So, In Regard To This New EP......

[michelej1]

Citation? Or it didn't happen.



Oh you know that Stevie said if she was in charge it never would have been a double album. You don't need a citation. That quote is floating around in your little gray cells, surely:nod: .

Michele

[michelej1]

I think this is along the lines of what BombaySapphire3's referred to.

This one is from The Record in 1982

Well Tusk wasn't my album. Tusk was mainly Lindsey's conception, dream, everything, he ever wanted to do. Everybody just figured that for whatever his reasons were, it was important that he do that and we just sort of sat back and let him do it. I don't mean to sound blase or anything. I was there. I just didn't have very much to do with it. Because if I had much to do with it, it wouldn't have been a double album and it wouldn't, it wouldn't have been crazy.

I never did like the cover, and everybody knows that. I got attacked by a German Sheperd about a year ago and the picture reminds me of that dog. He really isn't a mean dog, but I don't like pictures of dogs that look like they're going to rip your face off. I simply had to learn to accept it. But I'll just never wear a tee shirt with that dog on the front of it.

[soul_drifter333]

Not to be augmentative, :laugh: but it was Lindsey's production of Stevie's songs that made them iconic. I really don't think songs like Storms or Sara would have been go great without Lindsey's production of them.

Citation? Or it didn't happen.

Perhaps you've conveniently overlooked the fact that Stevie's songs on Tusk, not Lindsey's, are the songs that essentially made it such an iconic album.

[HejiraNYC]

Oh you know that Stevie said if she was in charge it never would have been a double album. You don't need a citation. That quote is floating around in your little gray cells, surely:nod: .

Michele

I know she felt this way about Say You Will, but I didn't think she specifically said this regarding Tusk. Yes, I know "the band," in hindsight, after Tusk became a commercial "failure," criticized Lindsey's eccentric approach. But I don't recall Stevie specifically saying anything to this effect.

[D.W-Suite]

Perhaps you've conveniently overlooked the fact that Stevie's songs on Tusk, not Lindsey's, are the songs that essentially made it such an iconic album.

.......Ugh.

[HejiraNYC]

I think this is along the lines of what BombaySapphire3's referred to.

This one is from The Record in 1982

Okay, that sorta, indirectly intimates that she wasn't a fan of the double record concept. But indeed it was a rather blasé way of putting it. I don't think she had strong feelings about it at the time Tusk was being recorded. Seeing that the interview was in 1982, a point in time when Tusk was not really considered to be a masterpiece, I think Stevie was simply distancing herself from the project and playing "Monday Morning" quarterback. It's as if she spilled the milk, stepped away and said "I had no part in this!"

[MikeVielhaber]

Citation? Or it didn't happen.

Perhaps you've conveniently overlooked the fact that Stevie's songs on Tusk, not Lindsey's, are the songs that essentially made it such an iconic album.

Tusk is my favorite FM album, but I don't consider it iconic. Maybe to FM fans, but compared to Rumours, which is inarguably iconic, I don't think Tusk is to the general public.

[BombaySapphire3]

Citation? Or it didn't happen.

Perhaps you've conveniently overlooked the fact that Stevie's songs on Tusk, not Lindsey's, are the songs that essentially made it such an iconic album.

How do you infer that I overlooked that fact..Stevie's Tusk songs are her artistic highpoint.I was not commenting on the quality of her songs on that album at all only some of her attitudes about said album in those years and I believe Michelle helped with the "citation"

[shackin'up]

Seeing that the interview was in 1982, a point in time when Tusk was not really considered to be a masterpiece, I think Stevie was simply distancing herself from the project and playing "Monday Morning" quarterback. It's as if she spilled the milk, stepped away and said "I had no part in this!"

That's what she did. From that moment on I slowly grew away from her as a fan. And grew closer to Lindsey, as a fan.

[HomerMcvie]

That's what she did. From that moment on I slowly grew away from her as a fan. And grew closer to Lindsey, as a fan.

