New album track listing (updated)

[blinker12]

**Last edit: 03.07.11

I thought I'd start a thread that could be updated with the songs we've heard Stevie mention as being on the new album, IN YOUR DREAMS. It had previously been reported that there are 14 tracks on the album, but the Rolling Stone interview with Stevie and Rod Stewart posted 02.03.11 says there are 13, of which 7 were co-written with Dave Stewart. It was previously reported that Stevie wrote 5 of the tracks on her own, which totals 12. Perhaps the 13th song was cowritten with Mike Campbell. Or, perhaps one or more of Stevie's solo-written songs has been cut and there are two or more songs written with Campbell. Complicated math. ;)

Thus far, we have 12 specific song titles (the first 12 listed below). The only missing title is the exact one for the so-called New Orleans song.

1. Italian Summer (Nicks-Stewart)
2. Annabel Lee (Nicks-Stewart-Ballard)
3. The Ghosts Are Gone (Nicks-Campbell? or Nicks-Stewart)
4. Everybody Loves You (Nicks-Stewart)
5. The Soldier's Angel (Nicks)
6. For What It's Worth (Nicks-Campbell)
7. Cheaper Than Free (Nicks-Stewart)
8. In Your Dreams (Nicks-Stewart?)
9. Secret Love (Nicks) - First single
10. Moonlight - A Vampire's Dream (Nicks) - based on the "Lady from the Mountain" demo
11. Wide Sargasso Sea (Nicks-Stewart)
12. You May Be the One (Nicks-Stewart)
13. Title not yet known - New Orleans song (Nicks)

[sorcerer999]

Remember that Stevie has been quoted as saying 9 songs were written with Dave, and 5 songs were hers. I'm not sure if the Mike Campbell songs are included in the 9 with Dave or in the 5 that Stevie wrote...but we know 3 songs that she wrote by herself
1.Twilight Song
2. New Orleans Song
3.Soldiers Angel

as well as a song from the vault circa 1976. Could the fifth song be one of Mike Campbell's or could it be Annabelle Lee (even if Dave wrote a minuet for it, she still might consider it to be solely hers since it's been around for awhile)?

Curiouser and curiouser...

:)

[crystal baller]

Does anyone else think she's going to bring out Cecelia, could be one of the vault songs?

[CADreaming]

Possible Mike Campbell song: "My Heart"

[Josh2003]

Do we know for sure that the "New Orleans song" and the "Twilight" song are separate songs? Both make references to vampires...

[paleshadow]

I thought I'd start a thread that could be updated with the songs we've heard Stevie mention as being on the album. We now know there are 14 tracks planned, 9 co-written with Dave Stewart (and/or Mike Campbell?) and 5 on her own.

Thus far, we have 6 specific song titles (the first six listed below).

1. Italian Summer (Nicks-Stewart)
2. Wide Sargasso Sea (Nicks-Stewart)
3. Annabel Lee (Nicks-Stewart-Ballard)
4. The Ghosts Are Gone (Nicks-Campbell? or Nicks-Stewart)
5. Everybody Loves You (Nicks-Stewart)
6. The Soldier's Angel (Nicks)
7. New Orleans song (Nicks)
8. "Twilight song"
9. Mike Campbell Song #1
10. Mike Campbell Song #2 or unspecified Stewart collaboration
11. 1976 song (vault)
12. 1976 song (vault)
13. unspecified era vault song and/or Stewart collaboration
14 .unspecified era vault song and/or Stewart collaboration

If Annabel Lee doesn't deviate from Stevie's demo it really should be (lyrics Poe, music Stewart-Ballard. Additional lyrics Nicks).

[mikebise]

Possible Mike Campbell song: "My Heart"

Well, since it was completely recorded, mixed and mastered and actually on (very rare) copies of the 16-track CD of Trouble in Shangri-la, "My Heart" is pretty much an unofficial official release. It's not like it's some old piano demo; it's already completed. Plus, it's also all over the Internet, YouTube, everywhere. However, I could be wrong, of course.

However, a Stevie version of "You Like Me" isn't in circulation. We've never heard her version. That would be a nice surprise!

[AnthonyMI]

Well, since it was completely recorded, mixed and mastered and actually on (very rare) copies of the 16-track CD of Trouble in Shangri-la, "My Heart" is pretty much an unofficial official release. It's not like it's some old piano demo; it's already completed. Plus, it's also all over the Internet, YouTube, everywhere. However, I could be wrong, of course.

However, a Stevie version of "You Like Me" isn't in circulation. We've never heard her version. That would be a nice surprise!



Wait a second. WAIT just a second. WHAT? There was a 16 track version of TISL?

[mikebise]

Yes. When Stevie did the Arizona benefit in September 2000, at the party the 16 track CD of Trouble in Shangri-la was playing, including the songs "My Heart", "Thrown Down" and "Touched By An Angel", plus a completely different version of "Bombay Sapphires". Various people got official copies of that CD, and, of course, some of them made copies. And that's where "Thrown Down" and "My Heart" came from.

A few of the songs had slightly different mixes as well. Here is the track listing for the extended CD that several people got in 2000:

01. Trouble in Shangri-La
02. Candlebright
03. That Made Me Stronger
04. Sorcerer
05. Planets of the Universe
06. It's Only Love
07. Everyday (missing a few overdubs)
08. Bombay Sapphires (alternate version)
09. Love Changes
10. Too Far From Texas
11. I Miss You (different mix)
12. Fall From Grace
13. Thrown Down
14. My Heart
15. Touched By An Angel
16. Love Is

[sorcerer999]

Which makes me think it's quite possible we won't get all 14 songs. I'm pretty sure some will be cut.

[mikebise]

Well, the official Trouble in Shangri-la is thirteen tracks, as was Street Angel. Thirteen or fourteen sound about right for a Stevie album.

Plus, for Crystal Visions and The Soundstage Sessions (and even Live In Boston 2003), different bonus tracks were available from WB/Reprise, iTunes and Amazon. So, it's very possible for this new album that we will get all of Stevie's new recordings! :)

[Christopher]

Well, since it was completely recorded, mixed and mastered and actually on (very rare) copies of the 16-track CD of Trouble in Shangri-la, "My Heart" is pretty much an unofficial official release. It's not like it's some old piano demo; it's already completed. Plus, it's also all over the Internet, YouTube, everywhere. However, I could be wrong, of course.

However, a Stevie version of "You Like Me" isn't in circulation. We've never heard her version. That would be a nice surprise!

I sure hope the old Campbell track Stevie recently recorded is not "My Heart" for all the reasons mike b. discusses, plus I would prefer a brand new track we've never heard before. However I've always been fond of "You Like Me", but I somehow think it would have been more potent if Stevie recorded and released when it was written right around the RAL era.

[Christopher]

Well, the official Trouble in Shangri-la is thirteen tracks, as was Street Angel. Thirteen or fourteen sound about right for a Stevie album.

Plus, for Crystal Visions and The Soundstage Sessions (and even Live In Boston 2003), different bonus tracks were available from WB/Reprise, iTunes and Amazon. So, it's very possible for this new album that we will get all of Stevie's new recordings! :)

I was thinking the same thing, and agree we will probably have the option to buy extra bonus tracks through iTunes, Amazon & WB! The only downside for some is having to buy multiple copies of Stevie's new album, which I don't mind....It has been so long, and the bonus songs will be worth every $ in my opinion. :D

[Christopher]

I thought I'd start a thread that could be updated with the songs we've heard Stevie mention as being on the album. We now know there are 14 tracks planned, 9 co-written with Dave Stewart (and/or Mike Campbell?) and 5 on her own.

Thus far, we have 6 specific song titles (the first six listed below).

1. Italian Summer (Nicks-Stewart)
2. Wide Sargasso Sea (Nicks-Stewart)
3. Annabel Lee (Nicks-Stewart-Ballard)
4. The Ghosts Are Gone (Nicks-Campbell? or Nicks-Stewart)
5. Everybody Loves You (Nicks-Stewart)
6. The Soldier's Angel (Nicks)
7. New Orleans song (Nicks)
8. "Twilight song"
9. Mike Campbell Song #1
10. Mike Campbell Song #2 or unspecified Stewart collaboration
11. 1976 song (vault)
12. 1976 song (vault)
13. unspecified era vault song and/or Stewart collaboration
14 .unspecified era vault song and/or Stewart collaboration

Dave or Mike said that Stevie pulled out an old Campbell track that she wanted to record, they brought in Mike and made it even better. So I believe that makes the Campbell/Stevie song fall under the category of unspecified era vault song. The other Campbell song they recorded was a newly composed track that Mike gave to Stevie, which he said she wrote a great song to that he was very proud of.

[tothegypsy]

Wasn't there speculation that Everybody Loves You is actually on Dave's album and not Stevie's?

[gypsy4life]

OMG! I lost my demo of Annabelle Lee. Can someone please post it??

[TrueFaith77]

Wasn't there speculation that Everybody Loves You is actually on Dave's album and not Stevie's?

Let's hope that is the case. :sorry:

[Christopher]

Wasn't there speculation that Everybody Loves You is actually on Dave's album and not Stevie's?

No. Dave confirmed on twitter Aug 14 that he and Stevie recorded another song as a duet on his album titled "Cheaper Than Free".

[TrueFaith77]

No. Dave confirmed on twitter Aug 14 that he and Stevie recorded another song as a duet on his album titled "Cheaper Than Free".

uh oh ... well u never know what a snippet can turn into

[APerfectLie]

I am going to say that the two Mike Campbell songs are lumped in with the 9 Dave Stewart songs since Dave has stated that him and Stevie only actually did 7 songs together.

[sorcerer999]

With the exception of TOSOTM, Stevie has always named her albums after a song title. Of the "official" titles that she has leaked thus far, I'm praying that NONE of them (while pretty titles for songs) are NOT the actual title of the record.

Italian Summer or Everybody Loves You just do not have the "Stevie feel" like Bella Donna, Wild Heart or TISL. Then again, neither did Street Angel.

[Phil]

Is it possible for anyone to post "I Miss You" (different mix)? I've never heard this version and am curious about it.

[APerfectLie]

With the exception of TOSOTM, Stevie has always named her albums after a song title. Of the "official" titles that she has leaked thus far, I'm praying that NONE of them (while pretty titles for songs) are NOT the actual title of the record.

Italian Summer or Everybody Loves You just do not have the "Stevie feel" like Bella Donna, Wild Heart or TISL. Then again, neither did Street Angel.

I'm hoping she pulls out a line from one of the songs or has a song title that is simply amazing.

[blinker12]

First post edited to include songs mentioned in Rolling Stone.

[starshine]

Its nice to know possibly some of the song titles but wow....its like we almost know everything....though I guess its no different than back in the old fanzine days (for those of us that recall 'those' days) me included.....we all used to speculate as to what songs from the vault that would show up on the new record. Its fun to know but than yet sometimes I wish I didn't know.....it almost takes the 'fun' out of getting the new cd/LP and reading through it etc......it kinda makes me sad that 'those' I guess simipler days are gone........anyway, its just some thoughts.....and I just wondered if anyone else has felt this way??? If not its all good either way.........I won't stop reading the track listing thats for sure but I go hope for some unknown surprises too......Come on Stevie give us alot of songs on this new cd/(yeah and put out another ltd edition LP too like you did with CV)......have AT least 14-15 songs on the cd or heck add some extras like you did with SA (the Japan version had 16 songs on it--which I like many others here have)....that was 16!! which was way cool......have a beautiful LP/CD cover.....time will tell......make the most of it......:D:shrug:

[holidayroad]

OMG! I lost my demo of Annabelle Lee. Can someone please post it??


Download is at the bottom of the page where it says '->Download Link'.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/lzt1hs

[blinker12]

Its nice to know possibly some of the song titles but wow....its like we almost know everything....though I guess its no different than back in the old fanzine days (for those of us that recall 'those' days) me included.....we all used to speculate as to what songs from the vault that would show up on the new record. Its fun to know but than yet sometimes I wish I didn't know.....it almost takes the 'fun' out of getting the new cd/LP and reading through it etc.....

Starshine, I completely understand what you're saying. When it comes to new albums from Stevie and the Mac, I think everyone has a different threshold for how much they want to know and how much they want to be surprised. For me, finding out song titles is fun and gives me a little taste of what's coming, but the songs themselves remain mostly a mystery. I think that's a nice balance. Also, Stevie herself has chosen to reveal these song titles by talking about them to reporters, so as careful as she's being about preserving the surprise this time, she apparently doesn't think that naming songs is doing much harm.

This time around, if the songs themselves leak, I'm going to do my best not to listen to them. I *did* listen to stuff leaked from TISL and SYW, and I found it took away from the excitement of getting the actual album a bit. It's just soooooooooooo hard to resist. But I'm going to try, and maybe Stevie will make it easier for me by keeping stuff under tighter wraps this time as she promises to do!

All that said, I'm happy to edit this post title to say "SPOILERS" if folks want.

[SpyNote]

Its nice to know possibly some of the song titles but wow....its like we almost know everything....though I guess its no different than back in the old fanzine days (for those of us that recall 'those' days) me included.....we all used to speculate as to what songs from the vault that would show up on the new record. Its fun to know but than yet sometimes I wish I didn't know.....it almost takes the 'fun' out of getting the new cd/LP and reading through it etc......it kinda makes me sad that 'those' I guess simipler days are gone........anyway, its just some thoughts.....and I just wondered if anyone else has felt this way??? If not its all good either way.........I won't stop reading the track listing thats for sure but I go hope for some unknown surprises too......Come on Stevie give us alot of songs on this new cd/(yeah and put out another ltd edition LP too like you did with CV)......have AT least 14-15 songs on the cd or heck add some extras like you did with SA (the Japan version had 16 songs on it--which I like many others here have)....that was 16!! which was way cool......have a beautiful LP/CD cover.....time will tell......make the most of it......:D:shrug:

Well, I would take threads like this with a grain of salt. As we all know, some fans can get a little wild with their imagination, to point where they start to believe their speculation is the truth. So there still will be an element of surprise when the album actually comes out - and that surprise will be how inaccurate and unreliable some of this early information turned out to be.

[Jondalar]

People keep mentioning songs called Cecilia and Lady from the Mountain. I found these on youtube. I have to say to say if Nicks puts these songs on her new album, the album will have a Tusk feel. Both songs are extreme mood pieces. The earliest Demo for Lady is a true gem, but the redone version not so much. Cecilia has a spanish and italian flare to it. It's extremely tusk and I think it would go nicely with her other Italian songs.

If she really using these songs, I'm going to get really excited, because these songs are PURE atmosphere and it shows she is going for a complete album instead of a bunch of singles.

[Jondalar]

People keep mentioning songs called Cecilia and Lady from the Mountain. I found these on youtube. I have to say to say if Nicks puts these songs on her new album, the album will have a Tusk feel. Both songs are extreme mood pieces. The earliest Demo for Lady is a true gem, but the redone version not so much. Cecilia has a spanish and italian flare to it. It's extremely tusk and I think it would go nicely with her other Italian songs.

If she really using these songs, I'm going to get really excited, because these songs are PURE atmosphere and it shows she is going for a complete album instead of a bunch of singles.

P.S. However, I'm not sure her voice can handle these songs anymore.

[gypsy4life]

Download is at the bottom of the page where it says '->Download Link'.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/lzt1hs

Thank You!!!!!

