Is it just me?

[Jyqm]

Given all this hub-bub over a potential "private Stevie party/concert" in the Nicks forum, I begin to wonder:

Am I the only one here who simply would never go to such an event? Regardless of whether or not it's Stevie Nicks or the pope or Jimi Hendrix back from the dead, or whether I got to hand-pick the setlist, or whether I got to shake her hand or have her sign my ass... I just don't think I would ever even want to go to this kind of event, particularly at such a cost ($350 is the price being quoted for this particular Stevie party idea).

Is there anybody else who's just kind of scratching their head in amazement at this?

[bikerchic]

Given all this hub-bub over a potential "private Stevie party/concert" in the Nicks forum, I begin to wonder:

Am I the only one here who simply would never go to such an event? Regardless of whether or not it's Stevie Nicks or the pope or Jimi Hendrix back from the dead, or whether I got to hand-pick the setlist, or whether I got to shake her hand or have her sign my ass... I just don't think I would ever even want to go to this kind of event, particularly at such a cost ($350 is the price being quoted for this particular Stevie party idea).

Is there anybody else who's just kind of scratching their head in amazement at this?
No. I think it's just you :laugh: People need to do what makes them happy and if this is it, then go for it! I'm seriously considering it.

[estranged4life]

Given all this hub-bub over a potential "private Stevie party/concert" in the Nicks forum, I begin to wonder:

Am I the only one here who simply would never go to such an event? Regardless of whether or not it's Stevie Nicks or the pope or Jimi Hendrix back from the dead, or whether I got to hand-pick the setlist, or whether I got to shake her hand or have her sign my ass... I just don't think I would ever even want to go to this kind of event, particularly at such a cost ($350 is the price being quoted for this particular Stevie party idea).

Is there anybody else who's just kind of scratching their head in amazement at this?

I couldnt bring myself to attend any event such as the "private Stevie party/concert". Even if they are able to pull this off, I still wouldnt want to attend.

The days of spending over $100 for any concert event has ended for this boy, Once the chances of a full blown Pink Floyd reunion were killed there went the chance to spend $$$ for a show. Will I see Fleetwood Mac/Stevie Nicks/whoever related to FM solo-wise in person in the future? Maybe, Depends if any Ledgies attend and if I could find a decent ticket for about $65 maximum price...Otherwise I would probably "mail it in" and wait for the bootlegs (ala Stevie Nicks Dallas 2005 show)

So as I said, you're not the only one.

[Jyqm]

I couldnt bring myself to attend any event such as the "private Stevie party/concert". Even if they are able to pull this off, I still wouldnt want to attend.

The days of spending over $100 for any concert event has ended for this boy, Once the chances of a full blown Pink Floyd reunion were killed there went the chance to spend $$$ for a show. Will I see Fleetwood Mac/Stevie Nicks/whoever related to FM solo-wise in person in the future? Maybe, Depends if any Ledgies attend and if I could find a decent ticket for about $65 maximum price...Otherwise I would probably "mail it in" and wait for the bootlegs (ala Stevie Nicks Dallas 2005 show)

So as I said, you're not the only one.

We've got about the same price cut-offs, Brian. I'm sure in several years as the price of everything keeps going up, I'll eventually end up paying $100 for some concert or other, but at the moment, no way.

$65-75 is about my Fleetwood Mac cut-off, too. Fortunately, I got to attend the Milwaukee Summerfest show on the Say You Will tour, and a lawn seat for that was quite cheap, well under $50, if I remember. Of course, the lawn was packed and I was way out in the back, but I don't especially care about watching Lindsey and Stevie's choreographed hugs and such, so it worked out rather nicely.

[irishgrl]

tsk tsk Jyqm, such a cynic :rolleyes:

[estranged4life]

We've got about the same price cut-offs, Brian. I'm sure in several years as the price of everything keeps going up, I'll eventually end up paying $100 for some concert or other, but at the moment, no way.

$65-75 is about my Fleetwood Mac cut-off, too. Fortunately, I got to attend the Milwaukee Summerfest show on the Say You Will tour, and a lawn seat for that was quite cheap, well under $50, if I remember. Of course, the lawn was packed and I was way out in the back, but I don't especially care about watching Lindsey and Stevie's choreographed hugs and such, so it worked out rather nicely.

Paul McCartney, The Rolling Stones/Ryan Adams & Keith Urban all for under $62.50 a ticket with each having a great seat (Keith Urban was $31 a ticket through Deb's fanclub membership in the KU fanclub) but Fleetwood Mac was ticket prices of $125, $75 & $80 (The $75 was a ticket a Ledgie was selling on eBay, Still a great seat near the stage). The $125 ticket was worth it to me at that time, Since it was FM's first trip back to OK in over 20+ years...but would I do that now, realistically "No".

But nowadays with our family medical costs (After receiving my MRI results yesterday it will get much worse before it gets better) I cannot afford to see any shows out of state as I did in the past, nor can I afford any tickets over my $65 price limit. I attend most shows by myself, There has only been 4 concerts where both Deb & myslef have attended: Keith Urban Sept.2001 ($7 ticket-We sat front row), Paul McCartney Oct.2002, Tim McGraw 2003 (Free tickets) & Keith Urban March 10,2005. Deb was more into those shows than me excluding the McCartney show since I am the Beatles freak in this family (She's a country gal).


Hell, Been to so many concerts in my life that the live in concert stigma has won off to me. Only band I would like to see now is Pink Floyd, but realistically that wont be happening anytime soon...However I would still like to see Nevermore, In Flames & Evergrey on May 25 in Tulsa (Cain's Ballroom-The best concert venue is the USofA. I mean they have EVERYONE from every style of music playing there nowadays), But with this cyst in my brain, If I were to hardcore headbang I could rupture it and hemorrage, So I will sadly pass on that show (Which sucks cause I dig Nevermore!!!)

[amber]

If I were rich, or even middle class (:laugh: ) I'd go to all kinds of stupid sh*t. No, that's not true. But I would go to this thing. I mean, if I don't care about the money, why not go? If I didn't have to think about money at all, it would be just another random lark with my favorite singer, another excuse to spend mounds of my theoretical cash on something frivolous and adventuresome.

However, at my current rate of earnage, I would "never" go.

But there are other things I would "never" do. For instance, amassing collections of DVD's. I'm not going to watch them again, and I don't understand why people do. With a few exceptions, of course - there are a few movies I've watched more than once.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I would if it were say...

Liza Minnelli
Mariah Carey
Amy Grant
Faith Hill
Liz Phair


But for Stevie.. eh..

[Richard B]

Had it been Stevie Nicks say 1981-1983, I'd go and I'd pay $1,000. As it is now, no way. I also find it rude that people expect to create her set list. It's fun to dream I guess, but damn, Stevie is gonna sing whatever she wants. Besides I have had enough Stevie encounters that do not make this very exciting, not to mention my disdain for Las Vegas.

For instance, amassing collections of DVD's. I'm not going to watch them again, and I don't understand why people do.

I have a huge DVD collection. Like my books, it's nice to have on hand when friends wish to view. Also, I'm in the film industry so when I watch a film I look at many different aspects of the film: acting, directing, writing, lighting, sound, etc. So it goes deeper for me when I view a film, even repeatedly.

Sometimes it's just for a feeling. Certain films can lift my sprirts, make me think about things. I also re-read books, I listen to CD's repeatedly. Same differences really.

[David]

Am I the only one here who simply would never go to such an event? Regardless of whether or not it's Stevie Nicks or the pope or Jimi Hendrix back from the dead, or whether I got to hand-pick the setlist, or whether I got to shake her hand or have her sign my ass... I just don't think I would ever even want to go to this kind of event, particularly at such a cost ($350 is the price being quoted for this particular Stevie party idea).If it were the wild heart tour, I'd be all over it.

My mind don't boggle at the $350 cost either -- oh my god, considering what I spent on tours like the tusk & mirage tours as well as the wild heart & rock a little. I kept my broker in champagne & caviar in those days.

[amber]

Had it been Stevie Nicks say 1981-1983, I'd go and I'd pay $1,000. As it is now, no way. I also find it rude that people expect to create her set list. It's fun to dream I guess, but damn, Stevie is gonna sing whatever she wants. Besides I have had enough Stevie encounters that do not make this very exciting, not to mention my disdain for Las Vegas.



I have a huge DVD collection. Like my books, it's nice to have on hand when friends wish to view. Also, I'm in the film industry so when I watch a film I look at many different aspects of the film: acting, directing, writing, lighting, sound, etc. So it goes deeper for me when I view a film, even repeatedly.

Sometimes it's just for a feeling. Certain films can lift my sprirts, make me think about things. I also re-read books, I listen to CD's repeatedly. Same differences really.

That makes sense, I guess. I have a lot of books, and I do read them again. So, since i do that, I guess I'm obligated to understand why people watch movies over and over. What with your "I'm in the industry" thing it makes even more sense. Also, I guess I don't really view films with my friends much. Also, I like to spend money on things to eat and wear and decorate with. :laugh:

[trackaghost]

Given all this hub-bub over a potential "private Stevie party/concert" in the Nicks forum, I begin to wonder:

Am I the only one here who simply would never go to such an event? Regardless of whether or not it's Stevie Nicks or the pope or Jimi Hendrix back from the dead, or whether I got to hand-pick the setlist, or whether I got to shake her hand or have her sign my ass... I just don't think I would ever even want to go to this kind of event, particularly at such a cost ($350 is the price being quoted for this particular Stevie party idea).

Is there anybody else who's just kind of scratching their head in amazement at this?

If Stevie announced a London date at, say, the Shepherd's Bush Empire, I would definitely pay $350 (about £190) for that, although I've never paid that much for a gig. But I do know kinda what you mean. The meet and greet stuff and the whole 'we can get Stevie to play what we want' is a bit over the top. I don't know, If I were Stevie I personally wouldn't want to do it. Meeting a few fans at a charity bash or after a show is one thing. Being expected to meet everyone in a Stevie-obsessed audience is another.
I'm not sure I like the idea that she's for hire either, like a wedding band or a party clown...

[Jyqm]

tsk tsk Jyqm, such a cynic

I'm not being cynical, I'm just being cheap! Also, the whole thing is just very far away from the way I relate to music/performers.

But there are other things I would "never" do. For instance, amassing collections of DVD's. I'm not going to watch them again, and I don't understand why people do. With a few exceptions, of course - there are a few movies I've watched more than once.

I don't think I'll amass a huge collection of movie DVDs, although television shows and concerts are another animal. Those are things I would watch enough repeatedly to justify owning DVDs.

That said, while I doubt I'll ever own tons of movies on DVD, it sure is nice to have friends who do...

I also find it rude that people expect to create her set list. It's fun to dream I guess, but damn, Stevie is gonna sing whatever she wants.

