Alec Baldwin - 2007 Father of the Year....NOT!!!

[irishgrl]

1 - Well, we agree on something as far as facts coming out.

2 - I never said they were guarantees. But neither is releasing the recording to the media. Would you have gone to the media with a video of your son's abuse, or his detailed description of what happened? I know it's a different situation, but you brought it up so I'm trying to understand. I don't think you would do that, even if you felt you weren't being fairly heard by CPS/judge/whoever involved with the case.

3 - Well after your post describing what you know about Carrie, it seemed that you had been studying up or something. I asssumed you knew that Carrie's mom's a whore.
Paula, are you obtuse? I DID answer that question already. Several pages back. I get the impression you are just trying to needle me and calling it "trying to understand." Whatever. Btw, people come out with tales of sexual abuse all the time, do the Catholic Church's problems ring a bell? Thats just for starters.

I never said I was an expert on Carrie, the few things I mentioned were off the cuff, spontaneous and split second. Nothing too deep or involved, believe me.

[skcin]

paula, i know it's unorthodox, but will you be my lezbo hag? :laugh: :D



i hate to think what it looks like when you get out of a pool :distress:

Yes


AND


"It's called shrinkage!" George Costanza

[The Tower]

they're solid, but they're small ... so i think the molds were made by strand? i dunno. :angel:
Man, that's small. What are they- like, Hershey kiss size or something?

oh wait, am i on ignore? :shrug: :laugh: :wavey:
Nope. :D You've never been on my Ignore List, dear.

i hate to think what it looks like when you get out of a pool :distress:
Usta look like a prune, now it's a raisin.

[danax6]

"It's called shrinkage!" George Costanza"Before anyone passes judgement, may I remind you we are in the Arctic." Fox Mulder

[carrie721]

Yes


AND


"It's called shrinkage!" George Costanza

score.

I WAS AT THE POOL!!!!!

Man, that's small. What are they- like, Hershey kiss size or something?

m&ms.

Nope. :D You've never been on my Ignore List, dear.

:D

Usta look like a prune, now it's a raisin.

i never knew you were such a bright-eyed optimist :D

[skcin]

I'm sorry that this happened to your son.

I agree Jannie. Irish - if details of your son's abuse (whether it be written or video or whatever) were made public & broadcast repeatedly on every network, would you be OK with that? I don't think that would benefit your son in any way, if anything it may make him embarrassed or angry or depressed. It's one thing to want to get issues out in the open to protect kids, but it's quite another to give specific intimate details to the media to be put on display to the general public.

1) I didnt post any details, just broad brushstrokes. However, when I went to Sacramento to help sponsor legislation that would eliminate loopholes that protect child molesters, you betcha I explained my reasons. People need to know this stuff happens and do what they can to stop it. Molesters and abusers need to be held accountable and without information being put out there, the same old thing will keep happening, because people's first instinct is to turn away.

2) personally I dont see the comparison between verbal abuse and sexual abuse as being apt. Apples and Oranges. But, in any event, I have the feeling that Ireland will become something of a little hero...."poor girl, look how her dad treats her" kinda thing. Is she suffering because of this?? Highly DOUBT it.

Paula, are you obtuse? I DID answer that question already. Several pages back. I get the impression you are just trying to needle me and calling it "trying to understand." Whatever. Btw, people come out with tales of sexual abuse all the time, do the Catholic Church's problems ring a bell? Thats just for starters.

OK, I looked back because I thought I missed it, but your reply did not answer my question. :shrug: So did you deliberately avoid it, or are you too obtuse to figure out what I was asking? As for me needling you, I'm just trying to have a healthy debate. Any time anyone here besides Strand has a good argument, you get all pissy & accuse them of targeting or attacking you. :rolleyes:


So. One more time. If you went to a judge or caseworker with a videotape of your son's abuse or an audio recording of your son telling you specifically what had been done to him, and they took it into evidence but you felt that wasn't enough - would you send it to CNN or the local news to be broadcast on television to the general public?


I know people come out with abuse stories all the time, and I'm quite familiar with the Catholic Church's problems - I do watch the news & read the paper. :confused: What does that have to do with anything?

[carrie721]

"Before anyone passes judgement, may I remind you we are in the Arctic." Fox Mulder

+10 :laugh: :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

"Before anyone passes judgement, may I remind you we are in the Arctic." Fox Mulder

Le Sigh :nod:

Also, I recently reaed where the second X-file movie is hmaking headway, though I'll believe it when I see it.

[carrie721]

Le Sigh :nod:

Also, I recently reaed where the second X-file movie is hmaking headway, though I'll believe it when I see it.

unfortunately, they've been saying that for 5 years now :rolleyes:

gillian anderson was recently interviewed and she bitched about xf. lame.

[BTFLCHLD]

I have never appreciated the Ignore function as much as I do now. :nod: yes, makes for a mighty small thread :laugh: :]

[irishgrl]

OK, I looked back because I thought I missed it, but your reply did not answer my question. :shrug: So did you deliberately avoid it, or are you too obtuse to figure out what I was asking? As for me needling you, I'm just trying to have a healthy debate. Any time anyone here besides Strand has a good argument, you get all pissy & accuse them of targeting or attacking you. :rolleyes:


So. One more time. If you went to a judge or caseworker with a videotape of your son's abuse or an audio recording of your son telling you specifically what had been done to him, and they took it into evidence but you felt that wasn't enough - would you send it to CNN or the local news to be broadcast on television to the general public?


I know people come out with abuse stories all the time, and I'm quite familiar with the Catholic Church's problems - I do watch the news & read the paper. :confused: What does that have to do with anything?
yes Paula, I seriously considered going to the Newspaper. I actually contacted ABC at one point when one of the advocacy groups I belong to sent out an email asking for stories from people whose children were not protected by the court system. I never heard back from that person, but it wasnt from lack of trying on MY part. If I had not had the breakthru that turned my case around, believe me, I would have gone to the media if the Courts failed to protect my son. The only thing I was advised to do was wait until after the final Order....sometimes you HAVE to make a stink to make changes.

Im glad you went back and re-read, but apparently you needed to be just a BIT more obnoxious. Hope you're happy now. Oh and the reason Jason and I can debate successfully is that I know he doesnt hate me like you and Carrie and others do. He might tease me, but its not the same as the out and out snark I come in for from you and your cronies. Whatever. My opinions are just as valid as any of yours.

[danax6]

unfortunately, they've been saying that for 5 years now :rolleyes:Yup. Though this time it looks to actually be true. This is Frank Spotnitz's blog:

http://www.biglight.com/blog/2007/04/its-true.html


gillian anderson was recently interviewed and she bitched about xf. lame.She demanded the article be rectified since the interviewer apparantly took everything out of context. :shrug:

[carrie721]

Yup. Though this time it looks to actually be true. This is Frank Spotnitz's blog:

http://www.biglight.com/blog/2007/04/its-true.html

well a script is the first step!

She demanded the article be rectified since the interviewer apparantly took everything out of context. :shrug:

oh, really? good, because she sounded really ****ing ungrateful & bitchy in that article.

