Stevie #6 Billboard Debut

[henryscutter]

Really? I thought TISL fell out of the Top 10 in its second week too.

Honestly, this is less of a drop than I feared. And she's doing that "Dancing" show this week - that should help this week's/next week's sales.

This, If they release the right single and they get it out there SOON! (IMO either Moonlight or IYD) album sales will get a boost. Also the dvd/movie thing Dave is working on should help garner interest, I think it will be a while before we know the real commercial success of the album.

[kak125]

i wouldnt be that worried. only half the numbers are in so far and hits daily double is always off a bit from billboard so i am sure she will end up in top 20 or so. she needs to do more promotion besides just dancing with the stars if she wants to sell more copies of IYD. its too bad she isnt on the today show concert list for the summer or even gma.

[rockhopper]

Can anyone guestimate the ratio of how many legit album sales vs. illegal downloads/cd burnings .. ..I know I stopped one cd burning and advised a friend to buy it and support Stevie instead.

[Christopher]

Can anyone guestimate the ratio of how many legit album sales vs. illegal downloads/cd burnings .. ..I know I stopped one cd burning and advised a friend to buy it and support Stevie instead.
I think that would be next to impossible to gauge. However many are illegally downloading copies of IYD has to be pretty small potatoes compared to how many TISL & SYW copies were illegally downloaded back in early part of the 00's during Napster, Limewire and other file sharing sites heyday. But where theres a will theres a way, and people are still doing it.:distress:
Having said that, I cannot imagine any fan wanting to download an inferior sounding copy when the actual CD has a far finer and stunning sound.I heard nice details and all kinds of things when I 1st played the CD, that did not translate on the RS stream or a copy I came across on the net. Go out and buy the CD and play it on a great car or terrific sound system - it makes all the difference:nod:

[blinker12]

So I looked it up on BellaIllume... TISL went from #5 in Week 1 to #9 in Week 2, then #20, then #30, then #37, then #52.

So yeah, this will be a bigger Week 2 fall. But she didn't have Mac momentum to build on this time. Also "Planets" was a pretty big club hit and that helped sales. She should release another single... I think people would love "For What It's Worth" on the radio. It's how people like to think of Stevie: warm and acoustic. It's Landslide-esque.

[louielouie2000]

At this rate she'll be lucky to move 150K units by years end.

150k is what I've long forecasted that IYD would sell once you consider Stevie's age, years of inactivity in recording new music, the state of the industry, and consistent bumbling by Warner Bros. It is what it is. At this point, I can't say I see WB releasing another single since sales are so small, and falling off a cliff. I wonder how discouraging this will be to Stevie regarding the possibility of recording again, though? :(

[mylittledemon]

She needs to get Moonlight all up in the arse end of the next Twilight movie if she's gonna push any more CDs.

[PenguinHead]

150k is what I've long forecasted that IYD would sell once you consider Stevie's age, years of inactivity in recording new music, the state of the industry, and consistent bumbling by Warner Bros. It is what it is. At this point, I can't say I see WB releasing another single since sales are so small, and falling off a cliff. I wonder how discouraging this will be to Stevie regarding the possibility of recording again, though? :(

At this point of her career, I don't think that is a major factor. I hope she still rides the creative surge she felt while recording with Dave Stewart. After all, she was recently quoted as saying that she didn't care if the record sells -- that she was doing it for herself. She's financially solvent, so money/sales isn't the primary issue! She understands what's going on in the industry-- the drastic changes, along with her age. But she's an artist. Do painters stop painting when no one buys their paintings? No! There is only factor for Stevie not to continue making music. The only reason would be because she isn't inspired, and her muse has waned.

[Hawkeye]

Does anyone know how Stevie's peers have done on their recent album releases, So Stevie's people can put into perspective for her. And by peers I mean other older artists, not just older females.

[Jondalar]

hits daily double shows stevie heading for #27 this week with only about 7000 sales. That's with 54% reporting.

[Crystal_Elle]

Does anyone know how Stevie's peers have done on their recent album releases, So Stevie's people can put into perspective for her. And by peers I mean other older artists, not just older females.

I'm not really sure if this counts or is what you're looking for, but I'm a huge Reba fan so I know facts about her. Her latest album came out on Nov 9, 2010. It sold 64,174 copies in its first week of release. And according to a chart dated April 2, 2011, the album has sold 254,490 copies in the US.

[APerfectLie]

Yes, her age does play a factor in the sales. However, the largest reason for such a huge drop is the lack of promotion. The only promotion she has done since the release is Ellen. I still have yet to hear the single on the radio or see WB do any promotion at all. If she is well enough to perform shows, why hasn't her Today show appearance been rescheduled? Why isn't she on the late night shows? Why hasn't a second single been released? If they want sales to increase, they are going to need to get the word out there. I can only hope they are scheduling a big week of promotion near the end of May that will create a bump in sales, but I'm not holding my breath. I think it is time Stevie fire WB and her management and find people who know WTF they are doing.

[Jondalar]

I'm not really sure if this counts or is what you're looking for, but I'm a huge Reba fan so I know facts about her. Her latest album came out on Nov 9, 2010. It sold 64,174 copies in its first week of release. And according to a chart dated April 2, 2011, the album has sold 254,490 copies in the US.

Reba usually goes platinum. She has a built in audience and gets plenty of time on the radio. However, she might of saturated the market. 3 albums in in 3 years. It got lost.

[Jondalar]

Yes, her age does play a factor in the sales. However, the largest reason for such a huge drop is the lack of promotion. The only promotion she has done since the release is Ellen. I still have yet to hear the single on the radio or see WB do any promotion at all. If she is well enough to perform shows, why hasn't her Today show appearance been rescheduled? Why isn't she on the late night shows? Why hasn't a second single been released? If they want sales to increase, they are going to need to get the word out there. I can only hope they are scheduling a big week of promotion near the end of May that will create a bump in sales, but I'm not holding my breath. I think it is time Stevie fire WB and her management and find people who know WTF they are doing.

Maybe it hurt a little but I honestly don't think its promotion. I think she needs to get a single on the radio. There is something wrong when Glee seems to really only helped Fleetwood Mac. (maybe it helped her sales a little but doesn't seem so becuase her album down a lot faster then Rumours)

I think a lot of people didn't like her last album, and she has got to find a way of getting people to hear the new material. This album has a lot of singles and yet, no one is picking them up. Secret Love is not going to do for her at all.

I cannot believe that country radio is not embracing some of these songs yet. I remember in the 90s hearing After the Glitter Fades on a country radio station and hearing the announcer say it's his absolute favorite Stevie Nicks song. Hell, Stevie is more country then 40% of country artists. At least she has written some really good country songs. It's time for her to have a hit on country. They play Bon Jovie but not Stevie. Huh?

This woman does not a radio format anymore. Classic rock is basically dead. So is 80s rock. It seems like she has no where to turn and the A/C stuff is blah. People will listen to it but not buy it.

[APerfectLie]

Maybe it hurt a little but I honestly don't think its promotion. I think she needs to get a single on the radio. There is something wrong when Glee seems to really only helped Fleetwood Mac. (maybe it helped her sales a little but doesn't seem so becuase her album down a lot faster then Rumours)

I think a lot of people didn't like her last album, and she has got to find a way of getting people to hear the new material. This album has a lot of singles and yet, no one is picking them up. Secret Love is not going to do for her at all.

I cannot believe that country radio is not embracing some of these songs yet. I remember in the 90s hearing After the Glitter Fades on a country radio station and hearing the announcer say it's his absolute favorite Stevie Nicks song. Hell, Stevie is more country then 40% of country artists. At least she has written some really good country songs. It's time for her to have a hit on country. They play Bon Jovie but not Stevie. Huh?

This woman does not a radio format anymore. Classic rock is basically dead. So is 80s rock. It seems like she has no where to turn and the A/C stuff is blah. People will listen to it but not buy it.

The reason Glee helped Fleetwood Mac and not Stevie was because it was centered on Fleetwood Mac, specifically Rumours. I wonder how many people who went out and bought Rumours went out and bought any other FM albums? Probably very few. Had WB put a commercial for Stevie's album on there tho, it would have definitely increased the sales. People aren't not buying Stevie's new album because they didn't like TISL, they aren't buying it because they don't even know about it. Singles are promotion, and WB lack of releasing anymore is clear evidence that Stevie needs to give them the boot.

[Jondalar]

The reason Glee helped Fleetwood Mac and not Stevie was because it was centered on Fleetwood Mac, specifically Rumours. I wonder how many people who went out and bought Rumours went out and bought any other FM albums? Probably very few. Had WB put a commercial for Stevie's album on there tho, it would have definitely increased the sales. People aren't not buying Stevie's new album because they didn't like TISL, they aren't buying it because they don't even know about it. Singles are promotion, and WB lack of releasing anymore is clear evidence that Stevie needs to give them the boot.

