Bear Sheppard

[Sahara]

Just looking for information on this lady, of www.designsbybear.com or formerly www.brandisdream.com.

I'm not looking to rock the boat or do damage to anyone's reputation, I'm just curious to know has anyone ordered items from this website, as I've ordered things and have been having some trouble chasing them down.

Reputable? Reliable?

Thanks. :wavey:

[JazmenFlowers]

I've heard that it isn't the easiest transaction when ordering from Bear (is that her real name?), but that the product is good. I guess it depends on how much in a rush you are to have the product and if you're a patient person. I do know that everything seems to be handmade and I can understand that taking a while sometimes...and I'm sure she gets overloaded at times.

I will say, and this is just my opinion, that after looking over her website I decided not to order anything from her. I got a very weird vibe from reading her FAQ's and got the sense that it would end up being more trouble than it's worth. The idea is to convince people to order from you, not scare them off. ;)

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Someone who posts on the seven wonders board had some problems though I do think she has received her items now. She is EnchantedStevie over there

[Sahara]

Well, I've been waiting patiently for over six months now, so .... :shrug:

[Haunted Song]

I ordered over $200 worth of clothing from her years ago and never received anything after repeated e-mails. My money was never returned either. BUYER BEWARE!!! :mad:

[Phoenix]

I ordered some of the "rumours outtake photos" from her on e-bay. The auction ended in december, I got them about a week ago. the end of FEB:eek: In the item description, they were described as "not exacally crystal clear" THAT WAS MORE THAN AN UNDERSTATEMENT TO SAY THE LEAST.:distress: I was pretty frustrated, cause I really was excited to see thiese. There was one "not so crystal clear" one of stevie that looked like it would be really beautiful.

[MoonChilde]

Thanks for heads on up on this..I have looked a few times at her web site and considered ordering ..now I am really glad I did'nt.. and can I just say how Jealous I am of the previous 2 posters Pictures!! ;)

[Phoenix]

Thanks for heads on up on this..I have looked a few times at her web site and considered ordering ..now I am really glad I did'nt.. and can I just say how Jealous I am of the previous 2 posters Pictures!! ;)

Your time will come.......just keep putting it out there into the universe.:nod:

[GODDESS6]

i have never bought any of her clothing, but i have purchased some of her stevie stuff & it took a month to receive, but she did send me some cool xtras for the delay:wavey: ~

[mandersv]

last year my neice ordered a handmade "rhiannon" dress for her prom from her...and got it quickly...with leggings and all... so who knows... all i know is the dress was drop dead beautiful!

hugs
mandy

[jannieC]

Personally, the fact that someone ordered $200 worth of clothing and never recieved it overshadows ANY good service she may provide. Wow, that is awful!:mad:

[David]

last year my neice ordered a handmade "rhiannon" dress for her prom from her...and got it quickly...with leggings and all... so who knows... all i know is the dress was drop dead beautiful!Did your niece sing Rhiannon at her prom?
hugs
mandy{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}

[Sahara]

Personally, the fact that someone ordered $200 worth of clothing and never recieved it overshadows ANY good service she may provide. Wow, that is awful!:mad:

Well, my order was in that sort of league as well .... I'm getting really worried at this stage, she's stopped replying to my emails. :mad:

[Pisces Queen]

I ordered the Dance shirt and Rhiannon skirt in 2000 and it took about 3 months to get my order. I wasn't happy with her customer service BUT I was very happy with her product.

[pattymarkle]

Hey guys - long time no talk! I ordered a Rhiannon chiffon skirt and a velvet and lace top for the Vegas shows last year. I ordered way too close to the date my plane left, but she got the outfit here on time and it is perfectly fine with the exception of the elastic in the waistband being twisted. It looks great and she did a wonderful rush job.

Sorry to hear others have had troubles.

Patty

[SuzeQuze]

I had to rewrite this whole post because of memory failures, damn. For the Enchanted tour I got a great burn out lace skirt and shawl. The shawl is a bit too narrow so it doesn't exactly fall right but it is really pretty. She did a good job on both. Then for SYW I ordered a black chiffon Rhiannon dress which I got quickly. I did note that I am petite on top so the waistline should probably be higher than average but I got a regular size which is fine. I just would have liked it to be more fitted. I've been lucky though it seems. I wouldn't order again.

[Enchanted_Stevi]

I am EnchantedStevie on SevenWOnders....I ordered the RHiannonTop, Greta Skirt, RHiannon Skirt, and Dreams Shawl.....all for $180 which I saved up for for 1 year and I mailed the money order out at the end of May and I recieveed my outfit 2 days before Chrstmas Vaca....lol...which would be December 22....lol...Its GORGOUS but the sewing isnt that well on the sleeves of my top....but its good over all...All my freinds LOVE it....lol....But my Sists(Barbara) she is sending me all her outfits that dont fit her and I think some boots because she asked me what my show size was....lol

Also....Bear....She stop contacting me and MONTHS later she said that her computer crashed and had to get a new one... :shrug:

[DavidMn]

I ordered over $200 worth of clothing from her years ago and never received anything after repeated e-mails. My money was never returned either. BUYER BEWARE!!! :mad:Uh-Oh. no good. HEY BTW, Hello my friend!:wavey:

[JazmenFlowers]

Also....Bear....She stop contacting me and MONTHS later she said that her computer crashed and had to get a new one... :shrug:
*clears bull**** throat*

[DavidMn]

*clears bull**** throat*Yeah, it sounds like its just not worht the trouble.

[Sahara]

Has anyone any advice on what I ought to do? Wait it out?

[JazmenFlowers]

Has anyone any advice on what I ought to do? Wait it out?
if it were me, I'd email her every day and be stern - no more mr. nice guy

or track down a phone number. pester her any way you can til you get some response as to when to expect either your items or your money back. if that doesn't work, I'd contact Sec. of State or Better Business Bureau and see what they suggest.

also, see if she's posted anything on eBay and warn all the buyers and email her and tell her you're warning them.

[BombaySapphire3]

Has anyone any advice on what I ought to do? Wait it out?
Why not tell her you are going to come over to her place and pick up the clothing you paid for? That might get a response.

[Sahara]

Why not tell her you are going to come over to her place and pick up the clothing you paid for? That might get a response.

On the far side of the Atlantic .... :rolleyes: I'm liking this idea!! :o Thanks!

[BombaySapphire3]

On the far side of the Atlantic .... :rolleyes: I'm liking this idea!! :o Thanks!
I didn't say to actually do it .Just say you are going to .:lol:

[Enchanted_Stevi]

*clears bull**** throat*

HAHA:blob2::laugh: :lol:

[Enchanted_Stevi]

Has anyone any advice on what I ought to do? Wait it out?

My mom reported her to the Internet fraud thingy...lol....maybe u should do it

[SpyNote]

Bear does beautiful work. After it was featured on VH1 FanClub, however, I think she was flooded with orders and just couldn't keep up with the incredible demand. At the time, I believe it was just her making everything from scratch. Not sure how she's doing now, as I've lost touch. But she could have made a great living had she been more organized and hired a small staff to handle some of the administrative duties, such as processing orders and fielding customer questions.

[David]

Bear does beautiful work. After it was featured on VH1 FanClub, however, I think she was flooded with orders and just couldn't keep up with the incredible demand. At the time, I believe it was just her making everything from scratch. Not sure how she's doing now, as I've lost touch. But she could have made a great living had she been more organized and hired a small staff to handle some of the administrative duties, such as processing orders and fielding customer questions.I wonder whether Bear still has that roommate who barely -- but goodnaturedly -- tolerated Bear's Stevie fetish.

Daniel, how did your life change after the Fan Club was broadcast?

[Sahara]

Sent another email tonight, slightly less nice I suppose, and got a reply within a few hours. She told me my order would be sent within the next week.

I wait in hope. :woohoo: Despite these reports I haven't given up hope.

[trackaghost]

Sent another email tonight, slightly less nice I suppose, and got a reply within a few hours. She told me my order would be sent within the next week.

I wait in hope. :woohoo: Despite these reports I haven't given up hope.

Let us know how you get on. It's not nice to hear of fans ripping other fans off. If she is unable to fulfil people's orders within a reasonable amount of time she should return the money, simple as that.

[Sahara]

Let us know how you get on. It's not nice to hear of fans ripping other fans off. If she is unable to fulfil people's orders within a reasonable amount of time she should return the money, simple as that.


That's what I thought. Thanks for your contribution, guys, you'll be the first to know.

[Sahara]

Got another email -- yet more delays with my order. I'm so frustrated!! ARRGHHHH!!!!! :mad:

Just one excuse after another. It's hard to keep my patience...

[JazmenFlowers]

It's hard to keep my patience...
it's hard to be civil and it's real hard to be nice...

but you did it, my love, every time...

I have nothing to do with this or the Australian magazine scandal but it chaps my ass when this stuff happens. I wish we could all get together with torches and pitchforks and storm her castle.

[Sahara]

it's hard to be civil and it's real hard to be nice...

but you did it, my love, every time...

Hahaha, how appropriate.


I have nothing to do with this or the Australian magazine scandal but it chaps my ass when this stuff happens. I wish we could all get together with torches and pitchforks and storm her castle.

The what now?

[JazmenFlowers]

The what now?
someone had ordered some Australian magazine and paid for it via another Ledgie but never got it or something along those lines...not sure of the exact details

it just ticks me off when you don't get what you pay for or trade for or whatever (probably because I've been burned before and I always take trades, etc. very seriously; cause I'm a nice guy I guess :rolleyes: ) don't laugh too hard at that

[Sahara]

Like it's already been said, it's bad enough being ripped off, but being ripped off by another fan? :distress:

I'm still holding out hope, though. :o

[Sahara]

Got an email from Bear, my order's definitely been sent, I got a tracking number.

Can't wait! :woohoo:

[WelshWitchPMD]

Got an email from Bear, my order's definitely been sent, I got a tracking number.

Can't wait! :woohoo:

That is great to hear! Let us know when you get it and maybe you can even post a photo or 2.

[DavidMn]

Got an email from Bear, my order's definitely been sent, I got a tracking number.

Can't wait! :woohoo:Good. I'm glad she finally sent it.

[gold_dustgypsy]

Yay! :woohoo: I'm glad you are finally going to get it after all this time :thumbsup:

[SandyMac]

It sounds like Bear needs to take a few lessons in providing good customer service. The product could be good, but does not matter if customer service is bad. Companies go under because of stuff like that.

[Sahara]

Thanks to all of you for providing me with the information and back up to push my case!

I didn't start this thread to tarnish her reputation or to bad-mouth anyone ... I just wanted to find out what was going on.

Apparently I'll have my package the start of next week. I'll let you know how I get on. :woohoo:

[DavidMn]

Thanks to all of you for providing me with the information and back up to push my case!

I didn't start this thread to tarnish her reputation or to bad-mouth anyone ... I just wanted to find out what was going on.

Apparently I'll have my package the start of next week. I'll let you know how I get on. :woohoo:I never beileved that for a second.:)

[Enchanted_Stevi]

Got an email from Bear, my order's definitely been sent, I got a tracking number.

Can't wait! :woohoo:


That is soooo good ist sent out for sure...Hope to see pics of u in it!!!!!