[danax6]

oh, really? good, because she sounded really ****ing ungrateful & bitchy in that article.She's never hid the fact that the last two seasons were purely done because of contractual agreements she couldn't get out of. (She had to sign on for two extra seasons to get the same amount of money Mr. Duchovny was being paid). And she has always complained about the gruesome working hours and the fact that she was stuck in Vancouver for the first 5 years without anybody warning her beforehand. Other than that, she's never had a bad thing to say about the show and she was excited about a second movie. It's not like they are holding a gun to her head. If she doesn't want to do it, she won't. So that article definitely made a lot of people go 'huh?'.

[irishgrl]

I am posting this here because apparently Alec Baldwin DOES have anger issues and is now on a campaign that would damage the rights of women and children everywhere:

It is particularly troubling that The View - a show with a largely female audience - would air a program that could be so damaging to the safety of women and children.

In addition to his recent tirade berating his daughter, in the past Baldwin has punched a photographer, berated a NYC pedestrian for walking in front of his car, gotten into a shouting match with a NYC police officer the day Cory Litel's plane hit a NYC building and traffic patterns changed, he caused an actress to quit a Broadway show due to his temper after punching a wall because the AC was too low, called for the murder of Congressman Henry Hyde and his entire family on the Conan O'Brien Show.

The "theory" of Parental Alienation that Balwin cites as causing his behavior has been roundly discredited by the National Council of Juvenile and Family Court Judges, by a recent article in the American Bar Association's Children’s Legal Rights Journal, by the National District Attorneys Association’s National Center for Prosecution of Child Abuse, and in a report by the American Psychological Association. See http://www.stopfamilyviolence.org/442 for more information.

Abusers do not deserve a platform - and there is never an excuse for abuse. (material quoted from the Stop Family Violence website)

Alec Baldwin is an ASS and I hope Kim prevails for Ireland's sake.

additional note about PAS:
While Gardner's PAS theory placed most of the blame for alienation on vindictive mothers seeking to alienate their children from the father, research by Janet Johnson suggests that violent men are the most likely to engage in alienating behaviors. This type of psychological control of the child can be viewed as an extension of physically abusive and controlling behavior.

see: Johnston, J. (2005). Children of divorce who reject a parent and refuse visitation: Recent research and social policy implications for the alienated child. Family Law Quarterly, 38, 757-776.

[irishgrl]

Further commentary:

Alex Baldwin Doesn't Get It
by Douglas Bower


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Alex Baldwin’s tirade against his minor child needs to be seen for what it is—child abuse. Not only is it child abuse but is also so typical of the mindset and the philosophy that Americans so easily resort to when it comes to taking responsibility for their actions. “It’s not my fault.”

Here is what Baldwin said after calling his little girl a “thoughtless little pig” and threatening to come from New York to Los Angeles to “straighten her out”—a threat to the kid’s safety if ever there was one.

"Although I have been told by numerous people not to worry too much, as all parents lose their patience with their kids, I am most saddened that this was released to the media because of what it does to a child," he wrote. "I'm sorry, as everyone who knows me is aware, for losing my temper with my child. I have been driven to the edge by parental alienation for many years now. You have to go through this to understand. (Although I hope you never do.) I am sorry for what happened. But I am equally sorry that a court order was violated, which had deliberately been put under seal in this case."

1. "Although I have been told by numerous people not to worry too much, as all parents lose their patience with their kids, I am most saddened that this was released to the media because of what it does to a child." – The man is not worried that what he said to his daughter would affect her adversely, only that what he said to her was released to the media. He is not concerned about how his abusiveness might affect the girl but how the release of the recording might affect her. Is this man in his right mind or is this indicative of just how much his character is flawed?

2. "I'm sorry, as everyone who knows me is aware, for losing my temper with my child. I have been driven to the edge by parental alienation for many years now. ”— The man is shifting blame and not taking personal responsibility for his words or actions. He is sorry for losing his temper but blames “parental alienation” as that which drove him to lose his temper. No, Mr. Baldwin, “parental alienation” is your perception of a stimulus provided to you through the circumstances in which you’ve found yourself. Parental alienation, whatever that is supposed to mean, is not some animated, sentient entity capable of doing anything. It hasn’t arms nor legs, a brain to think with, or anything else that would enable “it” to “drive” you to do anything. Your loss of temper is a behavior you chose to deal with a situation. (Since he is referring to someone committing the sin of “parental alienation,” he must certainly be blaming the child as the alienator—it’s the child’s fault for alienating him—“parental alienation” made him do it.)

3. “You have to go through this to understand.”— If ever there was an indication of the lack of critical thinking skills in the minds of Americans, this is it. This is something to which many resort in trying to justify their irrational and ill-chosen behaviors. Think a moment to what this man is actually saying: If you went through what I’ve been going through, then you would not condemn me. And, if you’ve never walked in my shoes, then you do not have the right to criticize me for calling my daughter a little pig.” This man is claiming that the only way we could “understand” why he did what he did is if we had undergone this spookily-termed, “parental alienation.” This man is not apologizing but trying to justify his bad behavior. And, he claims, you would understand why he abused his child if you had undergone his trials and tribulations. I don’t have to have murdered someone to understand why someone resorted to bad behavior by killing his neighbor. I don’t have to have sexually abused a child to know that it is ill-chosen behavior. I don’t have to have stolen something that didn’t belong to me to understand that stealing is wrong. How, I would love to ask Mr. Baldwin, would our understanding help us to “get it?” How would our undergoing “parental alienation” help us to understand that what Mr. Baldwin did to his daughter is somehow justified? After all, Mr. Baldwin seems to be saying if we had ever undergone “parental alienation,” we would understand—cut him some slack.

4. “I am sorry for what happened. But I am equally sorry that a court order was violated…”— See how the man is trying to shift blame? What the man is sorry for, I cannot fathom, but I most certainly see that he is blaming the one who violated a court order. Baldwin cannot, at least as yet, just say that no matter what the circumstances were, no matter what the situation dealt, no matter what information he was provided to which he had to respond, that he was wrong—period—for lashing out at that child.

The past decades, if not a century, of psychoanalytical psychobabble has taught Americans that they are victims. If they act out with bad behavior, it couldn’t possibly be the fault of the one who chose the bad behavior. It was “the circumstance’s fault.” If they get caught in some behavioral sin, then it wasn’t their fault but the fault of someone or something that provided them with something to which they had to respond and did so badly.

Every circumstance, situation, problem, child acting out, a spouse acting out, a boss firing you, is just information provided to you. You get to choose how you are going to react to what is before you. All we ever do is behave. From the time we are born to the time we die, all we do is choose behaviors in response to a stimulus. What marks us as mature, sane, and rational is how we’ve learned to think critically through a bad hand dealt us and choosing the correct, socially appropriate and morally correct behavior.

Was one of Alex Baldwin’s choices when his daughter didn’t pick up the phone when he called to lash out in an abusive tirade at her? Yes.

However, thinking, and I mean using critical thinking skills, is what would have directed him to consider better alternatives. He could have ranted at the girl or he could have made a better choice. A little bit of maturity would have gone a long way in preventing his childish behavior.

Oh, Mr. Baldwin, we understand perfectly and are wondering,

“Just who is the child here?”

And this from The Leadership Council:

The Leadership Council Responds to Alec Baldwin's Phone Message



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A private phone message was recently released to the media that Alec Baldwin left for his 11 year old daughter. A family law judge was so alarmed after hearing the tape, that she temporarily barred Baldwin from having any contact with his child.

Baldwin has reportedly apologized to his daughter for the phone call. He also issued a public apology, claiming to “have been driven to the edge by parental alienation for many years now. You have to go through this to understand.”

Baldwin and ex-wife Basinger have been locked in a custody and visitation battle over their daughter since the couple divorced in 2002.

This disturbing message from an upset parent to his child illustrates many important points about parenting, custody disputes, and parental reactions when they have limited access to their child.

To learn about these issues and how to respond visit The Leadership Council (http://leadershipcouncil.org/1/med/tape.html)


(From the Justice for Children website)

* Each year, in almost half of all confirmed cases of child abuse, children do not receive any type of service to prevent re-abuse.

* 40-50% of all children who die from abuse and neglect in our country had previous referrals to agencies mandated by law to protect them. JFC believes that every one of these children could and should have been saved.

* The CPS philosophy of reunifying abused children with their offender leads to abusive families recycling through protective services systems.

* JFC believes the efforts of law enforcement to conduct a thorough investigation are thwarted by reporting criminal child abuse to a civil agency.

* Family/domestic courts often fail to recognize legitimate allegations of child abuse in child custody cases and are insensitive to the best interest of the child.



fyi: Stephanie Dallam and Dr. Bob Geffner of The Leadership Council (http://leadershipcouncil.org/index.html) are familiar with my case, as is Eileen King, the Regional Director (Washington DC) of Justice for Children (http://www.justiceforchildren.org/). Ive worked with PROTECT (http://www.protect.org/), and several State and Federal Legislators on this issue. I am affiliated with California Protective Parents Association (http://www.protectiveparents.com/) as well.

I recognize abuse when I see it and I know firsthand what happens in Family Court to abused kids and protective parents. In this instance I only gave my opinion but 9/10ths of you ganged up on me and belittled me for having the nerve to be the ONLY one who gave Kim the benefit of the doubt and DARING to label Alec an abuser. Every bit of research Ive ever done, every scholarly bit of learning Ive ever acquired and every sad year the Court system let my son down tells me I am RIGHT.

Deanna, you keep harping on the fact that I said I havent read much about this, well, thats partly due to the media gag order. I know as much about this as any other person in America who reads the headlines. You twist my meaning and then try to crucify me and call me irrational because I identify Alec's abuse for what it is based on what Ive seen/read about child abuse. Im not sure how that makes ME irrational, personally I find your blind defense of an obvious abuser irrational!!. In any event, since I am now finding articles that are articulating what I tried to say, your label just doesnt fit. so sorry. But now, at least I know where I stand with you...and you know what?? no great loss.

[strandinthewind]

Once again, you completely cannot get that a woman can poison the mind of a child against the father. I'd be pissed too if my ex wife did that - and i'd want to beat the hell out of her too - - and, she'd deserve it :shrug: (not that I'd actually do it mind you)

I get that there are abusive parents. They deserve to be restrained in what ever form necessary.

But, here, there is no evidence AB has ever hit his child or that he is ever going to. I get that AB has lost his temper, but who the hell has not? There is evidence, however, that Kim has used Ireland to manipluate AB and provoke his temper. The evidence is Kim is the adult and she was responsible for complying with the court ordered visitation. She consistently did not and certainly she, of all people, knew that would piss AB off. So, she set a trap using her child as bait. To me, that is far more abusive to Ireland than anything AB said or that he has done to some random third party. And, what was her gain in this? Well, she gets Ireland all to herself now and AB is out in the cold for a few harsh but not damning words that were provoked from him - seems like the text book def. of parental alienation to me, but I think you do not believe in that when it is the man being alienated. I think the facts of this case as we know them strongly support this version of events and in no way support what you think happened, which is that AB is beating the hell out of Ireland and Kim has never alleged this in court and instead and, despite seven or so years of the meanist litigation most have ever scene where everything imaginable has been alleged - she has refused to bring this rather significant detail up on court. That argument is makes no sense to me. Kim apparently is a very strong woman.

In the end, divorce is an ugly thing and that ugliness is not always the man's fault. Yet, you seem always to side with the woman and seemingly can never see that woman can be just as bad as men in a divorce proceeding.

[irishgrl]

Once again, you completely cannot get that a woman can poison the mind of a child against the father. I'd be pissed too if my ex wife did that - and i'd want to beat the hell out of her too - - and, she'd deserve it :shrug: (not that I'd actually do it mind you)

I get that there are abusive parents. They deserve to be restrained in what ever form necessary.

But, here, there is no evidence AB has ever hit his child or that his ever going to. I get that AB has lost his temper, but who the hell has not? There is evidence, however, that Kim has used Ireland to manipluate AB and provoke his temper. The evidence is Kim is the adult and she was responsible for complying with the court ordered visitation. She consistently did not and certainly she, of all people, knew that would piss AB off. So, she set a trap using her child as bait. To me, that is far more abusive to Ireland than anything AB said or that he has done to some random third party. And, what was her gain in this? Well, she gets Ireland all to herself now and AB is out in the cold for a few harsh but not damning words that were provoked from him - seems like the text book def. of parental alienation to me, but I think you do not believe in that when it is the man being alienated. I think the facts of this case as we know them strongly support this version of events and in no way support what you think happened, which is that AB is beating the hell out of Ireland and Kim has never alleged this in court and instead and, despite seven or so years of the meanist litigation most has ever scene where everything imaginable has been alleged, she has refused to bring this up in court. That argument is makes no sense to me.

In the end, divorce is an ugly thing and that ugliness is not always the man's fault. Yet, you seem always to side with the woman and seemingly can never see that woman can be just as bad as men in a divorce proceeding.
Im not saying it doesnt happen, but Im not convinced its happening here, particularly if by all accounts Ireland has a good relationship with her dad.

You're making an awful lot of assumptions (ie "trap" "using Ireland to manipulate AB" "Kim did not comply with Court Order" )

first of all, there's no trap: Alec didnt have to leave a message on the machine and he CERTAINLY DID NOT need to leave an abusive one.

even if I agree that the word "pig" is relatively mild as name calling goes, he went OVERBOARD. Added to that, the implied threat (coming to set you straight) Give me a break. Stop excusing this man. As far as Im concerned, there is AMPLE evidence that Alec is an abuser. At the very least he has anger issues and has abused others in the past (mostly adults).

I dont feel in the least sorry for him and the fact that you do, is disappointing (but not surprising) to say the least.

as for your other assumptions (that Kim should have forced her daughter to take the call but didnt or that she is manipulating Ireland, sounds to me like thats speculation, since we dont KNOW for certain whether or not she was home, under what circumstances the call was received. There are myriad possiblities that could also exonerate Kim. Since her ATTORNEY apparently sanctioned the release of this tape, one has to assume that he had a valid LEGAL reason for doing so.