[Phil]

Hi,

I'm just wondering if the song based on the film "Wide Sargosso Sea" has that very title? If you carefully read the interview where Stevie mentions it, she doesn't actually state the title of the song, only what inspired it. I could be wrong though.

Also, has the inclusion of the New Orleans Song actually been confirmed? I think David Wild's comments regarding vampires caused some people to think it must have been recorded but there's no evidence of this to date.

For the record, I have been thrilled with Dave's input as a co-songwriter and producer from the outset and I believe he will be sympathetic to Stevie's songs in every regard. However, I am concerned about the songs they have co-written being based on the "journal poems" and wonder how much thought has gone into ensuring these lyrics actually stand up in terms of quality? I've always admired Stevie's ability to "connect the dots" and merge bits and pieces of her poetry from here and there. Sometimes this makes for a rather cryptic lyric overall but I always prefer that to her more straightforward "stories". I am nervous about getting to hear "the whole story" as she puts it.

I sincerely hope Stevie has revised "The Solider's Angel" because the original poem it seems to be based on is wretched. She may as well be stating "I am a soldier's ipod programmer" or "I go down on soldiers and take their pain away". The cringe factor is unavoidable this time I'm afraid.

I truly think this album is going to hinge on whether Stevie can a) come up with great lyrics and b) if she can hit the spot vocally. She has all the support she needs in the shape of Dave but everything will ultimately rest on her shoulders.

I have been listening a lot to the "Trouble In Shangri-La" album lately and I am astounded at how great a lot of these songs are and how they have also really held up well almost ten years down the track. I think some of it is over-produced and certain songs could have benefited from more subtle arrangements ("That Made Me Stonger" comes to mind) whilst the rougher demo versions were in some cases superior ("Candlebright" and "Sorcerer"). However, it still is a strong set of songs and I think this is because she had a number of years to write and stockpile new songs. I just fear she may have rushed into things this time around but we'll just have to wait and see.

PS I like Shanks' production on the song "Trouble In Shangri-La" despite it's rather frenetic arrangement at times, but I would love to hear a stripped-back, perhaps even orchestral version that might closer resemble the demo version. I always thought the synth refrain in the chorus of the demo was so poignant and beautiful - it would be lovely to gently tease that out with piano and strings. Whatever the case, this remains a truly magnificent song.

[Jondalar]

Hi,

I'm just wondering if the song based on the film "Wide Sargosso Sea" has that very title? If you carefully read the interview where Stevie mentions it, she doesn't actually state the title of the song, only what inspired it. I could be wrong though.

Also, has the inclusion of the New Orleans Song actually been confirmed? I think David Wild's comments regarding vampires caused some people to think it must have been recorded but there's no evidence of this to date.

For the record, I have been thrilled with Dave's input as a co-songwriter and producer from the outset and I believe he will be sympathetic to Stevie's songs in every regard. However, I am concerned about the songs they have co-written being based on the "journal poems" and wonder how much thought has gone into ensuring these lyrics actually stand up in terms of quality? I've always admired Stevie's ability to "connect the dots" and merge bits and pieces of her poetry from here and there. Sometimes this makes for a rather cryptic lyric overall but I always prefer that to her more straightforward "stories". I am nervous about getting to hear "the whole story" as she puts it.

I sincerely hope Stevie has revised "The Solider's Angel" because the original poem it seems to be based on is wretched. She may as well be stating "I am a soldier's ipod programmer" or "I go down on soldiers and take their pain away". The cringe factor is unavoidable this time I'm afraid.

I truly think this album is going to hinge on whether Stevie can a) come up with great lyrics and b) if she can hit the spot vocally. She has all the support she needs in the shape of Dave but everything will ultimately rest on her shoulders.

I have been listening a lot to the "Trouble In Shangri-La" album lately and I am astounded at how great a lot of these songs are and how they have also really held up well almost ten years down the track. I think some of it is over-produced and certain songs could have benefited from more subtle arrangements ("That Made Me Stonger" comes to mind) whilst the rougher demo versions were in some cases superior ("Candlebright" and "Sorcerer"). However, it still is a strong set of songs and I think this is because she had a number of years to write and stockpile new songs. I just fear she may have rushed into things this time around but we'll just have to wait and see.

PS I like Shanks' production on the song "Trouble In Shangri-La" despite it's rather frenetic arrangement at times, but I would love to hear a stripped-back, perhaps even orchestral version that might closer resemble the demo version. I always thought the synth refrain in the chorus of the demo was so poignant and beautiful - it would be lovely to gently tease that out with piano and strings. Whatever the case, this remains a truly magnificent song.

I think the album is going to hinge on Nicks vocals. I bet they have some really good atmospheric songs, but if she can't carry them off vocally, it won't matter.

[sorcerer999]

I think the album is going to hinge on Nicks vocals. I bet they have some really good atmospheric songs, but if she can't carry them off vocally, it won't matter.

You'd be surprised what she can do in the studio versus what she does on stage. She seems a bit more courageous (I guess since she can rerecord if she doesn't like it). The falsetto on "Sorcerer" for example, as well as "Call On Me For Magic"...and for Fleetwood Mac's SYW album, I think some of her best vocals ever were on "Running Through The Garden". And recently, her harmonies on "The One" with V. Carlton were stunning - and really the only good thing about the song.

She's got chutzpah in the studio. I'm not worried about this album at all. Especially since she, herself, is touting it as the best thing she's done since "Bella Donna".

[Jondalar]

You'd be surprised what she can do in the studio versus what she does on stage. She seems a bit more courageous (I guess since she can rerecord if she doesn't like it). The falsetto on "Sorcerer" for example, as well as "Call On Me For Magic"...and for Fleetwood Mac's SYW album, I think some of her best vocals ever were on "Running Through The Garden". And recently, her harmonies on "The One" with V. Carlton were stunning - and really the only good thing about the song.

She's got chutzpah in the studio. I'm not worried about this album at all. Especially since she, herself, is touting it as the best thing she's done since "Bella Donna".

Why would anyone on this website be surprised at what she can do? We've all heard the same things. I guess it's a matter of opinion. My opinion seems to differ quite a lot from yours about some those vocals you say were great, especially Call on Me for Magic and Running Through the Garden. Although, I think she really tried.

[DestinyRules]

You'd be surprised what she can do in the studio versus what she does on stage. She seems a bit more courageous (I guess since she can rerecord if she doesn't like it). The falsetto on "Sorcerer" for example, as well as "Call On Me For Magic"...and for Fleetwood Mac's SYW album, I think some of her best vocals ever were on "Running Through The Garden". And recently, her harmonies on "The One" with V. Carlton were stunning - and really the only good thing about the song.

She's got chutzpah in the studio. I'm not worried about this album at all. Especially since she, herself, is touting it as the best thing she's done since "Bella Donna".

It has nothing to do with chutzpah in the studio. Recording songs takes a long time because you go through several recordings of the same song. Many times, you spend hours recording just a few lines from the same song. Stevie probably needed several takes to get those falsettos in "Sorcerer" just right.

And it's not exclusive to Stevie. Think about the "reeeeeaaaach me" that Bono sings in "Beautiful Day." When you're in the studio, you have several takes to get it right. On stage, he doesn't try that falsetto, or at least didn't when I remember hearing him singing "Beautiful Day" live. On stage, if you try a note and you screw up, thousands of people hear it.

[sorcerer999]

It has nothing to do with chutzpah in the studio. Recording songs takes a long time because you go through several recordings of the same song. Many times, you spend hours recording just a few lines from the same song. Stevie probably needed several takes to get those falsettos in "Sorcerer" just right.

And it's not exclusive to Stevie. Think about the "reeeeeaaaach me" that Bono sings in "Beautiful Day." When you're in the studio, you have several takes to get it right. On stage, he doesn't try that falsetto, or at least didn't when I remember hearing him singing "Beautiful Day" live. On stage, if you try a note and you screw up, thousands of people hear it.

Of course it has to do with chutzpah. If you're feeling it, you're feeling it. If you're not, you're not. Stevie has been quoted many times saying she doesn't like to do more than 3 or 4 takes at one time in the studio. She said that anything afterward loses it's magic, so she'll have to stop and come back to it later. Yes we've seen master reels listing such-and-such song take #12 or #13 and so on...but I bet if take #14 made it on to the record, it was because she had come back to it after awhile, and was "feeling it".

And yes, Jondalar, everything I write on this forum is just my humble opinion. :)

[skuncles]

It has nothing to do with chutzpah in the studio. Recording songs takes a long time because you go through several recordings of the same song. Many times, you spend hours recording just a few lines from the same song. Stevie probably needed several takes to get those falsettos in "Sorcerer" just right.

And it's not exclusive to Stevie. Think about the "reeeeeaaaach me" that Bono sings in "Beautiful Day." When you're in the studio, you have several takes to get it right. On stage, he doesn't try that falsetto, or at least didn't when I remember hearing him singing "Beautiful Day" live. On stage, if you try a note and you screw up, thousands of people hear it.

Very true, I just finished the book, "Heart In The Studio" and as most people by now know while recording "These Dreams", Nancy had a cold but she recorded the vocal anyhow. A couple weeks later they back to finish up the track, she redid the lead vocal but the gravelness from her cold was gone. The producer really liked her original vocal better, in particular the line "every second of the night I live another life..." so he edited the two vocal takes together, keeping some bits from the original and some from the retake. The end result is a seamless blend of the two.

[skuncles]

I'll be curious to see how many songs remain on the completed album. Early released reports listed "Violet & Blue" to be on "The Wild Heart", "Smile At You" to be on "Mirage", "What Has Rock & Roll Ever Done For You" to be on "Tango" and "Don't Treat Me Like A Stranger" to be on "The Other Side..." and there have been others. None of these ended up on the albums. So a lot can happen between now and what comes out.

[APerfectLie]

Apparently "Cheaper Than Free" is going to be on both her and Dave's albums...


senatorsteved
@DaveStewart. Where's cheaper than free on the double gatefold?

DaveStewart
@senatorsteved warners wouldn't allow on the gatefold as it was 4 months earlier than Stevie CD and that song is on both our CD albums

senatorsteved
@DaveStewart sure would of been nice as a promo but it must be a great song. Looking forward.

DaveStewart
@senatorsteved I agree but when she heard my version she said she wanted it on her record too and she's on warners !

Hope this doesn't mean we are losing a song off her album to fit this one in!

[tilthefirefades]

From the clip I heard, it is an ok song, but I guess I was expecting every song on Stevie's album to be much better. Guess I need to reconsider my expectations :laugh:

[TrueFaith77]

From the clip I heard, it is an ok song, but I guess I was expecting every song on Stevie's album to be much better. Guess I need to reconsider my expectations :laugh:

Hmmm... I wonder how many Dave Stewart duets then are going to be on the new album.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I have been hoping for some time that she reworks "Prettiest Girl in the World" or a modern version of "Mirror Mirror" for the album. Any thoughts?

[LiquidDiamonds]

I have to say I am not very impressed with what I have heard from Dave's album. I really hope Stevie stays away from Country! I am nervous this may be her country album. :distress:

[vivfox]

I have been hoping for some time that she reworks "Prettiest Girl in the World" or a modern version of "Mirror Mirror" for the album. Any thoughts?


A girl can dream, right?

[mitzo]

If "Cheaper than Free" is on Stevie's album then there is a track lost, in a way, IMO. Doesn't she have better things to put on her first album in 10 years? Or is it payback for Dave? She seems to have a habit of getting totally overboard with musical friends and letting them dumb her music down, like with Sheryl C. on TISL.

[blinker12]

Apparently "Cheaper Than Free" is going to be on both her and Dave's albums...

Nice find, APerfectLie. List updated. I'm keeping the track list to 14, and took one of the 1976 vault songs off, though that (and everything else) is obviously speculative and subject to change!

[TrueFaith77]

If "Cheaper than Free" is on Stevie's album then there is a track lost, in a way, IMO. Doesn't she have better things to put on her first album in 10 years? Or is it payback for Dave? She seems to have a habit of getting totally overboard with musical friends and letting them dumb her music down, like with Sheryl C. on TISL.

which is why she should work with Lindsey.

jus' sayin'

[David]

I have been hoping for some time that she reworks "Prettiest Girl in the World" or a modern version of "Mirror Mirror" for the album. Any thoughts?
That one's pretty good. I also really like "The Crystal" or "Beautiful Ghost."

[SapphireSister]

I have to say I am not very impressed with what I have heard from Dave's album. I really hope Stevie stays away from Country! I am nervous this may be her country album. :distress:
That's what I've been worried about too since I heard Dave's snippets! Way too country-influenced and if that's an indication of how's Stevie's album is going to be I'm gonna blow a gasket! This has been a major concern for me. :distress: I'm not saying the quality of the music isn't good, just not my style.

[vivfox]

That's what I've been worried about too since I heard Dave's snippets! Way too country-influenced and if that's an indication of how's Stevie's album is going to be I'm gonna blow a gasket! This has been a major concern for me. :distress: I'm not saying the quality of the music isn't good, just not my style.


I think your obsession would never allow you to dislike a Stevie Nicker album.

[Nathan]

could anyone repost annabel lee from
pg 2 on sendspace please? thanks.

[SapphireSister]

I think your obsession would never allow you to dislike a Stevie Nicker album.
OMG you like so totally checked my s*hit and you're right! Thanks for making me feel better, Viv. :xoxo: lol

[APerfectLie]

From the clip I heard, it is an ok song, but I guess I was expecting every song on Stevie's album to be much better. Guess I need to reconsider my expectations :laugh:

Same here. I don't want to be a Debbie Downer, and to me Cheaper Than Free was good but not anything amazing. Granted we didn't hear all of it, so who knows. I just don't see how Stevie thinks it is "so great" she wants it on her album. It just doesn't make any sense to me to release the song on both albums. None at all. The only thing I can think that would make sense is that it is going to be on a "deluxe" version of her album. But I think it kinda screws Dave over. Having a duet on his album with Stevie gives chiffonheads somewhat of an incentive to buy his album, but now that it is going to be on her's too, there is much less of an incentive.

[TerraRhiannon]

Having a duet on his album with Stevie gives chiffonheads somewhat of an incentive to buy his album, but now that it is going to be on her's too, there is much less of an incentive.

There is still the song Stevie Baby! I would buy his album for a song inspired by Stevie alone. :lol: No, I actually like the rest of this songs as well, especially Bulletproof Vest!

[SapphireSister]

I would buy his album based on the music, not because he's producing Stevie's album (and I won't be buying it). If you look at it like that he's just using her for publicity! I mean I'm sure he genuinely wants to produce her album and is doing a fabulous job but he didn't have to do all the extra Twitter, shout-outs, and what not (although I do appreciate it). I do not however think this is the case. Our girl is just so much more famous than you, Dave lol!

[holidayroad]

could anyone repost annabel lee from
pg 2 on sendspace please? thanks.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/b2hs1u

Link is at the bottom of the page.

[APerfectLie]

I would buy his album based on the music, not because he's producing Stevie's album (and I won't be buying it). If you look at it like that he's just using her for publicity! I mean I'm sure he genuinely wants to produce her album and is doing a fabulous job but he didn't have to do all the extra Twitter, shout-outs, and what not (although I do appreciate it). I do not however think this is the case. Our girl is just so much more famous than you, Dave lol!

