Lindsey is Suing Fleetwood Mac!

[Bandon]

According to Radar Online, Lindsey is suing the other members of Fleetwood mac. http://https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2018/10/fleetwood-mac-guitarist-lindsey-buckingham-sues-band-dropping-tour/ (https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2018/10/fleetwood-mac-guitarist-lindsey-buckingham-sues-band-dropping-tour/)

Lindsey Buckingham Opens a New Window. said he was heartbroken when he was suddenly cut off from Fleetwood Mac Opens a New Window. , and now the former lead guitarist is suing his former bandmates for breach of contract after he was dropped from the band’s North American tour, according to court documents obtained exclusively by RadarOnline.com

In a suit filed at Los Angeles Superior Court, Buckingham, 69, said he and other members — Christine McVie, John McVie, Stevie Nicks Opens a New Window. and Mick Fleetwood — signed with Live Nation for a 60-show tour over the next two years, with each member poised to make about $12 to $14 million.

Buckingham claimed everyone in the band wanted to start the tour in August 2018, but he asked to push it to November because he wanted to work on his solo album. Nicks reportedly only wanted to do three shows a week, which meant the band’s North American tour would take even longer Opens a New Window. .

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The star said he and the other members agreed to Nicks’ request, and the band managers negotiated with LiveNation for 60 shows in North America, which included Buckingham.

In the affidavit, Buckingham said from December 2017 to January 2018, he also was exploring his options on whether he could embark on a small tour to promote his solo album.

Buckingham claimed he made it clear he considered the Fleetwood Mac tour as a priority and would do “whatever was necessary” to participate on the tour. However, about a week after the band performed at the Jan. 28 MusiCares event, Buckingham said he was suddenly dropped not only from the planned tour, but also from the band he helped create.

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Buckingham said he has repeatedly reached out to members of the band. In an email to Christie McVie, Buckingham wrote:

“After forty-three years and the finish line clear in sight, it’s hard to escape the conclusion that for the five of us to splinter apart now would be the wrong thing. Wrong for the beautiful legacy we’ve built together. Wring for our legions of loyal fans who would hate to see the final act be a breakup. Wrong for ourselves, and all that we’ve accomplished and shared together.”

Buckingham said after he sent the email, he also offered to fly to Maui to meet with Nicks and Fleetwood Opens a New Window. , but his offer was rebuffed by both.

Buckingham said while continued to make efforts to keep the band together, the other members allegedly “secretly, and unceremoniously, moved on without him, including hiring contract players to replace Buckingham’s iconic vocals and guitar parts on the live performances of the recordings” he created.

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“On information and belied the other Partners, by wrongful excluding Buckingham, have sought to enrich themselves at Buckingham’s expense. Buckingham brings this lawsuit in order to assure his rights to the usurped Fleetwood Mac Partnership opportunity.”

In an interview on the CBS show “This Morning” on April 25, 2018, Fleetwood said, “This team wanted to get out on the road and one of the members did not want to get out on the road for a year.”

Buckingham is suing for breach of contract, breach of fiduciary duty and intentional interference with prospective economic advantage.

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In an email to Fleetwood dated February 28, 2018, Buckingham wrote he wondered whether the rift between him and the other band members was possibly caused by attorneys and management.

“In times past, the band has always relied on it’s center, it’s heart and soul to work through difficulties when they arose. But now, those around the edges — attorneys, management — have stepped in and rendered that center silent and impotent. Because of this, the only info and insights I’ve been able to get about things have come from those on the edges. And consequently, I wonder if there hasn’t been an undue amount of intrigue and misinformation thrown into the mix. All of this breaks my heart.”

[gldstwmn]

Well well, well... who's about the money now? :lol: This also explains why no one is responding to his call and emails.

[Feather Blade]

Goodness that article is so melodramatic. Could it be fake?

[diane_k]

Radaronline, US weekly and the Enquirer are the only ones reporting this. Just sayin'

[gldstwmn]

Goodness that article is so melodramatic. Could it be fake?

Hmm... who might be encouraging Lindsey to sue Fleetwood Mac? Now I'm not sayin' she's a gold digger...

[gldstwmn]

Radaronline, US weekly and the Enquirer are the only ones reporting this. Just sayin'

Someone sold the story to them then. It's real. There's a court filing. Irving's going to fight dirty on this one. Get ready for all the dirt to come out.

[Bandon]

Goodness that article is so melodramatic. Could it be fake?

I don't post "fake" news. it's real.;)

[gldstwmn]

I don't post "fake" news. it's real.;)

You can look it up on the court website but it costs $ I almost wonder how much though because boy would that be a fun read. Maybe Radar Online will post the filing?

[Feather Blade]

I don't post "fake" news. it's real.;)

Sorry, I wasn't suggesting you were at fault, I just wondered if someone in the "media" ran with some misinformation.

[jbrownsjr]

Well well, well... who's about the money now? :lol: This also explains why no one is responding to his call and emails.

That's it!! You're banned. As soon as I learn how to do it... you'll be sorry!! :p

[secondhandchain]

Well well, well... who's about the money now? :lol: This also explains why no one is responding to his call and emails.


This lawsuit is MONTHS later. If the band I played with for 40 freaking years didn't have the common courtesy to answer a freaking email I would sue too. Wow you are just unreal. You can tell it hurts your chiffon that the La Mer queen is a total ICE QUEEN.

[gldstwmn]

That's it!! You're banned. As soon as I learn how to do it... you'll be sorry!! :p

I feel safer now. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[FuzzyPlum]

Well, good for him. I hope he takes them to the cleaners.

[gldstwmn]

This lawsuit is MONTHS later. If the band I played with for 40 freaking years didn't have the common courtesy to answer a freaking email I would sue too. Wow you are just unreal. You can tell it hurts your chiffon that the La Mer queen is a total ICE QUEEN.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: :sorry:

[Feather Blade]

Does anyone find it strange that the article claims to quote his actual e-mails to band members? How would they even get their hands on that? (unless someone either in Lindsey's household or some employee associated with however correspondence is handled at the band's end sold the information.

[Feather Blade]

That's it!! You're banned. As soon as I learn how to do it... you'll be sorry!! :p

You and Stevie and your poor computer skills... ;) Actually, I'd be right there with you. I'm a total dinosaur.

[Storms123]

Does anyone find it strange that the article claims to quote his actual e-mails to band members? How would they even get their hands on that? (unless someone either in Lindsey's household or some employee associated with however correspondence is handled at the band's end sold the information.

Assuming the suit is true, He likely had had to turn them over as supportive documentation and to corroborate the timelines

[jbrownsjr]

You and Stevie and your poor computer skills... ;) Actually, I'd be right there with you. I'm a total dinosaur.

Hey now... I was kidding. I know how to lock threads and such. :p

[gldstwmn]

Well, good for him. I hope he takes them to the cleaners.

Irving Azoff will have LB's balls in a jar on his desk by the time this is all over with. Becky has no idea what she's up against. Lindsey will be lucky to play nightclubs when this tour is over. Who do you think planted this story? Frankly I'm surprised he waited this long.

[Keith]

Is Lindsey "without a leg to stand on"?

Has the rest of the band being telling sweet "little lies"?

I guess we will find out when this case goes to court as I assume the band members will be under oath when they share their side.

Did Lindsey just file the lawsuit? If so, why did he wait until the new Mac went out on the road and not when he initially got fired? Or maybe he did.

I'm actually chuckling inside about this although it's really kind of sad. Leave it to me to fall in love with the most drama filled band ever!

Oh well.

[gldstwmn]

Does anyone find it strange that the article claims to quote his actual e-mails to band members? How would they even get their hands on that? (unless someone either in Lindsey's household or some employee associated with however correspondence is handled at the band's end sold the information.

They got the court filing off of LA Superior Court's website.

[Feather Blade]

Assuming the suit is true, He likely had had to turn them over as supportive documentation and to corroborate the timelines

Hmm, maybe so. I guess we will find out soon enough.

[Buster]

At least now we are getting a more complete sense of what went down. If all true, it was probably all underway before MusiCares, meaning this has little to do with smirks and Rhiannon. Also shows the whole band is to blame, including beloved Christine. I’m so glad I’m not spending a penny on this band.

What a crazy ****show.

[jbrownsjr]

At least now we are getting a more complete sense of what went down. If all true, it was probably all underway before MusiCares, meaning this has little to do with smirks and Rhiannon. Also shows the whole band is to blame, including beloved Christine. I’m so glad I’m not spending a penny on this band.

What a crazy ****show.

With a Capital S!

[gldstwmn]

Is Lindsey "without a leg to stand on"?

Has the rest of the band being telling sweet "little lies"?

I guess we will find out when this case goes to court as I assume the band members will be under oath when they share their side.

Did Lindsey just file the lawsuit? If so, why did he wait until the new Mac went out on the road and not when he initially got fired? Or maybe he did.

I'm actually chuckling inside about this although it's really kind of sad. Leave it to me to fall in love with the most drama filled band ever!

Oh well.

If they don't settle then there will probably be depositions. I'm not sure if those can be sealed or not. If not and this thing goes to trial we will get all the gory details of Music Cares including whatever the hell he did to Karen and past history of bad behavior. :shocked: I'm wondering if this comes as a result of him rejecting an offered settlement or no offer of settlement at all. Oh man oh man, oh man I have so many questions right now.

[Buster]

With a Capital S!

A sad, sad, sad end to a legendary band.

[trackaghost]

If they don't settle then there will probably be depositions. I'm not sure if those can be sealed or not. If not and this thing goes to trial we will get all the gory details of Music Cares including whatever the hell he did to Karen and past history of bad behavior. :shocked: I'm wondering if this comes as a result of him rejecting an offered settlement or no offer of settlement at all. Oh man oh man, oh man I have so many questions right now.

I'm curious why you think something happened with Karen? Did something happen between Karen and Lindsey before? It's just I've never heard anything like that.

[gldstwmn]

I'm curious why you think something happened with Karen? Did something happen between Karen and Lindsey before? It's just I've never heard anything like that.

It was something on the grapevine. From what I can gather he flipped out on Karen before the show. Probably over the Rhiannon thing after having read that on RS.

[StevieandChris]

Buckingham claimed everyone in the band wanted to start the tour in August 2018, but he asked to push it to November because he wanted to work on his solo album. Nicks reportedly only wanted to do three shows a week, which meant the band’s North American tour would take even longer.

So does this mean the band was NOT lying about him wanting to delay?

So that it was a reason why he was fired? This must have been on Stevie’s List.

[gldstwmn]

Buckingham claimed everyone in the band wanted to start the tour in August 2018, but he asked to push it to November because he wanted to work on his solo album. Nicks reportedly only wanted to do three shows a week, which meant the band’s North American tour would take even longer.

So does this mean the band was NOT lying about him wanting to delay?

So that it was a reason why he was fired? This must have been on Stevie’s List.

It seems that Mick was telling the truth. :eek:

[Frankenstein]

Probably has something to do with the fact that another FM tour was already “signed on the dotted line” by all 5 of them as early as summer 2017.

[Keith]

Probably has something to do with the fact that another FM tour was already “signed on the dotted line” by all 5 of them as early as summer 2017.

I guess I don't understand how this legal stuff works. If all 5 signed on the dotted line for the tour, how could Stevie threaten to leave the band if Lindsey wasn't fired? Wouldn't she also be under obligation to tour? Crazy penguin sh!t.

[gldstwmn]

Probably has something to do with the fact that another FM tour was already “signed on the dotted line” by all 5 of them as early as summer 2017.

It's still all about the money. Those contracts have loopholes for situations just like this. How do you think he walked away in '87 without getting sued?

[Frankenstein]

I guess I don't understand how this legal stuff works. If all 5 signed on the dotted line for the tour, how could Stevie threaten to leave the band if Lindsey wasn't fired? Wouldn't she also be under obligation to tour? Crazy penguin sh!t.

Bluffing. She probably knew that she wouldn’t need to leave because everyone would choose her ($$$) over him.

[dreamsunwind]

Well speaking for myself, I was not expecting that. It's nice that he's clearly standing up for himself but also sad it's going to end up so messy. I wonder if this was actually filed a while ago and is already being worked on?

[jbrownsjr]

Well speaking for myself, I was not expecting that. It's nice that he's clearly standing up for himself but also sad it's going to end up so messy. I wonder if this was actually filed a while ago and is already being worked on?

I agree. It saddens me that it's such an ugly mess.

[Angel75]

Buckingham claimed everyone in the band wanted to start the tour in August 2018, but he asked to push it to November because he wanted to work on his solo album. Nicks reportedly only wanted to do three shows a week, which meant the band’s North American tour would take even longer.

So does this mean the band was NOT lying about him wanting to delay?

So that it was a reason why he was fired? This must have been on Stevie’s List.

GOOD TRY....Read the RadarOnline article PROPERLY.... even after him asking for a delay and SN wanting only 3 shows a week it says they 'agreed to 60 shows'...so they came to agreement about a delay AND only doing 3 shows a week

"Buckingham claimed everyone in the band wanted to start the tour in August 2018, but he asked to push it to November because he wanted to work on his solo album. Nicks reportedly only wanted to do three shows a week, which meant the band’s North American tour would take even longer.
The star said he and the other members agreed to Nicks’ request, and the band managers negotiated with LiveNation for 60 shows in North America, which included Buckingham."