Alec blew it, plain and simple. Boys can NOT be boys unfortunately when it comes to abuse. I believe Alec exhibits traits of an abusive personality and NOW, he is being looked at. GOOD.

by the way, I dont ALWAYS side with the woman. I actually gave my ex the benefit of the doubt when he told he he was falsely accused of sexually molesting a neighborhood girl. his ex-wife backed him up. his daughter defended him. I had no idea we were ALL wrong.

[strandinthewind]

Bless your heart, it is Kim's job as the adult to make her child comply with court ordered visitation - don't you get that? It was not just this one call. Kim consistently did not do this and she did not move the court for relief from the visitation. One parent cannot just refuse court ordered visitation. I mean AB was at dinner in NYC and had just spoken lovingly about his daughter on Letterman. Then, AB takes time away from his dinner in a rest. to go outside and call Ireland because he knew that was his time to talk to her. And, she does not answer the phone again. I'd be pissed too. Moreover, what he said was just not that awful. Yea, he called her a pig, but she was acting like an ass if this was her own will. If Kim prevented her from taking that call, then Kim is abusive.

But, you will never admit this because you think AB is an abuser though there is no evidence that he has ever hit Ireland. You are basing this all on one phone message he says was provoked.

I do not think Kim's attorney has admited in any way to releasing this tape. But, I could be wrong.

As for me feeling sorry for AB, I see Kim B. as a vindictive beeyotch based on the facts I see. That you cannot even entertain the notion discredits your subjectivity. That is why people see you as always siding with the woman. You are perceived as a man hater. I am not being hateful here. I am just saying why people see you this way. Also, I do not feel sorry for AB. He was way stupid for falling for Kim's little trap.

Anyway, let's hear what he says on The View before we go reound and round.

[irishgrl]

Bless your heart, it is Kim's job as the adult to make her child comply with court ordered visitation - don't you get that? It was not just this one call. Kim consistently did not do this and she did not move the court for relief from the visitation. One parent cannot just refuse court ordered visitation. I mean AB was at dinner in NYC and had just spoken lovingly about his daughter on Letterman. Then, AB takes time away from his dinner in a rest. to go outside and call Ireland because he knew that was his time to talk to her. And, she does not answer the phone again. I'd be pissed too. Moreover, what he said was just not that awful. Yea, he called her a pig, but she was acting like an ass if this was her own will. If Kim prevented her from taking that call, then Kim is abusive.

But, you will never admit this because you think AB is an abuser though there is no evidence that he has ever hit Ireland. You are basing this all on one phone message he says was provoked.

I do not think Kim's attorney has admited in any way to releasing this tape. But, I could be wrong.

As for me feeling sorry for AB, I see Kim B. as a vindictive beeyotch based on the facts I see. That you cannot even entertain the notion discredits your subjectivity. That is why people see you as always siding with the woman. You are perceived as a man hater. I am not being hateful here. I am just saying why people see you this way. Also, I do not feel sorry for AB. He was way stupid for falling for Kim's little trap.

Anyway, let's hear what he says on The View before we go reound and round.
There is such a thing as good cause my friend and you know that as well as I do. As for whether or not she petitioned the court for relief, we dont know WHAT her response was to the contempt. perhaps she DID petition for relief.
With the media gag order in place all you or I can do is speculate.

Personally, I dont CARE what Alec has to say in his own defense, when he began spouting that "Parental Alienation" crap, I knew all I needed to know about HIS mindset.

by the way, the Parental Alienation Syndrome created by Richard Gardner has been denounced by every scientific/psychological association as well as many Judicial organizations. It is confirmed JUNK SCIENCE and the man who created it (and who is now dead) was himself a confirmed abuser.

Father's rights groups have latched onto it for dear life, but here in CA, its about to go away forever. There is pending legislation to bar its introduction into Family Court proceedings. Huzzah!

also, you are WRONG about who I "always" side with please note that you missed this crucial bit in my previous post:

by the way, I dont ALWAYS side with the woman. I actually gave my ex the benefit of the doubt when he told he he was falsely accused of sexually molesting a neighborhood girl. his ex-wife backed him up. his daughter defended him. I had no idea we were ALL wrong.

[trackaghost]

even if I agree that the word "pig" is relatively mild as name calling goes, he went OVERBOARD. Added to that, the implied threat (coming to set you straight) Give me a break. Stop excusing this man. As far as Im concerned, there is AMPLE evidence that Alec is an abuser. At the very least he has anger issues and has abused others in the past (mostly adults).



But aren't you speculating and making assumptions too? One nasty phone message doesn't make him an abuser. I'm definitely not on Baldwin's side on this but I certainly don't think Basinger is a saint either.

[irishgrl]

But aren't you speculating and making assumptions too? One nasty phone message doesn't make him an abuser. I'm definitely not on Baldwin's side on this but I certainly don't think Basinger is a saint either.
Maybe she isnt, I dont know. But Im not so ready to lay this all at her feet when the only hard evidence we have of anything is that ALEC left a nasty call.

as for the abuser label, there's more than one phone call to his credit. please see my previous posts. Im sure there's more because where there's smoke, there's fire unfortunately.

[strandinthewind]

On this board, you have never once to my recollection sided with a man. In your case, you did, and that was unfortunate.

As for this case, it has been pending since 2002. Don't you think Kim would have alleged the abuse by now if it were there. She apparently has no issue with using her daughter, so that is not the reason why. And, if she alleged abuse in the court and could prove it via Ireland's statements, the Court would halt the visitation immediately. I say that because it did in this case based on a VM that in no way threatened physical abuse.

As for the set you straight line, what parent has not told their kid something to that effect (behave or else - you better straighten up - we are having a serious talk when I get home, etc. ) in a phone call. I know of none.

Anyway, on to The View.

[strandinthewind]

. . . But Im not so ready to lay this all at her feet . . . .

You lay nothing at her feet. That is why people are hesitant to take what you say seriously.

[irishgrl]

On this board, you have never once to my recollection sided with a man. In your case, you did, and that was unfortunate.

As for this case, it has been pending since 2002. Don't you think Kim would have alleged the abuse by now if it were there. She apparently has no issue with using her daughter, so that is not the reason why. And, if she alleged abuse in the court and could prove it via Ireland's statements, the Court would halt the visitation immediately. I say that because it did in this case based on a VM that in no way threatened physical abuse.

As for the set you straight line, what parent has not told their kid something to that effect (behave or else - you better straighten up - we are having a serious talk when I get home, etc. ) in a phone call. I know of none.

Anyway, on to The View.
she HAS alleged abuse. She stated in her court papers that Alec was violent to her, causing her back injury. Im not saying Alec hits his daughter, I have no way of knowing that. But Alec does have a history of physical violence with Kim (and others, please see my previous posts) as well as verbal abuse to others.

by the way: Ive already sent an email to the executives at ABC decrying their willingness to give an abuser a platform from which to excuse his bad acts. What an ass, and shame on Disney corp (whose employees were recently fingered in a sex scandal!!) for allowing it via ABC.