Hahaha, I am buying his album! And I don't think he is using her for publicity at all, but I do think from it would make sense to keep the song on his and only his album. Even tho he isn't using her simply for publicity, she has definitely helped increase interest in his album and I think including the song only on his album would be another perk of the album. Especially for those people who don't know his solo music or think it is too country. Of course you aren't going to buy his album simply because he is producing her album, but would you buy his album if it had a duet with Stevie on it that you couldn't get elsewhere? Or would you atleast buy that one song off of iTunes? That would go as a sale toward him, but now you will get it on Stevie's album, so there is no need for you to even waste your time with Dave Stewart! It works out good for us, but I think it is kinda shoddy for Dave. It'd be like Tom Petty putting Stop Draggin My Heart Around on "Hard Promises". I think it would have been somewhat wrong of him to tell Stevie that he liked it so much he was going to put it on his album thereby making Stevie conform to his label's demands and telling her when she can and cannot release songs on her solo album.

[Meowi]

Anyways, this is not the firstime Dave has done shared album song.
Remember the Eurythmics and Aretha Franklin song Sisters are doing for Themselves?
That song can be found on both of their albums.

[mitzo]

which is why she should work with Lindsey.

jus' sayin'

YYEESS!! I agree 1000% her music has been damaged by dumb production on her solo albums in the past. Lindsey seems to draw out a better Stevie.

[michelej1]

Same here. I don't want to be a Debbie Downer, and to me Cheaper Than Free was good but not anything amazing. Granted we didn't hear all of it, so who knows. I just don't see how Stevie thinks it is "so great" she wants it on her album.


I know. If I were her, I'd twirl my hair and say, "Oh Dave, honey. That sounds sooo good that I think it should be on your album. You deserve it."

Michele

[michelej1]

There is still the song Stevie Baby

From the little clip and the lyrics in it, I wasn't excited about that one so much.

She's probably got a song on her album called, "Dave Daddy."

I enjoy country music though, so I won't mind if many of Stevie's new songs end up falling into that genre.

Michele

[LiquidDiamonds]

That's what I've been worried about too since I heard Dave's snippets! Way too country-influenced and if that's an indication of how's Stevie's album is going to be I'm gonna blow a gasket! This has been a major concern for me. :distress: I'm not saying the quality of the music isn't good, just not my style.

Disappointment will become my middle name! I am sure the songs will be good, but country hurts my everything. :distress:

[Artemis]

What if the album is country tinged, like Bella Donna is? Or, you know, people could be setting themselves up for big disappointment, getting their hopes up high and expecting Stevie to deliver an amazing album.. when it might not be.

Either way, I'm not too fussed what the tracks sound like, new Stevie music is new Stevie music. I'm sure there will be songs I love and songs I don't love. Either way, it's all cool. I think at this stage in the game, she should make the music she wants to, and she sounds pretty excited about the whole project, so, I'm quitely confident that it won't disappoint.

[LiquidDiamonds]

She's probably got a song on her album called, "Dave Daddy."



I think her song about Dave will be "Vanilla Gorilla".:laugh:

[APerfectLie]

Disappointment will become my middle name! I am sure the songs will be good, but country hurts my everything. :distress:

ROFL you have no idea how much this made me LOL :laugh:

[LiquidDiamonds]

ROFL you have no idea how much this made me LOL :laugh:

I may legally change my middle name if I have waited 10 years for a country album. It's like going to a gay pride parade only to find out it is really a Tea Party rally.

[PenguinHead]

Well, the official Trouble in Shangri-la is thirteen tracks, as was Street Angel. Thirteen or fourteen sound about right for a Stevie album.

Plus, for Crystal Visions and The Soundstage Sessions (and even Live In Boston 2003), different bonus tracks were available from WB/Reprise, iTunes and Amazon. So, it's very possible for this new album that we will get all of Stevie's new recordings! :)

Excuse my ignorance: But what were the bonus tracks from the Soundstage Sessions and Live in Boston? Are they still available?

[APerfectLie]

Well, the official Trouble in Shangri-la is thirteen tracks, as was Street Angel. Thirteen or fourteen sound about right for a Stevie album.

Plus, for Crystal Visions and The Soundstage Sessions (and even Live In Boston 2003), different bonus tracks were available from WB/Reprise, iTunes and Amazon. So, it's very possible for this new album that we will get all of Stevie's new recordings! :)

But Bella Donna and Wild Heart were only ten and RAL was 11 and TOSOTM was 12. So 13 or 14 does sound about right, but here is my biggest fear: all of those albums had numerous songs dropped from them! As you said, there was an early version of TISL with 16 tracks, but it was knocked down to 13. 25 songs were recorded for RAL, but we only got 11. Also, several songs were planned for Street Angel, such as If You Were My Love, She Calls You Missing, God's Garden, and Inspiration. I'm afraid that since Stevie was already talking about "14 songs" in August, that possibly they will drop some of those 14. And maybe they dropped 4 or 5 and then she asked to add Cheaper Than Free to be on the album to make it 10 or 11. But you do point out the potential for bonus tracks! Some of my favorite bands other than Stevie and FM are with Reprise, such as The Used, My Chemical Romance, Jack's Mannequin and Taking Back Sunday, and they have been very market savvy and released bonus tracks and b-sides on iTunes or with pre-orders and making CD/DVD packages with behind the scenes footage and documentaries which will work well with Dave's plans!

[sorcerer999]

But Bella Donna and Wild Heart were only ten and RAL was 11 and TOSOTM was 12. So 13 or 14 does sound about right, but here is my biggest fear: all of those albums had numerous songs dropped from them! As you said, there was an early version of TISL with 16 tracks, but it was knocked down to 13. 25 songs were recorded for RAL, but we only got 11. Also, several songs were planned for Street Angel, such as If You Were My Love, She Calls You Missing, God's Garden, and Inspiration. I'm afraid that since Stevie was already talking about "14 songs" in August, that possibly they will drop some of those 14. And maybe they dropped 4 or 5 and then she asked to add Cheaper Than Free to be on the album to make it 10 or 11. But you do point out the potential for bonus tracks! Some of my favorite bands other than Stevie and FM are with Reprise, such as The Used, My Chemical Romance, Jack's Mannequin and Taking Back Sunday, and they have been very market savvy and released bonus tracks and b-sides on iTunes or with pre-orders and making CD/DVD packages with behind the scenes footage and documentaries which will work well with Dave's plans!

Keep in mind that when Bella Donna, Wild Heart and Rock A Little were released, Vinyl was still the main format in which an album was purchased, then cassettes. Vinyl can only hold about 25 minutes per side, making your average record about 50 minutes back then. Songs were dropped not because they weren't good, but because there was no room. That's why there were so few songs on those records.

[APerfectLie]

Keep in mind that when Bella Donna, Wild Heart and Rock A Little were released, Vinyl was still the main format in which an album was purchased, then cassettes. Vinyl can only hold about 25 minutes per side, making your average record about 50 minutes back then. Songs were dropped not because they weren't good, but because there was no room. That's why there were so few songs on those records.

Very good point!

[Christopher]

I agree with whoever said Stevie & Warners screwed Dave over if it's true Stevie loved "Cheaper Than Free" so much that she had to have it on her album as well as Dave's. It better be a great track, cause from the 30 seconds I heard, I wasn't overly impressed, esp. with the simplistic lyrical sentiment...though it did cut off as it seemed to be building. I found "Everybody Loves You'" more interesting and that was just a demo snippet we heard.

Also I wouldn't mind Stevie's album being country tinged ala Bella Donna. Especially if by country-tinged it's really just stripped down. Stevie last tried to get down to basics and strip down her music when she did Street Angel, and while I do like parts of that record, overall SA didn't succeed artistically IMO for many reasons.

So my hunch is that I suspect Stevie's new album will be more diverse musically than Dave's Blackbird Diaries, though it may include a few songs in that vein, as well as bigger production songs as well. But my burning question is, why is her album not titled yet?? All the songs have been recorded, and it's in the final mixing phase. Where's the title Stevie? Has anyone asked Dave>via twitter?

[sorcerer999]

I just "tweeted" him and asked if there's a title. We'll see if I get an answer. I also told him I was excited about his Belcourt gig and new record. I didn't want him to think I was only interested in what Stevie's doing.

About ten years ago, I rang up Walter Egan at Barnes & Noble, and just a few years ago, I helped Billy Burnette find a CD at Tower Records. The first thing that came out of my mouth both times was "WHAT WAS IT LIKE WORKING WITH STEVIE NICKS?!!!" instead of talking about their own music, or just leavining them alone. Didn't wanna make the same mistake with Dave.

[wheart]

I just "tweeted" him and asked if there's a title. We'll see if I get an answer. I also told him I was excited about his Belcourt gig and new record. I didn't want him to think I was only interested in what Stevie's doing.

About ten years ago, I rang up Walter Egan at Barnes & Noble, and just a few years ago, I helped Billy Burnette find a CD at Tower Records. The first thing that came out of my mouth both times was "WHAT WAS IT LIKE WORKING WITH STEVIE NICKS?!!!" instead of talking about their own music, or just leavining them alone. Didn't wanna make the same mistake with Dave.

smart move. I met Bruce Hornsby about 5 years ago and the first thing I asked him was about his work with Stevie on TOSOTM. We talked about Two Kinds of Love but he forgot the name of the other song he was involved in. I quickly reminded him that the title was Juliet. He seemed astounded I knew the name of it. I pressed him about her deal with Rupert...he said they seemed pretty "cozy" when the three of them had dinner. I never really asked anything about his own music which didn't sit very well. In order to "redeem" myself and pretend to take an interest, I asked Bruce if he still played the keyboards. Well, that the absolute wrong thing to ask the man who was already irritated about my lack of interest or knowledge in his music. He told me I didn't know the first thing about him or his music. He was visible angry. I wouldn't make that mistake again. It wasn't pretty.

[louielouie2000]

I really wouldn't put any stock into the idea that just because Dave's new album is country, that Stevie's will be too. It's clearly a concept album. Although, I have to say I like the sound of Dave's album from the clips we've heard... and I freaking detest country. If Stevie's album were to have that sort of flavor, I can't say I'd be upset at all. To me it isn't cheesy sounding or the old school country I detest (I shot my dog and my ma's in prison) lol.

[cliffdweller]

About ten years ago, I rang up Walter Egan at Barnes & Noble, and just a few years ago, I helped Billy Burnette find a CD at Tower Records. The first thing that came out of my mouth both times was "WHAT WAS IT LIKE WORKING WITH STEVIE NICKS?!!!" instead of talking about their own music, or just leavining them alone. Didn't wanna make the same mistake with Dave.

Don't worry, I'm sure they were happy just to be recognized.

[DashingDan]

smart move. I met Bruce Hornsby about 5 years ago and the first thing I asked him was about his work with Stevie on TOSOTM. We talked about Two Kinds of Love but he forgot the name of the other song he was involved in. I quickly reminded him that the title was Juliet. He seemed astounded I knew the name of it. I pressed him about her deal with Rupert...he said they seemed pretty "cozy" when the three of them had dinner. I never really asked anything about his own music which didn't sit very well. In order to "redeem" myself and pretend to take an interest, I asked Bruce if he still played the keyboards. Well, that the absolute wrong thing to ask the man who was already irritated about my lack of interest or knowledge in his music. He told me I didn't know the first thing about him or his music. He was visible angry. I wouldn't make that mistake again. It wasn't pretty.

Amazing story...still chuckling. Thanks for sharing.

"Stevie, what's it like to work with KENNY freakin' LOGGINS?! Oh, by the way, do you still sing and stuff?"

[RockAlot]

Amazing story...still chuckling. Thanks for sharing.

"Stevie, what's it like to work with KENNY freakin' LOGGINS?! Oh, by the way, do you still sing and stuff?":lol: And how is your sister Nancy?

[Sahara]

I really wouldn't put any stock into the idea that just because Dave's new album is country, that Stevie's will be too. It's clearly a concept album. Although, I have to say I like the sound of Dave's album from the clips we've heard... and I freaking detest country. If Stevie's album were to have that sort of flavor, I can't say I'd be upset at all. To me it isn't cheesy sounding or the old school country I detest (I shot my dog and my ma's in prison) lol.


I think you're right. I've heard some of Dave's work with Bryan Ferry and there's not a trace of it there. If there's country on the album, it'll come from Stevie, not Dave -- for better or worse! :shrug:

[Artemis]

I wonder if Dave would be used to stuff like that though. I imagine he would get asked about Annie Lennox all the time :laugh:

[Jondalar]

Has anyone heard I Saved the World Today, by the Eurythimics. It's produced like the 60s The Look of Love. It's totally atmospheric, yet demure. I'm thinking he's the perfect producer for Stevie Nicks becuase she is known for atmosphere. There is also lots of real horns on that song. I wonder if he brought any of that in to Stevie's music.

Anyway, Stevie already said that Annabelle Lee sounded very English and she loved it. Cheaper than Free is definitely couontry, but I really like what I heard. The lyrics make sense and their vocals are terrific. (She ruined Too Far Texas with a throwaway vocal.) Ummm, Everybody Loves You is AC, but very introspective AC. What she is saying in the song is that she knows people feel sorry for her because they think she is all alone and has no real home or kids.The Mike Campbell songs are rockers. If Lady from the Mountain is on the album I'm sure its a moody atmospheric piece.

We are getting an albums where each song is it's own thing. There is going to be plenty of mood changes on this album and that is definitely a good thing. Sorta like Lindsey's Out of the Cradle.

Anyway, I don't know how people can criticize Dave's production without first listeining to it. He's always done a good job and guess what. HE TAKES STEVIE SERIOUSLY. He believes in her. And judging from the fliming and stuff, he's ready to help market this album because he believes in it. I honestly don't think she's had a devoted producer since the Wild Heart. Dave likes her strangness, and I'm sure we are going to get something we will all like.

[wayner]

No one has mentioned 'Love Is' showing up on the new album.....It was Stevie's closing song in all 5 performances of the Tour That Never Was. and at MGM she went on after it mentioning that it was truly the 'third and final great ballad' , how it was written in 1995 and appeared on TISL, but that she was not happy with that version, and had come back to it when putting together the new album, and how we ( at MGM) were one of only 5 audiences (so far) to hear it in its new version
..... she seemed very pleased with it and i predict it will be on the new album
just my opinion

[Josh2003]

No one has mentioned 'Love Is' showing up on the new album.....It was Stevie's closing song in all 5 performances of the Tour That Never Was. and at MGM she went on after it mentioning that it was truly the 'third and final great ballad' , how it was written in 1995 and appeared on TISL, but that she was not happy with that version, and had come back to it when putting together the new album, and how we ( at MGM) were one of only 5 audiences (so far) to hear it in its new version
..... she seemed very pleased with it and i predict it will be on the new album
just my opinion

Same song on two different albums? Won't happen.

[TerraRhiannon]

No one has mentioned 'Love Is' showing up on the new album.....It was Stevie's closing song in all 5 performances of the Tour That Never Was. and at MGM she went on after it mentioning that it was truly the 'third and final great ballad' , how it was written in 1995 and appeared on TISL, but that she was not happy with that version, and had come back to it when putting together the new album, and how we ( at MGM) were one of only 5 audiences (so far) to hear it in its new version
..... she seemed very pleased with it and i predict it will be on the new album
just my opinion

I hope it's not on the new album, as much as I love that song, I really love the TISL version. there would be less room for other new songs if she put it on her new record :( In my opinion she should have a deluxe version of her album and maybe add her new version of 'Love Is' to that, as well as put 'Cheaper Than Free' with Dave on there. IMO.

