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gldstwmn

10-13-2018, 02:09 PM

Some info about Lindsey's attorney:
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2012/atty031412.htm

Hope he got a fat retainer... :lol:

Lola

10-13-2018, 02:12 PM

Additional info:

OBTAINED DISMISSAL FOR BRIAN WILSON IN LAWSUIT BROUGHT BY BANDMATE
Obtained a complete dismissal for Beach Boy Brian Wilson in a series of lawsuits brought by fellow Beach Boy Mike Love, over the right to exploit certain compositions and sound recordings and obtained attorney's fees award of $625,000.

Barry Mallen, Esq. defended numerous lawsuits for alleged copyright infringement of musical compositions, including cases involving recording artists such as The Rolling Stones, Mariah Carey, Amy Grant, Ice Cube, Robert Kelly, KISS, The Beastie Boys, Ozzy Osbourne, Kid Rock, Destiny’s Child, Gregg Allman and Kenny Loggins.

Lola

10-13-2018, 02:14 PM

Don't they all----one thing is for sure-lawyers get paid. One way or the other the lawyers will get their $$.

jwd

10-13-2018, 02:14 PM

Hope he got a fat retainer... :lol:

Maybe FM can help him pay it! :blob2:

dreamsunwind

10-13-2018, 02:24 PM

DeepBlueDee

10-13-2018, 02:35 PM

That's for the judge to decide. No, it isn't. The judge won't be changing legislation to decide what does and does not constitute an oral contract, which is exactly the same as an oral agreement, which YOU claimed they had. You keep changing your statements to suit your agenda.

What the judge will decide is if LB can prove he had an oral contract with FM and whether or not there was just cause to terminate him. I have no idea what evidence either side intends to present at trial, and neither do you. Either way, it's a sad, sorry way for this band to go out, at this late stage in the game, both for the fans, and the legacy of the band.

Lola

10-13-2018, 02:56 PM

Agree---it could drag on for a long time, probably right up to the day before going to court then both both parties will settle. That's my take on it anyway.

KenshiMaster16

10-13-2018, 03:02 PM

Is it bad I kinda want this to go to court at this point? It'd be worth all the popcorn I'd digest. Band is already over for me, might as well light the gasoline.

Stevie Nicks: "He questioned my lyrics and was mean to me. I mean, hello? Bob Dylan anyone?"

Lindsey Buckingham: "Have you heard her ramble? I present to you, Exhibit A: The Gypsy talk and Exhibit B: The Without You introduction."

John McVie: "Now, now you two."

Mick Fleetwood: "Would anyone here like to buy a Deluxe edition of I'm Not Me? Perhaps a Meet and Greet? Lowest I'll accept is 300."

Christine McVie: "Out of nowhere I just saw this twirling idiot flinging a guitar across the stage so I hurled my glass of wine in his face."

John McVie: "I saw it, flew right past my face."

Mick Fleetwood: "How about a Deluxe edition of Time? Anyone like Time? Nobody? Hello?"

Stevie Nicks: "I chased his ass outside and tried to kill him. Who backs out of a tour at the last minute."

Lindsey Buckingham: "I really tried to get as good a sound I could out of anything. Trash can lids, boxes, kazzoo's, Stevie Nicks's shawls. I used just about anything on Tusk. Did I mention I was doing a lot of coke. I mean, a lot of coke."

John McVie: *sigh*

Lola

10-13-2018, 03:08 PM

The Chain

10-13-2018, 03:13 PM

You keep changing your statements to suit your agenda.

Par for the (gldstwmn) course.

carol7lynn

10-13-2018, 03:38 PM

Anyone who thinks this case is going to trial is either deluded out of their mind or knows absolutely nothing about the legal system. Cases like these just about never go to trial. They can take them very far but very, very rarely do they get inside the courtroom.

Correct!

Right now, it's sword rattling time. Buckingham just wants a cut of the action and he'll probably get it through a hefty settlement. Who can blame him. :shrug: And, the band, FWM, just wants him gone. Who can blame them. :shrug:

carol7lynn

10-13-2018, 03:41 PM

rhiannondontgo

10-13-2018, 03:59 PM

Is it bad--no. After all the grief this has caused I can see the "value" in FM Court TV. Remember OJ's Bronco? Only this time there will be 5 of them to follow. Really tho the whole thing is so sad...