Same here. I was a huge Stevie fan until about 1985, then slowly just grew away from her. She became my 3rd favorite singer in the band.

And I think Lindsey's production on Tusk is what made it iconic. And I prefer his songs to Stevie's, by a long stretch.

[CADreaming]

I know she felt this way about Say You Will, but I didn't think she specifically said this regarding Tusk. Yes, I know "the band," in hindsight, after Tusk became a commercial "failure," criticized Lindsey's eccentric approach. But I don't recall Stevie specifically saying anything to this effect.

Exactly - give it another ten or 15 years & she'll be saying SYW was brilliant. :rolleyes:

[shackin'up]

Same here. I was a huge Stevie fan until about 1985, then slowly just grew away from her. She became my 3rd favorite singer in the band.

And I think Lindsey's production on Tusk is what made it iconic. And I prefer his songs to Stevie's, by a long stretch.

When it comes to Tusk, I still think that the sum of it's parts makes it iconic. Lindsey's experiments combined with the songs of CM and SN, and their beautiful arrangements and tasteful production, and not the least, the total balls to the wall rythmtracks, made it to what it is. the best album ever recorded by anyone.

I was totally enthralled by Tusk. Still am. The "ugly" words about that album made me mad. It was a brave and gutsy step in mainstream rock.

[dontlookdown]

Tusk was my favorite FM album when it came out in 79. Still is today.
I put it right up there with Pet Sounds and Revolver.

[michelej1]

Exactly - give it another ten or 15 years & she'll be saying SYW was brilliant. :rolleyes:

Well, not if the music critics don't agree. If Rolling Stone and the like don't ever start calling it some sort of masterpiece, I don't think she'll change her thinking or comments about it.

Michele

[CADreaming]

Well, not if the music critics don't agree. If Rolling Stone and the like don't ever start calling it some sort of masterpiece, I don't think she'll change her thinking or comments about it.

Michele

True! Meant to add that. :)

[michelej1]

I was not commenting on the quality of her songs on that album at all only some of her attitudes about said album in those years and I believe Michelle helped with the "citation"

Yes, I remember her saying that Lindsey thought garbage rock should have actual garbage in trash cans, or something along those lines in a reference to what she took to be Tusk's punk edge. And Stevie pointed out that Christine didn't like some of Lindsey's Tusk songs and would just walk up and tell him so or say she wouldn't play them in concert.

In 1981, BAM accused Stevie (well all of the Macsters) of flip flopping on Tusk. The magazine said they were all "delighted" with it at first and now they hate it and the interviewer saw that as revisionism. Stevie said,

I never felt any differently about it. I was always up-front about it. I loved the songs for the most part. I even liked almost all of Lindsey's tunes, which were the most heavily criticized. I did not love sitting around for thirteen months and I never said I did. If Tusk had been terribly successful I wouldn't have taken the credit for it because I was not that much a part of it. It was out of my hands. I didn't want it to be called Tusk. I didn't like the artwork. I'm being totally truthful--I had very little to do with that record.

Too your album length point:

My main complaint with Tusk isn't musical. It just went on too long. I think it could have been done in half the time. But again, I'm not a player. I'm the dancer and singer. I just want to get up there and dance and twirl my baton.

My main complaint with TISL when I first heard it (I changed this view after 2 years) was that it was not musical.

As for individual songs on Tusk she said:

I love individual songs. Of my songs, I like "Sara" and "Angel" the best. I liked most of Chris' stuff. Of Lindsey's songs, I guess I like "Save Me A Place" and "Walk a Thin Line" the most. Those are beautiful songs.

I love Lindsey's work. I didn't hang around with him for seven years for nothing, listening to him play guitar every single night, watching him fall asleep with his electric guitar across his chest. There were nights I had to pry the guitar off of him so he could sleep in a normal position.

[michelej1]

[Excuse me, I'm just reading interviews here to get a chronology]

So, it was about 1985 when she was talking to Molly that the change in her perception of Tusk started to come out in interviews.

