Anna Nicole Smith found in hotel room unresponsive

[estranged4life]

I think Mr.Magoo is the father of her child...Or George Jetson :shrug:

Hell, could be Boo-boo bear for all we know :lol:

[gldstwmn]

since I have a similar image in my mind involving my parents :nod:

My mother and brother died on the same day 11 years apart. I think she came for him.

[gldstwmn]

I know - I have a little guit over that as well.

Did you see Howard with the news crew in the house - showing them how the house had been robbed :eek::

That was disgusting. They took the original birth certificate with the baby's foot prints. You only get one of those and it's a very precious item. Not to mention all of the other stuff they stole. The house was completely ransacked. :distress:

As for #5 - I am sure all these likely banged her, but the sharks smell blood in the water. I mean if that baby did not stand to get whatever money ANS had left and the Marshall millions, does anyone really think these men would be admitting to being the father, much less wanting to rear the child :rolleyes:

I'm secretly hoping that she did freeze J. Howards sperm and that the baby is his. Old Pierce would probably be rolling in his grave.

Also to add: I was at the hair salon getting my hair done today and all the other ladies and I that were there agreed that there was something very likeable and endearing about Anna Nicole. We all agreed her death was a tragic loss and worried for the baby.

[SuzeQuze]

NASA had her killed to get their astronaut off the front page. The media is just going crazy with this ANS stuff.

[BTFLCHLD]

Thoughts on the affidavit of the nanny?

http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/021407_affidavit_2.pdf

[GODDESS6]

is anyone watching the circus in a florida courtroom on corttv as to what to do w/ her body?~ the vulchers are out~

[CelticGypsy]

If anything good comes out of this, that little Dannielynn will be with her real father and grow up in a stable, loving environment so she won't have that need for too much attention that ANS seemed to want or need in her life.

Perhaps, all those women (Lindsay, Britney, Nicole, Paris, and others) who live in Hollyweirdland and want fame will see how Anna Nicole's life turned out and use some common sense and want a more stable lifestyle:rolleyes:

[estranged4life]

NASA had her killed to get their astronaut off the front page. The media is just going crazy with this ANS stuff.

Hillary Clinton had her hit so she could blame Obama Barack :shrug:

[Beachwood Mac]

#6 ???

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/Terry74/breen.gif

[estranged4life]

#6 ???

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/Terry74/breen.gif

"It's poss-i-bull, It's poss-i-bull..."

Of course a picture is worth a thousand words:

<div align=center><img src="http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/breen/archive/20070214_breen.gif"></div>

[Kelly]

I did watch some of Court TV's coverage yesterday. We had it on in the office and a few of the attorney's commented on the Judge. They all agreed...he is an idiot. Obviously he is jumping on the attention seeking bandwagon. One of my bosses was so offended when the Judge loudly announced "That baby's on ice". He thought the Judge was referring to Dannielynn. Sadly, that is how he was referring to ANS"s body. I was pretty shocked at how he conducted the proceedings yesterday. It was a chaotic mess and Birkhead's lawyers had no right to even be present. The whole thing gets sadder and nuttier by the day. :rolleyes:

[GODDESS6]

I did watch some of Court TV's coverage yesterday. We had it on in the office and a few of the attorney's commented on the Judge. They all agreed...he is an idiot. Obviously he is jumping on the attention seeking bandwagon. One of my bosses was so offended when the Judge loudly announced "That baby's on ice". He thought the Judge was referring to Dannielynn. Sadly, that is how he was referring to ANS"s body. I was pretty shocked at how he conducted the proceedings yesterday. It was a chaotic mess and Birkhead's lawyers had no right to even be present. The whole thing gets sadder and nuttier by the day. :rolleyes:

i posted about it & had it on most of the day, the judge kept saying how they were gonna treat this body w/ respect, but he sure didn't, it was all just a circus, i felt bad for anna~

[estranged4life]

Former Playmate was pregnant at time of alleged prescription

Documents obtained by TMZ.com claim Anna Nicole Smith was prescribed methadone under a false name while she was pregnant.

LOS ANGELES - The man claiming to be Anna Nicole Smith's primary care physician, Dr. Sandeep Kapoor found himself in hot water yesterday when it was revealed he allegedly had prescribed a pregnant Smith methadone.

In documents obtained by TMZ.com, it was revealed that Dr. Kapoor wrote a methadone prescription for the star under the false name of "Michelle Chase." The prescription however was mailed to Anna under her real name Vickie Marshall in the Bahamas. Just days ago however, Dr. Kapoor claimed in an interview with Access Hollywood that Anna was not on drugs while she was pregnant with five-month-old Dannielynn.

"The baby didn't have any withdrawals. The baby was healthy so it's obvious that she was not taking drugs," he said. "Anyone [who would] have been taking hard medication when they were pregnant, there would have been some kind of problem with the child."

Since news broke about the methadone prescription, Dr. Kapoor has been unavailable for comment. He cancelled an interview with Access and was captured with his head covered while ducking in to a van in Los Angeles yesterday. His Southern California practice offices had the curtains drawn and the doors locked as well.

In our interview last Thursday, February 8th, Dr. Kapoor said his orders to Anna Nicole while she was pregnant were very simple.

"Just get a lot of rest the usual. I mean, you know, basically eat well, try to get a lot of rest. Slow down your schedule and you know she was gonna go get some R&R," he said.

Sandeep, who met Anna after her weight loss, confirmed a number of doctors were skeptical about treating Anna Nicole because of "media and other issues," he said. "For me it was about being an advocate for her health and it's about being responsible for new patients, not walking away from them."

The doctor also told Access he believed videos of Anna Nicole slurring her words were acting on the model's part.

"That baffles me," he said. "Part of it was to play up the media," he said. "A part of it I believe, was staged, was stunt."

When asked for his thoughts on why Narcan was administered to Anna Nicole by paramedics who treated her on the scene at the Hollywood, FL hotel where she was found unconscious, Dr. Sandeep said he was unaware of what she was on that would require that treatment.

"Since not seeing her since May I wouldn't want to speculate on what she could have taken," he said. "[In the case of] toxic ingestions, most emergency rooms would attempt to reverse something with that. It would only work in the case of an overdose of an opiate."

Copyright 2007 by NBC. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[Kelly]

Former Playmate was pregnant at time of alleged prescription

Documents obtained by TMZ.com claim Anna Nicole Smith was prescribed methadone under a false name while she was pregnant.

LOS ANGELES - The man claiming to be Anna Nicole Smith's primary care physician, Dr. Sandeep Kapoor found himself in hot water yesterday when it was revealed he allegedly had prescribed a pregnant Smith methadone.

In documents obtained by TMZ.com, it was revealed that Dr. Kapoor wrote a methadone prescription for the star under the false name of "Michelle Chase." The prescription however was mailed to Anna under her real name Vickie Marshall in the Bahamas. Just days ago however, Dr. Kapoor claimed in an interview with Access Hollywood that Anna was not on drugs while she was pregnant with five-month-old Dannielynn.

"The baby didn't have any withdrawals. The baby was healthy so it's obvious that she was not taking drugs," he said. "Anyone [who would] have been taking hard medication when they were pregnant, there would have been some kind of problem with the child."

Since news broke about the methadone prescription, Dr. Kapoor has been unavailable for comment. He cancelled an interview with Access and was captured with his head covered while ducking in to a van in Los Angeles yesterday. His Southern California practice offices had the curtains drawn and the doors locked as well.

In our interview last Thursday, February 8th, Dr. Kapoor said his orders to Anna Nicole while she was pregnant were very simple.

"Just get a lot of rest the usual. I mean, you know, basically eat well, try to get a lot of rest. Slow down your schedule and you know she was gonna go get some R&R," he said.

Sandeep, who met Anna after her weight loss, confirmed a number of doctors were skeptical about treating Anna Nicole because of "media and other issues," he said. "For me it was about being an advocate for her health and it's about being responsible for new patients, not walking away from them."

The doctor also told Access he believed videos of Anna Nicole slurring her words were acting on the model's part.

"That baffles me," he said. "Part of it was to play up the media," he said. "A part of it I believe, was staged, was stunt."

When asked for his thoughts on why Narcan was administered to Anna Nicole by paramedics who treated her on the scene at the Hollywood, FL hotel where she was found unconscious, Dr. Sandeep said he was unaware of what she was on that would require that treatment.

"Since not seeing her since May I wouldn't want to speculate on what she could have taken," he said. "[In the case of] toxic ingestions, most emergency rooms would attempt to reverse something with that. It would only work in the case of an overdose of an opiate."

Copyright 2007 by NBC. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.



