Importance of Stevie versus Lindsey [Archive] - Page 2

DownOnRodeo

08-24-2018, 11:24 PM

In addition to the personality traits mentioned by bombaysaffires (Stevie as quite extroverted, Lindsey as quite introverted),
I think it's very relevant to their relationship dynamic and differing personalities/careers that Stevie is an eldest child and Lindsey a youngest.

As an eldest child, Stevie feels comfortable calling the shots. She's even the one who insisted they join Fleetwood Mac. And in interviews (particularly post-Rumours), she feels comfortable leading the discourse. It just comes naturally to her. To answer her own rhetorical question from Sorcerer: "Who is the master?" She is. Even when the content of what she's saying is more deferential, like the recent remark "I'm not the boss in FM," the way she says it is very declarative and absolute. It doesn't so much matter what she says ("Station Man is a Christine song" etc.), it's the confidence she embodies when she says it that makes her so appealing and makes her a 'star' (of course in addition to great songs and great looks). Also she's not afraid of self-branding--"queen of rock" "welsh witch" "the gypsy urchin look."

Lindsey on the other hand, as a youngest child, while super articulate of course, is often smiling sheepishly to the camera as if seeking approval, his eyes downcast (compare Stevie's steely, almost hypnotizing focus on her interviewers), and whereas throughout much of his career he ultimately ended up relying on his "big brothers" and "big sisters," he comes across as neurotic about it, i.e. needing them around him but resenting it at the same time. And unless I'm mistaken, he never allowed himself to be incarnated as a metaphor--like Stevie as the queen of rock or the white-winged dove or whatever other thousand names she's been labelled as, or like Springsteen being 'the Boss', Billy Joel 'the Piano Man', and Elton John 'Rocket Man.' It's like that line in Batman Begins:
People need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy and I can't do that as Bruce Wayne [Read: Lindsey Buckingham]. As a man, I'm flesh and blood, I can be ignored, I can be destroyed; but as a symbol... as a symbol I can be incorruptible, I can be everlasting.

I agree with everything in bombaysaffires post, but just wanted to add the 'eldest/youngest child' aspect.

g. fish

08-26-2018, 05:03 PM

I won't miss the fake romance on stage between Lindsey and Stevie. It was kind of creepy knowing that Lindsey was happily married with three kids at home. I often wondered what Kristen thought of their fake charade. From my perspective, it distracted from the credibility of their music and performance.

jwd

08-26-2018, 08:36 PM

I won't miss the fake romance on stage between Lindsey and Stevie. It was kind of creepy knowing that Lindsey was happily married with three kids at home. I often wondered what Kristen thought of their fake charade. From my perspective, it distracted from the credibility of their music and performance.

I think Stevie thrived on it more than anyone. She lives in the past. Once Lindsey started paying more attention to Christine, ala BuckVie and the way he reacted more with Chris on stage, it shattered the fake world she was living in. Then only way for her to crawl back in to her pretentious space was to get rid of Lindsey.

mitzo

08-26-2018, 09:13 PM

I won't miss the fake romance on stage between Lindsey and Stevie. It was kind of creepy knowing that Lindsey was happily married with three kids at home. I often wondered what Kristen thought of their fake charade. From my perspective, it distracted from the credibility of their music and performance.

Kristin cashed in on it. Now the gravy train has stopped for her.

jwd

08-26-2018, 09:35 PM

Kristin cashed in on it. Now the gravy train has stopped for her.

They'll be just fine. It's called royalties. You ever heard of an album called Rumours and other numerous best selling FM albums which Lindsey was a MAJOR part of? Gravy train isn't stopping anytime soon for the Buckinghams. Sorry to burst your bubble.

HomerMcvie

08-26-2018, 11:02 PM

I think Stevie thrived on it more than anyone. She lives in the past. Once Lindsey started paying more attention to Christine, ala BuckVie and the way he reacted more with Chris on stage, it shattered the fake world she was living in. Then only way for her to crawl back in to her pretentious space was to get rid of Lindsey.

THIS.THIS.THIS.THIS.THIS.

Old hag.

TrueFaith77

08-27-2018, 12:39 PM

I think Stevie thrived on it more than anyone. She lives in the past. Once Lindsey started paying more attention to Christine, ala BuckVie and the way he reacted more with Chris on stage, it shattered the fake world she was living in. Then only way for her to crawl back in to her pretentious space was to get rid of Lindsey.

omg

Stevie IS Miss Havisham!

button-lip

08-27-2018, 07:05 PM

They'll be just fine. It's called royalties. You ever heard of an album called Rumours and other numerous best selling FM albums which Lindsey was a MAJOR part of? Gravy train isn't stopping anytime soon for the Buckinghams. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Exactly. As if she was the only one cashing in on the fake romance.

When Stevie finally realized it was all an act, she got her revenge in the only way she could think of. Pathetic.

JohnL

08-27-2018, 07:12 PM

Exactly. As if she was the only one cashing in on the fake romance.

