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BLY

04-25-2014, 01:58 PM

Dave is definitely working on something big and it is being kept under wraps...

I've been following Dave on twitter since he started tweeting about working with Stevie on what would become "IYD" and he is always tweeting about what he is doing but this past week there has been a total avoidance from Dave with what he is doing not to mention the fact that people that know Stevie ( Michelle Branch) have been at Blackbird and no one is saying anything which leads me to believe this is indeed FM related...Now if it was Stevie's call or solo related I would think she would let Dave tweet like he did with "IYD" I get the feeling the secrecy surrounding what is going on in Nashville is coming from the FM camp...

I agree. I do think that Dave is going to be very much involved in ths MAC project. Mick was very much involved with Stevie and Dave during the making of IYD and Lindsey came in for SA. Lindsey knows what a great experience it was for Stevie and he going to do what he can to make this a "fun" experience. Many songs to me on IYD sounded and could have been great MAC songs. Her voice (IMO) sounded the best it has in years on a record. Dave did a fantastic job on all fronts.

louielouie2000

04-25-2014, 02:54 PM

I know you know this, but since Stevie has been working with her voice coach since 1997, her voice has naturally improved over the years.Dave has nothing to do with her technique.

I tend to disagree. I think Stevie's live vocals have continued to deteriorate over the years, but I truly think Dave coaxed some great recorded vocals out of her. I think he challenged her in a positive way, and it shows. Stevie doesn't seem to react well to Lindsey's more confrentational challenges, for instance. Since Stevie's vocal coach has arrived on the scene, Stevie's vocals have tended to be more forced sounding. Look at how softly & beautifully Stevie sings at the beginning of New Orleans, for instance. I fully credit Dave for bringing out such nuances.

Just compare Stevie's vocals on Trouble In Shangri-La to In Your Dreams, too. The TISL vocals sound lazy & unispired in comparison. Maybe that's because Stevie & Sheryl were stoned out of their gourds for the majority of that album, I don't know. But there's more determination & passion behind Stevie's In Your Dreams vocals by a mile.

Dodfather

04-25-2014, 03:47 PM

I think you are absolutely right. I rewatched Destiny Rules last night, and that's exactly what she did for Say You Will, too. The rest of the band was recording Lindsey's and some of Stevie's older songs, meanwhile Stevie was off recording her own demos outside of Fleetwood Mac to bring some fresh product to the band. Stevie reiterates this multiple times when the documentary is starting. She even insists on playing her own demos to the Warner Bros executives first vs Lindsey's complete Fleetwood Mac tunes. :laugh:

So it's my strong feeling that Stevie is simply getting some fresh product ready to bring to Fleetwood Mac. That's why Dave said he was working with Stevie on a new Fleetwood Mac project and not album. She may detest recording with Lindsey, but I don't think she'd avoid it, either. Also, another thing watching Destiny Rules again last night taught me: it seems like the big issue with Say You Will wasn't necessarily the recording process being unpleasant. Stevie & Lindsey actually seemed to get along great for the most part. The big, ugly battle was choosing the tracking order. I kind of doubt that'll be an issue this time around, given Christine's presence.

Aaaaannndddd,... breathe. You can always count on louie to bring the Sense :)

Kubrick2788

04-25-2014, 05:20 PM

BlueDenimLamp

04-25-2014, 05:36 PM

Curious to know if all these friends of Stevie's are going to be on her finished tracks...can't imagine FM wants Michelle Branch as a guest vocalist on their (final?!?!) album. Whatever. I'll buy it anyway...whenever it actually comes out. Hoping for a more Tusk vibe. Then it won't matter what the hell she leaves Nashville with. Though another solo album along the lines of IYD wouldn't be too bad.

Don't worry Michelle is just visiting...She is still working on her next record and is in Nashville from time to time and she may still have a house there but I'm not sure of that...

Speaking of which I wonder if Reese still has the condo and if so Stevie & company could be staying there after all it would be "Cheaper Than Free"...

Sorry but the "Tusk" days are long gone and I don't think FM will be taking any risks this time like they did with Tusk...

BlueDenimLamp

04-25-2014, 06:55 PM

http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r663/Nicksiannation/CM_zps6c43e206.png

Well I managed to find the Instagram from the girl that received the Christine McVie autograph in Nashville http://instagram.com/p/m8hjDgNSKR/

elle

04-25-2014, 07:19 PM

Don't worry Michelle is just visiting...She is still working on her next record and is in Nashville from time to time and she may still have a house there but I'm not sure of that...

Speaking of which I wonder if Reese still has the condo and if so Stevie & company could be staying there after all it would be "Cheaper Than Free"...

Sorry but the "Tusk" days are long gone and I don't think FM will be taking any risks this time like they did with Tusk...

i think they have all the freedom to take all the risks they want these days, nobody really cares about their new album except highly dedicated fans...

but i also think that you are very right and they will not be taking any risks. i think after Tusk and Say You Will Lindsey is sick and tired of getting all the crap for any veering off the safe FM sound, and he'll just take it easy on this band album... and i actually hate it that it seems now with all this prolonging he seems to have been sucked back into being the main producer of the album again. he was clearly planning Froom to do the job. :shrug:

michelej1

04-25-2014, 07:28 PM

and i actually hate it that it seems now with all this prolonging he seems to have been sucked back into being the main producer of the album again. he was clearly planning Froom to do the job. :shrug:

he was clearly planning Froom to do the job. :shrug:

He was planning on Froom to do the job if it was just him and Stevie and that was to accommodate Stevie. I don't think anyone had to suck him very hard to have him produce FM again. It's just like they "twisted his arm" to do Tango, but it was always inevitable that he would produce that. No question. There's been a lot of outside producer talk since SYW ended, but his first inclination and desire is to produce, in my view. He enjoys the frustration and wants to do it. He only would not do it if he knows that's what it takes to get an album done.

Michele

Kubrick2788

04-25-2014, 07:34 PM

I'd love for Lindsey to take a back seat. At least then I won't worry that Christine and Stevie's songs are full of sped up voices, grunts, and whispers. ;)

michelej1

04-25-2014, 07:37 PM

I'd love for Lindsey to take a back seat. At least then I won't worry that Christine and Stevie's songs are full of sped up voices, grunts, and whispers. ;)

Grunts and whispers. That was going to be Ingmar Berman's last film :distress: .

Your description reminds me of the first time I heard Time Bomb Town and I thought, "Oh, there's my guy. That's his thumb print. He hasn't changed a bit. I've missed this so much."

Michele

elle

04-25-2014, 07:40 PM

I'd love for Lindsey to take a back seat. At least then I won't worry that Christine and Stevie's songs are full of sped up voices, grunts, and whispers. ;)

i think sped up voices is the only thing you wouldn''t have to worry about in that case. grunts and whispers may be unavoidable. :laugh: :p

michelej1

04-25-2014, 07:43 PM

i think sped up voices is the only thing you wouldn''t have to worry about in that case. grunts and whispers may be unavoidable. :laugh: :p

I would think that Lindsey will trade vocals on one of Christine's songs, for old time's sake and he'll speed up his own vocal on that, even if he doesn't do anything to hers. My prediction.

You know, whispering on its own is great, but when he substitutes whisper croaking for singing, that's when I can't stand it. I wanted to throw my Elizabethtown soundtrack out of the window.

Michele

BlueDenimLamp

04-25-2014, 09:48 PM

elle

04-25-2014, 10:03 PM

Even more interesting is the fact that country music fans know Stevie is in Nashville and are wondering if she will be at the Lady Antebellum show...I
yup, Stevie should join Lady Antebellum, Lindsey should join NIN, and Stevie and Lindsey fans could all be happy not having to deal with the kind of music they couldn't care about less. :D

Macfanforever

04-25-2014, 10:19 PM

There's a bit of talk on twitter as to whether Stevie will show up at the Lady Antebellum show in Knoxville on Sunday...Even more interesting is the fact that country music fans know Stevie is in Nashville and are wondering if she will be at the Lady Antebellum show...I guess she made quite an impact at the ACM's...

That would be nice.Maybe Lady A could invite Stevie on the Grand Ole Opry one night.I got the show streaming now.