[strandinthewind]

. . . by the way: Ive already sent an email to the executives at ABC decrying their willingness to give an abuser a platform from which to excuse his bad acts. What an ass, and shame on Disney corp (whose employees were recently fingered in a sex scandal!!) for allowing it via ABC.

Lord Child - there is no end to your lunacy :laugh:

(a joke)

[irishgrl]

You lay nothing at her feet. That is why people are hesitant to take what you say seriously.
I see nothing to lay there :shrug:

the only ONLY thing we know for sure is that Ireland didnt answer a call and ALEC left a nasty voicemail.

we DONT KNOW WHY Ireland didnt answer the phone. We only have speculation and Alec's spin. Apparently you and others assume Kim is at fault. That hasnt been proven.

AGAIN: the only HARD evidence is that Alec left a nasty call.

[irishgrl]

Lord Child - there is no end to your lunacy :laugh:

(a joke)
I dont think thats funny, however Im sure all my detractors will split their sides laffing. Thanks Jason :rolleyes:

[strandinthewind]

. . . AGAIN: the only HARD evidence is that Alec left a nasty call.

No, Ireland has not answered other calls. It is Kim's job as an adult to make sure her child is there for visitation. She cannot unilaterally dishonor that obligation. Why can't you see that?

[strandinthewind]

I dont think thats funny, however Im sure all my detractors will split their sides laffing. Thanks Jason :rolleyes:

no offense meant :sorry:

[irishgrl]

No, Ireland has not answered other calls. It is Kim's job as an adult to make sure her child is there for visitation. She cannot unilaterally dishonor that obligation. Why can't you see that?
If in fact that is what she did, Im sure the Court will punish her for it. If however there was good cause or a reasonable explanation for missed calls, then Alec is just barking up the wrong tree.

Again, Alec could just as easily have said: Im sorry I missed you sweetheart, I was looking forward to talking with you. Perhaps I'll try again later, ok? or somesuch. The fact that he didnt is very very telling.

[irishgrl]

no offense meant :sorry:
I know you luv me Jason, and I know you tease me :xoxo: C'mere you big lug, I'll give ya a noogie!!!

PS: I hope Rosie SHREDS Alec. (crosses fingers)

[strandinthewind]

. . . fact that he didnt is very very telling.

Against them both :shrug:

[irishgrl]

Against them both :shrug:
Kim is not responsible for Alec's outbursts. Im not saying Alec wasnt justified in being disappointed or even angry. He should have handled it better.

[#1LiddyBuckFan]

PS: I hope Rosie SHREDS Alec. (crosses fingers)

They are pretty good friends so I think that's doubtful but you never know!

[irishgrl]

They are pretty good friends so I think that's doubtful but you never know!
oh well, shucks :distress:

[skcin]

yes Paula, I seriously considered going to the Newspaper. I actually contacted ABC at one point when one of the advocacy groups I belong to sent out an email asking for stories from people whose children were not protected by the court system. I never heard back from that person, but it wasnt from lack of trying on MY part. If I had not had the breakthru that turned my case around, believe me, I would have gone to the media if the Courts failed to protect my son. The only thing I was advised to do was wait until after the final Order....sometimes you HAVE to make a stink to make changes.

Im glad you went back and re-read, but apparently you needed to be just a BIT more obnoxious. Hope you're happy now. Oh and the reason Jason and I can debate successfully is that I know he doesnt hate me like you and Carrie and others do. He might tease me, but its not the same as the out and out snark I come in for from you and your cronies. Whatever. My opinions are just as valid as any of yours.

You take things waaaaay too personally Mary. I'm sorry if you feel that Carrie & I and others hate you just because we often disagree with you. Contrary to your paranoid belief, I don't purposely set out to attack/needle/provoke you. My snark does not discriminate, and it's not always directed at you. I don't have "cronies." Just because people agree with me on an issue doesn't mean we're in a gang or something. We agree because we all feel a certain way about an issue - NOT because you don't. I can't speak for "them", but I don't automatically go the opposite way that you do just for the sake of doing so.

You lay nothing at her feet. That is why people are hesitant to take what you say seriously.

Exactly. :nod: It's all or nothing with you much of the time Mary, and not everything can be that black & white, unfortunately.

[irishgrl]

You take things waaaaay too personally Mary. I'm sorry if you feel that Carrie & I and others hate you just because we often disagree with you. Contrary to your paranoid belief, I don't purposely set out to attack/needle/provoke you. My snark does not discriminate, and it's not always directed at you. I don't have "cronies." Just because people agree with me on an issue doesn't mean we're in a gang or something. We agree because we all feel a certain way about an issue - NOT because you don't. I can't speak for "them", but I don't automatically go the opposite way that you do just for the sake of doing so.



Exactly. :nod: It's all or nothing with you much of the time Mary, and not everything can be that black & white, unfortunately.
Whatever Paula. I know what I (and others) have observed the minute I started coming back to these boards. I take it personal because you MADE it personal. You may deny it, but I know gang mentality when I see it, and when the same usual suspects deride me time after time, I know it goes deeper than a mere disagreement.

I dont mind people disagreeing with me. I DO mind being hounded and baited and treated like dirt. I also resent being stereotyped--I look at everything on a case by case basis, whether you believe it or not.

[skcin]

^ But I often disagree with you. :shrug: What am I suposed to do, NOT post in a thread if Carrie already did, so you don't think we're ganging up on you? F that. Think what you want, it's not my problem. You're acting paranoid. I'm done here, so go ahead & get your last word in.

[irishgrl]

^ But I often disagree with you. :shrug: What am I suposed to do, NOT post in a thread if Carrie already did, so you don't think we're ganging up on you? F that. Think what you want, it's not my problem. You're acting paranoid. I'm done here, so go ahead & get your last word in.
Paranoid is thinking something is happening when it isnt. Observant is noticing when it DOES happen.

So sad Cinderfella, the shoe DOES fit.

[Mari]

would anyone like some popcorn?

[carrie721]

would anyone like some popcorn?

yes, but i hear you don't like cheesy popcorn :D

[irishgrl]

perhaps she'd like one of them chocolate thing-a-ma-jigs that are so popular around here :p

[carrie721]

already got one :D actually, i got two. the lesbian special. :laugh:

[Mari]

chocolate popcorn! mmmm.

[carrie721]

chocolate popcorn! mmmm.

chocolate popcorn is so good. and the popcorn place we used to have here had peanut butter cup popcorn too ... to. die. for.

[danax6]

chocolate popcorn! mmmm.What is it with you guys and all your crappy ass popcorn? Whatever happened to good old salty popcorn? :mad:

No butter!

"I can't believe you don't want butter on your popcorn. Ugh, it's un-American." Fox Mulder to Dana Scully

[DrummerDeanna]

You take things waaaaay too personally Mary. I'm sorry if you feel that Carrie & I and others hate you just because we often disagree with you. Contrary to your paranoid belief, I don't purposely set out to attack/needle/provoke you. My snark does not discriminate, and it's not always directed at you. I don't have "cronies." Just because people agree with me on an issue doesn't mean we're in a gang or something. We agree because we all feel a certain way about an issue - NOT because you don't. I can't speak for "them", but I don't automatically go the opposite way that you do just for the sake of doing so.