When Stevie finally realized it was all an act, she got her revenge in the only way she could think of. Pathetic.

Seems like you are conveniently forgetting that it was Stevie that broke up with Lindsey and has turned him down at pretty much every corner for the last 40 years. But go ahead and rewrite history.

button-lip

08-27-2018, 07:17 PM

Seems like you are conveniently forgetting that it was Stevie that broke up with Lindsey and has turned him down at pretty much every corner for the last 40 years. But go ahead and rewrite history.

Haha! Really?! She was the one who said to Lindsey during the Unleashed tour that they needed to act their relationship on stage. And she even mentioned it to the press.

Yes, I'm aware she dumped him. And then she was jealous of his relationship with Carol Ann and told her she will never marry him.
And then she said she was the only one who always loved him for the right reasons. And then she got him fired. End of the story.

JohnL

08-27-2018, 07:19 PM

Haha! Really?! She was the one who said to Lindsey during the Unleashed tour that they needed to act their relationship on stage. And she even mentioned it to the press.

Yes, I'm aware she dumped him. And then she was jealous of his relationship with Carol Ann and told her she will never marry him.
And then she said she was the only one who always loved him for the right reasons. And then she got him fired. End of the story.

And all of this was past tense. Yes I know they acted it out on stage but anyone that knows anything about the band knew it was an act. And that includes Stevie obviously.

David

08-28-2018, 07:00 PM

omg

Stevie IS Miss Havisham!
Also a little Sylvia Browne.

Nathan

08-29-2018, 12:56 AM

Also a little Sylvia Browne.

With a heavy dash of Norma Desmond.

jbrownsjr

08-29-2018, 08:44 AM

Also a little Sylvia Browne.

This made me laugh. I haven't thought about her in years. :lol:

jwd

08-29-2018, 06:26 PM

omg

Stevie IS Miss Havisham!

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/nOe7ntynVp0" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

OMG! I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT!!! :laugh:

Nathan

08-29-2018, 10:06 PM

bombaysaffires

08-29-2018, 11:17 PM

now that y'all mention it, Stevie does have a thing for stories where women burn places down, and themselves with it.

The Wide Sargasso Sea has something very similar-- "she burned his house down" "They never found her" because in the story she sets the house on fire and herself with it.

Yowza. The opening few seconds of the clip above are very reminiscent of the opening part of the Gyspy video. And the chick walking around her in her long white dress is very like Stevie in the If Anyone Falls video.....

Tango

08-30-2018, 10:09 AM

jwd

08-30-2018, 05:09 PM

Holy cow, what a scene. ��

I know, I was a little startled when I saw it. It's intense and quite sad. I've wondered how Stevie is going to end up at "the end of the road". What will her perspective be on the life she has lived? She's going to dance around her apartment for the next ten years, then what? It will be interesting to see.

jwd

08-30-2018, 05:11 PM

This post from a few years ago fits in perfectly (in fact, the whole video of "Everyday" from Trouble in Shangri-La) with "Great Expectations" and Stevie as Miss Havisham:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpost.php?p=867888&postcount=2

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c298/LiamMcConville/Everyday/EverydayShot37.jpg

YES, Stevie and her trail of dead men!! :laugh:

jwd

08-30-2018, 05:17 PM

now that y'all mention it, Stevie does have a thing for stories where women burn places down, and themselves with it.

The Wide Sargasso Sea has something very similar-- "she burned his house down" "They never found her" because in the story she sets the house on fire and herself with it.

Yowza. The opening few seconds of the clip above are very reminiscent of the opening part of the Gyspy video. And the chick walking around her in her long white dress is very like Stevie in the If Anyone Falls video.....

Oh yeah, nice catch. Forgot all about that song. Got to listen to that one again because I don't recall the story line. Why did she do it? I'm pretty sure there is a movie with the same title that she wrote the song about?

jwd

08-30-2018, 05:26 PM

By the way I love that video and song, and of course TISL!

sue

08-30-2018, 05:34 PM

Oh yeah, nice catch. Forgot all about that song. Got to listen to that one again because I don't recall the story line. Why did she do it? I'm pretty sure there is a movie with the same title that she wrote the song about?

Wide Sargasso Sea is a book ...by Jean Rhys...it’s a prequel to Jane Eyre.
I think it explains how Rochester married his mad wife (in the attic)
and the reasons for her burning down his house.

jwd

08-30-2018, 05:56 PM

Wide Sargasso Sea is a book ...by Jean Rhys...it’s a prequel to Jane Eyre.
I think it explains how Rochester married his mad wife (in the attic)
and the reasons for her burning down his house.

Ah ok, thanks. Married his mad wife in the attic? This has Stevie written all over it. :laugh::

sue

08-30-2018, 06:20 PM

Ah ok, thanks. Married his mad wife in the attic? This has Stevie written all over it. :laugh::

NB: Attic not basement...:)

jwd

08-30-2018, 06:39 PM

NB: Attic not basement...:)

Haha, you got me! :laugh: