Lindsey is Suing Fleetwood Mac!

[wilsonmac]

The kind of people who believe that £ind$€¥ and $tevie still had something other than money between them. Not too different than people who believe that FM ONLY fired
£ind$€¥ because $tevie wanted him gone.

Yeah i agreed with a lot of what you said earlier in this thread, but if you think this lawsuit is solely about money for himself you are just as naive. Lindsey became another casualty of the Azoff machine that has altered so many aspects of the music business (Eagles, Ticketmaster, Live Nation etc). Because he is wealthy Lindsey is pushing back when many artists would not be able to.

The “outside influences” that he speaks of so often have destroyed this band. The music of Fleetwood Mac should be the first priority and it hasn’t been for a long time.

[Bandon]

Actually Lindsey would have to file and the state of California would have to rule if he was fired for just cause.

I totally agree.

[WayOfTheDragon]

The “outside influences” that he speaks of so often have destroyed this band. The music of Fleetwood Mac should be the first priority and it hasn’t been for a long time.

"In times past, the band has always relied on its center, its heart and soul to work through difficulties as they arose. But now, those around the edges - attorneys, management- have stepped in and rendered that center silent and impotent." -LB.

[sodascouts]

I don't know if we should be so quick to take that at face value. I have a feeling Lindsey was doing the old "We're not criticizing the queen; we're criticizing the queen's advisors" strategy, where you place the blame elsewhere in order to keep from alienating those who truly have power.

It obviously didn't work.

[Newzchspy]

Actually Lindsey would have to file and the state of California would have to rule if he was fired for just cause.
Who's he an employee of?? IIRC, he's probably a 1099 wage earner and independently employed.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around what a " boutique lawsuit" is?? Never heard such term in the legal community.

[DownOnRodeo]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around what a " boutique lawsuit" is?? Never heard such term in the legal community.

I think you'll find that SortaSavageLike was being humorous. ;)

[Newzchspy]

"In times past, the band has always relied on its center, its heart and soul to work through difficulties as they arose. But now, those around the edges - attorneys, management- have stepped in and rendered that center silent and impotent." -LB.
Total BS. Lindsey.

U damn well know that management and attorneys are only doing what you of your fellow band mates tell them to. An attorney just can't voluntarily, on their own, file a lawsuit in your behalf.

[rhiannondontgo]

"In times past, the band has always relied on its center, its heart and soul to work through difficulties as they arose. But now, those around the edges - attorneys, management- have stepped in and rendered that center silent and impotent." -LB.

I actually found it kind of interesting how they describe the band’s inner workings in the lawsuit. I would’ve thought a band as big and machine-like as FM would've operated in a much more formal and official manner. Instead, it seems like there’s not nearly as many legalities and organized guidelines as one would expect. With the exception of lots of message-sending through managers, it seems more like the band is fairly self-governed on unwritten rules they seem to have came up with decades ago and continue to follow based on good faith.

[DownOnRodeo]

Total BS. Lindsey.

U damn well know that management and attorneys are only doing what you of your fellow band mates tell them to. An attorney just can't voluntarily, on their own, file a lawsuit in your behalf.

Seeing as Lindsey is the one here filing a lawsuit, I think you'll find that's not the point he's trying to make.
He seems to be suggesting that the various discussions and directions taken by the band are being heavily influenced by what corporate/legal/management etc. say or think, or second guessing about what they might say. And as for the center becoming impotent in these matters, that rings true, given the members' ages.

[Newzchspy]

Seeing as Lindsey is the one here filing a lawsuit, I think you'll find that's not the point he's trying to make.
He seems to be suggesting that the various discussions and directions taken by the band are being heavily influenced by what corporate/legal/management etc. say or think, or second guessing about what they might say. And as for the center becoming impotent in these matters, that rings true, given the members' ages.
It appears to reflect his frustration in not being able to go directly to a " center" band member and express his discontent with the way things are going. Communication, or lack thereof, is often the Genesis of many a lawsuit. When you can't get satisfaction from a band member, then you'll find it elsewhere, a third party arbiter.

[DownOnRodeo]

It appears to reflect his frustration in not being able to go directly to a " center" band member and express his discontent with the way things are going. Communication, or lack thereof, is often the Genesis of many a lawsuit. When you can't get satisfaction from a band member, then you'll find it elsewhere, a third party arbiter.

