Are you Team Lindsey or Team Fleetwood Mac? Who are u routing for in the lawsuit?

[The Chain]

You already got one. Its called Say You Will. It almost never materialized because your idol threatened to hold the masters hostage and showed that he no longer had the magic touch when it came to the production of the songs. John Shanks saved What's the World Coming to and preserved the Brian Wilson like feel to the song (it reminds me of Palisades Park). Chris Lord Alge mixed Destiny Rules to perfection. If that song isn't a Fleetwood Mac song I don't know what is. "The Master" ruined Smile At You and Shanks was once again tapped to finish Everybody Finds Out. Sure Murrow and Miranda are great and Bleed to Love Her is classic in the FM vein. I mean with 18 songs some were bound to be good if not even great. I did like his work on Thrown Down. The Chris Lord Alge remix of Say You Will is superior to the album version. There's a reason this is the last Rumours era record. The situation became completely untenable. And while Christine is on the record it's a crime they they didn't really let her record.

Please. Smile At You went from a tepid, generic romp into an incredibly unique arrangement that made room for incredible bass from John, and it's one of Stevie's strongest vocals on the album. Maybe Stevie could have saved SYW, or BuckVie for that matter with her magical production touch.. oh wait..

And at the end of the day, with all the concessions Lindsey had reportedly been trying to make over the last 5 or so years to get her into the studio, bringing on Froom (there's even that one interview where he mentioned Dave Stewart was a possibility) writing in her key, you know, being an adult and opening the door to a true collaboration, only to have it slammed shut by a bitter old narcissist who'd rather play guest star on television shows, gush about Harry Styles or appear w Haim, or whoever else will praise her in some sad publicity stunt so she can lap up the attention rather than create as an artist.. you're so right, Stevie is not the petulant child at fault here. She didn't kill this band. Lindsey did.:rolleyes:

[sasja]

Please. Smile At You went from a tepid, generic romp into an incredibly unique arrangement that made room for incredible bass from John, and it's one of Stevie's strongest vocals on the album. Maybe Stevie could have saved SYW, or BuckVie for that matter with her magical production touch.. oh wait..

And at the end of the day, with all the concessions Lindsey had reportedly been trying to make over the last 5 or so years to get her into the studio, bringing on Froom (there's even that one interview where he mentioned Dave Stewart was a possibility) writing in her key, you know, being an adult and opening the door to a true collaboration, only to have it slammed shut by a bitter old narcissist who'd rather play guest star on television shows, gush about Harry Styles or appear w Haim, or whoever else will praise her in some sad publicity stunt so she can lap up the attention rather than create as an artist.. you're so right, Stevie is not the petulant child at fault here. She didn't kill this band. Lindsey did.:rolleyes:

That thing about nice guys finishing last.
Please also spare me the "but, but 40 years ago he may have been a GF beater once!" rhetoric.
Nice guy, trying to do the right thing and bending over backwards. Disheartening how seldom that seems to pay.

[secondhandchain]

You already got one. Its called Say You Will. It almost never materialized because your idol threatened to hold the masters hostage and showed that he no longer had the magic touch when it came to the production of the songs. John Shanks saved What's the World Coming to and preserved the Brian Wilson like feel to the song (it reminds me of Palisades Park). Chris Lord Alge mixed Destiny Rules to perfection. If that song isn't a Fleetwood Mac song I don't know what is. "The Master" ruined Smile At You and Shanks was once again tapped to finish Everybody Finds Out. Sure Murrow and Miranda are great and Bleed to Love Her is classic in the FM vein. I mean with 18 songs some were bound to be good if not even great. I did like his work on Thrown Down. The Chris Lord Alge remix of Say You Will is superior to the album version. There's a reason this is the last Rumours era record. The situation became completely untenable. And while Christine is on the record it's a crime they they didn't really let her record.

You have the THICKEST HEAD I have ever come in contact with. HOW MANY TIMES do we have to say that for many of us, Stevie USED to be our idol too. SHE ruined that. "your idol" OMFG

[gldstwmn]

That's interesting seeing that Shanks did not work on Everybody Finds Out. He CO-producded with Buckingham two Lindsey compositions What's the World Coming To and Peacekeeper. He added keyboards to World and guitar to Peacekeeper.

I know you are passionate about this fight but Stevie is going to be just fine without you and Lindsey is going to be just fine without Stevie or his sycophants here and you don't have to tear him down at each turn with half-truthed narratives.

That's it. I'm going to have to watch Destiny Rules again after like 10 years because I could swear Shanks finished that song. Maybe I'm getting it confused with Every Day from TISL which he wrote. That's another good song and a shame it didn't really hit.

[The Chain]

You have the THICKEST HEAD I have ever come in contact with. HOW MANY TIMES do we have to say that for many of us, Stevie USED to be our idol too. SHE ruined that. "your idol" OMFG

Used to have equal love for all members of the Mac, and all 3 songwriters are so important to me, some of the biggest influences I have as a musician myself. But when it comes to the reality of their personalities, in the here and now, Stevie has just become an embarrassment, insufferable these days. Cringeworthy even. That said, I could never just blindly defend any of them, they're all guilty of being terrible, and terrible to each other, at some point in their lives. But we're talking about right now. Which is why its humorous to me when people like gldstwmn continuously try to deflect and project their own sycophantic tendencies onto those who are just pissed at what, for the time being, with all the info, seems to be a raw deal for Lindsey. But for a few people on this board, the ancient queen will always fart gold dust at the rainbow's end, and is totally incapable of any wrongdoing. It's so pathetic it's humorous.

[justcrazylove]

Please. Smile At You went from a tepid, generic romp into an incredibly unique arrangement that made room for incredible bass from John, and it's one of Stevie's strongest vocals on the album. Maybe Stevie could have saved SYW, or BuckVie for that matter with her magical production touch.. oh wait..