[APerfectLie]

No one has mentioned 'Love Is' showing up on the new album.....It was Stevie's closing song in all 5 performances of the Tour That Never Was. and at MGM she went on after it mentioning that it was truly the 'third and final great ballad' , how it was written in 1995 and appeared on TISL, but that she was not happy with that version, and had come back to it when putting together the new album, and how we ( at MGM) were one of only 5 audiences (so far) to hear it in its new version
..... she seemed very pleased with it and i predict it will be on the new album
just my opinion

God I hope not. Not that I don't love it, but we already have it so it'd be a wasted track!

[Sahara]

I hope it's not on the new album, as much as I love that song, I really love the TISL version. there would be less room for other new songs if she put it on her new record :( In my opinion she should have a deluxe version of her album and maybe add her new version of 'Love Is' to that, as well as put 'Cheaper Than Free' with Dave on there. IMO.

Great idea. Loads of albums are being released that way now. :thumbsup:

[seekerj]

Same song on two different albums? Won't happen.

Crystal, Crystal, and Crystal

[mylittledemon]

Crystal, Crystal, and Crystal

:laugh:


;)

[sorcerer999]

I guess I'm a little too "forward" with my comments and questions, because both times that I've tweeted Dave, he's ignored me. Oh well. Maybe I'm asking questions that he's not allowed to answer.

[wheart]

I guess I'm a little too "forward" with my comments and questions, because both times that I've tweeted Dave, he's ignored me. Oh well. Maybe I'm asking questions that he's not allowed to answer.

I can just hear Stevie ..."Dave, don't even think about answering that tweet...". Or maybe she hasn't dreamed up a title yet but at this stage of the game, that seems a bit unlikely.

[PenguinHead]

Anyway, I don't know how people can criticize Dave's production without first listeining to it. He's always done a good job and guess what. HE TAKES STEVIE SERIOUSLY. He believes in her. And judging from the fliming and stuff, he's ready to help market this album because he believes in it. I honestly don't think she's had a devoted producer since the Wild Heart. Dave likes her strangness, and I'm sure we are going to get something we will all like.

I completely agree with everything you said, especially the last part. People seem very quick in their judgement and criticism. I will reserve comment until I hear the finished product. Making vast assumptions and critical opinions based on hearsay and snippets of works-in-progress is very unfair.

Is anyone here old enough to remember when the internet didn't exist? We had very little information about what was to come, except for little items written in magazines.

The fact that Dave is utilizing today's modes of direct communication is something we should respect. This is the new form of marketing and he's doing it for the benefit of Stevie. She, herself (0r her management) would probably would never even think of interfacing with fans in this direct manner.

Dave is Stevie's champion -- he respects her talent, has shown her a different way to work, and has inspired her. Really, what more can we ask for? Until I have the CD in my hands and on my stereo, I have nothing else to say about it.

[michelej1]

Crystal, Crystal, and Crystal

Yeah, but luckily they didn't all come out at the same time and compete with each other.

But thinking of songs that came out at the same time (like Heard it Through the Grapevine), wouldn't it be great if Dave and Stevie did two different versions of the song, for their respective albums? That would keep things fresh and interesting.

Michele

[sorcerer999]

Okay, so he finally answered me back to my question about if Stevie has a title for her new album yet.

DaveStewart

@DaveyPants999 - a few possible ones ;)

A vague answer...but at least he answered. :)

[Christopher]

Thats funny:laugh: at this point you'd hope she would have a few possible ones.

Really makes me believe that the photography and artwork have not been initiated if she hasn't settled on a title or concept.

I'm really interested to see what album title she settles on. I hope its a good one! An epic title in the same vein of her earlier albums specifically Bella Donna & The Wild Heart, and something that is symbolic of where she is today.

[sorcerer999]

As long as Chris Nicks doesn't have any input, I'll be a happy camper!

[Nikolaj]

The fact that Dave is utilizing today's modes of direct communication is something we should respect. This is the new form of marketing and he's doing it for the benefit of Stevie. She, herself (0r her management) would probably would never even think of interfacing with fans in this direct manner.

Dave is Stevie's champion -- he respects her talent, has shown her a different way to work, and has inspired her. Really, what more can we ask for? Until I have the CD in my hands and on my stereo, I have nothing else to say about it.

I agree with those well-thought and well-stated points, but I wonder if he really has 'shown her a different way to work'- I know that he said it, I know that she said it. I think the cd is going to be brilliant, it's been my gut feeling since hearing how quickly they'd recorded it, that was different. But this delay 'til March (?) 2o11 is unconscionable. A single could have been ready by late summer and the full cd could have been released by October. SN chose to wait, wanted to wait. Her call, absolutely. But now they've been tinkering with it for months, with months more to go before the release. A successful completion of 'an entirely new way to record an album' would have been for the cd to have been released quickly and not toil in post-production. It's about the songs, which are said to be great.
All the time that will have passed since their initial burst of creative energy until the cd finally drops dilutes the spontaneous synergy they achieved.
Having the music go through many months of mixing, post production and rethinking before it's released is exactly the same way she's worked for many years.
I would have liked to have seen confidence and a little boldness in just getting the cd out as quickly as it was recorded. Elton & Leon did it.

[GoldDustOrphan]

While it's very clear that Dave is her primary collaborator on this CD, everyone seems to be forgetting that he's not the only producer on-board, he just the only one using social networking tools to connect with fans, etc. Glen Ballard is the co-producer. Impressive resume of hit after hit as producer/co-writer of Morrissette's Jagged Little Pill, Dave Matthews, Aerosmith, Annie Lennox, and he was responsible for the first Wilson Phillips CD and Paula Abdul's debut, but those were two of the biggest selling CDs of the 80s with five top 10 hits to each one's credit.

[Nikolaj]

While it's very clear that Dave is her primary collaborator on this CD, everyone seems to be forgetting that he's not the only producer on-board, he just the only one using social networking tools to connect with fans, etc. Glen Ballard is the co-producer. Impressive resume of hit after hit as producer/co-writer of Morrissette's Jagged Little Pill, Dave Matthews, Aerosmith, Annie Lennox, and he was responsible for the first Wilson Phillips CD and Paula Abdul's debut, but those were two of the biggest selling CDs of the 80s with five top 10 hits to each one's credit.

You're right. I forgot that. I forget if I even knew about Ballard. I think maybe I didn't know, I don't remember. It always seemed to be about Stevie and Dave. I probably forgot.
I do know SN said in August interviews that they (she and Dave) were finished with recording and that she 'didn't want to' have the cd be released before Christmas- it was an option on the table that she declined.
I think it's fine it comes out when she wants for it to.
I just feel certain that an opportunity was missed for the songs to have an immediacy and fresh intensity that was a given at the time; due to unusually positive comments by Rolling Stone, other writers, and the thrilled music executive SN played tracks from the cd for.
I'm sure it will still be a very good cd, and I think Dave Stewart may wind up as being her best producer and collaborator in a long, long time.

[Artemis]

I'm thinking the delay until March is so Stevie can capitalize on the "ten years since her last studio album" / "30 years since her first studio album" dealio.

[Nikolaj]

^
Oh, that could have been spun, it's nearly 10 years, actual dates get fudged all the time.
I think SN wanted to be extra cautious, take her time, and possibly get herself rejuvenated in one way or another before the cd comes out, to look and feel her best when promoting it. That's fine, too. She'll turn 63 during the tour and deserves to pace herself and be comfortable. I still think the cd could have come out this year before the tour, ya know, so people may have 'known' the songs enough for her to do a bunch of new material at concerts and have it go over really well. I give her credit for how much of 'TISL' she put into her set back '10 years ago' when people had not had time to get very familiar with the cd. She went for it, though. Admirable.

[Nathan]

Love the sig, Artemis.

[CADreaming]

1. Italian Summer (Nicks-Stewart)
2. Wide Sargasso Sea (Nicks-Stewart)
3. Annabel Lee (Nicks-Stewart-Ballard)
4. The Ghosts Are Gone (Nicks-Campbell? or Nicks-Stewart)
5. Everybody Loves You (Nicks-Stewart)
6. The Soldier's Angel (Nicks)
7. New Orleans song (Nicks)
8. "Twilight song"
9. Mike Campbell Song #1
10. Mike Campbell Song #2 or unspecified Stewart collaboration
11. 1976 song (vault)
12. 1976 song (vault)
13. unspecified era vault song and/or Stewart collaboration
14 .unspecified era vault song and/or Stewart collaboration

Update:
"Cheaper Than Free" (Nicks-Stewart) replaces and unspecified Stewart collaboration.

[~GoldDustWoman~]

1. Italian Summer (Nicks-Stewart)
2. Wide Sargasso Sea (Nicks-Stewart)
3. Annabel Lee (Nicks-Stewart-Ballard)
4. The Ghosts Are Gone (Nicks-Campbell? or Nicks-Stewart)
5. Everybody Loves You (Nicks-Stewart)
6. The Soldier's Angel (Nicks)
7. New Orleans song (Nicks)
8. "Twilight song"
9. Mike Campbell Song #1
10. Mike Campbell Song #2 or unspecified Stewart collaboration
11. 1976 song (vault)
12. 1976 song (vault)
13. unspecified era vault song and/or Stewart collaboration
14 .unspecified era vault song and/or Stewart collaboration

Update:
"Cheaper Than Free" (Nicks-Stewart) replaces and unspecified Stewart collaboration.

Where do people get that Annabel Lee is on there? I've never heard the song but i've heard alot of ya'll talking about it, I know it's a poem by EAP.

[CADreaming]

Where do people get that Annabel Lee is on there? I've never heard the song but i've heard alot of ya'll talking about it, I know it's a poem by EAP.

From an interview (http://nickslive.blogspot.com/2010/07/new-stevie-nicks-interviewlots-of-info.html) Stevie did this past summer:

So the songwriting process was easier this time around?

Totally easier and way more fun. I have really never felt as in control of a situation, because Dave respects me totally as a writer and as a lyricist and as a poet. We have a song I wrote when I was 17 that is the words to an Edgar Allan Poem called “Annabel Lee.” It’s just lived in my head since I was 17. I didn’t record it about until 10 years ago. We found the demo and I’m not sure why I didn’t put it in “Trouble in Shangri-la,” but I guess things got misplaced.

Dave and Glen loved it, so we recorded it. It’s all my song except they wrote this 30-second English minuet thing that goes in the middle that is very Annabel Lee-esque. It’s fantastic. That was a good song without Dave, but with Dave and my musical director and lead guitarist Waddy Wachtel, between all of them they wrote this amazingly beautiful little piece of music. It just enhanced the song. I only know four chords so I could never write that. I took a month of guitar lessons when I was 15. I play with one note. I play well enough to write, but I don’t play enough to really play

[vivfox]

Last night I had this dream that I heard on the radio The Ghosts Are Gone. Luckily for us, in this dream, the song was played two different times. I remember thinking I needed to memorize some of the words so I could tell them to my Ledgie peeps.

The radio DJ, which was a woman, announced after the song was played the first time, that this was a new song by Stevie Nicks that was originally scheduled to be on her new album but was removed in favor of another track. This song, she stated was from an upcoming un-named soundtrack.

The second time this song came on I was able to share the soundtrack info with the two people in the room with me who were hearing it for their first time.

There was already a lead single from the album that radio was playing already but I hadn't heard that yet. This song was released at the same time as the lead song.

These are the lyrics I memorized:
And the President says
How long must we be at war?
Well the ghosts are gone
Yeah the ghosts are gone
They've haunted me
But now they're gone


When I awoke and was excited to write these words so I wouldn't forget them, I was singing it to myself over and over and then I realized something. Remember when Peacekeeper was released as a single and you realized you could sing Paul Simon's Kodachrome right along with it? Well I realized I could sing REM's Losing My Religion right along to The Ghosts are Gone. It is very similar only in the part I just related to you. The verses in the song sounded very Stevie Nicks and it was a catchy rock and roll song.

[RockAlot]

Not sure if this was posted already? This is getting exciting!

@jblogg Jeremy Welt SVP of New Media at Warner Bros Records had the opportunity to hear a playback yesterday of new music from Stevie Nicks... Was it the whole album? I wonder what his thoughts are on what he heard?

Things are moving forward!

[blinker12]

Updated to reflect inclusion of "Secret Love," from Rod Stewart Web site announcement naming it as the first single.

[Dodfather]

But this delay 'til March (?) 2o11 is unconscionable. A single could have been ready by late summer and the full cd could have been released by October. SN chose to wait, wanted to wait. Her call, absolutely. But now they've been tinkering with it for months, with months more to go before the release. A successful completion of 'an entirely new way to record an album' would have been for the cd to have been released quickly and not toil in post-production. It's about the songs, which are said to be great.
All the time that will have passed since their initial burst of creative energy until the cd finally drops dilutes the spontaneous synergy they achieved.
Having the music go through many months of mixing, post production and rethinking before it's released is exactly the same way she's worked for many years.
I would have liked to have seen confidence and a little boldness in just getting the cd out as quickly as it was recorded. Elton & Leon did it.

I could not agree with this more. It sums up exactly how I fweel about the whole thing. I'm excited for the album and pretty sure it will be great, but no excuse for it having taken so long.

[sorcerer999]

Updated to reflect inclusion of "Secret Love," from Rod Stewart Web site announcement naming it as the first single.

Boo. Really? Could this be the old vault song that she described as "having a child's voice" on the demo? I was never a fan of that one. Maybe the rerecorded "older, wiser" Stevie will make it good (along with Dave Stewart's production) but I don't know. Just have to wait and see.

[FM77]

Boo. Really? Could this be the old vault song that she described as "having a child's voice" on the demo? I was never a fan of that one. Maybe the rerecorded "older, wiser" Stevie will make it good (along with Dave Stewart's production) but I don't know. Just have to wait and see.

The new song sounds nothing like the demo you have heard. It is very good. Her voice is rich and very up front in the mix. It sounds like a single.

[CADreaming]

The new song sounds nothing like the demo you have heard. It is very good. Her voice is rich and very up front in the mix. It sounds like a single.

Excellent! :wavey:

[Christopher]

The new song sounds nothing like the demo you have heard. It is very good. Her voice is rich and very up front in the mix. It sounds like a single.

So if these new press release's are true, Stevie recorded her old demo "Secret Love"?:shocked:

This is a bit of a shock. I have to admit, of all Stevie's old demos, she has so many great/beautiful ones to choose from, this one never stood out. I thought this demo was always a cute little ditty with a sing-songy melody. But I never ever thought she would pull this one out over Forsaken Love, China Doll, Forest Of The Black Roses, Lady From The Mountain, She Still Loves Him, All The Beautiful Worlds and on and on.

By comparison when we heard Stevie was pulling out "Planets Of The Universe" ,"Sorcerer", & "Candlebright" from the vault for TISL. I think everyone was THRILLED beyond belief. "Secret Love" does not even rank up with those songs on the excitement meter.:shrug:

[Artemis]

I think that's what makes it all the more exciting though, it means that she doesn't have to live up to the old demo, she can put a completely fresh twist on it, without upsetting anyone.

[Sahara]

^^ This. :nod:

[gldstwmn]

The new song sounds nothing like the demo you have heard. It is very good. Her voice is rich and very up front in the mix. It sounds like a single.

Good! :blob1:

[RickRobert]

I think that's what makes it all the more exciting though, it means that she doesn't have to live up to the old demo, she can put a completely fresh twist on it, without upsetting anyone.