Well, in all honesty, if she was taking the methadone AS PRESCRIBED, it is better than doing heroin or oxycontin while she was pregnant. :shrug: There are ALOT of pregnant women who are prescribed methadone maintenence. I have worked with quite a few at my job. The babies do have withdrawal but long term there is no damage to the child. If she was an opiate addict when she got pregnant, the doctors probably DID prescribe her methadone. :shrug: Drugs like zanax or klonopin are far, far worse and would not be prescribed to a pregnant woman. I would be really pissed if she took those type of things while pregnant.

[GiniLeaE]

<center>is anyone watching the circus in a florida courtroom on corttv as to what to do w/ her body?~ the vulchers are out~

THIS IS TRULY PATHETIC! Poor thang needs to be properly "made-up" aka EMBALMED before she can wear that dress she supposedly picked out...:shrug: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/497940p-419750c.html</center>

[gldstwmn]

http://www.nbc6.net/videostream/11022074/detail.html

If anyone has time to watch this, it's pretty interesting. They are currently in recess until 2:30 eastern time.

[strandinthewind]

^^^

The judge is a trip and IMO an overcooked Virginia Ham :cool:

I mean, to me, it seems like he should TODAY order blood drawn from HS, et al and get this matter over with. There is no excuse for the delay.

[BTFLCHLD]

That stream made my computer smoke. :shocked:

[GODDESS6]

http://www.nbc6.net/videostream/11022074/detail.html

If anyone has time to watch this, it's pretty interesting. They are currently in recess until 2:30 eastern time.

howard just took the stand awhile ago, i can'r mis his testimony~ he looks distraught to me~

[bikerchic]

Sorry if this has been posted already. But wow :shocked:

http://www.celebitchy.com/index.php/3083/video_of_anna_nicole_drugged_out_pregnant_and_wearing_clown_makeup/

[DrummerDeanna]

Sorry if this has been posted already. But wow :shocked:

http://www.celebitchy.com/index.php/3083/video_of_anna_nicole_drugged_out_pregnant_and_wearing_clown_makeup/

Gawd. :distress: that is so sad. And disturbing.

[Beachwood Mac]

Ah... the pleasures of working from home this week. Is this judge for real and can anyone believe that any decision he makes will stand? He's slowly becoming Florida's version of Judge Ito.

[Merf]

Ah... the pleasures of working from home this week. Is this judge for real and can anyone believe that any decision he makes will stand? He's slowly becoming Florida's version of Judge Ito.

This whole thing is starting to remind me of Keith Olbermann's running Oddball gag thanking Florida for all the weird things that have ever happened in this country.

[Beachwood Mac]

^ Living in California I thought I had seen and heard it all, but lately, Florida has taken the lead.

[CelticGypsy]

This judge really is running his own circus. I feel bad for L.B., V.A. and H.K.S. having to go through this but it seems they all fell short of taking care of Vickie Lynn Marshall. In all honesty, if H.K.S. were a better friend and lawyer, he would have encouraged Anna Nicole to clean up her act. He really seemed to be a bigger golddigger than she was:mad: She was his gravytrain.

It would be sad if her mother could not see her remains for the last time or even get to know her granddaughter. I am a mom and it is sad that Anna hated her mother so much that they never found peace with each other.

[Lee]

I saw a little of this at work today, well kind of listened to the audio while I was typing away. I saw some of the ET tape of her taking about her mother, Stern's testimony & her mother's testimony. I heard the doctor's phone call about how her body is deteriorating, especially the face. And knowing all this, the judge is still fooling around; I can't believe that he was going to let all this go on for three weeks! If he wanted to know the biography of Anna Nicole Smith, all he had to do was google her. I'm sure he could have found out more than he needed to know. That was a complete waste of time. He wastes a lot of time. He's a jerk. It should come down to what ANS would have wanted, not where her mother wants her to be buried, not where Stern wants her to be buried, not where the possible biological father of her baby wants her to be buried (and why is he even there for this?). They should honor what the dead wants & everyone knows, she wanted to be next to her son.

Lee :distress:

[JazmenFlowers]

I saw a little of this at work today, well kind of listened to the audio while I was typing away. I saw some of the ET tape of her taking about her mother, Stern's testimony & her mother's testimony. I heard the doctor's phone call about how her body is deteriorating, especially the face. And knowing all this, the judge is still fooling around; I can't believe that he was going to let all this go on for three weeks! If he wanted to know the biography of Anna Nicole Smith, all he had to do was google her. I'm sure he could have found out more than he needed to know. That was a complete waste of time. He wastes a lot of time. He's a jerk. It should come down to what ANS would have wanted, not where her mother wants her to be buried, not where Stern wants her to be buried, not where the possible biological father of her baby wants her to be buried (and why is he even there for this?). They should honor what the dead wants & everyone knows, she wanted to be next to her son.

Lee :distress:
ITA.

I've stayed out of this thread for the past few days cause it totally bums me out. :distress:

[BTFLCHLD]

They should honor what the dead wants & everyone knows, she wanted to be next to her son. While watching Larry King tonight, I believe I heard Mom's attorney state that Daniel was now buried in Texas. I will be watching the repeat of LK tonight.

Question: Does anyone know how long meth is detectable through drug-testing once someone stops using?

[gldstwmn]

^^^

The judge is a trip and IMO an overcooked Virginia Ham :cool:



He's something else. He's part of what made the whole thing so entertaining. I loved it when he kept calling that attorney "Texas." :laugh: And also, I think you mean New Jersey ham. His accent certainly doesn't sound like Virginia.

[gldstwmn]

howard just took the stand awhile ago, i can'r mis his testimony~ he looks distraught to me~

Despite all that has been said about him, I really feel for Howard. I don't think he is exagerrating in any way when he says she was his whole world.

[BTFLCHLD]

While watching Larry King tonight, I believe I heard Mom's attorney state that Daniel was now buried in Texas. I will be watching the repeat of LK tonight. :sorry: The attorney had a slight accent. He actually said that Daniel will eventually be buried in Texas.

[gldstwmn]

:sorry: The attorney had a slight accent. He actually said that Daniel will eventually be buried in Texas.

Whaaaaaat? Oh no. :distress: That is just wrong.

[BTFLCHLD]

Despite all that has been said about him, I really feel for Howard. I don't think he is exagerrating in any way when he says she was his whole world. He seems so even when he speaks and why are his eyes 80% downcast?

[strandinthewind]

Whaaaaaat? Oh no. :distress: That is just wrong.

I know. The gall of her mother is horrid to me.

[Kelly]

While watching Larry King tonight, I believe I heard Mom's attorney state that Daniel was now buried in Texas. I will be watching the repeat of LK tonight.

Question: Does anyone know how long meth is detectable through drug-testing once someone stops using?


Huh? Daniel is buried in the Bahamas, where his mother bought him a burial plot. She also bought herself one right next to him. The only issue this idiot judge has any jurisdiction over is who should get her body. He must decide this issue based on ANNA's INTENT. So, she bought a plot for herself in the Bahamas, her son is buried in the Bahamas....obviously she wanted to be buried in the Bahamas. That abusive POS mother of Anna's is going to try to bring Daniel to Texas, too. This whole thing makes me sick and the Judge should be disbarred.

[Kelly]

He seems so even when he speaks and why are his eyes 80% downcast?

He is in mourning. He doesn't want to be involved in that circus of a Court. He wants to be home protecting his daughter. (legal daughter under Bahamian law) He was probably shocked and appauled by the whole proceeding.

That clown video was stolen from ANS's personal computer. Shown on the fabulous "Fox News". She may seem F'd up in the video to some but she always talked like a baby on her reality show. To me, the video was typical ANS....weird and bizarre. The "mushroom" comment was Howard asking if he was on shrumes because she was made up like a clown!

[strandinthewind]

^^^

It is unclear if Bahamian law applies as ANS has yet to prove she owned that house, which is a requirement for residence.

Also, HS is presumed to be the father of the child, but that presumption is rebuttable through, say, a DNA test.

But, I agree with you, the behavior of all, save for maybe HS, is appalling. Whoever thinks these "fathers" would actually want that kid if it were broke is insane.

[BTFLCHLD]

He is in mourning. He doesn't want to be involved in that circus of a Court. He wants to be home protecting his daughter. (legal daughter under Bahamian law) He was probably shocked and appauled by the whole proceeding. wow you are really in touch with what Howard is thinking and how he is feeling. :eek:

[GODDESS6]

the court preceding have turned nasty, w/ i'm not sure who's attorney accusing anna's mom of profiting off of anna's death~ & anna's mom accussed HKS of wanting anna's body soley for filming the funeral & selling the footage for a million~

[gldstwmn]

The mother is testifying now. She is a lying beeyotch IMO. :distress:

[gldstwmn]

I know. The gall of her mother is horrid to me.