Exactly. Exactly.


And Mary, I'm sorry but from the moment you came back to the board you started in on stuff too...you are not innocent in this. There have been MANY times when you attack or snark at someone who did not (in the instance) even deserve it, and I bit my tongue.

Then when people call you out you cry "gang mentality" but that's not the case.

Also - I'm glad this got out now, as clearly one cannot strongly disagree with you and still be friends, you're right, no great loss because I like to have debates and discussions with my friends, even when we disagree. And clearly that cannont be done with you.

There is no "gang mentality". We're all free-thinking individuals. Nobody is under the thumb of any one or two posters, and again, you've mentioned things in the past about some people being "Amber cronies" or "loyalists" when I knew that to be completely false - yet I didn't argue....

So in fact, the shoe does fit and I think the brand of shoe is paranoia.

[carrie721]

What is it with you guys and all your crappy ass popcorn? Whatever happened to good old salty popcorn? :mad:

No butter!

"I can't believe you don't want butter on your popcorn. Ugh, it's un-American." Fox Mulder to Dana Scully

i'm a fan of regular popcorn ... but you've never had chocolate popcorn? would you ever try it?

and no butter? crazy. :laugh:

[Mari]

I dunno about the butter but peanut? yum.
ow, and caramel!!!

anything, as long as it isn't cheese, yeah.

[carrie721]

I dunno about the butter but peanut? yum.
ow, and caramel!!!

anything, as long as it isn't cheese, yeah.

wtf do you have against cheese on popcorn? :laugh:

it's not real cheese, it's fake powdered cheese. yummmmmm.

[Mari]

wtf do you have against cheese on popcorn? :laugh:

it's not real cheese, it's fake powdered cheese. yummmmmm.

but that's exactly it, it's fake! I love real cheese, but that fake crap on popcorn and chips etc, yuck. Why do they have to put it on everything? It's a conspiracy, I tell you...

[danax6]

wtf do you have against cheese on popcorn? :laugh:

it's not real cheese, it's fake powdered cheese. yummmmmm.Exactly why it's so nasty. Fake chemical stuff. Barf. :laugh:

And I've tried chocolate popcorn. It doesn't do a thing for me. :p

[danax6]

but that's exactly it, it's fake! I love real cheese, but that fake crap on popcorn and chips etc, yuck. Why do they have to put it on everything? It's a conspiracy, I tell you...Hey now, don't knock the chips. I would survive being stranded on a deserted island if I had a lifetime supply of Lays Cheese & Onion. :laugh:

[carrie721]

crazy dutch people. :lol:

[irishgrl]

Exactly. Exactly.


And Mary, I'm sorry but from the moment you came back to the board you started in on stuff too...you are not innocent in this. There have been MANY times when you attack or snark at someone who did not (in the instance) even deserve it, and I bit my tongue.

Then when people call you out you cry "gang mentality" but that's not the case.

Also - I'm glad this got out now, as clearly one cannot strongly disagree with you and still be friends, you're right, no great loss because I like to have debates and discussions with my friends, even when we disagree. And clearly that cannont be done with you.

There is no "gang mentality". We're all free-thinking individuals. Nobody is under the thumb of any one or two posters, and again, you've mentioned things in the past about some people being "Amber cronies" or "loyalists" when I knew that to be completely false - yet I didn't argue....

So in fact, the shoe does fit and I think the brand of shoe is paranoia.
If you'll recall my first post back was on the "I hate to say this but" thread and I got (you guessed it) immediate replies from Carrie and later Paula, all of which were snarky, and Suze actually had to jump in and ask them to stop. Hardly Paranoid--in fact, your little lecture is off base. I dont care what you think of me. I've had plenty of healthy debates with plenty of people, friend and foe alike. As long as Im treated with respect I do the same.

So there's no gang mentality or cronyism? Funny, thats not what you said B.C (Before Carrie). I can recall vividly the times you complained about Amber or Carrie or Paula and how you were fed up and taking a break. What a hypocrite. Theres a shoe with YOUR name on it too I see.

[danax6]

crazy dutch people. :lol:Hey, we pride ourselves on having REAL cheese here. You're just jealous. :laugh:

[carrie721]

B.C (Before Carrie)

omfg :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

when was before carrie? before i joined? deanna, have i been corrupting you since november 2005?

Hey, we pride ourselves on having REAL cheese here. You're just jealous. :laugh:

it's true :o i'm so insanely jealous :D

[danax6]

omfg :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

when was before carrie?


The Day the Ledge died. Bye, bye, Miss American Pie. :wavey:

[carrie721]

The Day the Ledge died. Bye, bye, Miss American Pie. :wavey:

never forget.

[DrummerDeanna]

If you'll recall my first post back was on the "I hate to say this but" thread and I got (you guessed it) immediate replies from Carrie and later Paula, all of which were snarky, and Suze actually had to jump in and ask them to stop.

So, your little lecture is off base. I dont care what you think of me. I've had plenty of healthy debates with plenty of people, friend and foe alike. As long as Im treated with respect I do the same.

So there's no gang mentality or cronyism? Funny, thats not what you said B.C (Before Carrie). I can recall vividly the times you complained about Amber or Carrie or Paula and how you were fed up and taking a break. What a hypocrite. Theres a shoe with YOUR name on it too I see.


I wasn't specifically talking about when you came back. I'm talking about times prior to when you left. I don't recall complaining about Carrie or Paula...at all...please forward any PMs to me that you're referring to (since posting actual conent of PMs is against the rules)...I know I complained about Amber lol....so I don't need to see those. Actually personal fueds are against the guidelines - so perhaps this needs to be taken to PM because clearly I've totally set you off....and it all started because I disagreed (yes strongly) with your opinions in here. I still do.

My little lecture? I'm just stating true facts, Mary. There have been times in the past when you are just as guilty of the snark. And I recall a time you started **** out of the blue and got all weird when I didn't go and back you - so I DID then you went and deleted all your posts.

But that's as far as I'm going because basically it's ****ty to bring up stuff from the past and use it against people..it's the dirtiest form of fighting - and one that another board member uses - and it's bull****. So unless you have something say about Alec Baldwin stop with the little "you're not my friend' anymore stuff...and take it to PM if you have a problem....

Damn...that was hard to type...Carrie...I can't remember, do YOU use the left hand or do I? this sharing the brain thing is really getting hard :rolleyes:

[irishgrl]

omfg :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

when was before carrie? before i joined? deanna, have i been corrupting you since november 2005?



it's true :o i'm so insanely jealous :D
There's been a distinct change in Deanna since you and she bonded. Im not saying its a good/bad/corrupt thing. Im just saying that before her friendship with you, she had plenty of complaints about the regulars on the board. Amber in particular but others too. Enough for her to have left at least once and consider leaving a few other times. All of which were actually publicly detailed in various "Im leaving" posts . Whatever.