I mean, and Tusk, was like very native, very African. Mick lived in the jungle in Africa for 5 or 6 years of his life, right? And so Mick thinks that he is a Watusi Warrior and he is! So this whole record, I mean, I would sit and write for days, you know, it was like The Tribe and like this is the sacred steps back up to the top of the sacred mountain of this jungle kind of thing, and that's what Tusk was. And if you ever really listen to Tusk and listen to it quietly, its very slow. I listen to it sometimes and I think these songs are so slow. Its like, Lindsey's song goes "and they said I never would recover, and they said I knew you well". Its like everything on Tusk was very like "warrioresque", which is probably one of the reasons why 13 months didn't kill us all, because it was so -- its like we kind of went to kind of another kind of world for Tusk and I think that Tusk is one of those records that some day people will sit down and listen to and understand what it really was because I didn't even understand what it was and I think I'm only now, as I listen to it in my own private time, starting to realize that there was a lot more in Tusk that even I didn't see.

[LineInTheSand]

Lindsey confirmed tonight in Newark that the EP drops next week on iTunes and has four songs. Any guesses on the fourth?!

[redtulip]

Lindsey confirmed tonight in Newark that the EP drops next week on iTunes and has four songs. Any guesses on the fourth?!

Sad Angel live

[SHN]

Sad Angel live

That would be my guess as well. It would be nice to have a live version of "Sad Angel", but a part of me would also like to just have another song that they cut during the studio sessions last year and then hope to get a live version of "Sad Angel" on a concert DVD or CD/MP3 release sometime later in the year.

[KenshiMaster16]

My hope is the fourth track is a new Stevie track so it's even. The reality is it's probably another Lindsey track. My worst fear is it's Soldier's Angel. LOL

[TrueFaith77]

"next week" -- heard that before. lol

[GavinBrown]

I would DIE if it was a new live version of Sisters....:blob2:

[streetangel27]

I'm anxiously awaiting the EP. Lindsey said in Ottawa that it would be released "next week" but, idk. I want the studio recording of Sad Angel so bad.

[TrueFaith77]

I would DIE if it was a new live version of Sisters....:blob2:

I would DIE if this EP actually gets released.

[MikeVielhaber]

I would DIE if this EP actually gets released.

You really think that after they've been talking about it for months and announcing it at every show that it's really not going to be released? I mean, seriously?

[michelej1]

You really think that after they've been talking about it for months and announcing it at every show that it's really not going to be released? I mean, seriously?

I know. It's true we've been through some hard times as fans, but things have never gotten quite that bad:laugh:.

Michele

[TerraRhiannon]

My hope is the fourth track is a new Stevie track so it's even. The reality is it's probably another Lindsey track. My worst fear is it's Soldier's Angel. LOL

Mine too. That would be sad.

GavinBrown mentioned a live version of 'Sisters' a few posts back. I agree that would be kick ass! But.. Highly doubt it will happen .

[I'msoAfraid95]

Have they come close to deciding when it'll be released? Don't keep us waiting any longer. That being said, I hope that the ep will be released on something besides Itunes I may be the only teenager who doesn't download stuff. I use Spotify and last fm, but downloading? I have no clue how to do it.

[SadAngel86]

Have they come close to deciding when it'll be released? Don't keep us waiting any longer. That being said, I hope that the ep will be released on something besides Itunes I may be the only teenager who doesn't download stuff. I use Spotify and last fm, but downloading? I have no clue how to do it.

So far, what we know is April 30th (Tuesday) on iTunes, and after that we don't really know anything.

[ryan4136]

So far, what we know is April 30th (Tuesday) on iTunes, and after that we don't really know anything.

If it's a really long version of Sad Angel will that just count as an EP :]

[TerraRhiannon]

If it's a really long version of Sad Angel will that just count as an EP :]

When it comes to Fleetwood Mac, yes. It probably would.

[I'msoAfraid95]

If it's a really long version of Sad Angel will that just count as an EP :]

Haha. I wouldn't be surprised.

April 30th, more like May 30th of next year. :p

[TrueFaith77]

You really think that after they've been talking about it for months and announcing it at every show that it's really not going to be released? I mean, seriously?

Yes. It took four years to release the Rumours box set that they had been ballyhooing throughout the 2009 Unleashed tour. This tour should be titled: Unreleased.

[MikeVielhaber]

Yes. It took four years to release the Rumours box set that they had been ballyhooing throughout the 2009 Unleashed tour. This tour should be titled: Unreleased.

This isn't a reissue. This is new music. New music that they are playing on tour. It's not going to go unreleased.

[Murrow]

Just read that it was going to be 3 songs so Miss Fantasy, Sad Angel and Without You. I think it was on Ultimate Classic Rock. They also said that Mick separated from Lynn. He wants joint custody.

:-O That's dreadful! In the Two Sticks & A Drum DVD Lynn's depicted as being the one who helped Mick to finally overcome his alcoholism. I do hope he's not back on the bottle again...

I did also read mentioning here of a girlfriend. http://tmakworld.com/2013/04/fleetwood_mac_concert_review_2013.html

[The Catdancer]

:-O That's dreadful! In the Two Sticks & A Drum DVD Lynn's depicted as being the one who helped Mick to finally overcome his alcoholism. I do hope he's not back on the bottle again...

I did also read mentioning here of a girlfriend. http://tmakworld.com/2013/04/fleetwood_mac_concert_review_2013.html

I doubt he's drinking again, at least I hope not.

I noticed the mentioning of a girlfriend. I hope she makes him happy :)

[secondhandchain]

What a joke...new ep tuesday and NOTHING on the website.

[mylittledemon]

^Yeah but the release date isn't "official" yet is it? :shrug:

[TrueFaith77]

Who told them a three-song EP was the way to go?

What a joke...new ep tuesday and NOTHING on the website.

Well either the website isn't up-to-date or it's not really going to be released on Tuesday. ;)


^Yeah but the release date isn't "official" yet is it? :shrug:

Correction: The release isn't official yet either.

[MikeVielhaber]

What a joke...new ep tuesday and NOTHING on the website.

Isn't this an independent release? If so, then it's up to the band how much promotion it gets.

[lbfan]

While searching for "Fleetwood Mac Sad Angel" on iTunes, it would consistently respond "No Results Found". Within the past few days, the field would just stay blank. I have interpreted to be that Apple has test loaded the tracks, but that they aren't commercially available just yet.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I doubt he's drinking again, at least I hope not.

I noticed the mentioning of a girlfriend. I hope she makes him happy :)


Well, he does love his wine...I'm not trying to start rumors, but a "recovering alcoholic" like him really should stay away from ALL alcohol.."Harmless" wine can definitely lead an alcoholic to bigger things.

Of course this is just all talk because we have no idea why they split.

[TrueFaith77]

While searching for "Fleetwood Mac Sad Angel" on iTunes, it would consistently respond "No Results Found". Within the past few days, the field would just stay blank. I have interpreted to be that Apple has test loaded the tracks, but that they aren't commercially available just yet.

theory holds up with miss fantasy. then: i typed in an impossible name: "Miss *******" and it came up: No results. So you is on to something for sure. I might be proved wrong with my naysaying. ugh. now i have hope. what an awful feeling.

what were the names of some of those demos for which people were hoping?

[mylittledemon]

Isn't this an independent release? If so, then it's up to the band how much promotion it gets.

Ahh right, good point. That's why there's been zero promotion. Unless you count Lindsey's speeches at the show. ;)

[Peestie]

Do any of the song titles from this thread (http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=51689) come up in the same way as Sad Angel etc.? I'm not really sure how iTunes works so can't try it myself.

[TrueFaith77]

Do any of the song titles from this thread (http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=51689) come up in the same way as Sad Angel etc.? I'm not really sure how iTunes works so can't try it myself.

None, but with "Family Party" and "In My World", there are results because of word similarities to existing songs/titles. So those are not cancelled out, just not confirmed.