And at the end of the day, with all the concessions Lindsey had reportedly been trying to make over the last 5 or so years to get her into the studio, bringing on Froom (there's even that one interview where he mentioned Dave Stewart was a possibility) writing in her key, you know, being an adult and opening the door to a true collaboration, only to have it slammed shut by a bitter old narcissist who'd rather play guest star on television shows, gush about Harry Styles or appear w Haim, or whoever else will praise her in some sad publicity stunt so she can lap up the attention rather than create as an artist.. you're so right, Stevie is not the petulant child at fault here. She didn't kill this band. Lindsey did.:rolleyes:

This! allll of this! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[HomerMcvie]

Used to have equal love for all members of the Mac, all 3 are so important to me, some of the biggest influences I have as a musician myself. But when it comes to the reality of their personalities, in the here and now, Stevie has just become an embarrassment, insufferable these days. Cringeworthy even. That said, I could never just blindly defend any of them, they're all guilty of being terrible, and terrible to each other, at some point in their lives. But we're talking about right now. Which it's why its humorous to me when people like gldstwmn continuously try to deflect and project their own sycophantic tendencies onto those who are just pissed at what, for the time being, with all the info, seems to be a raw deal for Lindsey. But for a few people on this board, the ancient queen will always fart gold dust at the rainbow's end, and is totally incapable of any wrongdoing. It's so pathetic it's humorous.
I would like to buy you a drink!:angel:

[lovethemac1]

Please. Smile At You went from a tepid, generic romp into an incredibly unique arrangement that made room for incredible bass from John, and it's one of Stevie's strongest vocals on the album. Maybe Stevie could have saved SYW, or BuckVie for that matter with her magical production touch.. oh wait..

And at the end of the day, with all the concessions Lindsey had reportedly been trying to make over the last 5 or so years to get her into the studio, bringing on Froom (there's even that one interview where he mentioned Dave Stewart was a possibility) writing in her key, you know, being an adult and opening the door to a true collaboration, only to have it slammed shut by a bitter old narcissist who'd rather play guest star on television shows, gush about Harry Styles or appear w Haim, or whoever else will praise her in some sad publicity stunt so she can lap up the attention rather than create as an artist.. you're so right, Stevie is not the petulant child at fault here. She didn't kill this band. Lindsey did.:rolleyes:

Used to have equal love for all members of the Mac, all 3 are so important to me, some of the biggest influences I have as a musician myself. But when it comes to the reality of their personalities, in the here and now, Stevie has just become an embarrassment, insufferable these days. Cringeworthy even. That said, I could never just blindly defend any of them, they're all guilty of being terrible, and terrible to each other, at some point in their lives. But we're talking about right now. Which it's why its humorous to me when people like gldstwmn continuously try to deflect and project their own sycophantic tendencies onto those who are just pissed at what, for the time being, with all the info, seems to be a raw deal for Lindsey. But for a few people on this board, the ancient queen will always fart gold dust at the rainbow's end, and is totally incapable of any wrongdoing. It's so pathetic it's humorous.

I want to buy you a drink too!! You are so dead-on with these posts. Thank you!

[The Chain]

I would like to buy you a drink!:angel:

I want to buy you a drink too!! You are so dead-on with these posts. Thank you!

One of these days I'll have to travel around to see Bucky so I can finally mingle with some ledgies! Splitting my time between Alaska & Oklahoma, its usually OKC or Tulsa, though I've been lucky enough to catch the Mac in LA twice while visiting family, and BuckVie at the amazing Chateau St Michelle winery in Washington on my way back from AK last summer. Probably the most beautiful venue I've ever had the privilege of attending a show at!

[cbBen]

Who deserves to win the lawsuit is a function solely of what the arrangement within the group was. That said, all things equal I'm on team Lindsey.

First, they slandered him by lying about the reason for his firing (even going so far as to deny it was a firing as such). Second, as a general rule, and absent something egregious from the other person, I think "him or me" ultimatums should not go the way of the person making them.

[gldstwmn]

First, they slandered him by lying about the reason for his firing (even going so far as to deny it was a firing as such).

The legal standard for slander hasn't been met. That bar is extremely high.

[cbBen]

I'm using it colloquially. My point is they made him out to be the difficult one and claimed he insisted on delaying their tour by a year's time, which was just a lie. Mick went so far as to say it was an impasse not a firing, when it was indeed a firing prompted by an ultimatum from Stevie Nicks.

[secondhandchain]

Please. Smile At You went from a tepid, generic romp into an incredibly unique arrangement that made room for incredible bass from John, and it's one of Stevie's strongest vocals on the album. Maybe Stevie could have saved SYW, or BuckVie for that matter with her magical production touch.. oh wait..

And at the end of the day, with all the concessions Lindsey had reportedly been trying to make over the last 5 or so years to get her into the studio, bringing on Froom (there's even that one interview where he mentioned Dave Stewart was a possibility) writing in her key, you know, being an adult and opening the door to a true collaboration, only to have it slammed shut by a bitter old narcissist who'd rather play guest star on television shows, gush about Harry Styles or appear w Haim, or whoever else will praise her in some sad publicity stunt so she can lap up the attention rather than create as an artist.. you're so right, Stevie is not the petulant child at fault here. She didn't kill this band. Lindsey did.:rolleyes:

S.P.O.T. O.N!!!!

[cbBen]

After reading the documents, watching the Music Cares speech and the Rolling Stone interview, I gotta be fair. Lindsey is right. I hope he wins. I'm sad Stevie is behind this.

I just watched the speech. Christine started it by looking at her watch as a joke, then Lindsey very mildly joined in. That was my impression anyway.

What was the issue with the intro music that upset Lindsey? I don't understand the issue there. Does anyone have a link to that, and can anyone explain?

Thanks.

[jwd]

105-12?! Really?! I think we have a winner. ;)

[DownOnRodeo]

105-12?! Really?! I think we have a winner. ;)

I'll say--AND that doesn't even factor in (i) the overwhelming preponderance of avid Stevie fans, (ii) that many users declined to vote because, like Lindsey, they don't see any "winners" from this, and (iii) those who voted "Fleetwood Mac" because, like Lindsey, they want the band to stay together not splinter at this stage of its life.