[MoonChilde]

that is great news..must of been hard waiting so long ..Please take some pixs when you get it..
on a side note I found this fab guy who makes costumes who is going to whip something up for me.for when Fm comes on tour...Now I have a few ideas what I would like.but would love to hear some ideas too..

[Sahara]

Hi again...

Got my package as promised on Monday. Hurray! :woohoo: As for its contents...

"The Dance" blouse in black velvet and chiffon sleeves -- lovely, no problems.

I also ordered a shawl cusom-made in imitation of the Gold Dust Woman shawl from The Dance and beyond -- what I received was a much smaller shawl than what I ordered, and the colour represented on the site was sort of misleading. [What I received was much paler, more akin to the "Say Goodbye" shawl, you know the one, or US Festival '83 than the GDW.] It's still a lovely piece though -- but not exactly what I paid for, you know?

I'll post photos if and when I can.

[trackaghost]

Wow, finally! How long did that take?
Can't wait to see the piccies!

[David]

Did any of you guys ... or girls (or maybe guys after all) ... ever buy a pair of boots from Pasquale Di Fabrizio, the little Italian man who made Stevie's boots for a long time?

I see a lot of Stevie acts out there & they look good except for their boots. The boots always look like go-go boots these ladies might find at a sex shop on Hollywood Boulevard. They aren't Stevie's custom platforms with the suede. Stevie's boots look very sharp & sort of low-key, compared with the platform boots people buy for themselves, which always look kinky & sort of S&M.

[Sahara]

Wow, finally! How long did that take?
Can't wait to see the piccies!

Thanks! Er ... *calculates ... my mental arithmetic is dreadful* 7 and a half months exactly. :shocked:

[Starling]

I absolutely do not mean to dish any dirt but has anyone heard from Bear lately? If not, I understand and I don't want to start any bashing wars...I'm more concerned than anything else.

[GODDESS6]

I absolutely do not mean to dish any dirt but has anyone heard from Bear lately? If not, I understand and I don't want to start any bashing wars...I'm more concerned than anything else.
i bought something from her recently on ebay & she seemed fine & well:D ~

[Starling]

Okay, good to know...

[melaboo]

i did bid on something from her on ebay and it took a long while to recieve it.

[JazmenFlowers]

after hearing good and bad things, I contacted her about maybe doing something for me for NOTS and she responded that same night. :shrug:

[DavidMn]

after hearing good and bad things, I contacted her about maybe doing something for me for NOTS and she responded that same night. :shrug:How did that work out then?

[Enchanted_Stevi]

I wont buy anything from her again....until she starts to be more professional about sending out packages. I might buy a jacket ot something but not a TON of things at nice like I did. It made me mad that wen she E~Mailed me she said she was going to mail it 'monday' and never did.

[JazmenFlowers]

How did that work out then?
I ended up not using her. I made my own.

[desertangel]

Did any of you guys ... or girls (or maybe guys after all) ... ever buy a pair of boots from Pasquale Di Fabrizio, the little Italian man who made Stevie's boots for a long time?

I see a lot of Stevie acts out there & they look good except for their boots. The boots always look like go-go boots these ladies might find at a sex shop on Hollywood Boulevard. They aren't Stevie's custom platforms with the suede. Stevie's boots look very sharp & sort of low-key, compared with the platform boots people buy for themselves, which always look kinky & sort of S&M.

Never bought anything from DiFabrizio, unfortunately. He must have quit by the time I came along. I bought two pair from Maya in Hollywood at around $300 pr. Take a look at the picture in the Enchanted box set where she's wearing the red skirt and beige boots... that's what Maya makes. I wanted Bella Donna era boots but Maya won't make them because they say most people don't want to walk around on something that tall. (HUH?... I guess unless you're talking fetish boots which is different.)

I agree, the fetish boots do cheapen a look-alike outfit. I would opt for the Maya boots, even though they seem to go too far the other direction. They're almost so low of platform that you miss the whole idea of the Stevie look. Hhmm... maybe if I offered them enough $$$$....

[Andromeda]

I ordered from Bear a year ago this coming Friday....she didn't send me the order by the date I needed it...kept delaying and delaying when I asked her about it...the last time I heard from her (or rather her roommate, who claimed that Bear was sick and in the hospital) was December. She's been ignoring my emails ever since. I know she's back to work - she updated her website in late March and again in April.

I've had to take the rather drastic step of reporting her to an online fraud agency here in Canada and to the Better Business Bureau in the States. I'm in the process of trying locate her myself...no real luck yet.

If she is, as it's been suggested here, swamped with orders, she shouldn't be taking on new ones until she's finished the old ones. I know for a fact that she has been taking on new orders in the last couple of months.

I really wish I'd seen this site before I ordered. I could have saved myself and my family a lot of aggravation.

[SuzeQuze]

I ordered from Bear a year ago this coming Friday....she didn't send me the order by the date I needed it...kept delaying and delaying when I asked her about it...the last time I heard from her (or rather her roommate, who claimed that Bear was sick and in the hospital) was December. She's been ignoring my emails ever since. I know she's back to work - she updated her website in late March and again in April.

I've had to take the rather drastic step of reporting her to an online fraud agency here in Canada and to the Better Business Bureau in the States. I'm in the process of trying locate her myself...no real luck yet.

If she is, as it's been suggested here, swamped with orders, she shouldn't be taking on new ones until she's finished the old ones. I know for a fact that she has been taking on new orders in the last couple of months.

I really wish I'd seen this site before I ordered. I could have saved myself and my family a lot of aggravation.

Sorry to hear of your experience but good for you for following up on it with authorities. It really ticks me off to hear of this happening over and over again.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Is she still selling on ebay?

[GODDESS6]

Is she still selling on ebay?

i haven't seen her selling anything for the past few months, just a few photos awhile back~

actually i just looked & she is no longer a registered user on ebay~

[NoSpeedLimit]

DO NOT BUY FROM HER! Back on the SYW tour I ordered a few items from her. They were NEVER sent to us. She never returned any of my emails or calls!!! My dad even tried getting his money back from some sort of internet fraud thingy.....160 bucks bye bye!

[AliceLover]

I was very impressed by the stuff she had on her fanclub episode, but the stuff on her website looks so ****ty...SB shawl and Rhiannon top excluded. You guys should check out Barb's website, it was re-done from the last time I was there and it looks kickass now. Theres a lot of cool stuff there now!

[JazmenFlowers]

^^^
ditto.

Barbara has some very nice stuff and she's awesome to deal with...always sending special goodies and making everything special in some way. I think her site is enchantedmirror.com

I've only had one dealing with Bear and it was pleasant. she was initially going to make my NOTS outfit, but I ended up making it myself. she was always prompt to return emails, but I understand people's frustrations.

[GODDESS6]

I was very impressed by the stuff she had on her fanclub episode, but the stuff on her website looks so ****ty...SB shawl and Rhiannon top excluded. You guys should check out Barb's website, it was re-done from the last time I was there and it looks kickass now. Theres a lot of cool stuff there now!

no thanks, she has done the same to me & others that bear has done~

[trackaghost]

Barbara has some very nice stuff and she's awesome to deal with...always sending special goodies and making everything special in some way.

Really? Maybe it's because she knows you. She promised me "special goodies" to make up for sending out my order late and it turned out to be a bunch of pixelated photos that others had posted on the Seven Wonders site that she printed off. I wasn't particularly impressed but maybe others have had better dealings with her.

[petep9000]

I think this is such bull****- I would never order anything from these characters. What I'm hearing on this thread is either:

1. never got the stuff
2. got the stuff, but only after painful dealings and waiting and emails
3. got the stuff but it wasn't the right size, or was smaller than promised
4. got the stuff but it was shabbily made
5. the occasional 'bluebird of happiness' who says they've never had a problem with ordering from her (forgetting to mention they are personal friends of her too..)

Friends, you can do better. Why take the risk? Find yourself an experienced dressmaker, and pay the extra money for having him create something that will be exactly the way you want. This thread just pisses me off, honestly.
Because I've been there, honey. I ordered the 'Book Of Miracles' from some fellow 'fan' in 1989- and the bitch never sent it. Only after 'flaming' her on the old AOL board did she finally send the book- 10 years later. I waited 10 years for a xeroxed piece of **** full of OSOTM era grainy pics.

[jannieC]

Really? Maybe it's because she knows you. She promised me "special goodies" to make up for sending out my order late and it turned out to be a bunch of pixelated photos that others had posted on the Seven Wonders site that she printed off. I wasn't particularly impressed but maybe others have had better dealings with her.
I didn't know Barb before I ordered from her and I thought she did a wonderful job. My husband ordered a crescent moon for me for Christmas (after I had bookmarked her site for him several months before). She sent me my order which came in a really cool little pouch and some pictures (which I didn't really think look pixelated)- all of which were unexpected.

[trackaghost]

I'm glad you had a nice experience with her but I just know I would never order anything from her again, for several reasons, not just because of the photos.

[JazmenFlowers]

Really? Maybe it's because she knows you. She promised me "special goodies" to make up for sending out my order late and it turned out to be a bunch of pixelated photos that others had posted on the Seven Wonders site that she printed off. I wasn't particularly impressed but maybe others have had better dealings with her.
I guess that's possible. sorry you didn't have a good experience. I know how frustrating it can be. I have been there before with other "fans" - :(

the sad thing is, there are so many people who want good quality stuff and so few people that are willing and able to do provide those items. if I had more free time and were a better seamstress, I'd love to do it.

as for petep9000's comments, he's actually got a great point...which is why I generally make my own stuff.

[Andromeda]

DO NOT BUY FROM HER! Back on the SYW tour I ordered a few items from her. They were NEVER sent to us. She never returned any of my emails or calls!!! My dad even tried getting his money back from some sort of internet fraud thingy.....160 bucks bye bye!


You called her? Do you still have her number? I phoned PayPal and they had a "Customer Service Number" for her (they refused to give me her address)...turned out to be an unlisted cell phone based out of Atlanta. I called the number and got a recording..."We're sorry, this phone does not accept incoming calls." I phoned PayPal back and told them that the number didn't work...they said they'd take care of it but failed to elaborate. I haven't heard anything from them since.

I also tried the Secretary of State Consumer Division, but because she's not an incorporated company they couldn't help me.

Does anyone know the name of Bear's roommate? There's no information on Bear out there but there might be something for her roommate...

[[email protected]]

Please let me know what you ordered that was not
to your liking, I do not have ANY record of orders from you
in my store?
Please let me know.
I know that you don't like me, personally, and to my knowledge
you have NEVER ordered anything from my store, so I would appreciate
you to not say things that are not true about my business.

Thank you. Barbara

no thanks, she has done the same to me & others that bear has done~

[[email protected]]

I send out special gifts to ALL of my customers.
I am sorry you were not happy with your gift photos/and or CD
(usually I also give away demo CDs along with the photos)
that I included with your package.
I find that most of my customers are quite pleased, and I have many
return customers.
I don't, to my knowledge, give out "pixelated" photos, all of
my photos are quite lovely, and I love to share them with
my customers.
I am sorry your experience was not to your standards,
and if there is anything I can do, please let me know.
I also respond to ALL eMails and phone calls to my business
within a few hours.
:)
Thank you,
Barbara

Really? Maybe it's because she knows you. She promised me "special goodies" to make up for sending out my order late and it turned out to be a bunch of pixelated photos that others had posted on the Seven Wonders site that she printed off. I wasn't particularly impressed but maybe others have had better dealings with her.

