forthcoming from this band. Notice Christine hinted that she’d be totally into recording an EP and that she loves writing songs. But Stevie’s and (presumably Mick’s) insistence on touring into next year frustrates that.

I really want another CM/LB record but she is hitching her wagon to this train wreck of a band. She’s 75. How many more years does she have to record the new songs she wants to write and sing? Instead of saying “I already have enough $ and want the last phase of my career to be vibrant and creative” she is opting for more money.

Well, she should have stayed on Lindsey's side if she wanted to release more new music. :(

[button-lip]

Or perhaps, just maybe, Christine and the others simply grew tired of the wife beater's passive-aggressive, spiteful nature and outmoded musical ideas? Just sayin'...
PS Is he dead yet?

No, he is not. But I'm sure Old Goat Breath will post something to let her pathetic fans know as soon as it happens.

That if she doesn't die first from biting her own tongue.

[lovethemac1]

Or perhaps, just maybe, Christine and the others simply grew tired of the wife beater's passive-aggressive, spiteful nature and outmoded musical ideas? Just sayin'...
PS Is he dead yet?

Your comment is disgusting.

[Phil]

Thank you and thank you.

[luminol]

Well, she should have stayed on Lindsey's side if she wanted to release more new music. :(

My thoughts exactly. She boarded the wrong boat for that.

[sue]

Thank you and thank you.

Well I thought that was funny Phil....just balanced up the scales a little bit.
Not about being dead, yet, that’s a bit too far..

If Stevie can be called all names,so can Lindsey.....or Christine or Mick.

[button-lip]

Sheesh what an old hag..in some ways she is worse than Stevie. At least Stevie had a very tumultuous history with Lindsey and a very acrimonious breakup . Christine just finished an album and a tour with the man where she was gushing over how much she loved working with him. These people have no shame .What an abomination of a band they have become.

THIS! Her cynical side is showing. I'm sorry for her fans but yes, she's in way worst than Stevie. And that's saying A LOT!


Denial. So much denial in this band.

Denial of their own age
Denial of the productive time they have together
Denial of how they currently sound on stage
Denial of the magic that was the combination of the 5
Denial of any kind of family bond they should have

I don't even have the words for that Christine interview. Sounds like Stevie and Mick have gotten a hold of her ear. Or as freakin spineless as it is, she's doing exactly what she is told. Azof is looming over this band now...She's got to keep it civil until September. Surely a warning was given when Lindsey let it slip that she reached out to him...

So much of their behavior isn't new, it's trickled in at different points in time and true colors have been revealed before. This is just one really terrible culmination of all of it coming together at once and they really look like a group of rotten sh*ts at this point with no regard or respect.

It's so incredibly crushing to invest so much of your life to enjoying this band, the music they made together, and the overall belief that there were some deep waters that held them together, that at the end of the day they really cared about one another and VALUED all the the progress they made post 1997. To see it all crumble is heartbreaking.

Yes, we will always have the music. However it will be forever changed when so many can no longer respect those who made that music we all loved so much. A loss of perspective is an understatement. This is a group of folks in their 70s still pulling the same drug fueled irrationality of their youth. Egos, adoration, and money have replaced the booze, sex, and cocaine. As much of a gift Christine's return was, it ultimately upset the power equilibrium within the band in a way that we'll never fully understand.

We thought they came out the other side as better people, that turned out to be false for the majority of them.

Sad.


Christine ruined everything with her return. And yes, on the other end of this mess, there's us, the group of fans who no longer believe in them and are highly dissapointed and sad everything has come to an end this way. :(:(:(

[sue]

THIS! Her cynical side is showing. I'm sorry for her fans but yes, she's in way worst than Stevie. And that's saying A LOT!





Christine ruined everything with her return. And yes, on the other end of this mess, there's us, the group of fans who no longer believe in them and are highly dissapointed and sad everything has come to an end this way. :(:(:(

Your right about the return of Christine ...that opened up a whole new load of crap...especially from Stevie.
Who, at first, welcomed Christine and then definitely didn’t....so she split Christine and Lindsey up.

[button-lip]

Well I thought that was funny Phil....just balanced up the scales a little bit.
Not about being dead, yet, that’s a bit too far..

If Stevie can be called all names,so can Lindsey.....or Christine or Mick.

Death wishes and name calling are not the same. Not even remotely.

It only shows the true colors of Stevie's fans. But again I wouldn't be surprised if that's Stevie's main goal. To make him die.

[lovethemac1]

Death wishes and name calling are not the same. Not even remotely.

It only shows the true colors of Stevie's fans. But again I wouldn't be surprised if that's Stevie's main goal. To make him die.

I agree 100%. I have never wished Stevie, or anyone, to be dead, and certainly would never even jokingly put it in writing. I was one of her biggest fans, loved her like crazy. But first and foremost, I was an ENORMOUS fan of FM. So anyone breaking up the band is not cool in my books. And that happens to be SN, MF, and now...much to my surprise CM. We keep forgetting that John was the only one to respond to Lindsey's emails initially, to tell him that he couldn't engage with him. Now, I don't even trust John, to tell you the truth.

But Phil, that comment was in bad taste, shows a lack of empathy, shows immaturity and general poor judgement. The man had a major heart health event, that's serious. Grow up man. Always act as if your kids are watching (if you are old enough to have any), and remember to consider that karma's a b***h.

[The Chain]

But Phil, that comment was in bad taste, shows a lack of empathy, shows immaturity and general poor judgement. The man had a major heart health event, that's serious. Grow up man. Always act as if your kids are watching (if you are old enough to have any), and remember to consider that karma's a b***h.

yep. and to think this is from the guy who has responded in the Stevie forum w the likes of "Not the cleverest of responses but I wasn't expecting otherwise." .. :rolleyes: yeah man, your middle school shock joke about Lindsey dying was so clever..:laugh:
But then again, many of Stevie's hardcore fans are probably just like her.. arrogant enough to think they are the sharpest tool in the shed when in fact they're immature and embarrassingly lacking in wit or grace.

[HomerMcvie]

Death wishes and name calling are not the same. Not even remotely.

It only shows the true colors of Stevie's fans. But again I wouldn't be surprised if that's Stevie's main goal. To make him die.

Phil's comment was horrible! Get help, Phil.

One thing $tevie's fans have in common, is how they believe $he can do no wrong, and her $h1t doesn't stink. $he smells like goat turds to me.

[julesmck]

https://www.al.com/life/2019/02/what-happens-when-fleetwood-mac-says-bye-bye-buckingham.html

What happens when Fleetwood Mac says bye-bye Buckingham?
By Mary Colurso | [email protected]

Fact: It takes two people to replace Lindsey Buckingham in Fleetwood Mac.

Opinion: Neil Finn of Crowded House and Mike Campbell of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers did a fine job of it on Wednesday night at the BJCC’s Legacy Arena in Birmingham.

Confession: It’s difficult to evaluate the current incarnation of Fleetwood Mac without taking note of Buckingham’s absence. He made an indelible mark on the classic rock band during its heyday in the 1970s and ’80s, defining much of the music as a guitarist, songwriter and singer. That’s not to diminish the contributions of the other band members -- Fleetwood Mac made its fame as a complex and multi-faceted piece of machinery -- but to say that Buckingham mattered. He definitely mattered.

Now that Buckingham is absent from the roster -- he was fired by the other band members, filed a lawsuit, settled it and recently underwent emergency heart surgery -- Fleetwood Mac is a less thorny outfit. That can be regarded as a blessing or a curse, depending on your perspective. Creative tension fueled the band at its peak, and Buckingham was a key instigator of it.

At Wednesday’s performance, the four remaining principals -- singer Stevie Nicks, singer and keyboard player Christine McVie, bassist John McVie and drummer Mick Fleetwood -- collaborated on stage in a polished, congenial, ultra-professional way. Nostalgia ran high during their 8:15 p.m. set, which featured 22 songs and lasted for more than two hours.

Fleetwood Mac played many of the vintage tunes fans know and love: “Rhiannon,” “Say You Love Me,” “Go Your Own Way,” “Gold Dust Woman,” “Second Hand News,” “Landslide,” “You Make Loving Fun,” “Dreams,” “Don’t Stop,” “Hold Me” and more.

Finn, who handled Buckingham’s vocals, and Campbell, who took over Buckingham’s guitar work, performed with self-effacing skill, fitting into the band without any fuss and using their substantial talents to serve the music.

Nicks sang with throaty charisma and engaged in her trademark twirls. Christine McVie was a welcome presence on stage, and if her voice -- which used to ring with bell-like clarity -- seemed more fragile than in years past, she remains a charming performer. John McVie put his head down, finessed the bass and anchored the overall sound. Fleetwood pounded the drum kit with non-stop energy and indulged in a showboat solo.

All well and good.

But this highly pleasurable edition of Fleetwood Mac is, well, a less interesting edition of Fleetwood Mac. Something intangible is missing in the band chemistry -- a spikiness, a sharpness, an unpredictability, a push-and-pull -- and that, it appears, was Buckingham’s specialty.

Perhaps, as Fleetwood Mac commemorates its 50-year history in the music world, a majority of the core group wanted a smooth ride on this tour, leaving any messy emotions behind.

And from all appearances, the full house at the BJCC didn’t seem to mind. Folks who appreciate a milder Mac attack could find plenty to enjoy during the show, and a feel-good vibe prevailed.

Grace note: As expected, Nicks reminisced about a 1975 concert in Birmingham, when she and Buckingham performed at Municipal Auditorium (now called Boutwell Auditorium) to promote their self-titled debut album, “Buckingham Nicks.”

Thanks to airplay on a local radio station, the record was wholeheartedly embraced here, and Birmingham was one of a few cities where fans turned out in force for the duo. Buckingham and Nicks, who were shortly to join Fleetwood Mac, have said the Birmingham concert provided their first taste of stardom.

“Little did we know that somewhere in this town that record was simmering,” Nicks said at the BJCC. “I think it’s important for you to know that this city hooked on to that music that became Fleetwood Mac. This song is dedicated to you, straight up, to Birmingham, Alabama. It’s called ‘Landslide.’"

Nicks also used the opportunity to send a get-well wish to Buckingham, saying the band’s thoughts were with him during his recovery. “I know he’s going to get better,” Nicks said.