I think they should make this even more entertaining for us and go on The People’s Court or something.

Lola

10-13-2018, 05:47 PM

Could be a whole new show: "Celebrity Lawsuit". Tune in for the Inaugural Edition w/Fleetwood Mac. Commentary from legal analysts, interview people outside the courtroom everyday . Ratings gold!

bombaysaffires

10-13-2018, 06:40 PM

Correct!

Right now, it's sword rattling time. Buckingham just wants a cut of the action and he'll probably get it through a hefty settlement. Who can blame him. :shrug: And, the band, FWM, just wants him gone. Who can blame them. :shrug:

agree with the first bit. :nod:

gldstwmn

10-13-2018, 07:39 PM

I think they should make this even more entertaining for us and go on The People’s Court or something.

Judge Judy! Can you imagine? :laugh: "Don't smirk at me Mr. Buckingham."

jmn3

10-13-2018, 07:44 PM

Judge Judy! Can you imagine? :laugh: "Don't smirk at me Mr. Buckingham."

If they went on Judge Judy, literally everyone not named McVie would end up in jail.

StevieandChris

10-13-2018, 08:52 PM

If they went on Judge Judy, literally everyone not named McVie would end up in jail.

LOL! This is a wonderful thread! I would love to see Judge Judy’s reaction to one of Stevie’s, Lindsey’s, or Mick’s monologues. But because of her sassyness I think Chris would join Stevie, Lindsey and Mick in jail. John would be spared because he rarely speaks. :]:laugh::D

StevieandChris

10-13-2018, 09:08 PM

Seeing them in front of Judge Mablean would be hilarious too!

DownOnRodeo

10-14-2018, 04:26 AM

You keep changing your statements to suit your agenda.
Par for the (gldstwmn) course.

We should cut gldstwmn some slack:
it must be a struggle to come up with coherent, logical posts when one's trying to meet a self-imposed quota of 500 posts per month.

sleepless child

10-14-2018, 08:07 AM

Common sense tells me he never would've filed a law suit if he did something so terrible that he knows he was justifiably fired by the band. According to him they were all getting along well, even right through MusiCares. He was totally blindsided by the news he was being fired. Hell, he even thought it was Stevie leaving the band! He got a list of grievances from Stevie why she never wanted to be on stage with him again. Two cited were "the smirk" and him complaining about playing "Rhiannon" as an entrance song. Okay, is there more? I certainly hope so for FM's sake, because this band has been through a whole lot more traumatic experiences than that. There's been a lot worse happen in the band than that and Lindsey was never fired then.

Well said. I agree totally. Lindsey has been known to be an ass. It is well documented. Ken wrote on Facebook yesterday I believe that Lindsey was the most controlling person he ever knew. So for Lindsey to go forward with a lawsuit, he has to feel very confident. In the end, everyone has to go with their gut feeling. And some common sense.

I love Stevie, I have since 1975, I've read all the books and articles that talk about Lindsey's issues, but my gut tells me he was wronged. I hate all the bashing, and I hope someone on FM's team lets them know how torn up all the fans are over this. But it's obvious they still live in their bubble after all these years.

NotonRodeo

10-14-2018, 09:06 AM

Much as I would have liked to derive a delicious pleasure in hearing the sordid details of their relationship directly from them and under oath (and not through disgruntled ex-girlfriends, disaffected former employees, former band members, etc. who can hardly be described as disinterested--you will never catch me reading any of their tell-all tomfoolery), I agree with most of the posters above that they will settle out of court with a strict confidentiality clause. Lindsey I guess has all his ducks in a row, since he has had lots of time to prepare, but the rest? I highly doubt Mick Fleetwood for instance would want the IRS and his innumerable creditors to see his actual net worth. They'll settle. Alas! After the trouble they've caused the fan base, a little discomfort and embarrassment on their part would have been wonderful to behold.