[Storms123]

Well, this group of geriatrics is clearly not going quietly. This whole situation is beyond sad.

[dreamsunwind]

GOOD TRY....Read the RadarOnline article PROPERLY.... even after him asking for a delay and SN wanting only 3 shows a week it says they 'agreed to 60 shows'...so they came to agreement about a delay AND only doing 3 shows a week

"Buckingham claimed everyone in the band wanted to start the tour in August 2018, but he asked to push it to November because he wanted to work on his solo album. Nicks reportedly only wanted to do three shows a week, which meant the band’s North American tour would take even longer.
The star said he and the other members agreed to Nicks’ request, and the band managers negotiated with LiveNation for 60 shows in North America, which included Buckingham."

And that was also probably where he got the idea for a concurrent solo tour. With only 3 shows a week, that would've given him that little bit of room to do so.

[StevieandChris]

GOOD TRY....Read the RadarOnline article PROPERLY.... even after him asking for a delay and SN wanting only 3 shows a week it says they 'agreed to 60 shows'...so they came to agreement about a delay AND only doing 3 shows a week

"Buckingham claimed everyone in the band wanted to start the tour in August 2018, but he asked to push it to November because he wanted to work on his solo album. Nicks reportedly only wanted to do three shows a week, which meant the band’s North American tour would take even longer.
The star said he and the other members agreed to Nicks’ request, and the band managers negotiated with LiveNation for 60 shows in North America, which included Buckingham."

Nick’s request was the three times a week. It says everyone in the band wanted August over November. So I do not see agreement with both parts.

[Angel75]

Nick’s request was the three times a week. It says everyone in the band wanted August over November. So I do not see agreement with both parts.

They contractually agreed to a tour after initial discussion about delays and how many shows they would have each week.
The clear point is they all agreed to the tour, so this means whether he asked for a delay or not is irrelevant, he had agreed to whatever timeline there was and was happy as were the others with that.

[DeepBlueDee]

A credible source.
Sad,
sad, sad. :(
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/lindsey-buckingham-sues-fleetwood-mac-over-dismissal-from-band-736063/

[StevieandChris]

They contractually agreed to a tour after initial discussion about delays and how many shows they would have each week.
The clear point is they all agreed to the tour, so this means whether he asked for a delay or not is irrelevant, he had agreed to whatever timeline there was and was happy as were the others with that.

I don’t think asking for the delay is irrelevant at all given his past history with tours. So the delay becomes a factor in whatever else Stevie was pissed about. That is my point. They did not completely make it up.

[Storms123]

A credible source.
Sad,
sad, sad. :(
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/lindsey-buckingham-sues-fleetwood-mac-over-dismissal-from-band-736063/

It’s not at all surprising he’s suing. Most people would give the situation. I am surprised it took as long as it did.

[Feather Blade]

Yikes!

"A spokesperson for Fleetwood Mac provided Rolling Stone with a statement on the lawsuit: “It’s impossible for the band to offer comment on a legal complaint they have not seen. It’s fairly standard legal procedure to service the complaint to the parties involved, something that neither Mr. Buckingham nor his legal counsel have done. Which makes one wonder what the true motivations are when servicing press first with a legal complaint before the parties in dispute.”

[Kyle]

According to the Rolling Stone article, FM haven't been served with the lawsuit yet. The press knew about the lawsuit before anyone from FM. Seems odd. Seems to be odd timing.

[Angel75]

I don’t think asking for the delay is irrelevant at all given his past history with tours. So the delay becomes a factor in whatever else Stevie was pissed about. That is my point. They did not completely make it up.

I had not for one said he never brought up the tour delay point, but SN saying that he wanted to delay until Nov 2019 was always far fetched and difficult to believe.

And what you are also saying is that even though he 'asked' for a delay but they all then as a group/band agreed on dates and contractually agreed to tour 60 dates, SN then, because he brought up the possibility of delays during tour planning, has a justified reason to fire him, even though she had also signed this tour contract?

[DeepBlueDee]

TMZ confirming and reporting it now too. :(
http://www.tmz.com/2018/10/11/fleetwood-mac-lindsey-buckingham-lawsuit-against-band-dropped-farewell-tour/

[MaryLiz2]

You can look it up on the court website but it costs $ I almost wonder how much though because boy would that be a fun read. Maybe Radar Online will post the filing?

We'll start a Ledge GoFundMe and raise funds. Inquiring minds...

This band just can't quit the drama. I realize some people are really upset by what went down...but I just find it all hilarious. Fleetwood Mac can't help but keep on Fleetwood Mac-ing. :rolleyes:

[Feather Blade]

TMZ confirming and reporting it now too. :(
http://www.tmz.com/2018/10/11/fleetwood-mac-lindsey-buckingham-lawsuit-against-band-dropped-farewell-tour/

The other articles seemed to be avoiding an ugly dollar figure. This one states one and says as well as suing the band, he is suing each individual member. (not sure how that works legally for this sort of thing)

[SteveMacD]

Does anyone find it strange that the article claims to quote his actual e-mails to band members? How would they even get their hands on that? (unless someone either in Lindsey's household or some employee associated with however correspondence is handled at the band's end sold the information.

Court filings?

[bombaysaffires]

If they don't settle then there will probably be depositions. I'm not sure if those can be sealed or not. If not and this thing goes to trial we will get all the gory details of Music Cares including whatever the hell he did to Karen and past history of bad behavior. :shocked: I'm wondering if this comes as a result of him rejecting an offered settlement or no offer of settlement at all. Oh man oh man, oh man I have so many questions right now.

wow, and you're just salivating imagining the details, which you hope will be bad for Lindsey. But everyone else needs to get a life. :thumbsup:

[sue]

Guess that cuts out 2020 get back together for final, final tour...

I wonder what took him so long, loss of earnings alone would be reason enough to sue.
Bet his wife stops tweeting, instagramming now.

[Bandon]

Sorry, I wasn't suggesting you were at fault, I just wondered if someone in the "media" ran with some misinformation.

No problem. Thank you!

[sodascouts]

Looks like this might interfere with Stevie's plan to have nothing but happy times and apartment dancing in her future.

[bombaysaffires]

the language of the court docs, if real, gives insight into their business dealings.

“On information and belied the other Partners, by wrongful excluding Buckingham, have sought to enrich themselves at Buckingham’s expense. Buckingham brings this lawsuit in order to assure his rights to the usurped Fleetwood Mac Partnership opportunity.”


Capital "P" Partners indicates they have legal agreements wherein certain parties are named as Partners with defined benefits assigned to being a Partner.

Fleetwood Mac Partnership, capitalized, would be the name of the agreement drafted by all the concerned Partners and their legal and management teams in which who gets what is clearly laid out and binding.

As others have noted, this is BIG business, and this is not just a group of friends traveling around having fun together. It's a corporation, and each of them unto themselves is a corporation of whatever size, with employees and benefits and such (for example, you can bet Karen gets a salary and health benefits and probably contributions to a retirement plan as part of her employment package with Welsh Witch Incorporated (or whatever Stevie's biz division is called). And not just Karen, but whoever else works full time for her.).

This could get beyond ugly.

It also raises the question of how the contracts with Neil and Mike are drafted. Are they Partners too? That would dilute income. Dirty, dirty laundry about to get washed.

[FM77]

This has already been settled. That’s why he wasn’t saying anything since Jan.

[bombaysaffires]

Well well, well... who's about the money now? :lol: This also explains why no one is responding to his call and emails.

Really? He should let them violate a contract and screw him over? At this stage, it's as much about principle as it is money. But he's also hitting them where it matters to them all the most-- their wallets. I'm sure he figures, why should Stevie get my money? She of course is not worried about the money one bit. :rolleyes:

[gldstwmn]

This has already been settled. That’s why he wasn’t saying anything since Jan.

So he's talking now because there's no risk legally for him to do so? Are the stories being planted to promote his tour?

[bombaysaffires]

This has already been settled. That’s why he wasn’t saying anything since Jan.

that would make the most sense. :nod:

[Angel75]

This has already been settled. That’s why he wasn’t saying anything since Jan.

Can you confirm, if this is true, then what was the outcome of the lawsuit?

Its interesting that the FM counsel have made a public statement today, saying they have yet to see this legal complaint even though it is in the press?

[gldstwmn]

According to the Rolling Stone article, FM haven't been served with the lawsuit yet. The press knew about the lawsuit before anyone from FM. Seems odd. Seems to be odd timing.

The stories were planted. Cui bono?

[gldstwmn]

Maybe it's time for Fleetwood Mac The Opera. :lol:

[gldstwmn]

the language of the court docs, if real, gives insight into their business dealings.

“On information and belied the other Partners, by wrongful excluding Buckingham, have sought to enrich themselves at Buckingham’s expense. Buckingham brings this lawsuit in order to assure his rights to the usurped Fleetwood Mac Partnership opportunity.”


Capital "P" Partners indicates they have legal agreements wherein certain parties are named as Partners with defined benefits assigned to being a Partner.

Fleetwood Mac Partnership, capitalized, would be the name of the agreement drafted by all the concerned Partners and their legal and management teams in which who gets what is clearly laid out and binding.

As others have noted, this is BIG business, and this is not just a group of friends traveling around having fun together. It's a corporation, and each of them unto themselves is a corporation of whatever size, with employees and benefits and such (for example, you can bet Karen gets a salary and health benefits and probably contributions to a retirement plan as part of her employment package with Welsh Witch Incorporated (or whatever Stevie's biz division is called). And not just Karen, but whoever else works full time for her.).

This could get beyond ugly.

It also raises the question of how the contracts with Neil and Mike are drafted. Are they Partners too? That would dilute income. Dirty, dirty laundry about to get washed.

But Lindsey's not about money! He's got integrity! Otherwise yeah.

[bombaysaffires]

But Lindsey's not about money! He's got integrity! Otherwise yeah.

he wants the band to make new music, big money or not. he surely doesn't make money off his solo tours.

but if they're gonna screw him, he's apparently decided to hit back where he knows it matters most to them.

karma.

[gldstwmn]

Thank you...and what was the outcome of the lawsuit?

Probably confidential...

[jwd]

Probably confidential...


I guess we can assume Lindsey's balls aren't sitting on Irv's desk :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

I guess we can assume Lindsey's balls aren't sitting on Irv's desk :laugh:

I wouldn't assume anything when it comes to that guy. :lol: I do see that FM's tour is Live Nation (which is Irving or at least used to be) and Lindsey is playing AEG venues on his tour. Plus his voice isn't any higher.

[secondhandchain]

But Lindsey's not about money! He's got integrity! Otherwise yeah.

You DO realize that's he hurt right???? The fact that you have NO sympathy for him and all the sympathy in the world for the others (who didn't have the decency to call him back) tells me everything I need to know about you.

[mitzo]

According to the Rolling Stone article, FM haven't been served with the lawsuit yet. The press knew about the lawsuit before anyone from FM. Seems odd. Seems to be odd timing.

Not a surprise. He is talking to RS and leaking news of the lawsuit to undermine the FM tour and Stevie's RRHOF bid.

[Street_Dreamer]

So Lindsey's supposed to let $14 million walk out the door even though he signed a contract and was ready to fulfill it? Come on, get real!

[gldstwmn]

Not a surprise. He is talking to RS and leaking news of the lawsuit to undermine the FM tour and Stevie's RRHOF bid.

I think we have a winner. If FM77 is correct and they usually are the lawsuit is settled then this is a smear campaign and not a counterattack by Azoff at all. Time for the opera!

[StevieandChris]

Not a surprise. He is talking to RS and leaking news of the lawsuit to undermine the FM tour and Stevie's RRHOF bid.

Oh not! Surely not sweet Lindsey! Only mean old Stevie would do something like that! :laugh:::wavey:

[gldstwmn]

So Lindsey's supposed to let $14 million walk out the door even though he signed a contract and was ready to fulfill it? Come on, get real!

But he doesn't care about money! Only greedy Mick and horrible, shallow $tevie! Lindsey is Mother Theresa and sometimes Jesus with a paint brush all rolled into one!

[StevieandChris]

But he doesn't care about money! Only greedy Mick and horrible, shallow $tevie! Lindsey is Mother Theresa and sometimes Jesus with a paint brush all rolled into one!

LOL! Jesus Lindsey.

[gldstwmn]

You DO realize that's he hurt right???? .

Oh he hurt alright. He hurt so good it got his self destructive a$$ fired.

[gldstwmn]

LOL! Jesus Lindsey.

Someone please do the Photoshop.

[jwd]

But he doesn't care about money! Only greedy Mick and horrible, shallow $tevie! Lindsey is Mother Theresa and sometimes Jesus with a paint brush all rolled into one!

He's entitled to it. It's his "business" as much, if not more, than the other four. If I had it coming to me, I'd sue for it too. He's invested 43 yrs of his life to FLEETWOOD MAC INC. GO FOR THE GOLD LINDSEY, then tell those ungrateful sons of bitches to stick it where the sun doesn't shine!