Setlist:

“The Chain”
“Little Lies”
“Dreams”
“Second Hand News”
“Say You Love Me”
“Black Magic Woman”
“Everywhere”
“Rhiannon”
“Tell Me All the Things You Do”
“World Turning” (with Mick Fleetwood drum solo)
“Gypsy”
“Oh Well”
“Don’t Dream It’s Over” (Crowded House cover)
“Landslide”
“Hold Me”
“Monday Morning”
“You Make Loving Fun”
“Gold Dust Woman”
“Go Your Own Way”
Encores:

“Free Fallin'” (Tom Petty cover)
“Don’t Stop”
“All Over Again”

[FuzzyPlum]

Or perhaps, just maybe, Christine and the others simply grew tired of the wife beater's passive-aggressive, spiteful nature and outmoded musical ideas? Just sayin'...
PS Is he dead yet?


Are you for real?
One too many VB's, perhaps?

[bombaysaffires]

But this highly pleasurable edition of Fleetwood Mac is, well, a less interesting edition of Fleetwood Mac. Something intangible is missing in the band chemistry -- a spikiness, a sharpness, an unpredictability, a push-and-pull -- and that, it appears, was Buckingham’s specialty.


that's the thing... Chris left, and they all commented about how something was missing....it wasn't the same blah blah (the band). They figured out how to go on without her, but clearly acknowledged not having her there threw off the balance, both creatively and politically. Funny they wouldn't expect the same with Lindsey gone.....:shrug:

[michelej1]

Of course, Phil is the same person who attacked John when we learned about his cancer. It was hard to say whether it was an honest opinion then or trolling. The timing suggests trolling, when one waits to post at a moment when it will have the most shock value.

[jeets2000]

For what it’s worth, Christine has always gushed about whatever she’s currently promoting, while belittling whatever project she’d worked on previously. She’s done it with her pre ‘75 Mac albums, she did it with her solo albums, now she’s seemingly doing it with Buckingham McVie/the Mac Lindsey years. I remember when she denigrated In The Meantime after she rejoined the world, and I was absolutely flabbergasted. I thought that album was the best collection of songs she’d ever released (still do). After all these years, Chris is simply a well oiled PR machine. She’s arguably better at crafting an exacting message & repeating it ad nauseum than any of them. If Lindsey were ever to work with her again, she’d do the same thing- gush over him while discrediting Crowded Heartbreakers. It’s just what she does. You don’t stay in the pop music business 50 years without towing the line. Not that her words here don’t dismay me, but I also know not to take them at face value.

Well this has been an interesting little experiment because I feel the same way, Louie, and it kind of sounds like we're in the minority? Unless she's intending to make a (usually sharp) point, I feel like Chris is always a relatively boring interview, just reading the script, answering the questions the way you'd expect her to. She does her best to promote her thing and NOT make news.

The most disappointing part of the article to me was the fact that, given the chance, she only named Rumours songs as what she wanted her legacy to be. C'mon!

I don't hold anything against folks getting upset about what she said. I think there's a good chance I'm already desensitized to this stuff now, almost a year later. What will ultimately mire my view of her is if, after this tour concludes and Stevie goes on her next solo tour, Chris sits idly by and does nothing until Fleetwood Mac resumes. Not participating in LBCM 2 would be a tragedy.

[jeets2000]

Nicks also used the opportunity to send a get-well wish to Buckingham, saying the band’s thoughts were with him during his recovery. “I know he’s going to get better,” Nicks said.

For those interested in witnessing for yourself...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From the Fleetwood Mac* show in Bham last night. Nice to see Lindsey at least got a shout out from Stevie before Landslide— “I know he’s going to get better because he has to.” Hoping next time I hear that song live, he’s onstage too. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/fleetwoodmac?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#fleetwoodmac</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/buckinghamnicks?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#buckinghamnicks</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stevienicks?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#stevienicks</a> <a href="https://t.co/zve5WZQT5G">pic.twitter.com/zve5WZQT5G</a></p>&mdash; Rebecca Massey (@BeccaleeMassey) <a href="https://twitter.com/BeccaleeMassey/status/1096056182115057666?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 14, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[aleuzzi]

Well, she should have stayed on Lindsey's side if she wanted to release more new music. :(

I don’t disagree with you and wished she had. I think she’s now wishing that, too.

[secondhandchain]

So it's looking like from his wife's post, that NO ONE from the band has contacted him since his illness. Of course they do it in front of a crowd to save face, but NOT where it counts. These people are VILE. How could I have been so wrong?

[sue]

Death wishes and name calling are not the same. Not even remotely.

It only shows the true colors of Stevie's fans. But again I wouldn't be surprised if that's Stevie's main goal. To make him die.

I agree, Death wishes are not the same, but I was only referring to his name calling of Lindsey.
I did not know this guy had history of being foul about things in general (especially John)
Maybe I should have looked at his past history......

[Neal]

It's probably safe to say that Christine's interview took place well before news of Lindsey's surgery broke, otherwise there's no way the interviewer would've missed a chance to bring it up. And if the timing was already confirmed earlier in the thread, my apologies, I missed it.

That said, honest question - is everyone just disappointed that she didn't use this interview as an opportunity to publicly bash Mick & Stevie...? I mean, I'm Team Lindsey in this whole mess too, but reading this didn't suddenly lower my opinion of Chris. It reads like 99% of her interviews over the last 50 yrs: sweet, yet a little innocuous and bland. :shrug:

[cbBen]

I have my issues with Christine (and the whole band) for carrying on without Lindsey, but not with that interview, which is standard PR fare.

[michelej1]

Ok guys, no further response to the is he dead post. I have deleted some wacky things. We’ve had our say.

[lovethemac1]

It's probably safe to say that Christine's interview took place well before news of Lindsey's surgery broke, otherwise there's no way the interviewer would've missed a chance to bring it up. And if the timing was already confirmed earlier in the thread, my apologies, I missed it.

That said, honest question - is everyone just disappointed that she didn't use this interview as an opportunity to publicly bash Mick & Stevie...? I mean, I'm Team Lindsey in this whole mess too, but reading this didn't suddenly lower my opinion of Chris. It reads like 99% of her interviews over the last 50 yrs: sweet, yet a little innocuous and bland. :shrug:

I see what you are saying, and yes, I think you are right.
The part that annoyed me was her gushing about this was the BEST tour ever, the MOST fun they've had on stage, etc etc. That just seemed a little "in your face Lindsey" which I know in my heart she wasn't trying to do, but it just was too much, over the top, gushing when we all feel a bit protective of him now, esp since the health incident.

[Jondalar]

For those interested in witnessing for yourself...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From the Fleetwood Mac* show in Bham last night. Nice to see Lindsey at least got a shout out from Stevie before Landslide— “I know he’s going to get better because he has to.” Hoping next time I hear that song live, he’s onstage too. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/fleetwoodmac?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#fleetwoodmac</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/buckinghamnicks?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#buckinghamnicks</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stevienicks?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#stevienicks</a> <a href="https://t.co/zve5WZQT5G">pic.twitter.com/zve5WZQT5G</a></p>&mdash; Rebecca Massey (@BeccaleeMassey) <a href="https://twitter.com/BeccaleeMassey/status/1096056182115057666?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 14, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Well at least that was nice of her. She sounded decent. It’s something.

[HomerMcvie]

Well at least that was nice of her. She sounded decent. It’s something.

Too little, too late. I hope somebody pees in her goat chow.

[Jondalar]

Too little, too late. I hope somebody pees in her goat chow.

She caused this rift and it is up to her to repair it. Who in their right mind would want to end on a bad a note with someone who could possibly die and somebody you wronged? That karma will eat you alive.

[Macfan4life]

She is playing the innocent Stevie card here. She sounded decent? Too little too late?

Not in my book. If you throw someone out a window and you ignore their communications for help or explanation, its and outrage you dare say something at a later date if that person almost dies. If you accept this as "decent" or anything else you have been sucked into their world.


The offer was 10 million dollars or Lindsey Buckingham and Legacy. They took the money and ran.

I hope I am not alone but I sort of feel that way on this board. You can take your phony snow covered hills dedication elsewhere.

When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

[HomerMcvie]

She is playing the innocent Stevie card here. She sounded decent? Too little too late?

Not in my book. If you throw someone out a window and you ignore their communications for help or explanation, its and outrage you dare say something at a later date if that person almost dies. If you accept this as "decent" or anything else you have been sucked into their world.


The offer was 10 million dollars or Lindsey Buckingham and Legacy. They took the money and ran.

I hope I am not alone but I sort of feel that way on this board. You can take your phony snow covered hills dedication elsewhere.

When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.
Agreed. We've seen her true colors. $he's a nasty person, who's completely self absorbed, and surrounded by a bunch of yes people. I actually think her life is pretty pathetic.

[button-lip]

She caused this rift and it is up to her to repair it. Who in their right mind would want to end on a bad a note with someone who could possibly die and somebody you wronged? That karma will eat you alive.

If she wanted to play nice again she should have dedicated the song to him instead of saying "so you know".

But of course a dedication is a LONG step, considering what happened last year. It's like letting him win.

Part of me wants to believe that she did it spontaneously, because Birmingham means Buckingham Nicks, and she also unconsciously (or not) waited until yesterday to acknowledge his surgery because of the same reason and because she of course knows he dedicated SUD to him. BUT I just hate her "I'm just innocent" attitude. I hate it. :(

[Jondalar]

If she wanted to play nice again she should have dedicated the song to him instead of saying "so you know".

But of course a dedication is a LONG step, considering what happened last year. It's like letting him win.

Part of me wants to believe that she did it spontaneously, because Birmingham means Buckingham Nicks, and she also unconsciously (or not) waited until yesterday to acknowledge his surgery because of the same reason and because she of course knows he dedicated SUD to him. BUT I just hate her "I'm just innocent" attitude. I hate it. :(

Well I get you. She has ruined the last few years of the Mac and stopped a new album.... she has caused Fleetwood Mac to end on a negative note. The only person who needs to find a way to fix it is her.

[button-lip]

Well I get you. She has ruined the last few years of the Mac and stopped a new album.... she has caused Fleetwood Mac to end on a negative note. The only person who needs to find a way to fix it is her.

She should have been the first one to reach out to him. But she didn't.

And instead she's talking about Lindsey's surgery like it's nothing. I don't think she's regretting anything to be honest.