I find the commodification aspect of this whole thing so fascinating! It's like everybody wants to purchase Stevie for a day and set her up in the corner and make her do certain things. "Make sure she sings 'Bella Donna!' Also she should twirl at least ten times, and I want to shake her hand and have her tell me how much she appreciates that I'm such a big fan!" She's not even a person, she's this mystical relic that everybody just wants to be in the same room with for a couple of hours. It's so interesting. Celebrity worship just intrigues the hell out of me.

I'm not sure I like the idea that she's for hire either, like a wedding band or a party clown...

But a party clown that everyone worships!

(I agree with you, though, if I were Stevie, I wouldn't go anywhere near this kind of thing. Actually, I think I'd feel kind of ashamed to do it.)

[amber]

I don't understand the big diff of who books her for a concert. :confused: Either way she's getting paid, and either way she's singing for people. It's still just a concert, I don't really get the thing of being a party clown, or whatever. I mean, we already know that if you have enough money to book her, she'll play a concert. And isn't that how it always is? At least in this case she'll be playing for uber fans. A professional arena booker has to fulfill the same requirements to book Stevie as a regular person does, I would think.
Also, people always complain about her setlist, of course they will do the same here, and wish for more variety. If someone actually thinks they can control her setlist, that's another story, but no harm in talking about her mixing it up. It's not like Stevie has to do what anyone says.
Commodification? Well, people pay to hear her sing, so she is a commodity. At least her singing is. That's mainly what I care about.

[Jyqm]

I don't understand the big diff of who books her for a concert. :confused: Either way she's getting paid, and either way she's singing for people. It's still just a concert, I don't really get the thing of being a party clown, or whatever. I mean, we already know that if you have enough money to book her, she'll play a concert. And isn't that how it always is?

How it always is for Stevie, or how it always is, period? There are lots of artists who don't play private or corporate gigs.

[amber]

How it always is for Stevie, or how it always is, period? There are lots of artists who don't play private or corporate gigs.
Well...Stevie. And a lot of other performers. Who books for artists who don't play private or corporate gigs? Where do they play? I mean, if they randomly play at some small club, that is still a booking, someone had to set it up. There are still fans at the venue who want to hear that person play.
Also, as far as this thing goes, with the number of tickets being offered, it is like a regular concert. There is no meet and greet.
I just don't have that snobbishness of where people play, or whatever. Stevie likes to sing, she likes to get paid for it - singing is her job.

[Jyqm]

Well...Stevie. And a lot of other performers. Who books for artists who don't play private or corporate gigs? Where do they play? I mean, if they randomly play at some small club, that is still a booking, someone had to set it up. There are still fans at the venue who want to hear that person play.

Well, with most "regular" (that is, non-private, non-corporate) gigs, artists book themselves. It's not a like a venue just calls up an artist and says, "Hey, will you play a show here?" The artist decides that they're going to tour, and then they book dates and venues based on what's available and what they want.

In a corporate gig, the power roles are reversed. The corporation says, "Hey, we'll pay you this much money, come do what we want," and the artist says, "Okay." It's just a question of how much control you have over your art and how you're "distributing" it.

I just don't have that snobbishness of where people play, or whatever.

You sure "snobbishness" is the right word for people who are somewhat put off by the idea of people paying hundreds of dollars to go to a private Stevie event?

[amber]

Well, with most "regular" (that is, non-private, non-corporate) gigs, artists book themselves. It's not a like a venue just calls up an artist and says, "Hey, will you play a show here?" The artist decides that they're going to tour, and then they book dates and venues based on what's available and what they want.

In a corporate gig, the power roles are reversed. The corporation says, "Hey, we'll pay you this much money, come do what we want," and the artist says, "Okay." It's just a question of how much control you have over your art and how you're "distributing" it.

Yeah, I see what the difference is now. But I don't get the big deal. Also, doesn't the venue in the "regular" gig scenario still have to want the band to play?
I just assumed with the whole corporate gig thing, that Stevie, or other artists, would still have the freedom to say they didn't want to do it. Also, even when Stevie played that party, she didn't have to do what they wanted, specifically with her setlist, did she? Or on the SYW tour? :shrug:
Am I wrong? So in that way the corporate/private gig doesn't have control over the artist.
I worked for this smallish bar/restaurant who has live music every night, their downstairs is a "club" area. But we had a booking agent, and acts would send him...demos, I guess, or finished CD's or whatever, and then he would decide and try to book them.


You sure "snobbishness" is the right word for people who are somewhat put off by the idea of people paying hundreds of dollars to go to a private Stevie event?

No, I was referring to people caring specifically about where artists play, like some venues/situations are not good enough for the artist. Not the cost of going to a private event. :)

[Serrart]

Given all this hub-bub over a potential "private Stevie party/concert" in the Nicks forum, I begin to wonder:

Am I the only one here who simply would never go to such an event? Regardless of whether or not it's Stevie Nicks or the pope or Jimi Hendrix back from the dead, or whether I got to hand-pick the setlist, or whether I got to shake her hand or have her sign my ass... I just don't think I would ever even want to go to this kind of event, particularly at such a cost ($350 is the price being quoted for this particular Stevie party idea).

Is there anybody else who's just kind of scratching their head in amazement at this?

If I wasn't on another continent, I'd go in a flash. :nod:

Romy

[DrummerDeanna]

Nah - as much as I love Stevie I'd never pay that much money to go to something like that. There are several reasons. It seems that (and I'm not talking about the majority of the people here ;) ) that a lot of the crazies come out....

And there are a lot of crazies...in fact my first thought upon seeing the private party thing was, "oh that poor woman...does she know what she's getting herself into?"

And I wouldn't want to meet Stevie for a split second while there are bunches of other crazed fans around.

Plus I have this ideal of who/what Stevie is in my head. It's almost guaranteed not to be accurate as it's put together on what she portrays in public -and well, I don't want that image/ideal messed with.

AND with my luck I'd catch her on the ****tiest day of her life and she'd be a complete bear and I'd be crushed. I've already been front-row-hand-shake-snubbed by Stevie twice...I don't need to be snubbed after paying upwards of 300 bucks :o

[Johnny Stew]

I would if it were....Wow, you didn't even say you would if it were Christine McVie! :shocked:

[Red]

Yeah I can't do it, I'm travelling too much this year, just bought a condo a few months ago, saw Stevie in Vegas last year, know I'll be seeing a couple FM 2007 shows AND I'm still holding out for a solo Lindsey tour. If it wasn't for all that, I'd SO be there.:laugh:

[Jyqm]

Yeah, I see what the difference is now. But I don't get the big deal. Also, doesn't the venue in the "regular" gig scenario still have to want the band to play?

Well, the venue has to allow the band to play. There's no question that any venue wants to have people performing or doing something there. That's how they make money. It's just a question of whether the space is available when the artist is.

I just assumed with the whole corporate gig thing, that Stevie, or other artists, would still have the freedom to say they didn't want to do it.

Well of course, nobody has to accept the big wad of cash thrown at them to play a private party.

Also, even when Stevie played that party, she didn't have to do what they wanted, specifically with her setlist, did she? Or on the SYW tour? :shrug:
Am I wrong? So in that way the corporate/private gig doesn't have control over the artist.

Well, I doubt any corporation would feel the need to tell Stevie what to play. She's already going to play everything they want to hear without them asking her to. But when you're being hired by someone to perform a show for them and they're throwing around big cash, you do what they want. I don't doubt that many corporate booking agents remind the people they hire to play their hits.

I worked for this smallish bar/restaurant who has live music every night, their downstairs is a "club" area. But we had a booking agent, and acts would send him...demos, I guess, or finished CD's or whatever, and then he would decide and try to book them.

Sure, and these are a bunch of no-name local bands nobody's ever heard of, right? That's just how it has to go most of the time when you're starting out, that's what you have to do, you're trying to sell yourself, trying to get to a point where you don't have to sell yourself anymore, where you've got the money and the power to do what you want, to play the music that you want, to make the art that you want. Assuming that the art of it is what's most important to you, anyway. With Stevie that doesn't necessarily seem to be the case these days. She's still selling herself, because she thinks she'll make too little money or become less famous if she doesn't.

No, I was referring to people caring specifically about where artists play, like some venues/situations are not good enough for the artist. Not the cost of going to a private event. :)

Gotcha. Although I don't think the concern is that a private party "isn't good enough" for Stevie, but rather that it's a little strange the way some people seem to be viewing her as a commodity to be bought and told what to do, and treating her as a party clown in that respect.

But as far playing corporate gigs and such, I'll say that I think an artist is as good and as respectable as the ways that they choose to showcase their art. I have more respect for a musician who doesn't play corporate events, because it shows that they have more respect for their art as art, as opposed to commerce, and for themselves as an artist, as opposed to a commodity. And of course art and commerce are always intertwined in this world, but it's a spectrum, and some people keep their art more beholden to commerce than others.

[Johnny Stew]

But as far playing corporate gigs and such, I'll say that I think an artist is as good and as respectable as the ways that they choose to showcase their art. I have more respect for a musician who doesn't play corporate events, because it shows that they have more respect for their art as art, as opposed to commerce, and for themselves as an artist, as opposed to a commodity. And of course art and commerce are always intertwined in this world, but it's a spectrum, and some people keep their art more beholden to commerce than others.I think Stevie just wants to work, period. I can't remember if it was Mick or Sharon (or Dick Van Patten), but someone said that when Stevie isn't working, she feels worthless.

I'm sure that, to her, a gig is a gig, and as long as people are enjoying the show it doesn't matter if they're diehard fans or businessmen.

[irishgrl]

I'm not being cynical, I'm just being cheap!
aaaahhhhh thats different! cheap, I understand! I cant afford todays concert prices either! for that matter, I couldnt afford YESTERDAY'S concert prices!

[irishgrl]

Stewie, General Zod, that sounds familiar....what movie is that from? wasnt it a futuristic kind of movie? (GAD! experiencing brain farts!) I seem to recall the movie trailer showing a spiked metal ball traveling along in mid-air without any help onward toward an unknown destination.....sorry thats all I recall, but I could be WAAAAY off here)

Edit: I AM way off, I just did a search and Zod is from Superman. Ok.
but now I want to know what movie it was that had that damn spiked ball zooming thru the air toward a distant target...???

[David]

Although I don't think the concern is that a private party "isn't good enough" for Stevie, but rather that it's a little strange the way some people seem to be viewing her as a commodity to be bought and told what to do, and treating her as a party clown in that respect.It seems a little weird for fans to be able to "summon up" Stevie so that she appears at their bidding. It seems un-Stevielike. She is too mysterious, too mystical--she rules her life like a bird in flight, after all--to be "summoned" by any party but Clear Channel or Bill Clinton.

That's what's weird about it. The mystique of Stevie, the allure of Stevie are deflated when a bunch of fans can just throw down some cash & make her appear in person. :eek:

It's weird, man .... it's weird ....