Agreed about the need for psychological satisfaction from frustration--especially in this case, where the other members have egregiously refused to communicate with him at all, including any indication or prior notice of what would merit such behavior on their part.

Lindsey has always been relatively private, cautious, and meticulous; and though he let down his guard last year by making the "close your eyes and take the money" critique when pressed by that journalist (which, as David has noted, could hardly be considered a firing offense anyway, considering the rock and roll context), one assumes that he still is still the same type of person. If so, I doubt that he's filed this suit in a flurry of passion and will live to regret it; rather, the band side has apparently handled everything since MusiCares in a very hamfisted manner and from the information available to us they are currently on the back foot. No doubt their aggressive statement in response to the Complaint was merely a PR/bargaining flourish, and they will be looking to settle, albeit at the cheapest possible amount. It will be a shame for us fans that the settlement amount will be confidential, thus making it difficult for the Stevie camp or Lindsey camp to say who "won". But specific terms aside, any settlement should be considered a "victory" for the Lindsey side of this shambles.

[gldstwmn]

Who's he an employee of?? IIRC, he's probably a 1099 wage earner and independently employed.

I was responding to Bandon's joking (?) suggestion that Lindsey file for Unemployment. It depends on how he pays himself. If he pays himself with a W-2 then he could file a claim for Unemployment. If it's a 1099 then no. It depends on what offers the most tax benefits. When they file there's probably a K-1.

[Newzchspy]

Agreed about the need for psychological satisfaction from frustration--especially in this case, where the other members have egregiously refused to communicate with him at all, including any indication or prior notice of what would merit such behavior on their part.

Lindsey has always been relatively private, cautious, and meticulous; and though he let down his guard last year by making the "close your eyes and take the money" critique when pressed by that journalist (which, as David has noted, could hardly be considered a firing offense anyway, considering the rock and roll context), one assumes that he still is still the same type of person. If so, I doubt that he's filed this suit in a flurry of passion and will live to regret it; rather, the band side has apparently handled everything since MusiCares in a very hamfisted manner and from the information available to us they are currently on the back foot. No doubt their aggressive statement in response to the Complaint was merely a PR/bargaining flourish, and they will be looking to settle, albeit at the cheapest possible amount. It will be a shame for us fans that the settlement amount will be confidential, thus making it difficult for the Stevie camp or Lindsey camp to say who "won". But specific terms aside, any settlement should be considered a "victory" for the Lindsey side of this shambles.
Most likely it'll settle and we'll never know the amount. The cost of airing the dirty laundry and $$ spent litigating will be offset against the chance of Lindsey winning this suit. That's always the case. Lindsey could have even agreed to a contingency fee with his counsel here to offset his costs of filing and pursuing this. Regardless, after hundreds of thousand $ spent litigating the issues, it'll settle. They do 99% of the time.


I was responding to Bandon's joking (?) suggestion that Lindsey file for Unemployment. It depends on how he pays himself. If he pays himself with a W-2 then he could file a claim for Unemployment. If it's a 1099 then no. It depends on what offers the most tax benefits. When they file there's probably a K-1.. He's either an employee of his own corporation or LC (W2) or he's 1099 independent contractor. Extremely high income earners set up their own corps to Schedule deductions etc . Whatever he is, there's always a tax liability.

The interesting part for me is that through discovery, we can find out a lot about the bands machinations. I did figure out that FM sets up a LLc for every tour for merch etc and has even sued some merchandisers. There's $$ in merch .

[gldstwmn]

Most likely it'll settle and we'll never know the amount. The cost of airing the dirty laundry and $$ spent litigating will be offset against the chance of Lindsey winning this suit. That's always the case. Lindsey could have even agreed to a contingency fee with his counsel here to offset his costs of filing and pursuing this. Regardless, after hundreds of thousand $ spent litigating the issues, it'll settle. They do 99% of the time.


. He's either an employee of his own corporation or LC (W2) or he's 1099 independent contractor. Extremely high income earners set up their own corps to Schedule deductions etc . Whatever he is, there's always a tax liability.

The interesting part for me is that through discovery, we can find out a lot about the bands machinations. I did figure out that FM sets up a LLc for every tour for merch etc and has even sued some merchandisers. There's $$ in merch .

Yes sir. I agree.

[Bandon]

I was responding to Bandon's joking (?) suggestion that Lindsey file for Unemployment. It depends on how he pays himself. If he pays himself with a W-2 then he could file a claim for Unemployment. If it's a 1099 then no. It depends on what offers the most tax benefits. When they file there's probably a K-1.

Omg...of course I was joking. Why would he need or want to collect unemployment? He's a multi- millionaire. Just trying to lighten the conversation.

[kak125]

Just saw this on twitter:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unlike FM, we do not look forward to our day in court as this process is not one to relish. We do look forward to truth, fairness and closure however. Thank you for all your support.</p>&mdash; Kristen Buckingham (@KBChrush) <a href="https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1052202729970393089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[gldstwmn]

Omg...of course I was joking. Why would he need or want to collect unemployment? He's a multi- millionaire. Just trying to lighten the conversation.

You can never be too sure around here anymore. :lol:

[jwd]

Just saw this on twitter:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unlike FM, we do not look forward to our day in court as this process is not one to relish. We do look forward to truth, fairness and closure however. Thank you for all your support.</p>&mdash; Kristen Buckingham (@KBChrush) <a href="https://twitter.com/KBChrush/status/1052202729970393089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I like that statement! TRUTH, FAIRNESS and CLOSURE! Hope they get everything they're seeking. Truth reaveled that Stevie overreacted and the band didn't have just cause to dismiss Lindsey. Fairness that Lindsey gets the money and goodwill he is entitled to for everything he's done to make FM what it is today. Closure that he never has to deal with FM again and can move on to his solo career and other musical collaborations full time. Less drama, no BS, and freedom. And that's NO JOKE!

[Newzchspy]

Omg...of course I was joking. Why would he need or want to collect unemployment? He's a multi- millionaire. Just trying to lighten the conversation.

Lindzers sold HIS catalog a few years back. Got a boatload of $$. That also doesnt mean its not nearly gone as well. Read this old Courtney Love missive (18 years OLD) but a timely article that I had read years ago about the music industry/business and how its like a casino. The house (aka label) always wins.

If you havent seen this before, take time to do the math in your own head and see just how much the artists get screwed when it comes time to divvy up the $$. Its a must read to give some insight into why Lindsey is doing what he's doing. I even recall Billy Corgan of the SP stating that he gets about 10 cents a song as writer , BUT a whole lot less than that as the recording artist because of the contract and the way its divvied up.

https://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/

[gldstwmn]

Lindzers sold HIS catalog a few years back. Got a boatload of $$.

That surprises me. I guess that explains the Anoro commercial.

[gldstwmn]

TRUTH, FAIRNESS and CLOSURE!

The morality is gag inducing and highly suspicious. :laugh:

[justcrazylove]

Only a person with no morals thinks that way. :rolleyes:

[DownOnRodeo]

The morality is gag inducing and highly suspicious. :laugh:

Your responses regarding KB's statement remind me of the denouement of the first Harry Potter book.

It was agony to touch a person marked by something so good.

[secondhandchain]

The morality is gag inducing and highly suspicious. :laugh:

I'm imagining you saving up your life savings to go to "a thousand night of stevie" and it's making me LAUGH.

[gldstwmn]

I'm imagining you saving up your life savings to go to "a thousand night of stevie" and it's making me LAUGH.

I've already been. It was at The Knitting Factory that year. I stayed at the Waldorf Astoria in the towers, shopped at Saks, went to great restaurants and had an incredible time. I love New York. :)
I think my next big Stevie expenditure will be seeing her be the first woman inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as both a solo artist and band member. Anybody know any good restaurants in Cleveland? :laugh:

You can vote for Stevie here:
https://www.rockhall.com/fanvote/

[gldstwmn]

Your responses regarding KB's statement remind me of the denouement of the first Harry Potter book.

Oh it's a fairy tale alright... :lol:

[Bandon]

You can never be too sure around here anymore. :lol:

That's cool. Trust me, I completely understand. Thank you!!