Are you watching her testimony? The woman can't even answer a direct question without running the risk of perjuring herself. It's so obvious.

[gldstwmn]

He seems so even when he speaks and why are his eyes 80% downcast?

I'd be the same way. It took a lot for him just to show up. They're (the mother & family) accusing him of murder.

[BTFLCHLD]

I'd be the same way. It took a lot for him just to show up. They're (the mother & family) accusing him of murder. I don't think he had a choice whether to show up or not...it was a court order, right? I am finding myself sicked by all the players...all of this terribly sad. I wish they could come to an agreement and bury Nicole next to her son.

[gldstwmn]

And we're in recess until 2:30 eastern. Thank gawd because now I can get some work done. :lol: I just can't tear myself away from this. It is just so fascinating to me. :o

[gldstwmn]

I don't think he had a choice whether to show up or not...it was a court order, right?

He didn't have to show up. Maybe one of the legal types can explain why.

[GODDESS6]

And we're in recess until 2:30 eastern. Thank gawd because now I can get some work done. :lol: I just can't tear myself away from this. It is just so fascinating to me. :o

thank goodness for wrking from home, i can't tear myself away either & i have the t.v. up so i can hear it no matter what i am doing:o ~

anna's mom seriously disturbs me, she is so dishonest & keeps putting her foot in her mouth as to where anna said to her where she wanted to be buried~

[BTFLCHLD]

He didn't have to show up. Maybe one of the legal types can explain why. That's OK...no explanation needed. ;)

What is her Mom lying about? I haven't been able to watch while at work. The judge seemed to be asking odd quesitons yesterday. What about today? Naturally, Mom's will attempt a heart string or two. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

same - i couldn't stop watching - and then msnbc went to commercial and im flippin through trying to find it on othr channels -

[memories of the oj trial]

You can stream it uninterrupted on the computer. I put a link earlier in the thread.

[gldstwmn]

What is her Mom lying about? I haven't been able to watch while at work. The judge seemed to be asking odd quesitons yesterday. What about today? Naturally, Mom's will attempt a heart string or two. :shrug:

She will not answer a direct question about whether she has received money from selling her story to the media or is to receive money in the future. She will not directly say how the video made it's way to the media. It has also been intimated that they (media) are paying for her accomodations and attorney. :shocked:

[BTFLCHLD]

You can stream it uninterrupted on the computer. I put a link earlier in the thread. I am afraid to stream that...I am not kidding...while that thing was buffering all of the sudden my computer fan went whack and started smoking! DELL XPS for whatever reason chit blew... I am scared. :lol:

[gldstwmn]

I am afraid to stream that...I am not kidding...while that thing was buffering all of the sudden my computer fan went whack and started smoking! DELL XPS for whatever reason chit blew... I am scared. :lol:

Holy cow! CNN is streaming it as well, as are some of the other major news outlets I think. I thought you were just using the term "made my computer smoke" figuratively. :o

[BTFLCHLD]

She will not answer a direct question about whether she has received money from selling her story to the media or is to receive money in the future. She will not directly say how the video made it's way to the media. It has also been intimated that they (media) are paying for her accomodations and attorney. :shocked: What video -that video they showed yesterday of AN speaking about her mother? I don't like her Mom either...fake...and if AN felt that way about her then everyone should respect that...including her own Mother. As I mentioned, she isn't going to play strong.ass.mom she is going to play feel.for.me. Anyway, she lost her daughter, Howard lost his love, and Dannilynn her mom. I hope they put AN to "rest" as the thought of this happening while she awaits is bothersome.

[gldstwmn]

(and thanks gldstwmn - i didn't see the stream link )

No worries. I hope you didn't have any plans for this afternoon. :laugh: :wavey:

[gldstwmn]

What video -that video they showed yesterday of AN speaking about her mother? .

Nope. Virgie (or someone in her family) apparently sold some vid to Splash news of Virgie visiting Daniel's grave in the Bahamas. And I think their have been interviews with ABC and other news outlets. I also heard the term exclusive rights bandied about.

[BTFLCHLD]

Nope. Virgie (or someone in her family) apparently sold some vid to Splash news of Virgie visiting Daniel's grave in the Bahamas. And I think their have been interviews with ABC and other news outlets. I also heard the term exclusive rights bandied about. If she off the stand now? Is Larry next?

[estranged4life]

After reading all these court reports, I am glad Quilt-Pirate hurled a hairball on the satellite receiver (Thus setting it on fire - Nothing like seeing a fireworks display in your living room at 1AM) so I dont have to see/hear this stuff.

Accusations of possible filming of the body & the funeral for $$$$??? W.T.H.O.A.M.F.H.??? I would GLADLY give my complete music collection away in exchange to be rid of the mental images of my Mom's funeral.

[strandinthewind]

Are you watching her testimony? The woman can't even answer a direct question without running the risk of perjuring herself. It's so obvious.

No - I cannot stream here. So sad that she results to this. I mean why the fukc would ANS buy a plot next to her son? There is no answer other than the obvious one that she wanted to be buried there with him.

[strandinthewind]

I don't think he had a choice whether to show up or not...it was a court order, right? I am finding myself sicked by all the players...all of this terribly sad. I wish they could come to an agreement and bury Nicole next to her son.

I think of all of the HS is acting in ANS' best interest. Again, she married him in an unofficial ceremoney (with the official on to follow) and she bought those plts and chose to bury her son in the Bahamas. Clearly, that demonstrates her intent with her child and body and HS is the only one executing that intent.

[BTFLCHLD]

I mean why the fukc would ANS buy a plot next to her son? There is no answer other than the obvious one that she wanted to be buried there with him. It would help if the cemetary could provide documentation of the purchase.

[strandinthewind]

It would help if the cemetary could provide documentation of the purchase.

Well, we know her son is in the ground there - that speaks volumes.

I thought the purchase of the two plots has not been contested. Where are you getting this?

[BTFLCHLD]

Well, we know her son is in the ground there - that speaks volumes.

I thought the purchase of the two plots has not been contested. Where are you getting this? I just thought that perhaps if someone had documentation of her signing a contract/invoice or making payment with them that document may list the person the 2nd plot was intended for (AN) and that would help put to rest AN's intention. :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

I just thought that perhaps if someone had documentation of her signing a contract/invoice or making payment with them that document may list the person the 2nd plot was intended for (AN) and that would help put to rest AN's intention. :shrug:

I think that exists, though i have not seen it. Interestingly, she did not buy four plots, one for Howard and one for the baby.

[gldstwmn]

It would help if the cemetary could provide documentation of the purchase.

There are cancelled checks.

[gldstwmn]

Mama's back on the stand. She just admitted that Splash News flew her to the Bahamas, etc.

[BTFLCHLD]

There are cancelled checks. wow you are good! :xoxo:

[gldstwmn]

Ho****. Mama just admitted that a reporter for Splash News has been driving her around and drove her to the viewing of the body. :distress:

[DrummerDeanna]

Mama's back on the stand. She just admitted that Splash News flew her to the Bahamas, etc.

The woman makes me sick. I know she's her mother, but coming from a family that understands that not all mothers are automatically saints, I do not trust this lady at all.

[strandinthewind]

Mama's back on the stand. She just admitted that Splash News flew her to the Bahamas, etc.

This whole thing is being manipulated by the media. I am sure HS is getting some cashola for all his stuff appearing on the net. I think Birkhead is likely the least well paid, unless he has some card up his sleeve regarding paternity.

Moreover, I do not blame HS one bit for selling this to the vultures. This defense will cost him in the millions before it is said and done and HS has no access to any of ANS' money unless he is the father of the child, which he will have to spend likely a million to prove, if he can.

[BTFLCHLD]

I am sorry... 'I sent a letter to the pink house.' :shocked: :lol:

Knowing she was coming to court to testify she should have been prepped as well her attorney should be providing any and all contact evidence they could muster (phone records, etc)...if there is any. :shrug:

Not sure where this end, but I sense a sympathetic tone from the judge for mom.

[BTFLCHLD]

Is howard on now or am I watching an old vid?

[Beachwood Mac]

HKS knows exactly what he's doing. As an "attorney" he knows how to play the game on the stand. I don't trust any of them. I can't wait to hear the judges ruling and his basis for making it.

[Beachwood Mac]

Is howard on now or am I watching an old vid?

He's back on the stand. No rerun.

[strandinthewind]

HKS knows exactly what he's doing. As an "attorney" he knows how to play the game on the stand. I don't trust any of them. I can't wait to hear the judges ruling and his basis for making it.

