a producer...or alone again

[shackin'up]

What do you guys think. Should Lindsey hook up with a producer, like he planned to, or going for the ultimate solo-effort again......doing it all by himself.

[Peestie]

Really depends on who the producer is. If it was Richard Dashut then I'd be all for it, but I think UTS turned out just great without a producer so I wouldn't mind him going for something like that again.

[danax6]

I don't know, I have a feeling only Lindsey really knows what to do with his own music. Unless it's a guy with the same 'visions' as Lindsey, sure, bring him in, but Lindsey could do just as great a job himself then. I'm curious whether bringing in a producer was his own idea or the label's idea. Maybe they are trying to steer into a little more commercial direction, since UTS was sort of Lindsey's indulgence? They tried to target UTS a little more towards the general audience, but Lindsey would have none of it (thank God), so maybe that's why they are now requesting a producer instead of letting him do it all by himself?

A new producer is very risky in my opinion. It could enhance Lindsey's own skills, but it could very well kill the entire album also. We know Lindsey can do it, so I'm kinda hoping he will do it all himself again.

[Madness Fades]

Excuse my lack of knowledge,

But what exactly is the producers role anyway? What decision making authourity could that person actually hold over Lindsey Buckingham.

What advantage would paying a producer anyway when lindsey is one

[danax6]

Excuse my lack of knowledge,

But what exactly is the producers role anyway? What decision making authourity could that person actually hold over Lindsey Buckingham.

What advantage would paying a producer anyway when lindsey is oneFrom Wikipedia:

In the music industry, a record producer (or music producer) has many roles, among them controlling the recording sessions, coaching and guiding the musicians, and supervising the recording, mixing and mastering processes. This has been a major function of producers since the inception of sound recording, but in the later half of the 20th century producers also took on a wider entrepreneurial role. These activities comprise record production.

The music producer could be compared to the film director in that the producer's job is to create, shape and mould a piece of music in accordance with his vision.

So, you see, it's kind of important that Lindsey and whoever's going to produce are on the same wavelength, otherwise it could turn into a disaster. Now, I don't think Lindsey would work with someone that he didn't respect or has too many differing ideas, but as I said, is bringing in a producer Lindsey's idea or the label's request? I think that makes a world of difference.

[JazmenFlowers]

I couldn't really imagine Liddy working very well with a producer. I say let him go it solo.

[Billo]

I'd say LB is best in charge of the music of LB, especially coming off a high-water mark such as UTS.

[face of glass]

Producer-extremes differ quite notably anyway. There's the type that's in the studio for ten minutes a week to listen to a track, then they say something like "cut out the middle eight, we want it to be all about the chorus" and get the hell out of there.

Then there's the 20 hours in a studio per day type like Martin Hannett. Full of eccentric ideas and totally focused on everything he's doing. If you try to get his attention for a second he'll scream something like "WHAT THE F*CK DO YOU WANT NOW?!"

Now we all prefer Lindsey to work with the latter type but in truth the results from something like that could either be heaven or hell. :nod:

[ontheEdgeof17]

There's that saying, "too many cooks spoil the pot." I agree with this when it comes to Lindsey. He has the ability and the artistry to be a great producer. No one else can produce Lindsey's music better than Lindsey.

[ajmccarrell]

I'd like to see Lindsey with a producer like Matt Serletic that has a good track record of taking good songs and making great songs out of them. If you take a look at any Rob Thomas or Matchbox Twenty record, anything that's a collaboration between Thomas and Serletic is a masterpiece of pop-artistry. That being said, I'd like to see Lindsey with a few Hits under his belt. I think he deserves it, and despite not caring so much about charting, I really do think he'd feel better about himself and his "competition" with Stevie Nicks if he had a couple of good singles that top the charts. Down on Rodeo or Bleed to Love Her would have been a good ones, but they weren't promoted as singles at all, despite the idea that they might have done REALLY well with a little airplay.

[Sarah]

I'd only be down for a producer with Lindsey if it was Richard Dashut.

Well, I say that, but really, I like Lindsey's records however it is he decides to serve them.

[shackin'up]

Well, I think lindsey's best album could have been Gift Of Screws, a batch of songs that were coached by Rob Cavallo. He did a good job: make them rock quite energetic, and still keep LB's qualities in front. That's proven to be working well.