[aleuzzi]

I warned you guys about this years ago and you never listened.

https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/SortaSavageLike/The%20Stevie%20Of%20Death/SOD2.jpg (https://s73.photobucket.com/user/SortaSavageLike/media/The%20Stevie%20Of%20Death/SOD2.jpg.html)

https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/SortaSavageLike/The%20Stevie%20Of%20Death/SOD7.jpg (https://s73.photobucket.com/user/SortaSavageLike/media/The%20Stevie%20Of%20Death/SOD7.jpg.html)

https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/SortaSavageLike/The%20Stevie%20Of%20Death/SOD10.jpg (https://s73.photobucket.com/user/SortaSavageLike/media/The%20Stevie%20Of%20Death/SOD10.jpg.html)

https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/SortaSavageLike/The%20Stevie%20Of%20Death/SOD22.jpg (https://s73.photobucket.com/user/SortaSavageLike/media/The%20Stevie%20Of%20Death/SOD22.jpg.html)

https://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i204/SortaSavageLike/The%20Stevie%20Of%20Death/SOD4.jpg (https://s73.photobucket.com/user/SortaSavageLike/media/The%20Stevie%20Of%20Death/SOD4.jpg.html)

I know these were intended as zingers and there's an aptly "sortasavagelike" edge to them, but these collages are actually brilliant--quite funny and oddly evocative. They do what a lot of great pomo collages do: they collapse levels of reality into a new reality that could never have been imagined without the existence of the collage itself. I know this sounds all high falutin, but really, these pics kind of made my month.

[elle]

Well I thought that was funny Phil....just balanced up the scales a little bit.

Latrodectus is not a good image to have out there, i guess. gotta counteract it.

balance this:


he was wronged. when back in Birmingham, AL, he dedicates a song to the person who wronged him.

she wronged him. it almost killed him. when back in Birmingham, AL she doesn't dedicate a song to the person she wronged, who is recuperating from almost dying a week ago.


she does say: “And I would like to, as long as we’re saying this (the BN story), I would like you to know that I certainly want all my good wishes to go out to Lindsey. I know he’s going to get better because he has to, so I know he’s going to..."

[michelej1]

BN had surprise success here, and speaking of that by the way ....

We all know that if it had happened to Don Henley her stage comments would be a lot different.

[HomerMcvie]

Birmingham success was what, 45 YEARS ago? Those fans are approaching nursing home age!

[elle]

Well this has been an interesting little experiment because I feel the same way, Louie, and it kind of sounds like we're in the minority? Unless she's intending to make a (usually sharp) point,

after cooling down, i think i agree with both of you.

still, it makes it completely clear she is completely and sadly spineless coward. because this is the situation where she should make that one sharp point. but she'd rather coast and repeat [re-scripted platitudes. it's all phenomenal and fresh. right.

[michelej1]

Speaking of age, back when I was a (dumb) shipper I would’ve said that she kept her comments brief because to expound would’ve had her choked up in tears, convulsed with emotion. And I would’ve rhapsodized that she said he HAD to get better because the thought of him not making a full recovery paralyzed her with fear.

So, I grew up as a Sonny and Cher fan and Chaz (then still Chastity) said when he called his mom to tell her Sonny was dead, to his surprise she broke down in hysterics (25 years after the divorce) and he had to scramble to get his Aunt Georgianne on the phone to calm her down.

I was so touched by the story. But Cher was always like that. She dragged Sonny through the mud, but she never let anyone else do it. One interviewer said Sonny had a bad voice and she was like, “Bob Dylan had a bad voice, what’s your point.”

One time the Los Angeles Times gave Sonny’s restaurant a bad review and I wrote in to complain, but Cher best me to the punch. She wrote that the review was so biased she could have used it for a dress pattern.

Neither Stevie nor Lindsey had that sense of protectiveness about the other, but I guess I told myself otherwise for many, many years.

[michelej1]

after cooling down, i think i agree with both of you.



But I liked your “despise” so don’t revoke that, please.

[elle]

She caused this rift and it is up to her to repair it. Who in their right mind would want to end on a bad a note with someone who could possibly die and somebody you wronged? That karma will eat you alive.

one would hope.

[elle]

The offer was 10 million dollars or Lindsey Buckingham and Legacy. They took the money and ran.

aptly stated!

[mylittledemon]

The offer was 10 million dollars or Lindsey Buckingham and Legacy. They took the money and ran.


The thought of this coupled with Lindsey's recent heart problems? Sigh. I've just got no more words. :distress:

[MikeInNV]

That was when they were fans... I was one of those people... I’m saying she lost a lot of those fans. I’m not really a fan anymore.

Yet it was just a couple of months ago that you posted your oh-so-compelling video lobbying for her induction into the RRHOF.

[BombaySapphire3]

Yet it was just a couple of months ago that you posted your oh-so-compelling video lobbying for her induction into the RRHOF.
IMHO reclining in bed in the small hours of the morning and somnambulantly reciting her declining album sales figures is what put her over the top for the induction!

[michelej1]

The thought of this coupled with Lindsey's recent heart problems? Sigh. I've just got no more words. :distress:

Good to see you, though.

[mylittledemon]

Good to see you, though.

haha, thanks. I'm always popping in, just remaining silent more often than not ;)

[Macfan4life]

The thought of this coupled with Lindsey's recent heart problems? Sigh. I've just got no more words. :distress:
Yep, its amazing what people will do for 10 million dollars. I know Mick needs the money but you would think Chris and John could not be bribed like that and they would care more about their legacy.

I have a theory why Rick and Billy were not asked to re-join. It would have been a bit of nostalgia if they were back in the band. I believe it was because of Stevie. They may have let Billy rehearse with the band but Stevie put her foot down and demanded Mike Campbell. The band yielded to Stevie so Mike was in 100%. Then of course it would be unfair to not bring both Rick and Billy back so find someone else. How could you explain to Rick there was only room for Billy? So they decided to go in a new direction completely.
Stevie did not only fire Lindsey. She blackmailed the band since the tour would yield them about 10 million each with her in the band. IMHO she also cock blocked Rick and Billy to bring her friend into the band.