[elle]

105-12?! Really?! I think we have a winner. ;)

:laugh: i thought Lindsey had only 12 fans........ how come there are 105 people here saying he should win? :p :cool:

[jwd]

I'll say--AND that doesn't even factor in (i) the overwhelming preponderance of avid Stevie fans, (ii) that many users declined to vote because, like Lindsey, they don't see any "winners" from this, and (iii) those who voted "Fleetwood Mac" because, like Lindsey, they want the band to stay together not splinter at this stage of its life.

Surely you jest. Surely you see the ridiculousness of that argument? I know you do. You're such a clown. :p

[jwd]

:laugh: i thought Lindsey had only 12 fans........ how come there are 105 people here saying he should win? :p :cool:

Who sang that song? About times a changin'? C'mon someone help me out. I hate having these things stuck in my head. Bob Dylan?! :laugh:


ETA YES YES

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[HomerMcvie]

Who sang that song? About times a changin'? C'mon someone help me out. I hate having these things stuck in my head. Bob Dylan?! :laugh:


ETA YES YES

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Would you say that to Bob Dylan? Or Old Goat Breath?

[Jondalar]

How long before goes to court?

[Storms123]

How long before goes to court?

Kristen had an interesting tweet earlier. Not sure how to tag it here, but interesting nonetheless.

[kak125]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So it seems they weren’t looking forward to their day in court...duh<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/biglieslittlelove?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#biglieslittlelove</a></p>&mdash; Kristen Buckingham (@KBChrush) <a href="https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1063973892413214720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 18, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[dreamsunwind]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So it seems they weren’t looking forward to their day in court...duh<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/biglieslittlelove?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#biglieslittlelove</a></p>&mdash; Kristen Buckingham (@KBChrush) <a href="https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1063973892413214720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 18, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wow, anyone with decently functioning brain cells would've known they'd settle but that's a lot quicker than I expected.
I imagine they probably paid a big chunk of cash and had them sign an NDA.

[cbBen]

Happy for Lindsey. He comported himself well through this ordeal.

[Jondalar]

Is Lindsey going to accept the offer? I’m happy for him.

[cbBen]

It's unclear from the Twitter thread. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[elle]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So it seems they weren’t looking forward to their day in court...duh<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/biglieslittlelove?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#biglieslittlelove</a></p>&mdash; Kristen Buckingham (@KBChrush) <a href="https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1063973892413214720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 18, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

sounds like lying lairs offered to settle.

doubt that LB would accept their first offer. or anything that would prevent him from talking about what happened - if he was gonna do that he'd go with their tale that he "left" the band back in the spring.

[Jondalar]

sounds like lying lairs offered to settle.

doubt that LB would accept their first offer. or anything that would prevent him from talking about what happened - if he was gonna do that he'd go with their tale that he "left" the band back in the spring.

It’s obvious though that The Band is in the wrong. There has not been a post to the contrary that convinced me otherwise. He got fired out of pettiness. The Buckinghams and their attorneys know that his is a no brainer.

[DownOnRodeo]

Sounds like the band's attorneys knows a losing case when they see one!

I wish Stevie would have to pay extra damages out of her own pocket.

[mitzo]

Enough already. Finished. The genius can move on now and the personifications of pure evil go their own way.

[sleepless child]

Wow! I was just wondering about the court case last night. Well, it looks like that went away quick.

Someday we will get more of the story, I'm glad it appears to be settled and they can all move on.

But boy, the damage it did. I wonder if Stevie even realizes that there are fans of hers who have had a hard time with this. I know I have. For the first time since 1975, I have not gone to see Fleetwood Mac in concert. That's on her and Mick.

[vivfox]

I bet they'll just add more shows onto the tour to make up for the money they used to pay Lindsey off. So you know that means us fans will be paying for it.:laugh:

[HomerMcvie]

But boy, the damage it did. I wonder if Stevie even realizes that there are fans of hers who have had a hard time with this. I know I have. For the first time since 1975, I have not gone to see Fleetwood Mac in concert. That's on her and Mick.

I was thinking about this the other day, too. Even though I'm not a rabid fan who goes to 100 shows on every tour, I HAVE GONE TO ONE SHOW FROM EVERY TOUR, SINCE TUSK. And I'm done. Firing Lindsey crossed the line, and I'm done. It's weird to think about, that you've followed a band for your entire life, through thick and thin, and that they can do something so horrendous, that you lose your will to ever see them again.

[Steviegirl]

Wow! I was just wondering about the court case last night. Well, it looks like that went away quick.

Someday we will get more of the story, I'm glad it appears to be settled and they can all move on.

But boy, the damage it did. I wonder if Stevie even realizes that there are fans of hers who have had a hard time with this. I know I have. For the first time since 1975, I have not gone to see Fleetwood Mac in concert. That's on her and Mick.

Same. I've never missed a tour, but I refuse to go now after what's transpired. It just wasn't right. And whilst I have nothing against N&M--especially Michael, since he and his wife do so much for dogs--it just seems like a patched together nostalgia act. I think it might end up polluting the legacy of TPaTH, too when Stevie tries to step into the role of TP and go on the road with The Heartbreakers...at least the Heartbreakers who will go along with that fiasco. Sad. :( It appears, though, that our disdain for this isn't impacting the shows. I guess a lot of people want to hear "Dreams" for the billionth time because they heard it on the radio. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

:laugh: i thought Lindsey had only 12 fans........ how come there are 105 people here saying he should win? :p :cool:

Voter surpression? :confused: :eek: :lol: :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

Who sang that song? About times a changin'? C'mon someone help me out. I hate having these things stuck in my head. Bob Dylan?! :laugh:




He also sang this one:
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[gldstwmn]

It’s obvious though that The Band is in the wrong. There has not been a post to the contrary that convinced me otherwise. He got fired out of pettiness. The Buckinghams and their attorneys know that his is a no brainer.

We don't know any of that. It's a tweet FFS. What's the status of the case? Does the court website provide any hints? Otherwise it's a whole lotta nothin'.

[gldstwmn]

Enough already. Finished. The genius can move on now and the personifications of pure evil go their own way.

Once upon a time you dressed so fine
You threw the bums a dime in your prime,
Didn't you?
People'd call, say "Beware doll, you're
Bound to fall"
You thought they were all kiddin' you
You used to laugh about
Everybody that was hangin' out
Now you don't walk so proud
Now you don't talk so loud
About having to be scrounging for your
Next meal
How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
A complete unknown
Just like a rolling stone?