Deanna, if one were actually able to store every PM that was ever sent, I'd be able to accomodate you. Alas, I clear out my PM's regularly as do we all.

On Topic: Alec Baldwin is an ASS and I hope the notoriety he suffered will force him to be more circumspect.

[DrummerDeanna]

omfg :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

when was before carrie? before i joined? deanna, have i been corrupting you since november 2005?




LOL That pretty much KILLED me. B.C. I'm going to start using that. "Hey, remember that big Ledge fight with whosajerk?" "Oh yes, that was B.C. though, before I was able to formulate my own thoughts." "oh" "oh the Carriemanity!"


:rolleyes:

[carrie721]

There's been a distinct change in Deanna since you and she bonded. Im not saying its a good/bad/corrupt thing. Im just saying that before her friendship with you, she had plenty of complaints about the regulars on the board. Amber in particular but others too. Enough for her to have left at least once and consider leaving a few other times.

i've been friends with dee for a while, so whatever. also, don't you think it's in bad taste to reveal stuff that dee allegedly told you in PM?

[carrie721]

LOL That pretty much KILLED me. B.C. I'm going to start using that. "Hey, remember that big Ledge fight with whosajerk?" "Oh yes, that was B.C. though, before I was able to formulate my own thoughts." "oh" "oh the Carriemanity!"


:rolleyes:

lol. btw, you use the left hand. i couldn't give up control of the mouse. ;)

[irishgrl]

i've been friends with dee for a while, so whatever. also, don't you think it's in bad taste to reveal stuff that dee allegedly told you in PM?
I didnt say anything about a PM did I?

[danax6]

Carrie, obviously you pollute everyone. I think you need to be banned.

[carrie721]

I didnt say anything about a PM did I?

so she complained on the boards about me and others?

Carrie, obviously you pollute everyone. I think you need to be banned.

been there, done that. :laugh:

[Mari]

yeah well this cartoon's giving me a headache though!
Who's siding with who, who's paranoid and who's pm-ing.. on nooz, I lost track again...

[DrummerDeanna]

There's been a distinct change in Deanna since you and she bonded. Im not saying its a good/bad/corrupt thing. Im just saying that before her friendship with you, she had plenty of complaints about the regulars on the board. Amber in particular but others too. Enough for her to have left at least once and consider leaving a few other times.

Um, no. There's been no change Mary. When did we "bond"? We have always been friends....which is why I constantly would argue when you'd accuse her of being "Amber's cronie" But you never believed me....remember when you thought Fur Elise had something to do with Amber? Guess what...completely and totally wrong on that one too (to a hilarious degree)....so you're not always right about these things...

The only change is I started speaking my mind more strongly and being a little grumpier on The Ledge. It has nothing to do with Carrie. You're so off-base it's not even funny.

And it IS ****ty to bring up stuff I allegedly said via PM...but I seriously don't recall saying anything about Paula or Carrie...so please forward them...I've met Paula in person..and can't even think of a time when I've thought ill of her...

[DrummerDeanna]

so she complained on the boards about me and others?



been there, done that. :laugh:

Yes Carrie, don't you remember my "I hate Paula and Carrie" thread? It was a hoot. Oh wait, I think it got closed when I posted that picture of you and Paula doing your evil bidding together....something about it being incriminating...

[irishgrl]

Um, no. There's been no change Mary. When did we "bond"? We have always been friends....which is why I constantly would argue when you'd accuse her of being "Amber's cronie" But you never believed me....remember when you thought Fur Elise had something to do with Amber? Guess what...completely and totally wrong on that one too (to a hilarious degree)....so you're not always right about these things...

The only change is I started speaking my mind more strongly and being a little grumpier on The Ledge. It has nothing to do with Carrie. You're so off-base it's not even funny.

Hmmm, did I mention any of that publicly? Or......perhaps you've just overstepped a boundary? Yep :nod: Why am I not surprised?

And it IS ****ty to bring up stuff I allegedly said via PM...but I seriously don't recall saying anything about Paula or Carrie...so please forward them...I've met Paula in person..and can't even think of a time when I've thought ill of her...
sorry, again you got confused: I never mentioned PM's. You were quite PUBLIC with your unhappiness. Perhaps you need to beef up on your Ginko for memory retention.

[DrummerDeanna]

Hmmm, did I mention any of that publicly? Or......perhaps you've just overstepped a boundary? Yep :nod: Why am I not surprised?

What? What are you even talking about?

Did you mention any of what publicly? You just accused me of bad-mouthing Paula and Carrie (I'm guessing via PM, since I've never done so publicly nor have I via e-mail) which is ****ty. So where is your information coming from if not some private source, which would have to be PM as I have all the e-mails and I never mentioned what you're accusing me of mentioning?

Why are you not suprised? I really have no clue...but it's not the first time in this thread you've made no sense :shrug:

[DrummerDeanna]

sorry, again you got confused: I never mentioned PM's. You were quite PUBLIC with your unhappiness. Perhaps you need to beef up on your Ginko for memory retention.

Yes I was....but not because of Carrie and Paula as you stated. Amber? Well it's no secret I'm not her biggest fan, and she's made it no secret that she "hates me" so :shrug:

I did leave the Ledge for a bit, Carrie knew about as did several others..I needed a break...it happens...not the first time I'd left and probably not the last :shrug:

Damn...you're acting about 8 kinds of crazy all because I disagreed with you about Alec Baldwin. But personal fueds are against the Ledge guidlines so either take your beef up with me in PM or swallow it with a bottle of Crown.

[irishgrl]

What? What are you even talking about?

Did you mention any of what publicly? You just accused me of bad-mouthing Paula and Carrie (I'm guessing via PM, since I've never done so publicly nor have I via e-mail) which is ****ty. So where is your information coming from if not some private source, which would have to be PM as I have all the e-mails and I never mentioned what you're accusing me of mentioning?

Why are you not suprised? I really have no clue...but it's not the first time in this thread you've made no sense :shrug:
Poor Deanna. You accuse me of leaking PM's when Ive done no such thing, yet you turn around and blatantly share in public, things Ive PM'd you about.

Yes, since you've brought it up, I was wrong about Fur Elise.
Actually, since Amber doesnt seem to be here much any more, apparently I overestimated her influence. Im not going to embarrass you by discussing YOUR PM's. As I said, my inbox was full long ago and they are all mercifully gone.

As for your assertion that I have a "beef with you" I think you overestimate your importance to ME. I only responded in kind.

[mikeschmike]

What? What are you even talking about?

Did you mention any of what publicly? You just accused me of bad-mouthing Paula and Carrie (I'm guessing via PM, since I've never done so publicly nor have I via e-mail) which is ****ty. So where is your information coming from if not some private source, which would have to be PM as I have all the e-mails and I never mentioned what you're accusing me of mentioning?

Why are you not suprised? I really have no clue...but it's not the first time in this thread you've made no sense :shrug:
C'mon Dee, we all know about the conspiring that goes on in the background around here. Do not deny what we know to be true!

Wait a minute, none of that really happened. I'm just drunk.