[HejiraNYC]

I've already been. It was at The Knitting Factory that year. I stayed at the Waldorf Astoria in the towers, shopped at Saks, went to great restaurants and had an incredible time. I love New York. :)
I think my next big Stevie expenditure will be seeing her be the first woman inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as both a solo artist and band member. Anybody know any good restaurants in Cleveland? :laugh:

You can vote for Stevie here:
https://www.rockhall.com/fanvote/

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[DownOnRodeo]

I think my next big Stevie expenditure will be seeing her be the first woman inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as both a solo artist and band member. Anybody know any good restaurants in Cleveland? :laugh:[/url]

Please enjoy the Def Leppard concert. :wavey:

[HomerMcvie]

Too much money for freaking karaoke!

[HejiraNYC]

Too much money for freaking karaoke!

You mean like all of the pre-recorded vocals and instrumental tracks on the LB/CM tour or the backing tracks played on the One Man Show tour? Or the taped intro to "Tusk?" Yes, karaoke is annoying.

[DownOnRodeo]

You mean like all of the pre-recorded vocals and instrumental tracks on the LB/CM tour or the backing tracks played on the One Man Show tour? Or the taped intro to "Tusk?" Yes, karaoke is annoying.

I agree that Stevie has been much smarter in creatively adapting her melody lines over the decades to suit her vocal range, whereas Lindsey and Christine have insisted on adamantly sticking to the sheet music as it were, right up to and beyond the point where the instrument is broken. I wonder if CM and LB would be in slightly better vocal shape now if they had followed Stevie's lead on that front.

[HejiraNYC]

I agree that Stevie has been much smarter in creatively adapting her melody lines over the decades to suit her vocal range, whereas Lindsey and Christine have insisted on adamantly sticking to the sheet music as it were, right up to and beyond the point where the instrument is broken. I wonder if CM and LB would be in slightly better vocal shape now if they had followed Stevie's lead on that front.

Nice try. LB and CM totally changed their old songs to suit their current voices. I can only think of one FM song that Lindsey still sings in its original key ("Tusk"). Christine has also dropped the keys to most of her old songs, although not quite as dramatically. Ironically, Stevie's old FM songs are performed in their original keys and she only dodges a handful of notes in "Rhiannon," "Dreams" and "Gypsy." And more recently, she punts on the GDW wail... but you have to admit that, of the three, her voice is far and away stronger, clearer and more on pitch than Lindsey or Christine these days.

[DownOnRodeo]

Nice try.

:shocked: lol

I was talking about adjusting the actual melody lines, not the entire key. And also talking about over the duration of their touring careers, not just recent years.

No doubt the three days off between shows helps, but yes--the melody lines may be different from year to year, but whatever she sings she always sings it with gusto. I think of her as treating each song to be performed as a palette that she paints freely with, whereas LB and CM have tended to be a lot more left brained in their performances--maybe something to do with the hours they spend in the studio fine-tuning precise melody lines and instrumentation.

[HomerMcvie]

You mean like all of the pre-recorded vocals and instrumental tracks on the LB/CM tour or the backing tracks played on the One Man Show tour? Or the taped intro to "Tusk?" Yes, karaoke is annoying.

YES, that's EXACTLY what I f*cking mean. Is that the response you wanted?

[secondhandchain]

Nice try. LB and CM totally changed their old songs to suit their current voices. I can only think of one FM song that Lindsey still sings in its original key ("Tusk"). Christine has also dropped the keys to most of her old songs, although not quite as dramatically. Ironically, Stevie's old FM songs are performed in their original keys and she only dodges a handful of notes in "Rhiannon," "Dreams" and "Gypsy." And more recently, she punts on the GDW wail... but you have to admit that, of the three, her voice is far and away stronger, clearer and more on pitch than Lindsey or Christine these days.

She dodges the most important notes in Rhiannon. Her range is awful but her voice is in much better shape then Christines. I think LB's voice has gotten better the last few years then it was.

[secondhandchain]

So I saw in the On With the Faux board that Stevie mentioned the lawsuit in the show tonight? Anybody have more info?

[SteveMacD]

So I saw in the On With the Faux board that Stevie mentioned the lawsuit in the show tonight? Anybody have more info?

I was there and didn’t hear her or anyone say anything about it.

[Feather Blade]

Please enjoy the Def Leppard concert. :wavey:

I will love it if Def Leppard gets in as well. There will be more than one act inducted after all.