Scumbag that killed Carly Brucia gets his!

[DavidMn]

HOORAY!!!!! This slime wont be around too much longer. If ever there was a case for the death penalty this is it.

[Rickypt]

I agree that he is slime and a scumbag. That's where we part ways. I don't believe there is ever a case for the death penalty, and I don't see how it's even possible to determine what cases should and shouldn't get the death penalty. I think he should be in jail for the rest of his life without possibility of parole. He will suffer more that way and it avoids state-sponsored killing. My 2 cents.

[DavidMn]

I agree that he is slime and a scumbag. That's where we part ways. I don't believe there is ever a case for the death penalty, and I don't see how it's even possible to determine what cases should and shouldn't get the death penalty. I think he should be in jail for the rest of his life without possibility of parole. He will suffer more that way and it avoids state-sponsored killing. My 2 cents.I will respectfully disagree with you Ryan. No hard feelings?:o

[ontheEdgeof17]

I will never applaud the death penalty.

[Rickypt]

I will respectfully disagree with you Ryan. No hard feelings?:o

Of course not! You have every right to your opinion.

[DavidMn]

ANd I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me either.:nod:

[gldstwmn]

What happened? :confused:

[Sorcerer386]

This slime wont be around too much longer.

Uhhh...this IS the American death penalty, right? Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't still alive and kicking in ten years.

Gldstwmn, he raped and killed an 11 year old girl. (I think that's who they are talking about here).

[DavidMn]

What happened? :confused:Sorry bout that. He recieved the death penalty for killing Carly.

[DavidMn]

Of course not! You have every right to your opinion.And I certainly wont attack you or anyone else just because they disagree with me.:thumbsup:

[DavidMn]

Uhhh...this IS the American death penalty, right? Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't still alive and kicking in ten years.

Gldstwmn, he raped and killed an 11 year old girl. (I think that's who they are talking about here).Yeah,y you're right. I know that guy Richard Allen Davis that took Polly Klaas right from her home about 10 years ago and murdered her is still around.

[SuzeQuze]

I will never applaud the death penalty.

Me neither.

[DavidMn]

Me neither.I still love ya.:wavey:

[jannieC]

Me neither.
Add me to this list. Quite passionate about this issue, too.

[SuzeQuze]

Add me to this list. Quite passionate about this issue, too.

Me too, and here's the top reason illustrated by facts on Amnesty International's page:

Since 1973, 122 prisoners have been released in the USA after evidence emerged of their innocence of the crimes for which they were sentenced to death. There were six such cases in 2004 and three up to December 2005. Some prisoners had come close to execution after spending many years under sentence of death. Recurring features in their cases include prosecutorial or police misconduct; the use of unreliable witness testimony, physical evidence, or confessions; and inadequate defence representation. Other US prisoners have gone to their deaths despite serious doubts over their guilt.

http://web.amnesty.org/pages/deathpenalty-facts-eng

[paleshadow]

And I certainly wont attack you or anyone else just because they disagree with me.:thumbsup:


I'm with you on this one David.

[strandinthewind]

It is such a conundrum for me. I think no onw has the right to take another's life. Yet, I would have killed the 9-11 hijackers myself had any survived. Moreover, if someone molested my kid, killed my partner, etc., I'd probably kill them as well. Thus, I am torn and mostly hypocritical on this point. I think I am so not alone in this boat.

[SuzeQuze]

It is such a conundrum for me. I think no onw has the right to take another's life. Yet, I would have killed the 9-11 hijackers myself had any survived. Moreover, if someone molested my kid, killed my partner, etc., I'd probably kill them as well. Thus, I am torn and mostly hypocritical on this point. I think I am so not alone in this boat.

Nope, you're not, I'm a thread hypocritical in this regard too. I was just thinking about that, how if someone were to take out Osama then I would jump for joy. That's different though because what he did was an act of war and not just a crime. He reneged on his right to a trial on 9/11.

However, people can't be trusted with others' lives in the manner they have to be to enforce a "just" death penalty. I think in theory it can work but in practice will always fail abysmally due to the inherently flawed nature of human beings. Everyone makes mistakes! But you cannot afford to when someone's life is at stake.