I wonder that too, until I realized that buying airtime for a commercial for Glee would of a cost a small fortune. Still, they should of found some way of tie it in. Fleetwood Mac's greatest hits also sold a lot of copies.

Not all singles are positive promotions. A lot of people hear the first single and assume its the best song on the album. If they don't like it, they blow off the album. I just think Secret Love is more for her fans and the rest of the world is not loving it.

Alot of people do know about the album and are not buying it by the way. I've been on twitter and typed in keywords and have been on facebook. The moonlight thing really has not taken off. I remember being in a club when TISL was just out and there were people talking about the album and the overwhelming consensus was MISSED OPPORTUNITY. People were expecting her to pull a Tina Turner and that album had no REAL hits. Had she put this album out then, I'm sure it would of done a lot better than TISL and maybe gotten a lot more knew fans eagerly awaiting her next album.

People don't really know what they are going to get with her. At the Las Vegas show Stevie told the audience "Please give my new CD a chance. I think you will like it.". I wish people would.

[HejiraNYC]

I am looking forward to tonight's DWTS appearance with great anticipation. Not only because, hullo, it's Stevie frickin' Nicks! More than anything, it's because this is the make-or-break point for Stevie and this new album. There isn't a larger public platform in the entire country, perhaps the world, for presenting one's music. This is it. This appearance will either resonate strongly with the world and IYD will surge in popularity, or it will do absolutely nothing to stanch the loss of sales over time. And if it really does nothing, then it's game over for this album. And perhaps it may be game over for Stevie's mainstream popularity as well. It is important for people who have not seen/heard from Stevie in many years to be reminded that she is still making terrific music and that she is still an engaging, charismatic vocalist. Given her recent health issues and her erratic live television performance as of late, as much as I hate to admit this, I wish there was a way her performance could be pre-taped or lip synched. There is absolutely too much to lose and everything to gain with this performance. I honestly believe that "Secret Love" does have mainstream hit potential and that if she can sound at least as good as she does on the CD, then it will go over very, very well. I am hoping that Dave Stewart is being called in to help tweak the live arrangement; I have always thought it sounded a little dissonant and flat to me.

[TrueFaith77]

Secret Love was a disastrous choice of lead single.

Also, Stevie cares... a lot. Desperation was palpable as she thanked Ellen for the opportunity to push her album and how important it was for her that the album sells. And, by the way, I agree with Stevie (though perhaps for different reasons). I believe that the the popularity of this album is essential for any hope of civilization cotinuing.

[blinker12]

I think it's become an expectation -- almost a cliche -- that older rock/country acts reinvent themselves as roots acts to receive widespread attention. It's like the public and rock critics expect musicians, once they reach 60, to strip away all pretense, use minimal instrumentation and sing in a gravelly voice about redemption. Think Marianne Faithfull, Johnny Cash in the Rick Rubin years (and to some extent Neil Diamond, also working with Rubin), Dolly Parton's latest stuff or Loretta Lynn's album with Jack White. Remember that one reviewer that said Stevie should have sung about hard-learned lessons from her past or whatever? That's what I'm talking about.

Stevie is flouting that expectation by releasing a glossy, very produced album (and lead single) that's clearly looking for pop relevance. It's certainly her right to do so, but I think most people don't buy it. I'm not saying whether that's right or wrong. Just the way it seems to be. And that's part of why I think she should release "For What It's Worth" as her next single - it's the most real song on the album.

[Aussie W/Heart]

I think the reason why she doesn't sell so well, is because WB's seem to release mostly the wrong opening singles, i remember hearing Everyday on video hits back in 2001, that song was so bland, dull & boring.. What were they thinking??? so i didn't bother buying that Album TISL, until i discovered the Ledge in 2009, after hearing so many positive comments, i then purchased TISL which is a great album. If only they released perhaps TISL as the first single then POTU after that would of been a much better choice.. Now speaking of IYDs, Secret Love is a good song & i love it, but casual fans or potential new fans obviously have not been blown away with it, so the earlier they release Moonlight or whatever, the better chance the Album will stay highish on the charts a lot longer.

[AliceLover]

I think the album version of Secret Love is ten times better than the live version. On the album the track is magical, mysterious, and infectious. The live version just doesn't cut the cheese.

[markolas]

I think the album version of Secret Love is ten times better than the live version. On the album the track is magical, mysterious, and infectious. The live version just doesn't cut the cheese.

You're mixing up your metaphors - it's "cut the mustard" - cut the cheese means something different. :p

[bluefox4000]

I will say that I agree....Single choices have been appalling. Secret Love is rather bland and never grabbed me. And CTF...it was like holy sh*tballs, not again. Luckily Those 2 were the weakest tracks on a wonderful album. unfortunately those tracks won't do any favors for public interest....if they want to move units

Mick

[Fleetwoodmark]

I will say that I agree....Single choices have been appalling. Secret Love is rather bland and never grabbed me. And CTF...it was like holy sh*tballs, not again. Luckily Those 2 were the weakest tracks on a wonderful album. unfortunately those tracks won't do any favors for public interest....if they want to move units

Mick

Absolutely.

The two weakest tracks are the two singles.

[kak125]

ahh if only we could get in touch with stevie's pr people and tell them what to do. seriously we all do a better job at promotion by posting info on fb and twitter than her damm label does. ridiculous!

[TrueFaith77]

Absolutely.

The two weakest tracks are the two singles.

Why didn't they release a new single a week or two before the album release?

The following all have obvs single potential (even some could use a radio edit ;) ):

in your dreams
moonlight
annabel lee
everybody loves you
ghosts are gone


Plus any of the above lend themselves to remixing or guest spots (yes, even by a rapper) that are typical of single releases these days.

Also, a real REAL music video director might have done something interesting with these songs (each of which lend themselves to evocative visuals--these songs have sweep).

Also, when I make my ten fav singles lists of the year, I always find I list uptempo songs and then maybe a ballad or two if they make me cry. If any of the above were released as a single, they'd be my favorite single of the year (currently it's either "Alphaville" by Bryan Ferry or "Together" by the Pet Shop Boys). "Secret Love," meanwhile, doesn't make my current Top 10 of the year--as much as I truly do love that song.

Secret Love has zero potential. The proof is in the pudding.

I'll admit my recommendations are all conjecture coloured by my tastes.

ahh if only we could get in touch with stevie's pr people and tell them what to do. seriously we all do a better job at promotion by posting info on fb and twitter than her damm label does. ridiculous!

A better job than Annabel Lee!? :lol:

;)

[kak125]

A better job than Annabel Lee!? :lol:

;)

lol of course -ha! Annabel Lee has been really slacking on twitter. lol if that was me i would be on fb and twitter every 2 seconds trying to get the word out. i would pay for my own advertisements if i had to but thats just my 2 cents. its not like stevie cant afford it!

[njova]

Releasing Secret Love as the first single followed by Cheaper Than Free was absolutely the stupidest thing to do especially for an artist like Stevie. Why would you put out the weakest songs when you're trying to sell records, I think she should've put out In Your Dreams first followed by Moonlight and then Annabel Lee all within a 3 month period leading up to her album's release. Her continuously singing Secret Love or any of her old hits on TV is going to do absolutely Jack S*** for sales.

[kak125]

she didnt fall too far. hits daily double final numbers.
she could move up a few spots when the billboard charts is up

17 STEVIE NICKS REPRISE 20,055 -57%
IN YOUR DREAMS

38 FLEETWOOD MAC WARNER BROS. 12,072 -56%
RUMOURS

[HejiraNYC]

she didnt fall too far. hits daily double final numbers.
she could move up a few spots when the billboard charts is up

17 STEVIE NICKS REPRISE 20,055 -57%
IN YOUR DREAMS

38 FLEETWOOD MAC WARNER BROS. 12,072 -56%
RUMOURS

At this rate, she may still be in the Top 10. At just over half reported, she is on target to have moved another 35-40K copies this week. That's not bad at all! At this rate she may hit 100K in sales by the end of the month.

[kak125]

At this rate, she may still be in the Top 10. At just over half reported, she is on target to have moved another 35-40K copies this week. That's not bad at all! At this rate she may hit 100K in sales by the end of the month.

those are the final numbers
the -57% and -56% is how far both cd's have fallen this week.

[HejiraNYC]

those are the final numbers

Then why does it say 57% next to it? :shrug:

[kak125]

Then why does it say 57% next to it? :shrug:

sorry about that. hdd has a column that lists the percentage change from last week.

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi

[TrueFaith77]

Then why does it say 57% next to it? :shrug:

It sold -57% of what it sold last week.

[Richard B]

Eh, I knew she would debut well...she's got a lot of fans! I think her drop is probably in about the right area. DWTS will boost this. I think more of her sales come from physical media (CD) rather than digital as she is still doing well on amazon.com (CD).

Paul Simon's new release is now creeping up the charts after an initial slow start and he's hardly had much marketing (that I've seen).

[AnthonyMI]

Eh, I knew she would debut well...she's got a lot of fans! I think her drop is probably in about the right area. DWTS will boost this. I think more of her sales come from physical media (CD) rather than digital as she is still doing well on amazon.com (CD).

Paul Simon's new release is now creeping up the charts after an initial slow start and he's hardly had much marketing (that I've seen).


NBC (pretty much the only channel my TV gets) has had a Paul Simon commercial with critical reviews of the album over him lip-syncing at least twice every morning while I watch the morning news between 6:45Am and 7:15AM.

I think it would be perfect if WB did the same for stevies album now over pieces of the filmed songs and snippets of Soundstage.

[HejiraNYC]

Eh, I knew she would debut well...she's got a lot of fans! I think her drop is probably in about the right area. DWTS will boost this. I think more of her sales come from physical media (CD) rather than digital as she is still doing well on amazon.com (CD).

Paul Simon's new release is now creeping up the charts after an initial slow start and he's hardly had much marketing (that I've seen).

He was on Saturday Night Live last week. I have to admit that his new songs do absolutely nothing for me.

[Richard B]

NBC (pretty much the only channel my TV gets) has had a Paul Simon commercial with critical reviews of the album over him lip-syncing at least twice every morning while I watch the morning news between 6:45Am and 7:15AM.

I think it would be perfect if WB did the same for stevies album now over pieces of the filmed songs and snippets of Soundstage.

Wow! I'm so unplugged from the world in my LA bubble.
They should do a spot for IYD, for sure and include pieces from the sizzle reel.

He was on Saturday Night Live last week. I have to admit that his new songs do absolutely nothing for me.

There's my LA bubble again.

I bought his album first day. I love me some Paul Simon, his album Surprise I really enjoy, but I admit to also enjoying this new album. I don't like the Christmas song he recorded last year opening the album, but it is a interesting album overall. Still learning about it though as I am obsessed with IYD right now.

Speaking of new releases, Moby just released an amazing album today, Destroyed. Although listening to it this morning...I was tempted to go back to my morning listen of IYD.

[Jondalar]

she didnt fall too far. hits daily double final numbers.
she could move up a few spots when the billboard charts is up

17 STEVIE NICKS REPRISE 20,055 -57%
IN YOUR DREAMS

38 FLEETWOOD MAC WARNER BROS. 12,072 -56%
RUMOURS

according to hits daily double, thos are with 100% in, so she finishes at #17

[kak125]

according to hits daily double, thos are with 100% in, so she finishes at #17

yep as in the post stevie is at 17 and fm is at 38.

[Josh2003]

I really, really do not understand the people who say that "Secret Love" was a horrible single and that In Your Dreams could have done better had a different song been selected as the lead single. On what could anybody be basing that? Nothing but pure speculation.

She debuted at #6, which is quite respectable. They certainly did something right to get her to that point. It's entirely plausible that lots of people bought the CD *because* "Secret Love" was the lead single.

[DoubtfulMiracle]

Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but IYD debuted at #24 on the Australian ARIA Albums Chart this week, and at #18 on the Digital Albums Chart.

I have no idea what are good and bad numbers, so let's call these respectable :lol:

But seriously, given that I've seen virtually no promotion of this album anywhere (where's Molly when you need him?), I think it is a pretty decent effort.

[Morgana]

OH MY GAWD.......this morning I was shocked to hear Secret Love on the local radio station on the way into work! :blob1: I about drove off the road I was so amazed. I live in a very rural area in south central Virginia which has a very "rural minded" radio station! Wow........knocked my socks off! Thats a good thing for a backwoods radio station to play Stevies new song...promotion, promotion, promotion!

[tabruns]

Josh2003: I sort of feel the same way. I think "Secret Love" is a great song. I can see why they went with it as a single. I think "Secret Love"'s slow climb up the AC chart is partially what makes people think that another song might have made a bigger splash.

I think where other people are coming from is that they see a lot of other songs on IYD which are as amazing or perhaps more so (depends on one's point of view of course). I can see some of this point of view:

"In Your Dreams" might have been a better first single because it's uptempo and very catchy.

"Moonlight" might have been a better first single because it's widely cited as one of the best (by many people THE best) song on the album. And it's very "Mystical Nicks" in style.

Those two songs get cited most often by people as either "shoulda been first single" or "should be released NOW". Lots of other songs on the album get cited as well but not in terms of mass appeal like those two.

For me, "Secret Love" was a good first single and now that the video is out and Stevie has been performing it (on Ellen, in concert and soon on Dancing With The Stars), the song has been slowly moving upwards on the AC chart. I don't think Stevie or the record company are going to release a new single while "Secret Love" is still climbing. I also believe that they are going for a long sustained 'slow burn' in sales. Hopefully Nicks will tour to support this album, WB will release at least two more singles off of it, and the eventual release of the Stewart-produced movie will goose sales as well.

[Morgana]

Josh2003: I sort of feel the same way. I think "Secret Love" is a great song. I can see why they went with it as a single. I think "Secret Love"'s slow climb up the AC chart is partially what makes people think that another song might have made a bigger splash.

I think where other people are coming from is that they see a lot of other songs on IYD which are as amazing or perhaps more so (depends on one's point of view of course). I can see some of this point of view:

"In Your Dreams" might have been a better first single because it's uptempo and very catchy.

"Moonlight" might have been a better first single because it's widely cited as one of the best (by many people THE best) song on the album. And it's very "Mystical Nicks" in style.

Those two songs get cited most often by people as either "shoulda been first single" or "should be released NOW". Lots of other songs on the album get cited as well but not in terms of mass appeal like those two.

For me, "Secret Love" was a good first single and now that the video is out and Stevie has been performing it (on Ellen, in concert and soon on Dancing With The Stars), the song has been slowly moving upwards on the AC chart. I don't think Stevie or the record company are going to release a new single while "Secret Love" is still climbing. I also believe that they are going for a long sustained 'slow burn' in sales. Hopefully Nicks will tour to support this album, WB will release at least two more singles off of it, and the eventual release of the Stewart-produced movie will goose sales as well.

I can hear Mick now telling Stevie to tour in true Mac form/fashion. Mick always believed in touring to promote albums. Back in the day poor Stevie & Chris had to tour the country riding in rented station wagons and sleeping on top of what they could find to support the White Album. And it was that tour back then that rose FM up entered into stardom and Rumours that sealed it!

Stevie isn't a spring chicken anymore so touring may be rough for her if she pushes herself too much. In my humble SN opinion it seems to me she may not because she said she doesn't care if it sell or not....etc. She did it for herself and what she believes in, not the record companies. I hope she will decide to tour. I've yet to see her in concert. With TIS I missed it because I had summer classes that yr working on my Masters when she came to Virginia Beach. Then FM didn't come near when we lived in Arkansas. Then I missed Unleashed last yr because they cancelled Greensboro and never rescheduled. And with Rockin Rod they didn't come near NC/VA. So it would be great to see her in concert or FM for that matter.

[krrrby]

I thought this was worth mentioning to those who haven't noticed...

I went to billboard's site and clicked on her album - and it showed me other places she was charting which were impressive...

#6 - Billboard 200
#3 - Rock Albums
#7 - Digital Albums
#22 - Canadian Albums
#5 - Tastemaker Albums

[GoldDustOrphan]

These screen shots were taken at about 2 a.m. this morning (May 19. )

On-line retailers front page: Music:

Amazon:

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Barnes & Noble:

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Borders

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[Jondalar]

I really, really do not understand the people who say that "Secret Love" was a horrible single and that In Your Dreams could have done better had a different song been selected as the lead single. On what could anybody be basing that? Nothing but pure speculation.

She debuted at #6, which is quite respectable. They certainly did something right to get her to that point. It's entirely plausible that lots of people bought the CD *because* "Secret Love" was the lead single.

Secret Love is a nice song, but after hearing the album its not even one of the best cuts. Everyone here who has followed Stevie's career knows the way she works. Secret Love is one of the easiest songs for Stevie Sing, it gave her some talking points and that is why it was probably chosen.

Both Dave's didn't seem enthused that it was chosen. In the end, it was Stevie's call and she is good at making decisions for the wrong reasons. In Your Dreams, Moonlight, Italian Summer might be a little hard for her to do night after night. Honestly, at this stage of the game who cares if she has to do the songs live. She has basically cancelled her tour. She didn't perform any of other songs her last concert. She needs to put her best foot forward.

There has to be some surprise with this album. In Your Dreams or Cheaper than Free have to be picked up by country stations. The A/C thing isn't going to sale albums. Country plays videos. Moonlight is going to have to catch on with Twilight fans and Italian Summer is going to have to catch on with romantics or maybe the housewives of New Jersey.

If this were the 80s or early 90s I would say You May Be One and Everybody Loves You would be definite hits. Infact, You May Be One is the song I keep coming back too. No one however seems to be jumping on Stevie's bandwagon.

I really think the only way she has a chance for a TOP 40 hit is through sales from iTunes singles chart. Radio does not like her anymore.

[GoldDustOrphan]

Has there been any confirmation about who/what/when/why " Secret Love" was selected as IYD's first single? If not, I don't think its worthwhile to base criticisms on the assumption that Stevie chose "Secret Love" as the lead single, never mind chose it because it's easy to sing. Warner Music Group's methodology is to employ focus groups, polling (i.e. ratethemusic surveys, etc.), and programmer feedback to identify the track with the most widespread listener appeal. "Secret Love" benefits from its length (3:15) because AC/Triple A/Top 40 formats are not receptive to songs that run past the 4 minute mark. (Eight tracks are over 5 minutes long, two are 4+ min; Secret, title track and Cheaper Than Free, under 4 mins.

[APerfectLie]

I really, really do not understand the people who say that "Secret Love" was a horrible single and that In Your Dreams could have done better had a different song been selected as the lead single. On what could anybody be basing that? Nothing but pure speculation.

She debuted at #6, which is quite respectable. They certainly did something right to get her to that point. It's entirely plausible that lots of people bought the CD *because* "Secret Love" was the lead single.

I don't think Secret Love was by any means a bad single. I just think it is definitely time for a new single to be released. Even artists who are current and have huge followings release at least two singles by the end of the week the album debuts. Stevie doesn't have the massive audience to ride out a single for months.

[Jondalar]

Has there been any confirmation about who/what/when/why " Secret Love" was selected as IYD's first single? If not, I don't think its worthwhile to base criticisms on the assumption that Stevie chose "Secret Love" as the lead single, never mind chose it because it's easy to sing. Warner Music Group's methodology is to employ focus groups, polling (i.e. ratethemusic surveys, etc.), and programmer feedback to identify the track with the most widespread listener appeal. "Secret Love" benefits from its length (3:15) because AC/Triple A/Top 40 formats are not receptive to songs that run past the 4 minute mark. (Eight tracks are over 5 minutes long, two are 4+ min; Secret, title track and Cheaper Than Free, under 4 mins.

IYD is just under 4 minutes, and I can't believe they didn't hear the potential of that song, and yes, it is fair to assume that what is happened, since she refuses to do songs in her sets that are hard for her to sing and she had to promote a single. It's not a bad song all, infact, its interesting, but there are way better singles off this album. She chose the standard, repeat chorus, safe to sing song. I'm sure she pulled the I can't do that live all the time to Warners. Was Secret Love even given to Top 40 formats? Was Cheaper then Free ever given to country stations? It doesn't matter I guess.

They might have to chop a minute off Italian Summer or Moonlight and make them tighter. Italian Summer repeats too much anyway. A lot of the songs can be cut down. I'm just wondering if radio is really receptive.

P.S. Steven Tyler new single is #35 on the Hot 100 this week. He sold 77,000 copies of it digitally and it premiered in the top 40. Now its going back down the charts.

[Jondalar]

stevie album dropped to #16, which actually is decent

[tabruns]

stevie album dropped to #16, which actually is decent

Yes, that shows some staying power.

[Jondalar]

I can't believe how low album sales are getting. It's pretty pathetic. You can probably sale 2k a week and still be in the top 200. Really terrible.

[AnthonyMI]

With Pandora and XM radio, who really NEEDS a record collection when there is pre-progamability of music you like?

[Jondalar]

With Pandora and XM radio, who really NEEDS a record collection when there is pre-progamability of music you like?

what exactly is Pandora and XM radio

[Bandon]

Has there been any confirmation about who/what/when/why " Secret Love" was selected as IYD's first single? If not, I don't think its worthwhile to base criticisms on the assumption that Stevie chose "Secret Love" as the lead single, never mind chose it because it's easy to sing. Warner Music Group's methodology is to employ focus groups, polling (i.e. ratethemusic surveys, etc.), and programmer feedback to identify the track with the most widespread listener appeal. "Secret Love" benefits from its length (3:15) because AC/Triple A/Top 40 formats are not receptive to songs that run past the 4 minute mark. (Eight tracks are over 5 minutes long, two are 4+ min; Secret, title track and Cheaper Than Free, under 4 mins.

Who's to say edited versions of other tracks were not sent out for feedback? Anyway any of the tracks can be edited for singles, it's been done for years and years.

[StandbackStevie]

I am thinking Annabel Lee would be a great next single for pop/rock adult contempary stations. I think I hope we see a tour if not I am alright lucky we got a new album I have a feeling though she will not tour with this album.

[mikephxaz]

what exactly is Pandora and XM radio

Pandora is incredible!!! Its a great way to learn about new artist while still enjoying our favorites....Put in Fleetwood Mac and Stevie Nicks as your preferences and then Pandora starts introducing you to new artists that relate to your original preferences...before you know it you have discovered Florance & the Machine!...its a great way for those of us who are stuck with our oldies but goodies to discover artists that have a similar vibe to our favorites!

[tz5632]

Hi there and greetings from Germany :)

Stevie Nicks made a Top40 debut in the German album charts - that's her best position since TOSOTM, which was (kind of) big in Germany.

Just for your information :)

Tschoe
Tobi

[kak125]

the numbers for you iyd this week so far with 54.98% of the sales now in.
http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi

28 STEVIE NICKS REPRISE 6,613
IN YOUR DREAMS

[Musicman408]

the numbers for you iyd this week so far with 54.98% of the sales now in.
http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi

28 STEVIE NICKS REPRISE 6,613
IN YOUR DREAMS

I was hoping DWTS might push it pack up into the top 10. Guess not! :(

[HejiraNYC]

So it does look like she is close to moving 100K copies within the first month. That's pretty good considering that, aside from a couple of disastrous television performances, she really hasn't been out there promoting the album aggressively. On its current trajectory, perhaps it will move 150K by the end of the summer. I'd like to think that one track will catch fire and become a breakout hit, but that's wishful thinking; WB has pretty much sat on its hands yet again.

[Etisl]

So it does look like she is close to moving 100K copies within the first month. That's pretty good considering that, aside from a couple of disastrous television performances, she really hasn't been out there promoting the album aggressively. On its current trajectory, perhaps it will move 150K by the end of the summer. I'd like to think that one track will catch fire and become a breakout hit, but that's wishful thinking; WB has pretty much sat on its hands yet again.

You know....she is actually doing pretty well. I was looking at Amazon.com today for the top 100 in all music to see where she compared to Jennifer Lopez's new CD....which has been heavily promoted and was released the same day.... and it's all pretty much the same comparison, even on Itunes as well.

Stevie Nicks - In Your Dreams #7
Jennifer Lopez - Love #80

Even Rumours is like at #40 on the top 100 for Amazon. So considering they are not pushing IYD heavily, she is still doing better....than others, Even Britney's newest CD is like at #56.....

[kak125]

stevie did pretty good this week!!

23 STEVIE NICKS REPRISE 15,673 -22%
IN YOUR DREAMS

[Musicman408]

stevie did pretty good this week!!

23 STEVIE NICKS REPRISE 15,673 -22%
IN YOUR DREAMS

Not bad, but I feel like there could be some major movement if they would flipping release In Your Dreams as a single!!! Country radio would eat it up.

[kak125]

Not bad, but I feel like there could be some major movement if they would flipping release In Your Dreams as a single!!! Country radio would eat it up.

it is a good song!! i think at this point they need to put something new out there. not sure what the hold up is.

[KarmaContestant]

it is a good song!! i think at this point they need to put something new out there.

Moonlight - and even though Dave's video is bound to be great, a cameo appearance by Robert Pattinson and that girl, whatever her name is, would make the video and the song a smashing success.

[Musicman408]

Moonlight - and even though Dave's video is bound to be great, a cameo appearance by Robert Pattinson and that girl, whatever her name is, would make the video and the song a smashing success.

Yes it would. I think it was youtube or something that had a video of the audio from this song, with a Twilight background or something, and it had a lot more views than the other versions of the same posted song!

[TrueFaith77]

Moonlight - and even though Dave's video is bound to be great, a cameo appearance by Robert Pattinson and that girl, whatever her name is, would make the video and the song a smashing success.

or a newer, hotter pair.

...like Aimee Teegarden & Thomas McDonell :o

or some combo of the Kaboom! kids:

Haley Bennett & Chris Zylka & Roxane Mesquida & Juno Temple & Andy Fischer-Price & Nicole LaLiberte & Brennan Mejia

...or the hottest two people in movies today: Steven Strait & Megan Fox <------------the we of me!

[KarmaContestant]

or a newer, hotter pair.

...like Aimee Teegarden & Thomas McDonell :o

I have to admit I don't know who they are. :cool: I just thought that since Stevie has been so public about Twilight being the source of inspiration to finish Lady From The Mountain, it would make sense to put the stars of the show and the subjects of her song in the video.

[TrueFaith77]

I have to admit I don't know who they are. :cool: I just thought that since Stevie has been so public about Twilight being the source of inspiration to finish Lady From The Mountain, it would make sense to put the stars of the show and the subjects of her song in the video.

I know I know. I'm just disgusted by what Twilight has become (I actually think they ARE good actors, however, especially her). Part of the beneficent spirit of the first Twilight movie was in the discovery of these new stars. So I'd prefer Stevie's video also be done in that style (besides: Steven Strait LOOKS like Lindsey).

[Macfanforever]

At this point,I really dont care which IYD tunes gets release as a single.I just want to see her get on to the charts.

[Bandon]

Hits Daily Double predicts IYD will fall out of the top 50 album charts this week. How far down the charts is not clear, but hopefully not into the musical abyss. :(

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi

[kak125]

hits daily double chart is now in.

48 STEVIE NICKS REPRISE 9,529
IN YOUR DREAMS

[Macfanforever]

I dont know which thread to post this in.But today I was at my local grocery store cashing out.ShopRite has tv monitors at the cashout lines to promote their stuff and also give news and promote upcoming tv network programming.Today the played a minute clip from VH1 news about Stevie's IYD cd.I did not grasp what Stevie said .but she was probably taking about being happy about her new cd.Thats great She is geting promoted in grocery stores now.I have not seen her on Walmart TV and B.J"s tv yet.I caught Adele on B.J"s TV last week.I have no idea what Target plays on their tv displays.I hope people see this and go buy her cd.

[mitzo]

So total is in the 70K range after 4 weeks?

[tabruns]

I think it was 88,000+ after three weeks, so with this week's sales it will probably go over 100,000.

[mitzo]

100,ooo in a month is excellent in today's music market. Plus overseas sales. Way to go!

[Christopher]

So 1st month sales for In Your Dreams are approximately:
1st week @52,000 -Billboard Album #6
2nd week @22,000 -BillBoard Album #16
3rd week @16,000 -Billboard Album #24
4th week @10,000 -Billboard Album #47

I think IYD sales thus far (Over 100K) are very respectable for a veteran female pop/rock artist. Stevie sold just around where I anticipated she would during her 1st week, though I was hoping for a better 2nd week showing. I would be very curious to know what WBR was projecting for IYD, and if they and Stevie are happy with her sales at this point?

In comparison to her peers around the same age group with new releases, Stevie is doing much better than Emmylou Harris' "Hard Bargain" which debuted at #18 and is barely in the Top 200 albums in it's 5th week & The Cars long anticipated new release back w. Ric Ocasek "Move Like This" debuted at #7 with only@20K+ in 1st week sales and fell to #29 in its 2nd week to #43 in its 3rd week. The only veteran artist to be doing better ever so slightly is Paul Simon's "So Beautiful Or So What" - out 3 weeks longer than Stevie, but he seems to be having more consistent sustainable sales week to week.

At this rate Stevie is on track to sell at a minimum (150K) which is what other female singer songwriter rock/pop peers such as Sheryl Crow & Melissa Etheridge latest 2010 releases sold. But probably not do as well as Sarah McLachlan's "Laws of Illusion" which has sold over 280K in the US (though Sarah is far more entrenched in the adult contemporary world) whereas rock music has seen more of a steep decline in sales. Does anyone know what Hearts "Red Velvet Car" has sold?

If Stevie could get over the 200K hump I think IYD would be considered a big success sales-wise by the Industry. I just hope WBR is planning on a new single with a possible tie-in to dance remixes where Stevie has had crossover successful on the charts beginning with POTU(2001), Dreams (2006) and Stand Back in 2007. Overall I think IYD has performed thus far and would not be considered a commercial failure, but hopefully WBR & Stevie have some tricks up their sleeves so that IYD will continue to sell throughout the year. The biggest recent commercial failure by a female rock act was Holes' "Nobody's Daughter" which only sold 33K in total sales in it's 3rd week (then slipped into the abyss) - and that's with Courtney heavily promoting it, even going on shows like "The View" in doing so.

[tabruns]

Before it dropped off the Hot 200 altogether Heart's "Red Velvet Car" had sold somewhere around 55,000. Albums do continue to sell after they drop off the Hot 200 of course, albeit slowly....so I don't really know what it's at now. 60,000 perhaps?

With "Trouble In Shangri-La" Nicks had hit around 180,000 after 2 weeks and that album ended up going Gold at about the 6 week point. I think "In Your Dreams" will definitely top 200,000 eventually since it's at 100,000 after 4 weeks. In order to go Gold it would probably have to sell close to 300,000 - As we've seen with "Street Angel" an album can be certified Gold even if SoundScan sales numbers are less. In the case of "Street Angel" I think the SoundScan sales numbers were 230,000 but we know that the album was certified Gold.

I do think several more promotional singles should be rotated off the album after "Soldier's Angel", particularly "Moonlight".

[GoldDustOrphan]

Aretha Franklin's first album of original material in eight years ( "A Woman Falling Out of Love") was also released on May 3.

She did the talk show circuit, performed a (terrible) new song and if time allowed, "Respect." She was partnered with Walmart.

The Queen of Soul proved to be no match for the Queen of Rock. Aretha debuted at #54, selling a mere 10, 070 copies and 13,500 copies to date.

[HejiraNYC]

Aretha Franklin's first album of original material in eight years ( "A Woman Falling Out of Love") was also released on May 3.

She did the talk show circuit, performed a (terrible) new song and if time allowed, "Respect." She was partnered with Walmart.

The Queen of Soul proved to be no match for the Queen of Rock. Aretha debuted at #54, selling a mere 10, 070 copies and 13,500 copies to date.

Ironically one of Aretha's best selling albums (ever?) was Who's Zoomin' Who?, which was co-produced by Dave Stewart. Looks like she needs some of that Dave Stewart magic again.

[GoldDustOrphan]

I was surprised to discover that Aretha doesn't have a great track record where album sales are concerned, but she has sold millions of singles. I saw her for the first time last year at Boston's Wang Center (3,50o capacity) and it was 65% full. Dull show. Didn't even stay for the encore.

[kak125]

just saw the billboard chart for this week and IYD is at #47 so its a spot up from where hits daily double had it.

http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/billboard-200?begin=41&order=position

[kak125]

so far with 54.02% in at hits daily double IYD has only fallen 1 spot since last week.

49 STEVIE NICKS REPRISE 2,886
IN YOUR DREAMS

[kak125]

so Stevie fell off the Hits Daily Double radar this week so I have no idea how many cd's she sold but she is now at #59 on the billboard charts.
rumours is at #178.

[Bryan]

It hasn't performed particularly well in all to date..considering ''who'' she is.I mean,her sales are good enough for me to consider it a success but industry types..casual fans,blah blah and all that I think they would see this as a flop. They NEED a video out and a song on radio NOW.Otherwise it's just gonna sink even more.
It's released in the United Kingdom this month let's see how that goes.

[skuncles]

Keep in mind album sales suck all around these days. In fact the industry is selling HALF of what they sold a decade ago. This explains how Stevie's previous albums sold more but charted lower. This age of being able to download pretty much ANY album for free has taken a HUGE bite out of sales.
Stevie sold 50,000 copies her first week. Not bad for an artist who's peak was thirty years ago and hasn't a new album out in a decade. In contrast the #2 album last week was Brad Paisley's "This Is Country Music" which sold something like 120,000 copies and this is a guy who is riding his wave now.
If you look at the other classic artists on the chart now, The Cars, Paul Simon, Steve Miller etc, Stevie is selling right along with these people, she's actually doing better.

[RockALittle250]

Keep in mind album sales suck all around these days. In fact the industry is selling HALF of what they sold a decade ago. This explains how Stevie's previous albums sold more but charted lower. This age of being able to download pretty much ANY album for free has taken a HUGE bite out of sales.
Stevie sold 50,000 copies her first week. Not bad for an artist who's peak was thirty years ago and hasn't a new album out in a decade. In contrast the #2 album last week was Brad Paisley's "This Is Country Music" which sold something like 120,000 copies and this is a guy who is riding his wave now.
If you look at the other classic artists on the chart now, The Cars, Paul Simon, Steve Miller etc, Stevie is selling right along with these people, she's actually doing better.

Exactly. Also, Stevie debuted at #6 with very little first week promotion. Jennifer Lopez, also riding her wave right now, debuted at #5 and promoted the hell out of her album and also had one of the biggest platforms in the world to do it...American Idol. So, Stevie is still holding her ground and topping the charts along with the contenders on the current music scene.

[GoldDustOrphan]

Only two albums have sold over a million copies this year (Adele's "21" and Lady Gaga's "Born This Way') and we are only a few weeks from the halfway point.
Katy Perry's album has been out for nearly a year and even with four number #1 songs, countless magazine covers, Grammy nominations, and sold out national tour, it has only moved 1.5 million units.
Adult Contemporary radio used to open its arms to music from artists over 50, but not any more. There's almost no difference between Top 40 and AC, where now you'll find Pink's "F**kin' Perfect" and CeeLow's "F**k You" in heavy rotation. I'm not kidding.
And check out some of the music message boards such as spillitnow or Flopofthepops, Pulse Boards, etc. These young internet saavy kids are also music biz saavy and they rally behind their faves and they go to war.

[Stevie's~Prince]

spillitnow or Flopofthepops, Pulse Boards, etc. These young internet saavy kids are also music biz saavy and they rally behind their faves and they go to war.

Haha! :laugh: Happened to be cruising FOTP this morning

:distress: SHAME! at me

[GoldDustOrphan]

These kids don't even call themselves "Fans," they've adopted the term "Stans,'" an obsessed stalkerish fan taken from the Eminem song "Stan" where he stalks and kills his wife. "Stanning" is the active form, which is any kind of action that relates to the promotion or advocacy for a performer or belittling the standing of another performer. These kids would cut off a hand before they posted a negative word about their personal favorites. Some of it is hilarious, but this kind of online activity is results is trending topics, etc.

[Jondalar]

Only two albums have sold over a million copies this year (Adele's "21" and Lady Gaga's "Born This Way') and we are only a few weeks from the halfway point.
Katy Perry's album has been out for nearly a year and even with four number #1 songs, countless magazine covers, Grammy nominations, and sold out national tour, it has only moved 1.5 million units.
Adult Contemporary radio used to open its arms to music from artists over 50, but not any more. There's almost no difference between Top 40 and AC, where now you'll find Pink's "F**kin' Perfect" and CeeLow's "F**k You" in heavy rotation. I'm not kidding.
And check out some of the music message boards such as spillitnow or Flopofthepops, Pulse Boards, etc. These young internet saavy kids are also music biz saavy and they rally behind their faves and they go to war.

yeah, I have noticed that. The music business is doing only around half of what it did 10 years ago. TISL sold 109k the first week, and IYD sales 52k which is just like the music business. I think in a few years IYD may get up to 300k which is half of what TISL did. Unless, she pull a miracle. And it looks like there is no second single and the promotion has stopped, including the tour.

[GoldDustOrphan]

Promotion hasn't stopped. There are new magazine articles landing every week (in the past ten days national glossy mags Nylon, Bazzaar, Jalouse, & More) gay glossy Next has her on the cover, a flood of on-line interviews; the Glamour event & red carpet shots will keep offering dividends;

BBC Radio just A-Listed "Secret Love," which means its going to receive the same amount spins as new singles by Adele and Coldplay on the top radio station in the U.K. B & C list songs receive lesser rotation.

http://www.eurythmics.me.uk/2011/06/10/stevie-nickss-single-secret-love-with-has-been-radio-2-playlisted-on-the-a-list-from-saturday/

Another single is coming. There will be a tour. She's outselling Aretha Franklin's new album - released the same day as IYD - 5 to 1. IYD has already outsold the last two efforts each from Pat Benatar, Heart, Tori Amos, Cyndi Lauper, Deborah Harry, Linda Ronstadt, Joan Jett, etc.

Lead editor on the documentary Shane McLafferty - he actually directed "Cheaper Than Free" and was lead editor on "Secret Love" - is juggling Dave's documentary and Stevie's, which is now being augmented by the Wiltern Show. The cancelled NY show was to be filmed for inclusion. It's cancellation threw off the schedule.

On the remix front, Tracy Young might just have some good news for me when I see her on Sunday. Her remixes of "Planets" and "Stand Back" appeared on the commercially released singles.

[KarmaContestant]

Promotion hasn't stopped. There are new magazine articles landing every week (in the past ten days national glossy mags Nylon, Bazzaar, Jalouse, & More) gay glossy Next has her on the cover, a flood of on-line interviews; the Glamour event & red carpet shots will keep offering dividends;

BBC Radio just A-Listed "Secret Love," which means its going to receive the same amount spins as new singles by Adele and Coldplay on the top radio station in the U.K. B & C list songs receive lesser rotation.

http://www.eurythmics.me.uk/2011/06/10/stevie-nickss-single-secret-love-with-has-been-radio-2-playlisted-on-the-a-list-from-saturday/

Another single is coming. There will be a tour. She's outselling Aretha Franklin's new album - released the same day as IYD - 5 to 1. IYD has already outsold the last two efforts each from Pat Benatar, Heart, Tori Amos, Cyndi Lauper, Deborah Harry, Linda Ronstadt, Joan Jett, etc.

Lead editor on the documentary Shane McLafferty - he actually directed "Cheaper Than Free" and was lead editor on "Secret Love" - is juggling Dave's documentary and Stevie's, which is now being augmented by the Wiltern Show. The cancelled NY show was to be filmed for inclusion. It's cancellation threw off the schedule.

On the remix front, Tracy Young might just have some good news for me when I see her on Sunday. Her remixes of "Planets" and "Stand Back" appeared on the commercially released singles.

I love your optimism! :nod: Tracy Young remixes of any of the new material would be awesome.

[BombaySapphire3]

. She's outselling Aretha Franklin's new album - released the same day as IYD - 5 to 1. IYD has already outsold the last two efforts each from Pat Benatar, Heart, Tori Amos, Cyndi Lauper, Deborah Harry, Linda Ronstadt, Joan Jett, etc.
.

I'll buy all of this except for Tori Amos.Her cult is at least as strong as Stevie's .She has not had a really good album since Scarlett's Walk but I think even her outright duds like The Beekeeper had strong debuts on Billboard.Do you have sales firgures to back this up?

[daniellaaarisen]

Me: @DaveStewart Morning Dave! Can we expect another In Your Dreams single to drop sometime soon?

Dave: @daniellaaarisen not sure but I do know it's FAB !

[Jondalar]

Promotion hasn't stopped. There are new magazine articles landing every week (in the past ten days national glossy mags Nylon, Bazzaar, Jalouse, & More) gay glossy Next has her on the cover, a flood of on-line interviews; the Glamour event & red carpet shots will keep offering dividends;

BBC Radio just A-Listed "Secret Love," which means its going to receive the same amount spins as new singles by Adele and Coldplay on the top radio station in the U.K. B & C list songs receive lesser rotation.

http://www.eurythmics.me.uk/2011/06/10/stevie-nickss-single-secret-love-with-has-been-radio-2-playlisted-on-the-a-list-from-saturday/

Another single is coming. There will be a tour. She's outselling Aretha Franklin's new album - released the same day as IYD - 5 to 1. IYD has already outsold the last two efforts each from Pat Benatar, Heart, Tori Amos, Cyndi Lauper, Deborah Harry, Linda Ronstadt, Joan Jett, etc.

Lead editor on the documentary Shane McLafferty - he actually directed "Cheaper Than Free" and was lead editor on "Secret Love" - is juggling Dave's documentary and Stevie's, which is now being augmented by the Wiltern Show. The cancelled NY show was to be filmed for inclusion. It's cancellation threw off the schedule.

On the remix front, Tracy Young might just have some good news for me when I see her on Sunday. Her remixes of "Planets" and "Stand Back" appeared on the commercially released singles.

Did they have to choose Secret Love as the first single over there too? Surely, they could of chosen a different single.

[wheart]

Promotion hasn't stopped. Another single is coming. There will be a tour.

Really? What are they waiting for?

[skuncles]

There has got to be some reason for what is going on. The album was hyped, it came out and then NOTHING. Yes there are print interviews all over the place, but these were most likely all done right around the same time and are being spread out.
Stevie getting sick put the brakes on the whole New York, Today show thing, but that should have been just a bump in the road. At the start of the year Stevie had some doubts about heading out with Rod Stewart because of her own album/tour. I think most of us expected that as soon as the Rod tour ended she would "pack up her ribbons and bows and get back out on the road".
There has to be some reason to explain why the album is just seemingly being forgotten. Stevie has always toured for her albums, ALL of her albums, so I don't understand why this time around there's nothing. Even for "Street Angel" she made more appearences than is being done for IYD. Last August during her run of shows she said she'd be back next summer with a whole new album and new tour. So it seems as if she had every intention of going out. There has to be some major reason why everything is almost being abandoned. And no, it has nothing to do with the chart action of the album, she hated SA and still went thru the motions.

[cristochango]

I feel like possibly they are going to bank on promoting after the IYD doc is released, then start touring then... hopefully? :D

[GoldDustOrphan]

.Do you have sales firgures to back this up?

Tori Amos wishes she sold records like Stevie. It's probably why she recorded her own version of Landslide.
Tori does well as a touring act (3-4,000 capacity range), but she doesn't sell records anymore.

Current soundscan numbers, rounded up.

The Beekeeper (2005, 296,000 copies, highest Billboard rank #5)
American Doll Posse (2007, 152,000 copies, highest Billboard rank #5)
Abnormally Attracted to Sin (2009, 92,000 copies, highest Billboard rank #9)
Midwinter Graces (2009, 23,000 copies sold, highest Billboard Rank #66)
(A seasonal album, but it did have six or seven new Amos compositions)

Her next CD arrives in Sept on the Decca label.

From Billboard:
"Little Earthquakes" (1992; 1.9 million)
"Crucify" (EP) (1992; 420,000)
"Under the Pink" (1994; 1.4 million)
"Boys for Pele" (1996; 1 million)
"Hey Jupiter" (EP) (1996; 172,000)
"From the Choirgirl Hotel" (1998; 778,000)
"To Venus and Back" (1999; 458,000)
"Strange Little Girls" (2001; 395,000)
"Scarlet's Walk" (2002; 618,000)

[BombaySapphire3]

Tori Amos wishes she sold records like Stevie. It's probably why she recorded her own version of Landslide.
Tori does well as a touring act (3-4,000 capacity range), but she doesn't sell records anymore.

Current soundscan numbers, rounded up.

The Beekeeper (2005, 296,000 copies, highest Billboard rank #5)
American Doll Posse (2007, 152,000 copies, highest Billboard rank #5)
Abnormally Attracted to Sin (2009, 92,000 copies, highest Billboard rank #9)
Midwinter Graces (2009, 23,000 copies sold, highest Billboard Rank #66)
(A seasonal album, but it did have six or seven new Amos compositions)

Her next CD arrives in Sept on the Decca label.

From Billboard:
"Little Earthquakes" (1992; 1.9 million)
"Crucify" (EP) (1992; 420,000)
"Under the Pink" (1994; 1.4 million)
"Boys for Pele" (1996; 1 million)
"Hey Jupiter" (EP) (1996; 172,000)
"From the Choirgirl Hotel" (1998; 778,000)
"To Venus and Back" (1999; 458,000)
"Strange Little Girls" (2001; 395,000)
"Scarlet's Walk" (2002; 618,000)

Ah I forgot all about her "Christmas " album that does validate your statement if you include it..I do know that Tori has or had a much bigger following in the UK. than Stevie ever did solo so maybe her Euro sales are what is helping her keep her record contract.

[Bryan]

Tori Amos wishes she sold records like Stevie. It's probably why she recorded her own version of Landslide.
Tori does well as a touring act (3-4,000 capacity range), but she doesn't sell records anymore.

Current soundscan numbers, rounded up.

The Beekeeper (2005, 296,000 copies, highest Billboard rank #5)
American Doll Posse (2007, 152,000 copies, highest Billboard rank #5)
Abnormally Attracted to Sin (2009, 92,000 copies, highest Billboard rank #9)
Midwinter Graces (2009, 23,000 copies sold, highest Billboard Rank #66)
(A seasonal album, but it did have six or seven new Amos compositions)

Her next CD arrives in Sept on the Decca label.

From Billboard:
"Little Earthquakes" (1992; 1.9 million)
"Crucify" (EP) (1992; 420,000)
"Under the Pink" (1994; 1.4 million)
"Boys for Pele" (1996; 1 million)
"Hey Jupiter" (EP) (1996; 172,000)
"From the Choirgirl Hotel" (1998; 778,000)j
"To Venus and Back" (1999; 458,000)
"Strange Little Girls" (2001; 395,000)
"Scarlet's Walk" (2002; 618,000)


In defence of Tori she's been much more prolific and thoughtful toward fans,with albums every 2 years,and many tracks included.Her sales are bound to become less with more and more output,the casual fans aren't going to buy every album.

[BombaySapphire3]

In defence of Tori she's been much more prolific and thoughtful toward fans,with albums every 2 years,and many tracks included.Her sales are bound to become less with more and more output,the casual fans aren't going to buy every album.

Agreed Tori has nutured her cult much more than Stevie ever has although recently Stevie has shown some signs of being more aware of us.The adorable greeting she taped for Night of !,000 being one.It may be dawning on her as the causual boomer audiences dwindle that we are who she has left.

[GoldDustOrphan]

I don't think Tori needs defending because no one's attacking. She's fantastic, even though the dedicated fans on her boards are so thrilled the quality of the past few albums and her alleged plastic surgery.

h I forgot all about her "Christmas " album that does validate your statement if you include it

I almost left that one out because it's limited sales period, but her two prior studio albums have sold 92,000 and 152,000, respectively.

I"m using the numbers to illustrate a point. I don't think people realize just how bad album sales are and how low the actual numbers are for Stevie's peer group. In the U.S., women over 40 are not played on Top 40 radio. Even Madonna had to have Justin Timberlake on her single to get played. Her last CD only sold 723,000 copies yet the accompanying tour is the highest grossing by a female artist ever.

[GoldDustOrphan]

Did they have to choose Secret Love as the first single over there too? Surely, they could of chosen a different single.

BBC 2 programmers chose the play Secret Love using the same mechanisms and indicators that tell them what their listeners what to hear. If it wasn't testing well with their listeners they wouldn't have bumped it up from C to B (where it was last week) to A, which is the highest rotation a song can have on BBC 2, the most listened to station in the U.K. It's in the same class with the new Adele and Coldplay singles.

[tabruns]

Another single is coming soon? Which song is it?

I don't think IYD is being forgotten at all. I think it's being nurtured along, the best it can be in this sales climate, with some really creative marketing moves (such as the Memorial Day push of "Soldier's Angel".....something else getting some attention for the album).

[Jondalar]

BBC 2 programmers chose the play Secret Love using the same mechanisms and indicators that tell them what their listeners what to hear. If it wasn't testing well with their listeners they wouldn't have bumped it up from C to B (where it was last week) to A, which is the highest rotation a song can have on BBC 2, the most listened to station in the U.K. It's in the same class with the new Adele and Coldplay singles.

I do not buy that all. Lots of my friends and family have heard the album and Secret Love is not any of their favorites. I highly doubt Secret Love was chosen by any special mechanics.

[StandbackStevie]

This week Stevie's In Your Dreams ranked #59 in the top 200 albums charts

rock albums Charts IYD ranks #16


week of June 11,2011

[GoldDustOrphan]

I highly doubt Secret Love was chosen by any special mechanics.
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I think you may have misread what I wrote. Radio stations conduct market research to see what listeners either want to hear and/or are already listening to. They test new releases using focus groups or sometimes "call out" groups in Auditorium Music Tests (AMTs). AMTs are held in auditoriums with music played to a group that can then ask questions and make comments on the music. A newer version of this type of research involves Web surveys by which listeners can vote and comment on music. An uptick in rotation is determined by audience reaction and feedback. Secret Love was moved from C to B to A. If it wasn't getting great response, they wouldn't increase its weekly spins to the highest rotational level.

[Macfanforever]

I wish Stevie can get luck like Adele.She's at number one this week.

[Keith]

the other day I got a call from Melody Records letting me know the TISL Stevie Nicks poster that they received for the IYD promotion is ready for me to pick up.. I had asked what they did once they remove the posters from the store and the guy working there said he would give me a call once it was taken down from the store.. and he called.. and I have the poster... and I love it.. and melody records.. ended up spending $89 on the new vinyl that had in the store.. ah.. new but old... like Miles Davis' "kind of blue" and "Are you Experienced" by Jimi H. - beautiful booklet inside Hendrix's album.. very very nice.. ah.. only wishing IYD would be released in vinyl with an album size booklet.. "silly dreamer"

So Ms Nicks has sold 100,000 copies thus far.. I think she should be very proud.. I pointed out to the clerk at Melody that he still had Stevie Nicks' TISL posters in the store window and he replied that the album was selling consistently and therefore the posters were still in the window.. I'm like.. wow. a month and Stevie is still being shown on Connecticut avenue in the heart of Washington, DC... we love you Stevie.. please play the wiltern setlist at the 9:30 club....

she's still around and making a bit of noise.. although a little on the quiet side.. but sometimes silence is golden.. this album is doing just fine..

[vivfox]

100,000 copies sold in 2011 is excellent business!!! Congrats Stevie!!!

[Macfanforever]

the other day I got a call from Melody Records letting me know the TISL Stevie Nicks poster that they received for the IYD promotion is ready for me to pick up.. I had asked what they did once they remove the posters from the store and the guy working there said he would give me a call once it was taken down from the store.. and he called.. and I have the poster... and I love it.. and melody records.. ended up spending $89 on the new vinyl that had in the store.. ah.. new but old... like Miles Davis' "kind of blue" and "Are you Experienced" by Jimi H. - beautiful booklet inside Hendrix's album.. very very nice.. ah.. only wishing IYD would be released in vinyl with an album size booklet.. "silly dreamer"

So Ms Nicks has sold 100,000 copies thus far.. I think she should be very proud.. I pointed out to the clerk at Melody that he still had Stevie Nicks' TISL posters in the store window and he replied that the album was selling consistently and therefore the posters were still in the window.. I'm like.. wow. a month and Stevie is still being shown on Connecticut avenue in the heart of Washington, DC... we love you Stevie.. please play the wiltern setlist at the 9:30 club....

she's still around and making a bit of noise.. although a little on the quiet side.. but sometimes silence is golden.. this album is doing just fine..

Wow 100,000 copies thats great.Yes .A vinyl copy would be great gift for my wind up.

[kak125]

In Your Dreams has dropped to #87 this week. Its too bad they arent going to release a 2nd single. At this rate the cd will be off the charts soon.

http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/billboard-200?begin=81&order=position

[tabruns]

In Your Dreams has dropped to #87 this week. Its too bad they arent going to release a 2nd single. At this rate the cd will be off the charts soon.

http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/billboard-200?begin=81&order=position

How do you know they aren't going to release a second single?

[kak125]

How do you know they aren't going to release a second single?

i dont. i just assumed if they were they would have released it by now.

[mitzo]

In Your Dreams has dropped to #87 this week. Its too bad they arent going to release a 2nd single. At this rate the cd will be off the charts soon.

http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/billboard-200?begin=81&order=position

How many units sold this week I wonder?

[tabruns]

i dont. i just assumed if they were they would have released it by now.

Apparently "For What It's Worth" is the 2nd single.

[Macfanforever]

Apparently "For What It's Worth" is the 2nd single.

Will it get country radio airplay.

[kak125]

Stevie is at #108 this week

http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/billboard-200?begin=101&order=position

[Lee]

Where is it in the Billboard charts now? I'm dredging this back up because I don't see it charting now which I find odd since The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac is #167. Maybe I missed it in there. :shrug:

Lee :)

[blinker12]

She's at #155 this week.

http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/billboard-200?begin=141&order=position

[Bryan]

IYD has officially bombed in Ireland, number 33. Hope that doesn't mess the chances of a show here in October.
It's number 7 in the UK midweek chart though so it'll likely stay there 'til Sunday's Official.Her highest result since 1994

[TheWILDheart]

IYD has officially bombed in Ireland, number 33. Hope that doesn't mess the chances of a show here in October.
It's number 7 in the UK midweek chart though so it'll likely stay there 'til Sunday's Official.Her highest result since 1994

Highest result since 1989, actually

[BombaySapphire3]

Was Stevie ever big in Ireland as a solo act? It's kind of difficult to really consider it a bomb if she's never been a factor there to begin with.

[Bryan]

Yes.she has been.So yes,it bombed.
And I say highest since 1994 as in TISL tanked in England and her last ever success there was a top 20 place in 1994.She'll beat that now, but not her biggest ever..unless she can leap to number 2 by Sunday.unlikely.

[MacMan]

# 33 isn't bad... It's about right on par with all the other countries the album debuted in - outside of North America of course.... Way to go Stevie!

[BombaySapphire3]

Actually a UK number 7 would be an accomplishment..Bella Donna just missed the top ten there and TOSOTM was helped by the huge sales of Tango in the UK.

[kak125]

Stevie is at #167 on the billboard chart this week. I was hoping her appearance on the voice would help sales but I guess not.

http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/billboard-200?begin=161&order=position

The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac is at #189 this week too.

[RockALittle250]

Stevie is at #167 on the billboard chart this week. I was hoping her appearance on the voice would help sales but I guess not.

http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/billboard-200?begin=161&order=position

The Very Best of Fleetwood Mac is at #189 this week too.

I actually thought she would have fallen off the chart by now, so I guess it did help.

Is this week #9 for her now?

[kak125]

yeah this is week #9 for her on the billboard chart.

[snicksfan85]

There's only around a 250 copy difference in sales from last week's. (I looked at SoundScan.) Her appearance on The Voice did help because it wasn't the normal 30+% drop it has been almost every week.

[mitzo]

So what are total sales to date, I wonder??

[ShangriLaTroubl]

So what are total sales to date, I wonder??

As of last week - 120,666 in the U.S.

[jrpjr]

As of last week - 120,666 in the U.S.

WOW....thats sad

[Christopher]

WOW....thats sad
Whats sad is the fact that one can do a simple search and d/l the record for free. Internet piracy has indeed practically gutted the recording industry which is still more prevalent than ever even after shutting down peer to peer sites like Limewire. :nod:

You must also put IYD sales numbers in perspective to other pop/rock female peers over 45yrs old. Sheryl Crow's 2010 record "100 Miles to Memphis" has sold only @150K copies to date. Sarah Mclachlan long awaited "Laws of Illusion" 2010 release has sold @280K to date. Melissa Etheridge & Heart's 2010 releases haven't even crossed the 100K threshold thus far, and Hole's 2010 comback album, which Love heavily promoted ( appearing on daytime shows like The View) last year has only moved @40K which was viewed as one of the biggest commercial flops of 2010. Music sales have not been spectacular to the rock genre in general, and even worse for the over 40 set. No one (female/rock/40+) that I can recall in the last 2 years have even gone gold.

Even new releases in 2011 from legends and female peers closer to Stevie's age demographic have paled in comparison to Stevie's IYD sales. Aretha Franklin & Dolly Partons new releases both only sold @10K in their respective 1st week, debuting outside The Top 40 album charts. And Emmylou Harris's "Hard Bargain" racked up only 17k in 1st week sales. Don't forget, Stevie sold 52K+ copies of IYD its 1st week!! Despite being sick, cancelling TV performances & concerts and being an old broad. And she moved a respectable 20k+ 2nd week and a steady amount since. So all considered Stevie and "In Your Dreams" are doing just fine. I never expected her to sell gold in this current climate, I was just hoping that she'd get over the 200K mark sooner than later, but by years end she'll probably slowly but surely get over that hump. Stevie's 70's & 80's female peers could not touch what Stevie has accomplished saleswise with "In Your Dreams" at this point. The only exception would be Madonna, and her last 2008 record only sold over 700K with a hit single courtesy of Justin Timberlake's help. So all considered these sales numbers are promising for a new FM record going at least gold. Lets just hope, all the stars align and Stevie, Lindsey, along with Mick, John and Dave Stewart all are feeling the majick to go back into the studio one more time (fingers and toes crossed:) )

[MacMan]

It's not even so much as piracy that's causing album sales to drop, although it's a big factor.. It's also the fact that pretty much everything can be heard on youtube.. You want to check out a tune you've heard about? Head on over to youtube... with the ability to put together setlists etc. why buy? There's also other ways that labels and artists are making their money llike licensing the music to subscription services like Spotify, which is huge in Europe... or likefm or free services like soundcloud... everything is available to listen to. So even though actual album sales are lower, the awareness of the music and I'm sure the numbers of people that are actually hearing the music (legally) are still probably pretty high... It's just a different time with many different options to hear the music.

[Bryan]

IYD dropped 23 places down to number 37 in England this week,that's poor.Oh well,as long as those that have it love it then it's all good

[WildHearted]

Secret Love is climbing the UK charts though, isn't it? So it's not all bad.

[mitzo]

120,000 in the US alone so far is pretty OK, IMO?

[kak125]

IYD is still at #167 this week with an asterisk next to it. This is great news!!
* Titles with the greatest airplay and sales gains this week.

http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/billboard-200?begin=161&order=position

[snicksfan85]

She should hit 130k sold next week.

[RockALittle250]

IYD is still at #167 this week with an asterisk next to it. This is great news!!
* Titles with the greatest airplay and sales gains this week.

http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/billboard-200?begin=161&order=position

Good for Stevie for holding steady! Glad to see her make the double digits for weeks on the chart.

[johnnystorms]

Good for Stevie for holding steady! Glad to see her make the double digits for weeks on the chart.

wonder where the sales bump came from.

[Jondalar]

IYD dropped 23 places down to number 37 in England this week,that's poor.Oh well,as long as those that have it love it then it's all good

Ordinarilly, I would care. However, considering that she has had albums that I consider bad go platinum, it doesn't matter to me. This album is just good. She did the best she could lyrically. She puts tons of effort into this also vocally. Finally, after all these years I got a really good album.