[gldstwmn]

Wow! I was just wondering about the court case last night. Well, it looks like that went away quick.



Yes! What's her name said something on Twitter and that's it, the end. Now off with their heads!

[elle]

It’s obvious though that The Band is in the wrong. There has not been a post to the contrary that convinced me otherwise. He got fired out of pettiness. The Buckinghams and their attorneys know that his is a no brainer.

i would like for it to be all over and him being completely free to realize his plans for next year and beyond. i would hate a repeat of the first half of this year, when he had all these big plans and all fell apart in january. and if he's not tied to the nostalgia circuit in any way anymore he can really do a lot of stuff he had to constantly keep on the back-burner!

on the other hand, with all the people out there trying to not only diminish his legacy with Fleetwood Mac but also constantly throwing all kinds of nasty personal attacks on him, i also kinda wish this goes to court and all gets exposed, and truth about everything comes out. if you have to constantly yell "move on!' "get over it!" followed by throwing personal insults to LB, his wife, and people searching for truth, there's obviously something you don't want to be known.

[Buster]

Same. I've never missed a tour, but I refuse to go now after what's transpired. It just wasn't right. And whilst I have nothing against N&M--especially Michael, since he and his wife do so much for dogs--it just seems like a patched together nostalgia act. I think it might end up polluting the legacy of TPaTH, too when Stevie tries to step into the role of TP and go on the road with The Heartbreakers...at least the Heartbreakers who will go along with that fiasco. Sad. :( It appears, though, that our disdain for this isn't impacting the shows. I guess a lot of people want to hear "Dreams" for the billionth time because they heard it on the radio. :shrug:

That’s exactly it. Tons of people are rewarding poor behavior by shrugging their shoulders and shelling out hundreds of $ to see a farce of a band. The reviews that say Lindsey wasn’t missed it isn’t needed definitely don’t help.

[gldstwmn]

That’s exactly it. Tons of people are rewarding poor behavior by shrugging their shoulders and shelling out hundreds of $ to see a farce of a band. The reviews that say Lindsey wasn’t missed it isn’t needed definitely don’t help.

The band isn't a farce. It's a continuation of what Fleetwood Mac has been. "This world of changing faces..." How people spend their money is up to them. If the product sucked no one would buy it. But clearly it doesn't and there is still a demand without Lindsey Buckingham. Like I said earlier:
How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
A complete unknown
Just like a rolling stone?

He eschewed the big machine, dissed it in the press, talked about artistic integrity. Now he's palying 750 seat theaters and can do whatever the hell he wants and NOW he wants money? Oh man. That's rich.

[secondhandchain]

He eschewed the big machine, dissed it in the press, talked about artistic integrity. Now he's palying 750 seat theaters and can do whatever the hell he wants and NOW he wants money? Oh man. That's rich.[/QUOTE]

WHAT????????????? He AGREED to the tour. He did NOT eschew the big machine. Yes he wanted artistic integrity and that meant wanting to put out NEW music, but tambourine goat said NO.

[elle]

Who sang that song? About times a changin'? C'mon someone help me out. I hate having these things stuck in my head. Bob Dylan?! :laugh:


ETA YES YES

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:) apparently so!

View Poll Results: Who are you routing for to win the lawsuit?

I’m routing for Lindsey to win. 109 90.08%
I’m routing for Fleetwood Mac to win. 12 9.92%

[dreamsunwind]

He eschewed the big machine, dissed it in the press, talked about artistic integrity. Now he's palying 750 seat theaters and can do whatever the hell he wants and NOW he wants money? Oh man. That's rich.

WHAT????????????? He AGREED to the tour. He did NOT eschew the big machine. Yes he wanted artistic integrity and that meant wanting to put out NEW music, but tambourine goat said NO.

I'm the last person to call Stevie a tambourine goat but I agree with this. How can anyone argue that Lindsey was "eschewing" anything when he was the band member that above and by far was the one who most wanted them to make a final album and tour it so that they could wrap up their legacy in the most fulfilling way. He wanted that badly and it was Miss "albums don't sell, what's the point of the hassle if albums don't sell" who shot that horse in the face.

[dreamsunwind]

But boy, the damage it did. I wonder if Stevie even realizes that there are fans of hers who have had a hard time with this. I know I have. For the first time since 1975, I have not gone to see Fleetwood Mac in concert. That's on her and Mick.

I'm sure she has some kind of an idea-- she may live in a bubble but she doesn't live on Mars.
I was always a big Stevie fan, even when she annoyed me with things she said or did I was still a fan of her because I never deluded myself into thinking she's someone who was ever some goddess great person so none of those little things ever changed my overall view of her. But this has. I guess I'll always like her music but I never would've thought she could be so selfish.

[bombaysaffires]

I'm sure she has some kind of an idea-- she may live in a bubble but she doesn't live on Mars.
I was always a big Stevie fan, even when she annoyed me with things she said or did I was still a fan of her because I never deluded myself into thinking she's someone who was ever some goddess great person so none of those little things ever changed my overall view of her. But this has. I guess I'll always like her music but I never would've thought she could be so selfish.

^This.

She was probably the biggest pull to FM for me back in the mid 70s. And then I was so excited for her solo work and bought it all, and went to the tours. And I was so thrilled when they all got back together for The Dance, and happy for her that Silver Springs finally saw the light of day and got the recognition it deserved.

But her lack of ambition to do any new music after 2003 because if she couldn't be #1 on the charts then why bother really started to turn me. And then she called herself a legend in some interview, and the light went off-- she just wants to live off her legacy, it's too hard to do new stuff. But then she did a new solo album (IYD) and I thought ok she's come around. But that was an anomaly, and it played to her worst fears of not selling millions and it feels like that was the last gasp.

The ousting of Lindsey was the final straw. Others can disagree, but pushing him out seemed like a case of finally finding the right moment to take her fatal shot, and she took it. Very cold, very nasty, very calculating. Not a great way to end a legacy.......so it had to be a personal thing.