Where's Bob and Wendy Welch when you need them.

But truly, I'm sorry it's all ending like this. We all like a little drama, but really?!

[WatchChain]

But Lindsey's not about money! He's got integrity! Otherwise yeah.

The Buckinghams love to pretend that they’re not about money. I think that this was true when Lindsey was a single guy with minimal overhead—living a carefree life. Now, there are childen, a spouse, and investments in the picture. These kids attend posh private schools, are at the dawn of attending expensive, first rate universities, and the younger wife has expensive taste. Moreover, this man is 69 years old. I’m sure he’s planning to set up his children financially after his death. Yes, yes....I know that Lindsey is already quite rich. But you cannot tell me that The Buckingham Family didn’t already have plans for that $14 million dollars that Lindsey stood to earn from this tour.

[Jondalar]

I think you guys are ridiculous. He made the band famous Sue their snarky assess. I hope he wins 200 million. Screw them!

[Kyle]

The only reason Lindsey was going to make $14 million dollars is because Stevie was doing the tour. Without Stevie, nada. It seems kind of low class to be smirking at someone who is making him that much money.

[Feather Blade]

So I don't get it, is this Lindsey filing a freshly minted lawsuit so new that the band's representation responded that they hadn't been made aware of it yet; or something settled months ago in which case why is it being announced as happening right now? :sorry:

[Kyle]

So I don't get it, is this Lindsey filing a freshly minted lawsuit so new that the band's representation responded that they hadn't been made aware of it yet; or something settled months ago in which case why is it being announced as happening right now? :sorry:

Yea, it seems confusing.

[jwd]

The only reason Lindsey was going to make $14 million dollars is because Stevie was doing the tour. Without Stevie, nada. It seems kind of low class to be smirking at someone who is making him that much money.

At least he didn't do a waltz behind her or blow whistles at her when she made her long and drawn out "Gypsy speech". And guess what, those people are still in the band. That smirk comment is beyond ridiculous. After all they've been through and it comes down to that?!

Who's making who millions? It's FM. All five members contributed to that sound, not just one.

[secondhandchain]

The only reason Lindsey was going to make $14 million dollars is because Stevie was doing the tour. Without Stevie, nada. It seems kind of low class to be smirking at someone who is making him that much money.

When the Rumours five are all together the money goes to another level. The ONLY reason is Stevie? PLEASE When Christine came back their concerts went to another level. We get you worship at the feet of the tambourine witch and she can do no wrong But us? We used to love Stevie and now realize she is a bitter old hag.

[Kyle]

At least he didn't do a waltz behind her or blow whistles at her when she made her long and drawn out "Gypsy speech". And guess what, those people are still in the band. That smirk comment is beyond ridiculous. After all they've been through and it comes down to that?!

Who's making who millions? It's FM. All five members contributed to that sound, not just one.

How many people will buy tickets to a FM concert without Stevie. Not many. It's just a fact.

If someone's presence was necessary for me to make $14 million, I would find a way to be respectful. Most people would do the same.

[Street_Dreamer]

How many people will buy tickets to a FM concert without Stevie. Not many. It's just a fact.

If someone's presence was necessary for me to make $14 million, I would find a way to be respectful. Most people would do the same.

If someone's talent as a guitar player and producer is the reason why I were in a band and could get $14 million, I would find a way to be respectful. Most people would do the same.

[Kyle]

We used to love Stevie and now realize she is a bitter old hag.

That might be true, but Stevie makes millions on solo tours and FM makes peanuts without Stevie. Stevie doesn't need FM. FM and Lindsey need Stevie.

[jwd]

How many people will buy tickets to a FM concert without Stevie. Not many. It's just a fact.

If someone's presence was necessary for me to make $14 million, I would find a way to be respectful. Most people would do the same.


Boy, that's a principled statement if I've read one! Money over integrity!!! **** THAT!

[Kyle]

If someone's talent as a guitar player and producer is the reason why I were in a band and could get $14 million, I would find a way to be respectful. Most people would do the same.

There are lots of producers and guitar players.

[Kyle]

Boy, that's a principled statement if I've read one! Money over integrity!!! **** THAT!

Allowing a 70 year old woman to talk for a few minutes is hardly a matter of integrity. It's called being a gentleman.

[DownOnRodeo]

AWESOME

After that Rolling Stone interview with Lindsey dropped, all I could think was--he needs to sue them.

Lawsuits like this are not necessarily about the money per se--in a large part it's psychological things like getting the public record straight and getting closure, and since suing mostly involves a lot of time and giving half the money to the lawyers, settlement is usually a sufficient substitute for closure.

The petty Lindsey-haters are salivating all over this news because they see it as an opportunity to paint him or his family as going for the money. Very clearly, any cash he may or may not derive from this gambit would be entirely secondary to the primary results of public vindication or closure.

Very clearly, too, he is fighting against the machine aspect of the band here rather than its members per se.

[secondhandchain]

There are lots of producers and guitar players.

You are joking right? Listen to Gypsy, and then the heartbreakers version and then talk to me. LINDSEY MADE their sound. He is HIGHLY respected throughout the industry and only someone who doesn't know what the F they are talking about woudln't give him credit. Thank God for Tusk because believe it or not it's one of the reasons they are still so respected today. If was up to the rest of them they would have went total cheese.

[secondhandchain]

Allowing a 70 year old woman to talk for a few minutes is hardly a matter of integrity. It's called being a gentleman.

Hey Kyle did you watch the video? It's mostly Christine and Mick who are not being respectful. Wow take the chiffon of your eyes.

[Nick]

Ugh. Can he just go away?

[saniette]

Ugh. Can he just go away?

I don't know, can you?

[jwd]

Allowing a 70 year old woman to talk for a few minutes is hardly a matter of integrity. It's called being a gentleman.

WTF are you talking about?! He didn't blow the whistle!!! Christine did!!! :laugh:

[Nick]

I don't know, can you?

Can you? He lost my respect and I'm entitled to my opinion. Girl bye!

[Kyle]

You are joking right? Listen to Gypsy, and then the heartbreakers version and then talk to me. LINDSEY MADE their sound. He is HIGHLY respected throughout the industry and only someone who doesn't know what the F they are talking about woudln't give him credit. Thank God for Tusk because believe it or not it's one of the reasons they are still so respected today. If was up to the rest of them they would have went total cheese.

Only a tiny group of people in the entire world like Lindsey's songs on Tusk or his solo albums.

[jwd]

Ugh. Can he just go away?


We're her to remind you. You 'll never get away from the sound of the man that haunts you...you'll never get away, never get away.....

[jwd]

Only a tiny group of people in the entire whole world like Lindsey's songs on Tusk or his solo albums.

He needed to take more credit on what he did for Christine's and Stevie's songs. I'd like to take a time wharp back in time and add Stevie to FM wo Lindsey and see how many great songs there would have been. I'd bet 14M they wouldn't be raking it in on this current tour, if they'd even be around.

[saniette]

Only a tiny group of people in the entire whole world like Lindsey's songs on Tusk or his solo albums.

So now we know you're just pulling stuff out of your a$$. When did you conduct this survey?

[Nick]

We're her to remind you. You 'll never get away from the sound of the man that haunts you...you'll never get away, never get away.....

OK, that was funny. I laughed. LOL

[DownOnRodeo]

Only a tiny group of people in the entire whole world like Lindsey's songs on Tusk or his solo albums.

Are you eight years old or is that just the way you write?
(Actually I'm probably just falling for a troll trap.)

The level of intelligence emanating from the posts of pro-diva Lindsey haters in this thread is giving a bad name to Stevie, and given the circumstances over the past year, that's saying something.

Keep flailing away with those tambourines--the truth of the matter can still be heard above your noise.

[jwd]

OK, that was funny. I laughed. LOL

Levity is good in situations like this. ****, we're bleeding here. :D

[gldstwmn]

Bet his wife stops tweeting, instagramming now.

Well she already called Mick Fleetwood Mother F&cker and accused Stevie of murdering Lindsey's soul in her basement or some sh!t so really what else is there to say? :lol:

[gldstwmn]

I don't know, can you?

Oh hey thanks for your scintillating input on the topic. :rolleyes:

[Nick]

Levity is good in situations like this. ****, we're bleeding here. :D

I feel you.

[Kyle]

You are joking right? Listen to Gypsy, and then the heartbreakers version and then talk to me. LINDSEY MADE their sound. He is HIGHLY respected throughout the industry and only someone who doesn't know what the F they are talking about woudln't give him credit. Thank God for Tusk because believe it or not it's one of the reasons they are still so respected today. If was up to the rest of them they would have went total cheese.

The earliest FM version of Gypsy already sounds like a hit. I don't hear any Lindsey influence whatsoever. I'm no sure he was even there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMg9KW6dhXc

[HomerMcvie]

Allowing a 70 year old woman to talk for a few minutes is hardly a matter of integrity. It's called being a gentleman.

No. They're ON STAGE. Letting some old goat blather on like the narcissistic egomaniac that she is, is very unprofessional. $tevie, just STFU!

[Murrow]

Oh my sweet Jesus. This is so sad. So terribly sad that it's come to all this at the twilight of their careers.

It hasn't just broken the classic line-up, it's pitting fan against fan. Their tension used to produce music. Now it's just totally destructive :'(

[Kyle]

Are you eight years old or is that just the way you write?
(Actually I'm probably just falling for a troll trap.)

The level of intelligence emanating from the posts of pro-diva Lindsey haters in this thread is giving a bad name to Stevie, and given the circumstances over the past year, that's saying something.

Keep flailing away with those tambourines--the truth of the matter can still be heard above your noise.

I'm sorry. My grammar is not very good.

[Kyle]

He needed to take more credit on what he did for Christine's and Stevie's songs. I'd like to take a time wharp back in time and add Stevie to FM wo Lindsey and see how many great songs there would have been. I'd bet 14M they wouldn't be raking it in on this current tour, if they'd even be around.

Didn't Stevie have some solo hits without Lindsey?

[Jondalar]

Stevie will not be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame over this.

[Angel75]

Stevie will not be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame over this.

I am very afraid she will be

[gldstwmn]

Oh my sweet Jesus. This is so sad. So terribly sad that it's come to all this at the twilight of their careers.

It hasn't just broken the classic line-up, it's pitting fan against fan. Their tension used to produce music. Now it's just totally destructive :'(
Exactly. :nod: It could be worse though. We could be Kanye West fans. :laugh: :wavey:

[jwd]

Didn't Stevie have some solo hits without Lindsey?

She had a solo career because she had a successful career in FM. It came from that. Stevie is a very talented person. But she NEVER would have made it on her own. EVER!

[Kyle]

So now we know you're just pulling stuff out of your a$$. When did you conduct this survey?

I don't think even Lindsey would dispute this. His records don't sell. I've never met one person in my entire life who claimed to be a Lindsey Buckingham fan or claimed to like Lindsey's songs on Tusk.

[secondhandchain]

The earliest FM version of Gypsy already sounds like a hit. I don't hear any Lindsey influence whatsoever. I'm no sure he was even there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMg9KW6dhXc

Now you're saying Lindsey didn't influence Gypsy???????? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: He was there TRUST me. This was done in France.

[Kyle]

She had a solo career because she had a successful career in FM. It came from that. Stevie is a very talented person. But she NEVER would have made it on her own. EVER!

Would Lindsey have made it on his own?

[Kyle]

Now you're saying Lindsey didn't influence Gypsy???????? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: He was there TRUST me. This was done in France.

Gypsy would have been a hit without Lindsey. Listen to the recording.

[secondhandchain]

I don't think even Lindsey would dispute this. His records don't sell. I've never met one person in my entire life who claimed to be a Lindsey Buckingham fan or claimed to like Lindsey's songs on Tusk.

Kyle maybe if you took the chiffon out of your ears and eyes. I certainly have heard LOTS of people say how great Lindsey is. Stevie had a lot to do with their success as did Chris and Lindsey. ON what freaking planet do you not think that Lindsey was a MAJOR factor in their sound and success. I'm not even discussing with you anymore because you clearly have chiffon running through your brains.

[Feather Blade]

Would Lindsey have made it on his own?

Well Lindsy himself has said: "My fans...all 12 of them..."

[secondhandchain]

Would Lindsey have made it on his own?

Neither of them might not. They were always better together.

[secondhandchain]

Gypsy would have been a hit without Lindsey. Listen to the recording.

He's there producing it!! That was recorded in france. UGH nevermind

[jwd]

Would Lindsey have made it on his own?

Here we go round in circles. Who knows? Point is, is that it was always about the FIVE of them. Not one over the other. They all added to what so many of us came to love as The Rumours Five! That's what this is all about here. Why there is so much passion here. Why so many of us are PISSED that it is going down this way!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jondalar]

Gypsy would have been a hit without Lindsey. Listen to the recording.

Are you smoking crack? Lindsey made that song a hit.

[reebokandlace]

So now we know you're just pulling stuff out of your a$$. When did you conduct this survey?

His ticket sales for his solo tours (tiny venues) speak volumes for the number of LB fans

vs

SN ticket sales for her solo tours (amphitheaters)

The survey says....Nicks Rocks.

[saniette]

I don't think even Lindsey would dispute this. His records don't sell. I've never met one person in my entire life who claimed to be a Lindsey Buckingham fan or claimed to like Lindsey's songs on Tusk.

Well, that's a scientific poll. I know plenty of people who think Stevie Nicks sucks, so what is that supposed to prove?

Just as many people have covered Lindsey's songs on Tusk as Stevie's. Look it up.

[Storms123]

Are you smoking crack? Lindsey made that song a hit.

I actually think Stevie acknowledged as much too in one of her intros

[saniette]

His ticket sales for his solo tours (tiny venues) speak volumes for the number of LB fans

vs

SN ticket sales for her solo tours (amphitheaters)

The survey says....Nicks Rocks.

I've noticed this with Stevie fans - commercial success seems to be the determining factor of how good something is. I'm not sure that perspective holds up over time. A lot of great musicians never achieved the commercial success they deserved, and a lot of bad music has achieved chart success.

Stevie bowed to the commercial whims of the 80s, made some terrible albums, and has been coasting by on her image/icon status for some time now.

[Kyle]

Are you smoking crack? Lindsey made that song a hit.

Why couldn't Lindsey make more of his own 'great' songs hits?

[saniette]

Why couldn't Lindsey make more of his own 'great' songs hits?

I don't know, why can't Stevie make an album without a producer helping her, or write more songs on her own?

When was Stevie's last hit again? about 30 years ago?

[Angel75]

I've never met one person in my entire life who claimed to be a Lindsey Buckingham fan or claimed to like Lindsey's songs on Tusk.

Do you live in Antarctica?

[Kyle]

I don't know, why can't Stevie make an album without a producer helping her, or write more songs on her own?


Everyone has producers. Most hits have co-writers.

[ali101]

https://www.scribd.com/document/390686837/Lindsey-Buckingham-Fleetwood-Mac-Complaint

The whole document is there including the email from Lindsey to mick, which is ended with “I love you all no matter what. Lindsey”

[jwd]

I don't think even Lindsey would dispute this. His records don't sell. I've never met one person in my entire life who claimed to be a Lindsey Buckingham fan or claimed to like Lindsey's songs on Tusk.

HUH?!

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[Angel75]

https://www.scribd.com/document/390686837/Lindsey-Buckingham-Fleetwood-Mac-Complaint

The whole document is there including the email from Lindsey to mick, which is ended with “I love you all no matter what. Lindsey”

Thats the bit that killed me the most....

[secondhandchain]

Everyone has producers. Most hits have co-writers.

Kyle your complete ignorance is showing. I would stop if I were you.

[KenshiMaster16]

How they are treating him is absolutely horrible. Especially that last line from the email. What a heartbreaking read. And who the f wanted to ditch John on the tour because of the cancer scare?!

[Kyle]

HUH?!

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Name 10 people who like "Not that funny" or "The Ledge".

[KenshiMaster16]

Name 10 people who like "Not that funny" or "The Ledge".

Here is your first.

[jmn3]

Name 10 people who like "Not that funny" or "The Ledge".

Someone liked The Ledge enough to name the site you're posting on after it. :shrug:

[jwd]

Name 10 people who like "Not that funny" or "The Ledge".

Okay time for a poll!

Who likes these songs?

I'm in for both. That's 1

2

[jmn3]

How they are treating him is absolutely horrible. Especially that last line from the email. What a heartbreaking read. And who the f wanted to ditch John on the tour because of the cancer scare?!

Christ these people are vicious. Obviously it was Stevie or Mick...either way, the idea that someone even contemplated for a moment continuing a FM tour without the Mac due to cancer....wow.

Edit: I just re-read and it appears this particular instance was during OWTS in 2014-15. John's cancer scare was during the 2013 tour if I'm not mistaken? So maybe this is something else altogether (perhaps Mick being sick in Lincoln)?

[AncientQueen]

Gypsy would have been a hit without Lindsey. Listen to the recording.
I don't even like Lindsey, but this is just ridiculous. Try to listen to the infamous Gypsy-Demo that Stevie brought into the studio. This one here is the mercifully short version, I've heard a 20 minutes long version once, but only because I couldn't flee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKIC_Kza4Ek

The earliest FM version of Gypsy already sounds like a hit. I don't hear any Lindsey influence whatsoever. I'm no sure he was even there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMg9KW6dhXc
Nice try, but that is not the demo, that's an early FM take, as it is clearly stated on the Youtube site. As it is, it's proof to the point how much the band contributed to the success of that song, how much production was needed to make this little bit into a song in he first place.

[AncientQueen]

Okay time for a poll!

Who likes these songs?

I'm in for both. That's 1

2
Ehhh, I like both songs. I generally like Lindseys Tusk songs, they are all good, especially in context with the material from Chris and Stevie, but also on their own.

[jwd]

Ehhh, I like both songs. I generally like Lindseys Tusk songs, they are all good, especially in context with the material from Chris and Stevie, but also on their own.

Well, that's three. We need 7 more!!!!

[secondhandchain]

Here is your first.

count me in

[jwd]

=secondhandchain;1240112]count me in
]
That's FOUR, we need 6 more!!!

[secondhandchain]

Name 10 people who like "Not that funny" or "The Ledge".

Hey Kyle did you know that my 17 year old nephew said this the other day: "i'm getting into recording because of Lindsey Buckingham and his production" The kid is 17 and LOVES Lindsey's songs. He listens to Tusk while he's delivering chicken wings.

[jmn3]

I don't even like Lindsey, but this is just ridiculous. Try to listen to the infamous Gypsy-Demo that Stevie brought into the studio. This one here is the mercifully short version, I've heard a 20 minutes long version once, but only because I couldn't flee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKIC_Kza4Ek

That is really painful and while the very basic bones of the song are there, there is literally zero chance that song would've been the hit it was without Lindsey (and for that matter, Chris, Mick, and John too). Stevie has had some absolute gems through her career but like anyone else, she needed help to make things happen the way they did. This is what I F'N HATE about this situation - this band and the particular five Rumours era members, all need each other. They're talented on their own, they are superstars together.

[lovethemac1]

Kyle your complete ignorance is showing. I would stop if I were you.

Thank you, the level of ignorance with this group is incredible.

PS. I LOVE your location, secondhandchain!!! Just noticed it and it made me laugh. :laugh:

[jmn3]

]
That's FOUR, we need 6 more!!!

I'm in on both songs

[Iamwilliame]

Oh my. Things will get so ugly going forward. This is absolutely heartbreaking. It's forever altered how I will hear FM music.

[jwd]

That is really painful and while the very basic bones of the song are there, there is literally zero chance that song would've been the hit it was without Lindsey (and for that matter, Chris, Mick, and John too). Stevie has had some absolute gems through her career but like anyone else, she needed help to make things happen the way they did. This is what I F'N HATE about this situation - this band and the particular five Rumours era members, all need each other. They're talented on their own, they are superstars together.

BRAVO! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[jwd]

I'm in on both songs

FIVE!! Can I get 5 more?

[jmn3]

And of course, in case anybody believed the crap that Lindsey, Christine, or Mick talked about last year with the Buckingham/McVie album not ever intending to be a Fleetwood Mac album, seems like as 99.99% of us knew, it sure as hell was planned that way. Stevie Nicks destroyed the last chance to get a proper album from the Rumours five and now she's destroyed the potential to even hear them live again.

[KenshiMaster16]

And of course, in case anybody believed the crap that Lindsey, Christine, or Mick talked about last year with the Buckingham/McVie album not ever intending to be a Fleetwood Mac album, seems like as 99.99% of us knew, it sure as hell was planned that way. Stevie Nicks destroyed the last chance to get a proper album from the Rumours five and now she's destroyed the potential to even hear them live again.

As much as I used to love Stevie, bingo. Hit the nail on the head there.

[lovethemac1]

FIVE!! Can I get 5 more?

Count me in.
Count my husband in.
Count my 4 adult kids in.
Count my boss in.

[jwd]

Count me in.
Count my husband in.
Count my 4 adult kids in.
Count my boss in.


:laugh: I LOVE YOU!! We have a winner! We love Lindsey's Tusk songs!!! :woohoo:

[Storms123]

FIVE!! Can I get 5 more?

Make is 6-count me in

[jwd]

Make is 6-count me in

Haha, I think that make about 11 or so. But thanks for your vote, Keep 'em coming. We all know that Lindsey's Tusk songs are loved. C'mon Kyle, get with the program dude!!!

[AncientQueen]

This is what I F'N HATE about this situation - this band and the particular five Rumours era members, all need each other. They're talented on their own, they are superstars together.Together, the 5 fireflies have always been far more than the sum of their parts. Sadly enough, they all tend to forget that.

[justcrazylove]

I'm in and so is my dog! I Know I'm Not Wrong is my favourite FM song. Lindseys Tusk songs made sure this band wasn't generic lowest common denominator crap. And this Kyle guy GTFO

[Kyle]

Haha, I think that make about 11 or so. But thanks for your vote, Keep 'em coming. We all know that Lindsey's Tusk songs are loved. C'mon Kyle, get with the program dude!!!

Exactly what I said. A tiny group of people in the entire world clustered together on one website. How many people, in real life like those songs? Almost none.

[jwd]

I'm in and so is my dog! I Know I'm Not Wrong is my favourite FM song. Lindseys Tusk songs made sure this band wasn't generic lowest common denominator crap. And this Kyle guy GTFO

I LOVE YOU!! :thumbsup::laugh:


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[HejiraNYC]

Well, it has been a while since I’ve posted here and honestly I really haven’t had anything to say that hasn’t already been said to the nth power. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and expressing them is great. But what is maddening to me is when people draw hasty conclusions from barely a data point or two from which to draw such a conclusion. And it seems that this latest saga with our band really just brought out the absolute worst in people; I see you, and we all see you for what you are, and it ain’t pretty. It’s one thing to have a lapse or two in critical thinking skills, but you can see the darkness of the darkest of hearts through the quick rise to hostility expressed around here. If there is one thing that getting old has taught me, it is that most people don’t know s*** and you shouldn’t pass judgement on people or situations that you know nothing about. The bottom line is y’all don’t know these people, you weren’t involved in any discussions regarding Lindsey’s ouster and you just don’t know the motivations of these people even though some of you pretend like you were a fly on the wall when these decisions were made.

I read the long, redundant complaint and what struck me was that although it seemed truthful (based on the dates, events and situations that I have observed myself as a fan), there seemed to be much exaggeration, i.e., overstating his commercial appeal as a member of Fleetwood Mac while neglecting to mention that his commercial appeal as a solo artist is virtually nil. The other thing I noticed is that NOTHING seems to be formalized in writing. It is surprising that this phenomenally successful musical partnership is held together via an “oral” agreement, which in the state of California has some degree of legal enforceability (I learn something new every day!). In a nutshell, one cannot be fired from such a partnership unless there is unanimous agreement OR there is just cause. And LB’s assertion of wrongful termination is based on just cause; however, there was nothing mentioned in the complaint about a potential just cause beyond the solo tour issue. The only formal arrangement the band ever created in the past is when FM formed LLCs to manage tour and merch revenue; it appears that they dissolve the old LLC and form a new LLC for almost every new tour. So apparently LB was excluded from the LLC formed for the 2018-19 tour. Finally, Lindsey NEVER SIGNED A CONTRACT for the 2018-2019 tour. The complaint only mentions that he attended several high-level meetings where the expected compensation amounts were discussed.

Oh, and the complaint states in no uncertain terms that the LB/CM album was supposed to be a Fleetwood Mac album, despite Lindsey’s assertions to the contrary during last year’s press tour. See? St. Lindsey told a bold faced lie. Shocking, amiright?

Anyway my take on it is that LB’s case is on shaky ground. There is no formal Fleetwood Mac, Inc. corporation – just a handshake arrangement between the five band members. He claims that there is no just cause for termination because he caved to the band’s demands about the tour, but that assumes that is indeed the only reason for his termination. He owns no financial interest in the Fleetwood Mac 2018-2019 Tour LLC. Finally, he didn’t officially sign up for the tour. He says he was ready, willing and able and attended many meetings… but ultimately he didn’t put a ring on it for some reason.

The fact that band members have been explicitly instructed not to communicate with Lindsey is telling. I suspect this situation is way, way, way more complicated than Stevie merely feeling disrespected at Radio City. The band fell into formation and moved on very, very quickly, which means that the wheels for Option B must have been in the works for a long, long time. Lindsey provided a very heartfelt, mournful email as Appendix A of his complaint. But where are all the other emails that he purportedly wrote when trying to reach members of the band? Perhaps there are statements in those emails that undermine his case? I suspect that things were already not going well back during the LB/CM promotional tour and the Classic East/West shows. From the July 17, 2017 LA Times:

In a recent interview with Lindsey Buckingham, I asked the Fleetwood Mac frontman about turning his attention from his and Christine McVie's new duets album to Fleetwood Mac's participation in Classic West. First he cringed, as though the mere mention of the two-day festival — which brought Fleetwood Mac and the Eagles, among other veteran rock acts, to Dodger Stadium over the weekend — had embarrassed him. Then he explained that the explicitly nostalgic event wasn't exactly his dream gig, but that he'd agreed to do it in deference to his manager, Irving Azoff, who put the Classic West together.

Buckingham's mantra for the show? "Just close your eyes and take the money."

It is not inconceivable that he probably carried this cavalier, dismissive demeanor off-stage as well and, with good reason, this quote probably ticked off members of the band – especially Stevie and Mick, who have been arguably Fleetwood Mac’s biggest cheerleaders. Who knows what other passive or overt gestures of aggression Lindsey exhibited around those shows? So when discussions around the new tour became tense over the solo tour dates in December 2017, I wouldn’t have been surprised if he burned some bridges or said some very insulting things (like in the LA Times interview), which could have led them to conclude that enough was enough. There is a pattern of passive aggressive behavior from Lindsey, which may have escalated to a rolling boil during those meetings and then finally the lid blew off the pot at Radio City with those digs at Stevie.

I can see why people attribute this turn of events solely to Stevie. But I also know what it’s like to have to work alongside someone who does not respect you or your work (as evidenced by Lindsey’s supposed casual dismissal of Stevie’s Bella Donna success). And to make matters extremely messy, they are exes who spent the last 40 years keeping score on each other, which has to lead to resentment – his resentment over Stevie’s success (as evidenced by his complaint that “Rhiannon” was the introduction song) which he never enjoyed himself and her resentment over his life of domestic bliss which she never enjoyed herself. I believe Lindsey when he says he doesn’t know why he was fired; some people are just not that self-aware. But I also believe Stevie when she says that she wants the remaining years of her career to be joyful. And I suspect Lindsey also cast an increasing shadow on the rest of the band as he badmouthed the FM brand as a politically charged nostalgia act run by managers and agents. Anyway, I don’t know, and nobody outside of Fleetwood Mac, Inc. really knows what actually went down. But based on the pattern of his behavior, especially all this “big machine, little machine crap he’s been saying for years and his apparent ingratefulness (again, read quote above), I wasn’t terribly shocked by the news that he was finally terminated after Radio City. It takes a single match to burn a house down.

Ultimately, these are people who have stuck together through the years and they have created an amazing body of work throughout the various incarnations and solo endeavors. As far as I am concerned, everything else is just icing on the cake at this point and they've earned the right to do whatever they have to do to find their happiness in the winter of their lives. Heartbreak of the moment is not endless. While I wish the Rumours 5 would have stayed together, my desire does not trump their happiness as people. I am grateful to Stevie, Christine, Lindsey, Mick and John and the other members (except Bekka and Dave Mason - y'all kinda ruined it for me) for their artistry and the joy they've given me and I am totally on board for where the saga heads next.

[jmn3]

Exactly what I said. A tiny group of people in the entire world clustered together on one website. How many people, in real life like those songs? Almost none.

I mean, you're right, the song Tusk has nothing on Welcome to the Room, Sara, or Silver Girl.

Besides, haven't Stevie and Chris both been on record as praising the Tusk album? Are they simply excluding Lindsey's songs or are they too part of a small cluster of people?

This argument is dumb.

[HomerMcvie]

Exactly what I said. A tiny group of people in the entire world clustered together on one website. How many people, in real life like those songs? Almost none.

Good god, you're the most near sighted person I've ever witnessed.

Go sniff some $tevie farts.

[jwd]

Exactly what I said. A tiny group of people in the entire world clustered together on one website. How many people, in real life like those songs? Almost none.

You said ten people. I easily beat that with a quick poll. You lose.

[Dreamz19]

You can add me to the list as well. When I first heard Tusk in 2004, I was primarily a Stevie fan. However, it was Lindsey and Christine's songs that made the biggest impression on me.

[jwd]

You can add me to the list as well. When I first heard Tusk in 2004, I was primarily a Stevie fan. However, it was Lindsey and Christine's songs that made the biggest impression on me.

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[Dreamz19]

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:laugh: There goes another Lindsey Tusk song I just happen to love.

[jwd]

:laugh: There goes another Lindsey Tusk song I just happen to love.


Me too! I want to hear that one LIVE!

[Kyle]

You said ten people. I easily beat that with a quick poll. You lose.

You're right. I guess Lindsey will now be nominated for the RRHOF.

[secondhandchain]

Exactly what I said. A tiny group of people in the entire world clustered together on one website. How many people, in real life like those songs? Almost none.

Kyle you do know that Tusk is considered a masterpiece by many in the music industry. Twirl on over to the Stevie board now, don't you have "a night of a thousand Stevies" you have to pick out a dress for?

[HomerMcvie]

Kyle you do know that Tusk is considered a masterpiece by many in the music industry. Now twirl on over to the Stevie board now. Don't you have a thousand night of Stevies you have to pick out your dress for?

My god I love you! :xoxo:

[secondhandchain]

:laugh: There goes another Lindsey Tusk song I just happen to love.

Absolute genius.

[Kubrick2788]

Just read the court document...did anyone notice that they attribute "Don't Stop" to 1975's Fleetwood Mac album? I mean, could you get it right for this legal document? Yeesh.

This should all be an interesting side show to the tours. I have to wonder if, even if Lindsey wanted to in the future, that these five people will ever perform together again?

[secondhandchain]

My god I love you! :xoxo:

right back at ya!

[Frankenstein]

Just read the court document...did anyone notice that they attribute "Don't Stop" to 1975's Fleetwood Mac album? I mean, could you get it right for this legal document? Yeesh.

This should all be an interesting side show to the tours. I have to wonder if, even if Lindsey wanted to in the future, that these five people will ever perform together again?

If this were 1987, maybe. But it isn’t. I fear that there’s not enough time left to mend fences even if they wanted to. That is what makes it all the more sad.

[jmn3]

This should all be an interesting side show to the tours. I have to wonder if, even if Lindsey wanted to in the future, that these five people will ever perform together again?

I doubt it. Someone will die before enough time will pass for them to agree to reunite, figure out what to perform, rehearse, and do an actual performance. I think the bloom is off the rose.

[Nicks Fan]

Well, it has been a while since I’ve posted here and honestly I really haven’t had anything to say that hasn’t already been said to the nth power. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and expressing them is great. But what is maddening to me is when people draw hasty conclusions from barely a data point or two from which to draw such a conclusion. And it seems that this latest saga with our band really just brought out the absolute worst in people; I see you, and we all see you for what you are, and it ain’t pretty. It’s one thing to have a lapse or two in critical thinking skills, but you can see the darkness of the darkest of hearts through the quick rise to hostility expressed around here. If there is one thing that getting old has taught me, it is that most people don’t know s*** and you shouldn’t pass judgement on people or situations that you know nothing about. The bottom line is y’all don’t know these people, you weren’t involved in any discussions regarding Lindsey’s ouster and you just don’t know the motivations of these people even though some of you pretend like you were a fly on the wall when these decisions were made.

I read the long, redundant complaint and what struck me was that although it seemed truthful (based on the dates, events and situations that I have observed myself as a fan), there seemed to be much exaggeration, i.e., overstating his commercial appeal as a member of Fleetwood Mac while neglecting to mention that his commercial appeal as a solo artist is virtually nil. The other thing I noticed is that NOTHING seems to be formalized in writing. It is surprising that this phenomenally successful musical partnership is held together via an “oral” agreement, which in the state of California has some degree of legal enforceability (I learn something new every day!). In a nutshell, one cannot be fired from such a partnership unless there is unanimous agreement OR there is just cause. And LB’s assertion of wrongful termination is based on just cause; however, there was nothing mentioned in the complaint about a potential just cause beyond the solo tour issue. The only formal arrangement the band ever created in the past is when FM formed LLCs to manage tour and merch revenue; it appears that they dissolve the old LLC and form a new LLC for almost every new tour. So apparently LB was excluded from the LLC formed for the 2018-19 tour. Finally, Lindsey NEVER SIGNED A CONTRACT for the 2018-2019 tour. The complaint only mentions that he attended several high-level meetings where the expected compensation amounts were discussed.

Oh, and the complaint states in no uncertain terms that the LB/CM album was supposed to be a Fleetwood Mac album, despite Lindsey’s assertions to the contrary during last year’s press tour. See? St. Lindsey told a bold faced lie. Shocking, amiright?

Anyway my take on it is that LB’s case is on shaky ground. There is no formal Fleetwood Mac, Inc. corporation – just a handshake arrangement between the five band members. He claims that there is no just cause for termination because he caved to the band’s demands about the tour, but that assumes that is indeed the only reason for his termination. He owns no financial interest in the Fleetwood Mac 2018-2019 Tour LLC. Finally, he didn’t officially sign up for the tour. He says he was ready, willing and able and attended many meetings… but ultimately he didn’t put a ring on it for some reason.

The fact that band members have been explicitly instructed not to communicate with Lindsey is telling. I suspect this situation is way, way, way more complicated than Stevie merely feeling disrespected at Radio City. The band fell into formation and moved on very, very quickly, which means that the wheels for Option B must have been in the works for a long, long time. Lindsey provided a very heartfelt, mournful email as Appendix A of his complaint. But where are all the other emails that he purportedly wrote when trying to reach members of the band? Perhaps there are statements in those emails that undermine his case? I suspect that things were already not going well back during the LB/CM promotional tour and the Classic East/West shows. From the July 17, 2017 LA Times:



It is not inconceivable that he probably carried this cavalier, dismissive demeanor off-stage as well and, with good reason, this quote probably ticked off members of the band – especially Stevie and Mick, who have been arguably Fleetwood Mac’s biggest cheerleaders. Who knows what other passive or overt gestures of aggression Lindsey exhibited around those shows? So when discussions around the new tour became tense over the solo tour dates in December 2017, I wouldn’t have been surprised if he burned some bridges or said some very insulting things (like in the LA Times interview), which could have led them to conclude that enough was enough. There is a pattern of passive aggressive behavior from Lindsey, which may have escalated to a rolling boil during those meetings and then finally the lid blew off the pot at Radio City with those digs at Stevie.

I can see why people attribute this turn of events solely to Stevie. But I also know what it’s like to have to work alongside someone who does not respect you or your work (as evidenced by Lindsey’s supposed casual dismissal of Stevie’s Bella Donna success). And to make matters extremely messy, they are exes who spent the last 40 years keeping score on each other, which has to lead to resentment – his resentment over Stevie’s success (as evidenced by his complaint that “Rhiannon” was the introduction song) which he never enjoyed himself and her resentment over his life of domestic bliss which she never enjoyed herself. I believe Lindsey when he says he doesn’t know why he was fired; some people are just not that self-aware. But I also believe Stevie when she says that she wants the remaining years of her career to be joyful. And I suspect Lindsey also cast an increasing shadow on the rest of the band as he badmouthed the FM brand as a politically charged nostalgia act run by managers and agents. Anyway, I don’t know, and nobody outside of Fleetwood Mac, Inc. really knows what actually went down. But based on the pattern of his behavior, especially all this “big machine, little machine crap he’s been saying for years and his apparent ingratefulness (again, read quote above), I wasn’t terribly shocked by the news that he was finally terminated after Radio City. It takes a single match to burn a house down.

Ultimately, these are people who have stuck together through the years and they have created an amazing body of work throughout the various incarnations and solo endeavors. As far as I am concerned, everything else is just icing on the cake at this point and they've earned the right to do whatever they have to do to find their happiness in the winter of their lives. Heartbreak of the moment is not endless. While I wish the Rumours 5 would have stayed together, my desire does not trump their happiness as people. I am grateful to Stevie, Christine, Lindsey, Mick and John and the other members (except Bekka and Dave Mason - y'all kinda ruined it for me) for their artistry and the joy they've given me and I am totally on board for where the saga heads next.

Your comment about him lying about Buckingham McVie is bit much. When they were making the album everyone from FM said it was a FM and made comments about SN and waiting for her to contribute. Then when it came out they lied (Meaning both LB and CM) because IMO they didn't wan't to piss off SN.

As for the comments about the Classic Shows maybe he shouldn't have said those things but I lost some respect for both them and The Eagles for performing alongside acts like Earth Wind and Fire, Steely Dan, and Journey. None of those acts are IMO on the same level as FM or the Eagles in terms of popularity today. When those acts tour they can't play arenas on their own. They play theaters, Casinos etc. Only if they tour with other nostalgia acts do they get to play arenas or stadiums or amphitheaters etc. FM kind of sold out
doing a show like that just to get a quick fat paycheck and he saw it for what it was.

Lindsey is certainly not a major draw for his solo shows but so what? He has respect in the industry for his talents. SN chased the 80's sound and got hits he chose to not chase top 40 radio and paid the price for it.

At the end of the day they should have worked things out instead of acting like spoiled brats and that goes for all of them.

[HomerMcvie]

I doubt it. Someone will die before enough time will pass for them to agree to reunite, figure out what to perform, rehearse, and do an actual performance. I think the bloom is off the rose.

I agree. I HOPE it's too late. Because this is f*cked up beyond repair. I don't want them to fix something this bad. Old Goat Ass is gonna flirt with Lindsey on stage again? What a f*cking FARCE that would be.

[secondhandchain]

I agree. I HOPE it's too late. Because this is f*cked up beyond repair. I don't want them to fix something this bad. Old Goat Ass is gonna flirt with Lindsey on stage again? What a f*cking FARCE that would be.

You are so right! I don't want it to be fixed. As a lifelong fan of FM that is SO sad for me to say, but it's true. I won't even listen to their music anymore. Thanks to Tambourine witch it all has a bad taste in my mouth.

[jmn3]

I agree. I HOPE it's too late. Because this is f*cked up beyond repair. I don't want them to fix something this bad. Old Goat Ass is gonna flirt with Lindsey on stage again? What a f*cking FARCE that would be.

Yeah, after all of this, they simply couldn't just go back to their shtick. And at 70+ years old, why would they want to? This is likely the end. That MusicCares performance was the last one. Maybe she will sleep with Neil and then split up so they can have some on-stage chemistry. Teasing stares. Prolonged hugs. The whole thing.

[HomerMcvie]

Yeah, after all of this, they simply couldn't just go back to their shtick. And at 70+ years old, why would they want to? This is likely the end. That MusicCares performance was the last one. Maybe she will sleep with Neil and then split up so they can have some on-stage chemistry. Teasing stares. Prolonged hugs. The whole thing.

$he literally makes me sick. Phony old hag.

[jwd]

You're right. I guess Lindsey will now be nominated for the RRHOF.

Good God, I give up. Talk about moving goal posts. :laugh:

[jmn3]

$he literally makes me sick. Phony old hag.

Absolutely. But I always hated them both for that crap. The last 20 years of their phony BS was garbage and was done to placate what can best be described as losers in the audience who acted all ga-ga about two 50-70 year olds and their stupid Moonlighting-esque "will they or won't they" nonsense. You broke up over 40 years ago, play your damn songs and move on with it.

[tsitopen]

I like this Kyle guy. A real rabble rouser. Old school like. You weasels don’t know what it used to be like IN THE OLDEN DAYS

[jwd]

I like this Kyle guy. A real rabble rouser. Old school like. You weasels don’t know what it used to be like IN THE OLDEN DAYS

Really, WTF are you talking about?! :laugh: Thanks for coming out of the woodwork!

[HomerMcvie]

Absolutely. But I always hated them both for that crap. The last 20 years of their phony BS was garbage and was done to placate what can best be described as losers in the audience who acted all ga-ga about two 50-70 year olds and their stupid Moonlighting-esque "will they or won't they" nonsense. You broke up over 40 years ago, play your damn songs and move on with it.

Agreed. I've hated that SH*T since Mirage! What kind of idiots lap up that inane crap?

[secondhandchain]

Read on youtube comments ALL the people who bought tickets NOT knowing that Lindsey was fired. Yeah Mick just show a pic of penguin you dirtbag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CutgE4jjf5s

[tsitopen]

Really, WTF are you talking about?! :laugh: Thanks for coming out of the woodwork!

I am the woodwork

[jwd]

I am the woodwork

As long as you're not calling me a weasel, I really don't care. :laugh:

[secondhandchain]

Lots of seats available tomorrow night...lots

https://www1.ticketmaster.com/an-evening-with-fleetwood-mac-lincoln-nebraska-10-12-2018/event/060054980303FA09?artistid=735087&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1

[StreetAngel86]

Not a surprise. He is talking to RS and leaking news of the lawsuit to undermine the FM tour and Stevie's RRHOF bid.

hehehehe
years of working with Mick and $tevie
taught Lindsey how to be an equal a$$Hole :laugh:

and good for him!

[StevieandChris]

hehehehe
years of working with Mick and $tevie
taught Lindsey how to be an equal a$$Hole :laugh:

and good for him!

I don’t think he needed any help in that department...hence this situation.

[button-lip]

hehehehe
years of working with Mick and $tevie
taught Lindsey how to be an equal a$$Hole :laugh:

and good for him!

But he still loves them all. That's what his e-mail to Mick says. So, no matter how much he tries, he will never reach the degree of those two ungrateful a$$holes.

[StreetAngel86]

How many people will buy tickets to a FM concert without Stevie. Not many. It's just a fact.



the CASUAL fan doesn't even know who Stevie Nicks is
they don't even know the diff between Stevie and Lindsey
who's the guy?

you're talking nonsense

[StreetAngel86]

I am very afraid she will be

then we can all start a petition to get Nick$ kicked OUT of the HOF :lol::lol::lol:
like having your WOF star taken away.

[MoonSister75]

Well, it has been a while since I’ve posted here and honestly I really haven’t had anything to say that hasn’t already been said to the nth power. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and expressing them is great. But what is maddening to me is when people draw hasty conclusions from barely a data point or two from which to draw such a conclusion. And it seems that this latest saga with our band really just brought out the absolute worst in people; I see you, and we all see you for what you are, and it ain’t pretty. It’s one thing to have a lapse or two in critical thinking skills, but you can see the darkness of the darkest of hearts through the quick rise to hostility expressed around here. If there is one thing that getting old has taught me, it is that most people don’t know s*** and you shouldn’t pass judgement on people or situations that you know nothing about. The bottom line is y’all don’t know these people, you weren’t involved in any discussions regarding Lindsey’s ouster and you just don’t know the motivations of these people even though some of you pretend like you were a fly on the wall when these decisions were made.

I read the long, redundant complaint and what struck me was that although it seemed truthful (based on the dates, events and situations that I have observed myself as a fan), there seemed to be much exaggeration, i.e., overstating his commercial appeal as a member of Fleetwood Mac while neglecting to mention that his commercial appeal as a solo artist is virtually nil. The other thing I noticed is that NOTHING seems to be formalized in writing. It is surprising that this phenomenally successful musical partnership is held together via an “oral” agreement, which in the state of California has some degree of legal enforceability (I learn something new every day!). In a nutshell, one cannot be fired from such a partnership unless there is unanimous agreement OR there is just cause. And LB’s assertion of wrongful termination is based on just cause; however, there was nothing mentioned in the complaint about a potential just cause beyond the solo tour issue. The only formal arrangement the band ever created in the past is when FM formed LLCs to manage tour and merch revenue; it appears that they dissolve the old LLC and form a new LLC for almost every new tour. So apparently LB was excluded from the LLC formed for the 2018-19 tour. Finally, Lindsey NEVER SIGNED A CONTRACT for the 2018-2019 tour. The complaint only mentions that he attended several high-level meetings where the expected compensation amounts were discussed.

Oh, and the complaint states in no uncertain terms that the LB/CM album was supposed to be a Fleetwood Mac album, despite Lindsey’s assertions to the contrary during last year’s press tour. See? St. Lindsey told a bold faced lie. Shocking, amiright?

Anyway my take on it is that LB’s case is on shaky ground. There is no formal Fleetwood Mac, Inc. corporation – just a handshake arrangement between the five band members. He claims that there is no just cause for termination because he caved to the band’s demands about the tour, but that assumes that is indeed the only reason for his termination. He owns no financial interest in the Fleetwood Mac 2018-2019 Tour LLC. Finally, he didn’t officially sign up for the tour. He says he was ready, willing and able and attended many meetings… but ultimately he didn’t put a ring on it for some reason.

The fact that band members have been explicitly instructed not to communicate with Lindsey is telling. I suspect this situation is way, way, way more complicated than Stevie merely feeling disrespected at Radio City. The band fell into formation and moved on very, very quickly, which means that the wheels for Option B must have been in the works for a long, long time. Lindsey provided a very heartfelt, mournful email as Appendix A of his complaint. But where are all the other emails that he purportedly wrote when trying to reach members of the band? Perhaps there are statements in those emails that undermine his case? I suspect that things were already not going well back during the LB/CM promotional tour and the Classic East/West shows. From the July 17, 2017 LA Times:



It is not inconceivable that he probably carried this cavalier, dismissive demeanor off-stage as well and, with good reason, this quote probably ticked off members of the band – especially Stevie and Mick, who have been arguably Fleetwood Mac’s biggest cheerleaders. Who knows what other passive or overt gestures of aggression Lindsey exhibited around those shows? So when discussions around the new tour became tense over the solo tour dates in December 2017, I wouldn’t have been surprised if he burned some bridges or said some very insulting things (like in the LA Times interview), which could have led them to conclude that enough was enough. There is a pattern of passive aggressive behavior from Lindsey, which may have escalated to a rolling boil during those meetings and then finally the lid blew off the pot at Radio City with those digs at Stevie.

I can see why people attribute this turn of events solely to Stevie. But I also know what it’s like to have to work alongside someone who does not respect you or your work (as evidenced by Lindsey’s supposed casual dismissal of Stevie’s Bella Donna success). And to make matters extremely messy, they are exes who spent the last 40 years keeping score on each other, which has to lead to resentment – his resentment over Stevie’s success (as evidenced by his complaint that “Rhiannon” was the introduction song) which he never enjoyed himself and her resentment over his life of domestic bliss which she never enjoyed herself. I believe Lindsey when he says he doesn’t know why he was fired; some people are just not that self-aware. But I also believe Stevie when she says that she wants the remaining years of her career to be joyful. And I suspect Lindsey also cast an increasing shadow on the rest of the band as he badmouthed the FM brand as a politically charged nostalgia act run by managers and agents. Anyway, I don’t know, and nobody outside of Fleetwood Mac, Inc. really knows what actually went down. But based on the pattern of his behavior, especially all this “big machine, little machine crap he’s been saying for years and his apparent ingratefulness (again, read quote above), I wasn’t terribly shocked by the news that he was finally terminated after Radio City. It takes a single match to burn a house down.

Ultimately, these are people who have stuck together through the years and they have created an amazing body of work throughout the various incarnations and solo endeavors. As far as I am concerned, everything else is just icing on the cake at this point and they've earned the right to do whatever they have to do to find their happiness in the winter of their lives. Heartbreak of the moment is not endless. While I wish the Rumours 5 would have stayed together, my desire does not trump their happiness as people. I am grateful to Stevie, Christine, Lindsey, Mick and John and the other members (except Bekka and Dave Mason - y'all kinda ruined it for me) for their artistry and the joy they've given me and I am totally on board for where the saga heads next.

Great post! A very interesting read. I have very similar thoughts and feelings to almost everything you have stated here.

[Andyleo]

Exactly what I said. A tiny group of people in the entire world clustered together on one website. How many people, in real life like those songs? Almost none.

Sorry, I'm a huge fan of Stevie's' music and I love those two songs, all my family and friends who've had my musical tastes forced into their ears for decades even like most of Lindsey's Fleetwood Mac stuff. "Almost none" ... don't think that's right.

[Keith]

I'm sitting here enjoying my cup of coffee watching the local news - my morning ritual. And the story about Lindsey suing Fleetwood Mac came up. My local news in small town Missouri was talking about it - this is getting to be too much. I really don't have the energy to care anymore about this continued drama. So I think today I will kick back and listen to Lindsey's Anthology from front to back which I'm loving, and then listen to Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, Tusk, Mirage and Tango in the Night. And yes I will buy the new Fleetwood Mac 50 Years Don't Stop compilation and listen to it repeatedly.

I fell in love with Fleetwood Mac on Christmas night in 1976 when my sister gave me the "Fleetwood Mac' album - I sat in my room with the album cover, headphones on, listening to this record over and over and just fell in love. One of my best Christmas presents.

This whole situation just really makes me sad. But in reality, this pales with all the other bigger issues going on in this crazy world.

So I will choose to focus on the music that this fantastic band created, knowing that I will never see the Five perform as a band again. And that's ok. It's only rock and roll - too bad Fleetwood Mac made it about so much more.

[Newzchspy]

Hmm... who might be encouraging Lindsey to sue Fleetwood Mac? Now I'm not sayin' she's a gold digger...
It actually gives great insight to how much they're getting per show per member. Mick, Stevie and Chris getting the lions share and Neil and Mike are hired guns, aka contract players, getting far less. Still, not a bad amount of $$ for a 50 show tour.

[DownOnRodeo]

It actually gives great insight to how much they're getting per show per member. Mick, Stevie and Chris getting the lions share and Neil and Mike are hired guns, aka contract players, getting far less. Still, not a bad amount of $$ for a 50 show tour.

Yes. Someone remarked in one of these threads (before the Complaint appeared) that they thought that Mick and John owned Fleetwood Mac and that the rest of the Rumours Five were employees. The Complaint shows this not to be the case; instead, I think it's safe to assume that Lindsey never would have agreed to join the band in 1974/1975 as a hired gun, so they would have joined as full creative members with a say in the band's direction; whereas I assume the likes of Billy Burnette were probably contract hires, at least for the Tango tour. Perhaps it's a clause in the contracts for Neil and Mike that there is an option to become full members if and when this tour proves a success.

[Newzchspy]

Lots of seats available tomorrow night...lots

https://www1.ticketmaster.com/an-evening-with-fleetwood-mac-lincoln-nebraska-10-12-2018/event/060054980303FA09?artistid=735087&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1
Lots of empty seats in Chicago last weekend. Most I have ever seen at a FM Tour.

Lawsuits are great, as the Complaint and subsequent discovery like depositions, contracts, agreements, incorporations, , now all public, will expose the inner workings better than any book ever could.

[bwboy]

I think it's safe to assume that Lindsey never would have agreed to join the band in 1974/1975 as a hired gun, so they would have joined as full creative members with a say in the band's direction; whereas I assume the likes of Billy Burnette were probably contract hires, at least for the Tango tour. Perhaps it's a clause in the contracts for Neil and Mike that there is an option to become full members if and when this tour proves a success.

I just wanted to add that in Billy Burnette's book, he said he and Rick were formally added to FM by Mick, John, Christine, and Stevie. Not sure exactly what that means, but the fact they all recorded Behind the Mask also suggests they were, in fact, full members. So you could be right that they were contracted for the Tango tour, but became full members during or shortly after said tour.

[bwboy]

I'm sitting here enjoying my cup of coffee watching the local news - my morning ritual. And the story about Lindsey suing Fleetwood Mac came up. My local news in small town Missouri was talking about it - this is getting to be too much. I really don't have the energy to care anymore about this continued drama. So I think today I will kick back and listen to Lindsey's Anthology from front to back which I'm loving, and then listen to Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, Tusk, Mirage and Tango in the Night. And yes I will buy the new Fleetwood Mac 50 Years Don't Stop compilation and listen to it repeatedly.

I fell in love with Fleetwood Mac on Christmas night in 1976 when my sister gave me the "Fleetwood Mac' album - I sat in my room with the album cover, headphones on, listening to this record over and over and just fell in love. One of my best Christmas presents.

This whole situation just really makes me sad. But in reality, this pales with all the other bigger issues going on in this crazy world.

So I will choose to focus on the music that this fantastic band created, knowing that I will never see the Five perform as a band again. And that's ok. It's only rock and roll - too bad Fleetwood Mac made it about so much more.

What a great post, Keith. I agree with everything you said except for two points- 1) I don't think I'll be buying the new compilation. But it's not out of protest or anything like that, it's just without either new material or outtakes, I don't feel the need and 2) I actually think that even with this lawsuit, there could still be a reunion someday. Hey, stranger things have happened. I'm not banking on it, but then again, I never would have thought FM would reunite back in 1996, and they not only reunited... they came back with a vengeance. So with these folks, anything is possible.

Also, the Go-Gos had a similar lawsuit when 4 of the members fired one of the members right before their farewell tour. She sued, it got ugly, they settled, and then a year later they reunited for a handful of tour dates. Money makes the world go round, it would seem, and as this lawsuit has revealed, FM and Lindsey are no different or better than anyone else when it comes to the almighty dollar :(

[kenzo]

I like this Kyle guy. A real rabble rouser. Old school like. You weasels don’t know what it used to be like IN THE OLDEN DAYS

Even in the olden days, we followed the First Commandment of Internet:
"Don't Feed The Trolls" :D

[John Run]

[I][I][I]0riginally Posted by AncientQueen View Post
Next step: Hell breaks loose because FM bring up everything that Lindsey said or did over the years to make sure that Stevie is the victim here and not him.
Stay tuned for him calling them liars, them suing him for defamation, him suing them for slander.
I'm already exhausted from the BS.
This is most likely the next steps in what is going to become an ugly and public back and forth exposing the underbelly of each of the band members and their handlers. End Quote

Maybe outside the potential replacement of John there was little in the filling that was not known or reasonably suspected to be known by people who have been following along. However to the much larger world this is new information that mostly contradicts the public narrative the band had try to shape.

Unlike a previous poster, in my opinion there are parts of this case that have significant chance of sustaining under sympathetic to the aggrieved California law. Particularly, if there are written communications from Live Nation about potential earnings from the tour and they are dated prior to his termination. Additionally, if it can be documented that Buckingham paid in capital to the benefit of the partnership then he will show strong a right to recovery and additional remedy.

The band will move for a summary judgment to dismiss, but that burden is high, so some to much of the case will survive until such time a settlement is reached.

You will see a public chipping away at Buckingham. Probably mostly off the record, difficult to prove, but reasonably accurate, even if framed to paint him in the worst possible light. This will be done to silence him through embarrassment and bring him and his attorneys to a quiet settlement.

Remember this, Lindsey has his version of the truth. Fleetwood Mac and in particular Stevie have created an insular word where they work hard to control the narrative and that narrative real or imagined is their reinforced truth. I can’t believe all but the most delusioned didn’t expect litigation to happen. You don’t terminate a partner from a 9 figure entity with zero compensation and expect them go quietly crying into the night.

Notably absent in this filing is a reference to Azoff. If he was simultaneously representing Buckingham individually and Fleetwood Mac collectively that is whole other conflict interest and exposure to damages that may have already been addressed and settled.

A shame that this will be the parting snapshot of one the great bands of our time.

[StevieandChris]

But he still loves them all. That's what his e-mail to Mick says. So, no matter how much he tries, he will never reach the degree of those two ungrateful a$$holes.

PUHLEESE. He does not love them anymore than they love him at this stage. This was performance, knowing the email will eventually be read in court. He is no dummy.

[HomerMcvie]

Yes. Someone remarked in one of these threads (before the Complaint appeared) that they thought that Mick and John owned Fleetwood Mac and that the rest of the Rumours Five were employees. The Complaint shows this not to be the case; instead, I think it's safe to assume that Lindsey never would have agreed to join the band in 1974/1975 as a hired gun, so they would have joined as full creative members with a say in the band's direction; whereas I assume the likes of Billy Burnette were probably contract hires, at least for the Tango tour. Perhaps it's a clause in the contracts for Neil and Mike that there is an option to become full members if and when this tour proves a success.

According to Mick's first book, when $tevie and Lindsey first joined, they were given a salary of $200/ week. After a short time, they realized that things were really clicking, then they were given full member status.

[tsitopen]

Notably absent in this filing is a reference to Azoff. If he was simultaneously representing Buckingham individually and Fleetwood Mac collectively that is whole other conflict interest and exposure to damages that may have already been addressed and settled

Unlike most people in this festering cesspool you seem to actually know what you’re talking about. I read the complaint and I’m interested in these people who are unnamed...1-25 John Doe’s whose identities can’t be ascertained. What’s that about

[DownOnRodeo]

According to Mick's first book, when $tevie and Lindsey first joined, they were given a salary of $200/ week. After a short time, they realized that things were really clicking, then they were given full member status.

Yes, thanks for mentioning that. And it's because not only were the band trialling FM (particularly the compatability with Christine) but BN were trialling the band (from Lindsey's perspective anyway). Who knows how resigned Stevie may have been to accepting that status on a longer term basis, but for Lindsey it would have been anathema.

[Storms123]

Unlike most people in this festering cesspool you seem to actually know what you’re talking about. I read the complaint and I’m interested in these people who are unnamed...1-25 John Doe’s whose identities can’t be ascertained. What’s that about

I think it’s meant to encompass anyone else who could potentially been found to be involved but not in such an outward/obvious way as the band members. I am assuming it means anyone associated with the band collectively or in the employment of the individual members

[Bandon]

Well...on the upside, at least Lindsey is eligible for unemployment compensation.d

[Feather Blade]

Well...on the upside, at least Lindsey is eligible for unemployment compensation.d

Whew, Kristen can still afford to get the diamond studded name plates for the stalls at the horse farm. Thank goodness for small blessings... :lol:

[lovethemac1]

Whew, Kristen can still afford to get the diamond studded name plates for the stalls at the horse farm. Thank goodness for small blessings... :lol:

Jealousy rearing it’s ugly head......

[Feather Blade]

Jealousy rearing it’s ugly head......

Nope just a little humor like the unemployment comment above it. Should I have called someone a farm animal name, switched out currency symbols for the letters in a name or perhaps made a sweeping statement about how childbirth would have kept someone from being bitter? I can't keep straight who and what we are allowed to joke about.

[HomerMcvie]

Nope just a little humor like the unemployment comment above it. Should I have called someone a farm animal name, switched out currency symbols for the letters in a name or perhaps made a sweeping statement about how childbirth would have kept someone from being bitter? I can't keep straight who and what we are allowed to joke about.

You ARE allowed to joke about the band. That's it.

[rhiannondontgo]

In case anyone here hasn’t seen the update in the other thread, FM has responded again. Their spokesperson said “Fleetwood Mac strongly disputes the allegations presented in Mr. Buckingham’s complaint and looks forward to their day in court.” They have retained Dan Petrocelli, a very well known entertainment attorney who represented the Eagles in Don Felder’s suit (but is probably best known for representing the Goldmans in their successful civil suit against OJ).
Doesn’t sound like they’re backing down or considering a settlement.

https://www.thewrap.com/fleetwood-mac-strongly-disputes-lindsey-buckinghams-lawsuit/

[Feather Blade]

You ARE allowed to joke about the band. That's it.

Wait a minute, am I wrong in remembering your having joked about Karen a fair amount of times? In fact I remember something about how you'd like to punch her in the pie hole...

[Bandon]

You ARE allowed to joke about the band. That's it.

Exactly.. no one here is going to filter my comments...joking or whatever. Lindsey could actually draw an extra 1,000 a month on unemployment. :wavey::wavey:

[SortaSavageLike]

I really don't have a problem with this, so long as it's a lovingly crafted boutique lawsuit meticulously ligated over a period of several years in an intimate night court.

[HomerMcvie]

Wait a minute, am I wrong in remembering your having joked about Karen a fair amount of times? In fact I remember something about how you'd like to punch her in the pie hole...

Oh, Moses smell the roses. That's $tevie's MOUTH. If you don't understand the connection, move on. Get a life.

[DownOnRodeo]

I really don't have a problem with this, so long as it's a lovingly crafted boutique lawsuit meticulously ligated over a period of several years in an intimate night court.

:laugh: Well, hello there, Stevie.

[secondhandchain]

Wait a minute, am I wrong in remembering your having joked about Karen a fair amount of times? In fact I remember something about how you'd like to punch her in the pie hole...

I just had this vision of David as Jackie Gleason. Youngers viewers may not know the the F I'm talking about.

[HomerMcvie]

I just had this vision of David as Jackie Gleason. Youngers viewers may not know the the F I'm talking about.

I've always seen myself as more of a Cosmo Kramer.

[Newzchspy]

[I][I][I]0riginally Posted by AncientQueen View Post
Next step: Hell breaks loose because FM bring up everything that Lindsey said or did over the years to make sure that Stevie is the victim here and not him.
Stay tuned for him calling them liars, them suing him for defamation, him suing them for slander.
I'm already exhausted from the BS.
This is most likely the next steps in what is going to become an ugly and public back and forth exposing the underbelly of each of the band members and their handlers. End Quote

Maybe outside the potential replacement of John there was little in the filling that was not known or reasonably suspected to be known by people who have been following along. However to the much larger world this is new information that mostly contradicts the public narrative the band had try to shape.

Unlike a previous poster, in my opinion there are parts of this case that have significant chance of sustaining under sympathetic to the aggrieved California law. Particularly, if there are written communications from Live Nation about potential earnings from the tour and they are dated prior to his termination. Additionally, if it can be documented that Buckingham paid in capital to the benefit of the partnership then he will show strong a right to recovery and additional remedy.

The band will move for a summary judgment to dismiss, but that burden is high, so some to much of the case will survive until such time a settlement is reached.

You will see a public chipping away at Buckingham. Probably mostly off the record, difficult to prove, but reasonably accurate, even if framed to paint him in the worst possible light. This will be done to silence him through embarrassment and bring him and his attorneys to a quiet settlement.

Remember this, Lindsey has his version of the truth. Fleetwood Mac and in particular Stevie have created an insular word where they work hard to control the narrative and that narrative real or imagined is their reinforced truth. I can’t believe all but the most delusioned didn’t expect litigation to happen. You don’t terminate a partner from a 9 figure entity with zero compensation and expect them go quietly crying into the night.

Notably absent in this filing is a reference to Azoff. If he was simultaneously representing Buckingham individually and Fleetwood Mac collectively that is whole other conflict interest and exposure to damages that may have already been addressed and settled.

A shame that this will be the parting snapshot of one the great bands of our time.
I can't wait for discovery in this case. To see or hear all the financials ( this is about $$ after all). Depositions, interrogatories, Requests for Admissions. You'll see the sad underbelly of the band once the discovery becomes public.

By the way, case progression typically goes like this: Suit filed. Motion(s) to Dismiss for failure to state cause of action. Discovery. Motion for Summary Judgment. Trial. Verdict. Appeal. You're talking a long time here.

This will really put a crimp in the current tour . I'll bet the pre-concert & travel discussion is just delicious. How many times can we hear the word "That F***ing Lindsey........

[Feather Blade]

Oh, Moses smell the roses. That's $tevie's MOUTH. If you don't understand the connection, move on. Get a life.

Oh come on David, we may disagree about some issues but I like you. How is making a joke about an auxiliary to a band member (ex member that is) having expensive tastes, worse than you saying you hate an auxiliary to a band member so much you want to assault her! Incidentally the band related insults she's put out in the public via Twitter and such don't seem to imply someone who wants privacy. ;)

[HomerMcvie]

Oh come on David, we may disagree about some issues but I like you. How is making a joke about an auxiliary to a band member (ex member that is) having expensive tastes, worse than you saying you hate an auxiliary to a band member so much you want to assault her! Incidentally the band related insults she's put out in the public via Twitter and such don't seem to imply someone who wants privacy. ;)

I have authority issues.

It would be bad enough taking sh*t off of idiot $tevie, but to have to sit still and take sh*t from KAREN, just because $tevie says you have to...IDK who I hate more, $tevie or Karen. It might be a tie.

And HEY, saying you want to slap somebody...it's an expression...stop taking things so literally.

[Feather Blade]

I have authority issues.

It would be bad enough taking sh*t off of idiot $tevie, but to have to sit still and take sh*t from KAREN, just because $tevie says you have to...IDK who I hate more, $tevie or Karen. It might be a tie.

And HEY, saying you want to slap somebody...it's an expression...stop taking things so literally.

Then carry on I suppose, and if I make a joke about someone who isn't a band member either, I'll continue to feel free to do that as well.

[NotonRodeo]

It would be bad enough taking sh*t off of idiot $tevie, but to have to sit still and take sh*t from KAREN, just because $tevie says you have to...IDK who I hate more, $tevie or Karen. It might be a tie.



I do fervently hope Karen is one of the Jane Does Lindsey is claiming damages from :D If anyone wants to point at whomever broke up Fleetwood Mac, she is the most plausible candidate.

[HomerMcvie]

I do fervently hope Karen is one of the Jane Does Lindsey is claiming damages from :D If anyone wants to point at whomever broke up Fleetwood Mac, she is the most plausible candidate.

I agree completely. She seems to be a complete PITA.

[HomerMcvie]

Then carry on I suppose, and if I make a joke about someone who isn't a band member either, I'll continue to feel free to do that as well.

She's $tevie's right arm. If you don't see that, I can't explain it any further.


Carry on, and do as you wish. I don't care.

[gldstwmn]

I really don't have a problem with this, so long as it's a lovingly crafted boutique lawsuit meticulously ligated over a period of several years in an intimate night court.

:lol::lol::lol::thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

Well, it has been a while since I’ve posted here and honestly I really haven’t had anything to say that hasn’t already been said to the nth power. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and expressing them is great. But what is maddening to me is when people draw hasty conclusions from barely a data point or two from which to draw such a conclusion. And it seems that this latest saga with our band really just brought out the absolute worst in people; I see you, and we all see you for what you are, and it ain’t pretty. It’s one thing to have a lapse or two in critical thinking skills, but you can see the darkness of the darkest of hearts through the quick rise to hostility expressed around here. If there is one thing that getting old has taught me, it is that most people don’t know s*** and you shouldn’t pass judgement on people or situations that you know nothing about. The bottom line is y’all don’t know these people, you weren’t involved in any discussions regarding Lindsey’s ouster and you just don’t know the motivations of these people even though some of you pretend like you were a fly on the wall when these decisions were made.

I read the long, redundant complaint and what struck me was that although it seemed truthful (based on the dates, events and situations that I have observed myself as a fan), there seemed to be much exaggeration, i.e., overstating his commercial appeal as a member of Fleetwood Mac while neglecting to mention that his commercial appeal as a solo artist is virtually nil. The other thing I noticed is that NOTHING seems to be formalized in writing. It is surprising that this phenomenally successful musical partnership is held together via an “oral” agreement, which in the state of California has some degree of legal enforceability (I learn something new every day!). In a nutshell, one cannot be fired from such a partnership unless there is unanimous agreement OR there is just cause. And LB’s assertion of wrongful termination is based on just cause; however, there was nothing mentioned in the complaint about a potential just cause beyond the solo tour issue. The only formal arrangement the band ever created in the past is when FM formed LLCs to manage tour and merch revenue; it appears that they dissolve the old LLC and form a new LLC for almost every new tour. So apparently LB was excluded from the LLC formed for the 2018-19 tour. Finally, Lindsey NEVER SIGNED A CONTRACT for the 2018-2019 tour. The complaint only mentions that he attended several high-level meetings where the expected compensation amounts were discussed.

Oh, and the complaint states in no uncertain terms that the LB/CM album was supposed to be a Fleetwood Mac album, despite Lindsey’s assertions to the contrary during last year’s press tour. See? St. Lindsey told a bold faced lie. Shocking, amiright?

Anyway my take on it is that LB’s case is on shaky ground. There is no formal Fleetwood Mac, Inc. corporation – just a handshake arrangement between the five band members. He claims that there is no just cause for termination because he caved to the band’s demands about the tour, but that assumes that is indeed the only reason for his termination. He owns no financial interest in the Fleetwood Mac 2018-2019 Tour LLC. Finally, he didn’t officially sign up for the tour. He says he was ready, willing and able and attended many meetings… but ultimately he didn’t put a ring on it for some reason.

The fact that band members have been explicitly instructed not to communicate with Lindsey is telling. I suspect this situation is way, way, way more complicated than Stevie merely feeling disrespected at Radio City. The band fell into formation and moved on very, very quickly, which means that the wheels for Option B must have been in the works for a long, long time. Lindsey provided a very heartfelt, mournful email as Appendix A of his complaint. But where are all the other emails that he purportedly wrote when trying to reach members of the band? Perhaps there are statements in those emails that undermine his case? I suspect that things were already not going well back during the LB/CM promotional tour and the Classic East/West shows. From the July 17, 2017 LA Times:



It is not inconceivable that he probably carried this cavalier, dismissive demeanor off-stage as well and, with good reason, this quote probably ticked off members of the band – especially Stevie and Mick, who have been arguably Fleetwood Mac’s biggest cheerleaders. Who knows what other passive or overt gestures of aggression Lindsey exhibited around those shows? So when discussions around the new tour became tense over the solo tour dates in December 2017, I wouldn’t have been surprised if he burned some bridges or said some very insulting things (like in the LA Times interview), which could have led them to conclude that enough was enough. There is a pattern of passive aggressive behavior from Lindsey, which may have escalated to a rolling boil during those meetings and then finally the lid blew off the pot at Radio City with those digs at Stevie.

I can see why people attribute this turn of events solely to Stevie. But I also know what it’s like to have to work alongside someone who does not respect you or your work (as evidenced by Lindsey’s supposed casual dismissal of Stevie’s Bella Donna success). And to make matters extremely messy, they are exes who spent the last 40 years keeping score on each other, which has to lead to resentment – his resentment over Stevie’s success (as evidenced by his complaint that “Rhiannon” was the introduction song) which he never enjoyed himself and her resentment over his life of domestic bliss which she never enjoyed herself. I believe Lindsey when he says he doesn’t know why he was fired; some people are just not that self-aware. But I also believe Stevie when she says that she wants the remaining years of her career to be joyful. And I suspect Lindsey also cast an increasing shadow on the rest of the band as he badmouthed the FM brand as a politically charged nostalgia act run by managers and agents. Anyway, I don’t know, and nobody outside of Fleetwood Mac, Inc. really knows what actually went down. But based on the pattern of his behavior, especially all this “big machine, little machine crap he’s been saying for years and his apparent ingratefulness (again, read quote above), I wasn’t terribly shocked by the news that he was finally terminated after Radio City. It takes a single match to burn a house down.

Ultimately, these are people who have stuck together through the years and they have created an amazing body of work throughout the various incarnations and solo endeavors. As far as I am concerned, everything else is just icing on the cake at this point and they've earned the right to do whatever they have to do to find their happiness in the winter of their lives. Heartbreak of the moment is not endless. While I wish the Rumours 5 would have stayed together, my desire does not trump their happiness as people. I am grateful to Stevie, Christine, Lindsey, Mick and John and the other members (except Bekka and Dave Mason - y'all kinda ruined it for me) for their artistry and the joy they've given me and I am totally on board for where the saga heads next.

It's nice to see you here again and your post is excellent. :thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

You're right. I guess Lindsey will now be nominated for the RRHOF.

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Bless him, he won't. These are the consequences of alienating almost everyone you come in contact with.

[gldstwmn]

As for the comments about the Classic Shows maybe he shouldn't have said those things but I lost some respect for both them and The Eagles for performing alongside acts like Earth Wind and Fire, Steely Dan, and Journey. None of those acts are IMO on the same level as FM or the Eagles in terms of popularity today.


That's why FM and The Eagles were headliners.

[gldstwmn]

Whew, Kristen can still afford to get the diamond studded name plates for the stalls at the horse farm. Thank goodness for small blessings... :lol:

Maybe even build another $20 million spec house...

[gldstwmn]

Well...on the upside, at least Lindsey is eligible for unemployment compensation.d

Actually Lindsey would have to file and the state of California would have to rule if he was fired for just cause.

[gldstwmn]

Nope just a little humor like the unemployment comment above it. Should I have called someone a farm animal name, switched out currency symbols for the letters in a name or perhaps made a sweeping statement about how childbirth would have kept someone from being bitter? I can't keep straight who and what we are allowed to joke about.

Boom! :laugh::wavey:

[gldstwmn]

I just had this vision of David as Jackie Gleason.

Jackie Gleason was obsessed with aliens. He said when LBJ was president that he showed him some. :eek:

[David]

Agreed. I've hated that SH*T since Mirage! What kind of idiots lap up that inane crap?
I was a sucker for it back when the two of them did that "Say Goodbye" song at his concert.

Other than that, I was more invested in the drama of watching each member compete with the magnificent image of his or her younger self. (My judicial opinion is that they all lost that battle on aesthetic grounds.)

Speaking of the views Lindsey aired of the Classic West shows and about the alleged fallout on the rest of the band and its booking agents and lawyers, isn't it the most fundamental aspect of rock and roll that it rejects (or pretends to reject) conservatism and corporatism? An entire punk and new wave movement grew out of the critique of corporate AOR rock that ossified radio in the 1970s. Lindsey was fired up about that at the time! This is nothing new for him, God only knows. He's been pushing back at the "safe" choices (like the idea of a Rumours II) for fifty years! If the band and its lawyers aren't used to that by now, they're a bunch of numskulls.

Besides, has anyone ever actually demonstrated that rock music's anti-corporate critique has any effect on tickets or on revenue? That's a tenuous, dubious connection somebody's trying to draw. You could just as easily argue (and more believably) that one of the commercial draws of Fleetwood Mac has always been the tension between its commercially safe side and its experimental, inventive side. The rock press has made that clear about the band forever.

Shall we start a list of rockers who have been vocally dismissive of rock-as-business? It would stretch from here to the moon, and would include some of the most popular performers of all time.

[bombaysaffires]

I was a sucker for it back when the two of them did that "Say Goodbye" song at his concert.

Other than that, I was more invested in the drama of watching each member compete with the magnificent image of his or her younger self. (My judicial opinion is that they all lost that battle on aesthetic grounds.)

Speaking of the views Lindsey aired of the Classic West shows and about the alleged fallout on the rest of the band and its booking agents and lawyers, isn't it the most fundamental aspect of rock and roll that it rejects (or pretends to reject) conservatism and corporatism? An entire punk and new wave movement grew out of the critique of corporate AOR rock that ossified radio in the 1970s. Lindsey was fired up about that at the time! This is nothing new for him, God only knows. He's been pushing back at the "safe" choices (like the idea of a Rumours II) for fifty years! If the band and its lawyers aren't used to that by now, they're a bunch of numskulls.

Besides, has anyone ever actually demonstrated that rock music's anti-corporate critique has any effect on tickets or on revenue? That's a tenuous, dubious connection somebody's trying to draw. You could just as easily argue (and more believably) that one of the commercial draws of Fleetwood Mac has always been the tension between its commercially safe side and its experimental, inventive side. The rock press has made that clear about the band forever.

Shall we start a list of rockers who have been vocally dismissive of rock-as-business? It would stretch from here to the moon, and would include some of the most popular performers of all time.

tom petty's name would be at the top of the list. people should go back and read his history with his record company.:nod:

the one who's always been a management ass-kisser is stevie.

[gldstwmn]

Speaking of the views Lindsey aired of the Classic West shows and about the alleged fallout on the rest of the band and its booking agents and lawyers, isn't it the most fundamental aspect of rock and roll that it rejects (or pretends to reject) conservatism and corporatism? An entire punk and new wave movement grew out of the critique of corporate AOR rock that ossified radio in the 1970s.

Yes but none of them were manged by Irving Azoff. :laugh: The Eagles were a bunch of malcontents but they loved money. I confused though. Is Azoff still managing Lindsey or did they get a divorce too?

[gldstwmn]

tom petty's name would be at the top of the list. people should go back and read his history with his record company.:nod:

the one who's always been a management ass-kisser is stevie.

She infamously fired Azoff 30 years ago.

[SteveMacD]

Agreed. I've hated that SH*T since Mirage! What kind of idiots lap up that inane crap?

The kind of people who believe that £ind$€¥ and $tevie still had something other than money between them. Not too different than people who believe that FM ONLY fired
£ind$€¥ because $tevie wanted him gone.