No Smile At You mk IIs :lol:

[markolas]

Did Stevie say she only recorded one "vault song" for the album, or did she mention two? I didn't remember the Secret Love demo at all, but I found it and listened to it. It was one that definitely had potential (an awful lot of her demos are not good and it's obvious why they were never properly recorded), tho I didn't think it was anything special. From the snippet we heard on the website, it sounds pretty good, tho.

[sorcerer999]

Did Stevie say she only recorded one "vault song" for the album, or did she mention two? I didn't remember the Secret Love demo at all, but I found it and listened to it. It was one that definitely had potential (an awful lot of her demos are not good and it's obvious why they were never properly recorded), tho I didn't think it was anything special. From the snippet we heard on the website, it sounds pretty good, tho.

In her interview with the VCStar, she says...

"I also dug out a lot of songs from the song vault. I pulled songs from 1976 that I don’t know why in the world did not go in the first Fleetwood Mac album. I must’ve misplaced the cassette. I had one of my backup singers, my sister-in-law Laurie, go to Phoenix and the storage vault where all of our old cassettes are. She found the cassette and I played it for Glen Ballard and Dave Stewart at the studio just a few days ago. It’s kind of been lost for 30 years."

This is a song you penned yourself?

"Yes, it was just me and a little piano. I think I wrote it in 1976, maybe even ’75. It sounds like I’m 5. Glen Ballard said, “So where has this little gem been hiding?”

I was able to pull four or five songs out of my song vault, and then a song I wrote about the “Twilight” movies and a song about Hurricane Katrina and New Orleans. So I came into this record with only two new songs. I had no idea I was going to write songs with Dave."

So, if 5 songs were written without Dave (since there are 14 tracks and she said 9 were co-written with Dave), and discounting Twilight & New Orleans songs, that leaves at least three songs she pulled from the vault. Of course we now know about "Annabelle Lee" and "Secret Love", which means there could be one more vault song that she rerecorded. Here's hoping!

[BombaySapphire3]

So, if 5 songs were written without Dave, and discounting Twilight & New Orleans songs, that leaves at least three songs she pulled from the vault. Of course we now know about "Annabelle Lee" and "Secret Love", which means there could be one more vault song that she rerecorded. Here's hoping!

I'm hoping for the strange Lady from the Mountain myself.After hearing the wonders performed on Secret Love I think it could be incredible.

[sorcerer999]

I'm hoping for the strange Lady from the Mountain myself.After hearing the wonders performed on Secret Love I think it could be incredible.

I would die a happy man if she rerecorded "Lady From The Mountain", and made it just as beautiful as "Secret Love"!!!

"Lady From The Mountain" is my all time favorite unreleased Stevie song! I'm not going to get my hopes up, though.

[APerfectLie]

I would die a happy man if she rerecorded "Lady From The Mountain", and made it just as beautiful as "Secret Love"!!!

"Lady From The Mountain" is my all time favorite unreleased Stevie song! I'm not going to get my hopes up, though.

I would love love love that too! She actually said she wanted to record it back in 2007 so I've been keeping my fingers crossed! I'd also love Christian or China Doll. Mabel Normand and City Of Hope are also on my list, but I feel they are unlikely. I guess we will see what she pulls out of her hat :]

[markolas]

I would love love love that too! She actually said she wanted to record it back in 2007 so I've been keeping my fingers crossed!

Where did she say this??

[APerfectLie]

Where did she say this??

It was actually 2009. Kim Stolz with MTV interviewed Stevie in 2009 and the first part of her interview was released and ended with "We'll have more from my interview in the coming days, including her answer to the most burning question of all: "Is it really over between her and Lindsey?" Yes, I got an answer, but you'll have to wait ..." but nothing more from this interview ever surfaced. However, early last year when word got out about Stevie making a new album, Kim tweeted this to Dave Stewart on March 5:

"@DaveStewart I interviewed stevie a year ago and she said she would release another song called lady from the mountain. Is that on it??"

[Sahara]

I was able to pull four or five songs out of my song vault, and then a song I wrote about the “Twilight” movies and a song about Hurricane Katrina and New Orleans. So I came into this record with only two new songs. I had no idea I was going to write songs with Dave."

Sweet merciful crap :eek: Seriously??? How did I miss this?

Oh Stevie. :distress: It had better be a rant!

[deltablues2]

I just wish new Stevie albums happened a lot more often.

[cristochango]

The Dealer <3

[tilthefirefades]

The Dealer <3

Blue Water!

[louielouie2000]

Blue Water!

I'm betting a modern day version of that song would rock my socks. So would Lady From the Mountain! :D

[Garbo]

At The Fair or All The Beautiful Worlds could be really interesting

[Jondalar]

Three Birds of Rhiannon is my favorite demo, but I also really the moodiness of Lady from the Mountain and I think China Doll is just a good song. Is Anybody There is also a good demo, but kind of coffee house small. I like the edgyness of Cecelia too the darkness of Forest of Black Roses

[PenguinHead]

The Dealer <3

That's one of my favorites!

[sorcerer999]

LFTM, Blue Water, Watchdevil, Mistaken Love & Christian (Spinning Wheels) are 5 songs that (in my humble opinion, of course) Stevie should re-record before she stops making music! Let's PRAY that "In Your Dreams" is not her last record! Hopefully, Dave has lit a fire under her ass to be more prolific in releasing records!

[sodascouts]

I'd love to hear her record China Doll, City of Hope, Sanctuary, She Loves Him Still, and Something Exquisite... to name a few.

[Nathan]

I think she's been sitting up in her
condo with her piano, playing
late into the night. facing NOT
northwest, to where I think is
Point Dune, but facing due freaking
west. to blue water.

and I think she's been playing it.
and so I think it will be in on
Your Dreams.

maybe a closer? not really updated, just refined.
like the Witherspoon beauty and the beast, but much
lighter, you know? heavy pianos, vocals.

blue water.
lady from the mountain, updated

in MY dreams, would be.....
Julia
City of Hope.

and

One More Tomorrow?

[pattyfan]

Space Needle, Watchdevil, Blue Water and...Cathouse Blues :) I know that's not hers, but I just adore her vocal on that demo. Oh, and If You Were My Love, and a studio version of Gold and Braid :)

Does anyone else see the irony in her choosing a ton of old songs for her new CD (as she did for TISL, well, maybe not a ton, but certainly a few) when every time she is interviewed she emphasizes that the most important thing for her is her songwriting? I'm not complaining, because I think her old songs are usually much better than her newer ones. Anyway, I can't wait to see the track listing. How long are we going to have to wait for that? :)

Kevin

[Artemis]

SDoes anyone else see the irony in her choosing a ton of old songs for her new CD (as she did for TISL, well, maybe not a ton, but certainly a few) when every time she is interviewed she emphasizes that the most important thing for her is her songwriting?

Sort of, but she normally tweaks them a little bit, so it's nice to see her insert a fresh "twist" on an old song.

Personally, I'd just be happy if Lady From The Mountains was recorded, it's my absolute favourite "vault" song (apart from the Angry version of Smile At You).

[BLY]

Remember we weren't suppose to hear those songs before they landed on an official release.So we have been spoiled over the years and know its all "old stuff" for us diehards.

[ontheEdgeof17]

blue water.
lady from the mountain, updated

in MY dreams, would be.....
Julia
City of Hope.

and

One More Tomorrow?

I would like to keep Julia in the vault. Take #5 is the ultimate, and I don't want it touched. It's perfect the way it is. :nod:

[mezzoforte]

I generally prefer Stevie's old demos to her albums. There's a purity to the sound that is lost, IMO, on the final tracks. In a way, Secret Love was a perfect choice because it's been largely forgotten. I'm really pleased with the way it came out, and think it works well with her new voice.
But, say, Julia? Possibly my favorite solo song off Stevie's ever. And as much as I would love to see it get attention, I don't think a new version could match to old demo.

[DallasDude]

Well, in recent times she has actually said she was not writing songs as much. That was the whole breakthrough that lead to TISL...when she asked Tom Petty to help her get back into writing songs.

I think what she really was saying all these years is she is always writing her poetry (which she then turns into songs). And even if she wrote a song a month, it doesn't mean they are all equally worthy, especially for an album.

[TheWILDheart]

I'm surprised that nobody has thought that "Secret Love" was the old demo she was referring to. I mean, we KNOW Stevie has trouble remembering when she did what, so it wouldn't come as a shock if she thought that demo was older than it is :confused:

[mitzo]

I am not much for a lot of the old demos, I see them as raw material and imagine what good production might do for some of them. What you get from them mostly is melody and lyrics in a raw form only.

[MacMan]

I'm surprised that nobody has thought that "Secret Love" was the old demo she was referring to. I mean, we KNOW Stevie has trouble remembering when she did what, so it wouldn't come as a shock if she thought that demo was older than it is :confused:

I actually think this Secret Love, or the demo is the tune that Glen Ballard called a gem from 1976. Her voice on the demo sounds very young...

[Jondalar]

I actually think this Secret Love, or the demo is the tune that Glen Ballard called a gem from 1976. Her voice on the demo sounds very young...

That is what I think too. He heard the lyrical hook and knew what he could do with it. This song has Glenn Ballard all over it.

[DallasDude]

Agreed..."Secret Love" is the song she eventually found on cassette in storage in Phoenix, that she played for Dave and Glenn. The production of it reminds me more than a little of Alanis Morrissette's sound.

[gldstwmn]

I would like to keep Julia in the vault. Take #5 is the ultimate, and I don't want it touched. It's perfect the way it is. :nod:

Yup. She nailed it on take 5.

[gldstwmn]

Agreed..."Secret Love" is the song she eventually found on cassette in storage in Phoenix, that she played for Dave and Glenn.

I have no doubt you're right.

[markolas]

I see them as raw material and imagine what good production might do for some of them. What you get from them mostly is melody and lyrics in a raw form only.

Agree totally. The majority of them are either "bleh" (i.e., you can tell why they were never recorded for an album) or have potential but need a lot of work (Secret Love being a case in point).

It doesn't sound like we're getting a crapload of old songs on this CD. I'm thinking Secret Love, Annabel Lee, and maybe one more. The rest will be new.

[Jondalar]

Agree totally. The majority of them are either "bleh" (i.e., you can tell why they were never recorded for an album) or have potential but need a lot of work (Secret Love being a case in point).

It doesn't sound like we're getting a crapload of old songs on this CD. I'm thinking Secret Love, Annabel Lee, and maybe one more. The rest will be new.

We are getting two more plus Annabelle Lee according to what she said she initially brought to the project. Lots of speculation that Lady from the Mountain is one of those songs. Then she wrote two new songs. So we are getting 6 songs that were not cowritten from her. However, I bet she gives Dave some writing credit for Annabelle Lee because of the bridge he wrote to it, which she loves.

[Artemis]

So... it's Secret Love + Annabell Lee + Two more vault songs. And the rest are all totally new? Considering the rumours that the CD has 14 tracks, 4 vault songs and ten new ones sound totally fair.

I'd love to see Cecelia or If You Were My Love along with Lady From The Mountains make the CD. I don't know why, but I really think she could do Lady From The Mountains justice if she released it now.

[Jondalar]

So... it's Secret Love + Annabell Lee + Two more vault songs. And the rest are all totally new? Considering the rumours that the CD has 14 tracks, 4 vault songs and ten new ones sound totally fair.

I'd love to see Cecelia or If You Were My Love along with Lady From The Mountains make the CD. I don't know why, but I really think she could do Lady From The Mountains justice if she released it now.

Wait a minute, something is not right. Maybe I wrong. She wrote Italian Summer, a song about Soldiers and a song about the Twilight Movies. Maybe we are just getting one more vault song. We aleady know that Secret Love and Annabelle Lee are in the can. She only brought 6 songs to the project. Wait! Plus, doesn't she have a song about New Orleans floating around.

[sorcerer999]

Wait a minute, something is not right. Maybe I wrong. She wrote Italian Summer, a song about Soldiers and a song about the Twilight Movies. Maybe we are just getting one more vault song. We aleady know that Secret Love and Annabelle Lee are in the can. She only brought 6 songs to the project. Wait! Plus, doesn't she have a song about New Orleans floating around.

Once again, in her interview with the VCStar, she says...

"I also dug out a lot of songs from the song vault. I pulled songs from 1976 that I don’t know why in the world did not go in the first Fleetwood Mac album. I must’ve misplaced the cassette. I had one of my backup singers, my sister-in-law Laurie, go to Phoenix and the storage vault where all of our old cassettes are. She found the cassette and I played it for Glen Ballard and Dave Stewart at the studio just a few days ago. It’s kind of been lost for 30 years."

This is a song you penned yourself?

"Yes, it was just me and a little piano. I think I wrote it in 1976, maybe even ’75. It sounds like I’m 5. Glen Ballard said, “So where has this little gem been hiding?”

I was able to pull four or five songs out of my song vault, and then a song I wrote about the “Twilight” movies and a song about Hurricane Katrina and New Orleans. So I came into this record with only two new songs. I had no idea I was going to write songs with Dave."

She said she pulled 4 or 5 songs from the vault, but we all know her memory is a bit muddy, especially when it comes to live, on the spot interviews. If 5 songs were written without Dave (since there are 14 tracks and she said 9 were co-written with Dave), and discounting Twilight & New Orleans songs, that leaves at least three songs she pulled from the vault. Of course we now know about "Annabelle Lee" and "Secret Love", which means there could be one more vault song that she rerecorded. Here's hoping!

Also, I do believe "Italian Summer" was a cowritten song with Dave...and now that I'm thinking about it, could "Soldier's Angel" be the third vault song, since it was written about 5 years ago?

[Jondalar]

Once again, in her interview with the VCStar, she says...

"I also dug out a lot of songs from the song vault. I pulled songs from 1976 that I don’t know why in the world did not go in the first Fleetwood Mac album. I must’ve misplaced the cassette. I had one of my backup singers, my sister-in-law Laurie, go to Phoenix and the storage vault where all of our old cassettes are. She found the cassette and I played it for Glen Ballard and Dave Stewart at the studio just a few days ago. It’s kind of been lost for 30 years."

This is a song you penned yourself?

"Yes, it was just me and a little piano. I think I wrote it in 1976, maybe even ’75. It sounds like I’m 5. Glen Ballard said, “So where has this little gem been hiding?”

I was able to pull four or five songs out of my song vault, and then a song I wrote about the “Twilight” movies and a song about Hurricane Katrina and New Orleans. So I came into this record with only two new songs. I had no idea I was going to write songs with Dave."

She said she pulled 4 or 5 songs from the vault, but we all know her memory is a bit muddy, especially when it comes to live, on the spot interviews. If 5 songs were written without Dave (since there are 14 tracks and she said 9 were co-written with Dave), and discounting Twilight & New Orleans songs, that leaves at least three songs she pulled from the vault. Of course we now know about "Annabelle Lee" and "Secret Love", which means there could be one more vault song that she rerecorded. Here's hoping!

Also, I do believe "Italian Summer" was a cowritten song with Dave...and now that I'm thinking about it, could "Soldier's Angel" be the third vault song, since it was written about 5 years ago?

Still doesn't make sense. What about the Mike Campbell tracks? Did Dave cowrite those too.
My understanding she wrote lyrics to his music.

[Christopher]

She mentioned @4 vault songs: all from the 70's (of which 2 we know: Secret Love & Annabel Lee-though demoed for TISL - was written in the 70's) in her interviews last August.I'm expecting a total of 3 vault songs. Coincidently Stevie also pulled out 3 older demos for TISL and 3 for SYW.