[Storms123]

I'm sure she has some kind of an idea-- she may live in a bubble but she doesn't live on Mars.
I was always a big Stevie fan, even when she annoyed me with things she said or did I was still a fan of her because I never deluded myself into thinking she's someone who was ever some goddess great person so none of those little things ever changed my overall view of her. But this has. I guess I'll always like her music but I never would've thought she could be so selfish.

The lack of press they've done on this tour is astounding. And I think we can all understand why. Stevie is sheltered by her people but she's very much aware of what it being said. When this tour ends, the FM bubble will not be able to shield her. Is she going to stop promoting her solo career now too--of course not! She's going to get the questions and at some point, she (mentionitis) or Mick (and another book) will have to answer something. And yes, if Lindsey sits down for an interview at any point, he will too.

[bombaysaffires]

The lack of press they've done on this tour is astounding. And I think we can all understand why. Stevie is sheltered by her people but she's very much aware of what it being said. When this tour ends, the FM bubble will not be able to shield her. Is she going to stop promoting her solo career now too--of course not! She's going to get the questions and at some point, she (mentionitis) or Mick (and another book) will have to answer something. And yes, if Lindsey sits down for an interview at any point, he will too.

Unprecedented! Wonder if she's missing the chance to vent to the press or if she's loving being off the hook....:shrug:

[SteveMacD]

The lack of press they've done on this tour is astounding.
Legal probably has a gag order on them.

[SteveMacD]

Wow, anyone with decently functioning brain cells would've known they'd settle but that's a lot quicker than I expected.
I imagine they probably paid a big chunk of cash and had them sign an NDA.

Are you sure they settled? They might have, or they might have made a motion to dismiss, or they might have offered a settlement that was rejected.

It doesn’t sound settled. KB would probably not be tweeting things like this if it was settled.

[Storms123]

Legal probably has a gag order on them.

Oh for sure! Bet this tour wasn't how any of them thought it would go!

[gldstwmn]

Are you sure they settled? They might have, or they might have made a motion to dismiss, or they might have offered a settlement that was rejected.

It doesn’t sound settled. KB would probably not be tweeting things like this if it was settled.

The minute things start to get quiet we get yet another drip, drip, drip of information on social media to 10,000 of her closest friends. I can't believe people are falling fo this s&it.

[gldstwmn]

Oh for sure! Bet this tour wasn't how any of them thought it would go!

Do tell. How did they think it was going to go? They haven't been saying anything since before the tour. I had someone elsewhere trying to tell me Lindsey was going to get $50 million according to his sources in the legal community. That provided my comic relief for the evening.

[DownOnRodeo]

I had someone elsewhere trying to tell me Lindsey was going to get $50 million according to his sources in the legal community. That provided my comic relief for the evening.

Stevie'll need to reconsider the three-day interval between twirlings to pay that one off. :laugh:

[lovethemac1]

The minute things start to get quiet we get yet another drip, drip, drip of information on social media to 10,000 of her closest friends. I can't believe people are falling fo this s&it.

So far, your nemesis has been dead on with her tweeting “s&it.” Must be driving you nuts??

[dreamsunwind]

Are you sure they settled? They might have, or they might have made a motion to dismiss, or they might have offered a settlement that was rejected.

It doesn’t sound settled. KB would probably not be tweeting things like this if it was settled.

You're probably right, it hasn't been settled yet though I'm sure offers have been made. I guess LB has to decide what he wants to agree to.

[dreamsunwind]

The minute things start to get quiet we get yet another drip, drip, drip of information on social media to 10,000 of her closest friends. I can't believe people are falling fo this s&it.

For someone who talks about the thinly veiled misogyny in what people say about Stevie, you sure make the oddest comments about KB. First imply that she's a golddigger, then call her "what's her name" and now this. Not to mention everything she tweeted or wrote online ended up being seemingly correct. Are you 5? Kristen is perfectly entitled to express her feelings and frustrations about something that must've been a huge blow to her family. Just as Stevie is allowed to express her feelings about whatever through songs, or as you suggest, through ad libs she throws on to performances.

[DownOnRodeo]

I can't believe people are falling fo this s&it.

My thoughts exactly--about the Present Band.

[David]

The poll options . . . shouldn't they say "I'm rooting for so-and-so"?

I'm rooting for a bunch more live stuff from the old days (like the stuff that's on Tusk deluxe or white album deluxe) before I get too old to know or to care.

[HomerMcvie]

The poll options . . . shouldn't they say "I'm rooting for so-and-so"?

I'm rooting for a bunch more live stuff from the old days (like the stuff that's on Tusk deluxe or white album deluxe) before I get too old to know or to care.
I made a post earlier, mildly mocking the spelling of rooting, but deleted it.

Face it, David, nobody can spell these days. People don't care enough to try. Sigh...

[gldstwmn]

So far, your nemesis has been dead on with her tweeting “s&it.” Must be driving you nuts??

How do we know she's dead on again? Oh yeah that's right. We don't know anything. Why in the world would she be my nemesis? So dramatic. :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

For someone who talks about the thinly veiled misogyny in what people say about Stevie, you sure make the oddest comments about KB. First imply that she's a golddigger, then call her "what's her name" and now this. Not to mention everything she tweeted or wrote online ended up being seemingly correct. Are you 5? Kristen is perfectly entitled to express her feelings and frustrations about something that must've been a huge blow to her family. Just as Stevie is allowed to express her feelings about whatever through songs, or as you suggest, through ad libs she throws on to performances.

Someone needs a dictionary. :wavey:

[gldstwmn]

My thoughts exactly--about the Present Band.

Fair enough.

[lovethemac1]

For someone who talks about the thinly veiled misogyny in what people say about Stevie, you sure make the oddest comments about KB. First imply that she's a golddigger, then call her "what's her name" and now this. Not to mention everything she tweeted or wrote online ended up being seemingly correct. Are you 5? Kristen is perfectly entitled to express her feelings and frustrations about something that must've been a huge blow to her family. Just as Stevie is allowed to express her feelings about whatever through songs, or as you suggest, through ad libs she throws on to performances.