[sodascouts]

For those interested in witnessing for yourself...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From the Fleetwood Mac* show in Bham last night. Nice to see Lindsey at least got a shout out from Stevie before Landslide— “I know he’s going to get better because he has to.” Hoping next time I hear that song live, he’s onstage too. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/fleetwoodmac?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#fleetwoodmac</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/buckinghamnicks?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#buckinghamnicks</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stevienicks?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#stevienicks</a> <a href="https://t.co/zve5WZQT5G">pic.twitter.com/zve5WZQT5G</a></p>&mdash; Rebecca Massey (@BeccaleeMassey) <a href="https://twitter.com/BeccaleeMassey/status/1096056182115057666?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 14, 2019</a></blockquote>
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I know people are hating on this but I appreciate it. She really couldn't have said anything that would have been deemed "satisfactory" by those criticizing her for this, IMHO, so it's not surprising that this was deemed inadequate. I understand that, but it sounded heartfelt to me. Now she needs to match her words with actions by reaching out to him.

[Storms123]

I know people are hating on this but I appreciate it. She really couldn't have said anything that would have been deemed "satisfactory" by those criticizing her for this, IMHO, so it's not surprising that this was deemed inadequate. I understand that, but it sounded heartfelt to me. Now she needs to match her words with actions by reaching out to him.

I am not saying this to stoke any flames, but he dedicated a song to her when he played Birmingham a few months back, referencing that it was where they were really noticed and the album resonated. Would she have done the same if he hadn’t had heart surgery 2 weeks before?

[sodascouts]

I am not saying this to stoke any flames, but he dedicated a song to her when he played Birmingham a few months back, referencing that it was where they were really noticed and the album resonated. Would she have done the same if he hadn’t had heart surgery 2 weeks before?

I know - I actually had the good fortune to be at that Birmingham show when Lindsey made that dedication...front row center.

I wasn't at this show because I find what Fleetwood Mac has done unacceptable, and I don't wish to support them anymore.

I daresay she would not have brought him up in normal circumstances.

However, for me, that doesn't negate an appreciation for her remarks. I was really disappointed when she left the stage before Mick said something in Austin. This is more like it.

[Storms123]

I know - I actually had the good fortune to be at that Birmingham show when Lindsey made that dedication...front row center.

I wasn't at this show because I find what Fleetwood Mac has done unacceptable, and I don't wish to support them anymore.

I daresay she would not have brought him up in normal circumstances.

However, for me, that doesn't negate an appreciation for her remarks. I was really disappointed when she left the stage before Mick said something in Austin. This is more like it.

I am not seeing them when they come to NYC either, for the same reasons you sat on the sidelines. I like to think she would have said something in Birmingham, regardless of his surgery. We will never know! I have to think, regardless of anything else going on with them, she was rattled by this health scare for him.

[michelej1]

I was thinking of the Arizona Heart Institute functions and then my mind wandered back to the way Barbara Nicks would attend Lindsey’s solo shows when he was in town. You know, if either of Stevie’s parents were still alive and still lucid I think she would’ve been too ashamed to do what she’s done and have them know about it.

[michelej1]

that's the thing... Chris left, and they all commented about how something was missing....it wasn't the same blah blah (the band). They figured out how to go on without her, but clearly acknowledged not having her there threw off the balance, both creatively and politically. Funny they wouldn't expect the same with Lindsey gone.....:shrug:

To be fair, Lindsey was being kind of a jerk with his 33% more room talk. He made me mad. He also seemed to think that he benefitted politically, initially thinking he and Stevie would be closer with Chris gone. But my feeling was that he missed Chris and he was sad that she left just as they had reunited, so he was lashing out.

Goodness. Looking back, I was a BN fan, but I missed Chris terribly. I wrote an Amazon review of SYW and said that I never realized how much I loved broccoli (Christine) until I was served a meal with just steak and apple pie.

Now, FM is serving a meal of cold leftovers.

[Storms123]

I was thinking of the Arizona Heart Institute functions and then my mind wandered back to the way Barbara Nicks would attend Lindsey’s solo shows when he was in town. You know, if either of Stevie’s parents were still alive and still lucid I think she would’ve been too ashamed to do what she’s done and have them know about it.

Her mother is probably the only person who could call her out on being Stevie Nicks, diva extraordinaire. Yes. I totally agree with you. Barbara Nicks passed away and so did Stevie’s only touchstone to reality

[luminol]

I was thinking of the Arizona Heart Institute functions and then my mind wandered back to the way Barbara Nicks would attend Lindsey’s solo shows when he was in town. You know, if either of Stevie’s parents were still alive and still lucid I think she would’ve been too ashamed to do what she’s done and have them know about it.

Her mother is probably the only person who could call her out on being Stevie Nicks, diva extraordinaire. Yes. I totally agree with you. Barbara Nicks passed away and so did Stevie’s only touchstone to reality

This is so true, both comments... I truly believe if her mother was still alive, this would never have happened. Absolutely not. The shame would have been too great to face, plus her mother was her reality base (as mentioned above).