[skcin]

It is such a conundrum for me. I think no onw has the right to take another's life. Yet, I would have killed the 9-11 hijackers myself had any survived. Moreover, if someone molested my kid, killed my partner, etc., I'd probably kill them as well. Thus, I am torn and mostly hypocritical on this point. I think I am so not alone in this boat.


I'll be your first mate on that boat.

[estranged4life]

I was hoping perve-f**k would get life in prison so he would have to be put into general population...Then he would have to live the rest of his life looking over his shoulder wondering/waiting for the day that another prisoner "shanks" his happy ass out of this existence.

Giving him the death penalty is the easy way out...Make his life hell by paranoia in the general population is more my style.

[strandinthewind]

I'll be your first mate on that boat.

You, me, and Suze - who's bringing the rum :wavey:

[UnwindedDreams]

What's the death penalty...lethal injection? If it is...it's too quick! You want him to suffer just like Carly did...his death isn't even painful...poor Carly...Rest In Peace...

[Rickypt]

It is such a conundrum for me. I think no onw has the right to take another's life. Yet, I would have killed the 9-11 hijackers myself had any survived. Moreover, if someone molested my kid, killed my partner, etc., I'd probably kill them as well. Thus, I am torn and mostly hypocritical on this point. I think I am so not alone in this boat.

I think we all have this instinct. The question is should we create policy based on a natural desire for revenge?

[SuzeQuze]

You, me, and Suze - who's bringing the rum :wavey:

Then we'll be headed straight for Jamaica, mon! I went on a cruise once and we went on this glass bottom boat for an excursion. They had a steel drum band and did all kinds of group dances with us. That was the most fun! You could get your weak rum punch topped off with 151. :shocked: Good times. Plus, its all on video!

[strandinthewind]

I think we all have this instinct. The question is should we create policy based on a natural desire for revenge?

True - but there is something that just feels right about it. I cannot fathom the pain that would be caused by someone murdering someone I loved and then seeing that person back out on the streets in 20 years when my person is gone. I know all the heady arguments about why revenge is never correct, why any and all taking of life is wrong, etc. But, in my gut, I am pretty sure I'd want them dead and I think 99% of the Earth's population would feel the same way. So, it is a little hard to argue that the 1% is 100% correct and everyone else is just vindictive. Again, I know no correct answer to this. I am just chatting about it because I think it is a complex topic and different perspectives are interesting to me.

[strandinthewind]

T . . . Plus, its all on video!

Is that the one where you are wearing the rainbow pasties with Curtis' thong :wavey: :wavey:

[SuzeQuze]

Is that the one where you are wearing the rainbow pasties with Curtis' thong :wavey: :wavey:

No but my uncle is on it and he had gained weight and lost a couple of teeth. :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Ghost_Tracker]

I saw the sentencing live. I love how the Judge went through a whole list of positive arguments - arguments against giving him the death penalty. He said things like, "The defendant has worked in construction, volunteering to help neighbors to build improvements which they could not otherwise afford. The Court assigns this: moderate weight. The defendant has written nice letters home to his relatives. The Court assigns this: LITTLE weight. The defendant has sought drug counseling. The Court assigns this: moderate weight.

And then he mentions how all of these things taken together are being weighed against what he did ( and what he has been found guilty of ) and basically says, "When balanced against that, all of those things count for NOTHING." YIKES I wanna shake that Judge's hand! :shocked:

Anyway I think maybe he should leave his coat in the jail cell - he ain't gonna be needing it where he's going, it's gonna be a tad warm there. :distress:

[Rickypt]

I am just chatting about it because I think it is a complex topic and different perspectives are interesting to me.

Me too. I really see life in prison without parole as a much harsher sentence than death. Having to spend the rest of your life knowing you will never leave the building and enjoy any kind of freedom. And if prison is anything close to what is portrayed on OZ, then it is a pretty brutal environment. But then again, people fight their death penalty, so the instinct to live is huge.