[[email protected]]

Thank you so much, Jannie!
I enjoy making each package very special, for
wonderful people like you :)
Barbara

I didn't know Barb before I ordered from her and I thought she did a wonderful job. My husband ordered a crescent moon for me for Christmas (after I had bookmarked her site for him several months before). She sent me my order which came in a really cool little pouch and some pictures (which I didn't really think look pixelated)- all of which were unexpected.

[GODDESS6]

Please let me know what you ordered that was not
to your liking, I do not have ANY record of orders from you
in my store?
Please let me know.
I know that you don't like me, personally, and to my knowledge
you have NEVER ordered anything from my store, so I would appreciate
you to not say things that are not true about my business.

Thank you. Barbara

i never dealt w/ your store, because of my dealings w/ you on ebay under the different names you have used, which were mytimelesstreasures & stevienickstreasures~ & i speak the truth about those dealings along w/ the stevie nicks "picture/photoclub" you used to have online~


& for the record i NEVER said anything about liking you or not, i just don't like being ripped off is all~

[[email protected]]

I changed my user ID on eBay from StevieNicksTreasures, to MyTimelessTreasures, as I was not only selling "Stevie Nicks" items, and now it is Enchanted Mirror, as that is my online (non eBay) store. I never signed up another account, it was always me, under the same account, and changing your USER ID on eBay is always allowed, and people can always find you, if they look up your previous name, and then they are shown your new one.
I am never hard to reach, either by eMail or phone, all that info is available in my stores, and I return calls or eMails the same day!
So, what is it exactly that you say you ordered from me on Ebay and never received? Or from the photo club, that you never received?
I am more than happy to send you something that is owed, according to my records, I do not have anything owed to you, Jill, on eBay or otherwise.
I realize you do not care for me, and that is fine, but I do not wish false statements posted about my business dealings. I have over 4,000 POSITIVE feedbacks on eBay, and that speaks for itself.
I am more than happy to send you something that I may have overlooked that is owed to you, but, as I said, according to my business records for the past 10 years, I do not have you on file as not receiving anything paid for, so please correct me if that is wrong, and I will fix that ASAP for you.

Thank you, Barbara

i never dealt w/ your store, because of my dealings w/ you on ebay under the different names you have used, which were mytimelesstreasures & stevienickstreasures~ & i speak the truth about those dealings along w/ the stevie nicks "picture/photoclub" you used to have online~

[GODDESS6]

I changed my user ID on eBay from StevieNicksTreasures, to MyTimelessTreasures, as I was not only selling "Stevie Nicks" items, and now it is Enchanted Mirror, as that is my online (non eBay) store. I never signed up another account, it was always me, under the same account, and changing your USER ID on eBay is always allowed, and people can always find you, if they look up your previous name, and then they are shown your new one.
So, what is it exactly that you say you ordered from me on Ebay and never received? Or from the photo club, that you never received?
I am more than happy to send you something that is owed, according to my records, I do not have anything owed to you, Jill, on eBay or otherwise.
I realize you do not care for me, and that is fine, but I do not wish false statements posted about my business dealings. I have over 4,000 POSITIVE feedbacks on eBay, and that speaks for itself.
I am more than happy to send you something that I may have overlooked that is owed to you, but, as I said, according to my business records for the past 10 years, I do not have you on file as not receiving anything paid for, so please correct me if that is wrong, and I will fix that ASAP for you.

Thank you, Barbara

hhmmmmmmm let's see remember the "wild heart" 3-d photo repro i had that YOU e-d me to get a copy of in return for 1 of your shirts that you used to make?, i sent the pic immediately to you & still no t-shirt & that was in 2004 during the SYW tour~ also my friend jean signed up for the photoclub thingy as a gift for me~ it's an every month thing, for a year, costing her 100.00, we received 3 shipments from you & the pics WERE pixelated pics printed out on your ebson printer, hell i still have the business card that you sent me from that business~ so as i said this is not a like or dislike thing, i have never said anything about YOU PERSONALLY, but business w/ you hasn't been in my best interest:shrug: ~ that is my honest thought on the subject, sorry if my words don't go the way you want, & btw i have a buttload of feedback also @ 100%~

[NoSpeedLimit]

You called her? Do you still have her number? I phoned PayPal and they had a "Customer Service Number" for her (they refused to give me her address)...turned out to be an unlisted cell phone based out of Atlanta. I called the number and got a recording..."We're sorry, this phone does not accept incoming calls." I phoned PayPal back and told them that the number didn't work...they said they'd take care of it but failed to elaborate. I haven't heard anything from them since.

I also tried the Secretary of State Consumer Division, but because she's not an incorporated company they couldn't help me.

Does anyone know the name of Bear's roommate? There's no information on Bear out there but there might be something for her roommate...

Really?? If I remember correctly my Dad paid through a credit card through Paypal...we called them...filed a claim through them...we also filed with an internet fraud website (can't rembmer what it was, my dad still has the papers)...Before I even ordered from her I emailed her asking questions about the outfits...but as soon as she got the money I never heard anything back....this is pissing me off just typing right now ARGH!!!

[[email protected]]

Hi Jill,
No, I am sorry, I honestly don't know what "3-d photo repro" you mean, I have dealt with hundreds of people over the past ten years, and I cannot remember each transaction individually. I don't even know who YOU are? Just by "Jill"? I looked up records of payments by anyone named Jill, and do not have anything that has not been completed, so I am sorry, I am lost.
Everyone from the Photo Club received 12 months of photos, and if you were signed up by someone else, and not happy with your photos, I am so sorry about that.
I do not own an Epson printer.
I never received ANY complaints from ANY member of the years ago photo club.
In any case, I do not wish to argue with you, and I will take this time to apologize to you, if you were unhappy with any transaction with me, that was never my intent. I wish you all the best.

Bright blessings, Barbara

hhmmmmmmm let's see remember the "wild heart" 3-d photo repro i had that YOU e-d me to get a copy of in return for 1 of your shirts that you used to make?, i sent the pic immediately to you & still no t-shirt & that was in 2004 during the SYW tour~ also my friend jean signed up for the photoclub thingy as a gift for me~ it's an every month thing, for a year, costing her 100.00, we received 3 shipments from you & the pics WERE pixelated pics printed out on your ebson printer, hell i still have the business card that you sent me from that business~ so as i said this is not a like or dislike thing, i have never said anything about YOU PERSONALLY, but business w/ you hasn't been in my best interest:shrug: ~ that is my honest thought on the subject, sorry if my words don't go the way you want, & btw i have a buttload of feedback also @ 100%~

[Andromeda]

Really?? If I remember correctly my Dad paid through a credit card through Paypal...we called them...filed a claim through them...we also filed with an internet fraud website (can't rembmer what it was, my dad still has the papers)...Before I even ordered from her I emailed her asking questions about the outfits...but as soon as she got the money I never heard anything back....this is pissing me off just typing right now ARGH!!!

I tried going to PayPal earlier this year. They said they had a 60-day limit on filing claims (or some other b.s. to that effect). I tried the credit card company too - their limit was 30 days and the woman I spoke to wondered aloud why I even bothered calling them at that point (while she may have had a point, I still think that that was just a tad rude). The impression they both left me with was that because I'd taken so long to start complaining, I was on my own. Same goes for when I talked to the local police.

My family filed a report with an online fraud company called RECOL back in...January, I think it was. Don't know what good that'll do - they're supposed to be a joint venture of the national and regional police forces. I called the local police information line to update the file a few weeks later and they said they had nothing to do with RECOL. I couldn't even get back into the original online complaint to amend it and there wasn't a help number in sight.

Ah well. I'll sort this out somehow.

[NoSpeedLimit]

I tried going to PayPal earlier this year. They said they had a 60-day limit on filing claims (or some other b.s. to that effect). I tried the credit card company too - their limit was 30 days and the woman I spoke to wondered aloud why I even bothered calling them at that point (while she may have had a point, I still think that that was just a tad rude). The impression they both left me with was that because I'd taken so long to start complaining, I was on my own. Same goes for when I talked to the local police.

My family filed a report with an online fraud company called RECOL back in...January, I think it was. Don't know what good that'll do - they're supposed to be a joint venture of the national and regional police forces. I called the local police information line to update the file a few weeks later and they said they had nothing to do with RECOL. I couldn't even get back into the original online complaint to amend it and there wasn't a help number in sight.

Ah well. I'll sort this out somehow.

Yikes...wonder if she would respond to any email i sent her now.

[Andromeda]

Yikes...wonder if she would respond to any email i sent her now.

Try it. Maybe you'll have better luck than I've had. Bear's been ignoring my emails since December.

[NoSpeedLimit]

Try it. Maybe you'll have better luck than I've had. Bear's been ignoring my emails since December.

Well well....


Look at what I sent...



Are you still making clothes? Last that I heard you weren't. Wanted to>make sure b4 I placed an order.


Sent that to her to see if I would get a response and I did...here is what she said...



Hi there! Designs by Bear is open for business! Thanks for asking! :-D Much Magic-Bearhttp://www.designsbybear.com

[[email protected]]

I hope you guys all receive your purchases from Bear.
I hope she is ok.
All the best, Barbara

Try it. Maybe you'll have better luck than I've had. Bear's been ignoring my emails since December.

[Andromeda]

I hope you guys all receive your purchases from Bear.
I hope she is ok.
All the best, Barbara

She's fine. I had a friend send her an enquiry and she responded within three hours saying she'd be happy to take on a new order. I'm going to make one last direct appeal to her about my own order and we'll see what happens. If she responds, great. If not...

[NoSpeedLimit]

She's fine. I had a friend send her an enquiry and she responded within three hours saying she'd be happy to take on a new order. I'm going to make one last direct appeal to her about my own order and we'll see what happens. If she responds, great. If not...

Let us know what she says.

[Andromeda]

I sent Bear one last email telling her that I want the order cancelled and a full refund issued. I told her if she continued to ignore me she'd force me to file charges against her in court (I believe I have enough evidence to make a case) and I gave her 48 hours to respond.

So now I wait...

[NoSpeedLimit]

^^That's great. I'm waiting for my dad to send me all the info on the order. I would be happy if I got my stuff...if not I want a refund!

[Standback383]

Sorry to hear that.....that's a bummer any time something like this happens...I don't have any info to offer though, to help you.

Good luck getting your stuff!

[Andromeda]

48 hours have come and gone with no reply from her. I'd be willing to bet money that she's just blocking my emails. So it's back to spinning my wheels....I gotta talk to someone in the legal field, see what it would cost me to sue her and what my chances of success would be - assuming that she even bothered to answer the summons. Mind you I think if she doesn't respond within 30 days I get a default judgement or something like that. I forget what the law is in Georgia. I do know if that if I want to sue her I have to do it in her home county...

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

48 hours have come and gone with no reply from her. I'd be willing to bet money that she's just blocking my emails. So it's back to spinning my wheels....I gotta talk to someone in the legal field, see what it would cost me to sue her and what my chances of success would be - assuming that she even bothered to answer the summons. Mind you I think if she doesn't respond within 30 days I get a default judgement or something like that. I forget what the law is in Georgia. I do know if that if I want to sue her I have to do it in her home county...

It's pretty ****ty that she will reply to emails from new customers but won't address the issue with you. I hope you get something sorted out soon

[Angel69]

Accepting orders, accepting payment, not delivering the orders, is not the way to run a business. I suggest to all of you who want Stevie style clothing to do what pete9000 says, visit a local dress maker. You may pay more but the transaction would probably be less frustrating. I understand all of the frustration some of you have/had felt over being given the run around.

Another option would be to just look in commercial stores. Whether it be Lord & Taylor, Macy's or Target. I have noticed plenty of clothing items in some stores that are very Stevie like. Also browse thrift shops, garage sales and Indian dress shops. I have purchased a couple of things very Stevie'ish for friends over the years through these types of establishments. Legwork and or car travel may be necessary but you will find what you are looking for with a lot less frustration.

I hope Bears roomie did not go postal on Bear for spinning around the house in all honesty here, pretty bad looking knock offs.:laugh:

[JazmenFlowers]

this is really sad.

I hope all of you who are having problems, get some resolution soon.

and I agree with Angel69 as well.

[Livia]

48 hours have come and gone with no reply from her. I'd be willing to bet money that she's just blocking my emails. So it's back to spinning my wheels....I gotta talk to someone in the legal field, see what it would cost me to sue her and what my chances of success would be - assuming that she even bothered to answer the summons. Mind you I think if she doesn't respond within 30 days I get a default judgement or something like that. I forget what the law is in Georgia. I do know if that if I want to sue her I have to do it in her home county...

Send her a demand letter via certified mail, return receipt requested. Give her a specific deadline to refund your $, mention the Deceptive Trade & Practices Act.

http://law.enotes.com/everyday-law-encyclopedia/deceptive-trade-practices

You could file a claim in small claims court for about $50, and ask for her to pay your court costs as well.

I'm dealing with a deadbeat seller on ebay myself at the moment....I just brought out the can of whoop ass on 'em last nite...good thing I used a credit card...

[kathy1]

i have never ordered anything from her. i have read alot about people that purchased things from barbara at enchanted mirror.com. you should check her out. i correspond with her through email and she seem pretty nice.

[Andromeda]

Send her a demand letter via certified mail, return receipt requested. Give her a specific deadline to refund your $, mention the Deceptive Trade & Practices Act.

http://law.enotes.com/everyday-law-encyclopedia/deceptive-trade-practices

You could file a claim in small claims court for about $50, and ask for her to pay your court costs as well.

I'm dealing with a deadbeat seller on ebay myself at the moment....I just brought out the can of whoop ass on 'em last nite...good thing I used a credit card...

That's a good idea. Thanks!

[kathy1]

hi barb it's nice to see you post on here. i haven't seen you on here since i been on here.

[Andromeda]

My complaint to the Atlanta BBB was rejected due to insufficient information. I'll have to try again later.

[Sahara]

Accepting orders, accepting payment, not delivering the orders, is not the way to run a business. I suggest to all of you who want Stevie style clothing to do what pete9000 says, visit a local dress maker. You may pay more but the transaction would probably be less frustrating. I understand all of the frustration some of you have/had felt over being given the run around.

I agree ~ since my dealings with Bear I have bought very little online but made it myself instead. At least with someone local you know exactly what you're getting.

I hope everyone gets their cases sorted out -- I think it's downright lousy of people to treat fellow fans so badly. If you can't fill orders, don't take them on. Good luck!

[Andromeda]

I sent some of the information I was able to dig up to the Better Business Bureau...they said they'd try to contact Bear and get back to me if she replied....

I'm keeping my fingers crossed....

[Kelly]

I definately also recommend you do what Livia suggested. Just type up a very stern, well constructed letter, citing the DT&PA. Send it certified. It might concern her if she thinks you are serious about filing a suit against her. Some people do not care about having judgements against them but Bear might.

I would also report her to ebay if you see her selling her clothes on there again. I don't know if they will do anything but if you cause enough problems for Bear, you might end up getting a response from her. Ebay doesn't like deadbeat sellers, so if she has new auctions listed, let them know that she ripped you off. You could also contact anyone bidding on her items and let them know she ripped you off. (if you can see her bidders, ebay may have changed that recently) Just do not let it go...be a thorn in her side and make things as difficult for her as you can.

[Andromeda]

I'm working on that letter. I'm trying to get my point across without using profanity (which is a bit difficult but her having documents laced with swear words will certainly not help my case if I do end up taking her to court). I did mention the DTPA - thank you for that, I believe it will be very helpful.

I have every intention of being a rather large thorn in her side...in my family stubbornness is a dominant trait. If there's something wrong we do something about it and we don't stop 'til it's done, no matter how long it takes.

The Better Business Bureau says they've sent her a copy of my complaint and she has until June 22 to respond to it. I wonder what happens if she doesn't bother...

[Livia]

The more professional sounding and level-headed you are about it, the better.

I'm not sure what happens if she doesn't respond by the 6/22 deadline? I'd follow-up with the BBB at that point and ask them. They may not do anything, or they may give you some advice on how to proceed.

[gypsywoman]

^^^
ditto.

Barbara has some very nice stuff and she's awesome to deal with...always sending special goodies and making everything special in some way. I think her site is enchantedmirror.com

I've only had one dealing with Bear and it was pleasant. she was initially going to make my NOTS outfit, but I ended up making it myself. she was always prompt to return emails, but I understand people's frustrations.


I bought stuff from Bear several years ago..I live in Georgia and she wouldnt let me come and pick up my stuff...It was very late but good stuff..I would by from Timeless Barbara Instead.. [email protected] Her stuff is better

[Kelly]

The more professional sounding and level-headed you are about it, the better.

I'm not sure what happens if she doesn't respond by the 6/22 deadline? I'd follow-up with the BBB at that point and ask them. They may not do anything, or they may give you some advice on how to proceed.

I doubt the BBB will do anything if she doesn't reply, but at least they will have another complaint against Bear.



I would avoid profanity in the letter...you want to sound professional and well versed in the law. (even if you are not really, lol) You may even be able to file a complaint by yourself, without having to pay a lawyer. You would have to pay the filing fee but it would probably be worth it. I doubt she will even respond to the Complaint, so you will probably end up with a Judgment for what you are owed. Collecting on that Judgement is another story though. :distress:

[Andromeda]

I doubt the BBB will do anything if she doesn't reply, but at least they will have another complaint against Bear.



I would avoid profanity in the letter...you want to sound professional and well versed in the law. (even if you are not really, lol) You may even be able to file a complaint by yourself, without having to pay a lawyer. You would have to pay the filing fee but it would probably be worth it. I doubt she will even respond to the Complaint, so you will probably end up with a Judgment for what you are owed. Collecting on that Judgement is another story though. :distress:

I cut out the profanity altogether....still working on the professionalism. I never realized how much profanity and slang are a pair of verbal crutches until I started this letter. My English teacher would smack me with a copy of "The Transitive Vampire" if he knew how degraded my English skills have become.

I checked the BBB website, looking to see if anyone else had complained about Bear. From what I've read I'm the first, which isn't surprising...they won't process a complaint without a company address (they prefer to serve complaints through the mail).

Collecting on that judgement...there's always a collection agency (even though they take a percentage) or standing outside her house with a megaphone until she has the cops haul me away....just kidding. :angel: I think there are legal alternatives - garnishing her wages, having a lien placed on her accounts, things like that. I don't know if they'd do that in magistrate (small claims) court or not...

[jannieC]

Collecting on that judgement...there's always a collection agency (even though they take a percentage) or standing outside her house with a megaphone until she has the cops haul me away....just kidding. :angel: I think there are legal alternatives - garnishing her wages, having a lien placed on her accounts, things like that. I don't know if they'd do that in magistrate (small claims) court or not...

As far as I know (and I do have some personal experience with this :( ), there is no way to really collect on a judgment. However, once a person has a judgment in their history it wrecks their credit. So, at least you have the knowledge that until she pays it, her credit is totally shot.

Also, I'm no expert writer, but I am in graduate school so I have spent a lot of time writing professionally lately. If you want me to look over your letter I'd be happy to. Just send me a PM.

[Andromeda]

According to the BBB website if Bear doesn't respond in the two weeks allotted they'll try to contact her again. If she hasn't responded two weeks from that time they'll close the complaint and take no further action. :distress: It would still remain on file, though - anyone who wanted to check her out would know that I've had problems with her and that she failed to respond to the complaint.

To me this makes it sound like all I've done in digging up information and relaying it to the proper authorities amounts to my running down a blind alley and hollering "fish". What more have I got to lose if I take her to small claims court? :shrug: A couple of weeks away from work (probably more like a month), airfare or gasoline, accommodations and meals, transportation within Decatur, filing fees....expenses, expenses. :distress:

The only thing keeping this going right now is that I absolutely refuse to file this aggravating and seemingly interminable chapter in the "Sometimes Life Sucks" folder and forget it.

[Andromeda]

The countdown begins...

Seven days until I hear from the BBB whether or not Bear actually bothered to respond to the complaint I filed.

Keep your fingers crossed...

[Kelly]

As far as I know (and I do have some personal experience with this :( ), there is no way to really collect on a judgment. However, once a person has a judgment in their history it wrecks their credit. So, at least you have the knowledge that until she pays it, her credit is totally shot.

Also, I'm no expert writer, but I am in graduate school so I have spent a lot of time writing professionally lately. If you want me to look over your letter I'd be happy to. Just send me a PM.

You are right, they won't attach her wages for a Judgement like this. They only do that for child support or in some cases, a tax lien. Judgements, in cases like this, are pretty much useless unless the person cares about their credit, which I don't know if Bear does. It is still worth doing though as she may pay you in order to avoid hassle of Court. My prediction is she will ignore the Complaint and the Judge will rule in your favor, ordering a Judgement for what she owes you, plus court costs. From there, I think Bear will just ignore the Order. Sad, but I bet that is the way she handles it. She just doesn't seem to care about working something out.

If you attempt to file a Complaint on your own, I would be more than glad to help you out if I can. I am NOT a lawyer, but I have worked for one for pretty much my entire adult life. :o I am not sure how much the filing fee will be but it is something to consider..if it is too much, it just might not be worth it. :sorry:

[Andromeda]

I am not sure how much the filing fee will be but it is something to consider..if it is too much, it just might not be worth it. :sorry:

I don't think the filing fee is more than $50-60 US. If the loonie remains as high as it is right now, that won't be a problem. It's the rest (time away from work, transportation, accommodation, etc.) that's going to kill me.

The alternative is simply to give up and let her get away with it, but I can't do that...I honestly believe she'll put others through this. Not like I can stop her doing it, but at least if I take her to court and win there'll be enough legal documentation to prove a history of fraud if someone else tries to get their due from her through the legal system.

To date my complaint has not been posted on the BBB website as I thought it would have been...I went to the website to check it out and there was nothing there under the name Designs By Bear. I suppose they're waiting for her to respond or they plan to close the file before they post it.

[DeeGeMe]

she has already gotten away with this before apparently. And I imagne she will keep getting away with it. Although I think threads like this are very helpful in identifying who to steer away from when trying to buy Stevie/FM-related things. I got hosed big time by someone on Ebay who is a trader in FM/Stevie things and I know I'll never buy from them ever again.

[Andromeda]

she has already gotten away with this before apparently. And I imagne she will keep getting away with it. Although I think threads like this are very helpful in identifying who to steer away from when trying to buy Stevie/FM-related things. I got hosed big time by someone on Ebay who is a trader in FM/Stevie things and I know I'll never buy from them ever again.

Problem is, there isn't a lot of visibility for threads like this, especially if you're an outsider or someone new to the FM/SN world. I stumbled across this thread by chance (and a year too late to spare myself and my family a lot of frustration).

[Andromeda]

No wonder she changed her company name to "Designs By Bear"! There are two complaints against her with the BBB under the company name "Brandi's Dream". She couldn't be bothered to reply in either case.

Still no sign of the complaint I filed against her. I'm going to have another little chat with the BBB representative who's handling my complaint.

[Enchanted_Stevi]

I bought a few things from her....the 1st thing took like 7 months to get a top, 2 skirts and a shawl...when she said it would take a month...I sent her many many many E~mails in which she never answered....I got my stuff like a couple days before X~mas....I would buy stuff from Timeless Barbara....her store is called Enchanted Mirror She is also a very close freind of mine....I've gotten a few things from her and they are EXCELLENT quality and she REALLY cares about her costomers

[[email protected]]

Hi Caitlin!
Thank you very much :)
I do love making beautiful things for people, and I hope everyone
that ordered from Bear does get their purchases.
I popped over here for a hello, since the 7W is no more for me :)
Too strange how all that happened...
Love, Barbara

I bought a few things from her....the 1st thing took like 7 months to get a top, 2 skirts and a shawl...when she said it would take a month...I sent her many many many E~mails in which she never answered....I got my stuff like a couple days before X~mas....I would buy stuff from Timeless Barbara....her store is called Enchanted Mirror She is also a very close freind of mine....I've gotten a few things from her and they are EXCELLENT quality and she REALLY cares about her costomers

[JazmenFlowers]

I wish someone would just give her a good, swift kick in the ass and get it over with for doing this to (apparently) so many fans.

[JazmenFlowers]

I just don't understand why she doesn't refund the money
if she doesn't have time to for fill the orders, or just DO the orders,
and send them, if 6 months later, is better than doing nothing???
Barbara
you would think, right?

who knows. I can't understand the way some people's minds work. and she obviously doesn't care that her reputation is being ripped worse than snagged chiffon.

[kathy1]

hi barbara it's nice to see you here? will you ever go back to the other board if they wanted you to come back. kathy

[kathy1]

i finally made it to senior ledgie. kathy

[[email protected]]

LOL thank you for the hello.
Why would I go "back" somewhere that banned me for NO reason?
I think not. xoxo Barbara


hi barbara it's nice to see you here? will you ever go back to the other board if they wanted you to come back. kathy

[[email protected]]

DAMN!
I hate snagged chiffon!
LOL. How are you doing tonight Jazz?
Love your new "My Space" pics by the way,
you look SO great.
Barbara


you would think, right?

who knows. I can't understand the way some people's minds work. and she obviously doesn't care that her reputation is being ripped worse than snagged chiffon.

[Andromeda]

I'm going to have a friend of mine send Bear an email or two concerning her reputation. If she bothers to respond, the answer might be interesting...

[Sahara]

I'm going to have a friend of mine send Bear an email or two concerning her reputation. If she bothers to respond, the answer might be interesting...
I did something similar when she wouldn't answer my emails -- sent a query from a different email address, to see if she would answer it, which she did within hours. I thought it was really lousy -- let us know how you get on with that!

[Andromeda]

I did something similar when she wouldn't answer my emails -- sent a query from a different email address, to see if she would answer it, which she did within hours. I thought it was really lousy -- let us know how you get on with that!

I actually tried that at first from a separate address but she never bothered to reply. I had to get a friend who uses a separate email provider to write her before I had any response. The email asking her about her tattered reputation was sent a few minutes ago. I'll check back before I go to work, see if she bothered to reply.

[Andromeda]

No word from Bear yet but a small piece of good news...

I got the BBB to combine the reports for Brandi's Dream and Designs by Bear. Now anyone who looks up Designs by Bear will see the two unresolved complaints against her. No word on my own complaint yet...

[gypsywoman]

[email protected] She will answer this emial address

[Sahara]

No word from Bear yet but a small piece of good news...

I got the BBB to combine the reports for Brandi's Dream and Designs by Bear. Now anyone who looks up Designs by Bear will see the two unresolved complaints against her. No word on my own complaint yet...
Nice one! We'll keep hoping. :D

[[email protected]]

You can always hope.
I would find it hard to be Positive tho, with all the bad
past history of people NEVER getting their stuff...that stinks...

[kathy1]

i sent her an email just to say hi but she didn't answer it.

[belladonnadream]

I ordered pictures from her off ebay in like January 2007~ it took like 2 and 1/2 monthes to get them~ but I do like the product~ hated the wait!
jenni

[Livia]

2 months later and I finally got a refund from my own nightmare with a deadbeat Ebayer - you wouldn't believe the runaround talk and bs this beeyotch put me through. Some of our emails are pretty amusing, actually. I quoted Judge Judy. :lol:

I still don't know if Visa was responsible for getting my refund, or if the Ebay beeyotch finally caved under my relentless pressure - and just didn't bother to give me the satisfaction of telling me that she was reversing the credit card charge. All I know is I logged into my credit card account last night, just to check when my next payment is due, and I saw the charge reversal, dated 7/1/07. I still think I'll report her to the BBB.

[kathy1]

i am glad that you got your refund back.

[Starling]

Anyone know her eBay user ID?

Also, I tried her email address that is on the previous page and it got bounced back to me as undeliverable. I've no idea what has happened and why she's become this way. This was not the Bear that I thought I knew many years ago.

[Andromeda]

I got a reply to that email my friend sent her. Bear admitted to having "problems" with her business for an undisclosed period of time but claims she's now up and running and all is business as usual. Certainly can't be bothered to catch up with the backlog, can she?

Listen to this (direct from her reply):

"I've been in business for 11 years and have had probably a few thousand
satisfied customers/orders. It's so easy for a few people to complain, and
rightfully so, when things did go wrong for me, and then what you don't
hear are all the people that are thrilled with my work, or that posted a
complaint and then their order was completed and sent and they ended up
satisfied, but never posted the conclusion. After I was featured on VH-1 I
had people post stories online about meeting me at concerts etc., that were completely false, when I had never even met them. I stopped going to forums because it was just upsetting to me and I don't need that kind of
thing in my life."

Awww....poor baby....there, there, I know. The truth hurts.

[Andromeda]

Also, I tried her email address that is on the previous page and it got bounced back to me as undeliverable.

Her email address is still the same - [email protected]. There's a minor spelling error in the address posted on the previous page.

[Sahara]

I got a reply to that email my friend sent her. Bear admitted to having "problems" with her business for an undisclosed period of time but claims she's now up and running and all is business as usual. Certainly can't be bothered to catch up with the backlog, can she?

Listen to this (direct from her reply):

"I've been in business for 11 years and have had probably a few thousand
satisfied customers/orders. It's so easy for a few people to complain, and
rightfully so, when things did go wrong for me, and then what you don't
hear are all the people that are thrilled with my work, or that posted a
complaint and then their order was completed and sent and they ended up
satisfied, but never posted the conclusion. After I was featured on VH-1 I
had people post stories online about meeting me at concerts etc., that were completely false, when I had never even met them. I stopped going to forums because it was just upsetting to me and I don't need that kind of
thing in my life."

Awww....poor baby....there, there, I know. The truth hurts.

In fairness there probably is a little bit of truth in that but it's not the time to make excuses when "things are going wrong". In this discussion we _have_ had plenty of stories from people who were delighted with their orders, and if you are a solid seller you'll earn a solid reputation from your clients, whatever about random people posting stories about you.

[Andromeda]

I still don't know if Visa was responsible for getting my refund, or if the Ebay beeyotch finally caved under my relentless pressure - and just didn't bother to give me the satisfaction of telling me that she was reversing the credit card charge. All I know is I logged into my credit card account last night, just to check when my next payment is due, and I saw the charge reversal, dated 7/1/07. I still think I'll report her to the BBB.

Do it. I'd be willing to bet money she's done this to others and will continue to do it in the future. It's amazing how easy it is to get away with something like that...just stall and talk circles around the client until they give up.

Congratulations on your hard-won victory!

[Starling]

In fairness there probably is a little bit of truth in that but it's not the time to make excuses when "things are going wrong". In this discussion we _have_ had plenty of stories from people who were delighted with their orders, and if you are a solid seller you'll earn a solid reputation from your clients, whatever about random people posting stories about you.


Then let's hope things are on the up and up! Then all's well will end well, too.

[Andromeda]

If this were a trial, her thousands of satisfied customers could be given as a reason for mitigation at the sentencing hearing - but they would not change the fact that a crime had taken place. The facts of the case are these: she accepted money from me in exchange for goods. She never sent me the goods. She won't send the money back - won't even talk to me anymore.

It takes a lifetime to build a solid reputation. And you're right, a few random stories aren't usually enough to destroy it. But what about the stories that are true? Do a large number of good reviews automatically negate a smaller number of bad ones?

As I see it, she brought this on herself. If she wasn't willing or able to do the work she shouldn't have accepted the order in the first place. If she found herself unwilling or unable to do the work after accepting the money she should have refunded it. She chose to stiff me, give me the runaround and then ignore me altogether. These are not the actions of a good businesswoman. Maybe she was an excellent service provider in the past. That doesn't change what she's doing now.

[Sahara]

These are not the actions of a good businesswoman. Maybe she was an excellent service provider in the past. That doesn't change what she's doing now.

Amen. She shouldn't cry pity on you; she should simply put things to right.
Let's hope she does!! :thumbsup:

[Haunted_Song]

I got a reply to that email my friend sent her. Bear admitted to having "problems" with her business for an undisclosed period of time but claims she's now up and running and all is business as usual. Certainly can't be bothered to catch up with the backlog, can she?

Yeah...I paid the price for ordering from her while she must have been having her "problems" several years back -- to the tune of $200! I would have understood if she couldn't complete the order, or if it was going to be delayed, but she never even replied to any of my e-mails. It wasn't cool that she stole my money. :distress:

[Haunted_Song]

I agree.
I find that certain things people order from me do end up, sometimes, taking longer than I had thought, BUT, I answer each and every eMail right away,
and I also explain what is going on, and a time frame for whatever it is.
Everyone gets busy, and can get behind, but to take so many people's money and never send out anything is not an option.
No one could ever claim I don't reply to their questions, I offer a email and phone # to contact.
Any reputable business should do that,
and the only reason they wouldn't, is to scam people.
That is such a shame.

The Enchanted Mirror Store (http://www.enchantedmirror.com)
Custom made Stevie Nicks Finery.
Clothing, jewelry and much more.

I'm ordering from YOU next time, Barbara!!! :nod:

[Sahara]

I find that certain things people order from me do end up, sometimes, taking longer than I had thought, BUT, I answer each and every eMail right away,
and I also explain what is going on, and a time frame for whatever it is.
Everyone gets busy, and can get behind, but to take so many people's money and never send out anything is not an option.
No one could ever claim I don't reply to their questions, I offer a email and phone # to contact.


I'll vouch for you on this :)

[Sahara]

I often think I'd love to go into this sort of business. I make my own shawls, legwarmers, skirts and blouses and other bits and pieces like that, for myself and my friends, it's a fun hobby for me and the result is usually pretty eye-catching if not completely professional! Looking at your site, Barbara, and Bear's, I used to kind of go, "Pfft, those shawls coudln't possibly cost that much" but since I've started doing my own I've discovered they're not as outrageously priced as I first thought; even with half-decent fabric my own shawls have cost me upwards of €50 and €60, mostly on fringe. I hate buying fringe!! :o There are few decent places in Ireland to get a good variety of colours so I've had to reallly scour online for it, and I begrudge paying so much for it.

So yes, maybe one day I'll join the competition :p You must really love your work, it sounds like a dream job to me. :)

[[email protected]]

I often think I'd love to go into this sort of business. I make my own shawls, legwarmers, skirts and blouses and other bits and pieces like that, for myself and my friends, it's a fun hobby for me and the result is usually pretty eye-catching if not completely professional! Looking at your site, Barbara, and Bear's, I used to kind of go, "Pfft, those shawls coudln't possibly cost that much" but since I've started doing my own I've discovered they're not as outrageously priced as I first thought; even with half-decent fabric my own shawls have cost me upwards of €50 and €60, mostly on fringe. I hate buying fringe!! :o There are few decent places in Ireland to get a good variety of colours so I've had to reallly scour online for it, and I begrudge paying so much for it.

So yes, maybe one day I'll join the competition :p You must really love your work, it sounds like a dream job to me. :)

Yes, it is the fringe that drives most of the shawl and cape prices up, that stuff is outrageous, LOL!
If you wouldn't mind, I would love to see some of your creations!
Do you have any photos I could see?
That's cool that you do the legwarmers, too, that was one of the first things I made (simply because you could not find the gathered up velvet ones ANYWHERE on the planet!) and I did them the best I could, but worked on the method and finally figured out how to get them done the right way.
I love putting the zippers in, makes them really easy to get on and off.
Well, let me rephrase, I don't love PUTTING them in, I love when they ARE in, LOL.
I agree, that most people probably think some prices are high, but for good material, nice fringe, and the equipment (sewing machines, sergers, etc) to put it all together, + time and concept (I draw all my own patterns) it really isn't that bad. I know I used to pay a lot for anything that resembled a Stevie piece, as it was so rare, and cool pieces were coveted.
Now, I rarely buy any clothes anymore, other than sweat pants, tshirts, etc. as for skirts, capes, tops, etc. for my shows, I just make a fresh batch, LOL.
You are right, I really DO love what I do. Sometimes it is stressful, (deadlines to complete orders for concert goers, gifts, etc) but I have to sit back and remember how lucky I am for the opportunity to be ABLE to create these beautiful things for everyone....and I have worked for other people since I was 14. Now, I am able to work for myself, at home, and make beautiful things for Stevie fans, and you are right, it IS a "dream job".
I wish you luck if you decide to start selling, and I am happy to answer any questions you may have about clothing design, too.
And I would love pics of your finery, if you have them available?

The Enchanted Mirror Store (http://www.enchantedmirror.com)

[Sahara]

Yes, it is the fringe that drives most of the shawl and cape prices up, that stuff is outrageous, LOL!
If you wouldn't mind, I would love to see some of your creations!
Do you have any photos I could see?

Wow, praise from Caesar!! Haha, thanks, I'll try and take a few and post them.

That's cool that you do the legwarmers, too, that was one of the first things I made (simply because you could not find the gathered up velvet ones ANYWHERE on the planet!) and I did them the best I could, but worked on the method and finally figured out how to get them done the right way.

Legwarmers took me ages to get my head around, my method is awkward as all hell and it's all done by hand, which is long winded and leaves my fingers aching, but it's well worth it in the end.

I love putting the zippers in, makes them really easy to get on and off.

Where do the zippers go? Sorry, I know that sounds like a stupid question :lol: but I've never even thought of putting zippers in mine! Just elastic at the knee, usually.

I wish you luck if you decide to start selling, and I am happy to answer any questions you may have about clothing design, too.

Thanks! I may well contact you at some stage about my techniques, which at the moment are basically, er, The Kathryn School of Make-It-Up-As-You-Go-Along!

Cheers!

[[email protected]]

Wow, praise from Caesar!! Haha, thanks, I'll try and take a few and post them.



Legwarmers took me ages to get my head around, my method is awkward as all hell and it's all done by hand, which is long winded and leaves my fingers aching, but it's well worth it in the end.



Where do the zippers go? Sorry, I know that sounds like a stupid question :lol: but I've never even thought of putting zippers in mine! Just elastic at the knee, usually.



Thanks! I may well contact you at some stage about my techniques, which at the moment are basically, er, The Kathryn School of Make-It-Up-As-You-Go-Along!

Cheers!

Oh goodie, I will love to see the pics!
Zippers go on the inside seam, like Stevie's (of course I cannot find a pic showing this when I want it) you don't need zippers, they just make it look neat, and go over boots with a bit of ease, and I like to add little moon or penguin charms to the zipper pulls for cuteness, LOL.
Make it up as you go, nothing wrong with that, as long as it turns out as you dreamed it up!
Just let me know if you want any tips or stuff, I think it would be cool for you to sell your stuff, as a lot of people would probably like to order locally than have to pay higher shipping from the US to order from me :)
There is always room for more beautiful finery...
All the best, from "Caesar" (that was funny!)

[Andromeda]

The complaint I filed with the BBB is closed. No response given (not like I expected anything else) and she's now got three complaints on her record (for all the good they'll do).

That friend of mine is going to send Bear one last email in a couple of days, tearing her a new one for all the aggravation she's given me. We'll see what happens (given her history, probably nothing - or some self-serving b.s. "Oh pity me, I'm all alone and can't cope" defence).

[gypsywoman]

Anyone know her eBay user ID?

Also, I tried her email address that is on the previous page and it got bounced back to me as undeliverable. I've no idea what has happened and why she's become this way. This was not the Bear that I thought I knew many years ago.

http://www.designsbybear.com/

[Andromeda]

My friend sent that email to Bear early this morning. We have a friendly little wager going - if I win (Bear doesn't respond) she owes me 50 plus a new copy of Bella Donna (she's still denying that she scratched mine). If she wins (Bear actually responds, in which case I collapse from shock) I buy the drinks on her next birthday. We'll know who won in the next three days.

[Andromeda]

No response. Looks like I win.

Drat. Being stonewalled sucks.

Oh well. I can plan my next move while breaking in my new copy of Bella Donna.

[[email protected]]

No response. Looks like I win.

Drat. Being stonewalled sucks.

Oh well. I can plan my next move while breaking in my new copy of Bella Donna.

Somehow I knew you would "win"...at least you got the fifty + Bella Donna.
If you make enough bets, maybe you can recoup all of the money you
paid for your outfits? Sorry to hear you are not getting them...
but not surprised.

[Andromeda]

Somehow I knew you would "win"...at least you got the fifty + Bella Donna.
If you make enough bets, maybe you can recoup all of the money you
paid for your outfits? Sorry to hear you are not getting them...
but not surprised.

The money is losing its place as the main issue here. Between my jobs I've made enough to recoup the loss. Don't get me wrong - I still want it back. I'd also like the money spent on long-distance calls trying to track her down and report her to the various companies and law-enforcement officials. And I wouldn't say no to a little extra for the aggravation.

What I'd like to do in the interim is tie a tin can to the tail of the kite - to put bells on the scarlet woman so that all will hear her coming and know who and what she is. But how to go about this...I've already had her BBB file updated, for all the good *that* did...

Any ideas?

[GODDESS6]

For those who have ordered and not gotten your stuff from Bear,
she has some clothing and photos up on eBay:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZdesignsbybear
Don't know if she will reply, but there is a way to ask about your stuff?

Barbara

i just bought an original lavendar bella donna tour shirt from bear off of ebay like 2 days ago, & she responded to me:shrug:~

OT: barb, i ordered my poster from herbie on wed, do you know how long it will take to ship, do you know of they are ready or still being printed?~ thanx~

[JazmenFlowers]

damn. if I thought my thunder thighs would fit into that Rhiannon outfit, I'd buy it. that's an awesome creation.

ETA: it's not necessary to PM me about my thunder thighs. it's an inside joke.

[DeeGeMe]

I found this guy on Ebay: http://stores.ebay.com/Shanghai-Tailor_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZQ2d33QQftidZ2QQtZkm

The store is called "Shanghai Tailor" and I've ordered several shawls/wraps/coats from him in the past. Really nice quality, very beautiful, and suprisingly affordable considering. And a quick-ship too as I recall. It's been about 2 years since I last ordered anything from him. Lots of very "Stevie-ish" things there, check out the capes and the Dusters too.

[JazmenFlowers]

I found this guy on Ebay: http://stores.ebay.com/Shanghai-Tailor_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZQ2d33QQftidZ2QQtZkm

The store is called "Shanghai Tailor" and I've ordered several shawls/wraps/coats from him in the past. Really nice quality, very beautiful, and suprisingly affordable considering. And a quick-ship too as I recall. It's been about 2 years since I last ordered anything from him. Lots of very "Stevie-ish" things there, check out the capes and the Dusters too.
very pretty things for sure!

[Andromeda]

For those who have ordered and not gotten your stuff from Bear,
she has some clothing and photos up on eBay:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZdesignsbybear
Don't know if she will reply, but there is a way to ask about your stuff?

Barbara

Thank you for the heads-up!

[[email protected]]

I found this guy on Ebay: http://stores.ebay.com/Shanghai-Tailor_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZQ2d33QQftidZ2QQtZkm

The store is called "Shanghai Tailor" and I've ordered several shawls/wraps/coats from him in the past. Really nice quality, very beautiful, and suprisingly affordable considering. And a quick-ship too as I recall. It's been about 2 years since I last ordered anything from him. Lots of very "Stevie-ish" things there, check out the capes and the Dusters too.

He is such a nice guy!
I have gotten some beautiful things from me, and he always says, "thank you Stevie Nicks" (he knows I am a fan) hahaha. Great stuff there!

[DeeGeMe]

And he's a suprisingly quick-ship considering he's half-way around the world. Plus the items are good quality, beautiful, and reasonably priced. We can't be the only ones who order from him--take a look at his Ebay numbers!

[Andromeda]

After weeks and weeks of nothing even resembling progress....tiny, delicate glimmering threads (I dare not call them hope lest they shatter and crumble like their predecessors) appear to emerge from the darkness.

Ah....I'm starting to wax poetic. A definite sign that I've been up too long.

To sleep, perchance to dream...

"If we shadows have offended,/Think but this, and all is mended,/That you have but slumber'd here,/While these visions did appear,/And this weak and idle theme,/No more yielding than a dream..."

Maybe I'll be lucky and the last year and a half will have been naught but a dream....and maybe one day we'll have an honest government, and cats will fly of their own accord, and I'll be able to carry a harp on the back of a Harley...sorry. Fatigue and bitterness are not a good mix.

[Andromeda]

One thread is dust....I tried talking to the eBay security people - telling them what Bear has put me through. They sent me a very polite, sympathetic letter blowing me off. Not that I expected much else. What can they do, really? Even less than the Better Business Bureau.

[DeeGeMe]

Ban her ass from PayPal or Ebay for good for starters? That would be a good start. But they are afraid they won't be able to collect on her listing fees, etc. and that's the problem with Ebay and PayPal. Grrrrr.

[Andromeda]

Ban her ass from PayPal or Ebay for good for starters? That would be a good start. But they are afraid they won't be able to collect on her listing fees, etc. and that's the problem with Ebay and PayPal. Grrrrr.

They won't do that. Ebay basically said (but in a polite, sympathetic way) "Sucks to be you. We created a forum but according to our own policies we can't monitor it." I can ask for her to be banned but because she didn't rip me off through their site they won't do it. It's my word against hers and they're just not interested.

As for PayPal.....God, just to get through to them is a hassle. I talked to them a number of times earlier this year, trying to get information. All they would give me is a "customer service number" for Bear which turned out to be a cell phone that didn't receive incoming calls. I called them back and told them that - they said they'd look into it (suuuuuure they will). I haven't heard a peep out of them from that day to this.

[Andromeda]

I've just contacted her directly through eBay....let's see what she says (if anything).

[Starling]

I've just contacted her directly through eBay....let's see what she says (if anything).

I hope you have some luck with this. It seems she's written you off and is trying to ignore you as best as possible. She won't repsond to me either though my situation is not as dire as yours. Maybe she'll fix things with you...let's hope so!

[David]

Someone I know, named Kim E., had a hell of a time trying to get the clothes she ordered from Bear. Years dragged on & no word from Bear. You can't take people's money & take your little ol' time without communicating.

[Haunted_Song]

I don't know how she sleeps at night. She has STOLEN from many people (including me!) by taking their money and not sending the orders. Bad karma there... :distress:

[Starling]

I don't know how she sleeps at night. She has STOLEN from many people (including me!) by taking their money and not sending the orders. Bad karma there... :distress:


I'm sorry you've had a negative experience with her, too. I just emailed her via eBay and requested she remove me from her website as a link. I've had several emails, from her customers, thinking that I ran toe to toe with here, whereas, I don't know her very well and we never communicate and haven't for years! I don't want to be associated with this kind of business practice. It's a shame!

[DeeGeMe]

Bad karma for sure. But she sure has bilked a lot of innocent people out of their hard-earned cash. Have some of you thought about contacting the police or sheriff's department in the area she lives in? It's time to pursue legal measures against her or anyone who rips off fans this way.

[Andromeda]

Bad karma for sure. But she sure has bilked a lot of innocent people out of their hard-earned cash. Have some of you thought about contacting the police or sheriff's department in the area she lives in? It's time to pursue legal measures against her or anyone who rips off fans this way.

I've already tried talking to them (the Georgia state police) - I asked if there was a statute of limitations on filing fraud charges. The first officer I spoke to didn't think so, but she wasn't sure so I got passed from department to department and was finally told to call a law library. I've been looking into filing charges in small-claims court for months now. I only wish I could do it from here - so far as I know Canada doesn't have the jurisdiction to go after her (bloody typical) or something to that effect. I was left with the understanding that if I want to sue her I have to actually do it in Decatur.

Are there enough of us out there to band together for a class-action lawsuit? How many do you need for something like that? Or can that only be done against corporations? I checked months ago - she's an unincorporated business.

[DeeGeMe]

Okay, I'm no legal expert but this is what I know about local law enforcement agencies. Typically, the local officers investigate a crime initially. That would be either the County Sheriff's Office or Police Department in the City where she lives. If she lives outside the city limits, then the city police wouldn't do you any good but the Sheriff's Office covers the entire county that she lives in and they could pursue this. Tell them you want to speak to someone in Investigations. Tell them it involves mail/wire fraud (specifically, internet fraud). Typically, the State Police agencies within each state investigate crimes that have been turned over to them by the local agencies so they aren't the first-responders in an area which may explain why you got bounced around the Georgia State Police when you called, they are usually called in by local police to assist in investigations, etc. not do the initial investigations.

[Andromeda]

Okay, I'm no legal expert but this is what I know about local law enforcement agencies. Typically, the local officers investigate a crime initially. That would be either the County Sheriff's Office or Police Department in the City where she lives. If she lives outside the city limits, then the city police wouldn't do you any good but the Sheriff's Office covers the entire county that she lives in and they could pursue this. Tell them you want to speak to someone in Investigations. Tell them it involves mail/wire fraud (specifically, internet fraud). Typically, the State Police agencies within each state investigate crimes that have been turned over to them by the local agencies so they aren't the first-responders in an area which may explain why you got bounced around the Georgia State Police when you called, they are usually called in by local police to assist in investigations, etc. not do the initial investigations

I'll have a bash at it but would they even bother looking into it at this stage? In my case I'm ten days shy of it being a full sixteen months since she first ripped me off. For at least one of the others here it's been years.

[DeeGeMe]

Okay--this is what I found with a quick Google search: The statute of limitations for misdemeanors is 2 years.The statute of limitations for other felonies is four years.

[Andromeda]

I called the Decatur police. They put me through to the 911 emergency administrative line, took a few details and said they'd have someone call me back for a full statement. We'll see what, if anything, happens.

[kathy1]

good luck i hope you get your stuff.

[Andromeda]

One full week and no word yet from the Decatur Police. They were supposed to call me for my statement. I'm not calling them back. They'll just bounce me around the departments again. I found a few email addresses on their website I can try.

At this point I can't see this coming to anything more than a Pyrrhic victory, even if the police do take action against Bear. I should have just broken out the primitive lighting equipment and old-fashioned farm implements and stormed her little suburban fortress.

[kathy1]

i hope everything works out for you.

[GODDESS6]

i hope everything works out for you.

i do too~ i have always been lucky to do wonderful business w/ bear when buying stevie collectibles from her, i have never had her custom make me anything & it makes me sad that people have had trouble w/ her in that regards~

[Tango]

I called the Decatur police. They put me through to the 911 emergency administrative line, took a few details and said they'd have someone call me back for a full statement. We'll see what, if anything, happens.

Pip put up a great video on the Chat board about Judge Judy. I imagine there's a waiting list, but she definitely took a hard line on eBay fraud.

[Andromeda]

There's been a small snag in regards to the police report and so once again I'm on my own....

A Hail Mary play is all I have left...

[kathy1]

good luck.

[Andromeda]

Does this count as progress?

I've recently been informed that I *do* have grounds to sue Bear in my home province, though the lady I spoke to didn't think it'd be worth the effort as there's no real way of making Bear pay. She thinks the Decatur Police might be the better way to go.

I'm going to contact a lawyer to discuss the next move...

[petep9000]

Go get her. Punish her, and make her pay. AFAIC, the penalty for cheating another Stevie fan is no less than death itself..

[Sahara]

Best of luck :xoxo: Keep us updated!

[queenfifi]

I ordered my outfit from bear in Jan boy what a mistake. I have turned her into the bbb and the FBI internet fraud this is getting old I wish I would have seen this before I ordered from her

[bellagypsy79]

Bear does beautiful work. After it was featured on VH1 FanClub, however, I think she was flooded with orders and just couldn't keep up with the incredible demand. At the time, I believe it was just her making everything from scratch. Not sure how she's doing now, as I've lost touch. But she could have made a great living had she been more organized and hired a small staff to handle some of the administrative duties, such as processing orders and fielding customer questions.


Yeah well, when this Bear girl was on that show, she told everyone on camera that it takes her about a day or two to get a whole outfit done. If that's true, then her mind is long gone....I think it's terrible that she keeps people waiting on their outfits, and to top it off she's charging a hell of a lotta money! I think the wise thing to do is to take her to small claims court and get your money back. What Bear needs to do is act like a buisness woman and to answer one email at a time to tell people when it will be done, then she should take a picture of what it looks like when it's done, then people should send her the money for it, and then she should send everyone their package. That's what I would do. One order at a time and to always keep in touch. But what she's doing is booking a whole bunch of orders at the same time and charging people at the same time and making one item of clothing at the same time. That's problably why it's taking so long. But I would consider suing her for the money that you've sent her and keep your bank and credit card statements to prove that you've been charged, and you've never recieved it. Also keep your emails she's sent you. I watch enough Judge Judy to know what to do. LOL! Judge Judy Rocks!;):thumbsup:

[Enchanted_Stevi]

I ordered an outfit from her..a few years ago...took 8 months for it to be mailed to me
I will NEVER order from her again...She never emailed me back
I'll get my Stevie stuff from Barbara for now on!

[Haunted_Song]

It's been about 5 years...and I'm still waiting for the outfit I ordered from her!!! I highly recommend that you do not deal with her. Although she is talented, she is a horrible business person and rips off many of her customers. :distress:

[Angel69]

It's been about 5 years...and I'm still waiting for the outfit I ordered from her!!! :distress:



Five Years! You could have gotten a doctorate in Psychology faster! This is really pitiful. How much money did you send her? And the fact that she was on that show a few years back hawking her merchandise makes it even worse. I say all you guys get together and go look for her! Im serious all of you get together, fly to her town and canvas the trailer parks. And when you find her you should tar, feather and brand her! Brandie's Dream my ass. I can't see how she sleeps at night let alone dream.

[bellagypsy79]

THAT'S FUNNY!:laugh:

[Andromeda]

I ordered my outfit from bear in Jan boy what a mistake. I have turned her into the bbb and the FBI internet fraud this is getting old I wish I would have seen this before I ordered from her

I'm sorry to have to welcome you to the club. May you have better luck than I in recouping your loss.

[Andromeda]

My own complaint has disappeared from the BBB website...what happens to the latest one if nothing else is posted in the next 36 months? Does her rating improve? If so, there should be another way to warn the public about the potential hazards of dealing with this woman.

[DeeGeMe]

Unfortunately, just because someone professes to be a Stevie/FM fan doesn't mean they are an ethical business person. I had an unfortunate business transaction with a well-known Stevie fan on ebay who sold me an overpriced item which contained gross errors in its description. At least I know to never buy from them ever again. I would say the same holds for "Bear" from everything I've heard/read about her here.

[Sorceress]

I watch enough Judge Judy to know what to do. LOL! Judge Judy Rocks!;):thumbsup:

Going on Judge Judy is an excellent idea. The producers might enjoy the topic of the complaint. You could probably really get on the show. Of course, Bear would have to agree. But imagine the pulicity it would get her! Probably tons more orders. :laugh:

[Andromeda]

Do they try out-of-state cases on shows like that? I thought Judge Judy held court in New York. Bear conducts her transactions (legitimate and otherwise) from Decatur, Georgia. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't try an international case like mine...and unfortunately there is no Canadian equivalent of the formidable Judge Judy.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Do they try out-of-state cases on shows like that? I thought Judge Judy held court in New York. Bear conducts her transactions (legitimate and otherwise) from Decatur, Georgia. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't try an international case like mine...and unfortunately there is no Canadian equivalent of the formidable Judge Judy.

As far as I know Judge Judy is filmed in LA. She does out of state cases but not sure about Canada though

[Andromeda]

I suppose I'll have to settle for provincial small-claims court...almost a pity. It would be nice to see this woman exposed on national television...probably the only way to warn the public at large.

[queenfifi]

It took me 4 years to save up for this outfit next time I will save up for Linda I have even tried from another computer with a new e-mail and nothing from her

[kathy1]

i can't believe people are still waiting for their stuff.

[kathy1]

i emailed her once to ask her something i don't remember what it was about but she never answered me. so i guess i know how you all feel about not getting the things you ordered from her. i also can't believe that she still has a business.

[ShatteringGlass]

Hello Everyone~
I'm a newbie, sorry I have to post my first message under such a depressing thread...but today as I checked my email, I found that I had recieved a Paypal refund from Bear! Granted I only ordered a pair of leg warmers, but she gave me a reason of....her having a lot of personal problems as of late and also went on the say that her mom had recently died under very tragic circumstances. :( Perhaps the rest of you will be getting one soon! I will keep my fingers crossed!

[queenfifi]

LOL I GOT THE SAME EMAIL TODAY i ALSO GOT MY MONEY BACK i SENT HER THIS WEBSITE AND TOLD HER 14 PAGES OF UNHAPPY PEOPLE SHE IS A FRAUD SO HOPEFULLY YOU ALL GET A REFUND

GO ME!!!!!!!!!!!

[queenfifi]

This is the funny part about it I got my palpal notice 3 min after I sent her the site It is such a shame that so many people got ripped off I dont want her to go under but dang she needs to be more forthcomeing with things not ignore her coustomers

[ShatteringGlass]

Yeah...I know what you mean....I just wonder if she is only going to refund the small orders...I really can't see her refunding the hundreds of dollars some people have sent her...:distress:

[queenfifi]

well mine order was 171.60 so it wasnt a small order I was just glad to get my money when I get back to work Im going to go thrugh Barb

[queenfifi]

Again, I'm sorry for everything I've put you through by not coming through
on your order. I'm not actually going to be visiting the forum, but I'm
sure I'll get plenty of messages in my e-mail as it is. I've actually been
sending out refunds for the past few days, ever since I got some money
from my mother's estate.

makes you wonder huh

[Andromeda]

I got an email from PayPal too but collecting the refund may prove a little tricky...

I am still angry with Bear. She had more than *two* *years* to finish or refund my order and she did *nothing* but leave me hanging in the dark.

Ah, well. Soon enough this bitter chapter will be closed, and life will spring anew from the scarred and ashen spirit-ground...and I can put the money I 've been setting aside for the lawsuit towards something happier, like that electric harp I've been dreaming of...

I thank you all for your help and support in this trying time...

[Starling]

I have to admit, I'm glad she has responded to some of you. I hope more will follow soon. I feel that she may have gone through something very personal and troubling but I do understand the frustration and anger many of you would feel for the behavior behind it. If she can pay everyone back, while she won't garner much loyal business, at least she can come relatively "square again", by coming through with refunds vs. nothing at all.

[SuzeQuze]

I have to admit, I'm glad she has responded to some of you. I hope more will follow soon. I feel that she may have gone through something very personal and troubling but I do understand the frustration and anger many of you would feel for the behavior behind it. If she can pay everyone back, while she won't garner much loyal business, at least she can come relatively "square again", by coming through with refunds vs. nothing at all.

I often have thought this too. I knew of her online for a long time before this and it seemed so out of character. Perhaps her mom was sick for a while. At any rate, I'm glad she's at least trying to set things right.

[gold-dusted]

Again, I'm sorry for everything I've put you through by not coming through
on your order. I'm not actually going to be visiting the forum, but I'm
sure I'll get plenty of messages in my e-mail as it is. I've actually been
sending out refunds for the past few days, ever since I got some money
from my mother's estate.

makes you wonder huh

???? Are you Bear?? Why are you first talking in third person???

[queenfifi]

that was the email bear sent me i just skipped my name being on it for personal reasons im sure you understand

[GODDESS6]

I often have thought this too. I knew of her online for a long time before this and it seemed so out of character. Perhaps her mom was sick for a while. At any rate, I'm glad she's at least trying to set things right.

i have had nothing but good dealing w/ bear~ i am sorry this happened to some of you~ i was thinking there had to be a reason for all of this~ i hope everyone gets everything resolved~

[gold-dusted]

that was the email bear sent me

Aaah, I understand! Sorry...it first sounded a bit strange to me. I hope that all the people who ordered any outfits from Bear will get their refunds. I never had problems with her and I couldn't have any because I never ordered. Maybe it turns out in a good way.

[Starling]

I often have thought this too. I knew of her online for a long time before this and it seemed so out of character. Perhaps her mom was sick for a while. At any rate, I'm glad she's at least trying to set things right.

I agree! I'm glad she's coming through. It's better late than never and at least she is putting forth an effort to reconcile past damages. I realize that this still may not be comforting to some of you but it's much 'easier' to continue to hide. At any rate, perhaps this will absolve some of the past deeds and for those who get refunded, I'm glad you got your money back!

[Andromeda]

Even in defeat this woman causes me aggravation! You should see the hoops I'm having to jump through just to get a PayPal account in order to retrieve the money. I didn't need one to send the money in the first place. Why they can't just refund it to the credit card and be done with it...ugh. What a headache.

[omigodstevie]

I think it's verrry unfortunate that this thread was started two years ago, and people still had issues with her! Geesh! It really was as simple as just giving people their money back, but this lady must have some serious issues or something.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Even in defeat this woman causes me aggravation! You should see the hoops I'm having to jump through just to get a PayPal account in order to retrieve the money. I didn't need one to send the money in the first place. Why they can't just refund it to the credit card and be done with it...ugh. What a headache.

Paypal will probably charge you to retrieve it too!

[Andromeda]

Paypal will probably charge you to retrieve it too!

Probably, yeah, the way my luck's going these days....

[SuzeQuze]

i have had nothing but good dealing w/ bear~ i am sorry this happened to some of you~ i was thinking there had to be a reason for all of this~ i hope everyone gets everything resolved~

Well for the record, me too, she shipped the two orders I placed in a reasonable time, one even rushed, and I was happy with the clothing. But I wouldn't order again until I know things are straightened out.

[Enchanted_Stevi]

I found her number on whitepages.com
So incase you guys wanna try to call her
Send hate phone calls hahah JUST KIDDING

[queenfifi]

yeap they charge you $1.50 to get a check from them and it takes up to 2 weeks to get it .Im waiting on my check now 1 week down

[Andromeda]

The creeps! They never said I could have them mail it to me. I was about to give them my banking information and have them deposit it directly. I'd sooner pay the $1.50 and wait than give my information to them - God knows where it would end up.

[Msgypsy1959]

I am a seamstress and I looked at her site.A lot of her stuff is sooo over priced.
I saw her at the Gypsy83 movie filming my husband and I went too. No comment.
Her clothes are nice but some of them are eh and cost way too much !

[GlennGlenn]

I am a seamstress and I looked at her site.A lot of her stuff is sooo over priced.
I saw her at the Gypsy83 movie filming my husband and I went too. No comment.
Her clothes are nice but some of them are eh and cost way too much !


You waited 5.5 years for the ONE post and this is it???? :blob2: :]

[Msgypsy1959]

You waited 5.5 years for the ONE post and this is it???? :blob2: :]

I have posted before, a long time ago. I usually just read here to catch up on what I am missing by no longer having the Sara- Rhiannon site .
They just had to reset my account because I couldn't log on no matter what I did to fix it. Anyway why would you even comment on that? Why does it matter to you? :confused: I don't even know you.That is kinda rude. Like I tell my kids,if you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all.

[Phoenix]

I have posted before, a long time ago. I usually just read here to catch up on what I am missing by no longer having the Sara- Rhiannon site .
They just had to reset my account because I couldn't log on no matter what I did to fix it. Anyway why would you even comment on that? Why does it matter to you? :confused: I don't even know you.That is kinda rude. Like I tell my kids,if you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all.

OMG! Was it you who did SaraRhiannon! those were the days! that was amazing.
And GOOD GOD! WHY WONT THIS THREAD DIE!

[Msgypsy1959]

OMG! Was it you who did SaraRhiannon! those were the days! that was amazing.
And GOOD GOD! WHY WONT THIS THREAD DIE!
No I am not Sara.When I said no longer having the site,I meant to go and read talk, etc. Sara was so nice. I wish that site was still up.I miss the people that were on there and the old, old Aol Stevie board.

[vivfox]

I have posted before, a long time ago. I usually just read here to catch up on what I am missing by no longer having the Sara- Rhiannon site .
They just had to reset my account because I couldn't log on no matter what I did to fix it. Anyway why would you even comment on that? Why does it matter to you? :confused: I don't even know you.That is kinda rude. Like I tell my kids,if you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all.

He's rude like that. His signature words about Vivica Fox are highlighted in all his posts just to piss me off. And to prove my point he only started highlighting it AFTER all the fuss in my original VivFox thread that led to some temporary banning.
It's rare to find a positive comment made by this guy.

[Msgypsy1959]

He's rude like that. His signature words about Vivica Fox are highlighted in all his posts just to piss me off. And to prove my point he only started highlighting it AFTER all the fuss in my original VivFox thread that led to some temporary banning.
It's rare to find a positive comment made by this guy.

Ok thank you for letting me know, I appreciate it.
I just saw Vivica Fox on Wendy Williams a few weeks ago. She is really pretty and was funny.

[lilwing80]

Hi, everyone,
I watch the ledge sometimes and I also had trouble getting in for a while. Something about my browser. I just want to say that it's really sad that people are having problems with their orders. I don't know if anyone is aware (???) but Bear has health issues and I really believe she should be honest with everyone and not be taking people's money if she cannot complete the work. I have a whole Rhiannon outfit
from maybe 5 or 6 years ago. It's great but it did take me a good while to get it.. not as long as some of you though. It IS true she is dealing with alot of personal issues, and I understand the health problems she is going through because I have them as well (and Stevie actually has similar problems). However, it's no excuse for taking money and not doing anything about it ....she needs to go on hiatus. People with these sort of health problems sometimes do odd things. I know I can react oddly at times. I hope everything will be worked out soon.

[Newzchspy]

He's rude like that. His signature words about Vivica Fox are highlighted in all his posts just to piss me off. And to prove my point he only started highlighting it AFTER all the fuss in my original VivFox thread that led to some temporary banning.
It's rare to find a positive comment made by this guy.

Really, now that we're mudslinging. I love Stevie, I love this list, I love just everyone!!! :blob2: Nothing bad to say about Bear either having been with her on Enchanted for many many YEARS!! Her stuff was well made and I never had a problem with an order. I Love you too VivFox!!! 27 posts for me in over 6.5 years ain't a bad track record either!!! More of a lurker than a stirrer!!

[Msgypsy1959]

Wow I was not trying to start any drama.All I said was to me some of the womens stuff was over priced. That being said as a fellow seamstress.I do not know her personally so I can not say anything about her as a person.
This is pretty much why I just read and not post. A silly comment about clothing turned in to all of this. Sorry I even said ANYTHING.

[vivfox]

Wow I was not trying to start any drama.All I said was to me some of the womens stuff was over priced. That being said as a fellow seamstress.I do not know her personally so I can not say anything about her as a person.
This is pretty much why I just read and not post. A silly comment about clothing turned in to all of this. Sorry I even said ANYTHING.

You have nothing to apologize for. No one is upset with you. Smile and enjoy your day.

[Msgypsy1959]

You have nothing to apologize for. No one is upset with you. Smile and enjoy your day.

Thanks Vivfox.I hope you have a great day too.