HomerMcvie

10-14-2018, 09:12 AM

We should cut gldstwmn some slack:
it must be a struggle to come up with coherent, logical posts when one's trying to meet a self-imposed quota of 500 posts per month.
:lol::lol::lol:
I hereby nominate you for Post Of The Week.

gldstwmn

10-15-2018, 11:45 AM

No, it isn't. The judge won't be changing legislation to decide what does and does not constitute an oral contract, which is exactly the same as an oral agreement, which YOU claimed they had. You keep changing your statements to suit your agenda.

What the judge will decide is if LB can prove he had an oral contract with FM and whether or not there was just cause to terminate him. I have no idea what evidence either side intends to present at trial, and neither do you. Either way, it's a sad, sorry way for this band to go out, at this late stage in the game, both for the fans, and the legacy of the band.

Judges interpret "legislation" i.e. law at every level of our court system up to and including the Supreme Court. Once a case is adjudicated by the Supremes then and only then is it considered settled law. That is why it is extremely important that we are careful about the appointees to the court.
Just because legislation is passed does not mean it is constitutional.

DownOnRodeo

10-15-2018, 12:06 PM

Judges interpret "legislation" i.e. law at every level of our court system up to and including the Supreme Court. Once a case is adjudicated by the Supremes then and only then is it considered settled law. That is why it is extremely important that we are careful about the appointees to the court.
Just because legislation is passed does not mean it is constitutional.

I've never read such misleading gobbledegook.

You heard it here first folks--the matter of Buckingham v Fleetwood will not be "settled law" until the US Supreme Court decides on its constitutionality!

:laugh:

gldstwmn

10-15-2018, 01:06 PM

I've never read such misleading gobbledegook.

You heard it here first folks--the matter of Buckingham v Fleetwood will not be "settled law" until the US Supreme Court decides on its constitutionality!

:laugh:

That's how the American legal system works. Don't shoot the messenger. :shrug: I never said anything about FM going to the Supreme court. However anything's possible:
The Slants Win Supreme Court Battle Over Band's Name In Trademark Dispute
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/19/533514196/the-slants-win-supreme-court-battle-over-bands-name-in-trademark-dispute

David

10-15-2018, 01:36 PM

gldstwmn

10-15-2018, 01:42 PM

Well one side of this contretemps has been leaking like a big old sieve for months now so it wouldn't surprise me if they're watching to see how this plays. I would even go so far as to say that have used their fans to get the story out.
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jbrownsjr

10-15-2018, 01:45 PM

It's all sordid, but we've certainly livened up the ol' Ledge. I bet there are people reading and posting who haven't been around for ten years. Imagine that it's even likely members of the band or their entourage are here, too.

In other news, I broke down and bought the Tango and the White Album deluxe packages last night on Amazon. I figured I needed more than just to play them on Spotify.

I went to the Lindsey show at the last min on Friday. I met SYWLindsey... and he said to me, "I've been reading your posts since I was in high school."

And wow!! He didn't hate me. In fact, we had a blast. I also, met Ana! She's absolutely lovely, too! Great little ledge meet up in LA.

DeepBlueDee

10-15-2018, 02:05 PM

You heard it here first folks--the matter of Buckingham v Fleetwood will not be "settled law" until the US Supreme Court decides on its constitutionality!

:laugh:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

bombaysaffires

10-15-2018, 04:15 PM

jwd

10-15-2018, 04:32 PM

jwd

10-15-2018, 04:44 PM

Well said. I agree totally. Lindsey has been known to be an ass. It is well documented. Ken wrote on Facebook yesterday I believe that Lindsey was the most controlling person he ever knew. So for Lindsey to go forward with a lawsuit, he has to feel very confident. In the end, everyone has to go with their gut feeling. And some common sense.

I love Stevie, I have since 1975, I've read all the books and articles that talk about Lindsey's issues, but my gut tells me he was wronged. I hate all the bashing, and I hope someone on FM's team lets them know how torn up all the fans are over this. But it's obvious they still live in their bubble after all these years.