I also can't see how one murder can be ranked over another. Some, like the one in this thread, are considered so horrible (which they are) that the death penalty is warranted. What about the other ones? They are less horrible? How do you decide? Someone makes a plea and offers some information on another crime and avoids the death penalty, while another person who has nothing to offer or gets a crappy lawyer gets executed. None of this seems like justice to me.

[Ghost_Tracker]

How do you decide? Someone makes a plea and offers some information on another crime and avoids the death penalty, while another person who has nothing to offer or gets a crappy lawyer gets executed. None of this seems like justice to me.



Well, I'm not saying I think this solves the problem or is the "right answer," but - if someone's son or daughter is murdered, it's the natural feeling of the mother and father to want to kill the person who did it. And - frankly - don't they have a right to that? At least from a certain point of view? You can't minimize what happened (and I'm not saying you personally are) - this person KILLED their DAUGHTER. Having the State do it for them after a fair trial keeps "revenge killings" to a minimum, and still gets the job done. And I really do feel the parents have some rights here, this guy KILLED their DAUGHTER.
Honest feeling on it.
The only thing that really throws a wrench in the works for me is this -
Obviously this guy has some kind of brain disease. Which caused him to do this. That makes the whole thing a LOT more complicated, i.m.o. But ultimately we're responsible for our actions.
Anyway that's my take on it, personally. It's sorta an "unsolvable problem" - but I guess sometimes you just have to take your best guess about what the "right" thing to do is.

[sara1998]

You, me, and Suze - who's bringing the rum :wavey:
I'll bring the rum darling, because if anyone ever touched my Sara inappropriately, I'd kill 'em myself. But otherwise, I don't always agree with the death penalty.(my hyporcritical side comes out when it comes to kids) This asshole will be killed in prison. Just you watch.

[Rickypt]

Well, I'm not saying I think this solves the problem or is the "right answer," but - if someone's son or daughter is murdered, it's the natural feeling of the mother and father to want to kill the person who did it. And - frankly - don't they have a right to that? At least from a certain point of view? You can't minimize what happened (and I'm not saying you personally are) - this person KILLED their DAUGHTER. Having the State do it for them after a fair trial keeps "revenge killings" to a minimum, and still gets the job done. And I really do feel the parents have some rights here, this guy KILLED their DAUGHTER.
Honest feeling on it.


I hear you. I definitely think a victim's loved ones have rights, including a right to justice and to have any feeling they want. I just don't personally extend that right to the death penalty. I'm quite conservative on prison sentences for a flaming liberal; it would be a rare case when I'd support anything less than life without parole for murder. I just can't support state-sponsored killing. I get sick to my stomach every time they execute someone here in California--not because they are decent people, but just the thought that we actually put someone to death feels dead wrong, no pun intended.

[Ghost_Tracker]

I hear you. I definitely think a victim's loved ones have rights, including a right to justice and to have any feeling they want. I just don't personally extend that right to the death penalty. I'm quite conservative on prison sentences for a flaming liberal; it would be a rare case when I'd support anything less than life without parole for murder. I just can't support state-sponsored killing. I get sick to my stomach every time they execute someone here in California--not because they are decent people, but just the thought that we actually put someone to death feels dead wrong, no pun intended.


Well, personally I think it's the kinda thing that's just so complex that you just simply have to go with your heart on it. The brain just simply has no definite answers for this one. It's not like you can run some kind of computer program or mathematical equation and then go, "See, THAT'S the right ANSWER, this PROVES it!"

[Brwn_eyes0511]

ANd I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me either.:nod:

Well you know this is one area where you and I will NOT disagree...


flip the switch...

[markolas]

True - but there is something that just feels right about it. I cannot fathom the pain that would be caused by someone murdering someone I loved and then seeing that person back out on the streets in 20 years when my person is gone. I know all the heady arguments about why revenge is never correct, why any and all taking of life is wrong, etc. But, in my gut, I am pretty sure I'd want them dead and I think 99% of the Earth's population would feel the same way. So, it is a little hard to argue that the 1% is 100% correct and everyone else is just vindictive. Again, I know no correct answer to this. I am just chatting about it because I think it is a complex topic and different perspectives are interesting to me.