I've started to wonder if gldstwmn is actually Karen..........the dislike and disdain for all things Lindsey seems to fit. (Esp the bitterness towards Kristen) And the absolute belief in her own words. :shrug:

[HomerMcvie]

I've started to wonder if gldstwmn is actually Karen..........the dislike and disdain for all things Lindsey seems to fit. (Esp the bitterness towards Kristen) And the absolute belief in her own words. :shrug:

Well, gldstwmn is certainly....hmm...."something else".

With an axe to grind, and a self righteous opinion on everything(and response to every single post on the board).:lol::wavey:

[gldstwmn]

I've started to wonder if gldstwmn is actually Karen..........the dislike and disdain for all things Lindsey seems to fit. (Esp the bitterness towards Kristen) And the absolute belief in her own words. :shrug:

Bitterness? :lol: Again with the dramatics. I don't know her but I see her.

[gldstwmn]

With an axe to grind, and a self righteous opinion on everything(and response to every single post on the board).:lol::wavey:

You mean like you?

[HomerMcvie]

You mean like you?

Except you've got pretty much DOUBLE my number of posts, in relatively the same amount of time.

Nice try, though.

[gldstwmn]

Except you've got pretty much DOUBLE my number of posts, in relatively the same amount of time.

Nice try, though.

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[dreamsunwind]

Someone needs a dictionary. :wavey:

Nope, I think someone needs to own up to their hypocrisy. For some reason you don't like whatever Kristen says/tweets or you don't like the idea behind it or the notion that golddusted goddess Stevie was a big ole diva and did an ugly thing that warrants resentment from someone like KB so you make petty, childish remarks about it. Not too different from the people who don't like what Stevie did so they make petty, childish comments about her.

[gldstwmn]

Maybe love will find a way:
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[secondhandchain]

Stevie on Gypsy video: "We weren't getting along well then. I didn't want to be anywhere near him; I certainly didn't want to be in his arms," she says of the scene where the two are dancing. "If you watch the video, you'll see I wasn't happy. And he wasn't a very good dancer."


Just an example of how many times she's trashed LB in the press. Him... not so much. Did she have to throw in the last line?

[secondhandchain]

Maybe love will find a way:
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Yeah, nice video... and look how Stevie re payed him. Nice.

[elle]

it's interesting, i was at the FM News page yesterday, looking through the comments, asking questions of some of the commenters who were screaming "stop the negativity!" you know what prompted their comments? here's just one example: this title of the gigwise review of Lindsey's show, posted with the link to the review -

A brand new start for the sacked Mac member: 'Energised, effusive and clearly enthralled', says Lee Zimmerman, who reports for Gigwise from Knoxville


when i asked those commenters, why are they calling that extremely positive review of LB's recent show "negativity", some said - well, it says he was sacked. that's negative.

i and others replied - but that's not negative, that's just the fact. yet at least 4-5 people (who post there all the time, bashing LB) still insisted that whole post and the review was negative. they got back a number of questions and statements saying that again, this is a very nice review, and a positive and forward looking title, stating how Lindsey is making a fantastic fresh start - basically lemonade out of lemons.

so if you define anything positive about LB as "negativity" well then, maybe you have a problem? and if anything positive about him bothers you, just don't read it!

[secret love]

Are you Team Lindsey or Team Fleetwood Mac? Who are u routing for in the lawsuit?

Fleetwood Mac. Why? The fact remains that in the United States of America, an employer/boss does NOT need a valid reason to dismiss/"fire" you. They were well within their legal rights, unfortunately, and it would be best for all if NOBODY WINS and a settlement is reached or they shamefully ask Lindsey to rejoin and he gracefully accepts to, next year after this current tour and all its contractual obligations are met.
My DREAM is a 2020 Fleetwood Mac Reunion Tour.

[HomerMcvie]

Fleetwood Mac. Why? The fact remains that in the United States of America, an employer/boss does NOT need a valid reason to dismiss/"fire" you. They were well within their legal rights, unfortunately, and it would be best for all if NOBODY WINS and a settlement is reached or they shamefully ask Lindsey to rejoin and he gracefully accepts to, next year after this current tour and all its contractual obligations are met.
My DREAM is a 2020 Fleetwood Mac Reunion Tour.
You've been MIA for a while now. Vacation for you, or...?:p

[secret love]

You've been MIA for a while now. Vacation for you, or...?:p
Been busy causing havoc in the We Stand with Lindsey Facebook group!

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[HomerMcvie]

Been busy causing havoc in the We Stand with Lindsey Facebook group!

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Hopefully pro Lindsey? Since idk your real name...

[secret love]

Hopefully pro Lindsey? Since idk your real name...
Are you Natalie Newall, "Homer"?
Pro Lindsey? What do you think Sherlock?
I'm James. And that is not a big reveal, I routinely post my first name when I start threads.

[bombaysaffires]

it's interesting, i was at the FM News page yesterday, looking through the comments, asking questions of some of the commenters who were screaming "stop the negativity!" you know what prompted their comments? here's just one example: this title of the gigwise review of Lindsey's show, posted with the link to the review -

A brand new start for the sacked Mac member: 'Energised, effusive and clearly enthralled', says Lee Zimmerman, who reports for Gigwise from Knoxville


when i asked those commenters, why are they calling that extremely positive review of LB's recent show "negativity", some said - well, it says he was sacked. that's negative.

i and others replied - but that's not negative, that's just the fact. yet at least 4-5 people (who post there all the time, bashing LB) still insisted that whole post and the review was negative. they got back a number of questions and statements saying that again, this is a very nice review, and a positive and forward looking title, stating how Lindsey is making a fantastic fresh start - basically lemonade out of lemons.

so if you define anything positive about LB as "negativity" well then, maybe you have a problem? and if anything positive about him bothers you, just don't read it!


I never thought I'd say this, but that is such a classic example of generational differences-- there's a whole generation of people out there now who are so emotionally fragile that they can't handle anything that reflects reality. Any little difference of opinion, or even correcting of facts, makes a "hater". If you don't kiss my a@@ and tell me only what I want to hear, you're a "hater" and "negative" and all that crap. I fear for our society sometimes, I really, sadly, do.

[gldstwmn]

Been busy causing havoc in the We Stand with Lindsey Facebook group!

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Hahaha! Wish I could see that but I won't go anywhere near that toxic snake pit. Homie likes to dox people FYI.

[HomerMcvie]

Are you Natalie Newall, "Homer"?
Pro Lindsey? What do you think Sherlock?
I'm James. And that is not a big reveal, I routinely post my first name when I start threads.

I was napping...

And my name is in my sig here.

[HomerMcvie]

I never thought I'd say this, but that is such a classic example of generational differences-- there's a whole generation of people out there now who are so emotionally fragile that they can't handle anything that reflects reality. Any little difference of opinion, or even correcting of facts, makes a "hater". If you don't kiss my a@@ and tell me only what I want to hear, you're a "hater" and "negative" and all that crap. I fear for our society sometimes, I really, sadly, do.

I hereby nominate this post as Post of the Year.

Best.post.ever.

[SteveMacD]

so if you define anything positive about LB as "negativity" well then, maybe you have a problem? and if anything positive about him bothers you, just don't read it!
It works both ways. A lot of Team Lindsey people get offended by positive reviews of Fleetwood Mac. Like, when a review says that Neil’s voice sounds good on Lindsey’s songs, the reviewers must be getting paid off by Azoff. :rolleyes:

[Buster]

It works both ways. A lot of Team Lindsey people get offended by positive reviews of Fleetwood Mac. Like, when a review says that Neil’s voice sounds good on Lindsey’s songs, the reviewers must be getting paid off by Azoff. :rolleyes:

Yep. It’s all happening on both “sides”. At this point the only posts I can really deal with are the ones that don’t come from a place of pro-Lindsey, pro-Stevie, etc. Like your posts, SteveMacD.

[elle]

It works both ways. A lot of Team Lindsey people get offended by positive reviews of Fleetwood Mac. Like, when a review says that Neil’s voice sounds good on Lindsey’s songs, the reviewers must be getting paid off by Azoff.

the problem with the "positive" reviews, at least the ones i've seen (and i only see the ones that mention LB because they come up in the LB searches, so i can't speak about all of them) is that the reviews that mention him are trying way too hard to marginalize him. "nobody's missing LB!" is the obligatory line in these reviews. really? seriously? that's a positive?

both such reviews and also Mick every time he's asked keep dumping on him or trying to diminish his role in FM legacy. that's completely unnecessary. and it makes both Mick and the whole operation behind the "new FM" look bad and petty.

it can't be fun having your life's work being dumped on and marginalized when you are 69. and yet, no matter how hard people try, it is undeniable how much he brought to the band and contributed to the legacy.

[elle]

Yep. It’s all happening on both “sides”. At this point the only posts I can really deal with are the ones that don’t come from a place of pro-Lindsey, pro-Stevie, etc. Like your posts, SteveMacD.

you are going from thread to thread and forum to forum calling various people obnoxious. i've noticed that several times in the last few days. not exactly a positive message, yes?

i like some of your messages and don't like others. probably you feel the same way about mine. and that's a good thing. we can't all agree on everything.

[gldstwmn]

you are going from thread to thread and forum to forum calling various people obnoxious. i've noticed that several times in the last few days. not exactly a positive message, yes?

i like some of your messages and don't like others. probably you feel the same way about mine. and that's a good thing. we can't all agree on everything.

Agreed. And he has stated that the present iteration of the band is a farce (which is fine BTW) but why waste your time watching videos of a farce or posting in the farce forum? I don't get it.

[DownOnRodeo]

Agreed. And he has stated that the present iteration of the band is a farce (which is fine BTW) but why waste your time watching videos of a farce or posting in the farce forum? I don't get it.

The Farce Forum?
lol :lol: Excellent.

[secret love]

the problem with the "positive" reviews, at least the ones i've seen (and i only see the ones that mention LB because they come up in the LB searches, so i can't speak about all of them) is that the reviews that mention him are trying way too hard to marginalize him. "nobody's missing LB!" is the obligatory line in these reviews. really? seriously? that's a positive?

both such reviews and also Mick every time he's asked keep dumping on him or trying to diminish his role in FM legacy. that's completely unnecessary. and it makes both Mick and the whole operation behind the "new FM" look bad and petty.

it can't be fun having your life's work being dumped on and marginalized when you are 69. and yet, no matter how hard people try, it is undeniable how much he brought to the band and contributed to the legacy.

Empathy? Elle has it in spades, for Lindsey, but none for Mick. Think about it. How many times has Mick had to explain to the press "Is Stevie still in the band? Is Stevie going to be on the next album?" and "When if ever is Lindsey coming back (c. 1987)?" and "Is Christine going to tour?" and "Why isn't Christine on the new CD?" and "Is Bekka a full member?" and "Who's Rick Vito?"

Mick has made a living from one band. It has financed restaurants and a "solo" blues band. And a lavish lifestyle to boot. He is an expert adaptor. And he has had to be an expert liar, or else the numerous iterations of Fleetwood Mac would not have sold, including 1975 Fleetwood Mac when people missed the blues band and Bob Welch band.

[DownOnRodeo]

And he has had to be an expert liar, or else the numerous iterations of Fleetwood Mac would not have sold

You overreach in your devil's advocacy.

The 1975 album sold itself.

As Lindsey would say, it's about the music.

[HomerMcvie]

You overreach in your devil's advocacy.

The 1975 album sold itself.

As Lindsey would say, it's about the music.

And I'm 95% positive the band wouldn't have made it to 1980, if Lindsey hadn't joined. Probably not even that long.

Mother f*cker MADE them what they are. F*cking ingrates!

[gldstwmn]

Empathy? Elle has it in spades, for Lindsey, but none for Mick. Think about it. How many times has Mick had to explain to the press "Is Stevie still in the band? Is Stevie going to be on the next album?" and "When if ever is Lindsey coming back (c. 1987)?" and "Is Christine going to tour?" and "Why isn't Christine on the new CD?" and "Is Bekka a full member?" and "Who's Rick Vito?"

Mick has made a living from one band. It has financed restaurants and a "solo" blues band. And a lavish lifestyle to boot. He is an expert adaptor. And he has had to be an expert liar, or else the numerous iterations of Fleetwood Mac would not have sold, including 1975 Fleetwood Mac when people missed the blues band and Bob Welch band.But Kristen Buckingham says he's a motherf@cker! The end.

[secondhandchain]

But Kristen Buckingham says he's a motherf@cker! The end.

You really have a h on for Kristen. 19,000 and counting. Yikes.

[SteveMacD]

You overreach in your devil's advocacy.

The 1975 album sold itself.
Not really, though. Mick worked very hard to get the album promoted. At one point, the master tapes went missing and were in a pile of tapes to be erased. The label though it was only marginally better than previous albums, so Mick went label shopping and got an offer from Arista. They even had to go outside the label channels to get an alternate mix of “Over My Head” for AM radio.

[DownOnRodeo]

Not really, though. Mick worked very hard to get the album promoted. At one point, the master tapes went missing and were in a pile of tapes to be erased. The label though it was only marginally better than previous albums, so Mick went label shopping and got an offer from Arista. They even had to go outside the label channels to get an alternate mix of “Over My Head” for AM radio.

That sounds like par for the course and doesn't quite justify the assertion I was referring to, that he "had to be an expert liar" for the album to sell. Timely, tight, crisp and catchy tunes with young, fresh voices have a likely chance of being radio hits without needing to summon the Father of Lies as your promotional strategy.

[gldstwmn]

You really have a h on for Kristen. 19,000 and counting. Yikes.

And your hateful posts about Stevie are running a very close second. In fact you may have even surpassed me. But I can't be bothered to count. There's going to be turkey!

[gldstwmn]

That sounds like par for the course and doesn't quite justify the assertion I was referring to, that he "had to be an expert liar" for the album to sell. Timely, tight, crisp and catchy tunes with young, fresh voices have a likely chance of being radio hits without needing to summon the Father of Lies as your promotional strategy.

Father of lies? Is that like Father Time? :p: :lol:

[HomerMcvie]

Father of lies? Is that like Father Time? :p: :lol:

Dick and $tevie are both delusional LIARS. I wouldn't trust either one of them with anything.

[mirror69]

Are you Team Lindsey or Team Fleetwood Mac? Who are u routing for in the lawsuit?

Neither of both for me are all 5 old stupid...I love them forever but they heads are lost....it's my opinion....:mad:

[HomerMcvie]

Neither of both for me are all 5 old stupid...I love them forever but they heads are lost....it's my opinion....:mad:

I read that 3 times, yet I'm still confused as to your opinion...WHAT? :p

[mirror69]

I read that 3 times, yet I'm still confused as to your opinion...WHAT? :p


It's very simple Lindsey & The Mac both are in wrong so it's impossible to me stay with both

[gldstwmn]

It's very simple Lindsey & The Mac both are in wrong so it's impossible to me stay with both

Yes, exactly. Both are right and wrong. :cool:

[mirror69]

Yes, exactly. Both are right and wrong. :cool:

No both are wrong and we lost music from them

[secondhandchain]

And your hateful posts about Stevie are running a very close second. In fact you may have even surpassed me. But I can't be bothered to count. There's going to be turkey!

I joined the same time as you did. I have 1500 posts, you have 19,000 so....

[HomerMcvie]

I joined the same time as you did. I have 1500 posts, you have 19,000 so....

She multiplies her posts in dog years.

[secondhandchain]

She multiplies her posts in dog years.

Off topic but I was reading a FB friends post about seeing FM and how he missed Lindsey but Lindsey didn't want to tour for 18 months so they had to go on without him. SEE? Their lies on TV worked. Most people didn't hear the other side of the story. These people are repulsive.

[HomerMcvie]

Off topic but I was reading a FB friends post about seeing FM and how he missed Lindsey but Lindsey didn't want to tour for 18 months so they had to go on without him. SEE? Their lies on TV worked. Most people didn't hear the other side of the story. These people are repulsive.
Agreed. They are.

And people are stupid enough to believe their lies.

[sodascouts]

Off topic but I was reading a FB friends post about seeing FM and how he missed Lindsey but Lindsey didn't want to tour for 18 months so they had to go on without him. SEE? Their lies on TV worked. Most people didn't hear the other side of the story. These people are repulsive.

I heard the same. The person went on to say they were angry at Lindsey for making such an unreasonable demand when they were all getting "up there."

He's being unfairly maligned all over the place because fans trust their idol Stevie to tell them the truth. It doesn't even occur to them she would lie.

[secondhandchain]

He just responded back : “thanks for the update, I had only heard the other claim. That’s makes me really sad and had I known, there’s no way I would have went to the show”


Their lies worked

[elle]

He just responded back : “thanks for the update, I had only heard the other claim. That’s makes me really sad and had I known, there’s no way I would have went to the show”


Their lies worked

And that’s why the Nicks cult keeps yelling “negativity!” “misogyny!” “we do t know!” every time when someone posts the straight up facts.

I am told I was just called a grunting hog over in the “positive forum” for just straight up posting, without any comment, some completely neutral FM show review that came up in my LB search. apparently that’s ok and not misogyny- calling a female fan nasty names for no reason whatsoever. hypocrisy of some people is astounding.

[bombaysaffires]

And that’s why the Nicks cult keeps yelling “negativity!” “misogyny!” “we do t know!” every time when someone posts the straight up facts.

I am told I was just called a grunting hog over in the “positive forum” for just straight up posting, without any comment, some completely neutral FM show review that came up in my LB search. apparently that’s ok and not misogyny- calling a female fan nasty names for no reason whatsoever. hypocrisy of some people is astounding.

yeah, and from someone who constantly complains about name-calling. Guess it just depends what side of the fence one is on. :shrug: :distress:

[elle]

yeah, and from someone who constantly complains about name-calling. Guess it just depends what side of the fence one is on. :shrug: :distress:

people are projecting their own motives on others. such posts make it abundantly clear how little they know about anything they post about and how much they are willing to make up.

i'm really hoping there is some moderation left on these boards. calling posters hogs and terrorists is way beyond any reasonable discussion, no matter how much you idolize some entertainer.