Lindsey's the smartest of the bunch. He's the least of them to do anything foolish, (unless of course he's been drinking) :p

My gut feeling tells me he will win his lawsuit, or at the very least he will settle for a big chunk of change and call it a day with FM.

ali101

10-24-2018, 09:45 PM

Going back to papers filed at court and regardless of who is at fault or wronged, there does seem to be slight discrepancies in the document which seems a bit unprofessional but maybe its deliberately vague and just based on fishing for settlement I’m not slamming the document or Lindsey but it does lack a bit of clarity. :shrug:

In summary ..
The band met on December 11th and Lindsey wanted to delay the tour to allow for a solo album release in April and tour, thus delaying rehearsal from June to, September and the tour commencement from August to November
He stated in the RS interview that he had a meeting in late 2017 ..
“he asked for “three or four months extra” to do solo dates. There was “stonewalling,” he claims. “I left the meeting because there was nothing else to talk about.”
This suggests an impasse on that subject and his lawsuit states that he was “frustrated “ but by December 15th he agreed to the original schedule, and Stevie’s request for the 3 shows per week.
The managers and agents then negotiated a 60 date tour.

In the lawsuit it states that after December 15th no conditions or ultimatums were issued by Lindsey or the band with regard to either the Mac tour or his “potential “ solo tour or the tour announcement at MusiCares. (January 26th ). Through December and early January it states that Lindsey continued to discuss the solo options with his manager. “ to address his concerns about only playing three shows a week”

The tour announcement was suggested to take place at MusiCares and the legal document states that
“in the days leading up to the event, Buckingham told his manager that he was willing to announce the FM tour, but first needed to get the permission of the other Partners for his solo performances on the off days. Buckingham was told by his manager that Nicks manager had not yet told Nicks about Buckingham’s possible solos shows or asked for Nicks approval for Buckingham’s solo shows during the tour. Ultimately no announcements about the FM tour or Buckingham’s solo shows were made at MusiCares”

However later in his lawsuit it states that Lindsey was advised that live Nation had selected the dates and he approved the tour announcement but no announcement was made, which is in contradiction to the early statement.

There is no statement or mention of when or whether the band was consulted about the idea of LB solo fill in dates, or whether there had been any agreement at all regarding the solo tour other than a statement about Stevie not been told by her manager. However the Rolling stone lawsuit article states “he asked permission to book his own shows during off-days. “ There is also no mention of any conversation regarding this proposal that took place between any band members or legal reps during the MusicCares and immediately following the show, despite a tour hanging in limbo.

On January 28th Irving Azoff called him to say the “tour was off, and three days later became aware of the tour proceeding without him. It is then stated that in weeks and months since late January he repeatedly expressed his wish to tour and that he reached out to band members. He also reiterated his desire to be part of the tour in his Feb 28th email to MF.

This seems to indicate that after not signing off on the tour, Lindsey strove to reiterate his commitment to the band and rectify and outstanding issues only after he learned of the decision to tour without him, but yet had done so previously to his manager whilst discussing a solo tie in. Perhaps his manager has not been the most diligent. There is certainly a lack of clarity in the lawsuit and perhaps a lack of dialogue between the five extends also to their relevant representatives. Far from ideal.

His statement to Rolling Stone Stated “Over the last eight months our many efforts to come to an agreement have unfortunately proved elusive. I’m looking forward to closure, and will always remain proud of all that we created, and what that legacy represents.”

An eight month period suggests from March and the new band lineup was announced in April so does this refer to the pursuit of a legal and financial agreement? If so of the many efforts stated none are mentioned in the lawsuit. If they have had legal dialogue regarding settlement why isn’t this an exhibit, unless that is a next step process. Obviously if lawyers were involved none of the band members would be instructed not to engage in dialogue with LB so the overtone of being cold shouldered is slightly loaded, since there is no clarity.

So it in essence it took LB 4 days to accept what had previously been agreed regarding the tour. When did he decide to do the solo project? I really don’t understand why he didn’t make arrangements for the project and tour to take place PRIOR to the Mac coming back together which had been generally scheduled for 2018 for some time.
Maybe someone can enlighten me as to whether the initial project was the Blue Light album or the anthology? I’ve become confused on that.