I would like to see him work with a producer that conquers with him: a counterpart. Jack White, Rick Rubin, Jim O'Rourke. Rocking record or a more folk-avantgarde thing, either way.

[Sarah]

I really like Jack White.. I just don't think that would work out.

[shackin'up]

I really like Jack White.. I just don't think that would work out.


Well, I think it could work....Electric-acoustic battles that morph into songs, deconstruction of already (almost) finished material-I bet White and O'rourke are specialists in such a task.... Rick Rubin would be the one that gives Lindsey Orders, I don't know if he's waiting for that......

[trackaghost]

I would like to see him work with a producer that conquers with him: a counterpart. Jack White, Rick Rubin, Jim O'Rourke. Rocking record or a more folk-avantgarde thing, either way.


Yes, yes, yes!!!! I definitely would like to see Lindsey working with a good producer. I think if he had someone who would challenge him musically at this point, he may well produce the best work of his career. I really believe he still has that in him.

[shackin'up]

Yes, yes, yes!!!! I definitely would like to see Lindsey working with a good producer. I think if he had someone who would challenge him musically at this point, he may well produce the best work of his career. I really believe he still has that in him.

I certainly believe that too. But I'm sure he doesn't need a boss like that Baker-guy for Go Insane, and I think Cavallo was more of a cooperator. He should stretch himself, set a deadline of three or four months, and butt heads and have fun with O'rourke or White.

Another option is Nigel Godrich, radioheads producer, because Lindsey is such a fan of them. But that has some other dangerous traps to fall into.

[#1LiddyBuckFan]

I think Godrich would be an interesting choice too. He seems to be good at pushing and pulling until he gets the best out of a musician. He's got balls and he doesn't coddle. The work he did with Paul McCartney on Chaos and Creation In The Backyard was great! Talk about a man who is difficult to challenge...but Godrich came in and truly challenged McCartney I felt and it shows. That is a fantastic album.

[SortaSavageLike]

I think that Lindsey's next album should be completely unproduced, and instead come with a "My First Mixing Board" so the listener can mix the songs to their heart's desire.

[BTFLCHLD]

like he planned to I must have missed that...do you have a reference?

[shackin'up]

I must have missed that...do you have a reference?

there are multiple. Search all the articles on LB.com and you'll find some remarks about that. I remember several yet to choose producer - remarks, but I don't keep an archive myself. I like to read everything, but don't read much more than once, nor do I collect. I like to quote "by heart", with desastrous results sometimes. :lol: In this case I'm quite sure.:lol:

[BTFLCHLD]

:lol: In this case I'm quite sure.:lol: :D OK. I will go with whatever Lindsey would like to do. However, I am fascinated by his editing work which he gave small glimpses of during Destiny Rules. We have heard his work...I would love to see more. I am hoping he comes through with the documentary for the making of UTS.

[Billo]

all i can add is that I hope he stays VERY VERY FAR AWAY from anything that would resemble Rob Thomas or Matchbox Twenty......or a recent Santana album.

With him riding the current wave of UTS, my hopes are at an all-time high for LB to make the right step, whatever he figures that be. But it seems that home recording agrees with him, and gives the listener a sense of what Lindsey 4-tracking is like, which is HUGELY appealling to me.

[shackin'up]

all i can add is that I hope he stays VERY VERY FAR AWAY from anything that would resemble Rob Thomas or Matchbox Twenty......or a recent Santana album.

With him riding the current wave of UTS, my hopes are at an all-time high for LB to make the right step, whatever he figures that be. But it seems that home recording agrees with him, and gives the listener a sense of what Lindsey 4-tracking is like, which is HUGELY appealling to me.

I agree. Let him do it himself in stead of a producer that makes it all american mainstreampop like matchbox 20. His approach is totally unusual so I would only like a producer that pushes him even more to the limits, or otherwise: none please.

[Peestie]

I agree. Let him do it himself in stead of a producer that makes it all american mainstreampop like matchbox 20. His approach is totally unusual so I would only like a producer that pushes him even more to the limits, or otherwise: none please.

I agree. I'd hate for his work to be "diluted" because working with a producer forces him to go for something the producer or record company might want more.

[trackaghost]

all i can add is that I hope he stays VERY VERY FAR AWAY from anything that would resemble Rob Thomas or Matchbox Twenty......or a recent Santana album.

With him riding the current wave of UTS, my hopes are at an all-time high for LB to make the right step, whatever he figures that be. But it seems that home recording agrees with him, and gives the listener a sense of what Lindsey 4-tracking is like, which is HUGELY appealling to me.

I agree. I'd hate for his work to be "diluted" because working with a producer forces him to go for something the producer or record company might want more.

You are both very wise men. As is Gerald. I think the fact that Lindsey's listening to stuff like Thom Yorke means he won't go all Matchbox 20 on us.
I like the four-track demo thing too but I still would quite like to see him work with a good producer who would push him in the right direction and challenge him to do something different but brilliant.
There are some really great names being mentioned too, I hope Lindsey is listening

[shackin'up]

You are both very wise men. As is Gerald.

Thanks wise girl.;)
Okay, now let's fantasize about WHAT kind of direction Lindsey should go. Maybe combined with a fitting producer.

Jack White:

Like I said before: I can imagine a sparse spacy production where acoustic guitar fights out battles with electric rocklines. Picture Eyes of the world, but much more open. A hardfolk album. Very 2007. They could even use drumloops or let Lindsey hit the Kleenex again.

Rick Rubin: That would be nice, too. I picture the UTS approach with more dry vocals and warm sounds. Something in between Wildflowers by Tom Petty and 12 songs by Neil Diamond.

But my fave would be O'Rourke. I think he could push Lindsey towards making noise, like lindsey goes for in his long solo's on stage, and use that as basics for songs. On the other side, he's a master at putting together noise, space and melody, and lindsey's pophooks (like TOF, GOS, Given Thing, Shuffle Riff, Steve's Riff, Deep dense) could definately be reinvented that way. I'm curious how he's manage to use LB's acoustic skills in such an environment.

[trackaghost]

O'Rourke would definitely be my choice just because of his work with Wilco and of course he was in Sonic Youth.
I think he would push Lindsey to not be so afraid at expressing his experimental side, but still remain melodic.

Rubin would be interesting just because he was challenge Lindsey's songwriting. He's not a bells and whistles kind of guy, doesn't embellish much in the studio, just pushes songwriters to produce the best songs they can, and that could be interesting for Lindsey to have someone say, this needs to be reworked or this needs a stronger melody or lyrics. It certainly worked with Neil Diamond.

[shackin'up]

Yeah. Neils album turned out fantastic. Still, I think Lindsey needs someone who can mirror and conquer the weird ideas he already has. He's not a musician who's a prisoner of his own legacy, like Cash and Diamond were at the moment they collaborated with Rubin.

How could a match with White turn out in your opinion?

[shackin'up]

No ledgies with an opinion?:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Peestie]

Don't know White well enough to comment, otherwise I would comment.

The amount of acclaim Lindsey gets as a producer, "architect of the Fleetwood Mac sound" etc. plus what he gets for his solo work I think he should go for it himself. I like the idea of having another album that is a Pure Lindsey.

[trackaghost]

Yeah. Neils album turned out fantastic. Still, I think Lindsey needs someone who can mirror and conquer the weird ideas he already has. He's not a musician who's a prisoner of his own legacy, like Cash and Diamond were at the moment they collaborated with Rubin.

How could a match with White turn out in your opinion?

I don't know, I think Lindsey is so adept at all the studio trickery that maybe someone whose interest is solely in the songs themselves would be interesting. Rubin might challenge him to focus on his songwriting rather than the studio process, which we all know Lindsey can get caught up in.

As for Jack White, I think I'd prefer to see him team up with Ms Nicks

[Sarah]

The amount of acclaim Lindsey gets as a producer, "architect of the Fleetwood Mac sound" etc. plus what he gets for his solo work I think he should go for it himself. I like the idea of having another album that is a Pure Lindsey.

Me too.. at least for one more album. I like what he did completely on his own completely acoustic. I'd like to hear him completely on his own totally electrified.

I wonder if his studio is far enough from the kids' rooms that he can crank it up and blow the walls down at night after they've gone to bed?

AND, p.s. I agree with the comment about Jack White & Nicks. She needs someone to help her get unstale, cuz.. girlfriend is really lackin' lately, imo. The Dance era, good. SYW, not so much. Jack's got an interesting approach to writing songs. I bet he could help her get back to being zesty.