And though the rumor is Stevie recorded 14 songs (which may or may not include Cheaper Than Free). The other persistent rumor is that they are going to cut about 1-2 songs, which allows for a bonus track or two. I myself am anticipating a 12 track CD, which is fine, as long as they end up releasing the bonus tracks through other vehicles, and we end up with an album that is solid and consistent. Of course we'll always debate that the bonus track(s) should have made the final cut in lieu of another track ad-naseam as in "My Heart" and "Not Make Believe".

[ontheEdgeof17]

I'm guessing the "lost" cassette of songs may have been the so-called Fritz Demos...."Anybody Out There:", "See The World Go By", "I Need You", "Amber"....

.....those seem like more of something Stevie could have lost in storage, rather than "Secret Love".....SL seems like something she might have had out for awhile.

I could be totally wrong, per usual.

[Jondalar]

She mentioned @4 vault songs: all from the 70's (of which 2 we know: Secret Love & Annabel Lee-though demoed for TISL - was written in the 70's) in her interviews last August.I'm expecting a total of 3 vault songs. Coincidently Stevie also pulled out 3 older demos for TISL and 3 for SYW.

And though the rumor is Stevie recorded 14 songs (which may or may not include Cheaper Than Free). The other persistent rumor is that they are going to cut about 1-2 songs, which allows for a bonus track or two. I myself am anticipating a 12 track CD, which is fine, as long as they end up releasing the bonus tracks through other vehicles, and we end up with an album that is solid and consistent. Of course we'll always debate that the bonus track(s) should have made the final cut in lieu of another track ad-naseam as in "My Heart" and "Not Make Believe".

I liked the song My Heart, but not the way she sang it. It was like listening to someone scrape their fingers on a chalk board. Reminded me of her vocal on Too Far From Fexas. Not Make Believe was a dud. Bad song all the way around.

[StreetAngel86]

FOUR vault songs???????

so Secret Love & Annabel Lee

I def think If You Were My Love ... Stevie seems to rerecord that with every record she makes and the 4th one ... i would LOVE Cecelia though I would give my right eye if she added Prettiest Girl in the World ooooooooooooooooooooh *swoon* :eek:

[Sanne2]

I'm hoping for All The Beautifull Worlds and If You Were My Love, but it's probably going to something nobody was expecting.

[Christopher]

I'm hoping for All The Beautifull Worlds and If You Were My Love, but it's probably going to something nobody was expecting.
Kinda like Secret Love and Annabel Lee-didn't really see these 2 coming in a million years. It's probably a good move to release the lesser talked about demos then the beloved demos/outtakes, cause we already have such affection for those and mostly end up disappointed. I am in love with what they have done to "Secret Love". I'm trying not to play it very much, cause the sing songy melody has always been infectious, and now I just cant get it outta my head. I think this bodes well for "Annabel Lee".:nod: I would be happy for "Forest Of The Black Roses" & "Lady From The Mountain"at this point - I can see her pulling these off in her current voice. Ulimately I'm most anxious about the new songs we've never heard. Especially the co-written ones with Dave Stewart & Mike Campbell, I think these will produce the most interesting and innovative of all the compositions on the album. I'm hopeful that Dave esp. will stretch Stevie beyond her comfort zone, using more eleborate chord structures that lift up Stevies songs in a whole new thrilling direction.:] So Excited!

[AliceLover]

I'm still holding out for China Doll. :rolleyes:

[APerfectLie]

Guys, guys, guys.... this is STEVIE NICKS we are talking about. Stevie said her and Dave did nine songs, but Dave said they did seven songs. She also said two were with Mike Campbell. So I think Dave's seven and Mike's two make the nine and Stevie's solo 5. Which are: Twilight song, New Orleans song, Anabell Lee, Secret Love, and one other song. I also assumed this was all talked about before Cheaper Than Free was decided to be put on the album. Yet we are still hearing there will be 14 songs. So which song got cut? And how do we know the Twilight song wasn't something she wrote to a Mike Campbell track? And how did Stevie go into this with only 2 new songs yet have 4 or 5 (she lost count?) old demos yet only have 5 suffering Stevie songs? That means either some songs were cut. Perhaps the Twilight song or the New Orleans song won't make it. Either way, until we get a track list, we are just not going to know. We can't go on Stevie's words alone. Case in point:

"I pulled songs from 1976 that I don’t know why in the world did not go in the first Fleetwood Mac album."

Le sigh...

[APerfectLie]

Also, she goes from finding a tape of lost songs, to "this is a SONG you penned yourself?". Perhaps all the songs on the tape were just her and the piano: Secret Love, China Doll, Christian... and she was referring to the tape, not a specific song.

[APerfectLie]

I'm hoping for All The Beautifull Worlds and If You Were My Love, but it's probably going to something nobody was expecting.

If she pulls anything else random out of her ass, it better be Mabel Normand!!!! :blob2:

[Jondalar]

If she pulls anything else random out of her ass, it better be Mabel Normand!!!! :blob2:

Ok, after you posted this, I tried to find the Mabel demo on youtube. It's not posted. I've never even heard of that song before.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Ok, after you posted this, I tried to find the Mabel demo on youtube. It's not posted. I've never even heard of that song before.

Here you go: http://www.mediafire.com/?17oyo08oj428ogd

It's Stevie rambling at her best...or worst....whichever way you want to look at it.

[Jondalar]

Here you go: http://www.mediafire.com/?17oyo08oj428ogd

It's Stevie rambling at her best...or worst....whichever way you want to look at it.

Thank u for sharing that with me. I hope they DO NOT remake that song. She sounds coked up or drunk. She's just spouting off anything. It's not a song, just rambling.

[Bandon]

I hope Lindsey went into the studio to work with Stevie on a fabulous new song, but if it's an old demo, I would love to hear them to do "Without You". :nod:

[APerfectLie]

Thank u for sharing that with me. I hope they DO NOT remake that song. She sounds coked up or drunk. She's just spouting off anything. It's not a song, just rambling.

I will never understand anyone who ever say this. Anyone who says this is "rambling" apparently does not know the story of Mabel. The quality is poor, and perhaps she was coked up, but this song is far from a drunk, coked up babble. Mabel Normand was a real actress with a tragic life. This song speaks directly to the story of Mabel, but also illustrates the parallels to Stevie's life, making Mabel another personality of Stevie, like Lily and Sara. I feel this is a heartbreaking song and one that is severely underrated. I think it could be brilliant if redone today.

[APerfectLie]

I hope Lindsey went into the studio to work with Stevie on a fabulous new song, but if it's an old demo, I would love to hear them to do "Without You". :nod:

I'd love that or "You Won't Forget Me".

[Hawkeye]

Guys, guys, guys.... this is STEVIE NICKS we are talking about. Stevie said her and Dave did nine songs, but Dave said they did seven songs.

"I pulled songs from 1976 that I don’t know why in the world did not go in the first Fleetwood Mac album."

Le sigh...


Exactly. I don't think we can go by any of these numbers Stevie or Dave have given in interviews. Stevie can't even get simple years right. Dave is no better. 7 songs cowriten with Dave, for all we know Italian Summer is included in that bunch, maybe the Twilight song is The Ghosts Are Gone, maybe its in your Dreams. Maybe a song Stevie wrote with Mike Cambell was also written with Dave. We can't make any assumptions until we see the final tracklist with writing credits next to them.

[BlueDenimLamp]

FOUR vault songs???????

so Secret Love & Annabel Lee

I def think If You Were My Love ... Stevie seems to rerecord that with every record she makes and the 4th one ... i would LOVE Cecelia though I would give my right eye if she added Prettiest Girl in the World ooooooooooooooooooooh *swoon* :eek:

Time will tell...Didn't Dave say the actual recording was done fairly quickly...Like Wild Heart in 12 days...I hope these songs haven't been "Produced" to death with an overly slick sound...A few kind of basic sounding "Early days" Stevie might be nice...

[Jondalar]

I will never understand anyone who ever say this. Anyone who says this is "rambling" apparently does not know the story of Mabel. The quality is poor, and perhaps she was coked up, but this song is far from a drunk, coked up babble. Mabel Normand was a real actress with a tragic life. This song speaks directly to the story of Mabel, but also illustrates the parallels to Stevie's life, making Mabel another personality of Stevie, like Lily and Sara. I feel this is a heartbreaking song and one that is severely underrated. I think it could be brilliant if redone today.

It doesn't sound like a song. I'm glad she likes Mabel Normand. Why doesn't she write a song about Francis Farmer, while she is at? I mean if she could write a song about Mabel that sounded like Bette Davis Eyes, I would be sold. She's belting anything about Mabel.

[FM77]

Time will tell...Didn't Dave say the actual recording was done fairly quickly...Like Wild Heart in 12 days...I hope these songs haven't been "Produced" to death with an overly slick sound...A few kind of basic sounding "Early days" Stevie might be nice...

The album sounds great. The sound is very hip and "now" but earthy/organic. It is NOT slick. I even thought it sounded kind of alternative. The single sounds a like a different mix than what I heard on the disk a month ago but they often go in and mix singles differently.

[Meowi]

I can't wait, thanks for the heads up Fm77!

[Jondalar]

The album sounds great. The sound is very hip and "now" but earthy/organic. It is NOT slick. I even thought it sounded kind of alternative. The single sounds a like a different mix than what I heard on the disk a month ago but they often go in and mix singles differently.

Are there different singles planned then Secret Love? Nobody even mentioned that song as their favorite. It's suspicious. Seems like just a single to get people to preorder. I really like it though.

[FM77]

Are there different singles planned then Secret Love? Nobody even mentioned that song as their favorite. It's suspicious. Seems like just a single to get people to preorder. I really like it though.

When I was given the disk to listen to, In Your Dreams was thought to be the first single.

[RockALittle250]

When I was given the disk to listen to, In Your Dreams was thought to be the first single.

Maybe WB wants to wait until closer to the album release, and that may very well be the next single.

[Hawkeye]

wait why do we not have a full tracklisting if FM77 knows whats on the album? at least tell us what the vault songs are.

[Nathan]

wait why do we not have a full tracklisting if FM77 knows whats on the album? at least tell us what the vault songs are.

causethat's how he do.

[Hawkeye]

OK I just saw in the other thread you're just going from a disk with no song titles. Can you tell me if there are any songs "nearly at", "at" or "above" Fall From Graces level of rocking.

[FM77]

Yes, there are rockers on the record...

[Aussie W/Heart]

Thanks for the heads up once again FM77, I'm thrilled to hear there will be more than one rocking song to look forward to..Do you have any info regarding DS & Stevie's Documentary?? Have you seen any footage yet??

[ejof17]

What about All the Beautiful Worlds or Chanel Chanel?

[Jondalar]

What about All the Beautiful Worlds or Chanel Chanel?

those aren't on it

[BombaySapphire3]

Yes, there are rockers on the record...

Wow ..I had never heard that before!It is revelation only a true insider would know!:blob2:

[Jondalar]

Wow ..I had never heard that before!It is revelation only a true insider would know!:blob2:

Yeah, that's what I thinking. Big revelations! From all his posts, it's clear he is just trolling.

[mikebise]

Really? I believe him. Why do you think he's lying? I don't. He just rings of the truth to me for some reason.

Of course, "Sometimes she's a fool,
But you want that feeling..."
("Dial The Number")

[ejof17]

I would have loved for Julia to see the light of day. I mean, I really don't care for Annabelle Lee. Even Love and War would have been great.

[Jondalar]

Really? I believe him. Why do you think he's lying? I don't. He just rings of the truth to me for some reason.

Of course, "Sometimes she's a fool,
But you want that feeling..."
("Dial The Number")

He hasn't said one thing that was definite news. Questions like are there rock songs on the album are no brainers. He has not given any news whatsover. The only questions he can answer are the ones people can already answer, or take a good guess at.

[SapphireSister]

Yeah, that's what I thinking. Big revelations! From all his posts, it's clear he is just trolling.
I just think why say anything if you're not going to just come out and tell us what we want to know. It's like dangling candy in front of a baby. Just dropping little hints here and there isn't really fair. I would either a)not say anything or b)spill the beans.

[Jondalar]

I just think why say anything if you're not going to just come out and tell us what we want to know. It's like dangling candy in front of a baby. Just dropping little hints here and there isn't really fair. I would either a)not say anything or b)spill the beans.

Exactly, well said! Goo, goo, gaa, gaa!

[Bandon]

Exactly, well said! Goo, goo, gaa, gaa!

Whether or not he has really heard the CD (which I don't think he has), he is getting some perverse pleasure out of dangling vague hints. As you have said, he gives no new information, and if you read his posts, he always makes sure his post implies he has insider information. He's probably the same dude who was pulling this crap before TISL came out. LOL ...what a joke.:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[starshine]

I just think why say anything if you're not going to just come out and tell us what we want to know. It's like dangling candy in front of a baby. Just dropping little hints here and there isn't really fair. I would either a)not say anything or b)spill the beans.I've been reading alot too of what that poster has said or not said. I agree with SapphireSister. Do tell or why say anything at all? It doe not really make any sense at all. No offence but it sounds all secretive for some reason. Its like the magazines about the stars or shows where they talk about rumors but won't spill the beans in regarding what show or actor or actress its really about. Your suppose to figure it all out?? Just saying. :shrug:

[mylittledemon]

Yes, there are rockers on the record...

what songs?

[vivfox]

what songs?


The New Orleans song is prolly a rocker.

[Bandon]

what songs?

I can't wait to hear the response we're gonna get for this one. I'm thinking he will get to the point when he says something like, "Well if you don't think I'm telling you the truth, then fine I won't give you anymore information." Another manipulation ploy.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

BTW...He said he only has track numbers and not song titles; well take a guess. He can at least guess the title of a song....but he won't......:lol::lol::lol:

[michelej1]

Whether or not he has really heard the CD (which I don't think he has), he is getting some perverse pleasure out of dangling vague hints.

Dave Stewart does the same thing though.

Michele

[Jondalar]

I can't wait to hear the response we're gonna get for this one. I'm thinking he will get to the point when he says something like, "Well if you don't think I'm telling you the truth, then fine I won't give you anymore information." Another manipulation ploy.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

BTW...He said he only has track numbers and not song titles; well take a guess. He can at least guess the title of a song....but he won't......:lol::lol::lol:

Yeah, he has nothing to offer. Even if he has heard the album, he's not going to give us any insight.

[CADreaming]

Yeah, he has nothing to offer. Even if he has heard the album, he's not going to give us any insight.

I guess we'll know if one of the two mystery songs has the lyric "I used to think you were an angel"...

[Jondalar]

I guess we'll know if one of the two mystery songs has the lyric "I used to think you were an angel"...

the album will probably drop with Lady from the Mountain on it LOL

[CADreaming]

the album will probably drop with Lady from the Mountain on it LOL

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Oh, the suspense...

[APerfectLie]

I can't wait to hear the response we're gonna get for this one. I'm thinking he will get to the point when he says something like, "Well if you don't think I'm telling you the truth, then fine I won't give you anymore information." Another manipulation ploy.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

BTW...He said he only has track numbers and not song titles; well take a guess. He can at least guess the title of a song....but he won't......:lol::lol::lol:

This is what reeks of troll to me. His latest posts have been saying he wasn't given song titles, so therefore, he doesn't know the song titles! Nor could he seem to guess at what they'd be called. But in an earlier post, he said he was specifically asked not to mention the song titles. So which is it? You don't know the song titles or you can't mention them? Oh it is always difficult to keep up with one's own lies.