If he rules to give ANS' body to her mother and to exhume Daniel so that they can be buried in Texas, then he ought to be horse whipped within an inch of his life.

As for the baby, let the DNA chips fall where they may.

[BTFLCHLD]

He's back on the stand. No rerun. Thanks. As I said, he is very even on the stand...but then I noticed that about her personality long ago...he doesn't have much in the way of an emotional rise.

[Beachwood Mac]

If he rules to give ANS' body to her mother and to exhume Daniel so that they can be buried in Texas, then he ought to be horse whipped within an inch of his life.

As for the baby, let the DNA chips fall where they may.

It's amazing that they found the one judge on the planet that had never heard about the whole ANS and the old guy (including his death and subsequent lawsuit). Are judges elected or appointed in Florida?

HKS only got paid $12,500 for the reality show and that has been his only income since 2002?

[strandinthewind]

It's amazing that they found the one judge on the planet that had never heard about the whole ANS and the old guy (including his death and subsequent lawsuit). Are judges elected or appointed in Florida?

HKS only got paid $12,500 for the reality show and that has been his only income since 2002?

I am sure ANS paid him in cash to him as her lawyer and/or she shared her wealth with him. I am willing to bet he has a big ole pile of ANS' cash because John's rarely pay by check.

[BTFLCHLD]

damn...asking HS about dope...what's next a drug-test? :eek:

[gldstwmn]

Larry Birkhead is on the stand now. What a little hottie. I can see why Anna hooked up with him. :nod:

[BTFLCHLD]

I can see why Anna hooked up with him. :nod: He is a hottie on a 12" hotdogbun and I am starving!! He is very softspoken which I like very much.

[Beachwood Mac]

You ho bags! Don't you realize this is a serious court hearing? :lol: :lol:

[BTFLCHLD]

You ho bags! :xoxo: We love you Beachwood!

[JazmenFlowers]

He is a hottie on a 12" hotdogbun and I am starving!! He is very softspoken which I like very much.
you took the words outta my mouth.

[CelticGypsy]

Larry Brikhead is on the stand now. What a little hottie. I can see why Anna hooked up with him. :nod:

No kidding! I am gonna be 50 tomorrow but Larry is a cutie and very charming. I hope he is that little girl's daddy. He seemed to have loved Anna Nicole alot.

[CelticGypsy]

HKS knows exactly what he's doing. As an "attorney" he knows how to play the game on the stand. I don't trust any of them. I can't wait to hear the judges ruling and his basis for making it.

HKS even took his drinking cups out with him from the table so no chance for DNA evidence from his drinking cups. He sure does know how to play the game. I still believe if HKS is the real father then he would take a paternity test. Why is he stalling??????? Makes me wonder;)

[BTFLCHLD]

How would this be finalized tomorrow if he is asking them for their final proposals at 5pm?

[GODDESS6]

Larry Brikhead is on the stand now. What a little hottie. I can see why Anna hooked up with him. :nod:

he's adorable!!!`

[gldstwmn]

You ho bags! Don't you realize this is a serious court hearing? :lol: :lol:

He was laughing. The judge thinks he's Don Rickles for cripes sake. Mr. Birkhead just brightened many a tv or computer screen across America.

[gldstwmn]

though i really think the judge is treating grandma and larry very easy and was a dick repeatedly to H.stern

One lawyer to another. :shrug: There is no question in my mind at this point that she'll be buried in the Bahamas.

[gldstwmn]

HKS even took his drinking cups out with him from the table so no chance for DNA evidence from his drinking cups. He sure does know how to play the game.

Good eye! I didn't even catch that. He's going to make them fight it out in the Bahamas.

[gldstwmn]

How would this be finalized tomorrow if he is asking them for their final proposals at 5pm?

He'll announce his decision by Friday at noon.

[BTFLCHLD]

The judge thinks he's Don Rickles for cripes sake. He found Larry "charming" and his testimony even put a lot of "meat on his bone." :eek:

[gldstwmn]

i guess so -
but i started feelin sorry for him just cos no one is feeling sorry for him.
But that's my problem - ugh!:lol:

Howard? I feel terrible for Howard. I think he really was in love with her and true to her. He certainly enabled her drug problem but if you heard Birkhead's testimony then you know what he was up against. :shrug: She wanted him around all the time and they were both okay with that. If their sexes were reversed, no one would probably bat an eye at that.

[gldstwmn]

He found Larry "charming" and his testimony even put a lot of "meat on his bone." :eek:
:lol: I fell asleep for that part, darn it! I laid on the sofa and listened to it and went to the land of nod for about an hour.

[BTFLCHLD]

He'll announce his decision by Friday at noon. I was thinking tomorrow is Friday :sorry: my schedule is thrown with the 4-day and then I will be off on Friday. Thanks.

[strandinthewind]

One lawyer to another. :shrug: There is no question in my mind at this point that she'll be buried in the Bahamas.

If she is buried anywhere else, it will go against her wishes because the mother had not discussed this issue with her in like ten or more years and IMO clearly is wanting to bury her in Texas and sell the rights to the funeral. Not that HKS won't profit off of that as well, but at least then it will be while honoring her wishes.

Also, I LOVED the questioning regarding the final resting place trial. That question was out of line and completely irrelevant to the issue.

I also love how LB's lawyer is sooooo acting for the cameras. This is a judge trial (no jury) and in a closed court, there are never any such theatrics and when a judge hears or sees such, they shut them down by saying "Counsel -- there is no jury for you to impress and play too and I have seen it all - so, don't bother" :laugh:

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

I haven't really been keeping up with all the court stuff. Is this just to determine where she will be buried?? Or is it also for finding out who the real father is?

[strandinthewind]

I haven't really been keeping up with all the court stuff. Is this just to determine where she will be buried?? Or is it also for finding out who the real father is?

This particular court is determining where she will be buried. The trial itself, however, is a dog and pony show because regardless of any of the irrelevant testimony and antics, she bought a plot in the Bahammas and her son is buried there. How could her intentions have been clearer than that?

I wonder if the the loser will appeal :rolleyes:

[Kelly]

This particular court is determining where she will be buried. The trial itself, however, is a dog and pony show because regardless of any of the irrelevant testimony and antics, she bought a plot in the Bahammas and her son is buried there. How could her intentions have been clearer than that?

I wonder if the the loser will appeal :rolleyes:


I wondered about an appeal. If the ruling comes down Friday afternoon, will any appeals court want to touch this with a ten foot pole? To possibly delay moving a decomposing body to her final resting place?
This Judge is a friggin idiot, it could not be more obvious that he is trying his damndest to get jurisdiction over ALL the matters, including paternity. Thank God CA would not agree to that.
I have said before, I cannot stand Debra Opri. she is an aggressive, obnoxious, heartless bitch. Poor Vergie had to be treated with kid gloves but Howard could be ripped a new one repeatedly. The whole spectacle infuriates me and does not even remotely resemble a normal court proceeding. Rules of evidence do not apply to this Judge.

[strandinthewind]

I wondered about an appeal. If the ruling comes down Friday afternoon, will any appeals court want to touch this with a ten foot pole? To possibly delay moving a decomposing body to her final resting place?
This Judge is a friggin idiot, it could not be more obvious that he is trying his damndest to get jurisdiction over ALL the matters, including paternity. Thank God CA would not agree to that.
I have said before, I cannot stand Debra Opri. she is an aggressive, obnoxious, heartless bitch. Poor Vergie had to be treated with kid gloves but Howard could be ripped a new one repeatedly. The whole spectacle infuriates me and does not even remotely resemble a normal court proceeding. Rules of evidence do not apply to this Judge.


They will have 30 days to appeal. There really is no exigent circunstances because the boday can always be exhumed and moved if the case is reversed, etc. But, either the trial judge (unlikely to stay his own hand) or the AC could issue a stay in the Trial Court's Order and leave poor ANS unburief while this tripe is on appeal - a situation I seriously doubt will hapen.

Regarding jurisdiction, the CA has no right to tell the FL court anything. So, if someone were to move in the FL court to establish paternity via DNA testing, in theory it could happen.

In the end, nothing said yesterday and regardless of the disgusting nature of just about all parties involved - ANS buried her son in the Bahamas and bought herself a plot there. Thus, this is all much ado about nothing but the money made on this circus.

[JazmenFlowers]

I don't know why, but it freaks me out that she actually bought a plot for herself. I mean, that's a very smart thing to do and that's very "prepared" of her, but I guess it just makes me sad.

and no one has mentioned this, I don't think, but can you imagine how here assistant, Kimmy, is feeling? she loved Anna...like...loved. and Sugarpie. where's Sugarpie?

[strandinthewind]

I don't know why, but it freaks me out that she actually bought a plot for herself. I mean, that's a very smart thing to do and that's very "prepared" of her, but I guess it just makes me sad.

and no one has mentioned this, I don't think, but can you imagine how here assistant, Kimmy, is feeling? she loved Anna...like...loved. and Sugarpie. where's Sugarpie?

Where's Kimmie?

[Beachwood Mac]

I'm still not convinced ANS was competent at the time she supposedly purchased the plots. Didn't HKS say she was never the same after Daniel died? Hell, have her cremated and divide the ashes with everyone. And who has taken over my body and actually made me care enough to even ask these questions?

[BTFLCHLD]

It would not susprise me if the decision reads that the body is to be released to the biological father of Dannilynn. I guess we will find out Friday.

[strandinthewind]

It would not susprise me if the decision reads that the body is to be released to the biological father of Dannilynn. I guess we will find out Friday.

The biological father of her should have no say in where ANS or Daniel is buried. I suppose it could be argued that D. will want to visit the grave, but it is not like she cannot afford to go to the Bahamas as opposed to Texas :shrug:

[BTFLCHLD]

The biological father of her should have no say in where ANS or Daniel is buried. I suppose it could be argued that D. will want to visit the grave, but it is not like she cannot afford to go to the Bahamas as opposed to Texas :shrug: As Dannilynn is a minor, decisions for her are made by the biodad. I am thinking California with Daniel's body exumed. :shrug:
We will see what the judge decides.

[strandinthewind]

As Dannilynn is a minor, decisions for her are made by the biodad. I am thinking California with Daniel's body exumed. :shrug:
We will see what the judge decides.

D or her guardian cannot override ANS' choice of where she and D are buried and ANS' choices are fairly crystal clear here.

[JazmenFlowers]

As Dannilynn is a minor, decisions for her are made by the biodad. I am thinking California with Daniel's body exumed. :shrug:
We will see what the judge decides.
god I hope not. there's really no reason they should move Daniel's body, at least in my eyes.

the world knows Anna would want to be near him, plus she was trying to actually live in the Bahamas and bought a plot. I guess I don't see what the issue is. did she not have a will or anything?

[BTFLCHLD]

D or her guardian cannot override ANS' choice of where she and D are buried and ANS' choices are fairly crystal clear here. No but a wack judge can.

wow...the judge and attorneys are grilling LB because he had sex with AN while doing drugs.

[gldstwmn]

I also love how LB's lawyer is sooooo acting for the cameras.

She's a friggin' pit bull.

[gldstwmn]

This particular court is determining where she will be buried. The trial itself, however, is a dog and pony show because regardless of any of the irrelevant testimony and antics, she bought a plot in the Bahammas and her son is buried there. How could her intentions have been clearer than that?

I wonder if the the loser will appeal :rolleyes:

If anyone appeals this decision they should be publicly flogged. Bury her already, for chrissakes. :distress:

[gldstwmn]

Ooooh. Southern gentleman shows his nasty side.

[SuzeQuze]

This particular court is determining where she will be buried. The trial itself, however, is a dog and pony show because regardless of any of the irrelevant testimony and antics, she bought a plot in the Bahammas and her son is buried there. How could her intentions have been clearer than that?

I wonder if the the loser will appeal :rolleyes:

Really? She bought a plot? What a f*cking waste of time and resources!

[gldstwmn]

This Judge is a friggin idiot, it could not be more obvious that he is trying his damndest to get jurisdiction over ALL the matters, including paternity.

He actually made a reel a few years back because he wanted a Judge Judy type show. This is his big moment now.

[gldstwmn]

And who has taken over my body and actually made me care enough to even ask these questions?

It's just human nature. :shrug:

[MoonChilde]

wow..Texas just fainted,is anyone else watching this right now>? It seems the judge is not letting some of the people actually be heard..or is it just me?

[BTFLCHLD]

wow..Texas just fainted,is anyone else watching this right now>? It seems the judge is not letting some of the people actually be heard..or is it just me? My vid just cut to break...did he faint? :shocked:

[gldstwmn]

wow..Texas just fainted,is anyone else watching this right now>?

Yep. This is really taking a toll on all parties.

[MoonChilde]

So sad all of this..Poor Anna...why can;t they all just agree to let her be with her son....
wish i could read lips to see what Anna mom was saying..there at the end

[DrummerDeanna]

Who's Texas? I'm getting confused with all the intitials/nicknames :laugh:

I watched a bit of the trial this morning, I had to turn it off, that judge was pissing me off.

[MoonChilde]

Texas is the attorney from Texas..I believe he is representing Virgie? someone correct me if I am wrong...there seems to be so many players in this drama its hard to keep track

[gldstwmn]

Holy ****! Judge to make decision in a few minutes!!!!

[BTFLCHLD]

Holy ****! Judge to make decision in a few minutes!!!! OMG! wow....here we go!

[Beachwood Mac]

She'll be buried in the Bahamas. He's gonna let someone else try a full case to move the bodies later.

[BTFLCHLD]

my video went blank...is that the decision beachwood?

[Beachwood Mac]

No, just the way I think he's leaning

[BTFLCHLD]

No, just the way I think he's leaning
Did they cut away then? I am not receiving the livefeed!

[Beachwood Mac]

No, it's still on. I have it on MSNBC

[BTFLCHLD]

I have the vid back..thanks. I thought he was going to review the attorney proposals that he gave the deadine of 5pm today. Did he already receive them? Anyway...15 mins till decision.

[DrummerDeanna]

He's now taking, what a 15 minute break? What the hell was the last several minutes...just his soapbox?? He talks way too much for my taste :laugh:

[Sarah]

It all just disgusts me, really. Bless her heart. She was a real person. :distress:

[MoonChilde]

Oh this is just so gut wrenching sad...Even the judge is choking up..they have taken a 15 minute break and then judge will be back with descion.

[Beachwood Mac]

I wonder if he's making a decision today to give the others a chance to appeal tomorrow?

[GODDESS6]

he granted anna to the baby~

[BTFLCHLD]

millstein...WTH where are the nicknames...I do not know what is happening!

[GODDESS6]

the judge wants her buried in the bahamas w/ her son, man he was crying too, this is so sad, god bless you anna:angel: ~

[CelticGypsy]

the judge wants her buried in the bahamas w/ her son, man he was crying too, this is so sad, god bless you anna:angel: ~

I feel bad for the judge too. He really went through the wringer with this one. At least she will be with her son and that is what she wanted most of all. I really hope Larry is the real father of Dannielynn. HKS just seemed to be an enabler and a golddigger the last few years.

[MoonChilde]

OHH that was so tough to watch..Anna will be with Danny..God Bless you Anna.....
but then the lawyer for Virgie asked if they could appeal..and judge said ask if she really wants to...Did I hear Virgie say yes??

[paleshadow]

She said she wanted to be with her son, and she should be. I think the judge is some kind of lunatic though, or wants to gain some notoriety. That's what the journalists on MSNBC were also commenting on.

They are saying that the judge did not rule on where she is to be. He ruled that it is the decision of the next of kins gaurdian, and that is Richard Milstein.

[BTFLCHLD]

Did I hear Virgie say yes?? Yes.

Please, is millstein Dannilynn's attorney?

[paleshadow]

Yes.

Please, is millstein Dannilynn's attorney?

No, he has been appointed her gaurdian for now. So, it's up to him now to decide where Anna Nicole will be burried.

[Sarah]

No, he has been appointed her gaurdian for now. So, it's up to him now to decide where Anna Nicole will be burried.

And he's just a lawyer, right? Just appointed.. not related to the case in any other way?

[paleshadow]

And he's just a lawyer, right? Just appointed.. not related to the case in any other way?


He is a lawyer and the current gaurdian of Dannilynn. They are speculating that he will honor the judges wishes that she be burried next to Daniel, but who knows. They are saying that it may hinge on who is the baby's father. Millstein may want Anna to be burried near wherever the baby will end up living, and that depends on who the father is.

[Sarah]

He is a lawyer and the current gaurdian of Dannilynn. They are speculating that he will honor the judges wishes that she be burried next to Daniel, but who knows. They are saying that it may hinge on who is the baby's father. Millstein may want Anna to be burried near wherever the baby will end up living, and that depends on who the father is.

Yes, I see that, but I mean, Milstein was appointed guardian .. as an "outsider"? (So to speak). In that - he is not an attorney for any of the other players on this stage ... just an attorney the ruling judge has confidence in? Am I correct?

[paleshadow]

Yes, I see that, but I mean, Milstein was appointed guardian .. as an "outsider"? (So to speak). In that - he is not an attorney for any of the other players on this stage ... just an attorney the ruling judge has confidence in? Am I correct?


Sorry. No, he is not representing anyone else in the case. I don't know the details of how he was appointed gaurdian of Dannilynn. I can't say wether the judge has confidence in him or not. The judge pretty much declared that Dannilynn was next of kin and that the body should be released to her. Since she is just 5 months old the body is released to her gaurdian. Hopefully this guy won't also have some kind of personal agenda.

[GODDESS6]

it was good to see all parties together outside of the courtroom, i hope this means that anna's wishes will be carried out & she will be with \ her son~

[BTFLCHLD]

D or her guardian cannot override ANS' choice of where she and D are buried and ANS' choices are fairly crystal clear here. Jason, are you saying that the guardian will have to choose the bahamas?

[DrummerDeanna]

I just saw on the AP Wire that this Millstein fellow has decided ANS will be buried in the Bahamas.

[MoonChilde]

Yes all 3 ..Larry B...Howard K..and Virgie were outside the courthouse and L and H took turns on the microphone saying they have come together and agreed ..Anna will be buried along side her son in the Bahamas..Thank God..Let this poor poor soul rest in peace..

[gldstwmn]

I watched a bit of the trial this morning, I had to turn it off, that judge was pissing me off.

I love the judge. And I love him even more for crying when he read the decision. :thumbsup:

[gldstwmn]

This whole thing is being manipulated by the media. I am sure HS is getting some cashola for all his stuff appearing on the net. I think Birkhead is likely the least well paid, unless he has some card up his sleeve regarding paternity.

Moreover, I do not blame HS one bit for selling this to the vultures. This defense will cost him in the millions before it is said and done and HS has no access to any of ANS' money unless he is the father of the child, which he will have to spend likely a million to prove, if he can.

Agreed on all points.

[gldstwmn]

I wonder if the the loser will appeal :rolleyes:

The mother, that f*cking bitch, filed an appeal this afternoon. Unf*ckingbelievable!:distress: Please let it get dismissed and quickly.

[gldstwmn]

This Judge is a friggin idiot, it could not be more obvious that he is trying his damndest to get jurisdiction over ALL the matters, including paternity.

He's crazy like a fox. He played those attorneys like a fiddle and did exactly what he was supposed to do.

[DrummerDeanna]

The mother, that f*cking bitch, filed an appeal this afternoon. Unf*ckingbelievable!:distress: Please let it get dismissed and quickly.

Agreed. It's clear she does NOT have the best interests of her daughter in mind, letting her decompose in a morgue when she could be buried. The woman infuriates me.

[BTFLCHLD]

So...mom's appeal was denied.

I recently watched a partial of the last interview AN conducted with Larry King that, for some reason, is still on my mind. Howard was also a participant. Anna repeatedly babyspoke that people were suing her all the time, that she trusted no one and, due to this, she spent her time "alone." Are there other lawsuits other than that which she had with Smith? Was her attorney (Howard) drilling away at her trust of anyone other than him?

[gldstwmn]

So...mom's appeal was denied.



Amen. Now we need to hope that she doesn't go to the Florida Supreme Court.

[gldstwmn]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/02/28/smith.case/index.html

WEST PALM BEACH, Florida (CNN) -- A Florida appeals court cleared the way Wednesday for Anna Nicole Smith to be buried next to her son, Daniel, in the Bahamas.

After the panel ruled Wednesday, one of the attorneys for Virgie Arthur, Smith's mother, told CNN there were no plans to appeal to the Florida Supreme Court, clearing the way for Smith's burial to take place.

The decision by a panel of three judges with the 4th District Court of Appeal upheld a lower court ruling that gave custody of Anna Nicole Smith's remains to the court-appointed guardian for her daughter, Dannielynn.

Last week, Broward Circuit Judge Larry Seidlin awarded custody of Smith's body to Richard Milstein, whom Seidlin had appointed as guardian ad litem for the nearly 6-month-old girl.

Arthur appealed that ruling, because Milstein wants the former Playboy playmate buried in the Bahamas and Arthur wants her daughter buried in Texas with other family members.

Milstein intends to have Smith buried next to her son, Daniel. The late model purchased the adjacent Bahamas burial plot after Daniel, 20, died in September, three days after Dannielynn's birth.

Howard K. Stern, Smith's partner and attorney who claims to be the biological father of Dannielynn, also wishes to have Smith buried in the Bahamas.

Any appeal of the decision by the panel of Florida's 4th District Court of Appeal would go to the Florida Supreme Court.

Christopher Carver, an attorney for Milstein, told the judges during Wednesday's hearing that a Bahamas funeral for Smith is scheduled for 10:30 a.m. Friday.

Joshua Perper, Broward County medical examiner, told reporters Smith's body probably will not be removed Wednesday from his office, where it has been stored during the legal battles, because he has not received a phone call to that effect. He expects embalmers from a funeral home to come to view the body and prepare it for shipping.

Perper said he is prepared to accompany Smith's body to the Bahamas, as Seidlin has asked.

Although he previously had warned that the body was decomposing and burial should be expedited, Perper said Wednesday, "I really hope that the body is in such condition that a second viewing will be possible."

At the center of the appellate court debate Wednesday was which case under Florida law should set the legal precedent to determine who gets custody of the body.

Representatives for Stern and Milstein argued that it is indisputable that Smith's wishes were to be buried with her son because she purchased a burial plot next to him.

But Arthur's attorneys argue that a strict reading of Florida law gives her custody of her daughter's remains. They said there is no written record of Smith's intentions, and when there is no spouse and no child at least 18 years old, custody of the body goes to the next of kin, which in this case is the mother.

Seidlin ruled last week that Dannielynn was to be considered next of kin.

Arthur's attorneys asked Seidlin to stay his original order, but he denied the request Monday. The judge said he is concerned about the deterioration of Smith's body.

Smith, 39, died February 8 at a Florida hotel and casino of undetermined causes. Her daughter was born in the Bahamas, and is living there with Stern.

Also in Broward County, a judge announced Wednesday that doctors hired by Larry Birkhead, one of several men claiming to be Dannielynn's father, can have access to DNA samples from Smith -- which are necessary for paternity tests.

Those samples are in the custody of the Broward County medical examiner.

But Judge Lawrence Korda rejected a request from Birkhead's attorneys asking him to order DNA samples from Dannielynn. Korda said he did not have jurisdiction and that order would have to come from authorities in the Bahamas.

Birkhead filed his paternity suit in California, and Korda consulted with the judge dealing with the case before rendering his decision Wednesday.

The legal battles in the Smith case reach beyond Florida.


In Nassau, Bahamas, Birkhead is seeking legal paternity and custody of the child. His attorney, Debra Opri, alleged outside a courthouse Monday that there is "fraud" in the birth certificate, but she didn't elaborate. Arthur also seeks custody. The next hearing is scheduled for March 16.


A South Carolina developer says he still owns the home where Stern and Dannielynn are living in the Bahamas. He says Smith never paid him for the house, although she claimed it was a gift. The judge hearing the case allowed Stern and Dannielynn to stay in the house pending a March 14 hearing.

[Kelly]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/02/28/smith.case/index.html

WEST PALM BEACH, Florida (CNN) -- A Florida appeals court cleared the way Wednesday for Anna Nicole Smith to be buried next to her son, Daniel, in the Bahamas.

After the panel ruled Wednesday, one of the attorneys for Virgie Arthur, Smith's mother, told CNN there were no plans to appeal to the Florida Supreme Court, clearing the way for Smith's burial to take place.

The decision by a panel of three judges with the 4th District Court of Appeal upheld a lower court ruling that gave custody of Anna Nicole Smith's remains to the court-appointed guardian for her daughter, Dannielynn.

Last week, Broward Circuit Judge Larry Seidlin awarded custody of Smith's body to Richard Milstein, whom Seidlin had appointed as guardian ad litem for the nearly 6-month-old girl.

Arthur appealed that ruling, because Milstein wants the former Playboy playmate buried in the Bahamas and Arthur wants her daughter buried in Texas with other family members.

Milstein intends to have Smith buried next to her son, Daniel. The late model purchased the adjacent Bahamas burial plot after Daniel, 20, died in September, three days after Dannielynn's birth.

Howard K. Stern, Smith's partner and attorney who claims to be the biological father of Dannielynn, also wishes to have Smith buried in the Bahamas.

Any appeal of the decision by the panel of Florida's 4th District Court of Appeal would go to the Florida Supreme Court.

Christopher Carver, an attorney for Milstein, told the judges during Wednesday's hearing that a Bahamas funeral for Smith is scheduled for 10:30 a.m. Friday.

Joshua Perper, Broward County medical examiner, told reporters Smith's body probably will not be removed Wednesday from his office, where it has been stored during the legal battles, because he has not received a phone call to that effect. He expects embalmers from a funeral home to come to view the body and prepare it for shipping.

Perper said he is prepared to accompany Smith's body to the Bahamas, as Seidlin has asked.

Although he previously had warned that the body was decomposing and burial should be expedited, Perper said Wednesday, "I really hope that the body is in such condition that a second viewing will be possible."

At the center of the appellate court debate Wednesday was which case under Florida law should set the legal precedent to determine who gets custody of the body.

Representatives for Stern and Milstein argued that it is indisputable that Smith's wishes were to be buried with her son because she purchased a burial plot next to him.

But Arthur's attorneys argue that a strict reading of Florida law gives her custody of her daughter's remains. They said there is no written record of Smith's intentions, and when there is no spouse and no child at least 18 years old, custody of the body goes to the next of kin, which in this case is the mother.

Seidlin ruled last week that Dannielynn was to be considered next of kin.

Arthur's attorneys asked Seidlin to stay his original order, but he denied the request Monday. The judge said he is concerned about the deterioration of Smith's body.

Smith, 39, died February 8 at a Florida hotel and casino of undetermined causes. Her daughter was born in the Bahamas, and is living there with Stern.

Also in Broward County, a judge announced Wednesday that doctors hired by Larry Birkhead, one of several men claiming to be Dannielynn's father, can have access to DNA samples from Smith -- which are necessary for paternity tests.

Those samples are in the custody of the Broward County medical examiner.

But Judge Lawrence Korda rejected a request from Birkhead's attorneys asking him to order DNA samples from Dannielynn. Korda said he did not have jurisdiction and that order would have to come from authorities in the Bahamas.

Birkhead filed his paternity suit in California, and Korda consulted with the judge dealing with the case before rendering his decision Wednesday.

The legal battles in the Smith case reach beyond Florida.


In Nassau, Bahamas, Birkhead is seeking legal paternity and custody of the child. His attorney, Debra Opri, alleged outside a courthouse Monday that there is "fraud" in the birth certificate, but she didn't elaborate. Arthur also seeks custody. The next hearing is scheduled for March 16.


A South Carolina developer says he still owns the home where Stern and Dannielynn are living in the Bahamas. He says Smith never paid him for the house, although she claimed it was a gift. The judge hearing the case allowed Stern and Dannielynn to stay in the house pending a March 14 hearing.



I am so glad that "Mother" let it go. Who would let their daughter rot in a morgue? Vergie had no relationship with Anna and Anna was very clear about her intentions. Buying a plot, etc. The Daddy drama should be interesting though. I was wondering if Larry was going to have the baby spit up tested.....supposedly when Howard let Larry visit with Dannielynn last weekend the baby spit up on his shirt. I know it would not be worth anything in court but maybe for his own piece of mind. :shrug:

[Beachwood Mac]

MSNBC just reported that Entertainment Tonight paid to be allowed to have cameras in the funeral services for ANS. They were the only news organization allowed to film the funeral. They also hinted that the payment went to HKS.

[Kelly]

MSNBC just reported that Entertainment Tonight paid to be allowed to have cameras in the funeral services for ANS. They were the only news organization allowed to film the funeral. They also hinted that the payment went to HKS.

I just heard on Fox that HKS set up the deal but the money goes to Dannielynn. Supposedly Anna did have money issues. (she couldn't even afford to buy a 900,000 home in the Bahamas) The yacht Anna was buying in Florida at the time of her death, also came from money from an ET interview. (or so Fox reported)

[Sarah]

I just heard on Fox that HKS set up the deal but the money goes to Dannielynn. Supposedly Anna did have money issues. (she couldn't even afford to buy a 900,000 home in the Bahamas) The yacht Anna was buying in Florida at the time of her death, also came from money from an ET interview. (or so Fox reported)

Yeah, seems like ET was more involved in Anna stories while she was living than any other group.

Anyway. All of it still disgusts me.

[gldstwmn]

I am so glad that "Mother" let it go. Who would let their daughter rot in a morgue? Vergie had no relationship with Anna and Anna was very clear about her intentions. Buying a plot, etc. The Daddy drama should be interesting though. I was wondering if Larry was going to have the baby spit up tested.....supposedly when Howard let Larry visit with Dannielynn last weekend the baby spit up on his shirt. I know it would not be worth anything in court but maybe for his own piece of mind. :shrug:

I think Howard and Larry are coming to some kind of agreement now. Under Bahamian law, Howard's the dad but Larry (I bet) is the bio.
On another note, I was reading comments from various people on the CNN website. One woman was mad because such a big deal was made of Anna's funeral. She said something to the effecto of "She's not a head of state or the president...SHE WAS NOTHING." I thought what a hateful, horrible, hurtful thing to say. I almost started to cry when I read that. No human being, famous or not is "nothing." Anna probably had to deal with this kind of attitude her whole life.

[DrummerDeanna]

^^

Indeed. And someone who has touched lives and inspired the way Anna has is absolutely not nothing. She may have had her problems, but there were people out there who admired and found inspriation in her, and people who just liked her and were entertained by her, which is also something.

This whole thing was very sad and I was so happy that her "mother" dropped it and allowed the burial to take place. That woman made me so incredibly mad through this whole thing.

[BTFLCHLD]

just reported that the mom will be attempting to have anna's body exumed.

[DrummerDeanna]

just reported that the mom will be attempting to have anna's body exumed.

SONOFA!!!!

That woman PISSES me off. she's banking on the "mom sympathy" thing -and is GETTING the sympathy which is bull****.

ANS hadn't talked to her for years, or was estranged or whatever for a reason. This lady needs to crawl back under her rock and stay there. I have NO sympathy for her at all.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

just reported that the mom will be attempting to have anna's body exumed.

Oh for gods sake. Enough is enough! Let this poor woman rest in peace! It's not like Anna had any relationship with her!

[MoonChilde]

Oh for gods sake. Enough is enough! Let this poor woman rest in peace! It's not like Anna had any relationship with her!

:distress: It just seems to get more bizarre...Now its been reported that Vergie attempted to have funeral stopped this am..but thankfully it did not happen...but now Billy(Danny's) father has filed something ..saying he wants his "son" to be buried in Texas.....:distress: Sure is a change of tune from when the judge asked him on the phone....
Let the poor woman rest in peace....

[Kelly]

I think Howard and Larry are coming to some kind of agreement now. Under Bahamian law, Howard's the dad but Larry (I bet) is the bio.
On another note, I was reading comments from various people on the CNN website. One woman was mad because such a big deal was made of Anna's funeral. She said something to the effecto of "She's not a head of state or the president...SHE WAS NOTHING." I thought what a hateful, horrible, hurtful thing to say. I almost started to cry when I read that. No human being, famous or not is "nothing." Anna probably had to deal with this kind of attitude her whole life.

Oh that is awful. Some people are so heartless. I damn near cried watching the funeral footage on ET. Howard's speech choked me up. :( Vergie pissed me off royally though. I laughed when she got boo'd on her way in. I guess that is mean but she is a beyotch.

[DrummerDeanna]

Oh that is awful. Some people are so heartless. I damn near cried watching the funeral footage on ET. Howard's speech choked me up. :( Vergie pissed me off royally though. I laughed when she got boo'd on her way in. I guess that is mean but she is a beyotch.

I don't think it's mean. She is a selfish selfish woman who is totally cashing in on her own daughter's death. It's disgusting. Of course getting boo'd only allows her to further play the martyr...to that I say, "get of the cross, honey, someone else needs the wood.." :rolleyes:

[gldstwmn]

Oh that is awful. Some people are so heartless. I damn near cried watching the funeral footage on ET. Howard's speech choked me up. :( Vergie pissed me off royally though. I laughed when she got boo'd on her way in. I guess that is mean but she is a beyotch.

I Tivo'd ET so I could see it. I'm going to watch it in a little bit. I think it's important that people that were fan's of Anna get some kind of closure too. So I'm not pissed that they allowed ET at the funeral. Hell, look at the coverage of James Brown's funeral.

[gldstwmn]

I don't think it's mean. She is a selfish selfish woman who is totally cashing in on her own daughter's death. It's disgusting. Of course getting boo'd only allows her to further play the martyr...to that I say, "get of the cross, honey, someone else needs the wood.." :rolleyes:

Virgie is a real piece of work. I think what it ultimately comes down to is that she wants to get her hands on some of J. Howard Marshall's money.

[Beachwood Mac]

I think what it ultimately comes down to is that she wants to get her hands on some of J. Howard Marshall's money.

In reality, that is what drives them all, including Anna. I don't believe she loved J Howard Marshall. She loved the lifestyle. None of the lawyers come cheap. They are also gambling that their client will win a share of the prize. I just can't feel sympathy for HKS. He's as manipulative and money hungry as any of them.

[BlackWidow]

Howard knows he is not the Father...he is starting to let Larry in on things now. He has no choice as the truth will be out soon.

[Beachwood Mac]

Just finished watching the infomercial (funeral coverage by ET) for Howard K Stern. I guess when you sell the rights to cover it, you get the best press. Sort of reminds me of the way Fox covers Bush. Every other report I heard said that HKS was clearly booed the loudest as he arrived at the funeral. He also spoke last and was the only one of the three to bring up the court hearings. Yet, this infomercial only showed his speech today. What a joke.

[CelticGypsy]

Virgie is a real piece of work. I think what it ultimately comes down to is that she wants to get her hands on some of J. Howard Marshall's money.


So does everyone else, especially HKS and all of those lawyers. Virgie is her mother. She was kept away from her grandson who she took care of for his first five years of his life so Anna could go travelling around the world making her dream come true. So Virgie does deserve something from her daughter even if it is seeing her granddaughter grow up. Anna Nicole Smith was on drugs most of the time. Now I hear she had other things physically wrong with her too. I hope Larry Birkhead is Dannielynn's father and I hope he lets Virgie see her sometimes. I hope HKS never gets a dime of Anna's money. He used her enough. To me, he was and is a leech and I would not be surprised if they find out that he gave Anna drugs and Daniel drugs. He seems sleazy.

[strandinthewind]

Now Daniel's father, the former fry cook at the chicken shack in Mexia, Texas who knocked Vickie Lynn uo and has not seen his son in like 18 years, is seeking to move Daniel's remains to Texas :eek:

[Kelly]

So does everyone else, especially HKS and all of those lawyers. Virgie is her mother. She was kept away from her grandson who she took care of for his first five years of his life so Anna could go travelling around the world making her dream come true. So Virgie does deserve something from her daughter even if it is seeing her granddaughter grow up. Anna Nicole Smith was on drugs most of the time. Now I hear she had other things physically wrong with her too. I hope Larry Birkhead is Dannielynn's father and I hope he lets Virgie see her sometimes. I hope HKS never gets a dime of Anna's money. He used her enough. To me, he was and is a leech and I would not be surprised if they find out that he gave Anna drugs and Daniel drugs. He seems sleazy.


So Anna's feelings about her Mom should not be taken into consideration? Drugs do not make someone hate their Mother. People still have feelings and real emotions on drugs. We cannot dismiss ANS's feelings about Vergie, because she "took drugs". Vergie uses that excuse all the time "my daughter only hates me cause she's on drugs". That makes NO sense. Anna did not want her child around Vergie...that is good enough for me. Anna has always been a tortured soul...stuff like that usually is rooted in childhood. ANS's first rehab was in 1994...long before she met Howard. Howard also does not strike me as a murderer....enabler, yes. He was like a Father to Daniel. (Billy Smith has not SEEN Daniel since 1989) I am not sure how HKS could "give Anna" drugs, either. According to the nurses who cared for her 24/7, Anna controlled her own meds. The whole thing is sad and I am glad she is finally at peace.

[strandinthewind]

So Anna's feelings about her Mom should not be taken into consideration? Drugs do not make someone hate their Mother. People still have feelings and real emotions on drugs. We cannot dismiss ANS's feelings about Vergie, because she "took drugs". Vergie uses that excuse all the time "my daughter only hates me cause she's on drugs". That makes NO sense. Anna did not want her child around Vergie...that is good enough for me. Anna has always been a tortured soul...stuff like that usually is rooted in childhood. ANS's first rehab was in 1994...long before she met Howard. Howard also does not strike me as a murderer....enabler, yes. He was like a Father to Daniel. (Billy Smith has not SEEN Daniel since 1989) I am not sure how HKS could "give Anna" drugs, either. According to the nurses who cared for her 24/7, Anna controlled her own meds. The whole thing is sad and I am glad she is finally at peace.


Not only that - but ANS was at odds with her mother way before HKS :shrug: and ANS told many of her friends throughout the years that she did not like her mother, etc. So, ANS was true here.

[gldstwmn]

In reality, that is what drives them all, including Anna. I don't believe she loved J Howard Marshall. She loved the lifestyle.

Well honey, not to be harsh but he liked those kind of women. It was part of the trade off. He was a nice looking man when he was younger. I bet lots of girls went on a trip to Cartier with him, if you get my drift. His last mistress (before Anna) was a former stripper named Lady Walker, another piece of work. And when it comes down to it, how much would it cost to get you (or anybody for that matter) to give the old guy a blow job or bang him, (if that was even possible)?

[gldstwmn]

Now Daniel's father, the former fry cook at the chicken shack in Mexia, Texas who knocked Vickie Lynn uo and has not seen his son in like 18 years, is seeking to move Daniel's remains to Texas :eek:

He also mumbled something in an interivew that I heard with him that he doesn't work. When asked what type of work he does when he does work, he couldn't answer that one either.

[GiniLeaE]

<center>http://www.nydailynews.com (http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2007/03/23/2007-03-23_sleep_drug_killed_anna_2_mags_say.html)

Do you think it was the B-12 injections that they allegedly saw in her fridge post mortem?????
Or something more potent and illegal....

Sleep drug killed Anna, 2 mags say

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Friday, March 23rd 2007, 4:00 AM
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Anna Nicole Smith died of a lethal level of a potent sleep medication, but she had a raging blood infection that could have killed her had she not overdosed, an exclusive report revealed yesterday.

Smith took the speedy sleep-inducer chloral hydrate, which is sometimes used in "date rape" drugs, the night of Feb. 7 and never woke up, according to a joint investigation by sister publications the National Enquirer and the Star.

In its most stunning disclosure, the report says Smith's life might have been saved had she simply gone to a hospital rather than treating her severe fever, nausea and other infection symptoms on her own.

Smith's lawyer pal Howard K. Stern, a bodyguard and a nurse were with her in the days and hours leading up to her death.

The magazines' report comes days before Broward County Medical Examiner Dr. Joshua Perper is set to reveal his official findings about what killed the 39-year-old ex-model, who died Feb. 8 at a Florida hotel.

Smith's infection, which drove her temperature to a staggering 105 degrees, was caused by an injection in her left buttock with a needle that apparently was not properly sterilized, according to the report, posted on the Enquirer and Star Web sites.

Tests did not reveal what substance had been injected into Smith three days before she died, but a painful abscess developed, the report said.</center>

[ELIUD]

So she died of an overdose of sleep medication, but she was sick from the infection caused by the injection of another substance through a dirty needle?

So does this clear Howard from any responsibility for her death?

[michelle2677]

I still want to know who her baby daddy is....

[estranged4life]

So she had septis (Which explains the high temp)...

Interesting.

[DrummerDeanna]

Smith's infection, which drove her temperature to a staggering 105 degrees, was caused by an injection in her left buttock with a needle that apparently was not properly sterilized, according to the report, posted on the Enquirer and Star Web sites.


That happened to a professor of mine in college - he got an injection, but the needle was not properly sterilized - and he died within two days - it was awful and no one knew what had happened...and he was in perfect health otherwise...so that can definitely be a killer.

[michelle2677]

O.k. I have a stupid question.


who the hell reuses needles?? I thought they were disposable?? :shrug:

ours are, at least.

[DrummerDeanna]

O.k. I have a stupid question.


who the hell reuses needles?? I thought they were disposable?? :shrug:

ours are, at least.

I can only speak from my professor's instance - he was in Africa at the time and had injured his back, so he got a steroid shot before boarding a 30+ hour flight....he'd been there so many times...I guess he thought nothing of it - and probably didn't know the needle was dirty...

ANS? She was in the U-S so I can't imagine why a dirty needle would be used :shrug:

[skcin]

O.k. I have a stupid question.


who the hell reuses needles?? I thought they were disposable?? :shrug:

ours are, at least.



They are. But some people who self inject re-use needles, esp. diabetics. The clean them off with alcohol before the re-inject. But it's usually because they can't afford more needles - damned if I know why Anna would need to re-use them. :shrug:

BTW - report that 1 MD prescribed all of those meds. :shocked: Bye-bye medical license.

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=257204&GT1=7703

[BTFLCHLD]

BTW - report that 1 MD prescribed all of those meds. :shocked: Bye-bye medical license.

11 sedatives!! in HKS's name! 600 pills missing from prescripts in the five weeks from the time they were issued.