Well, it would "feel right" for me to set fire to my ex-roommate's house...or track down the salesman who sold me my car and run him over in front of his wife and children...does that mean it's the right thing to do?

People's "guts" are often filled with hate and evil, and I don't think public policy should be based on that. Call it "heady" if you want. Killing is wrong.

[The Tower]

We've done the death penalty thread before- so, I'll just repost what I said before....

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpost.php?p=473308&postcount=71

[SuzeQuze]

I hear you. I definitely think a victim's loved ones have rights, including a right to justice and to have any feeling they want. I just don't personally extend that right to the death penalty. I'm quite conservative on prison sentences for a flaming liberal; it would be a rare case when I'd support anything less than life without parole for murder. I just can't support state-sponsored killing. I get sick to my stomach every time they execute someone here in California--not because they are decent people, but just the thought that we actually put someone to death feels dead wrong, no pun intended.

It is sickening. The thing about the victims' families and the DP is, after the perp is executed there is this big, gaping hole. The family has spent all that time looking for justice and when it comes they still have to face their grief. The revenge won't bring back their loved one.

I'll bring the rum darling, because if anyone ever touched my Sara inappropriately, I'd kill 'em myself. But otherwise, I don't always agree with the death penalty.(my hyporcritical side comes out when it comes to kids) This asshole will be killed in prison. Just you watch.

You know, I feel the same way. I don't have children but if I did I would surely feel that protective. When Dahmer was killed in prison I thought it was perfect. There are some crimes so abhorent that people just get what's coming to them, so to speak.

Now enough with all this thinking, where is that rum! ;)

[DavidMn]

I appreciate everyone being civil in this thread. I was worried that there might be a problem because of how strong some peoples feelings are on this subject.

[strandinthewind]

Well, it would "feel right" for me to set fire to my ex-roommate's house...or track down the salesman who sold me my car and run him over in front of his wife and children...does that mean it's the right thing to do?

People's "guts" are often filled with hate and evil, and I don't think public policy should be based on that. Call it "heady" if you want. Killing is wrong.

With all due respect, your plight in these situations is hardly comparable to murder :shrug:

But, if your point is something to the effect of "should we allow people to exact their own revenge on any level" - the answer is no we should not. In the case of the death penalty, it has been around since before Christ. So, there is legal footing for it. I know that does not make it de facto right, just, or moral to many, but that is the basis for it, as opposed to no legal basis whatsoever for you acting outside the law in the acts of personal revenge you gave as an example. In other words, in your examples, you alone are acting. In a DP case, the state is acting.

[DavidMn]

With all due respect, your plight in these situations is hardly comparable to murder :shrug:

But, if your point is something to the effect of "should we allow people to exact their own revenge on any level" - the answer is no we should not. In the case of the death penalty, it has been around since before Christ. So, there is legal footing for it. I know that does not make it de facto right, just, or moral to many, but that is the basis for it, as opposed to no legal basis whatsoever for you acting outside the law in the acts of personal revenge you gave as an example. In other words, in your examples, you alone are acting. In a DP case, the state is acting. A voice of reason.:)

[danax6]

Well, I am against the death penalty, but not because I don't think we are to judge about which lives get taken and which not. If you kill another human being in cold blood, you deserve nothing else but the same 'courtesy'. The thing is, life in prison (especially one as a child molester/murderer) is much harsher and much better fitting punishment than the easy way out of a lethal injection. Besides, there's also the matter of people being on deathrow that are innocent. It's a complicated mess if you ask me.

Then again, if I were to look at my own country, I'd have to say that the death penalty is probably worse than life in prison. Things are too easy and protected here, and the punishments are way to lenient. :rolleyes:

[DavidMn]

Well, I am against the death penalty, but not because I don't think we are to judge about which lives get taken and which not. If you kill another human being in cold blood, you deserve nothing else but the same 'courtesy'. The thing is, life in prison (especially one as a child molester/murderer) is much harsher and much better fitting punishment than the easy way out of a lethal injection. Besides, there's also the matter of people being on deathrow that are innocent. It's a complicated mess if you ask me.I know. That's what's hard about it sometimes for me too.