[pwyll]

This is why I don't post here too often because so many people just want to attack.

I don't know FM77, but like Mikebise, I believe him. If I recall from reading a few of FM77's posts, he said he "heard" the album. He doesn't "have" it. He is also going from memory on what he may have heard only once.

I personally had Shangri La and Lindsey's CD's months before they came out, but the last thing I considered doing was posting anything about it here. If you talk about it and don't share anything you're a troll. There are so many people here that "expect" that the intire album should be uploaded here if you happen to have it or even slip that you do. Is that right?

One one more thing. The advance CD's have watermarks embedded in them. Their purpose is to track down the person who uploaded it. So if Warner/Reprise knew the cd or even tracks from it were uploaded on the ledge or anywhere for that matter, they could find out who leaked it just from the upload information.

Sharing is a personal thing and is solely up to that person. FM77 is being very generous with the information he has provided thus far. People should be thankful for that and not "expect" anything more.

My two cents.

[Jondalar]

This is why I don't post here too often because so many people just want to attack.

I don't know FM77, but like Mikebise, I believe him. If I recall from reading a few of FM77's posts, he said he "heard" the album. He doesn't "have" it. He is also going from memory on what he may have heard only once.

I personally had Shangri La and Lindsey's CD's months before they came out, but the last thing I considered doing was posting anything about it here. If you talk about it and don't share anything you're a troll. There are so many people here that "expect" that the intire album should be uploaded here if you happen to have it or even slip that you do. Is that right?

One one more thing. The advance CD's have watermarks embedded in them. Their purpose is to track down the person who uploaded it. So if Warner/Reprise knew the cd or even tracks from it were uploaded on the ledge or anywhere for that matter, they could find out who leaked it just from the upload information.

Sharing is a personal thing and is solely up to that person. FM77 is being very generous with the information he has provided thus far. People should be thankful for that and not "expect" anything more.

My two cents.

He hasn't provided any information at all. He sorta led us on a wild goose chase. Either put up or shut up. If you've heard the album but don't want to say a thing about fine. But don't lead people on wild lyric hunts and crap like that. He knew exactly what he was doing. Your post is manipulative in its own right. You have the priviledge of gettting music before hand, so you think you can sit back and judge. No. If you heard the album, but aren't going to say anything about it,why tell people you heard the album? This is a fansite. You know exactly what kind of questions you are going to get.

[APerfectLie]

This is why I don't post here too often because so many people just want to attack.

I don't know FM77, but like Mikebise, I believe him. If I recall from reading a few of FM77's posts, he said he "heard" the album. He doesn't "have" it. He is also going from memory on what he may have heard only once.

I personally had Shangri La and Lindsey's CD's months before they came out, but the last thing I considered doing was posting anything about it here. If you talk about it and don't share anything you're a troll. There are so many people here that "expect" that the intire album should be uploaded here if you happen to have it or even slip that you do. Is that right?

One one more thing. The advance CD's have watermarks embedded in them. Their purpose is to track down the person who uploaded it. So if Warner/Reprise knew the cd or even tracks from it were uploaded on the ledge or anywhere for that matter, they could find out who leaked it just from the upload information.

Sharing is a personal thing and is solely up to that person. FM77 is being very generous with the information he has provided thus far. People should be thankful for that and not "expect" anything more.

My two cents.

I completely understand your point of view, but nobody here is asking him to upload the tracks or upload anything for that matter. Nobody even asked him to inform us that he heard it, but he chose to do so. And he has continued to fuel the flames by posting replies that flaunt the fact that he has heard the album and knows more than he is willing to share. And he has be very generous with his information? What information? He has given us nothing. I understand if someone hears the album and doesn't want to share info. If so, don't post. Or if you just want to tell everyone you did hear it and it is amazing, then do so, but in one post. Simply say "I had the chance to hear the album because... blah blah blah... and it is amazing. I am not allowed to share any details, but you guys won't be let down... blah blah blah.." and end your post. However, if you continue to egg on the fact that you have heard the album, and you ask people to post lyrics to demos to see if you can help find out which one made it, yet at the end of the day you are unable to provide a single piece of new information, then I call bull****. FM77 needs to **** or get off the pot.

My two cents.

[pwyll]

He hasn't provided any information at all. He sorta led us on a wild goose chase. Either put up or shut up. If you've heard the album but don't want to say a thing about fine. But don't lead people on wild lyric hunts and crap like that. He knew exactly what he was doing. Your post is manipulative in its own right. You have the priviledge of gettting music before hand, so you think you can sit back and judge. No. If you heard the album, but aren't going to say anything about it,why tell people you heard the album? This is a fansite. You know exactly what kind of questions you are going to get.

My case in point. Thank you.

[pwyll]

I completely understand your point of view, but nobody here is asking him to upload the tracks or upload anything for that matter. Nobody even asked him to inform us that he heard it, but he chose to do so. And he has continued to fuel the flames by posting replies that flaunt the fact that he has heard the album and knows more than he is willing to share. And he has be very generous with his information? What information? He has given us nothing. I understand if someone hears the album and doesn't want to share info. If so, don't post. Or if you just want to tell everyone you did hear it and it is amazing, then do so, but in one post. Simply say "I had the chance to hear the album because... blah blah blah... and it is amazing. I am not allowed to share any details, but you guys won't be let down... blah blah blah.." and end your post. However, if you continue to egg on the fact that you have heard the album, and you ask people to post lyrics to demos to see if you can help find out which one made it, yet at the end of the day you are unable to provide a single piece of new information, then I call bull****. FM77 needs to **** or get off the pot.

My two cents.

Another example. Case in point.

If you don't believe him or think he's bull****ting, just pass through his posts. Simply saying it is "an amazing album and we are all going to love it" doesn't bother me. He could equally have said it was a disappointment and a drag. Look forward to the release and enjoy what tidbits we have gotten. If we get any cool information in the meantime, that's just gravy.
Take it from someone who used to be obsessive and as thirsty for information as anybody, there are more important things in life to focus on.
Choose to believe him or not. But attacking isn't necessary.

I guess for a while I'll be considered somewhat of a troll because I gave my opinion.

[Jondalar]

Another example. Case in point.

If you don't believe him or think he's bull****ting, just pass through his posts. Simply saying it is "an amazing album and we are all going to love it" doesn't bother me. He could equally have said it was a disappointment and a drag. Look forward to the release and enjoy what tidbits we have gotten. If we get any cool information in the meantime, that's just gravy.
Take it from someone who used to be obsessive and as thirsty for information as anybody, there are more important things in life to focus on.
Choose to believe him or not. But attacking isn't necessary.

I guess for a while I'll be considered somewhat of a troll because I gave my opinion.

You lost your case.

[Blue Lamp 64]

With the tracks listing like that In You Dreams will be a beautiful album like all other Stevie albums she ever releast, I am looking forward to obtain the album when it's out in May 5th!!

[APerfectLie]

Another example. Case in point.

If you don't believe him or think he's bull****ting, just pass through his posts. Simply saying it is "an amazing album and we are all going to love it" doesn't bother me. He could equally have said it was a disappointment and a drag. Look forward to the release and enjoy what tidbits we have gotten. If we get any cool information in the meantime, that's just gravy.
Take it from someone who used to be obsessive and as thirsty for information as anybody, there are more important things in life to focus on.
Choose to believe him or not. But attacking isn't necessary.

I guess for a while I'll be considered somewhat of a troll because I gave my opinion.

I focus on way more things than The Ledge, but it is my place to get away from life and indulge in my Stevie obsession. Nothing is more irksome than seeing someone lead the whole board on a wild goose chase with no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Therefore, I have every right to call him out on his shenanigans. I honestly don't give a damn if he has heard the album or what he thinks about it, but I do wish he would stop making post after post with no information. He heard the album and isn't willing to share anything? Great, now let's move on, don't continue to post replies that insinuate that you know and may possibly share more than what you have already told us. If you do so, then yes, you are a troll. You are someone who is deliberately making posts to evoke a massive response. Especially if your posts contradict themselves. If he feels unjustly attacked in any way, he can simply refrain from posting. It wouldn't bother me a bit.

[Jondalar]

I focus on way more things than The Ledge, but it is my place to get away from life and indulge in my Stevie obsession. Nothing is more irksome than seeing someone lead the whole board on a wild goose chase with no pot at the end of the rainbow. Therefore, I have every right to call him out on his shenanigans. I honestly don't give a damn if he has heard the album or what he thinks about it, but I do wish he would stop making post after post with no information. He heard the album and evokeisn't willing to share anything? Great, now let's move on, don't continue to post replies that insinuate that you know and may possibly share more than what you have already told us. If you do so, then yes, you are a troll. You are someone who is deliberately making posts to massive response. Especially if your posts contradict themselves. If he feels unjustly attacked in any way, he can simply refrain from posting. It wouldn't bother me a bit.

Ummm, I agree.

[CADreaming]

With the tracks listing like that In You Dreams will be a beautiful album like all other Stevie albums she ever releast, I am looking forward to obtain the album when it's out in May 5th!!

You'll be happy to know that is actually due out on May 3rd. :)

[Bandon]

Ummm, I agree.

Me too!....................

[Blue Lamp 64]

You'll be happy to know that is actually due out on May 3rd. :)

Thanks Dreaming I totally forgot the album dew date :rolleyes:

[pwyll]

You lost your case.

Lost my case Jondalar? There is nothing to lose here. There are thankfully a lot of intelligent folk here that get exactly what I'm saying, so no loss.

It's pretty silly but you actually suggest you won something here?

Get a life man.

[FM77]

Thanks for the heads up once again FM77, I'm thrilled to hear there will be more than one rocking song to look forward to..Do you have any info regarding DS & Stevie's Documentary?? Have you seen any footage yet??

I have seen videos/and footage. Most of it was video that Dave shot of the "making of the record" at Stevie's house. I saw a video that is absolutely beautiful of Cheaper than Free.

[FM77]

Wow ..I had never heard that before!It is revelation only a true insider would know!:blob2:

The Ghosts are Gone rocks..if that is the actual song title. There is another one (I think its Wide Sargassa Sea) but for the 200th time, I didn't have the titles--I am only going off lyrics or partial lyrics I remember. I never said I was an insider, la douche. I answered questions posted. Someone asked if I was in the music biz and I said yes. I described the sound of the record, the guitar-heavy sound and how great I thought her voice sounded.

I posted what I honestly remember from hearing the disk 3-4 times in its entirety in Dec. I do not have the disk any longer. I would know the record by heart if that were the case. I do know that songs speculated here were not on the record and commented on it. If I knew the name of the song I heard and loved as my favorite on the disk, I would tell you but I don't. I don't know any of the songs titles except the same ones everyone else knows or Dave mentioned.

Do I regret saying anything to the asshole majority here? Yes.

[Jondalar]

Lost my case Jondalar? There is nothing to lose here. There are thankfully a lot of intelligent folk here that get exactly what I'm saying, so no loss.

It's pretty silly but you actually suggest you won something here?

Get a life man.

You kept saying case over and over again. Yes, there are a lot of intelligent people on here, who know when they are being had. The retorts against him weren't that bad. He called us douche bags, we called him a troll.Big woop! You get over it. Quit whining.

[mylittledemon]

Do I regret saying anything to the asshole majority here? Yes.

Please don't resort to vulgarity. You're gonna end up getting booted if you don't watch it.

Calling everyone "assholes" is just as mature as you coming in here telling us you've heard Stevie's new record and expecting not to get flack for it. That's great that you've heard the record, wonderful. Really, it is. But if you can't offer any information about it, then let's be honest... There's no real reason for you to mention you've heard the album. You just open yourself up for blasting. The proper & professional thing to do would've been not to mention it at all; whether you have heard it or you haven't.

[pwyll]

Please don't resort to vulgarity. You're gonna end up getting booted if you don't watch it.

Calling everyone "assholes" is just as mature as you coming in here telling us you've heard Stevie's new record and expecting not to get flack for it. That's great that you've heard the record, wonderful. Really, it is. But if you can't offer any information about it, then let's be honest... There's no real reason for you to mention you've heard the album. You just open yourself up for blasting. The proper & professional thing to do would've been not to mention it at all; whether you have heard it or you haven't.

FM77 - You saw my posts defending you. Unfortunately this is what you got just for being a nice, honest guy.

I will let you respond to the above post from "mylittledemon." But I just have to laugh about their comment that you should have been "proper and professional" and not posted that you had heard the album because you could/ did not provide enough information. I for one, think you provided more than you had to and appreciate the insight you have given us.

Thanks.

[henryscutter]

Since most of the threads on here are mostly just opinions, I am glad to hear any insight at all from someone who has heard IYD. FM77 has not made any outrageous claims or flamed anyone so I dont think it is fair to call him a troll. I know everyone is craving info but he has stated what he knows and I am glad to hear that it sounds kinda alternative and quite a few songs rock. We dont want to scare away anyone else who might want to share info it is a long wait til May 3rd. :eek:

[pwyll]

Since most of the threads on here are mostly just opinions, I am glad to hear any insight at all from someone who has heard IYD. FM77 has not made any outrageous claims or flamed anyone so I dont think it is fair to call him a troll. I know everyone is craving info but he has stated what he knows and I am glad to hear that it sounds kinda alternative and quite a few songs rock. We dont want to scare away anyone else who might want to share info it is a long wait til May 3rd. :eek:

Someone else gets it. Amen!!!

[Jondalar]

FM77 - You saw my posts defending you. Unfortunately this is what you got just for being a nice, honest guy.

I will let you respond to the above post from "mylittledemon." But I just have to laugh about their comment that you should have been "proper and professional" and not posted that you had heard the album or did not provide enough information (timely). I for one, appreciate the insight you have given us.

Thanks.

Fake outrage. These guys are pulling something.

He didn't give any insight. Is he your friend or something? Obviously you both have access to albums early for some reason. How do you know he is a nice guy? I mean I guess I you see things from his perspective and have little life experience.

I'm finding these posts very manipulative. Scare away people from the site? Huh? In other words, don't criticize some one who throws out words like assholes and douche bags. Out of the blue, pwll chimes in with a long whine over nothing. Something is up.

[RockALittle250]

Who knew Stevie's new album would create such drama on The Ledge? :rolleyes:

[Jondalar]

Who knew Stevie's new album would create such drama on The Ledge? :rolleyes:

It's not real drama. It's basically fake outrage by some people who want to feel important.

[10kRedSolids]

Please don't resort to vulgarity. You're gonna end up getting booted if you don't watch it.

Calling everyone "assholes" is just as mature as you coming in here telling us you've heard Stevie's new record and expecting not to get flack for it. That's great that you've heard the record, wonderful. Really, it is. But if you can't offer any information about it, then let's be honest... There's no real reason for you to mention you've heard the album. You just open yourself up for blasting. The proper & professional thing to do would've been not to mention it at all; whether you have heard it or you haven't.

Why would someone telling fans on a message board that they've heard Stevie's new record expect to get flack for it? It's absurd to suggest that someone with inside information should just keep their mouth shut instead of being generous enough to share whatever information they can with other fans. I think the majority on here who continually attack the messenger for offering bits and pieces of info are just being childish and are perhaps a bit jealous that there are some people out there who have heard the new music months before its release. As Pwyll said, if you don't believe him, move on - but there's no need to attack him.

[pwyll]

Fake outrage. These guys are pulling something.