Lady A could open for FM if they start the show at 6:30PM local time for they wont cut into FM's music time.:sorry: and :shocked:

yup, Stevie should join Lady Antebellum, Lindsey should join NIN, and Stevie and Lindsey fans could all be happy not having to deal with the kind of music they couldn't care about less. :D

Johnny Cash did an awesome cover of NIN's Hurt.I do like some of NIN tunes.:shocked:

elle

04-25-2014, 10:24 PM

Johnny Cash did an awesome cover of NIN's Hurt.I do like some of NIN tunes.:shocked:
yeah Hurt is a great song.

as for your Lady A / FM combo suggestion, i'm looking for the throwup emoticon. luckily, we know that particular pairing will never happen.

vivfox

04-25-2014, 10:31 PM

Macfanforever

04-25-2014, 10:43 PM

yeah Hurt is a great song.

as for your Lady A / FM combo suggestion, i'm looking for the throwup emoticon. luckily, we know that particular pairing will never happen.

Hahahahahaha.Don't do it on your keyboard or Ipad.
Yes I dont want any openers for FM to come think about it.

Macfanforever

04-25-2014, 10:52 PM

Christine was in LA when they recently had a minor quake and now she is in Nashville where there may be tornadoes ravaging the surrounding areas. Big storms are predicted for this area starting on Sundae. I hope she won't take this as a bad sign from the Heavens.

Yes they do have those there.They should call Trod Nossel Studios here in town and do some tracks.Its still here and open .The weather is cool and rainy and like UK weather.Poor Stevie and Lindsey probably freeze here.

I can pop in at the studio and say hi since its only about 2 miles from from my house.

nicole21290

04-25-2014, 11:53 PM

yup, Stevie should join Lady Antebellum, Lindsey should join NIN, and Stevie and Lindsey fans could all be happy not having to deal with the kind of music they couldn't care about less. :D

ALL be happy?! Unless you LIKE and even LOVE both Stevie solo, Lindsey solo, Stevie and Lindsey together, Stevie w/ Lady A, Lady A solo, Lindsey w/ NIN, NIN solo, and Fleetwood Mac together... #widerpalateoftastesapparently

Besides, Lady A was just a temp. job for her. She knows where she belongs, lol.

“The dream was very short. And the dream was actually very fun. But I just want to clarify that so that when my other half hears this, he doesn’t get all pissed off, because it wasn’t that kind of a dream. We were just having our usual little disagreement, because that’s what we do. And I laughingly said to him, ‘Well, fine. I’ll just go join Lady Antebellum.’ And then the dream ended, and I sat up, and there it was." (SN)

bombaysaffires

04-26-2014, 12:54 AM

ALL be happy?! Unless you LIKE and even LOVE both Stevie solo, Lindsey solo, Stevie and Lindsey together, Stevie w/ Lady A, Lady A solo, Lindsey w/ NIN, NIN solo, and Fleetwood Mac together... #widerpalateoftastesapparently

Besides, Lady A was just a temp. job for her. She knows where she belongs, lol.

“The dream was very short. And the dream was actually very fun. But I just want to clarify that so that when my other half hears this, he doesn’t get all pissed off, because it wasn’t that kind of a dream. We were just having our usual little disagreement, because that’s what we do. And I laughingly said to him, ‘Well, fine. I’ll just go join Lady Antebellum.’ And then the dream ended, and I sat up, and there it was." (SN)

Did she actually say this about Lindsey?? oh myyy.

bombaysaffires

04-26-2014, 01:03 AM

Speaking of which I wonder if Reese still has the condo and if so Stevie & company could be staying there after all it would be "Cheaper Than Free"...

C'mon now, you know Stevie ain't staying in no condo… she's in the nearest 5 star presidential suite "Because I demand it" ;)

sparky

04-26-2014, 05:19 AM

I don't think anyone had to suck him very hard to have him produce FM again.
Michele

This is a delightfully graphic and unexpected image for you to present.

But on any imaginable level it is also so hideous that I must banish it from my mind if I ever hope to be aroused again. The combination of Lindsey's withered flanks and the smoke wrinkled and dry mouths of any FM members in combination is enough to make even James Franco or Sasha Grey swear off sexual activity for life. Or, you know, pick your favorite movie and porn stars to plug into that sentence. Same difference. It is a boner killer of epic magnitude.

On another note, all this FM drama is so TIRESOME. It doesn't matter if it is the Nashville "mystery" or the "who is producing" mystery or the "do Stevie and Lindsey get along" mythology. It is all manufactured by the band. And it all plays into the original Rumours drama that they all believe fuels the enduring interest in the group. It was all fascinating when People magazine covered it in the 70's and the sexual revolution was going on. That was when people were smoking "lids" and everyone was passed out in bean bags listening to music on headphones and puka shells were sexy. It was a stinky, dreamy, idyllic romantic pre-AIDS world with a Woodstock hangover.

Which is pretty much what the band has been trading on, media wise, ever since. And don't think for one minute that all their interviews aren't for the most part canned. Publicists tell those interviewers what they can and cannot ask. The only one who is ever somewhat candid is Stevie, and as nuts as we all know she is, she tells the same stories over and over and over and over and over. Why do you think everyone craps their drawers when she mentions a detail about a car with a broken transmission?

I find it sad that this band has been caught up in their own personal drama for so long that they haven't managed to make any decent music since 1982. They have a glimmer here and there, but as I look back, it is a sad state of affairs. They are such an immature pile of sods. The pile mostly consisting of Lindsey and Stevie.

As a mature functioning adult, I cannot romanticize their crap. All they talk about is each other in the press. It is hard to separate the publicistspeak from the codependent childish masturbatory fetishism of their own conflicts. Do people really care anymore? It has been almost 40 YEARS. It isn't romantic, folks. It is pathetic. Does anyone reading this still obsess over and talk and write about a relationship that is even over 5 years dead? 10 years? Beyond that? Really? Exactly how humiliated does that make you feel?

I think about my own job and life, and frankly, I don't like drama. I don't encourage it in my world anymore. It was fun until 30. But now I cut it out like a tumor. That is a sign of maturity and adulthood. And regardless of the reality of their lives, those two talk about their drama and conflict non stop. The conceit being that the conflict creates "great art." Yeah, maybe if you are living with it. Sleeping with it. But not if you are making love to your own grief for over 3 decades. Then it is just a little sad and a whole lot gruesome. Grow the hell up already. I think that is one reason most of their songs have no real gravity anymore and no marked resonance with the public. It is just incest and scrapbook navel gazing. Why do you think Stevie keeps raiding the "vault"?

Around 1983 I thought it was kind of cute that those two were still obsessing about their "great romance" and writing songs about each other. About 1997 I found it quite curious. 17 years later I find it morbid.

So with the drama, faked or not, still going on with those two, I don't care a bit about a new album. I wish Lindsey would write a good song about his wife. Or his aging. Or about the real reason he hates Stevie - that she became the huge star and focal point of the band he worked so hard on. Funny how that never comes up in the interviews. It is the most obvious thing in the world. She is the icon. She is the one everyone writes about. She will be the most remembered. Not him. How about writing or talking about that difficult truth? That could be great art.

On the flip side, how about Stevie do the same? Face that core conflict and write about it? There isn't much truth with those two. Just smoke and mirrors. At 48 I can't stand having people in my own daily life who can't face and talk about the truth head on. So I certainly can't cotton to it in pop stars. I expect more.

Maybe Christine will bring some balance to the staged shi*tshow. I am not holding my breath. Sorry to say it, but the whole Mac thing has really run out of steam for me. Same old ad copy that was used in a Rolling Stone random notes mention in the early 80's. I wish these people would say something new. Do something new. Write about something new.

But kudos to Michele for that astonishingly heinous sexual image.

nicole21290

04-26-2014, 05:42 AM

Did she actually say this about Lindsey?? oh myyy.

She absolutely did! :D

The reporter/editor made a few helpful additions to the text so we wouldn't get 'confused' so I just grabbed out what she ACTUALLY said. THIS is what the original article said. Tres amusing... ;)

And this particular coupling was Nicks’ own idea, coming out of a dream she had where she was cheating on Lindsey Buckingham, musically speaking. “The dream was very short,” Nicks says. “And the dream was actually very fun. But I just want to clarify that so that when my other half hears this” (by “other half,” she means her professional partner Buckingham), “he doesn’t get all pissed off, because it wasn’t that kind of a dream. We were just having our usual little disagreement [in the dream], because that’s what we do. And I laughingly said to him, ‘Well, fine. I’ll just go join Lady Antebellum.’ And then the dream ended, and I sat up, and there it was.”

source: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/stevie-nicks-lady-antebellum-come-629040

brickney723

04-26-2014, 06:14 AM

Around 1983 I thought it was kind of cute that those two were still obsessing about their "great romance" and writing songs about each other. About 1997 I found it quite curious. 17 years later I find it morbid.

Maybe it's just partially because I'm female and younger than you.. but I think this element is the most romantic thing EVER. True love never dies! Keep on making those artistic statements, Lindsey.. and keep writing about what's in your heart, both. As an artist, not doing that would be the manufactured and fake thing.

elle

04-26-2014, 09:46 AM

I wish Lindsey would write a good song about his wife. Or his aging. Or about the real reason he hates Stevie - that she became the huge star and focal point of the band he worked so hard on. Funny how that never comes up in the interviews. It is the most obvious thing in the world. She is the icon. She is the one everyone writes about. She will be the most remembered. Not him. How about writing or talking about that difficult truth? That could be great art.
see i used to wonder about exactly what you worded here when i first got sucked into (man you just killed using this word for me! :laugh: :xoxo:) LB's music. also, why not write age-appropriate songs, instead of being stuck in teenage years all your life. i think he moved somewhat into that territory with his later work though, and it's refreshing when it pops up.

he likes to think of himself as some kind of noble martyr, and exposing this ugly naked raw human truth the way you so bluntly put it would certainly not fit the bill. doesn't it sound much better and more romantic if he instead projects that he selflessly loved the woman who dumped and used him while he did everything for her? ;) instead of saying i'm a bitter angry and jealous man because i did everything while she collected all the fruits of that labor and i cannot get out of that rut? although he does say that somewhat less bluntly in some of his songs - both early angry ones and later more contemplative ones... of course the way he says it (especially in the more recent songs), it can be interpreted either way, which you can say is the way to write poetry anyway - so everybody can interpret it the way it fits their views and needs. that's where you have this never-ending discussions between someone who sees glimpses of that career dissatisfaction sprinkled in many many songs of his, while romantics will see just eternal love and longing for one woman in those same lyrics. Not Too Late gets pretty clear about how he felt about his career.

for me, Cast Away Dreams is very much so too, about being on the crossroads of letting all that ambition finally go (and for eternal love romantics it's just another song about SN).

at some point he must have finally decided that all that anger and bitterness and jealousy and dissatisfaction is not healthy (to put it mildly!), and he slowly got over all that, with lots of therapy, yoga, meditation, who knows what. and that's why now you have It Takes Time and lyrics like, maybe i wasted all this time trying to prove what's yours and what's mine (ie i forever tried to get the credit for all the work i've done for you)... but really, i did do all that work for you (whether to prove how good i am, or just because i could "raise to be my better self"). of course, romantics will take these "all for you" lyrics as the ultimate proof that eternal love exists and this man is that rare breed of selflessly forever loving one-woman man. :shrug:

Sad Angel and Miss Fantasy lyrics are pretty blunt and clear too - basically saying - you are the star of the show, hey come on over and join us, get over any disagreements, lets make more money :laugh: (crowd calling out for more, on with the show).

elle

04-26-2014, 10:31 AM

I don't think anyone had to suck him very hard to have him produce FM again.

This is a delightfully graphic and unexpected image for you to present.

:lol::lol: if i remember correctly, he was very clear that he prefers oral sex to cheese, in a recent interview. :D

nicole21290

04-26-2014, 11:01 AM

he likes to think of himself as some kind of noble martyr, and exposing this ugly naked raw human truth the way you so bluntly put it would certainly not fit the bill. doesn't it sound much better and more romantic if he instead projects that he selflessly loved the woman who dumped and used him while he did everything for her? instead of saying i'm a bitter angry and jealous man because i did everything while she collected all the fruits of that labor and i cannot get out of that rut?

Yes, as Stevie said, he'll hang himself up on a cross to make a point, lol. I mean, OF COURSE he'll emphasise the ways in which he's cared for her and tried to do the right thing for her even thought he'd been dumped. And she'll emphasise the ways she cared for him. It's a natural instinct. I also think some of the bitterness/anger people talk about that they think Lindsey went through comes from a slightly different source - I think that some of it is more resentment at that fame pulling her away from him, rather than fame coming to her in a more general way MORE than him. *shrugs*

although he does say that somewhat less bluntly in some of his songs - both early angry ones and later more contemplative ones... of course the way he says it (especially in the more recent songs), it can be interpreted either way, which you can say is the way to write poetry anyway - so everybody can interpret it the way it fits their views and needs. that's where you have this never-ending discussions between someone who sees glimpses of that career dissatisfaction sprinkled in many many songs of his, while romantics will see just eternal love and longing for one woman in those same lyrics. Not Too Late gets pretty clear about how he felt about his career.

Ah, yes. Or one can see some kind of dissatisfaction with a career, songs with a tinge of politics, talk of learning to prioritise as well as eternal love and longing for one woman. Often his songs combine more than one thing, I would say. Even something like Peacekeeper which is fairly overtly political in many ways has relational elements to it and he's talked about writing that one in terms of considering the impact of things on a married couple. Yes, Not Too Late DOES say that. And then things like Show You How combine elements of the career and relationship and show the impact one has on the other. And I LOVE that.

for me, Cast Away Dreams is very much so too, about being on the crossroads of letting all that ambition finally go (and for eternal love romantics it's just another song about SN).

So, when he talks about CAD dealing with "wanting to prioritize properly and, in order to do that, they’re feeling like they pretty much have to give up on their muse" and then you read lyrics about his faith being gone, and addressing a 'magic one', and plans changing, and HEARTS BREAKING because of choices they have to make, what on earth do you imagine he's talking about? When he tells that person to sleep and dream of him, what the hell does that have to do with being on the crossroads of letting that 'ambition' go?Does it really not strike you as rather more 'personal' than 'professional', what he's giving up!? Also, 'eternal love romantics' are perfectly capable of also reading things like career discussion and politics and general philosophies of life into his lyrics, just so you're aware. Just as I would never say all Stevie's songs are about Lindsey, so I'd never say all his songs are about her.

at some point he must have finally decided that all that anger and bitterness and jealousy and dissatisfaction is not healthy (to put it mildly!), and he slowly got over all that, with lots of therapy, yoga, meditation, who knows what. and that's why now you have It Takes Time and lyrics like, maybe i wasted all this time trying to prove what's yours and what's mine (ie i forever tried to get the credit for all the work i've done for you)... but really, i did do all that work for you (whether to prove how good i am, or just because i could "raise to be my better self"). of course, romantics will take these "all for you" lyrics as the ultimate proof that eternal love exists and this man is that rare breed of selflessly forever loving one-woman man.

By the way, I suggest if you want to analyse Lindsey's lyrics that you have them down correctly first or said analysis is a little more difficult...

"Maybe I’ve just wasted all this precious time / I tried to prove what is and isn’t mine
Wondering to myself / If you knew it was all for you"

Yes, that part of the song can very easily be read in the way you suggest but I don't really think it fits either with the reality of how he's talked about things before (he's talked about 'proving' things to each OTHER in a more personal context than this), or with the rest of the song's lyrical content. The 'all for you' COULD be professional but I really do think it's more personal, to be honest, and I know you'll think that's just because I'm wearing my usual BN 'shipping' hat. That's fine. This is all just my opinion, naturally.

Can I ask how you would explain THESE lyrics from ITT then? I'd be interested in your POV, tbh, considering how you view the rest of the song. It has overlapping lyrical content with both Show You How and In Our Own Time and seems VERY personal. Who is being addressed?

"Slow down, baby
Cross that line
If you want to save me
It takes time"

And I don't view this song as any kind of ultimate proof. I DO think that that kind of love exists though, even if it morphs throughout a lifetime. And I do think he has been selfless on many occasions when it comes to Stevie - because he loved, and ultimately, loves her. I don't mind saying that.

Sad Angel and Miss Fantasy lyrics are pretty blunt and clear too - basically saying - you are the star of the show, hey come on over and join us, get over any disagreements, lets make more money (crowd calling out for more, on with the show).

REALLY!? You're correct that elements exist in both those songs of a 'professional - c'mon, people want to see you/us onstage! let's go!' angle but there's more. He talked about Sad Angel being written because of Stevie always having to fight, about the difficulty she's had. It's compassionate not just a 'I want $$$ so come record and play live with me!!!'. I mean, Miss Fantasy even starts out on a personal note - he's having ANOTHER dream of her, and he's grieving for Stevie because (we assume it's because of this) she's grieving the loss of her mother. That's not professional. I find his repetition of the 'I remember you' so darling, really, only because of the HUGE emphasis Stevie put on the content of the talk she had with him. She wanted to remind him, to make sure HE remembered how cute they were, how compassionate, how loving, how funny, etc.

How would you explain THESE lyrics in terms of the song being a professional calling card to convince her to come out and play with FM?

"Do you still tremble when I fall?
Will you still answer when I call?
Would you still love to linger up against a wall?"

"You’re the queen of the underground
Never leaving a clue"

And that line above - that doesn't make you think at all? About something other than professionalism? It gives callbacks to other songs, more personal ones like Under The Skin and Love Runs Deeper. And that's the kind of thing that interests me, and I know others too. It's all part of this dialogue which is ongoing. And no, not every song is about Stevie. And not every song is about Lindsey. But she still leaves a personal mark on MANY of his songs, whether they deal with his career, his life, or his dreams. And I love that. With no shame.

elle

04-26-2014, 11:47 AM

Yes, as Stevie said, he'll
see, right there, you lost me. ;)

sorry, you wrote a really nice post but i have to respond to your questions, many of which i feel have been regurgitated over and over, by:
all this FM drama is so TIRESOME.
although i feel that way, i do understand that this drama makes many happy and interested, and i guess that's great, we all get something out of this band, their music, and/or various members.

do i think it's a good thing for LB to advertise himself as a part of the drama couple instead of by the power of his music? no. i'm annoyed by it (and don't have any trouble expressing it to anybody who would listen :laugh:). but apparently he's fine with it. :shrug:

elle

04-26-2014, 12:32 PM

my other half

Did she actually say this about Lindsey?? oh myyy.

right? sounds like a blissful power couple living happily ever after, no? :p

although why still all the angst and longing expressed in songs? :angel:

michelej1

04-26-2014, 12:54 PM

As a mature functioning adult, I cannot romanticize their crap.

I think you can do it if you still think of "real love" like a high school student does, rather than an adult who has actually experienced it.

I think that many of Lindsey's lyrics do deal with middle-aged matters and are not so much about lost love as they are about missed opportunities, the legacy you're leaving behind, the approach of death. I don't think Bel Air Rain, Not Too Late, Flying Down Juniper, One Take, Under the Skin or "End of Time" are the creations of the young man who wrote GYOW, much less Trouble.

Also, I think many of his songs are about more than one thing, not as metaphors about love, but because love is comprised of so much more than just romance or physical yearning at this point. It's about mortality, family, politics, career. The mix and priority of those things jumbled together. No one item or emotion exists in isolation from the other. It does when you're young and have less to concentrate on and it does when you're older and have less activity going on, because life is less diverse. But at its height, when you're pulled in so many different directions at once, I think the feelings you express in word or song usually reflects some or all of them. That's how I take most of Lindsey's lyrics these days.

Why do you think everyone craps their drawers when she mentions a detail about a car with a broken transmission?

I haven't soiled my pants, but if Stevie wants to talk more about the Toyota that would not go in reverse and the complications it caused them when parking (well, I'd think it would interfere with driving in general), then I'm still all ears.

Michele

BlueDenimLamp

04-26-2014, 01:18 PM

Back to Nashville

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Well at least we know Mick's in LA although I would prefer he be with Stevie & Chris...

If anyone is attending see if you can get some information out of Mick...

michelej1

04-26-2014, 01:24 PM

Back to Nashville

Well at least we know Mick's in LA although I would prefer he be with Stevie & Chris...

This is kind of great. I'd like to be there, if I could transport myself there by magic, without driving or anything.

Michele

HelloMonster

04-26-2014, 03:51 PM

I'm here and I've been here forever it feels! (Sorry, bored and impatient :D) anyways, this should be interesting! I'm going to ask him as directly as possible "what is going on in Nashville?"

BlueDenimLamp

04-26-2014, 03:57 PM

I'm here and I've been here forever it feels! (Sorry, bored and impatient :D) anyways, this should be interesting! I'm going to ask him as directly as possible "what is going on in Nashville?"

Just make him think he's the center of attention and he's telling the world a big secret like he did when he let it out that Christine had returned...

Good luck...

HelloMonster

04-26-2014, 04:01 PM

Just make him think he's the center of attention and he's telling the world a big secret like he did when he let it out that Christine had returned...

Good luck...

Haha that shouldn't be hard! I was just talking with someone about how there is supposed to be a brief discussion about the book, but if Micks here the discussion will be anything but brief. I'll try my best to get him talking ;)

michelej1

04-26-2014, 06:40 PM

I'm here and I've been here forever it feels! (Sorry, bored and impatient :D) anyways, this should be interesting! I'm going to ask him as directly as possible "what is going on in Nashville?"

Oh my goodness. I'm so excited to hear what happens and sorry that you have to wait such a looooong time.

Michele

brickney723

04-26-2014, 07:33 PM

I think you can do it if you still think of "real love" like a high school student does, rather than an adult who has actually experienced it.

Michele

humm, I'm not sure what's up with me then- I've had a boyfriend since I was 15.. until I got married at 31- many relationships. I've only been truly in love once. And because I've experienced it, I think that is the reason I know it (like millions of others, apparently) when I see it.

"Anyone who ever loved, could look at me and know that I love you.." -lyric from one of Lindsey's favorite songs. Yep.

michelej1

04-26-2014, 07:39 PM

Kubrick2788

04-26-2014, 07:48 PM

BlueDenimLamp

04-26-2014, 08:05 PM

If Stevie's bringing songs back to L.A. I will hope that My Heart is maybe in there. It popped up in my iTunes the other day and, to me, it would work as a FM track for a new album. Then again, I'm the person crazy enough to want The Dealer on a FM album too. I just think My Heart fits her habit of putting almost only relationship songs on band albums. Hope that Mick spits out some details on the new album!

"My Heart" was a bonus track for "IYD" so I can't see her re-recording it for FM less than 4 years later and I don't think it would be anywhere near as good without the Mike Campbell 12 string guitar parts...

Kubrick2788

04-26-2014, 08:36 PM

Wow, didn't realize that was a bonus from the B&N edition. And I never would've known that since they overcharge like nobody's business. I thought the "demo" version sounded too polished...

BlueDenimLamp

04-26-2014, 08:52 PM

Wow, didn't realize that was a bonus from the B&N edition. And I never would've known that since they overcharge like nobody's business. I thought the "demo" version sounded too polished...

If I remember right it was a pre-order bonus track as well...If you watch "IYD" you can see Mike playing part of "My Heart" right before the "For What It's Worth" chapter...

MikeVielhaber

04-26-2014, 10:12 PM

humm, I'm not sure what's up with me then- I've had a boyfriend since I was 15.. until I got married at 31- many relationships. I've only been truly in love once. And because I've experienced it, I think that is the reason I know it (like millions of others, apparently) when I see it.

"Anyone who ever loved, could look at me and know that I love you.." -lyric from one of Lindsey's favorite songs. Yep.

So because millions eat that stuff up it legitimizes their view that it's "real love"? They do the same stuff at every show. It's a performance. You can't seriously take what they do on stage as a genuine show of emotion when it's replicated night in and night out. Lindsey is happily married. I have no reason to believe his marriage is not "real love".

bombaysaffires

04-26-2014, 11:01 PM

nicole21290

04-26-2014, 11:53 PM

So because millions eat that stuff up it legitimizes their view that it's "real love"? They do the same stuff at every show. It's a performance. You can't seriously take what they do on stage as a genuine show of emotion when it's replicated night in and night out. Lindsey is happily married. I have no reason to believe his marriage is not "real love".

I also believe he's happily married. Can I point out, however, that this idea that they do the same stuff at every show, that it's all a performance, that it's not a genuine show of emotion is slightly ridiculous? Certainly, as someone else mentioned, 'laying on the tears' is a bit much!? People think they're acting CRYING now? You thought their emotions in San Jose and Las Vegas were faked? I'm sorry but they are NOT good actors.

Yes, they often have planned out a fundamental interaction - holding hands as they enter for an encore, hugging at the end of Sara, 'fighting'/'dancing' during Tusk, etc. However, not a single one of these planned, rehearsed interactions stays the same throughout even one tour. It's not like they're checking their watches going 'okay, so we have to hug for exactly 2.5 seconds, then I'll smile at her' or 'let me close my eyes and burrow into her neck after sniffing her hair for three seconds' - that'll fool those gullible shippers into thinking we have more than a purely platonic business relationship these days. There is a LOT of variation in, say, the Sara hug - they didn't even start out hugging on this tour for quite some time. In 2009 it began with a hug on her part and he ended up putting both arms around her by the end. I managed to create a 12 minute video JUST of different Sara embraces, for goodness' sake. These things evolve. And yes, OF COURSE, it's for the audience. And I think also for themselves. As Stevie said last year, the audience loves it when he touches her, and so does SHE.

Just because a planned general action is incorporated into a live show also doesn't negate the possibility of ACTUAL emotion behind it, either, btw. Saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it LESS true, for example. Or MORE true, as the case may be. Maybe I am blind but I don't think so. When I look at hundreds of videos from last tour (and I have - combing through them for my favourite SnL moments), and when I look at over 500 pictures of them from last tour, I don't see overly rehearsed, tired unemotional interaction. There's variation in every Landslide and Sara interaction, every WY introduction is different, they didn't always do a full hug after Say Goodbye, etc. And I don't think they're good enough actors to pull off the way they look at each other, sorry, though of course 'looks' are widely subjective and open to interpretation and that's cool.

And I don't think anyone is saying that seeing one pre-planned Sara hug makes them believe SnL are still in love - it's a cumulative effect, combined with the way they still talk about each other and the songs they write, most often. Neither Stevie NOR Lindsey are trying to pull the wool over anybody's eyes on this particular matter. Lindsey's talked about it being rehearsed, Stevie's talked about it being faked (though apparently not so much on the last tour, amusingly enough, considering it was WAY more interactive and affectionate than Unleashed overall, I would say). For crying out loud, THIS was a report from a big article written on Stevie which she praised to high heaven:

At rehearsal, Nicks and Buckingham’s banter lit up with hard-won playfulness as they tried to work out their positioning on the stage. After “Landslide”—which Stevie wrote about Lindsey, just before joining Fleetwood Mac, as she contemplated leaving music behind entirely when their duo, Buckingham Nicks, was dropped from its label—Lindsey remarked: “I feel weird standing behind her. I don’t want to stand too close.” Stevie fired back, teasingly: “I don’t know. I have stood next to you playing guitar for how many years?”

To perform “Gypsy,” Nicks suggested, “I’m just going to basically stand sideways because I know you can’t turn.”

Buckingham: You’re stalking me.

Nicks: I’m stalking you on this one.

Buckingham: All I can do is angle toward you. I gotta look at the neck.

Nicks: Just remember to look over at me every once in a while so I don’t look like an idiot.

Buckingham: I just need to eye the neck of the guitar and then look over at your neck. Go from neck to neck.

Nicks: My wrinkly neck.

Buckingham: Oh, stop it.

OF COURSE some things are planned and choreographed - it's a SHOW. But it doesn't make the emotion between them 'fake' and I don't think they're trying to 'fool' us apparently gullible idiots who still 'ship' them. Lindsey was clear enough on the matter of roleplaying versus reality in interviews last year, after all. And once again, I'll just say - they're TERRIBLE ACTORS.

Iktomi

04-27-2014, 06:56 AM

OF COURSE some things are planned and choreographed - it's a SHOW. But it doesn't make the emotion between them 'fake' and I don't think they're trying to 'fool' us apparently gullible idiots who still 'ship' them. Lindsey was clear enough on the matter of roleplaying versus reality in interviews last year, after all. And once again, I'll just say - they're TERRIBLE ACTORS.

@Nicole21290

If you don't mind me asking, but what do you mean by 'ship'? Like do you ship LB and SN romantically? I'm just super curious by that. I see people do that with television show characters, but with real, living people who run their own lives? How does that work and why?

I mean, I always wanted Levon Helm and Robbie Robertson to make amends (not that I was really emotionally invested in it). And it didn't quite happen the way I hoped it would, but it wasn't really about any personal desire of mine so much as hoping that they'd find some sort of peace, just as two humans with a meaningful history together. Which is a bit similar to my feelings with LB, SN and co., but I don't know if this LB/SN shipping business is quite the same thing...

nicole21290

04-27-2014, 07:14 AM

@Nicole21290

If you don't mind me asking, but what do you mean by 'ship'? Like do you ship LB and SN romantically? I'm just super curious by that. I see people do that with television show characters, but with real, living people who run their own lives? How does that work and why?

I mean, I always wanted Levon Helm and Robbie Robertson to make amends (not that I was really emotionally invested in it). And it didn't quite happen the way I hoped it would, but it wasn't really about any personal desire of mine so much as hoping that they'd find some sort of peace, just as two humans with a meaningful history together. Which is a bit similar to my feelings with LB, SN and co., but I don't know if this LB/SN shipping business is quite the same thing...

It's a term I'm not particularly fond of using myself when it comes to SnL but others use it with abandon so... Basically, when it comes to SnL, as with everything else, so-called 'shippers' aren't one big homogenous group. It seems to generally refer in this case to people who are invested in the idea of their personal relationship (beyond just friendship) and particularly those who still have a desire to examine and understand what the hell that's all about. It doesn't necessarily mean a person who screams when they see SnL hold hands, or a person who reads eternal love for the other in every one of their songs. It doesn't mean a person who insults Lindsey's wife and weeps at the overwrought tragic circumstances that apparently keep SnL apart.

Sometimes I think it's used dismissively towards fans of the SnL relationship (which is how *I* like to phrase it), to gently mock or chide for perceived gullibility. From what I can tell, it's used most of the time for people who are interested in their past relationship, see something more than a friendship/professional r'ship (usually romantic, but not always) between SnL, and/or who want there to be that now or at some point in the future.

I think shipping is slightly different to what you're describing (which is how I generally felt about Lennon/McCartney but with MUCH more emotional investment, lol) but it does incorporate what you're talking about. And apologies because I probably just explained that in a way which made it even more complicated than is helpful or it needed to be, lol.

For me, I use the word 'shipping' because others do, and it's something of a linguistic shortcut that I can employ without using awkward statements like 'I am intrigued by the idea that there is more than friendship between SnL, and have a strange desire that they rekindle some kind of emotional and/or romantic involvement at some point in the future. Oh, and I see what I believe is evidence of that 'more than' currently.' ;)

xoxo

michelej1

04-27-2014, 12:16 PM

drag00n

04-27-2014, 12:27 PM

elle

04-27-2014, 12:35 PM

BlueDenimLamp

04-27-2014, 12:44 PM

Here's a simple question or maybe not so much simple.... and possibly 2 questions...

What do you all think would have happened if Stevie Nicks had left FM in 1998 instead of Christine McVie? Would the "perfect" version of FM have been as successful or even still relevant ?

And....

So hypothetically... if Stevie went country and solo.... what do you think would happen to FM ticket sales...... ?

And a bonus 3rd question....

Which EP / LP / CD would get the biggest pop? A Stevie-less FM or Stevie Rocks Country ?

Just seriously curious.....:shrug:

The answer to all your questions is simple...From a visibility and promotional standpoint if Stevie leaves they will loose a large chunk of their fan base...Casual fans may have not have noticed that Christine was gone but rest assured people will notice Stevie's absence...From an artistic point Stevie being gone will probably have little impact on Lindsey & Christine's songs with the real question being will people buy a FM record with out Stevie on it...I don't think Stevie will go all out "Country" although there may be a few countryish songs which would be nothing new for her...

BlueDenimLamp

04-27-2014, 12:46 PM

all the more reason for them to release both simultaneously so we can see and don't need to speculate. :D

SN is touring with FM. FM tours are where the cash is. so that part is a moot point. the only question is about the album.

Are you suggesting a contest??? GAME ON!!!

elle

04-27-2014, 12:51 PM

Are you suggesting a contest??? GAME ON!!!

:lol: anything to get that FM album finally out! :angel:

elle

04-27-2014, 02:21 PM

Are you suggesting a contest??? GAME ON!!!

you know, (and i know that's not you and i really appreciate your candidness and contributions to discussions :thumbsup:) but i'm looking at the votes against FM album coming out without SN's contributions and seeing so many SN-solo fans (many of whom freely admit they can't care less about FM) quietly voting that FM should wait for her... and i have to wonder - why is that?

are they afraid it will show FM as viable without her??

:p

Johnny Stew

04-27-2014, 02:30 PM

you know, (and i know that's not you and i really appreciate your candidness and contributions to discussions :thumbsup:) but i'm looking at the votes against FM album coming out without SN's contributions and seeing so many SN-solo fans (many of whom freely admit they can't care less about FM) quietly voting that FM should wait for her... and i have to wonder - why is that?

are they afraid it will show FM as viable without her??

:p

So far, 13 people have voted to wait for Stevie. Of those on that list that I recognize to be mainly Stevie fans, have any of them ever posted on here that they couldn't care less about Fleetwood Mac?

There are a lot of people who are mainly fans of one member or another, yet still enjoy when the band makes music together. You should be well aware of that, Elle!

As for your last sentence... that just sounds like fan-baiting. ;)

elle

04-27-2014, 02:34 PM

As for your last sentence... that just sounds like fan-baiting. ;)

no, i am really curious.

yes, many people are fans of the band first, or all the members. i understand their reasoning, and most of them have expressed it. i would expect Gerald, for example, to say he wants all 5 because he's been consistently saying that (he hasn't voted yet).

you expressed your reasoning, too, although i still don't get why wouldn't you want 3 albums instead of 2.

but some people that voted there are SN-only fans, and they don't have a problem saying that, the same as i don't have a problem saying i'm really a LB fan, whether with the band or solo. so, if you tell me you have no interest in FM album without SN, why do you care whether it's out or not?

Johnny Stew

04-27-2014, 03:12 PM

no, i am really curious.

Nothing wrong with being curious as to the reasoning behind someone's vote, for or against. The implication that Stevie fans are voting a certain way out of fear, however, is the part that sounds like fan-baiting.

Would you be worried that a Lindsey-free album would prove Fleetwood Mac to be viable without him?

yes, many people are fans of the band first, or all the members. i understand their reasoning, and most of them have expressed it.

you did, too, although i still don't get why wouldn't you want 3 albums instead of 2.

Who says we'd get three albums instead of two? No offense meant whatsoever, but that's wishful thinking.

but some people that voted there are SN-only fans, and they don't have a problem saying that, the same as i don't have a problem saying i'm really a LB fan, whether with the band or solo. so, if you tell me you have no interest in FM album without SN, why do you care whether it's out or not?

Let me ask you this -- if Fleetwood Mac had to choose between releasing an album without Lindsey, or waiting just a few months for him to be available, would you prefer they wait or proceed without him? Keep in mind that you'd be then getting two albums with new Lindsey songs, as opposed to just one.

Speaking for myself, I'm always going to opt for a chance at more new songs. And to have new solo material AND new Mac material is the absolute best scenario of all, for me.

elle

04-27-2014, 03:38 PM

Would you be worried that a Lindsey-free album would prove Fleetwood Mac to be viable without him?
why would i be worried, most of his stuff is not commercially viable.

plus, most SN fans disliked 2 last albums/outputs from FM that were with him and SN, anyway.

Let me ask you this -- if Fleetwood Mac had to choose between releasing an album without Lindsey, or waiting just a few months for him to be available, would you prefer they wait or proceed without him? Keep in mind that you'd be then getting two albums with new Lindsey songs, as opposed to just one.
i thought i've been pretty clear on that - of course they should put out whatever they have! more output the better! i've been highly frustrated with FM measly output. if LB didn't contribute anything and other songwriters did and have it mostly recorded, why would they wait for him? i would not be getting 2 albums with new LB songs if he didn't contribute any to FM album, so his songs on FM album would be a pure wishful thinking. and i would be extremely happy to get LB solo album, with or without his contributions anywhere else!

drag00n

04-27-2014, 03:50 PM

You know ... Think about it...... FM remained successful without Lindsey... They have remained successful for the last 16 years without Christine.... FM's biggest failure was the album and tour for Time.... which had Mick, John AND,,,, Christine on it,,,, BUT no Stevie.......

When I suggested a Stevie country LP, I was only re-voicing something that has been mentioned in the past,,,, She has always done things with a country flair and now with Lady A, CMT Crossroads and the ACM Awards, there is alot of focus in that genre for her. AND I remember reading about the prospects for her working with Lady A after last year's tour had been mentioned... and before this FM additional tour...

No matter what happens..... just remember,,,,, the Fleetwood Mac of old will never be again.... To try to go back and try to re-create it seems to me to be impossible... and rather sad....

Of course......there is always the argument ......... what is FM without alot of hyped drama????

elle

04-27-2014, 04:02 PM

Of course......there is always the argument ......... what is FM without alot of hyped drama????

exactly! :thumbsup:

and what can be more drama than 4/5 of the band releasing an album while 1/5 releases her own because they seemingly can't work together in the studio?? they don't even have to hype anything, it's hyping itself! they can do press junkets all 5 together, talk how it's still a lovefest, and everybody will be looking for little signs of disagreement. it would be great! :laugh: :cool:

Johnny Stew

04-27-2014, 04:18 PM

why would i be worried, most of his stuff is not commercially viable.

Then why should Stevie fans be concerned either?

The Fleetwood Mac name is almost always going to bring in more consumers than any of the solo members individually (I say "almost always," because 'Time' didn't do 'Street Angel's' numbers -- of course 'Time' only featured one of the classic songwriters, rather than two). I think pretty much everyone concedes that a new Fleetwood Mac album, with or without Stevie, is going to be more commercially successful than a Stevie Nicks solo album.

I highly doubt Nicks fans are going to be devastated if the band chooses to move forward without her. Especially if, as you say, those fans couldn't care less about Fleetwood Mac and only want more Stevie solo. To follow through with that logic, a successful, Nicks-less Fleetwood Mac means more time for Stevie to record and tour without being tied down to the band.

plus, most SN fans disliked 2 last albums/outputs from FM that were with him and SN, anyway.

I wouldn't say that "most" Stevie fans disliked 'Say You Will' and 'EP.' Many disliked them, certainly. But many (including myself) loved them, too.

I've heard quite a number of Lindsey diehards criticize both releases for various reasons, as well, yet I wouldn't surmise from that criticism that most of his fans disliked them.

i thought i've been pretty clear on that - of course they should put out whatever they have! more output the better! i've been highly frustrated with FM measly output. if LB didn't contribute anything and other songwriters did and have it mostly recorded, why would they wait for him? i would not be getting 2 albums with new LB songs if he didn't contribute any to FM album, so his songs on FM album would be a pure wishful thinking. and i would be extremely happy to get LB solo album, with or without his contributions anywhere else!

That's not what I asked, though. I asked if you would choose to wait if having a new album with his contributions was only a matter of the band holding off for a few more months.

To have all five on an album, I'm very willing to wait. And I still believe that's exactly what we're going to get... after the tour, just as Christine said.

BlueDenimLamp

04-27-2014, 04:22 PM

No matter what happens..... just remember,,,,, the Fleetwood Mac of old will never be again.... To try to go back and try to re-create it seems to me to be impossible... and rather sad..

Well I think that's about as accurate as it gets...

Yes "Rumours" is something to be proud of but it's also hurt the band as much as it's helped them...FM tried doing something different with "TUSK" but when it was not an instant success they ran right back to the security of what has become known as the "Classic Rumours Sound" and they have never strayed far from it...Personally I have grown weary of the whole Rumours thing and I have little interest in a new Mac album since it is almost guaranteed to be especially with CM's return a "Classic Rumours Sound" re-hash...

elle

04-27-2014, 04:34 PM

Then why should Stevie fans be concerned either?

The Fleetwood Mac name is almost always going to bring in more consumers than any of the solo members individually (I say "almost always," because 'Time' didn't do 'Street Angel's' numbers -- of course 'Time' only featured one of the classic songwriters, rather than two). I think pretty much everyone concedes that a new Fleetwood Mac album, with or without Stevie, is going to be more commercially successful than a Stevie Nicks solo album.

i've looked through the rest of your post and you seem to be going in circles so i'm not really sure what you are asking, but i'll try to clarify the parts that i think you are still asking me about:

yes, i think FM should release, without any wait, whatever album they have done, even if they have only 2 out of 3 songwriters on it. and i don't care who is the 3rd songwriter that is out - whether it's LB, CM, or SN.

regarding commercial viability, that concern/question is relevant for SN output since that's what everybody keeps bringing up - that she's by far the most commercially viable solo of the 5 of them, and that FM would not be commercially viable without her.

for LB, the equivalent would be if you ask whether or not the album without him would still be as critically acclaimed as the ones with his involvement are. commercial viability was never his strength.

elle

04-27-2014, 04:36 PM

Well I think that's about as accurate as it gets...

Yes "Rumours" is something to be proud of but it's also hurt the band as much as it's helped them...FM tried doing something different with "TUSK" but when it was not an instant success they ran right back to the security of what has become known as the "Classic Rumours Sound" and they have never strayed far from it...Personally I have grown weary of the whole Rumours thing and I have little interest in a new Mac album since it is almost guaranteed to be especially with CM's return a "Classic Rumours Sound" re-hash...

well, they did - on Tusk, and on SYW. and they've been reigned back in it seems, both times.

michelej1

04-27-2014, 04:44 PM

That's not what I asked, though. I asked if you would choose to wait if having a new album with his contributions was only a matter of the band holding off for a few more months.

I could not care less if FM recorded without Lindsey. I have BTM and I have Time. I like BTM. I don't particularly like Time, but I don't think either album should not have been recorded. The band indicates that they would have done another album and tour between 1982-1987 if Lindsey had been ready. I think they should have gone ahead with it and either them going ahead would have made Lindsey return earlier OR it would have made his return for Tango all the sweeter.

At this point, they have been waiting for another FM album since the SYW tour ended. They could do an album without Stevie now and do one with her in 2016. Then, we'd get two albums instead of one. And, frankly, the contrast would be interesting to me. But holding off more when they've already held off so long already does not seem wise to me. Hoping for something that may never happen is kind of a risk for 65 and 70 year old people.

Michele

MikeVielhaber

04-27-2014, 05:47 PM

You know ... Think about it...... FM remained successful without Lindsey... They have remained successful for the last 16 years without Christine.... FM's biggest failure was the album and tour for Time.... which had Mick, John AND,,,, Christine on it,,,, BUT no Stevie.......

Yes, but Time was also missing Lindsey. I think the failure of time was because it lacked BOTH Lindsey and Stevie than because of just Stevie. They probably could've faired decently with Lindsey. You say they "remained successful" without Lindsey. I guess that's because their success didn't drop below a certain level which you deem unsuccessful. And fair enough....but let's not pretend there wasn't an enormous drop off.

Johnny Stew

04-27-2014, 05:49 PM

i've looked through the rest of your post and you seem to be going in circles so i'm not really sure what you are asking

I think I expressed myself and my question pretty clearly.

My feeling is that Fleetwood Mac is operating with more than just a mere "hope" that Stevie will be a part of this album. Hence their decision to wait for her. What I wanted to know was if you'd want them to wait for Lindsey if his contribution was guaranteed, but would delay the album slightly. Things got muddied when you said the band should not wait for him if he didn't contribute anything, and that you wouldn't get two new albums of songs from him if he didn't.

Johnny Stew

04-27-2014, 05:52 PM

I could not care less if FM recorded without Lindsey.

That's cool. I can understand and respect that. Prior to Christine re-joining, I wouldn't have minded if Fleetwood Mac decided to record without Stevie, or without Lindsey. But now that Chris is back, I want all five on an album.

The prospect of having "The Five" on an album, is too desirable for me to want anything less.

michelej1

04-27-2014, 06:00 PM

That's cool. I can understand and respect that. Prior to Christine re-joining, I wouldn't have minded if Fleetwood Mac decided to record without Stevie, or without Lindsey. But now that Chris is back, I want all five on an album.

The prospect of having "The Five" on an album, is too desirable for me to want anything less.

You can still get that. They can always do an album with the five later. I don't take an all or nothing approach.

Michele

elle

04-27-2014, 06:04 PM

My feeling is that Fleetwood Mac is operating with more than just a mere "hope" that Stevie will be a part of this album. Hence their decision to wait for her. What I wanted to know was if you'd want them to wait for Lindsey if his contribution was guaranteed, but would delay the album slightly. Things got muddied when you said the band should not wait for him if he didn't contribute anything, and that you wouldn't get two new albums of songs from him if he didn't.

yeah but if you do some math you would see your feeling is a pipe dream, and we are not talking about a few months.

i don't know whether they decided to wait for her or not. do you?

so for the 3rd time, final answer - no, i wouldn't want them to wait for Lindsey. things get muddled when people want to muddle them, seems to me. :xoxo:

elle

04-27-2014, 06:06 PM

You can still get that. They can always do an album with the five later. I don't take an all or nothing approach.

exactly.

i don't know what's that in the psyche of a Mac fan that seems to be so absolute, all the time.

michelej1

04-27-2014, 06:08 PM

yeah but if you do some math you would see your feeling is a pipe dream, and we are not talking about a few months.

It's already been a few months, since Mick first made the comment that some of them would hit the recording studio in March a couple of months ago already.

Michele

michelej1

04-27-2014, 06:09 PM

exactly.

i don't know what's that in the psyche of a Mac fan that seems to be so absolute, all the time.

It's not absolute all the time. It's absolute or not, depending on which Mac member is involved.

Michele

MikeInNV

04-27-2014, 06:11 PM

michelej1

04-27-2014, 06:14 PM

But talking about the long break between Mirage and Tango, I wanted something from them and didn't like going 5 years without as a fan, but mortality wasn't an issue for me back then. It was only AFTER the fact, once Christine left the band in 1997 that I started seeing what a waste that 5year void had been in the past and longing that we'd had an album in the interim. I regretted that there were so few studio albums from them so much more after the fact , when history was ending, than I did at the time the inactivity was actually happening. I only realized how important losing those years was in retrospect.

I don't want those same regrets 10 years from now.

Michele

elle

04-27-2014, 06:18 PM

OK, I have no idea where to post this. There are threads in two forums, some threads are being merged, etc. but here it is:

Wasn't there a tweet from Dave that he is working on a Fleetwood Mac project? Now according to Mick, it's a Stevie solo album? And it's really odd to me that Christine is in Nashville if it's not for Fleetwood Mac. I would almost guarantee her own songs aren't finished, and I'm sure she has things to add to Lindsey's songs. I can't believe she would go to Nashville for an unrelated purpose, especially since she has never once been involved in a Stevie solo album before. Why would her first time be right after re-joining the band she retired from 16 years ago?

no there was no tweet from DS. someone on FMN&R blog posted an anonymous comment saying Dave PMed them on fb and said it was FM project. so that is not exactly trustworthy.

i was asking all these same questions as you when i first heard HelloMonster's recording. so yeah all good and puzzling questions... no idea!

maybe Christine planned to spend this time in the US for Mac album recording, but now that the wrench seems to have been thrown into that, she's choosing to still spend some time in the studio with some friends, and maybe help out? was she really not on SN's solo albums before? she certainly was on Lindsey's and he or hers, so...

MikeInNV

04-27-2014, 06:23 PM

michelej1

04-27-2014, 06:25 PM

That 5-year void seems like nothing to me now. And for those that are fans of all three, that void included two solo albums by Stevie and one each by Lindsey and Christine.

Yes, I have all of their solo albums, but that five year void seems like a wasteland to me now. It has ever since I thought Christine was gone for good. I wished there was more.

Michele

michelej1

04-27-2014, 06:26 PM

was she really not on SN's solo albums before?

No, Stevie and Christine did not guest on each other's solo albums. Although Stevie said that Think About It on her solo album was a song about Christine.

Michele

michelej1

04-27-2014, 06:28 PM

That 5-year void seems like nothing to me now. And for those that are fans of all three, that void included two solo albums by Stevie and one each by Lindsey and Christine.

Also, in addition to 1982-1987, I also have fervently wished they could have come together soon after the Clinton inauguration and it hadn't taken until 1997 for it to happen.

Those lost years have plagued me incessantly. I thought the Dance was the beginning of something and it turned out to be the end and I never stopped regretting the lost time that preceded it.

Michele

BlueDenimLamp

04-27-2014, 06:29 PM

no there was no tweet from DS. someone on FMN&R blog posted an anonymous comment saying Dave PMed them on fb and said it was FM project. so that is not exactly trustworthy.

i was asking all these same questions as you when i first heard HelloMonster's recording. so yeah all good and puzzling questions... no idea!

maybe Christine planned to spend this time in the US for Mac album recording, but now that the wrench seems to have been thrown into that, she's choosing to still spend some time in the studio with some friends, and maybe help out? was she really not on SN's solo albums before? she certainly was on Lindsey's and he or hers, so...

I would have to go through all the SN album credits but I'm pretty sure that before "IYD" the only song any of them played on is "Sable On Blond" which had Mick on drums...

michelej1

04-27-2014, 06:51 PM

I would have to go through all the SN album credits but I'm pretty sure that before "IYD" the only song any of them played on is "Sable On Blond" which had Mick on drums...

Lindsey was on "I Miss You" for TISL.

Michele

Johnny Stew

04-27-2014, 07:43 PM

You can still get that. They can always do an album with the five later. I don't take an all or nothing approach.

Of course I wouldn't turn down a Mac album with just four of the five, but that idea doesn't excite me nearly as much as the prospect of all five. I've wanted a new album with The Five for over a decade now. Another album with just four of the five would feel like settling.

Basically, we're all wishin' & hopin' & thinkin' & prayin' in these conversations. I'm not telling you or Elle or anyone that they're wrong for wanting new music from four them. I'm just telling you that, since we're closer now to having something with all five than we have been in 16 years, I'd rather wait a little bit longer for that to happen.