Variety June 15th 2017:
“Buckingham: That’s clearly the big, big machine. I think of what we’re doing as the medium machine. Then I’ll do the small machine next January with a solo album. It’s nice to have it all.
McVie: I’m dying for that reunion, I think that’s going to be great.
Buckingham: Yeah, it will. And then of course the Mac will go back out sometime probably summer of 2018.”

This time frame had been on the cards for along period so what changed?
Lindsey’s concerns of playing only 3 days/week lead him to consider solo gigs but only money and profitability are mentioned in the lawsuit.

One would assume that the issues of the solo tour had been looked into and ideologically resolved during his December January assessment of the idea with his manager but seemingly not with the band.
There is also irony here regarding the solo concept since there was an article a few years ago of Stevie airing tossing a similar thought for Buckingham Nicks shows into the air (although most likely not with any real conviction) but as I recall Lindsey didn’t seem to think it would work logistically, though I can’t remember which article that was. I’m sure someone else can, though. Obviously he changed his mind, as is his prerogative of course. Equally obviously there are technicalities regarding the solo slots and possibly the insurance side would have been a bit messy and costly together with the costs of taking a separate show on the road for between 4-1 shows per week, unless he wanted to use the Mac crew, which would bring additional difficulties of contractual affiliations for crew, transportation, accommodations etc and how that would be proportioned cost-wise. Obviously LB can’t have a cut price tour at the bands expense. ( without their unlikely blessing at any rate)!
There don’t seem to be any facts about the ideas or who knew about any of it so it’s not possible to have an informed opinion.

And ultimately that is it in a nutshell – it’s not possible to have an informed opinion without facts and knowledge and the only people truly in possession of that are the five themselves.
As they say to “ASSUME is to make an ASS out of U and ME”

I reiterate that I’m not slamming the document or Lindsey so don’t shoot the messenger – I wish none of it happened. (Maybe if the tour hadn’t have been in the pipeline until next year it would have blown up but then had the time to get smoothed out. Who the hell knows.)
Stevie, Lindsey, Chris, John and Mick are not perfect and the best versions of themselves go missing at times – and few are not guilty of that- especially for Lindsey and Stevie and their long relationship. Working with loved ones ex or present that have caused pain whether in an historical or current context will inevitably have emotional baggage that is tiring and restrictive and its influence can easily lead to letting the best of yourself slip away. In all honesty the emotional investment in the band has been huge and it’s credit to all of them that they stuck at for the most part of 45 years.

The saga of the lawsuit, the he said and she said, will continue and more of the story will come to light and ledgies will comment and debate but hopefully without some of the unnecessary vitriol of late.

DownOnRodeo

10-25-2018, 01:42 AM

Perhaps his manager has not been the most diligent.

The fact that his manager is none other than Irving Azoff has been a cause of head-scratching and theorizing. For example, you could go with the theory that it was Irving who played a big role in dropping Lindsey, because (i) Irving is very well-off and doesn't need Lindsey for his solo career, (ii) Irving was annoyed that Lindsey wasn't happily towing the line regarding his vision for FM as a Classic Hits touring machine, (iii) Irving was convinced by Stevie's camp that they could swap out Lindsey for "Mike plus one" and most people wouldn't care too much.

Very speculative because I don't know enough about all Irving and all the other managers, but either way I think a lot of us have considered something less than diligent, or even bad faith, was at play.

Over the last eight months our many efforts to come to an agreement have unfortunately proved elusive.

Although it's not necessarily supported by the syntax of the paragraph as a whole, I feel that this could simply be referring to the efforts of the Lindsey side (ie Lindsey's personal attempts at contacting the band members, and his management or lawyers' attempts at negotiating with the other managers and lawyers). You could say that "elusive" has that nuance of "the other side has done its best to avoid coming to the table."

HomerMcvie

10-25-2018, 01:48 AM

Just like Dick Fleetwood, Irving knows on which side his bread is buttered. Old Goat Stank influenced it, I'd wager.

sodascouts

10-25-2018, 06:50 AM

Azoff's role in all this is murky to me. You'd think he would have been an ideal go-between as Lindsey's manager as well as overseeing Fleetwood Mac. Instead, it appears he was not using his influence on Lindsey's behalf at all, just acting as Stevie's messenger and then washing his hands of Lindsey. Perhaps that's inaccurate but that's how it seems from the article.

HejiraNYC

10-25-2018, 11:50 AM

And ultimately that is it in a nutshell – it’s not possible to have an informed opinion without facts and knowledge and the only people truly in possession of that are the five themselves.
As they say to “ASSUME is to make an ASS out of U and ME”

The saga of the lawsuit, the he said and she said, will continue and more of the story will come to light and ledgies will comment and debate but hopefully without some of the unnecessary vitriol of late.

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SteveMacD

10-25-2018, 05:54 PM

sasja

10-25-2018, 06:56 PM

The saga of the lawsuit, the he said and she said, will continue and more of the story will come to light and ledgies will comment and debate but hopefully without some of the unnecessary vitriol of late.
:mad: WAAAAY too late for that, the injustice has been done and has gotten people justifiably incensed. Here's to warranted outrage and vitriol!

DownOnRodeo

10-25-2018, 08:21 PM

It’s like Lindsey must have said or done something that irritated Azoff enough to not want to be the go between, or even Lindsey’s manager, anymore…

Yeah fine, but in that case, Azoff still would have had a fiduciary duty to act in the best interests of any artist he represented, ie Lindsey. If Azoff's response to the anti-Classic Hits comments/behavior was to remain as Lindsey's manager while facilitating the situation by which Lindsey became unable to participate in the FM tour despite it ultimately being in Lindsey's best financial and career interests to do so, he would be in breach of that duty.

SteveMacD

10-25-2018, 09:55 PM

Yeah fine, but in that case, Azoff still would have had a fiduciary duty to act in the best interests of any artist he represented, ie Lindsey. If Azoff's response to the anti-Classic Hits comments/behavior was to remain as Lindsey's manager while facilitating the situation by which Lindsey became unable to participate in the FM tour despite it ultimately being in Lindsey's best financial and career interests to do so, he would be in breach of that duty.

And???

Do you think he’s going to lose sleep over someone not playing to 2000 people?

Dude’s probably the richest guy in the industry. Do you think he cares?

DownOnRodeo

10-25-2018, 10:26 PM

And???

Do you think he’s going to lose sleep over someone not playing to 2000 people?

Dude’s probably the richest guy in the industry. Do you think he cares?

Difficult to respond to a nonsequitir post. Suffice to say that his role in what went down is of great interest. I wonder who will play Mogul Moneybags the Mischievous Manager in the telemovie we hopefully get one day.

SteveMacD

10-25-2018, 10:46 PM

Difficult to respond to a nonsequitir post. Suffice to say that his role in what went down is of great interest. I wonder who will play Mogul Moneybags the Mischievous Manager in the telemovie we hopefully get one day.

I could have made a point to point post, but would still have come to the same conclusion. Lindsey became a liability to Azoff. There were other players available to make up for the 2000 seats vacated by Lindsey fans, if that was even an issue. And, unlike Burnette/Vito, Finn and Campbell are respected musicians with their own followings.

Look, I love Lindsey (and Billy and Rick, for that matter), but I suspect he blew it with the two people who actually matter (Stevie and Azoff).

DownOnRodeo

10-25-2018, 11:11 PM

There were other players available to make up for the 2000 seats vacated by Lindsey fans

Ah, I see what you meant now, sorry.

But anyway, you're just extrapolating on my point that Irving, who was presumably contractually obliged to represent the best interests of his client Lindsey, may not have been doing so in connection with the matter of this FM tour. In which case, there would be questions of legal liability and professional standards/ethics violations.

Even if we assume that Lindsey "blew it" with Irving as the King of Concerts due to, say, public attitude or remarks in 2017, Irving as the Manager of Lindsey Buckingham likely had contractual and ethical obligations to remove himself as Lindsey's manager, not stay at the helm to ensure that the ship sailed straight into the iceberg.

And as for the notion that "people who matter" are the bullies with money and a face--their downfalls are always the hardest.

SteveMacD

10-25-2018, 11:25 PM

Ah, I see what you meant now, sorry.

But anyway, you're just extrapolating on my point that Irving, who was presumably contractually obliged to represent the best interests of his client Lindsey, may not have been doing so in connection with the matter of this FM tour. In which case, there would be questions of legal liability and professional standards/ethics violations.
To which he could argue that Lindsey breached his contract by going out of his way to hurt something he was heavily invested in.

Even if we assume that Lindsey "blew it" with Irving as the King of Concerts due to, say, public attitude or remarks in 2017, Irving as the Manager of Lindsey Buckingham likely had contractual and ethical obligations to remove himself as Lindsey's manager, not stay at the helm to ensure that the ship sailed straight into the iceberg.
To which Azoff could counter that Buckingham breached the contract by talking down the show. We’re not industry lawyers, so none of us know. I just know I thought he was in trouble when I heard him say that.

HomerMcvie

10-26-2018, 12:34 AM

SteveMacD

10-26-2018, 12:41 AM

It certainly sounds like Irving failed his client, and is probably liable, on some legal level.

However, is he even sue-able? I'm certain he has more money than god. I just googled, and got 300 million.

Exactly. He’s not losing a night’s sleep, could singularly bury Lindsey’s case, could easily get the band out of a jam, and will still have his firm book gigs for Lindsey. What? We weren’t supposed to notice that Live Nation is still in charge of Lindsey’s gigs?

Just enjoy the music.

David

10-26-2018, 12:03 PM

Just enjoy the music. As Kate Bush sang, "Eat the music."

jbrownsjr

10-26-2018, 12:03 PM

As Kate Bush sang, "Eat the music."

Whilst she was running up that hill.

sodascouts

10-26-2018, 01:18 PM

But anyway, you're just extrapolating on my point that Irving, who was presumably contractually obliged to represent the best interests of his client Lindsey, may not have been doing so in connection with the matter of this FM tour. In which case, there would be questions of legal liability and professional standards/ethics violations.To which he could argue that Lindsey breached his contract by going out of his way to hurt something he was heavily invested in.

To which Azoff could counter that Buckingham breached the contract by talking down the show. We’re not industry lawyers, so none of us know. I just know I thought he was in trouble when I heard him say that.

Wow. The degree to which you have blown up that comment is mind-boggling.

Now it's so horrific that a manager is no longer legally obliged to represent his client to the best of his ability, despite happily taking a percentage of that naughty client's money? He is allowed to secretly not provide a service which he is telling his client he is providing, and is accepting money to provide? He's allowed to commit fraud?

Wow. Just wow.

I don't have to be an industry lawyer to see the flaws in that logic.

Irving Azoff is not that foolish or petty. He went with the money. The money was with Stevie.

SteveMacD

10-26-2018, 03:26 PM

Wow. The degree to which you have blown up that comment is mind-boggling.
Really? Is it any less ridiculous than issuing an ultimatum to fire Lindsey over a smirk?

dreamsunwind

10-26-2018, 03:51 PM

Wow. The degree to which you have blown up that comment is mind-boggling.

Now it's so horrific that a manager is no longer legally obliged to represent his client to the best of his ability, despite happily taking a percentage of that naughty client's money? He is allowed to secretly not provide a service which he is telling his client he is providing, and is accepting money to provide? He's allowed to commit fraud?

Wow. Just wow.

I don't have to be an industry lawyer to see the flaws in that logic.

Irving Azoff is not that foolish or petty. He went with the money. The money was with Stevie.

This comment. 100%. Especially the last line.

dreamsunwind

10-26-2018, 03:53 PM

Really? Is it any less ridiculous than issuing an ultimatum to fire Lindsey over a smirk?

He wasn't fired over a smirk. Stevie had a list of things that annoyed her and that was one of them. He was fired because Stevie decided she didn't want to tour with him anymore and Irv Azoff isn't going to lose the money that comes with losing Stevie. That is why he was fired.

jwd

10-26-2018, 06:01 PM

Lindsey already told us the answer. THEY LOST THEIR PERSPECTIVE!!! Money and not wanting to work through their problems, themselves, without all the other Jane and John Does getting involved.

#Team Lindsey!

ali101

10-26-2018, 09:10 PM

The fact that his manager is none other than Irving Azoff has been a cause of head-scratching and theorizing. For example, you could go with the theory that it was Irving who played a big role in dropping Lindsey, because (i) Irving is very well-off and doesn't need Lindsey for his solo career, (ii) Irving was annoyed that Lindsey wasn't happily towing the line regarding his vision for FM as a Classic Hits touring machine, (iii) Irving was convinced by Stevie's camp that they could swap out Lindsey for "Mike plus one" and most people wouldn't care too much."

I would agree that Azoff may have had more than a hand in this process. It would appear from his dealings and lawsuits that he likes the upper hand at all times. Lindseys comment regarding Classic West was a massive mistake and created negative publicity, and as you rightly mention wasn’t particularly subscribing to the “classic hits touring machine”
The Mac money machine has a short lease of life, nearing the end of the road but heading into stadiums massively increases the pay day and Azoff was fully aware of the differences in opinion regarding touring, recording etc on top of the preexisting conflicts and the loss of “perspective”
A kicking and screaming fallout attached to a media fed lawsuit advertises both FM & LB tours and an LB back catalogue a whole lot more than Lindsey going awol from either band or tour and drifting into his studio to redefine his creativity towards a less compliant vision of making money. Just because Azoff has a fortune doesn’t stop him from wanting to make money. Au contraire - c’est sa raison d’etre.
Media articles and reviews mention that you can go see the Mac perform a Lindseyless GYOW and also a solo LB perform a Macless GYOW so it’s all publicity, top drawer gossip and money all the way. The last time he was absent from the band they played stadiums. In 1990 they played at Wembley Stadium and now they are going back. The European leg of this incarnation so far is a 3 date moneymaker. Coincidence?

There are more layers to the break up than a onion.

gldstwmn

10-28-2018, 10:47 AM

Exactly. He’s not losing a night’s sleep, could singularly bury Lindsey’s case, could easily get the band out of a jam, and will still have his firm book gigs for Lindsey. What? We weren’t supposed to notice that Live Nation is still in charge of Lindsey’s gigs?

Just enjoy the music.
He's playing AEG venues this tour.

cbBen

11-01-2018, 05:08 PM

I cant believe they are performing his songs on this tour.

It's egregious. I might understand if it were only "Go Your Own Way" but to play the others after firing him is ridiculous. Would the audience really go home disappointed for not hearing "Second Hand News"?

michelej1

11-01-2018, 06:23 PM

They used Don’t Let Me Down Again to send a message before, a song no one even knew.

If they really wanted to rub Lindsey’s nose in it, they would perform a hot version of NGBA, something that he is physically incapable of doing now, in his dotage.

cbBen

11-01-2018, 06:24 PM

They used Don’t Let Me Down Again to send a message before, a song no one even knew.

When was that?

michelej1

11-01-2018, 06:34 PM

When was that?

In 1987.

Michele

SteveMacD

11-09-2018, 08:04 PM

So, with Neil Finn posting about new FM music in the works, I wonder what this does to the “contract players” part of Lindsey’s complaint.

bombaysaffires

11-09-2018, 08:26 PM

So, with Neil Finn posting about new FM music in the works, I wonder what this does to the “contract players” part of Lindsey’s complaint.

I'm not sure from that ambiguous clip we can infer anything real about 'new FM music'. It's not clear on that clip, to me, whether he was being serious or making a joke, given that it was a couple seconds long, it was weird electronic robotic noise, and he was in a big bathrobe and swimming goggles. :shrug:

SteveMacD

11-10-2018, 12:20 AM

I'm not sure from that ambiguous clip we can infer anything real about 'new FM music'. It's not clear on that clip, to me, whether he was being serious or making a joke, given that it was a couple seconds long, it was weird electronic robotic noise, and he was in a big bathrobe and swimming goggles. :shrug:

That’s not even weird by Fleetwood Mac standards.