He didn't give any insight. Is he your friend or something? Obviously you both have access to albums early for some reason. How do you know he is a nice guy? I mean I guess I you see things from his perspective and have little life experience.

I'm finding these posts very manipulative. Scare away people from the site? Huh? In other words, don't criticize some one who throws out words like assholes and douche bags. Out of the blue, pwll chimes in with a long whine over nothing. Something is up.

Dude...you are sounding so paranoid. Hmmm.

First did I say I had this album? NO I didn't. And I don't have it!! I said I had Shangri La and Lindsey's. Also, I don't know FM77. We never even communicated on this site.
There is no conspiracy here (or is there? hmmmm.....). FM77 ?
Also, how is it that you are finding our respective posts "manipulative?" What are you afraid of? Do you really think we are plotting to drive the masses out of Seven wonders because there can be a lot of idiots here?
The intelligent ones of us who, by the way have "significant life experience," understand what we are dealing with here.
I just finally had enough of seeing such stupid comments coming out of so many....what did FM call them? ....

Jon - Take some time ( it seems you have a lot of it) and revisit all of FM77's posts right down to a few above this one. Tell us then that he hasn't shared any information or cool tidbits. Unfortunatley people can be jealous and gluttenous and never have enough around here.
Peace.

[Jondalar]

Why would someone telling fans on a message board that they've heard Stevie's new record expect to get flack for it? It's absurd to suggest that someone with inside information should just keep their mouth shut instead of being generous enough to share whatever information they can with other fans. I think the majority on here who continually attack the messenger for offering bits and pieces of info are just being childish and are perhaps a bit jealous that there are some people out there who have heard the new music months before its release. As Pwyll said, if you don't believe him, move on - but there's no need to attack him.

First of all, he didn't offer bits and pieces of anything. He only told what we already knew. Stuff such as the Ghosts are Gone being a real rocker are well known. Second, he led he on a wild goose. Third, he's calling people assholes and doucebags which is a lot worse than trolling. Lastly, him and some other people are full of fake outrage.

It's time for them to move on, not us. Stevie hasn't released album in 10 years. This is one of the places where people are trying to get information about the new album, not to be played with.

[pwyll]

Why would someone telling fans on a message board that they've heard Stevie's new record expect to get flack for it? It's absurd to suggest that someone with inside information should just keep their mouth shut instead of being generous enough to share whatever information they can with other fans. I think the majority on here who continually attack the messenger for offering bits and pieces of info are just being childish and are perhaps a bit jealous that there are some people out there who have heard the new music months before its release. As Pwyll said, if you don't believe him, move on - but there's no need to attack him.

10KRedSolids - Thanks for being another one of the adults here that get this simple behavior.

Amen.

[Jondalar]

Dude...you are sounding so paranoid. Hmmm.

First did I say I had this album? NO I didn't. And I don't have it!! I said I had Shangri La and Lindsey's. Also, I don't know FM77. We never even communicated on this site.
There is no conspiracy here (or is there? hmmmm.....). FM77 ?
Also, how is it that you are finding our respective posts "manipulative?" What are you afraid of? Do you really think we are plotting to drive the masses out of Seven wonders because there can be a lot of idiots here?
The intelligent ones of us who, by the way have "significant life experience," understand what we are dealing with here.
I just finally had enough of seeing such stupid comments coming out of so many....what did FM call them? ....

Jon - Take some time ( it seems you have a lot of it) and revisit all of FM77's posts right down to a few above this one. Tell us then that he hasn't shared any information or cool tidbits. Unfortunatley people can be jealous and gluttenous and never have enough around here.
Peace.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, fake outrage, fake outrage....

[Jondalar]

10KRedSolids - Thanks for being another one of the adults here that get this simple behavior.

Amen.

Very adult behavior. Very passive aggressive.

[pwyll]

Blah, blah, blah, blah, fake outrage, fake outrage....

What does fake outrage mean? What does it do? Please explain to an adult who doesn't understand these things.

[10kRedSolids]

First of all, he didn't offer bits and pieces of anything. He only told what we already knew. Stuff such as the Ghosts are Gone being a real rocker are well known. Second, he led he on a wild goose. Third, he's calling people assholes and doucebags which is a lot worse than trolling. Lastly, him and some other people are full of fake outrage.

It's time for them to move on, not us. Stevie hasn't released album in 10 years. This is one of the places where people are trying to get information about the new album, not to be played with.

:sigh: Look, if the same group of people kept calling me a fake and a troll after I tried to do something sincerely nice for the fans, I would get pretty pissed too (I speak from experience). This guy doesn't act like a troll at all. He's not an attention whore who has routinely taken over thread after thread, he's just given pieces of info here and there in a very casual manner - I personally believe him. You don't have to if you don't want to, but stop with the name-calling and the labels - it's childish.

[mylittledemon]

FM77 - You saw my posts defending you. Unfortunately this is what you got just for being a nice, honest guy.

I will let you respond to the above post from "mylittledemon." But I just have to laugh about their comment that you should have been "proper and professional" and not posted that you had heard the album because you could/ did not provide enough information. I for one, think you provided more than you had to and appreciate the insight you have given us.

Thanks.


If he works in the music industry then he knows what he can and can't say regarding new releases. It's the same in the film industry. That's what I meant by proper and professional.

And when I said "But if you can't provide information about it" ; that wasn't a question. It's a statement saying if you haven't told us anything that we don't already know (he admitted only knowing what Dave has tweeted)... then that's why there is no reason to tell everyone you've heard the record.

[Jondalar]

What does fake outrage mean? What does it do? Please explain to an adult who doesn't understand these things.

Your not an adult. All you have done is whine like a baby over nothing.

[pwyll]

Your not an adult. All you have done is whine like a baby over nothing.

Ughh...you're a lost case.

[pwyll]

Ughh...you're a lost case.

Oh...and you forgot to provide the definition of "fake outrage."

If I am trying to create it, shouldn't I know what it is/used for?

[Jondalar]

Ughh...you're a lost case.

and you are not a matyr, neither is fm... end of conversation... hopefully someone with some real insights and new information will post on this site soon.

P.S. Fake outrage is a tactic to get your way or to divert attention from things. In this case, it's to divert the fact that FM is a troll and has given no new insights or information about Stevie's new album. He's just repeating things that have been out there for awhile.

NEXT

[APerfectLie]

Dude...you are sounding so paranoid. Hmmm.

First did I say I had this album? NO I didn't. And I don't have it!! I said I had Shangri La and Lindsey's. Also, I don't know FM77. We never even communicated on this site.
There is no conspiracy here (or is there? hmmmm.....). FM77 ?
Also, how is it that you are finding our respective posts "manipulative?" What are you afraid of? Do you really think we are plotting to drive the masses out of Seven wonders because there can be a lot of idiots here?
The intelligent ones of us who, by the way have "significant life experience," understand what we are dealing with here.
I just finally had enough of seeing such stupid comments coming out of so many....what did FM call them? ....

Jon - Take some time ( it seems you have a lot of it) and revisit all of FM77's posts right down to a few above this one. Tell us then that he hasn't shared any information or cool tidbits. Unfortunatley people can be jealous and gluttenous and never have enough around here.
Peace.

All I have to say is that it is rather peculiar that the only ones defending FM77 are those who rarely post here.
Also, figure out what forum you are on.
And I have revisited all of FM77's posts before I decided he was a troll. It was then that I realized that everything he said in relation to the album had already been said.
Now I am done wasting my time with those who spend their life posting vapid posts severely lacking in substance and get deeply offended when one points out their insignificance.

[DavidMn]

The Ghosts are Gone rocks..if that is the actual song title. There is another one (I think its Wide Sargassa Sea) but for the 200th time, I didn't have the titles--I am only going off lyrics or partial lyrics I remember. I never said I was an insider, la douche. I answered questions posted. Someone asked if I was in the music biz and I said yes. I described the sound of the record, the guitar-heavy sound and how great I thought her voice sounded.

I posted what I honestly remember from hearing the disk 3-4 times in its entirety in Dec. I do not have the disk any longer. I would know the record by heart if that were the case. I do know that songs speculated here were not on the record and commented on it. If I knew the name of the song I heard and loved as my favorite on the disk, I would tell you but I don't. I don't know any of the songs titles except the same ones everyone else knows or Dave mentioned.

Do I regret saying anything to the asshole majority here? Yes.You have been reported to the mods for your foul language. You dont belong on this board in my opinion if you resort to acting like a 2 year old. Quite honestly, I dont care what you do or dont know, but your abusive word choice totally crossed the line and like I said you have been reported.

[Meowi]

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Trolls don't belong on the Ledge, they belong on 4chan

[mylittledemon]

Why would someone telling fans on a message board that they've heard Stevie's new record expect to get flack for it? It's absurd to suggest that someone with inside information should just keep their mouth shut instead of being generous enough to share whatever information they can with other fans. I think the majority on here who continually attack the messenger for offering bits and pieces of info are just being childish and are perhaps a bit jealous that there are some people out there who have heard the new music months before its release. As Pwyll said, if you don't believe him, move on - but there's no need to attack him.


I never once attacked this person. I only chimed in when he/she felt the need to personally insult everyone by calling them assholes.

[mikebise]

All I have to say is that it is rather peculiar that the only ones defending FM77 are those who rarely post here.


Really?

I think FM77 has a ring of truth to him. I'm using my Stevie Gemini Intuition here. He's never gone, "I know something you don't know!", not once. He seems laid back, gets a little frustrated when pushed too far, like everyone on the planet except for Gandhi.

The Vault/Mike Campbell songs are not ones he's familiar with. Maybe we don't know all of Stevie's songs in our incessant lyrics postings. Maybe they are truly unknown songs. And, no, I didn't know "Wide Sargasso Sea" was a rocker.

I'm not laying down my life for FM77. I just think his posts have a ring of honesty in them. And people can call him out on it, that's what comes with it. But to say:

"All I have to say is that it is rather peculiar that the only ones defending FM77 are those who rarely post here."

Well, that's not entirely true.

[HejiraNYC]

Really?

I think FM77 has a ring of truth to him. I'm using my Stevie Gemini Intuition here. He's never gone, "I know something you don't know!", not once. He seems laid back, gets a little frustrated when pushed too far, like everyone on the planet except for Gandhi.

The Vault/Mike Campbell songs are not ones he's familiar with. Maybe we don't know all of Stevie's songs in our incessant lyrics postings. Maybe they are truly unknown songs. And, no, I didn't know "Wide Sargasso Sea" was a rocker.



I can understand "intuition," but you can't deny the facts:

-FM77's descriptions have been, by and large, nondescript and/or already known via Twitter and recently published interviews.

-When pushed for specific information, FM77 claims to have no song titles and/or is restricted in his/her ability to provide details. Convenient excuses.

-If you were provided a loaner CD and you were even just a modest FM fan, wouldn't you have made a personal copy? And if asked for specific details, wouldn't you have referred to this copy to provide some clues? He/she should never, ever upload the contents of the CD, but a personal copy would have been perfectly appropriate.

-For someone who is supposedly in the "music business," don't you find FM77's posts to be a bit inarticulate musically speaking? Shouldn't his/her musical vocabulary extend just a little bit beyond "rocking" or "very good?" And don't you find it odd that someone who supposedly makes their living in the music business has no ability recall lyrics or other musical details even after repeated listenings? Here I thought people who did this for a living were actually somehow... musically inclined? On the off-chance that this is a music business insider, all I can say is that it is no wonder that the music industry is in the sh**ter right now- with that kind of limited intellectual capacity. I'm not trying to hate on dumb people necessarily; I just think dumb + delusions of grandeur = TROLL.

[mikebise]

Here I thought people who did this for a living were actually somehow... musically inclined? On the off-chance that this is a music business insider, all I can say is that it is no wonder that the music industry is in the sh**ter right now-

Totally with you there! :) I don't think music industry types even have basic musical knowledge these days, especially the performers.

I'm glad "Secret Love" is a breath of fresh air! I hope a LOT of new listeners get to hear that song!!!

[Josh2003]

Put me in the column of folks that believes him.

FM77, I am sorry that you've been treated the way you have. And that you've been "reported" for language that we've all used around here from time to time.

[FM77]

Really?

I think FM77 has a ring of truth to him. I'm using my Stevie Gemini Intuition here. He's never gone, "I know something you don't know!", not once. He seems laid back, gets a little frustrated when pushed too far, like everyone on the planet except for Gandhi.

The Vault/Mike Campbell songs are not ones he's familiar with. Maybe we don't know all of Stevie's songs in our incessant lyrics postings. Maybe they are truly unknown songs. And, no, I didn't know "Wide Sargasso Sea" was a rocker.

I'm not laying down my life for FM77. I just think his posts have a ring of honesty in them. And people can call him out on it, that's what comes with it. But to say:

"All I have to say is that it is rather peculiar that the only ones defending FM77 are those who rarely post here."

Well, that's not entirely true.

Thank you. I appreciate your sanity.

[Artemis]

I believe him, but, at the end of the day, if he is lying... then it's no big deal really. I just see it as all part of the fun of the new Stevie album. Like dangling a carrot just that little bit out of your reach :laugh:

[FM77]

Please don't resort to vulgarity. You're gonna end up getting booted if you don't watch it.

Calling everyone "assholes" is just as mature as you coming in here telling us you've heard Stevie's new record and expecting not to get flack for it. That's great that you've heard the record, wonderful. Really, it is. But if you can't offer any information about it, then let's be honest... There's no real reason for you to mention you've heard the album. You just open yourself up for blasting. The proper & professional thing to do would've been not to mention it at all; whether you have heard it or you haven't.


Dude, I have said over and over there are songs that ARE NOT ON THE RECORD...people kept listing lyrics and titles and I get FLAMED for it because I tell them they aren't on the record. Isn't that information about the record?

When the record gets relseaed, check every song I said WAS NOT on the record (Lady from the Mtn, Blue Water etc...and show me where I was wrong or misleading.

[FM77]

I can understand "intuition," but you can't deny the facts:

-FM77's descriptions have been, by and large, nondescript and/or already known via Twitter and recently published interviews.

-When pushed for specific information, FM77 claims to have no song titles and/or is restricted in his/her ability to provide details. Convenient excuses.

-If you were provided a loaner CD and you were even just a modest FM fan, wouldn't you have made a personal copy? And if asked for specific details, wouldn't you have referred to this copy to provide some clues? He/she should never, ever upload the contents of the CD, but a personal copy would have been perfectly appropriate.

-For someone who is supposedly in the "music business," don't you find FM77's posts to be a bit inarticulate musically speaking? Shouldn't his/her musical vocabulary extend just a little bit beyond "rocking" or "very good?" And don't you find it odd that someone who supposedly makes their living in the music business has no ability recall lyrics or other musical details even after repeated listenings? Here I thought people who did this for a living were actually somehow... musically inclined? On the off-chance that this is a music business insider, all I can say is that it is no wonder that the music industry is in the sh**ter right now- with that kind of limited intellectual capacity. I'm not trying to hate on dumb people necessarily; I just think dumb + delusions of grandeur = TROLL.

Do you really think people in the music business are provided "loaner" CDs of new unreleased music? How naive are you? This music was played in a room with either her and or her people IN THE ROOM. There is no opportunity to pirate CDs and send them off on the internet or copies to burn for other people. Artists have a hard enough time selling records as it is---they sure aren't giving it away months before its released.

How would a musical genius like yourself answer the following question:

Are there any rockers on the record? (is that is yes/no question????) Did I read it wrong?