Johnny Stew

04-27-2014, 07:55 PM

yeah but if you do some math you would see your feeling is a pipe dream, and we are not talking about a few months.

i don't know whether they decided to wait for her or not. do you?

Mick just said they're hoping she'll be done in a couple of weeks. If the band hasn't decided to wait for her, why would they care how long her solo project takes?

So this is the math I did: Stevie recording in Nashville + Mick hoping she'll be done in two weeks = Fleetwood Mac has decided to wait for Stevie.

There, I even showed my work. ;)

Johnny Stew

04-27-2014, 07:57 PM

It's not absolute all the time. It's absolute or not, depending on which Mac member is involved.

Nice one. Yet I've already said more than once that I'd want them to wait for Lindsey too.

Absolutely.

elle

04-27-2014, 08:04 PM

Mick just said they're hoping she'll be done in a couple of weeks. If the band hasn't decided to wait for her, why would they care how long her solo project takes?

i should have known that you would be mixing time and space, absolute vs relative values in your math. :p you need to study up.

what Mick said can easily mean they will wait for 2 weeks, and see what happens then; we have no doubt they are hoping and would love to have all 5 on the record. Mick doesn't say what will happen if their hope turns out to be false. they may re-group and take another direction.

and direction they should take is: if she's not back in promised time, then release that album already, with or without SN!!

michelej1

04-27-2014, 08:11 PM

Nice one. Yet I've already said more than once that I'd want them to wait for Lindsey too.

Absolutely.

Yes I saw what you said.

Michele

Johnny Stew

04-27-2014, 08:33 PM

what Mick said can easily mean they will wait for 2 weeks, and see what happens then; we have no doubt they are hoping and would love to have all 5 on the record. Mick doesn't say what will happen if their hope turns out to be false. they may re-group and take another direction.

I hear what you're saying. I still can't imagine Stevie giving them the run-around at this point in the game, or them still allowing her to do so. I think if she were putting them off indefinitely, without giving them any guarantees on her participation, that they'd say, "take all the time you'd like on your solo album, Stevie -- we won't be needing your services now." Basically, "take a hike."

and direction they should take is: if she's not back in promised time, then release that album already, with or without SN!!

I'll agree with you there. If she still hasn't committed to recording with them, or if she has committed and yet still doesn't make herself available to them when they expect her to, then, yes, they should proceed without her.

If I've made it sound like I think they should all sit around and wait for Stevie for the next two or three years, I certainly didn't mean to.

But I feel this wait-time is doable and worthwhile if it means we get all five.

Johnny Stew

04-27-2014, 08:35 PM

Yes I saw what you said.

Was I wrong to think there was some snarkiness in your comment then?

michelej1

04-27-2014, 08:37 PM

TsnFan4Ever

04-27-2014, 08:42 PM

what Mick said can easily mean they will wait for 2 weeks, and see what happens then; we have no doubt they are hoping and would love to have all 5 on the record.

I'm just curious: has anyone considered the possibility that Stevie could just send her contributions into FM digitally instead of needing to be physically present? She's working at Martina McBride's studio where she has access to some of the top musicians in the country. Wouldn't it be likely that she's working on both her solo project and the 3-4 songs for the new FM project simultaneously?

I've been a fan of both Fleetwood Mac and Stevie for many years. She has always said how important FM is to her and that her solo career is separate; has been successful at juggling both careers since "Bella Donna" was first released; and I believe that she will be ready to contribute to the FM album when they need her. With the technology that exists today, there isn't a need for everyone to be physically in the studio. They can work together through Skype, iChat, etc. and send their work back & forth. Dave Stewart and Stevie wrote songs together for IYD using that format; they are probably working the same way with FM. Have some faith in their process!!

michelej1

04-27-2014, 08:50 PM

Was I wrong to think there was some snarkiness in your comment then?

Sure you can think it, but my comment was that I read what you said. Why would you remind me what you said? I wasn't talking just about you or even just about Stevie fans when I said to Elle that absolutes change depending on which band member it is?

Michele

HelloMonster

04-27-2014, 08:54 PM

I don't know if it's relevant, as we know they have been at the Village, but Mick said they are recording in regards to Christine yesterday. I have it on video. The video itself is crappy though, as I was focusing on capturing the audio mainly, so the picture is of people's heads :laugh:. I can post it if people are interested. It didn't seem like important/ new news to me.

Johnny Stew

04-27-2014, 09:05 PM

Sure you can think it, but my comment was that I read what you said. Why would you remind me what you said? I wasn't talking just about you or even just about Stevie fans when I said to Elle that absolutes change depending on which band member it is?

Michele

I wasn't referring to your "I saw what you said" comment. I was asking whether there was snarkiness in your "absolutes" comment.

I'm not typically someone who thinks huddled football players are talking about them, but based on the comment of Elle's that you were replying to, it seemed directed at me.

I do agree with your assessment, however. Absolutes certainly change depending on which band member is being discussed, and by whom.

michelej1

04-27-2014, 09:13 PM

I'm not typically someone who thinks huddled football players are talking about them, but based on the comment of Elle's that you were replying to, it seemed directed at me.

I replied directly to you when I said that I don't believe in "all or nothing". There are more people weighing in on this subject (as the silent votes in the poll show) than are just in this thread. I don't have to talk about you to someone else. I can respond to you, when the comment is just aimed at you.

Michele

Johnny Stew

04-27-2014, 09:19 PM

I don't have to talk about you to someone else. I can respond to you, when the comment is just aimed at you.

Good, I prefer it that way!

David

04-27-2014, 10:03 PM

With the technology that exists today, there isn't a need for everyone to be physically in the studio.There isn't a need for anyone to be physically in the studio. And as I said before, since they're all going on the road next fall, they should record new music on the road, just as they did with the 1980 Live album (sound checks and such) or as several of them have done on solo tours.

Why book studio time, Fleetwood Macsters? It's like herding cats. You're going to be with one another for several months touring. Record while you're at.

elle

04-27-2014, 10:08 PM

I
If I've made it sound like I think they should all sit around and wait for Stevie for the next two or three years, I certainly didn't mean to.

yes, and the question in the poll was should they wait for Stevie, however long that may take. based on what you say above, your vote should be different from what you cast.

the question in my poll was pretty clear, and the options i provided were written as they were for a reason.

when people vote no, and tell me, but not "however long it takes", or tell me "it won't sell without SN" or my favorite so far since it's so far off the mark - "she's making FM relevant" therefore they should under no circumstances put an album out without her, they negate their vote right there.

and there's your "commercial viability" argument raised by a number of SN fans again. you were asking me why is that relevant to SN fans. i don't know why it is, but they certainly keep bringing it up.

according to these fans none of the struggling new bands should ever record and release an album since they are no "commercially viable" so why bother? warped logic. everybody should forget about BN album too, since it was not commercially viable, it tanked if the oft-repeated story is correct. :laugh:

elle

04-27-2014, 10:13 PM

There isn't a need for anyone to be physically in the studio. And as I said before, since they're all going on the road next fall, they should record new music on the road, just as they did with the 1980 Live album (sound checks and such) or as several of them have done on solo tours.

Why book studio time, Fleetwood Macsters? It's like herding cats. You're going to be with one another for several months touring. Record while you're at.

because it's always like herding cats with this group of people and nothing happens? plus i'm sure some of the FM members would have yet another higher priority than FM album while on the road ;). and lastly, nobody likes your another greatest hits plus a couple of new songs suggestion, anyway. :p

michelej1

04-27-2014, 10:15 PM

and there's your "commercial viability" argument raised by a number of SN fans again. you were asking me why is that relevant to SN fans. i don't know why it is, but they certainly keep bringing it up.

Tusk wasn't commercially viable either. For FM right now, nothing is "commercially" viable except a tour and nobody's arguing that they don't need SN to tour. They obviously do.

Michele

michelej1

04-27-2014, 10:22 PM

Why book studio time, Fleetwood Macsters? It's like herding cats. You're going to be with one another for several months touring. Record while you're at.

I can't even really understand what you mean. Are you saying that they should record the album during sound checks or something? They really don't have any free time to coalesce during the tour.

It's not like the old days when they were all hanging out in that one big dressing room, while on tour, endlessly communing. I don't think they can actually create together on the road -- although they could do so during a break after the first leg.

However, I agree with you that if they have some songs sketched out already, have a basic vocal arrangement and melody for them, that they could actually play them in concert, like in the old days when they did songs live before they were recorded. But we would need a rough draft of those songs to already exist. If they do, perform them in concert first and then release it on a live CD if the band never gets around to formally recording it.

Michele