[sparky]

That's what's weird about it. The mystique of Stevie, the allure of Stevie are deflated when a bunch of fans can just throw down some cash & make her appear in person. :eek:

It's weird, man .... it's weird ....

Get on the phone, make an order, pay, and get the goods.

She's like pizza.

Except she won't be delivered to your door in 20 minutes, and the best you can count on is side door delivery. That is, if you have the proper performance space in your house.

[dissention]

Am I the only one here who simply would never go to such an event?

No. It's a waste of money to me and no different than seeing a performer on tour other than the higher price tag involved. Wow, she's going to be in a smaller room. Big whoop. That $350 is a third of my rent. Why would I want to pay that much to see anyone, especially someone who tours constantly with the same damned show? Granted, I'm not nearly the fan I used to be, but even if I still was, I wouldn't hesitate to laugh at the idea of dropping that kind of steak for one measly concert.

[amber]

I see your points. I think I have a different take on what you call commodification. I think of it in a less negative connotation in regards to Stevie. I think of it more literally - her voice is a commodity, meaning it is how she makes her money, and the same for all artists.
I see your point about how artists can choose who to work for and that some artists choose who they play for in ways that meet your particular standards, perhaps ways that you perceive to have more integrity. I get that. I don't like to see people I like playing fairs, and like that. But I rarely think the worse of the artist to the degree that you seem to. I try to find out the circumstances of why they are doing that, and I usually see the point - they need the money.
With artists that seem to have enough money, my judgment of them "cheapening" their work does get more stringent.

Then there is the other factor:
I think Stevie loves to sing, has Stevie ever stopped working? Not really. and copy here what Johnny Stew said in his post.

And I think the fact that Stevie likes to work, combined with a mid size fan only event (who wouldn't want to play in front of a bunch of people who are very passionate about their work? In fact, it is everything a performer does want. Am I wrong? ) combined with meeting her contractual fee, which is hardly venue slumming level, or creative freedom constricting - It's a recipe for the OPPOSITE OF A DISASTER! :laugh:

My biggest boo hoo hoo is would that she would grab hold of her opportunity for creative freedom. If she ever had the biggest, fattest, juiciest, hanging change up pitch right up the middle to hit out of the fricking park, this is it.
and that, my friends -

THAT -

would make or break an on the fence financial decision for me (theoretically).
But I'd definitely urge everyone who could to buy the initial ticket if they can - then you can just decide later if it will be worth the airfair and accomodations. It's very simple, really. :woohoo:

And who knows, maybe the lady will swing at this one. :cool:

[chiliD]

I would...if the stipulation was that she couldn't sing any song that she's already sung in the past...all new material or new covers she's not sung in public. Now THAT would make it a "special" show.

But, kudos to those who apparently have "made it happen".

[seeker007nmss]

Nah - as much as I love Stevie I'd never pay that much money to go to something like that. There are several reasons. It seems that (and I'm not talking about the majority of the people here ;) ) that a lot of the crazies come out....

And there are a lot of crazies...in fact my first thought upon seeing the private party thing was, "oh that poor woman...does she know what she's getting herself into?"

And I wouldn't want to meet Stevie for a split second while there are bunches of other crazed fans around.

Plus I have this ideal of who/what Stevie is in my head. It's almost guaranteed not to be accurate as it's put together on what she portrays in public -and well, I don't want that image/ideal messed with.

AND with my luck I'd catch her on the ****tiest day of her life and she'd be a complete bear and I'd be crushed. I've already been front-row-hand-shake-snubbed by Stevie twice...I don't need to be snubbed after paying upwards of 300 bucks :o


I agree, and with the seating arrangements I get the image of a certain WHO concert from a few years back. :shocked:

[Jyqm]

I see your points. I think I have a different take on what you call commodification. I think of it in a less negative connotation in regards to Stevie. I think of it more literally - her voice is a commodity, meaning it is how she makes her money, and the same for all artists.

I agree completely, obviously the work that any performer creates, along with their talents in performing it, is a commodity that they hope to make money from. But come on. What's being commodified here is not Stevie's voice. The idea for this kind of party does not spring from a desire simply to hear Stevie's voice or songs.

How many people responded immediately to the suggestion of this party with, "Will there be a meet & greet?!?!?!"

I see your point about how artists can choose who to work for and that some artists choose who they play for in ways that meet your particular standards, perhaps ways that you perceive to have more integrity. I get that. I don't like to see people I like playing fairs, and like that. But I rarely think the worse of the artist to the degree that you seem to.

To be clear, I don't think worse of artists who do this kind of thing. I just think better of those who choose not to. That may seem like semantics, but it's not like I think Stevie is some horrible person for playing corporate gigs. She can do what she wants, of course. But what she does does say something about the way she views her art and herself as an artist, and I simply have more respect for people who take a different path. But having more respect for those people doesn't mean I have less respect for Stevie. Does that make sense?

I try to find out the circumstances of why they are doing that, and I usually see the point - they need the money.

I agree, and I always understand that... but do you really think Stevie "needs the money?" From all accounts, she lives pretty extravagantly.

(who wouldn't want to play in front of a bunch of people who are very passionate about their work? In fact, it is everything a performer does want. Am I wrong? )

I don't know, man, have you seen some of these Stevie fans?

My biggest boo hoo hoo is would that she would grab hold of her opportunity for creative freedom. If she ever had the biggest, fattest, juiciest, hanging change up pitch right up the middle to hit out of the fricking park, this is it.

My biggest boo hoo hoo, not to beat this dead horse again, is that she already has that opportunity for creative freedom. She's a popular rock star with millions of dollars and a big loyal fan base who will follow her to the ends of the earth no matter what. And yet, as I said before, she's still trying to sell herself. Because she thinks that she needs to sell out arenas, and she thinks that the only way she can do that is by playing the same hits over and over again, because otherwise that guy in the fifteenth row with the pretzel in his hand and the beer belly straining against his Pat Benatar T-shirt who only knows the words "Rhiannon" and "ooh baby ooh said ooh" might not show up next time.

I know I always use Bruce Springsteen as an example against Stevie/Fleetwood Mac, but, well: Look at Springsteen this year. He's on the road with friggin' jug band, touring behind an album of old folk and gospel songs. Why? Because he can! Because he feels like it! Why not! He can do whatever he wants, he's still got enough loyal fans who will hop along for the ride, and he's still got millions of dollars. And so does Stevie. If Springsteen can fill sheds doing grade school sing-a-longs of "Old Dan Tucker" and "Jacob's Ladder," I'm pretty Stevie could pack 'em playing "Bella Donna" or "Storms" or whatever else.

Personally, I think if Stevie uses the opportunity of this fan party to play a bunch of great songs that she'll never do again at a "real" concert, I'll be pretty turned off, maybe even disgusted. To me, that says: "Sorry, dedicated fans who have been supporting my career for decades. I know that I tour all the time at kinda-sorta reasonable prices, and I know that you go to all of those shows hoping I'll throw out some surprises for you, but tough ****. You wanna hear the good stuff, you gotta pony up the big bucks, and we'll go into this little back room where the rest of the world won't hear, and it'll be just for you, extra special. $350 extra special." And I know, most of you don't care, Stevie's demographic is one that isn't really turned off by the subtext of such things, you've got the money, if she won't deliver the goods at a normal concert, why not just buy her for an evening and pull the strings yourselves with your wallets. And that's fine, really, if this event comes off, and Stevie comes and plays a bunch of obscure chestnuts, I sincerely hope you all have a really wonderful time and really enjoy yourselves. But I think that kinda sucks. I think that kinda sucks a lot.

[GODDESS6]

don't think they'll (7 wonders) pull it off, & i wouldn't go~ 350.00 for them to determine where i sit...i don't think so, this girl wrks hard for her money & tho i am not above spending, matter of fact i love spending it... hell you can't take it w/ ya~ but because of where this all derived from ( & i don't mean the ledge, i LUV you guys), count me out~

[gldstwmn]

Also, doesn't the venue in the "regular" gig scenario still have to want the band to play?


Yes. That's what the talent buyers are for.

[amber]

I agree completely, obviously the work that any performer creates, along with their talents in performing it, is a commodity that they hope to make money from. But come on. What's being commodified here is not Stevie's voice. The idea for this kind of party does not spring from a desire simply to hear Stevie's voice or songs.

How many people responded immediately to the suggestion of this party with, "Will there be a meet & greet?!?!?!"



To be clear, I don't think worse of artists who do this kind of thing. I just think better of those who choose not to. That may seem like semantics, but it's not like I think Stevie is some horrible person for playing corporate gigs. She can do what she wants, of course. But what she does does say something about the way she views her art and herself as an artist, and I simply have more respect for people who take a different path. But having more respect for those people doesn't mean I have less respect for Stevie. Does that make sense?



I agree, and I always understand that... but do you really think Stevie "needs the money?" From all accounts, she lives pretty extravagantly.



I don't know, man, have you seen some of these Stevie fans?



My biggest boo hoo hoo, not to beat this dead horse again, is that she already has that opportunity for creative freedom. She's a popular rock star with millions of dollars and a big loyal fan base who will follow her to the ends of the earth no matter what. And yet, as I said before, she's still trying to sell herself. Because she thinks that she needs to sell out arenas, and she thinks that the only way she can do that is by playing the same hits over and over again, because otherwise that guy in the fifteenth row with the pretzel in his hand and the beer belly straining against his Pat Benatar T-shirt who only knows the words "Rhiannon" and "ooh baby ooh said ooh" might not show up next time.

I know I always use Bruce Springsteen as an example against Stevie/Fleetwood Mac, but, well: Look at Springsteen this year. He's on the road with friggin' jug band, touring behind an album of old folk and gospel songs. Why? Because he can! Because he feels like it! Why not! He can do whatever he wants, he's still got enough loyal fans who will hop along for the ride, and he's still got millions of dollars. And so does Stevie. If Springsteen can fill sheds doing grade school sing-a-longs of "Old Dan Tucker" and "Jacob's Ladder," I'm pretty Stevie could pack 'em playing "Bella Donna" or "Storms" or whatever else.

Personally, I think if Stevie uses the opportunity of this fan party to play a bunch of great songs that she'll never do again at a "real" concert, I'll be pretty turned off, maybe even disgusted. To me, that says: "Sorry, dedicated fans who have been supporting my career for decades. I know that I tour all the time at kinda-sorta reasonable prices, and I know that you go to all of those shows hoping I'll throw out some surprises for you, but tough ****. You wanna hear the good stuff, you gotta pony up the big bucks, and we'll go into this little back room where the rest of the world won't hear, and it'll be just for you, extra special. $350 extra special." And I know, most of you don't care, Stevie's demographic is one that isn't really turned off by the subtext of such things, you've got the money, if she won't deliver the goods at a normal concert, why not just buy her for an evening and pull the strings yourselves with your wallets. And that's fine, really, if this event comes off, and Stevie comes and plays a bunch of obscure chestnuts, I sincerely hope you all have a really wonderful time and really enjoy yourselves. But I think that kinda sucks. I think that kinda sucks a lot.

well, what can I say? Those are good points. I mean, I don't know Stevie's mindset for what she does.
As far as the "meet and greet" thing - I guess people did say that, but she does that at the AHI thing. Perhaps some people do think of her that way, and so I would see your point with that. Although I think they love her the same just for her music and performances, I guess it's just that natural thing of wanting to meet someone who means so much to you. Would I like a meet and greet with Stevie? Sure, but I don't really think of it because it seems impossible. I love Stevie's voice, I love to hear her sing. I've also had a lot of fun meeting other fans.
I couldn't say whether an idea for a party springs only from the desire to hear Stevie sing or not - Brian went forward with it knowing there would be no meet and greet. :shrug: People bought tickets knowing there would be no meet and greet. I'm a little leery of thinking I totally know other people's motivations.
I'm glad you don't respect Stevie less, but sometimes it really sounds like you do, honestly. But if you say you don't, I guess I have to take your word.

Yes, I have seen some of the fans. :laugh: Wherever I've been, most actually seem pretty normal. And then there are a few "others".:shocked: :laugh:

Also, Stevie does live extravagently, and perhaps supports a few more people? That's why I said "seems" to be wealthy. I hope she's got a buttload of money, but sometimes people who spend so extravagently have to keep it coming in. So although we think Stevie has oodles of cash to spare, that may not actually be the case. I'm just saying it's a possibility. Remember how Catherine Denueve is all bankrupt and has to do commercials and stuff?

[David]

I know I always use Bruce Springsteen as an example against Stevie/Fleetwood Mac, but, well: Look at Springsteen this year. He's on the road with friggin' jug band, touring behind an album of old folk and gospel songs. Why? Because he can! Because he feels like it! Why not! He can do whatever he wants, he's still got enough loyal fans who will hop along for the ride, and he's still got millions of dollars. And so does Stevie. If Springsteen can fill sheds doing grade school sing-a-longs of "Old Dan Tucker" and "Jacob's Ladder," I'm pretty Stevie could pack 'em playing "Bella Donna" or "Storms" or whatever else.really?? how cool! I'd like to see that. That's the sort of thing I wish fleetwood mac had been doing since the '80s: just being a sort of austin city limits folk act---or doing peter paul & mary-type shows.
And that's fine, really, if this event comes off, and Stevie comes and plays a bunch of obscure chestnuts, I sincerely hope you all have a really wonderful time and really enjoy yourselves. stevie doesn't have that kind of personality. I don't think the idea would even occur to her, or if it did, she would immediately dismiss it from her mind as being "unrealistic" or "impossible" or "suicidal."

[Jyqm]

really?? how cool! I'd like to see that. That's the sort of thing I wish fleetwood mac had been doing since the '80s: just being a sort of austin city limits folk act---or doing peter paul & mary-type shows.

He's playing a couple of dates in California, you should go! His show at the Greek in LA sold out, I believe, although I bet tickets will be available for cheap in the parking lot the day of the show. He's also playing the Concord Pavilion in San Francisco; those tickets go on sale tomorrow morning.

I hope he does play Austin City Limits, if he extends the tour into the latter half of the summer. This is music that really ought to be played at festivals and fairs. It's a shame he's not doing Bonnaroo. He closed out the first weekend of the New Orleans Jass & Heritage Festival last week, though, and the reviews were pretty raving. Apparently, he's just having a ton of fun doing this, hitting the road with an 18-piece band, all horns and violins and banjos and stuff, and hosting a two-hour hootenanny everywhere he goes.

[amber]

stevie doesn't have that kind of personality. I don't think the idea would even occur to her, or if it did, she would immediately dismiss it from her mind as being "unrealistic" or "impossible" or "suicidal."

Didn't she once have that kind of personality? Is it really impossible? Where's her inflated self esteem? Where's her diva sense of entitlement? Where's her "I am a Rock Star" chutzpah? Her Gemininian desire for infinite variety? That part of her personality that allowed her to compare herself to Bob Dylan?! That girl that flung herself around the stage singing "you're eyes got me dreamin'!" with not a care in the world? The girl who thought not a whit of excessive displays of personality and drug induced performance?
That's what we need now!
It's got to be in there somewhere!!!!!

[Jyqm]

I'm glad you don't respect Stevie less, but sometimes it really sounds like you do, honestly. But if you say you don't, I guess I have to take your word.

It's tough love - Stevie and the rest of them. I see that they still have the potential for greatness, and it pisses me off when they so often settle for mediocrity.

Didn't she once have that kind of personality? Is it really impossible? Where's her high self esteem? Where's her diva sense of entitlement? Where's her "I am a Rock Star" chutzpah? Her Gemininian desire for infinite variety? That part of her personality that allowed her to compare herself to Bob Dylan?! That girl that flung herself around the stage singing "you're eyes got me dreamin'!" with not a care in the world?
That's what we need now!
It's got to be in there somewhere!!!!!

All great questions. I have to admit, it really baffles me, which is why I often sound so frustrated with the woman. Where is that "I'm a rock star!" self-esteem and bravado?

I suppose that's the interesting flipside to the power trip. She feels like she's got this rock star clout and power, and now that she's got it and has had it for so long, she's deathly afraid of losing it. She wants to hold onto it at any cost, and that's why she's so timid and hesitant to take any risks whatsoever. (And before anybody even starts: No. A rock singer performing with a symphony orchestra is not a risk. It's practically a cliche.)

[amber]

It's tough love - Stevie and the rest of them. I see that they still have the potential for greatness, and it pisses me off when they so often settle for mediocrity.
Ah, but having said that, can you truly say you don't respect them less when they do settle for mediocrity? Cause, again, it sounds like you do. :laugh:

Oh, and good analysis of the Stevie mindset. It's so Norma Desmond/Baby Jane, I hate it.

[David]

Didn't she once have that kind of personality?I sometimes think the only moment she had such a springsteen-like personality was opening night of the bella donna tour on nov 29, 1981, in houston......when she was about to sing a set filled primarily with brand new material. I often wonder just how the hell she got herself emotionally & mentally to do that.

and let's not jump in with the facile excuse-making of "drugs" or "coke" -- she made a very conscious decision to launch a tour the vast majority of which was brand-new material. It's a real anomaly in stevie nicks history. i don't think people appreciate it for the utter bizarreness & unprecedentedness that it was.

So where is THAT stevie? hehhehheh.....

[David]

I hope he does play Austin City Limits, if he extends the tour into the latter half of the summer. This is music that really ought to be played at festivals and fairs. It's a shame he's not doing Bonnaroo.Is he doing Sweet Betsy From Pike, do you know?

Also, I'm looking for a live recording of springsteen doing "tears of a clown"-----do you knkow of any?

[amber]

I sometimes think the only moment she had such a springsteen-like personality was opening night of the bella donna tour on nov 29, 1981, in houston......when she was about to sing a set filled primarily with brand new material. I often wonder just how the hell she got herself emotionally & mentally to do that.

and let's not jump in with the facile excuse-making of "drugs" or "coke" -- she made a very conscious decision to launch a tour the vast majority of which was brand-new material. It's a real anomaly in stevie nicks history. i don't think people appreciate it for the utter bizarreness & unprecedentedness that it was.

So where is THAT stevie? hehhehheh.....

Well, aside from that, I was also referring to her previous tendency to sing with anyone, anywhere, anytime, and to make a bunch of stuff up on stage even with her old chestnuts. You know, she once took chances with her vocals as well as her song choice...
And not to resort to the facile, but coke is a self esteem inflating drug. Just saying.
And also, if she did "other" material now, it wouldn't really be "new" material, it would be old material that she just hasn't really done onstage, or at least not much. So it's not like she would be introducing the completely untried. :rolleyes:
yargh!

[Jyqm]

Ah, but having said that, can you truly say you don't respect them less when they do settle for mediocrity? Cause, again, it sounds like you do. :laugh:

No, it's not like I look down on them as bad or lesser people or something. It frustrates me when they settle for mediocrity, but that's their choice. They just get moved on the spectrum, a little further away from "artist" and a little closer to "band-for-hire." Me complaining about that isn't a lack of respect for them, it's just me being frustrated that I seem to be a hell of a lot more intrigued by the possibilities or their art and talent than they do. But there's plenty of room in the world for both artists and bands-for-hire, and neither group is necessarily more respectable than the other.

[David]

Well, aside from that, I was also referring to her previous tendency to sing with anyone, anywhere, anytime, and to make a bunch of stuff up on stage even with her old chestnuts. amber it was really cool at a certain point way back because stevie went to all her friends' concerts at clubs or wherever & "helped out."

I think when you get older you just get less freaky. That happens to all of us, doesn't it? I won't ride some rollercoasters nowadays that I used to ride when I was 17.

[amber]

amber it was really cool at a certain point way back because stevie went to all her friends' concerts at clubs or wherever & "helped out."

I think when you get older you just get less freaky. That happens to all of us, doesn't it? I won't ride some rollercoasters nowadays that I used to ride when I was 17.
I guess. Not with singing, though. I wouldn't consider changing a setlist or a vocal "freaky". :laugh:

[Jyqm]

Is he doing Sweet Betsy From Pike, do you know?

He's not. The songs he's played on this tour so far (and it's a very young tour, there's just been a handful of rehearsal shows, the New Orleans gig, and Dublin the other night): "Old Dan Tucker," "Jesse James," "Mrs. McGrath," O Mary Don't You Weep," "John Henry," "Erie Canal," "Jacob's Ladder," "My Oklahoma Home," "Eyes On The Prize," "Pay Me My Money Down," "We Shall Overcome," "Buffalo Gals," "How Can A Poor Man Stand Such Times And Live," "When The Saints Go Marching In," "Long Black Veil," and "The Daring Young Man On The Flying Trapeze." Along with a handful of his own songs.

Also, I'm looking for a live recording of springsteen doing "tears of a clown"-----do you knkow of any?

I don't believe he's ever performed it.

[Jyqm]

Well, aside from that, I was also referring to her previous tendency to sing with anyone, anywhere, anytime, and to make a bunch of stuff up on stage even with her old chestnuts. You know, she once took chances with her vocals as well as her song choice...

As far as vocals go, clearly at some point, somebody scared the **** out of her and told her that if she ever sang with passion or hit another high note, she'd have a brain hemorrhage and die. There's no question she could hit some of the notes that she's been avoiding the past views years, but some vocal coach must have convinced her that she shouldn't because it'll "ruin" her voice or some such nonsense.

[DavidMn]

Given all this hub-bub over a potential "private Stevie party/concert" in the Nicks forum, I begin to wonder:

Am I the only one here who simply would never go to such an event? Regardless of whether or not it's Stevie Nicks or the pope or Jimi Hendrix back from the dead, or whether I got to hand-pick the setlist, or whether I got to shake her hand or have her sign my ass... I just don't think I would ever even want to go to this kind of event, particularly at such a cost ($350 is the price being quoted for this particular Stevie party idea).

Is there anybody else who's just kind of scratching their head in amazement at this?I can sort of see where you're coming from Jim. Personally I would seriously think about going, but I'm geared more towards recovering financially for Fleetwood Mac in 2007.

[DavidMn]

hell you can't take it w/ ya~Aint that the truth. I sure have learned that over the last 3 years.:laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

I suppose that's the interesting flipside to the power trip. She feels like she's got this rock star clout and power, and now that she's got it and has had it for so long, she's deathly afraid of losing it. She wants to hold onto it at any cost, and that's why she's so timid and hesitant to take any risks whatsoever.Again, I'm not entirely convinced that that's what it is. And maybe I'm wrong, and you're right -- but I really get the feeling that she's terribly insecure of people losing interest in HER, not in losing any kind of "clout."
She's found her "comfort-zone" and stays there (and really I'm not one to criticize anyone for having their comfort zone). Which, of course, seems to piss some fans off to no end, but many, many others are content because they're still getting to hear their favorite songs.

I think Stevie gave us the biggest clue of all to her fears, during the 'Enchanted' tour. She had some cool rare and semi-rare songs in the setlist, mixed with the big hits, but when she'd introduce something like "Garbo" or "Twisted," she'd tell the audience to "bare with (her)" if they didn't know the song, and that hopefully not too many people would get up and leave.

[gldstwmn]

"bare with (her)"

Stevie asked everyone to get naked with her? :eek: :lol: :p

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Stevie asked everyone to get naked with her? :eek: :lol: :p

Stevie naked on stage.. oh sheesh.. thanks for the mental! :distress:

:laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

Stevie asked everyone to get naked with her? :eek: :lol: :pDon't you just love totally self-defeating Freudian Slips? :o :laugh:

[Jyqm]

Again, I'm not entirely convinced that that's what it is. And maybe I'm wrong, and you're right -- but I really get the feeling that she's terribly insecure of people losing interest in HER, not in losing any kind of "clout."

Is there much of a difference? This is what I meant; "clout" meaning influence over other people, specifically her "fans." She's afraid to take risks because she thinks everyone will jump ship, she wants to keep filling these big venues and is afraid the guy in the Cyndi Lauper t-shirt will bail if she plays something he didn't hear on 101.5 Lite FM last week.

As far the Enchanted tour, I can't imagine she didn't notice how enthusiastically the audiences greeted those "acoustic" songs.

She's found her "comfort-zone" and stays there (and really I'm not one to criticize anyone for having their comfort zone).

Yeah man, rock & roll comfort zone! Woo!

Actually, Rock & Roll Comfort Zone would be a great name for that generally competent classic rock cover band that plays at the bar on Thursday nights. You know the one.

[sparky]

Is there much of a difference? This is what I meant; "clout" meaning influence over other people, specifically her "fans." She's afraid to take risks because she thinks everyone will jump ship, she wants to keep filling these big venues and is afraid the guy in the Cyndi Lauper t-shirt will bail if she plays something he didn't hear on 101.5 Lite FM last week.

As far the Enchanted tour, I can't imagine she didn't notice how enthusiastically the audiences greeted those "acoustic" songs.

You'd think. But I suspect that the debacle of SA and the downturn of her career took away a great deal of her confidence and has changed her into a more fearful performer. Not that she didn't stick to formula before that time period. It is at once a little endearing but mostly confounding that a person of her stature has so little innate cockiness and self assurance. I suppose when I was younger that whole vulnerablility thing was appealing and made me want to protect her and make excuses for her. But my knight in shining armour complex is a thing of the past. Now it just makes me want to kick her ass. One of many things that changed the way I look at her as an artist and shifted my expectations. Downward.

[jannieC]

Okay, I'll admit it. If money were no object- I'd go. I'd probably end up disappointed in the end, but I'd be there. But see, Stevie is the only performer I would do that for. Stevie and Fleetwood Mac are the only performers I've ever paid gross amounts of money to see live. On the other hand0- I have no collectables, a few CD's, and maybe two dozen songs/videos downloaded on my computer. :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

No. I think it's just you :laugh: People need to do what makes them happy and if this is it, then go for it! I'm seriously considering it.

Amen sistah!!!!!!!

BTW - we looked at some used Fat Boys this weekend - the bike that is!!!!

[Rickypt]

Am I the only one here who simply would never go to such an event?

I told myself after the AHI fiasco never to do something like this again. But, my take on it is that who knows how much longer Stevie will be performing and I'd love to see her in a venue more intimate than the stupid sheds. Plus I'd like to meet some of the folks from this board.

$350 is doable for me.

[Jyqm]

I told myself after the AHI fiasco never to do something like this again.

What happened with AHI? I never really heard the story about that.

[cliffdweller]

Nah - as much as I love Stevie I'd never pay that much money to go to something like that. There are several reasons. It seems that (and I'm not talking about the majority of the people here ;) ) that a lot of the crazies come out....

And there are a lot of crazies...in fact my first thought upon seeing the private party thing was, "oh that poor woman...does she know what she's getting herself into?"

And I wouldn't want to meet Stevie for a split second while there are bunches of other crazed fans around.

Plus I have this ideal of who/what Stevie is in my head. It's almost guaranteed not to be accurate as it's put together on what she portrays in public -and well, I don't want that image/ideal messed with.

AND with my luck I'd catch her on the ****tiest day of her life and she'd be a complete bear and I'd be crushed. I've already been front-row-hand-shake-snubbed by Stevie twice...I don't need to be snubbed after paying upwards of 300 bucks :o

Deanna, you read my mind. I agree with this entire post :thumbsup:

[DavidMn]

Amen sistah!!!!!!!

BTW - we looked at some used Fat Boys this weekend - the bike that is!!!!Thank god you clarified that!:lol:

[Rickypt]

What happened with AHI? I never really heard the story about that.

I've written about it a couple of times. Short version: I paid $1,000 after being guaranteed by the AHI director that Stevie would be signing autographs, there were a bunch of gate-crashers at the party, Stevie signed about 10 autographs and got the hell out of there.

That's why if I go to this Oct. 14th gig, I'm not going to have any expectations other than seeing Stevie in a small-ish venue with other fans. I won't tell myself that I'll be in the front row, or will shake her hand, or will get her autograph or anything.

[cliffdweller]

That's why if I go to this Oct. 14th gig, I'm not going to have any expectations other than seeing Stevie in a small-ish venue with other fans.

But shouldn't this really be the only realistic expectation we should have as fans? Not to pick on your or anything (your post just sparked this) but I don't get this, "we're entitled to x or y from Stevie as fans and especially if we're paying good $$$ for it." I mean, Stevie is a musician she is not beholden to anyone. If we enjoy her music, that should really be enough to satisfy us, not getting a lock of her golden hair or a hug or a kiss, or whatever it is that people want. This is kind of a spin-off of what Jyqm was talking about with the commodification aspect of this whole thing. Frankly, it creeps me out. I think it would be cool to see her in a smallish venue in an intimate setting a la the VH-1 Storytellers episode, but I just don't think coercing Stevie to do this by waving a lot of cash in her face will really garner an authentic performance from her. It would be another thing if SHE instigated something like this for her fans, then I would feel a little warmer and fuzzier inside about the whole thing; it would be more special and meaningful. But Stevie for hire doesn't do it for me. That's cool I guess if she agrees to it and does it and everyone has a blast, but it just seems weird, I dunno. And like Deanna said, 300 (or whatever) rabid Stevie fans frothing at the mouth over "touching" Stevie or getting her autograph or taking part in a possible meet and greet with her is really not an attractive imagined visual for me :laugh:

[Jyqm]

This is kind of a spin-off of what Jyqm was talking about with the commodification aspect of this whole thing. Frankly, it creeps me out.

And imagine how Stevie feels!

I think it would be cool to see her in a smallish venue in an intimate setting a la the VH-1 Storytellers episode, but I just don't think coercing Stevie to do this by waving a lot of cash in her face will really garner an authentic performance from her. It would be another thing if SHE instigated something like this for her fans, then I would feel a little warmer and fuzzier inside about the whole thing; it would be more special and meaningful. But Stevie for hire doesn't do it for me. That's cool I guess if she agrees to it and does it and everyone has a blast, but it just seems weird, I dunno.

Yes.

I don't really have anything else to add, just: yes.

[The Tower]

But shouldn't this really be the only realistic expectation we should have as fans? Not to pick on your or anything (your post just sparked this) but I don't get this, "we're entitled to x or y from Stevie as fans and especially if we're paying good $$$ for it." I mean, Stevie is a musician she is not beholden to anyone. If we enjoy her music, that should really be enough to satisfy us, not getting a lock of her golden hair or a hug or a kiss, or whatever it is that people want.
I don't care if I get to touch her, I don't care if I get her autograph, I don't care if I get front row or anything like that. Alls I want is to have a fresh set list with some lively OOMMPH to it.

Her voice as it is today could totally pull off "Crystal" or "Storms" or "Ooh My Love" or "Long Way to Go" or "Love Is" or "Battle of the Dragon" or on and on and on.

That's why I keep getting suckered into all this stuff. I keep hoping she's going to pull out some fresh material. Unfortunately, I usually only get one little morsel each time out.

[Rickypt]

But shouldn't this really be the only realistic expectation we should have as fans? Not to pick on your or anything (your post just sparked this) but I don't get this, "we're entitled to x or y from Stevie as fans and especially if we're paying good $$$ for it." I mean, Stevie is a musician she is not beholden to anyone. If we enjoy her music, that should really be enough to satisfy us, not getting a lock of her golden hair or a hug or a kiss, or whatever it is that people want. This is kind of a spin-off of what Jyqm was talking about with the commodification aspect of this whole thing. Frankly, it creeps me out. I think it would be cool to see her in a smallish venue in an intimate setting a la the VH-1 Storytellers episode, but I just don't think coercing Stevie to do this by waving a lot of cash in her face will really garner an authentic performance from her. It would be another thing if SHE instigated something like this for her fans, then I would feel a little warmer and fuzzier inside about the whole thing; it would be more special and meaningful. But Stevie for hire doesn't do it for me. That's cool I guess if she agrees to it and does it and everyone has a blast, but it just seems weird, I dunno. And like Deanna said, 300 (or whatever) rabid Stevie fans frothing at the mouth over "touching" Stevie or getting her autograph or taking part in a possible meet and greet with her is really not an attractive imagined visual for me :laugh:


All good points. I'm sure there will be many who will expect something special at this performance because (1) they are hardcore fans and (2) they paid $350. But all that's been advertised by the promoters is a 90 minute Stevie performance as part of a 6 hour party. So that's all I will expect.

Absolutely, I would love if Stevie instigated something like this and the Stevie for hire thing bugs me. The reality, however, is that Stevie will never instigate something like this, and Stevie is for hire.

So I say to myself, is it worth the money? The answer is yes, if it plays out the way it is described. I don't plan to see Stevie many more times in my life. I'll never see her play a shed again and I will fall over dead if she does a club tour. I'd love to see her once more in a small venue, even if it's another canned greatest-hits performance. And while it might get a little annoying being around a zillion rabid fans, truth is I'd rather be around them than the boring nostalgia-seekers who go to the regular gigs. At least the energy will be fierce, and maybe Stevie will get a good hit off of that.

[strandinthewind]

I don't care if I get to touch her, I don't care if I get her autograph, I don't care if I get front row or anything like that. Alls I want is to have a fresh set list with some lively OOMMPH to it.

Her voice as it is today could totally pull off "Crystal" or "Storms" or "Ooh My Love" or "Long Way to Go" or "Love Is" or "Battle of the Dragon" or on and on and on.

That's why I keep getting suckered into all this stuff. I keep hoping she's going to pull out some fresh material. Unfortunately, I usually only get one little morsel each time out.

exactly how I feel!!!!!!

[cliffdweller]

I don't care if I get to touch her, I don't care if I get her autograph, I don't care if I get front row or anything like that. Alls I want is to have a fresh set list with some lively OOMMPH to it.

Her voice as it is today could totally pull off "Crystal" or "Storms" or "Ooh My Love" or "Long Way to Go" or "Love Is" or "Battle of the Dragon" or on and on and on.

That's why I keep getting suckered into all this stuff. I keep hoping she's going to pull out some fresh material. Unfortunately, I usually only get one little morsel each time out.


Exactly, and maybe that's a good enough reason not to gamble away your $350 + airfare, hotel accommodations, food, merch (if they have it available), etc...:shrug:

However, I'd hate to believe that Stevie would play a 90 minute set and not throw some rarities in there, that would just be ridiculous! I mean, I guess she could fill up 90 minutes with all of her solo and F.M. hits but damn, that would be evil on her part! :laugh:

If you do go, be sure to give us a nice, detailed, lengthy review! I'm counting on you for that ;)


Edit: If she does Battle of the Dragon you better get that sucker on videotape!

[cliffdweller]

All good points. I'm sure there will be many who will expect something special at this performance because (1) they are hardcore fans and (2) they paid $350. But all that's been advertised by the promoters is a 90 minute Stevie performance as part of a 6 hour party. So that's all I will expect.

Absolutely, I would love if Stevie instigated something like this and the Stevie for hire thing bugs me. The reality, however, is that Stevie will never instigate something like this, and Stevie is for hire.

So I say to myself, is it worth the money? The answer is yes, if it plays out the way it is described. I don't plan to see Stevie many more times in my life. I'll never see her play a shed again and I will fall over dead if she does a club tour. I'd love to see her once more in a small venue, even if it's another canned greatest-hits performance. And while it might get a little annoying being around a zillion rabid fans, truth is I'd rather be around them than the boring nostalgia-seekers who go to the regular gigs. At least the energy will be fierce, and maybe Stevie will get a good hit off of that.

No I get it. It's just that the whole thing seems a little cold. I want Stevie to want it :laugh: not just be paid to be up there singing songs to us in a contrived performance. I know my whole "I want Stevie to instigate it" thing is a long time coming if at all, but that is my ideal situation. And I know ideal situations hardly ever work out, so I guess I'm just musing...

[Rickypt]

I mean, I guess she could fill up 90 minutes with all of her solo and F.M. hits but damn, that would be evil on her part! :laugh:

No, she won't even do that. She will skip many of her hits like TTM, I Can't Wait, After the Glitter Fades, Nightbird, Leather and Lace, Seven Wonders, and sort-of hits like Everyday, Maybe Love Will Change Your Mind and will instead trot out Enchanted, Fall From Grace, and Rock and Roll.

[Rickypt]

I want Stevie to want it :laugh: not just be paid to be up there singing songs to us in a contrived performance.

Believe me, I get where you're coming from. Who knows, though, maybe she'll find a moment of being inspired knowing that she's performing for serious fans.

[cliffdweller]

No, she won't even do that. She will skip many of her hits like TTM, I Can't Wait, After the Glitter Fades, Nightbird, Leather and Lace, Seven Wonders, and sort-of hits like Everyday, Maybe Love Will Change Your Mind and will instead trot out Enchanted, Fall From Grace, and Rock and Roll.


I didn't know Nightbird and After the Glitter Fades were hits :confused:. I guess I'm talking about radio hits, I don't remember those songs being radio hits but then again I was only 8 so :shrug:.

[Rickypt]

I didn't know Nightbird and After the Glitter Fades were hits :confused:. I guess I'm talking about radio hits, I don't remember those songs being radio hits but then again I was only 8 so :shrug:.

They both hit Top 40, which in those days qualified as a hit (not huge, though).

[Jyqm]

I know my whole "I want Stevie to instigate it" thing is a long time coming if at all, but that is my ideal situation. And I know ideal situations hardly ever work out, so I guess I'm just musing...

If she were really smart, she'd instigate something like this, promise a full-length concert of mostly rarities/surprises to lure the hardcore fans, charge a minimum five hundred dollar "donation," and give all of the money to Walter Reed, or AHI, or whatever good cause strikes her fancy.

I still wouldn't go. But I'd be proud of her.

[cliffdweller]

If she were really smart, she'd instigate something like this, promise a full-length concert of mostly rarities/surprises to lure the hardcore fans, charge a minimum five hundred dollar "donation," and give all of the money to Walter Reed, or AHI, or whatever good cause strikes her fancy.

I still wouldn't go. But I'd be proud of her.

I wouldn't go either because I can't forsee having $500 to blow on something like this in the near future :laugh:.

[amber]

I wouldn't go either because I can't forsee having $500 to blow on something like this in the near future :laugh:.

Oh, man, though, if I had it I would blow it hard.

I'd love to see the Stevie that fights for the Northern Star!!!!

[dissention]

However, I'd hate to believe that Stevie would play a 90 minute set and not throw some rarities in there, that would just be ridiculous! I mean, I guess she could fill up 90 minutes with all of her solo and F.M. hits but damn, that would be evil on her part! :laugh:


Let's be realistic. If all goes well and she gets booked for this party, it's simply going to be another gig for her. Does anyone honestly believe that prior to performing at this party, she's going to convene her band together to bang out live arrangements for songs that she's never performed live before? It's most likely going to be a standard Nicks set and Rickypt has the right idea when he says that if you go in with those expectations, you won't be disappointed. She's been under the (misguided) assumption that all anyone really wants to hear are her hits, so if she's even informed that this is being put together by fans, she's going to think "Fans? Paying all this money? Oh, I must give them the hits and nothing but." When your diehard fans show up to all your concerts and sing along to all the same old songs, I'm sure one starts to adhere to the if-it-ain't-broke philosophy.

[stargazer99]

I'd love to see the Stevie that fights for the Northern Star!!!!

I'd love to see the "Stevie fights" that break out between any Stevie-wannabe stalker fans that may show up and try to be the first to touch her legwarmer. ;)

[amber]

I'd love to see the "Stevie fights" that break out between any Stevie-wannabe stalker fans that may show up and try to be the first to touch her legwarmer. ;)

Oh, man, this one lady got soooooooooo mad that the security guards stopped people from doing the Edge stage rush in Vegas (Wed. Night). I was mad, too (mainly because Paula snuck in right in front of me, and so I was basically the last person NOT let past, and I've never gotten to touch her tiny paw) but for goodness sakes, it wasn't the end of the world. Not even close. :rolleyes:
This lady kept screaming and screaming and causing a scene, meanwhile all of us left back are trying to enjoy watching the Edge walk, seeing our friends shake hands and stuff. Of course the lady had to be right by me. I believe she was so mad she left the concert right then. I mean, talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face. "I'm so mad at not being up front for this moment of Stevie's concert, that I'm going to leave Stevie's concert!!!"

fricking moron.

[stargazer99]

Oh, man, this one lady got soooooooooo mad that the security guards stopped people from doing the Edge stage rush in Vegas (Wed. Night). I was mad, too (mainly because Paula snuck in right in front of me, and so I was basically the last person NOT let past, and I've never gotten to touch her tiny paw) but for goodness sakes, it wasn't the end of the world. Not even close. :rolleyes:
This lady kept screaming and screaming and causing a scene, meanwhile all of us left back are trying to enjoy watching the Edge walk, seeing our friends shake hands and stuff. Of course the lady had to be right by me. I believe she was so mad she left the concert right then. I mean, talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face. "I'm so mad at not being up front for this moment of Stevie's concert, that I'm going to leave Stevie's concert!!!"

fricking moron.

Yep, there's at least a few in every crowd. Hopefully, if this party does happen, it won't turn into that. I'd think that since most people going will probably know each other from the boards, there won't be any fights. But you never know if any crazies might show up.

At the one concert I went to last summer, I actually saw people trying to get past security by saying stuff like "I named my kid Rhiannon, you gotta let me near her" or "I've got a Buckingham Nicks album I've gotta get her to sign." That worked splendidly. :laugh:

[amber]

Yep, there's at least a few in every crowd. Hopefully, if this party does happen, it won't turn into that. I'd think that since most people going will probably know each other from the boards, there won't be any fights. But you never know if any crazies might show up.

At the one concert I went to last summer, I actually saw people trying to get past security by saying stuff like "I named my kid Rhiannon, you gotta let me near her" or "I've got a Buckingham Nicks album I've gotta get her to sign." That worked splendidly. :laugh:
Yeah, that was the kind of stupid stuff this lady was saying. She appeared to be a normal (if pretty big) middle age lady, otherwise. She wasn't dressed Stevily.
She was like "do you know how long I've been a fan???" :rolleyes:

You know, I know about some of the people from the boards, and a few are strange. Not quite sure the extent of the strange, though.

[cliffdweller]

This lady kept screaming and screaming and causing a scene, meanwhile all of us left back are trying to enjoy watching the Edge walk, seeing our friends shake hands and stuff. Of course the lady had to be right by me. I believe she was so mad she left the concert right then. I mean, talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face. "I'm so mad at not being up front for this moment of Stevie's concert, that I'm going to leave Stevie's concert!!!"

fricking moron.


:laugh:

Nothing could be worse than the lady next to me at one of the SYW shows screaming at MICK to play "Silver Springs!" :laugh: I would have busted a gut laughing if she hadn't been right in my ear with it. Ugh. She was so f*cking wasted too, her face was all red and puffy. I was mad because I had finally made it up to the front and then had to contend with this drunken lunatic shouting at Mick of all people to play Silver Springs (this was after they dropped it from the setlist--so, second leg of the first SYW tour?) anyway, I wanted to tell this woman that they had dropped it from the setlist, but really, how can you reason with a flailing, drunken banshee-woman? :laugh:

[Jyqm]

:laugh:

Nothing could be worse than the lady next to me at one of the SYW shows screaming at MICK to play "Silver Springs!" :laugh: I would have busted a gut laughing if she hadn't been right in my ear with it. Ugh. She was so f*cking wasted too, her face was all red and puffy. I was mad because I had finally made it up to the front and then had to contend with this drunken lunatic shouting at Mick of all people to play Silver Springs (this was after they dropped it from the setlist--so, second leg of the first SYW tour?) anyway, I wanted to tell this woman that they had dropped it from the setlist, but really, how can you reason with a flailing, drunken banshee-woman? :laugh:

Sometimes you can! Your story reminded me of when Elvis Costello played the Taste of Chicago a few years ago. It was toward the end of his set, and this middle-aged woman in a tank-top and sunglasses with a beer in her hand who had probably driven in from one of the southwest suburbs for the day (because who doesn't head into the city for the Taste?!) walked up to me and said in a loud, slightly recneck-y, slightly drunken voice: "Hey, 'd he play 'Alison' yet?!" I offered a pity smile and answered, "Yeah, I'm sorry, he already did a few songs ago." She just kind of clenched her fist, said, "Well, shoot!" and walked off.

[cliffdweller]

Sometimes you can! Your story reminded me of when Elvis Costello played the Taste of Chicago a few years ago. It was toward the end of his set, and this middle-aged woman in a tank-top and sunglasses with a beer in her hand who had probably driven in from one of the southwest suburbs for the day (because who doesn't head into the city for the Taste?!) walked up to me and said in a loud, slightly recneck-y, slightly drunken voice: "Hey, 'd he play 'Alison' yet?!" I offered a pity smile and answered, "Yeah, I'm sorry, he already did a few songs ago." She just kind of clenched her fist, said, "Well, shoot!" and walked off.


:laugh: :laugh: That was nice of you. I probably would have just looked at her like she was an idiot :laugh:, not really, I probably would have told her the same thing you did. But seriously, the urge to be a smart-ass would have been within me. It always gauls me when people go to shows and just want to hear one song, I mean, why go?

[cliffdweller]

Let's be realistic. If all goes well and she gets booked for this party, it's simply going to be another gig for her. Does anyone honestly believe that prior to performing at this party, she's going to convene her band together to bang out live arrangements for songs that she's never performed live before? It's most likely going to be a standard Nicks set and Rickypt has the right idea when he says that if you go in with those expectations, you won't be disappointed. She's been under the (misguided) assumption that all anyone really wants to hear are her hits, so if she's even informed that this is being put together by fans, she's going to think "Fans? Paying all this money? Oh, I must give them the hits and nothing but." When your diehard fans show up to all your concerts and sing along to all the same old songs, I'm sure one starts to adhere to the if-it-ain't-broke philosophy.


So I take it you're going? :laugh: :xoxo:

[Jyqm]

:laugh: :laugh: That was nice of you. I probably would have just looked at her like she was an idiot :laugh:, not really, I probably would have told her the same thing you did. But seriously, the urge to be a smart-ass would have been within me. It always gauls me when people go to shows and just want to hear one song, I mean, why go?

Well, to be fair, it was the Taste of Chicago, not a regular concert. Taste of Chicago is an annual event where a bunch of restaurants from all over the city set up booths all around Grant Park, and you go and buy tickets which you can redeem for food at all the different booths, and meanwhile there's a main stage where bands play, and anybody in the city can walk by and catch a performance for free. So it's not like she bought a ticket for an Elvis Costello concert just to hear "Alison;" she probably just came into the city for the Taste and hoped to catch some of his set while she was there.

[cliffdweller]

Well, to be fair, it was the Taste of Chicago, not a regular concert. Taste of Chicago is an annual event where a bunch of restaurants from all over the city set up booths all around Grant Park, and you go and buy tickets which you can redeem for food at all the different booths, and meanwhile there's a main stage where bands play, and anybody in the city can walk by and catch a performance for free. So it's not like she bought a ticket for an Elvis Costello concert just to hear "Alison;" she probably just came into the city for the Taste and hoped to catch some of his set while she was there.


Oh. Thanks for the clarification. Obviously I had no idea what the Taste of Chicago was whatsoever.

[Jyqm]

Oh. Thanks for the clarification. Obviously I had no idea what the Taste of Chicago was whatsoever.

It's why Midwesterners are fat, basically! You buy a strip of 11 tickets for $7, and every booth has a "Taste portion" of something for just 3 tickets, in addition to larger, more expensive items (although the Taste portions can still be pretty hefty; you get a lot of bang for your buck). I've still got my list of what I ate last year:

Turkey leg (9 tickets)
Crab cake nuggets (7)
1 liter of water (5)
Fried ravioli (3)
Biryani (3)
Samosa (3)
Pierogi (3)
Pad thai tofu (3)
Beef on a stick (3)
Steak sandwich (3)
Cheesecake (3)

45 tickets total, meaning I bought four strips of 11 (and bummed the last one from a friend) for $28. That's a hell of a lot of food for $28, and I can only imagine that most people spend quite a bit more than that, especially if they go more than once (it's a 10-day event). Also note that very little of what I got was terribly healthful; this is not an event for the garden salad crowd.

[skcin]

^ We have Taste of Buffalo here every July. From the looks of your list, I eat about as much as you my friend. :D I love it, it's one of my favorite events here every summer.

Oh, man, this one lady got soooooooooo mad that the security guards stopped people from doing the Edge stage rush in Vegas (Wed. Night). I was mad, too (mainly because Paula snuck in right in front of me, and so I was basically the last person NOT let past, and I've never gotten to touch her tiny paw) but for goodness sakes, it wasn't the end of the world. Not even close. :rolleyes:


Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, let the record show that Paula was only able to squeeze out of security guy's grip when some broad decided that she had to PEE at this point :rolleyes: & he had to let her through, therefore allowing me to slip by on the other side of pee woman. Oh, and I wasn't able to shake her hand anyway. :distress: But I did get that B&tB footage as a result. :nod: So thank you, lady who had to pee during Edge rush. You're a great gal.

But I digress. People are crazy during Edge rush - elbows flying, people shoving, swearing, crying.



Oh, man, though, if I had it I would blow it hard.

I'd love to see the Stevie that fights for the Northern Star!!!!


Me too. The Northern Star thing, not the blowing. Well, actually... :cool:

[strandinthewind]

. . . But I digress. People are crazy during Edge rush - elbows flying, people shoving, swearing, crying . . . .

As gldstwmn can attest - I was sucker puched by some drunk c*nt at the final, May Vegas show. Goldie and I had like second row aisle seats and just walked up to the stage at the right time. Then came the slam of the people behind us. This one chick was so pissed because I am so tall, she punched me in my kidneys. I almost hit her back but then came to my senses. After I escorted Goldie back to out second row seat, which I believe we moved people out of, I was so freaked out, I went to the top of the section for awhile. I mean get a grip people.

[Jyqm]

But I digress. People are crazy during Edge rush - elbows flying, people shoving, swearing, crying.

I'm glad I've never had this type of experience. Of course, I've only been to two Stevie concerts, but I wandered down to the front during "Edge of Seventeen" at the Atlanta TISL show, and everybody was very well-behaved. I shook Stevie's hand without any pushing or anything. But then again, this was a Chastain Amphitheatre crowd - lots of yuppies with season tickets who probably just go to every event there, regardless of who's playing, so there were a lot of folks there who weren't exactly big fans. Most people sat throughout the entire show, and I was pretty disappointed in the audience energy level. Still a decent concert, though.

(Also, I know some of you are fans of the Stevie cleavage, but I gotta say, I was kind of frightened by the up-close look I got at it. Those babies were squeezed into that dress way too tight, and it did not look all that flattering from five feet away.)

[strandinthewind]

I'm glad I've never had this type of experience. Of course, I've only been to two Stevie concerts, but I wandered down to the front during "Edge of Seventeen" at the Atlanta TISL show, and everybody was very well-behaved. I shook Stevie's hand without any pushing or anything. But then again, this was a Chastain Amphitheatre crowd - lots of yuppies with season tickets who probably just go to every event there, regardless of who's playing, so there were a lot of folks there who weren't exactly big fans. Most people sat throughout the entire show, and I was pretty disappointed in the audience energy level. Still a decent concert, though.

(Also, I know some of you are fans of the Stevie cleavage, but I gotta say, I was kind of frightened by the up-close look I got at it. Those babies were squeezed into that dress way too tight, and it did not look all that flattering from five feet away.)

At the Chastain concert (which I also attended - the one before 9/11 ) - she was way heavier than she was at the beginning of the tour. I remember thinking she looked like a sausage in too tight a casing and that the steroids used to deswell her chords (presuming she took them) caused her body to swell up. Then, I saw the boobs and was like - LORD CHILD - THAT MUST ME JELLO CUZ JAM SURE DON'T SHAKE THAT DAT! :laugh:

BTW - we were in the handicap section!

[David]

I'm glad I've never had this type of experience.It's horrible, jyqm. Stevie fans have really rancid-smelling sweat.

[Jyqm]

At the Chastain concert (which I also attended - the one before 9/11 ) - she was way heavier than she was at the beginning of the tour. I remember thinking she looked like a sausage in too tight a casing and that the steroids used to deswell her chords (presuming she took them) caused her body to swell up. Then, I saw the boobs and was like - LORD CHILD - THAT MUST ME JELLO CUZ JAM SURE DON'T SHAKE THAT DAT! :laugh:

BTW - we were in the handicap section!

Swelled sausage is a good way to describe it. Plus, they were so pale, and with whatever kind of powder or make-up she put on them they looked kind of cake-y, and you could practically see the veins in them, and yuck. I think that day is when I stopped thinking Stevie was very hot anymore.

We were in the middle toward the back of the floor seating area. At one point, we actually just left our seats and went and stood at the back of the floor area, because we wanted to stand but felt rude doing it in the middle of the crowd while everybody else was being a stupid nerd and sitting.

[strandinthewind]

^^^

I know - the Chastain crowd is a weak crowd IMO.

What sucks is the handicap people are not on risers at all. They are just flanking those side concession stands. So, they have to look at a monitor if the five rows in front of them stand, which they did.

Chastain sucks.

[cliffdweller]

AThis one chick was so pissed because I am so tall, she punched me in my kidneys.

I think I've heard you tell this story before and everytime I hear it I get mad all over again. I wouldn't have blamed you one bit if you had given her a little shove! Women think they can hit men because men aren't supposed to hit back. Well, if the lady can dish it out, she better be ready to take it.

[cliffdweller]

^^^

I know - the Chastain crowd is a weak crowd IMO.

Sounds like a great crowd for the Edge rush. I'm imagining people just politely standing there with big smiles on their faces actually helping people up to the front of the stage instead of elbowing them to the floor :laugh:.

[strandinthewind]

I think I've heard you tell this story before and everytime I hear it I get mad all over again. I wouldn't have blamed you one bit if you had given her a little shove! Women think they can hit men because men aren't supposed to hit back. Well, if the lady can dish it out, she better be ready to take it.

I am smart enough not to start a fight in that arena esp. I mean jail in Vegas is not my deal :laugh: Fortunately, I think the stage security saw that this chick was hitting me - so maybe they would have arrested her and not me. But, I was not about to find that out :laugh:

[cliffdweller]

I am smart enough not to start a fight in that arena esp. I mean jail in Vegas is not my deal :laugh: Fortunately, I think the stage security saw that this chick was hitting me - so maybe they would have arrested her and not me. But, I was not about to find that out :laugh:


This very thing happened to my husband at one of the SYW shows (it was the one where I met you!). Actually, we weren't even trying to get to the front of the stage, it was after the show and we were LEAVING. This girl, I guess thought that we weren't moving fast enought so she proceeded to shove my husband up the steps with her elbow in his back! He said some words to her, but I was thinking, man, the nerve of some people! I wanted to shove her down face first.

[strandinthewind]

This very thing happened to my husband at one of the SYW shows (it was the one where I met you!). Actually, we weren't even trying to get to the front of the stage, it was after the show and we were LEAVING. This girl, I guess thought that we weren't moving fast enought so she proceeded to shove my husband up the steps with her elbow in his back! He said some words to her, but I was thinking, man, the nerve of some people! I wanted to shove her down face first.

I know - that urge is HARD to resist!!!!!!!!

I have gotten to the point where I want to be in a private box with a private entrance to the event.

[Jyqm]

Sounds like a great crowd for the Edge rush. I'm imagining people just politely standing there with big smiles on their faces actually helping people up to the front of the stage instead of elbowing them to the floor :laugh:.

You laugh, but you're really not that far off.

Remember, I was toward the back of the floor area. I didn't even move until after "Edge" had already started, but when I saw some people crowding toward the front, I figured, what the heck, I'll mosey on down. And mosey I did, and just walked right up and got close enough for a handshake. No fuss, no muss, no kindey punches.

[cliffdweller]

You laugh, but you're really not that far off.

Remember, I was toward the back of the floor area. I didn't even move until after "Edge" had already started, but when I saw some people crowding toward the front, I figured, what the heck, I'll mosey on down. And mosey I did, and just walked right up and got close enough for a handshake. No fuss, no muss, no kindey punches.

That's awesome. I think I know where I'll be seeing all my Stevie concerts from now on :cool: :) .

[strandinthewind]

That's awesome. I think I know where I'll be seeing all my Stevie concerts from now on :cool: :) .

Actually, a friend of mine owns the house across the street and we usually watch the concerts from his roof for free!!!!!!!

[stargazer99]

Sometimes you can! Your story reminded me of when Elvis Costello played the Taste of Chicago a few years ago. It was toward the end of his set, and this middle-aged woman in a tank-top and sunglasses with a beer in her hand who had probably driven in from one of the southwest suburbs for the day (because who doesn't head into the city for the Taste?!) walked up to me and said in a loud, slightly recneck-y, slightly drunken voice: "Hey, 'd he play 'Alison' yet?!" I offered a pity smile and answered, "Yeah, I'm sorry, he already did a few songs ago." She just kind of clenched her fist, said, "Well, shoot!" and walked off.

:laugh:

Are you originally from Chicago? I grew up in the far south suburbs, close to the Indiana border. I can totally picture the woman you're talking about! I never realized what caricatures south suburbanites are until I moved to the north side. I think my hair deflated by default as soon as I moved out of the burbs! South suburban girls are the real Jersey girls. I think they actually probably better fit the stereotype some people have about Jersey girls.

[Jyqm]

:laugh:

Are you originally from Chicago? I grew up in the far south suburbs, close to the Indiana border. I can totally picture the woman you're talking about! I never realized what caricatures south suburbanites are until I moved to the north side. I think my hair deflated by default as soon as I moved out of the burbs! South suburban girls are the real Jersey girls. I think they actually probably better fit the stereotype some people have about Jersey girls.

I spent four years at Northwestern in beautiful downtown Evanston, where north suburbs stereotypes go both to spawn and to die! And to eat. Dining Capital of the North Shore represent!

I love the mircrocosm of American existence that is Chicagoland, I'll absolutely be moving back there someday.

[amber]

Wow :shocked: Was she American? I had some pretty crazy Italian people next to me last night at the Bruce Springsteen concert. They loved to scream.
How did everyone else react?

Um, there are three redundant things in your sentence here. :laugh:
She was American. I don't know how everyone reacted, I was too busy screaming crazily.



But seriously, I suppose others were like me, she was going on for quite a bit - at first I was looking (she was literally right next to me) and then I just got pissed of because she was squallering while I was trying to watch/listen to Stevie. I think security had to take her by the arms...

Oh, and it's cool you saw Bruce.

[stargazer99]

I spent four years at Northwestern in beautiful downtown Evanston, where north suburbs stereotypes go both to spawn and to die! And to eat. Dining Capital of the North Shore represent!

I love the mircrocosm of American existence that is Chicagoland, I'll absolutely be moving back there someday.


We moved to Texas about a year ago. I really miss Chicago, though I definitely don't miss the cold! But I still have most of my family and many friends there, so I have an excuse to visit.

[strandinthewind]

We moved to Texas about a year ago. I really miss Chicago, though I definitely don't miss the cold! But I still have most of my family and many friends there, so I have an excuse to visit.

I LOVE Chicago!!!!!!

The Miracle Mile is amongst the best shopping there is on this planet!!!! For the LB Sounstage thingee - several Ledgies and some peeps from Nancy's board all got together and had a blast!!!!!!! I also used to visit a friend who used to live there. I love that town - but it is sooooooo cold for this magnolia :laugh:

[DavidMn]

I LOVE Chicago!!!!!!

The Miracle Mile is amongst the best shopping there is on this planet!!!! For the LB Sounstage thingee - several Ledgies and some peeps from Nancy's board all got together and had a blast!!!!!!! I also used to visit a friend who used to live there. I love that town - but it is sooooooo cold for this magnolia :laugh:AWW guess you wont come to visit Minneapolis then.;) :(

[Jyqm]

We moved to Texas about a year ago. I really miss Chicago, though I definitely don't miss the cold! But I still have most of my family and many friends there, so I have an excuse to visit.

I lived in south Florida for 18 years before moving to Chicago, but I loved the winters. Yeah, the cold sucks, but there's something really invigorating about it, too. And it makes the spring and summer so much better. I got so bored living somewhere where it was just hot all the time.

(David, I would love to get back to Minneapolis sometime, especially for the state fair.)

[strandinthewind]

AWW guess you wont come to visit Minneapolis then.;) :(


Not a chance LOL!!!!!!!

I am not a cold weathered person!

[stargazer99]

I LOVE Chicago!!!!!!

The Miracle Mile is amongst the best shopping there is on this planet!!!! For the LB Sounstage thingee - several Ledgies and some peeps from Nancy's board all got together and had a blast!!!!!!! I also used to visit a friend who used to live there. I love that town - but it is sooooooo cold for this magnolia :laugh:

My blood has already thinned out since being down here. I think I'd do even worse in the cold now than I did for the 37 years I lived in Chicago! I'm hoping to get back for a visit this summer, and to visit downtown. I haven't been downtown in ages!

I remember the Soundstage thing. I joined Nancy's board shortly before that, and didn't find out about Soundstage until the tickets were all gone. I did catch FM at Allstate Arena a couple days earlier, though. Tenth row seats. Unfortunately, my 5'1" self was right behind someone that had to be at least 6'5"! So I was having a lot of trouble seeing the stage.

On a side note, Soundstage's studios are at my alma mater, Northeastern Illinois University. And my last apartment in the city was only a few miles away.

[DavidMn]

Not a chance LOL!!!!!!!

I am not a cold weathered person!Jason my friend you dont know what youre missing. Come up sometime in the summer. I think youd like it than.

[Jyqm]

I remember the Soundstage thing. I joined Nancy's board shortly before that, and didn't find out about Soundstage until the tickets were all gone.

I had no idea about Soundstage at all, simply because I wasn't reading The Ledge at that point. Blast.

Jason my friend you dont know what youre missing. Come up sometime in the summer. I think youd like it than.

Dear god is Minnesota beautiful in the summer. That's one of the biggest, best-kept secrets in America.

[stargazer99]

I lived in south Florida for 18 years before moving to Chicago, but I loved the winters. Yeah, the cold sucks, but there's something really invigorating about it, too. And it makes the spring and summer so much better. I got so bored living somewhere where it was just hot all the time.

(David, I would love to get back to Minneapolis sometime, especially for the state fair.)

I agree that the cold winters make you appreciate the spring and summer much more! But I was still quite happy to be in a warm climate this past winter. Now that I live some place warm, though, I dread the summers like I dreaded the winters up north. It gets HOT down here! And I have a feeling this summer's going to be a bad one. We've already had a handful of 100+ degree days over the past month!

[strandinthewind]

Jason my friend you dont know what youre missing. Come up sometime in the summer. I think youd like it than.

The Summer would be okay. But, the winter - forget it :laugh:

[cliffdweller]

I am not a cold weathered person!

You look pretty weathered to me :shrug: :laugh: :xoxo:

I am not a cold weather person either. I've lived in Texas most of my life and well, in most parts of this state it's pretty warm year 'round. West Texas and the Panhandle get some fierce winter weather but central and south Texas rarely see much cold weather. I like to call Austin "Little Calcutta" because it's so damn hot and humid here in the summertime it's almost unbearable. But really, I've gotta have the sun, I could not live in a place that doesn't see much sunshine.

[strandinthewind]

^^^^

Hey Now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cliffdweller]

^^^^

Hey Now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


"Hey now, hey now don't dreeeeaaaam it's over".....

:laugh:

How's Atlanta in the summertime Strandie?

[strandinthewind]

"Hey now, hey now don't dreeeeaaaam it's over".....

:laugh:

How's Atlanta in the summertime Strandie?

It is as hot as a crotch!!!

But nothing - and I mean NOTHING - is as hot as New Orleans in July and August. Oy Vey!!!!!

[cliffdweller]

It is as hot as a crotch!!!

:laugh: So I take it moist and sticky then? Yikes, did I say that? :laugh: :o

[strandinthewind]

:laugh: So I take it moist and sticky then? Yikes, did I say that? :laugh: :o


Yes you did :D

[sparky]

It is as hot as a crotch!!!


As I read this thread, I so knew you were going to say that.

The question in terms of temperature is whose ?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

:laugh: So I take it moist and sticky then? Yikes, did I say that? :laugh: :o

i need a glass of water..

[gldstwmn]

I go out for a bike ride and this thread goes to the dogs! :laugh: In typical Ledge fashion, it has nothing to do with the original topic. I've had a few good laughs today. Thank you. :)