I have a cousin who was married with two girls for a couple decades, then she kind of lost her mind and started having an affair with her old high school boyfriend who broke her heart a lifetime prior. She went off the rails, started being a total jerk to her husband and family, got divorced, her daughters were devastated (high school ages), etc. She indulged herself in detrimental ways and messed up everyone's lives around her in the process. When asked if she would have acted the same way if her mother had still been alive (she had died a year or so before the affair), she firmly said "No." Feels aptly similar.

[bombaysaffires]

while I sort of get what people are saying re SN's mother, let's be real-- Stevie is an about-to-be 70 year old grown up...who should effing be able to behave like a semi normal human being all on her own. she knows about loss-- her parents, Robin, etc. The thought of Lindsey's family, esp his kids, losing their father, should have sobered her right up, but it didn't. I'm not buying this final loophole to avoid full responsibility for her behavior that some want to give her. :sorry:

Call me cynical, but I really don't believe she said anything because she was so moved she needed to speak publicly. I believe she knows thru her social media spy team how badly people are beating her up about it, and she was trying to stem the tide. Yes, she's that controlling of her image. It's all she has, and it's what she's given her whole life, and everything in it, to.

[michelej1]

I’d be the last person to give Stevie a loophole. I’d like to take a lasso to her and rope her in, not a loophole. She should’ve grown a conscience a long time ago. She’s old enough to be a great grandmother. I’m just saying that shame would’ve made her act differently if her mother was alive, not that the loss of her mother justifies this.

[bombaysaffires]

I’d be the last person to give Stevie a loophole. I’d like to take a lasso to her and rope her in, not a loophole. She should’ve grown a conscience a long time ago. She’s old enough to be a great grandmother. I’m just saying that shame would’ve made her act differently if her mother was alive, not that the loss of her mother justifies this.

I wasn't so much referring to you as to others who have been beating the drum of "oh but it's coz her mother died" ever since it happened as an explanation/excuse for everything she's done. They are often part of the "it's because Tom died" brigade.

[luminol]

I’d be the last person to give Stevie a loophole. I’d like to take a lasso to her and rope her in, not a loophole. She should’ve grown a conscience a long time ago. She’s old enough to be a great grandmother. I’m just saying that shame would’ve made her act differently if her mother was alive, not that the loss of her mother justifies this.

Yes, this...

[button-lip]

while I sort of get what people are saying re SN's mother, let's be real-- Stevie is an about-to-be 70 year old grown up...who should effing be able to behave like a semi normal human being all on her own. she knows about loss-- her parents, Robin, etc. The thought of Lindsey's family, esp his kids, losing their father, should have sobered her right up, but it didn't. I'm not buying this final loophole to avoid full responsibility for her behavior that some want to give her. :sorry:

Call me cynical, but I really don't believe she said anything because she was so moved she needed to speak publicly. I believe she knows thru her social media spy team how badly people are beating her up about it, and she was trying to stem the tide. Yes, she's that controlling of her image. It's all she has, and it's what she's given her whole life, and everything in it, to.

She wasn't moved at all while talking. She sounded calm, happy and disentagled from the whole situation, IMO. She did what she was told to do to calm the backlash. That's why she avoided dedicating Landslide. That would have meant she cares, when she doesn't.

[Storms123]

while I sort of get what people are saying re SN's mother, let's be real-- Stevie is an about-to-be 70 year old grown up...who should effing be able to behave like a semi normal human being all on her own. she knows about loss-- her parents, Robin, etc. The thought of Lindsey's family, esp his kids, losing their father, should have sobered her right up, but it didn't. I'm not buying this final loophole to avoid full responsibility for her behavior that some want to give her. :sorry:

Call me cynical, but I really don't believe she said anything because she was so moved she needed to speak publicly. I believe she knows thru her social media spy team how badly people are beating her up about it, and she was trying to stem the tide. Yes, she's that controlling of her image. It's all she has, and it's what she's given her whole life, and everything in it, to.

I am not giving her a loop hole at all. I don't think Stevie has anyone in her life who calls her out on anything. I think her mother and probably her father were the only people that could have done that. She is 100% not a reality based person. Listen to ANY interview she's ever done---like EVER, not just in recent years. I think she surrounds herself with yes people who are not reality based either. They are riding on her coattails. Her entire family is actually on her payroll so, they aren't actually going to tell her no....ever....Please, she'll fire them too.
She should be able to behave like a normal human being---but she's not normal and no one in her world is either.

[jbrownsjr]

Speaking of age, back when I was a (dumb) shipper .

Is there another kind?:lol:

[HomerMcvie]

Is there another kind?:lol:

:xoxo::xoxo::xoxo::xoxo:

[michelej1]

Is there another kind?:lol:

Kristen and her pregnancy ruined everything.

[singertobe]

Kristen and her pregnancy ruined everything.

Yeah I keep hearing everyone say they were a thing during the Dance but do we actually have proof of that? Did anyone in their circle come out and say that happened? To me it sounds like a bunch of... rumours! :lol:

[iamnotafraid]

Yeah I keep hearing everyone say they were a thing during the Dance?

I would doubt that happened at all during that period.
Or anytime after the late 80's.

Why you ask? Most men, especially successful multi-millionaires
choose to be with women that are twenty something years younger.
And slim shall we say?

Lindsey got what he wanted.

[HomerMcvie]

I would doubt that happened at all during that period.
Or anytime after the late 80's.

Why you ask? Most men, especially successful multi-millionaires
choose to be with women that are twenty something years younger.
And slim shall we say?

Lindsey got what he wanted.

$he did resemble a certain Muppet for a few years. :p

[michelej1]

I would doubt that happened at all during that period.
Or anytime after the late 80's.

Why you ask? Most men, especially successful multi-millionaires
choose to be with women that are twenty something years younger.
And slim shall we say?

Lindsey got what he wanted.

If you have known someone since you were 16, maybe she makes you feel 16 when you look at her. Maybe she looks 17 to you.

[iamnotafraid]

If you have known someone since you were 16, maybe she makes you feel 16 when you look at her. Maybe she looks 17 to you.

Maybe in a Nicholas Sparks' novel or a movie on the Hallmark Channel.
Rarely in real life.

[sue]

Maybe in a Nicholas Sparks' novel or a movie on the Hallmark Channel.
Rarely in real life.

Sometimes that arrrow sticks.
I think my husband gorgeous and handsome..
He thinks I’m sexy and beautiful.
We’ve been married 50 years later in September.
So I know I’m not sexy or beautiful for that matter.

But we think it and that’s it..

Once Lindsey had his children I don’t think he thought too much about Stevie.

[luminol]

Sometimes that arrrow sticks.
I think my husband gorgeous and handsome..
He thinks I’m sexy and beautiful.
We’ve been married 50 years later in September.
So I know I’m not sexy or beautiful for that matter.

But we think it and that’s it..


This is really beautiful. Congratulations on 50 years together!

[annabellee]

Sometimes that arrrow sticks.
I think my husband gorgeous and handsome..
He thinks I’m sexy and beautiful.
We’ve been married 50 years later in September.
So I know I’m not sexy or beautiful for that matter.

But we think it and that’s it..

This is the best post I have ever read on these boards and it has nothing to do with Fleetwood Mac. Sue, congratulations on finding true love! :xoxo:

[singertobe]

I would doubt that happened at all during that period.
Or anytime after the late 80's.

Why you ask? Most men, especially successful multi-millionaires
choose to be with women that are twenty something years younger.
And slim shall we say?

Lindsey got what he wanted.

Oh dear I hope not. I'd like to think Lindsey chose Kristen for her inner beauty, not outer. Though she is very beautiful.

[lovethemac1]

Sometimes that arrrow sticks.
I think my husband gorgeous and handsome..
He thinks I’m sexy and beautiful.
We’ve been married 50 years later in September.
So I know I’m not sexy or beautiful for that matter.

But we think it and that’s it..

Once Lindsey had his children I don’t think he thought too much about Stevie.

Gorgeous comment and so true.

I read a study once that talked about elderly people in a nursing home. It looked at how they felt with people they were attracted to, and the answer was a resounding “young.” They didn’t see each other as their chronological age, but saw what the heart wanted to see, young people. So essentially they were looking at a persons soul, aura, personality, etc, whatever you want to call it.

So, yes, Stevie and Lindsey could potentially still find each other attractive because of the shared history they have. But that doesn’t negate his love for his wife and family.

[TheWildHeart67]

Originally Posted by sue View Post
Sometimes that arrrow sticks.
I think my husband gorgeous and handsome..
He thinks I’m sexy and beautiful.
We’ve been married 50 years later in September.
So I know I’m not sexy or beautiful for that matter.
But we think it and that’s it..

Congrats to you!:xoxo:
50 years! That is beautiful!

[michelej1]

Maybe in a Nicholas Sparks' novel or a movie on the Hallmark Channel.
Rarely in real life.

In real life people often experience feelings beyond the superficial. Thank heaven. They say love is blind for a reason and I don’t just speak of romantic love. Most people you meet not only think their mother was a good cook, but they remember her as very beautiful. Not all of them are objectively correct, but the heart is what matters.

[iamnotafraid]

I think my husband gorgeous and handsome..
He thinks I’m sexy and beautiful.
We’ve been married 50 years later in September.

But we think it and that’s it..



Congratulations to you on 50 years of marriage.
And I'm happy to hear you both feel the way you
do. It's a rare thing.

[michelej1]

Oh dear I hope not. I'd like to think Lindsey chose Kristen for her inner beauty, not outer. Though she is very beautiful.

Whatever first captured his eye, Lindsey got what he needed.

I remember searching for Lindsey solo tour info years ago and for the Southern California stint, Lindsey’s kids and their classmates would attend one show. I came upon messages from when Leelee just got on the internet as a kid. I think her first post was “Hello, World. It is I, Leelee Buckingham.” She was writing with her school friends and some of them mentioned the LB concert, but I remember her getting really excited because it was her mom’s birthday and she was preparing for it. Most children that age are thinking about their own birthday and what they’re going to get, but Leelee was amped up about her mother’s.

That stayed with me, because I remember thinking “Man, that Kristin must be doing something right” and, of course, in these strange times, I think that over and over to myself, 1000 fold.

[Feather Blade]

Sometimes that arrrow sticks.
I think my husband gorgeous and handsome..
He thinks I’m sexy and beautiful.
We’ve been married 50 years later in September.
So I know I’m not sexy or beautiful for that matter.

But we think it and that’s it..

Once Lindsey had his children I don’t think he thought too much about Stevie.

Happy early Anniversary! 50 years is amazing.