[Sarah]

it says deemanity. :lol:

[DrummerDeanna]

As for your assertion that I have a "beef with you" I think you overestimate your importance to ME. I only responded in kind.

Oh, you're right. Silly me...clearly you have absolutely no beef with me at all, as the last few pages have evidenced you hardly have even given this a second thought. Well, this sort of thing happens often in a DeannaCentric universe, you know. Again, silly me.

And actually your Fur Elise stuff wasn't from a PM. :p

[irishgrl]

I want M&Ms dammit :blob2:
green ones?

[jannieC]

I've had plenty of healthy debates with plenty of people, friend and foe alike. As long as Im treated with respect I do the same.

I'm not sure I agree with this, Mary. I have never been anything but kind and respectful to you and you have made snarky comments to me in the past (putting the words "training" in quotes while referring to my education being the most recent). This is just my opinion, but I think that you can become very passionate about certain issues and then take personal offense when someone disagrees with you. I also believe that you are unable to let things go, or even admit that there may be another angle about something other than what you perceive to be true.

[skcin]

^ Uh-oh. :( I think you just made yourself one of my cronies.


I like all colors with popcorn. In fact, I prefer my popcorn with M&Ms. I don't get enough popcorn. I only have popcorn when I go to movie theatres and that is not often enough. The last movie I saw in a theatre was "the devil wears prada" and that is now on DVD. Typing of DVD, I want to see that Sean Penn movie "all the kings men"...is that out yet?

The world just tipped on axis what with all the yawning. :laugh:

That reminds me, I never did rent Devil Wears Prada. Been meaning to. And I love any sort of chocolate candy with popcorn. I discovered that accidentally one time when I was babysitting.

[carrie721]

^ Uh-oh. :( I think you just made yourself one of my cronies.

no goddammit, you can't have her! she's MY cronie! :mad:

[estranged4life]

Hi, I'm Brian j.

I have no 'croonies', nor am I a member of a mystical 'clique'

I have no clue, no life, no health and too many women in my life...

But I always have plenty of the following to terrorize y'all with

<div align=left><img src="http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rhiannon/Hasselhoff.gif"><img src="http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rhiannon/Hasselhoff.gif"><img src="http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rhiannon/Hasselhoff.gif">

That is all...

Thank y'all and good night :thumbsup:

[Sarah]

Hi, I'm Brian j.

I have no 'croonies', nor am I a member of a mystical 'clique'

I have no clue, no life, no health and too many women in my life...


:wavey:

i hear ya. and let me tell you - speaking from personal experience - being a loner is almost always best. sometimes it gets lonely (obviously), but it's always safe and easy. :laugh:

[Sarah]

a little world within a world :cool:

you're just absolutely eaten up with it. :lol:

[MoonChilde]

totally :p
<img src="http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a152/BTFLCHLD/06-1.jpg">

ahhhhh I like your world...May I join you there??

[Serrart]

Ahem, sorry to interrupt but I'd need a technical information. At what page can I read the latest comments about Alec Baldwin's outburst?

Romy

[Wild_Heart03]

no goddammit, you can't have her! she's MY cronie! :mad:

carrie, could you please take down your sig? I find the baby's glowing eyes terribly offensive. :distress:

[michelle2677]

carrie, could you please take down your sig? I find the baby's glowing eyes terribly offensive. :distress:

dude. they ARE kinda freaky, aren't they??


evil and satanic. just like carrie's black heart.

[Wild_Heart03]

dude. they ARE kinda freaky, aren't they??


evil and satanic. just like carrie's black heart.

well you know how she is... roaming the country, corrupting people. she uses those glowing eyes to hypnotize her followers.

[irishgrl]

I'm not sure I agree with this, Mary. I have never been anything but kind and respectful to you and you have made snarky comments to me in the past (putting the words "training" in quotes while referring to my education being the most recent). This is just my opinion, but I think that you can become very passionate about certain issues and then take personal offense when someone disagrees with you. I also believe that you are unable to let things go, or even admit that there may be another angle about something other than what you perceive to be true.
Jannie, I only made ONE comment to you. For which I apologise. You didnt deserve that.

[irishgrl]

Ahem, sorry to interrupt but I'd need a technical information. At what page can I read the latest comments about Alec Baldwin's outburst?

Romy
I tried to get back On Topic a few pages back but apparently its a popcorn/crony fest. :shrug: Perhaps if you learn the secret handshake, you'll be allowed in.

As for any further news, I personally havent heard any. Did anyone catch the View? What happened?

[irishgrl]

dude. they ARE kinda freaky, aren't they??


evil and satanic. just like carrie's black heart.
they'e only 54% evil. not quite satanic I should think...

[michelle2677]

I tried to get back On Topic a few pages back but apparently its a popcorn/crony fest. :shrug: Perhaps if you learn the secret handshake, you'll be allowed in.

As for any further news, I personally havent heard any. Did anyone catch the View? What happened?

jesus, you ARE a glutton for punishment, aren't you?

I would think, for someone yelling "group mentality" and "everyone's getting on my case" and it's not fair, and blah blah blah-you would want the convo to take a turn.

it was getting a tad tense for me, so I enjoyed the little break. but apparently you didn't so that reinforces my belief in the fact you love to argue.

so now there's a secret handshake to the secret club of popcorn? I think butter, chocolate and cheese were discussed. it's all public access. here are some links to popcorn companies.

http://www.actii.com/index.jsp

http://www.orville.com/index.jsp#continue

http://www.prestonfarms.com/

http://www.kukuruza.com/

[BlackWidow]

Lighten up bitches!!! LOLOL!!!!!
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[irishgrl]

jesus, you ARE a glutton for punishment, aren't you?

I would think, for someone yelling "group mentality" and "everyone's getting on my case" and it's not fair, and blah blah blah-you would want the convo to take a turn.

it was getting a tad tense for me, so I enjoyed the little break. but apparently you didn't so that reinforces my belief in the fact you love to argue.

so now there's a secret handshake to the secret club of popcorn? I think butter, chocolate and cheese were discussed. it's all public access. here are some links to popcorn companies.

http://www.actii.com/index.jsp

http://www.orville.com/index.jsp#continue

http://www.prestonfarms.com/

http://www.kukuruza.com/
ahem. I was making a joke. not surprised it went over your head.

:distress:

Romy asked a legit question and aside from the joke I gave a legit answer. I wasnt arguing with anyone. Perhaps you need another break?

[BlackWidow]

Hi, I'm Brian j.

I have no 'croonies', nor am I a member of a mystical 'clique'

I have no clue, no life, no health and too many women in my life...

But I always have plenty of the following to terrorize y'all with

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That is all...

Thank y'all and good night :thumbsup:
That is ****ing HYSTERICAL!!!:nod:

[irishgrl]

That is ****ing HYSTERICAL!!!:nod:
Sick Andre, sick...that is all :p

that weird face he makes, makes him look like Liberace :eek:

[BlackWidow]

Sick Andre, sick...that is all :p

that weird face he makes, makes him look like Liberace :eek:

Oh..I think it's HOT!!!:lol: