Brokeback Mountain Review and Response

[SapphireSister]

Something weird about my experience watching the movie...I did not shed a single tear. This was bizzare, because I cry rather easily at movies (I'm such a sap).

Same here! (see my previous post). I cry on everything and didn't shed a single tear nor did I feel the need to. I wonder why we didn't?

[Rickypt]

I cry all the time at movies but didn't shed a tear either at BB Mountain. I think it's because it didn't end with typical Hollywood melodrama. The ending was intense, but stark, and affected me differently than bringing out the tears.

[sparky]

How many times have you seen the movie???

In the summer of 1978, I went to my local theater every week day and saw the matinee showing of Grease. I must have seen that thing like 50 times. Are you past ten viewings yet with this one?

I have seen it three times. I am sure I will see it again, but I can't put myself through it again for a bit.

Yeah that's understandable. But I saw it near the Bay Area and was expecting to see some gay support. Anyway, that's not really important I guess. I was just kind of shocked at first.

Something weird about my experience watching the movie...I did not shed a single tear. This was bizzare, because I cry rather easily at movies (I'm such a sap). I was beginning to think something was wrong with me - but after thinking about the film on the drive home, I finally had a nice cry at home

Has anyone else had trouble finding the soundtrack? I'm getting pissed off - no place has it.

I think many homos went and saw it the first few days it was out. There were many more homos there when I saw it the first night.

The first time I saw it, I had a few moments where I almost lost it. At the end, I had to choke back tears. I succeeded, and didn't completely fall apart till I got back to my truck. Like I said before, it haunted me for days afterward, and I find that now I can't hold it together for three bars of the theme. And other than Bambi when I was six, I can only recall one other movie that made me cry as an adult. Hell, yesterday I was so wrecked I even sat through the Rufus Wainwright song at the very end of the credits. That
says volumes about how paralyzed I was.

I found the soundtrack at Borders.

Same here! (see my previous post). I cry on everything and didn't shed a single tear nor did I feel the need to. I wonder why we didn't?

I think the impact of this movie has much to do with the levels of experience on which you can relate to the material and the issues it represents. Also, it was a real creeper in terms of emotional wallop. That has to do with Lee's direction. I don't believe that he tells audiences what to feel. Aside from some very subtle underscoring - Ennis' last lines to Jack in the confrontation scene in particular - he doesn't Speilberg the viewer.

Funny, I am posting a lot on a BBM board and the people this seems to nail to the wall the most are older. Since the characters go through 20 years and it involves marriage, kids, and struggling with trying to navigate a relationship over all that time...I don't know that a 20-30 year old necessarily has that frame of reference. When you are talking about regret and loss, they have much more gravity at 40 or 45 than they do at a much younger age.

I wasn't talking about the movie. I meant in general. I can believe that they loved each other, it's this "one true love" malarkey that i have trouble with.

I would never suggest that there is only one person on earth for any of us to fall in love with and that is it. If that was what you got from my previous post, it wasn't my intent. The movie may concern itself with that in terms of the lives of Jack and Ennis but I don't think that the writers imply a one shot idea either. As far as dealing with the fallout from missing an opportunity, on the other hand, it is not unusual for many people to look back on their lives and be consumed with a stinging sense of regret about one person in particular that only the passage of time has shown them was a real botched chance.

[markolas]

I have seen it three times. I am sure I will see it again, but I can't put myself through it again for a bit.

Gosh, I can't imagine seeing it more than once. It's just too much.

I would never suggest that there is only one person on earth for any of us to fall in love with and that is it. If that was what you got from my previous post, it wasn't my intent. The movie may concern itself with that in terms of the lives of Jack and Ennis but I don't think that the writers imply a one shot idea either. As far as dealing with the fallout from missing an opportunity, on the other hand, it is not unusual for many people to look back on their lives and be consumed with a stinging sense of regret about one person in particular that only the passage of time has shown them was a real botched chance.

You'll have to excuse my recurring bouts of slight bitterness. :)

I completely understand and agree with all of that. I hope I didn't give the impression that I didn't like this movie, because I really did. I can't think of another movie where I couldn't stop thinking about it a couple of days after the fact. The emotional impact does sort of creep up on you.

[AliceLover]

ok I am jumping in on this thread very late and haven't bothered to read the pages but I do have one question.

Did these cowboys happen to eat any pudding in this film?

[markolas]

Did these cowboys happen to eat any pudding in this film?

Is that a euphemism for some sort of sexual act?

[sparky]

ok I am jumping in on this thread very late and haven't bothered to read the pages but I do have one question.

Did these cowboys happen to eat any pudding in this film?

Get yer ass back to South Park, Cartman !

[sparky]

Gosh, I can't imagine seeing it more than once. It's just too much.

There are many reasons I am immersing myself in it. There is so much to absorb, lines that I missed, etc. I bought the screenplay, and already had the story and I am really studying it. The more I study, the more I see. It just so happens that there are some things going on in my life that parallel the story. Ideas about masculinty, companionship, the tone of one's life, making the most of the time you have...these are all on my plate and the movie speaks to them.

You'll have to excuse my recurring bouts of slight bitterness. :)

I completely understand and agree with all of that. I hope I didn't give the impression that I didn't like this movie, because I really did. I can't think of another movie where I couldn't stop thinking about it a couple of days after the fact. The emotional impact does sort of creep up on you.

Yup. It is dense and lingering. You wouldn't believe the stories I have been reading about how this film is dramatically changing the lives of people all over the place.

[SapphireSister]

Sparky you'll be happy to know your film won 3 awards last night at the Critcs' Choice Awards - Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Supporting Actress (Michelle Williams).

[skcin]

The more I study, the more I see. It just so happens that there are some things going on in my life that parallel the story. Ideas about masculinty, companionship, the tone of one's life, making the most of the time you have...these are all on my plate and the movie speaks to them.



Yup. It is dense and lingering. You wouldn't believe the stories I have been reading about how this film is dramatically changing the lives of people all over the place.

Oh my God, you're not thinking about selling your pickup truck, are you? :eek:


:lol:

[dissention]

Sparky you'll be happy to know your film won 3 awards last night at the Critcs' Choice Awards - Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Supporting Actress (Michelle Williams).

I'm disappointed Ledger didn't win, but I was chuffed when I read that Williams won the award jointly with Amy Adams for "Junebug." Have you seen it? It's ****ing fantastic.

[Rickypt]

It's ****ing fantastic.

It is, and Adams is priceless. Hope she gets nominated for an Oscar, although I would be torn between her and Williams.

[sparky]

Oh my God, you're not thinking about selling your pickup truck, are you? :eek:


:lol:


:lol:

Only to buy a newer one. But it is still running like a dream at almost 200k miles..


Sparky you'll be happy to know your film won 3 awards last night at the Critcs' Choice Awards - Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Supporting Actress (Michelle Williams).

I was thrilled. I am thinking about getting cable back just to be able to catch awards season. And I am slamming my friends to get a job on the oscars. Regardless, I am doing a big ass oscar party job already, so I can see it on a live feed in a big theatre.:woohoo:

[AliceLover]

Get yer ass back to South Park, Cartman !
HAHAHHAHAHA I was hoping someone would get it.

+1 to you!

[SapphireSister]

``I'm disappointed Ledger didn't win, but I was chuffed when I read that Williams won the award jointly with Amy Adams for "Junebug." Have you seen it? It's ****ing fantastic.

I noticed Michelle and Amy Adams both won but I'm not familiar with her or Junebug. What is it about?

[sparky]

``

I noticed Michelle and Amy Adams both won but I'm not familiar with her or Junebug. What is it about?

I know nothing about either Adams or Junebug.

[Rickypt]

Junebug is a must for your netflix queue, or other rental. I think it comes out on DVD later in January. I'll let dissention give the summary since he is more eloquent.

[SapphireSister]

Junebug is a must for your netflix queue, or other rental. I think it comes out on DVD later in January. I'll let dissention give the summary since he is more eloquent.

Just added it to the queue.

That's one way to describe our Dissy.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I just saw the movie last night,and I thought it was especially powerful. It was not cliche at all. The actors were really great. The landscapes and emaculate scenery in the film were also impressive. I think the love scenes worked out, and didn't end up awkward. It really paints a different picture of gay people that is often not portrayed in film...these are just two average guys struggling to make it in rural America, living double lives because that's just the way it is...and that in my opinion might actually portray accurately many homosexuals in the country. It kinda shows that they aren't any different than anyone else, and their love is all the same and just as genuine.

I really came out of the movie, with the feeling of seeing a great love story (which I always love), and the emphasis not being that it was a GAY love story...just a love story, of two ppl who loved each other but still lived these "normal" lives and snuck away for this affair..So much in love, in one scene Heath Ledger actually throws up while crying...great movie

Chris

[strandinthewind]

Did anyone catch Larry King last night where the tag line was:

Tonight, the debate over gay love and gay marriage heats up after "Brokeback Mountain's" big night at the Golden Globes. We'll get into it with conservative radio host Janet Parshall; also joining us the openly gay actor Chad Allen; R. Albert Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary; and Guy Padgett, openly gay former mayor of Casper, Wyoming, the city where Matthew Shepard was murdered for being gay and the state where "Brokeback Mountain" is set. It's all next on LARRY KING LIVE.

Here is a link to the transcript - http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/17/lkl.01.html

It was a good show that revealed a little bit of the positive, more accepting light of the effect of this movie on people who otherwise want to preclude anyone from living outside of their warped perception of their religion. I get that these people are still mostly the majority, but the vibe I got was that this movie, even if just a little, is softening that posture in this area.

On edit - it wlways amazes me that people cannot see that having the govt. validate only one aspect of a major religion (not all Christians believe same sex marriage is wrong) is a bad thing. I guess because they are in the majority they cannot see that that sword could cut them as well if they were not in the majority. Thus, I conclude that the best way to deal with this and all religious issues is to keep them out of govt. The govt. should give no automatic benefits for any marriage (hetero, homo, polygamous, etc. ) - marriage should be a solely religious idea and it should stay there. But, the religious zealots need the gvot. to validate their religious ideals - plus, it is one hell of a money maker for them. If you want to fill your church - preach hate.

[strandinthewind]

. . . So much in love, in one scene Heath Ledger actually throws up while crying...great movie

Chris

Seeing as how I have done this as well, I was dumbfounded at that scene and almost ripped the armrest off of the seat I was so tense and moved by it.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Seeing as how I have done this as well, I was dumbfounded at that scene and almost ripped the armrest off of the seat I was so tense and moved by it.

OMG! I only hope that I love THAT much someday...

But yea, that scene was very intense.

[sparky]

Did anyone catch Larry King last night where the tag line was:



Here is a link to the transcript - http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/17/lkl.01.html

It was a good show that revealed a little bit of the positive, more accepting light of the effect of this movie on people who otherwise want to preclude anyone from living outside of their warped perception of their religion. I get that these people are still mostly the majority, but the vibe I got was that this movie, even if just a little, is softening that posture in this area.

On edit - it wlways amazes me that people cannot see that having the govt. validate only one aspect of a major religion (not all Christians believe same sex marriage is wrong) is a bad thing. I guess because they are in the majority they cannot see that that sword could cut them as well if they were not in the majority. Thus, I conclude that the best way to deal with this and all religious issues is to keep them out of govt. The govt. should give no automatic benefits for any marriage (hetero, homo, polygamous, etc. ) - marriage should be a solely religious idea and it should stay there. But, the religious zealots need the gvot. to validate their religious ideals - plus, it is one hell of a money maker for them. If you want to fill your church - preach hate.

I cannot endure watching things like this anymore. And shame on the reptile King for putting those vicious bastards on the air. At this point I hold the media responsible for much of the negativity. They may as well be putting cameras and microphones in psych wards when they let those nasty, raging maniacs on there to spew their filth. They don't let the KKK or the young new Nazis on there very often to rail against blacks and jews, but it is always open season on homos because it makes for a good ugly fight. The media is just hungry for blood and that is nothing new.

[dissention]

I cannot endure watching things like this anymore. And shame on the reptile King for putting those vicious bastards on the air. At this point I hold the media responsible for much of the negativity. They may as well be putting cameras and microphones in psych wards when they let those nasty, raging maniacs on there to spew their filth. They don't let the KKK or the young new Nazis on there very often to rail against blacks and jews, but it is always open season on homos because it makes for a good ugly fight. The media is just hungry for blood and that is nothing new.

Janet ****ing Parshall was on. I would have gagged if my reflexes hadn't been detroyed by the current state of this world.

As for the media perpetuating the negativity, just look at CNN. They just hired Glenn Beck to have his own show.

[sparky]

Seeing as how I have done this as well, I was dumbfounded at that scene and almost ripped the armrest off of the seat I was so tense and moved by it.

As I reread the story I remember being stunned, as I had forgotten the vivid description of this scene. I read a review that found it hard to believe that someone could do that. HA. We know better. I am not particularly HAPPY that I have cried till I was heaving, but it happens.

[strandinthewind]

. . . I am not particularly HAPPY that I have cried till I was heaving, but it happens.

It made me stronger - it made me hold onto me :)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

It made me stronger - it made me hold onto me :)

Thank God I'm not the only one who likes that song....:o

[sparky]

It made me stronger - it made me hold onto me :)

:eek:

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/wuerg/vomit-smiley-015.gif

[markolas]

They don't let the KKK or the young new Nazis on there very often to rail against blacks and jews, but it is always open season on homos because it makes for a good ugly fight. The media is just hungry for blood and that is nothing new.

I was just thinking about that earlier, in regards to this. 15 years ago, all the talk shows regularly had on white supremacists spouting their crap, but you don't see that anymore. But it's still okay to have Christo-cult nutbags on TV to bash gay people. In a way, though, it's worse than the skinheads, because they were portrayed as kind of a freak show anyway. But the anti-gay bigot Christians are portrayed with an air of respectability on these shows, which is reprehensible and unforgivable. Larry King is scum.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

:eek:

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/wuerg/vomit-smiley-015.gif

Why all the hate for this song...I never understood it? :o :o

[sparky]

Why all the hate for this song...I never understood it? :o :o


Bad lyrics. Almost nonexistent melody. A song about writing your own songs that features music written by OTHERS. Need I go on ?

And I have a sensitive gag reflex.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Almost nonexistent melody.

:eek:

Your ears need cleaning out! I might can understand your reasoning on everything else you posted...but this one??!! No way....

[DavidMn]

:eek:

Your ears need cleaning out! I might can understand your reasoning on everything else you posted...but this one??!! No way....C'mon. The man's entitled to his opinion you know.:nod:

[sparky]

:eek:

Your ears need cleaning out! I might can understand your reasoning on everything else you posted...but this one??!! No way....

It's the same seven notes she always sings now, with a descending notes at the end of almost every line. Doesn't go anywhere. :shrug: It bores me.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

It's the same seven notes she always sings now, with a descending notes at the end of almost every line. Doesn't go anywhere. :shrug: It bores me.

Well, to be honest...the chorus is catchy, which is my main reason in defending it.

What can I say...I love songs with great hooks, and I consider this one. :o

But you are correct about the "same seven notes" she is always singing now...I think they are the only seven notes that she can still hit with ease (sometimes).

[strandinthewind]

:eek:

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/wuerg/vomit-smiley-015.gif

I thought you had no gag reflex?

On edit - I see later that it is sensitive - hmmmmmmmmmm

As for that song - the "shadows of my soul to stay back" and the "dreams recur in my solitude" conjur vivid images - but that cannot save that drum looping clunker.

[sparky]

I thought you had no gag reflex?

On edit - I see later that it is sensitive - hmmmmmmmmmm


It took you much longer to jump on that line than I expected.


As for that song - the "shadows of my soul to stay back" and the "dreams recur in my solitude" conjur vivid images - but that cannot save that drum looping clunker.

Yeah, well, the 750th reference to souls, shadows, or dreams kind of fails to register on my radar anymore. But I do like your phrase "drum looping clunker".
That's nice.


BTW, for Tuesday, BBM was #1 AT THE BOX OFFICE. :blob2:

[dissention]

BTW, for Tuesday, BBM was #1 AT THE BOX OFFICE. :blob2:

I just read that on the IMDB. No suprise, really, just look at the **** it's playing against. Glory Road? Last Holiday? How dire.

[strandinthewind]

Last Holiday was cute :shrug:

[dissention]

Last Holiday was cute :shrug:

Cute does not a good movie make. If that kind of stuff is what Hollywood has to offer, they deserve to be saddled with diminishing returns.

I was happy to see Brokeback Mountain in the top five for the weekend, though. It's such a beautiful movie and it makes me happy to see it doing so well.

[strandinthewind]

Cute does not a good movie make . . .

So, you were expecting Taxi Driver :shrug: - he says with his best Brooklyn Jewish accent :laugh:

Bless your heart - it is a popcorn flick never intended to be anything more than that.

[dissention]

So, you were expecting Taxi Driver :shrug: - he says with his best Brooklyn Jewish accent :laugh:

No, I was expecting something watchable. You know, a well-made movie. I love Queen Latifah, but she needs to hire some new management or actually read the scripts she's offered.

[strandinthewind]

No, I was expecting something watchable. You know, a well-made movie. I love Queen Latifah, but she needs to hire some new management or actually read the scripts she's offered.

LOL - your def. of watchable includes "Sideways" - for which you are forever shunned :p :p

[dissention]

LOL - your def. of watchable includes "Sideways" - for which you are forever shunned :p :p

This coming from Mr. Last Holiday. :p

Here is my halfhearted attempt to turn this thread back to the original topic:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/Westwood818/BBM/bm043a.jpg

Yum.

[strandinthewind]

This coming from Mr. Last Holiday. :p

Here is my halfhearted attempt to turn this thread back to the original topic:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/Westwood818/BBM/bm043a.jpg

Yum.

Is that your brown, hairy ear in the bottom, right had corner :woohoo:

If so, it explains the earnest look on HL's face as he is riding :wavey:

[dissention]

Is that your brown, hairy ear in the bottom, right had corner :woohoo:

If so, it explains the earnest look on HL's face as he is riding :wavey:

I can't say that it is, as much as I'd like to be ridden by him. My ears are equally hairy, though much smaller in dimension.

[markolas]

LOL - your def. of watchable includes "Sideways" - for which you are forever shunned :p :p

Why does everyone hate this movie? I loved it. I went to see it with my boyfriend (at the time) and he despised it. I thought it was great. :shrug:

[GODDESS6]

LOL - your def. of watchable includes "Sideways" - for which you are forever shunned :p :p
alexander payne is from my hometown where i live:wavey: ~

[dissention]

Here's a good interview with Ledger that I hadn't read before.

http://www.cinecon.com/news.php?id=0512291

It's worth a read. I'm endlessly fascinated by his performance and he talks a lot about how he worked with the character. This was particularly interesting to me: "I wanted him to be a clenched fist; and therefore my mouth became clenched too. A lot of the physicalization was lack of posture, but with the lack of posture in his mouth; in the words, it escapes his mouth."

[MacMan]

Well, I saw this movie over the wknd... and wow! I have to say - what a great movie... But its so very very sad on many levels!!... Heath for one deserves every award possible for this performace... Like someone said earlier, you could feel the pain he was going through just from the look on his face... great performace.

But I have a question. Does anyone know what those last words he said at the end were... Right at the very very end while looking at his closet door?? "Something... something... something... I swear" It's been bugging me.

[dissention]

Heath for one deserves every award possible for this performace... Like someone said earlier, you could feel the pain he was going through just from the look on his face... great performace.

His performance is otherworldly. I saw it again this past weekend and he just blows me away. I've got lots of favorite performances from my favorite actors, but he takes the cake in Brokeback Mountain. It's hard for me to even believe that someone has that much talent simmering inside them. If Philip Seymour Hoffman wins the Oscar over him, I. Will. Be. Devastated.

But I have a question. Does anyone know what those last words he said at the end were... Right at the very very end while looking at his closet door?? "Something... something... something... I swear" It's been bugging me.

He says "Jack, I swear."

[sparky]

I can't say that it is, as much as I'd like to be ridden by him. My ears are equally hairy, though much smaller in dimension.

IT'S MY EAR.

[dissention]

IT'S MY EAR.

Figures. :rolleyes:

Did you see that someone asked Bush today at one of his speeches if he had seen the movie? I watched his response and bounced around my apartment from the hilarity of it all.

Here it is at Crooks & Liars. I'm telling you, his response is priceless. Watch it, bitch.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/01/23.html#a6831

[strandinthewind]

OMG - W was so taken aback that someone asked him that question that he was actually speechless and smirked for what seemed like an eternity until I swear I heard Rove yelling in the IED "SAY YOU NEVER SAW IT YOU BOOB OR NO OICE CREAM THIS EVENING FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!" I soooooo wish the guy had followed up with "well I think you should see it and why don't you see it?" What as a$$$$

As for PSH winning - I can't say he would not be deserving of it as he was brilliant as Capote - what a haunting performance - and he certainly has paid his dues, cut his teeth, etc., as opposed to Heath L. So, I am happy either way.

Finally, Sparky - I am coming over to shave your ears.

[SuzeQuze]

OMG - W was so taken aback that someone asked him that question that he was actually speechless and smirked for what seemed like an eternity until I swear I heard Rove yelling in the IED "SAY YOU NEVER SAW IT YOU BOOB OR NO OICE CREAM THIS EVENING FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!" I soooooo wish the guy had followed up with "well I think you should see it and why don't you see it?" What as a$$$$

As for PSH winning - I can't say he would not be deserving of it as he was brilliant as Capote - what a haunting performance - and he certainly has paid his dues, cut his teeth, etc., as opposed to Heath L. So, I am happy either way.

Finally, Sparky - I am coming over to shave your ears.

I for one enjoyed Heath in A Knight's Tale. He is positively yummy in that film. Yes it is wish fullfillment but I liked it! :)

As far as the two films above, I cannot comment as I haven't seen them (ducks).

[dissention]

OMG - W was so taken aback that someone asked him that question that he was actually speechless and smirked for what seemed like an eternity until I swear I heard Rove yelling in the IED "SAY YOU NEVER SAW IT YOU BOOB OR NO OICE CREAM THIS EVENING FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!" I soooooo wish the guy had followed up with "well I think you should see it and why don't you see it?" What as a$$$$

My favorite was when he said "I hope you go back to the ranch and the farms." :laugh:

As for PSH winning - I can't say he would not be deserving of it as he was brilliant as Capote - what a haunting performance - and he certainly has paid his dues, cut his teeth, etc., as opposed to Heath L. So, I am happy either way.

Why in the world do people keep bringing up someone's past performances as a reason why they should win an Oscar? I don't ****ing get it, man. Who cares about what Hoffman did in the past, it's his Capote performance he's going to be nominated for. And when I stack his performance next to Ledger's, Ledger blows him out of the water. Talk about haunting. The man gave me chills; he was remarkable. So, sorry, but Hoffman is undeserving of it this year in my eyes. :laugh:

I also remember people saying that Scorsese should have won best director for Gangs of New York & The Aviator simply because he hadn't won an Oscar yet. That's horse****.

[dissention]

I for one enjoyed Heath in A Knight's Tale. He is positively yummy in that film. Yes it is wish fullfillment but I liked it! :)

As far as the two films above, I cannot comment as I haven't seen them (ducks).

Every other movie I've seen with him has sucked balls. :shocked: Except "Ned Kelly" wasn't as horrific as it was made out to be and he was really the only saving grace to "The Brother's Grimm." Never saw "A Knight's Tale," though. Probably because all of his other movies were ass.

[SuzeQuze]

Every other movie I've seen with him has sucked balls. :shocked: Except "Ned Kelly" wasn't as horrific as it was made out to be and he was really the only saving grace to "The Brother's Grimm." Never saw "A Knight's Tale," though. Probably because all of his other movies were ass.

I think you'd probably enjoy it. If for nothing other than he is so hot in it! :lol:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Every other movie I've seen with him has sucked balls. :shocked:

10 Things I Hate About You is an excellent teen movie.

[dissention]

I think you'd probably enjoy it. If for nothing other than he is so hot in it! :lol:

He's a cutie. I'll have to rent it sometime and hope that it's watchable, because I haven't liked any of his other movies. I've been wanting to see Casanova because it's got such a great cast, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

[strandinthewind]

My favorite was when he said "I hope you go back to the ranch and the farms." :laugh:

I know - he looked lost and confused and then I realized he was listening to the voice coming out of the IED.

Why in the world do people keep bringing up someone's past performances as a reason why they should win an Oscar? I don't ****ing get it, man. Who cares about what Hoffman did in the past, it's his Capote performance he's going to be nominated for. And when I stack his performance next to Ledger's, Ledger blows him out of the water. Talk about haunting. The man gave me chills; he was remarkable. So, sorry, but Hoffman is undeserving of it this year in my eyes. :laugh:

I also remember people saying that Scorsese should have won best director for Gangs of New York & The Aviator simply because he hadn't won an Oscar yet. That's horse****.

The members of the Academy, right or wrong, usually consider the body of work. So, I was speaking from that vantage point - a/k/a reality :wavey:

I thought they were both really good and, to me, comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges. So, if either wins, I will be happy :cool:

BTW - I think MS should have won for Gangs of New York (same with Day Lewis) and I also think The Aviator deserved it - and all of that is one their own merits.

[dissention]

The members of the Academy, right or wrong, usually consider the body of work. So, I was speaking from that vantage point - a/k/a reality :wavey:

It is wrong, that was my point. ;) Thankfully, there are exceptions. Hilary Swank, Adrien Brody, Halle Berry, etc. Even if some of them didn't deserve them.

I thought they were both really good and, to me, comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges. So, if either wins, I will be happy :cool:

I don't see how they're apples and oranges. They are both performances. Ledger's just happens to the better one.

BTW - I think MS should have won for Gangs of New York (same with Day Lewis) and I also think The Aviator deserved it - and all of that is one their own merits.

MS is an overrated hack who hasn't made a genuinely good movie since After Hours (which is probably his best movie, if you ask me). Yes, I know that is a very, very unpopular opinion. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

. . . Yes, I know that is a very, very unpopular opinion. :laugh:

as are all of your's - ya loon :] :]

;)

[dissention]

The cast is going to be on Oprah tomorrow. http://www2.oprah.com/index.jhtml

With a caption like "Two gorgeous men secretly in love," this will prove to be an exercise in cringe-inducing vapidness like only Oprah can present.

[macfanken]

With a caption like "Two gorgeous men secretly in love," this will prove to be an exercise in cringe-inducing vapidness like only Oprah can present.

...but I know you're going to watch it! :lol: Do you think she'll ask Jake and Heath what it was like doing the sex scene? hmmm...

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...but I know you're going to watch it! :lol:

Naturally. Interviews with Heath are highly entertaining because he always looks as if the ritalin has yet to kick in.

Do you think she'll ask Jake and Heath what it was like doing the sex scene? hmmm...

I'd bet my life on it. I'm so sick and tired of hearing that question. It's old hat. The housewives will surely be rubbing their spots over it, though.

[sparky]

The cast is going to be on Oprah tomorrow. http://www2.oprah.com/index.jhtml

With a caption like "Two gorgeous men secretly in love," this will prove to be an exercise in cringe-inducing vapidness like only Oprah can present.

Cringe inducing ? Perhaps. Going to earn the movie another 5 million ? At least. Important event in terms of the mainstream acceptance of the movie ?
Absolutely. And I will explain why I think so.

The Okra seal of approval is a big assed deal to many of her, what (70 million worldwide?) viewers. She is a cultural phenomenon. Since the second arm of marketing of this film is directed at women, and 90% of her audience is women, the ones who may not have friends who have seen it or read a review will likely go in herds to see it. Unless they are nutbag religious extremists (most of whom would never watch her anyway), the movie is likely to move them immensely.

What will this accomplish ? A lot, and it is a ripple effect. Let's face it - as far as social mores and emotional rules in households go, women rule this country and most of the world. Although there are some straight guys out there who seem genuinely terrified, and perhaps rightly so, that seeing two handsome masculine men kiss is going to make them want to suck dick, many of these women are going to drag their husbands and/or boyfirends along with them to see it.
It will make an impact on them.
After seeing something like this film, it is pretty impossible to think of gay people as subhuman beings who exist only to pursue sex, act like pale imitations of women, and be clowns on sitcoms. It humanizes gay men. In the lives of people who see this movie, they are not going to think the same way about the subject anymore. They will not be so likely to reject and abuse a child who is gay or a family member who is gay. Even if a straight guy still feels like it, the women won't put up with it. And like I said, women rule the roost. So, yeah. This is a big deal. It will make some lives better right now, and many in the future. Just a movie ? Certainly not ? Just a daytime TV show ? Hardly.

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Cringe inducing ? Perhaps. Going to earn the movie another 5 million ? At least. Important event in terms of the mainstream acceptance of the movie ?
Absolutely. And I will explain why I think so.

The Okra seal of approval is a big assed deal to many of her, what (70 million worldwide?) viewers. She is a cultural phenomenon. Since the second arm of marketing of this film is directed at women, and 90% of her audience is women, the ones who may not have friends who have seen it or read a review will likely go in herds to see it. Unless they are nutbag religious extremists (most of whom would never watch her anyway), the movie is likely to move them immensely.

What will this accomplish ? A lot, and it is a ripple effect. Let's face it - as far as social mores and emotional rules in households go, women rule this country and most of the world. Although there are some straight guys out there who seem genuinely terrified, and perhaps rightly so, that seeing two handsome masculine men kiss is going to make them want to suck dick, many of these women are going to drag their husbands and/or boyfirends along with them to see it.
It will make an impact on them.
After seeing something like this film, it is pretty impossible to think of gay people as subhuman beings who exist only to pursue sex, act like pale imitations of women, and be clowns on sitcoms. It humanizes gay men. In the lives of people who see this movie, they are not going to think the same way about the subject anymore. They will not be so likely to reject and abuse a child who is gay or a family member who is gay. Even if a straight guy still feels like it, the women won't put up with it. And like I said, women rule the roost. So, yeah. This is a big deal. It will make some lives better right now, and many in the future. Just a movie ? Certainly not ? Just a daytime TV show ? Hardly.

I don't disagree; I just said it's going to make for vapid television viewing simply because it's Oprah. :laugh: She possesses a remarkable ability to take great things and boil them down to nothing but numbers on her current It List. Half the time will be spent talking about whether or not the kissing scenes were awkward and blah blah blah. I hardly expect any real discussion about the movie itself other than "The script was so beautiful" and the standard lines given on these talk shows. Is it great that a movie like this is being exposed to such a huge audience via Oprah? Of course it is and, like you said, I'm sure people will go out and see it simply because she stamped her seal on it, which will probably change some minds out there. But I still doubt this particular show will make for stimulating viewing. Not with Tyler Perry on the same ****ing show.

[GypsySorcerer]

I don't disagree; I just said it's going to make for vapid television viewing simply because it's Oprah. :laugh: She possesses a remarkable ability to take great things and boil them down to nothing but numbers on her current It List. Half the time will be spent talking about whether or not the kissing scenes were awkward and blah blah blah. I hardly expect any real discussion about the movie itself other than "The script was so beautiful" and the standard lines given on these talk shows. Is it great that a movie like this is being exposed to such a huge audience via Oprah? Of course it is and, like you said, I'm sure people will go out and see it simply because she stamped her seal on it, which will probably change some minds out there. But I still doubt this particular show will make for stimulating viewing. Not with Tyler Perry on the same ****ing show.

The O-Warrior is as annoying as hell, but I do have to give her credit for her Katrina coverage.....it was some of the most comprehensive out there.

I'll try to watch tomorrow, and plan on seeing BBM over the weekend. It finally hit theaters here.

[cliffdweller]

After seeing something like this film, it is pretty impossible to think of gay people as subhuman beings who exist only to pursue sex, act like pale imitations of women, and be clowns on sitcoms. It humanizes gay men. In the lives of people who see this movie, they are not going to think the same way about the subject anymore.

I'm afraid the die-hard homophobes (and there are MANY still out there) will never be swayed to this kind of thinking. I wish you were right, I just don't have a lot of hope for humanity anymore, especially after giving the currrent jackass in the White House 4 more years to further f*ck up this country by propagating intolerance to anything that was not first ordained by God or Pat Robertson. Well, same diff right? :laugh:.

[sparky]

I'm afraid the die-hard homophobes (and there are MANY still out there) will never be swayed to this kind of thinking. I wish you were right, I just don't have a lot of hope for humanity anymore, especially after giving the currrent jackass in the White House 4 more years to further f*ck up this country by propagating intolerance to anything that was not first ordained by God or Pat Robertson. Well, same diff right? :laugh:.


I don't completely disagree, but their numbers are rapidly diminishing, and as many of those old ****heaps die off, there aren't that many to replace them.
God knows many of them have homos in their own families who are afraid to come out to them - that is what it takes.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

God knows many of them have homos in their own families who are afraid to come out to them - that is what it takes.


hmmm...that is very true!!!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Anyone watching Oprah now?

Can I just say that Michelle is more beautiful than I ever thought she could be! Motherhood agrees with her!

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Anyone watching Oprah now?


I have half a mind to track Heath down in New York and put a few hundred in his hand just so he can have his teeth bleached.

[sparky]

I watched the show and it was basically what I expected. Oprah's questions were SHOCKINGLY pedestrian. I think she is more perceptive than that and she underestimates the intelligence of her audience. If I have to hear the boys asked ONE MORE TIME about the horror and anxiety about kissing each other I am going to scream. I am certain they are too. The fact that this is all anyone can think about only indicates their own lack of intelligence and shallow thought processes. God Bless America.
I have to say that I was impressed by the actors. Jake is a total showboat and is so poised and natural he could probably run for office. Michelle is quite pretty and graceful. I wonder if that perfect little nose could possibly be real, but I don't particularly care. Heath impressed me the most. He totally shut Oprah down with her angle on how bad the "down low" aspect of the relationship was. He is clearly not into doing publicity, but when he says something it really counts. I expect one of these days he is going to shred someone for asking about the kiss again. As it is he says "It was kissing a human being. Love scenes are never comfortable." I love how he dismisses the teenage ick factor these idiot journalists keep going back to again and again. God knows, they are the ones desperate for conflict and controversy, just to have a dramatic tagline in their preview segments. The actors have it right when they approach it with such matter of fact reality. It is fantastic that both of the boys focus on the fact that it was at it's heart a beautiful love story.
That Anne Hathaway...she is a terrific actress. She is nothing like her character. I found her goofiness and sillliness to be extremely charming and endearing. It really cracked me up.
All in all, I am glad they were on the show. Okra called it one the best made films she had ever seen and told her audience to go see it. She wasn't jumping up and down, but that's okay. Mission accomplished. Next stop, Oscars noms.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I watched the show and it was basically what I expected. Oprah's questions were SHOCKINGLY pedestrian. I think she is more perceptive than that and she underestimates the intelligence of her audience. If I have to hear the boys asked ONE MORE TIME about the horror and anxiety about kissing each other I am going to scream. I am certain they are too. The fact that this is all anyone can think about only indicates their own lack of intelligence and shallow thought processes. God Bless America.
I have to say that I was impressed by the actors. Jake is a total showboat and is so poised and natural he could probably run for office. Michelle is quite pretty and graceful. I wonder if that perfect little nose could possibly be real, but I don't particularly care. Heath impressed me the most. He totally shut Oprah down with her angle on how bad the "down low" aspect of the relationship was. He is clearly not into doing publicity, but when he says something it really counts. I expect one of these days he is going to shred someone for asking about the kiss again. As it is he says "It was kissing a human being. Love scenes are never comfortable." I love how he dismisses the teenage ick factor these idiot journalists keep going back to again and again. God knows, they are the ones desperate for conflict and controversy, just to have a dramatic tagline in their preview segments. The actors have it right when they approach it with such matter of fact reality. It is fantastic that both of the boys focus on the fact that it was at it's heart a beautiful love story.
That Anne Hathaway...she is a terrific actress. She is nothing like her character. I found her goofiness and sillliness to be extremely charming and endearing. It really cracked me up.
All in all, I am glad they were on the show. Okra called it one the best made films she had ever seen and told her audience to go see it. She wasn't jumping up and down, but that's okay. Mission accomplished. Next stop, Oscars noms.

I agree with just about everything you said.

That is the one good thing about Oprah, you know...like her or not, if she gives something (be it music, movie, book, or hell even a person) the :thumbsup: PEOPLE WILL LISTEN! She just has that much impact.

Also, Josh did you happen to see the previews for upcoming shows...Anderson is going to be on soon.

[Serrart]

I watched the show and it was basically what I expected. Oprah's questions were SHOCKINGLY pedestrian. I think she is more perceptive than that and she underestimates the intelligence of her audience. If I have to hear the boys asked ONE MORE TIME about the horror and anxiety about kissing each other I am going to scream. I am certain they are too. The fact that this is all anyone can think about only indicates their own lack of intelligence and shallow thought processes. God Bless America.
I have to say that I was impressed by the actors. Jake is a total showboat and is so poised and natural he could probably run for office. Michelle is quite pretty and graceful. I wonder if that perfect little nose could possibly be real, but I don't particularly care. Heath impressed me the most. He totally shut Oprah down with her angle on how bad the "down low" aspect of the relationship was. He is clearly not into doing publicity, but when he says something it really counts. I expect one of these days he is going to shred someone for asking about the kiss again. As it is he says "It was kissing a human being. Love scenes are never comfortable." I love how he dismisses the teenage ick factor these idiot journalists keep going back to again and again. God knows, they are the ones desperate for conflict and controversy, just to have a dramatic tagline in their preview segments. The actors have it right when they approach it with such matter of fact reality. It is fantastic that both of the boys focus on the fact that it was at it's heart a beautiful love story.
That Anne Hathaway...she is a terrific actress. She is nothing like her character. I found her goofiness and sillliness to be extremely charming and endearing. It really cracked me up.
All in all, I am glad they were on the show. Okra called it one the best made films she had ever seen and told her audience to go see it. She wasn't jumping up and down, but that's okay. Mission accomplished. Next stop, Oscars noms.

In Venice, at the press conference at least, nobody asked about the kisses. Now that I think of it, it's quite strange there were no questions like that (after all there were also American journalists there ;) ). I agree on Gyllenhaal he's a perfect PR actor, but Ledger did quite well too. I didn't care much about the boys though since my eyes were only on Ang Lee. :nod: I'm so glad he's having this triumph, since he's one of the best directors around.

Romy

[stargazer99]

I finally saw this movie tonight. It was every bit as incredible as I've heard.

I have to admit, I had a little trouble getting into it at first. It does move slow at the beginning. But once I got into it, I was totally sucked in.

I thought all four of the young actors (Heath, Jake, Michelle and Anne) were incredible! I haven't been able to get out to the movies much the past couple years, and haven't seen any of the other Oscar nominated actors' performances. So I have nothing to compare Heath's performance to. But he was absolutely incredible in this movie. I really could feel what his character was going through. Michelle Williams was really good as well. What I wasn't expecting though was how good Anne Hathaway was. I loved her character! She didn't have a huge part in the movie, but when she was on screen, I thought she did an incredible job.

I also didn't know, going in, how believable I'd find the aging of the characters. But it was very well done. As they got older, I never felt like I was watching young actors playing older characters.

Sparky mentioned in his original post that the makeup bothered him. But I actually thought the makeup was very well done. They gave Heath a weathered look as he aged... like his skin was getting more leathery from working out in the sun and wind. And there was a scene late in the movie where Anne's character is on the phone. I started noticing that her front teeth had red in between. I was wondering what was up with that. Then I realized her red nail polish was very chipped, and she had some little red spots that almost looked like blood on her fingers. It dawned on me that the character had been biting her nails, and the red on her fingers and teeth was the nail polish! I know this all sounds kind of irrelevent to even mention, but, without giving too much away to those who haven't seen the movie yet, I thought that bit of detail added something to that particular scene.

While I was really drawn into the movie, I was pretty composed through most of it. The part where I started to get a teary eyed was when they got into the fight about November and Mexico. (Again, don't want to give too much away to those who haven't seen it yet.) That scene really grabbed my gut. Then, of course, the shirt. That's when I totally lost it.

It was a very beautiful movie, and incredibly emotional. I'm glad I finally got to see it.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I finally saw this movie tonight. It was every bit as incredible as I've heard.

I have to admit, I had a little trouble getting into it at first. It does move slow at the beginning. But once I got into it, I was totally sucked in.

I thought all four of the young actors (Heath, Jake, Michelle and Anne) were incredible! I haven't been able to get out to the movies much the past couple years, and haven't seen any of the other Oscar nominated actors' performances. So I have nothing to compare Heath's performance to. But he was absolutely incredible in this movie. I really could feel what his character was going through. Michelle Williams was really good as well. What I wasn't expecting though was how good Anne Hathaway was. I loved her character! She didn't have a huge part in the movie, but when she was on screen, I thought she did an incredible job.

I also didn't know, going in, how believable I'd find the aging of the characters. But it was very well done. As they got older, I never felt like I was watching young actors playing older characters.

Sparky mentioned in his original post that the makeup bothered him. But I actually thought the makeup was very well done. They gave Heath a weathered look as he aged... like his skin was getting more leathery from working out in the sun and wind. And there was a scene late in the movie where Anne's character is on the phone. I started noticing that her front teeth had red in between. I was wondering what was up with that. Then I realized her red nail polish was very chipped, and she had some little red spots that almost looked like blood on her fingers. It dawned on me that the character had been biting her nails, and the red on her fingers and teeth was the nail polish! I know this all sounds kind of irrelevent to even mention, but, without giving too much away to those who haven't seen the movie yet, I thought that bit of detail added something to that particular scene.

While I was really drawn into the movie, I was pretty composed through most of it. The part where I started to get a teary eyed was when they got into the fight about November and Mexico. (Again, don't want to give too much away to those who haven't seen it yet.) That scene really grabbed my gut. Then, of course, the shirt. That's when I totally lost it.

It was a very beautiful movie, and incredibly emotional. I'm glad I finally got to see it.

Glad you finally got to see it, and enjoyed it!

I'm glad I'm not the only one who pays attention to details like that...I noticed the red as well.

After seeing this movie and letting it soak in for a week or so, I just totally am in love with it and can't wait for the oscars! I haven't been this crazy about a movie since Cold Mountain (don't ask)!

[dissention]

I finally saw this movie tonight. It was every bit as incredible as I've heard.

I have to admit, I had a little trouble getting into it at first. It does move slow at the beginning. But once I got into it, I was totally sucked in.

I thought all four of the young actors (Heath, Jake, Michelle and Anne) were incredible! I haven't been able to get out to the movies much the past couple years, and haven't seen any of the other Oscar nominated actors' performances. So I have nothing to compare Heath's performance to. But he was absolutely incredible in this movie. I really could feel what his character was going through. Michelle Williams was really good as well. What I wasn't expecting though was how good Anne Hathaway was. I loved her character! She didn't have a huge part in the movie, but when she was on screen, I thought she did an incredible job.

I also didn't know, going in, how believable I'd find the aging of the characters. But it was very well done. As they got older, I never felt like I was watching young actors playing older characters.

Sparky mentioned in his original post that the makeup bothered him. But I actually thought the makeup was very well done. They gave Heath a weathered look as he aged... like his skin was getting more leathery from working out in the sun and wind. And there was a scene late in the movie where Anne's character is on the phone. I started noticing that her front teeth had red in between. I was wondering what was up with that. Then I realized her red nail polish was very chipped, and she had some little red spots that almost looked like blood on her fingers. It dawned on me that the character had been biting her nails, and the red on her fingers and teeth was the nail polish! I know this all sounds kind of irrelevent to even mention, but, without giving too much away to those who haven't seen the movie yet, I thought that bit of detail added something to that particular scene.

While I was really drawn into the movie, I was pretty composed through most of it. The part where I started to get a teary eyed was when they got into the fight about November and Mexico. (Again, don't want to give too much away to those who haven't seen it yet.) That scene really grabbed my gut. Then, of course, the shirt. That's when I totally lost it.

It was a very beautiful movie, and incredibly emotional. I'm glad I finally got to see it.

I'm glad you liked it, Mary. :xoxo: Have you seen the lj icons people have been making? They're priceless. I'll have to send you some links to the icon communities. The shirt one that I nabbed is great.

Hopefully it sweeps the Oscars, which I don't doubt it will. Unless Hoffman spoils Ledger, which, again, I'll be completely inconsolable over.

[JazmenFlowers]

hopefully, I will finally see this movie tomorrow night and will be able to join the conversations here

can you believe they are showing it here?

[dissention]

Also, Josh did you happen to see the previews for upcoming shows...Anderson is going to be on soon.

Yes. I taped it because I was out all day and when I saw it, I jumped. Footage of early, floppy-haired Andy. Looks like Lisa Ling is going to be on the same show, too. Channel One reunion!!

And OMG!! I!! COULD!! PEE!!

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=bh7TbKyC9Q&isbn=0061132381&itm=4

[estranged4life]

hopefully, I will finally see this movie tomorrow night and will be able to join the conversations here

can you believe they are showing it here?

it isnt showing anywhere around here...And it WONT ever be in this town (The oldest movie theatre in Oklahoma's history refuses to show it due to "local religious pressures"...Kinda strange when they just finished showing a week long run of "Hostel" and noone complained).

Maybe in 2 weeks we'll see it in OKC ("Brokeback Mountain" is behind "Underworld:Evolution" in movies Deb & myself want to see....She likes Heath Ledger, I like Kate Beckingsale)

Brian "Resident of unyielding insensitive relig-a-tard hick town..." j.

[dissention]

Kinda strange when they just finished showing a week long run of "Hostel" and noone complained

I was dragged to see that **** movie after saying I didn't really care to see it and felt physically sick while watching it. If pressed, I wouldn't be able to name one redeeming factor about it. ****ing putrid.

[BombaySapphire3]

I also didn't know, going in, how believable I'd find the aging of the characters. But it was very well done. As they got older, I never felt like I was watching young actors playing older characters.

Sparky mentioned in his original post that the makeup bothered him. But I actually thought the makeup was very well done. They gave Heath a weathered look as he aged... like his skin was getting more leathery from working out in the sun and wind.
The aging makeup on Heath in particular is one thing I found very realistic.Believe me I don't have to look any farther than the nearest mirror to see exactly how a 40ish white guy that spent time in the sun and the wind should look either,:lol:

[JazmenFlowers]

it isnt showing anywhere around here...And it WONT ever be in this town (The oldest movie theatre in Oklahoma's history refuses to show it due to "local religious pressures"...Kinda strange when they just finished showing a week long run of "Hostel" and noone complained).

Maybe in 2 weeks we'll see it in OKC ("Brokeback Mountain" is behind "Underworld:Evolution" in movies Deb & myself want to see....She likes Heath Ledger, I like Kate Beckingsale)

Brian "Resident of unyielding insensitive relig-a-tard hick town..." j.
Underworld Evolution is freaking amazing. I'm a huge fan of the first and watch it about once every couple weeks. The sequel is just as good.

[sparky]

I finally saw this movie tonight. It was every bit as incredible as I've heard.

I have to admit, I had a little trouble getting into it at first. It does move slow at the beginning. But once I got into it, I was totally sucked in.

I thought all four of the young actors (Heath, Jake, Michelle and Anne) were incredible! I haven't been able to get out to the movies much the past couple years, and haven't seen any of the other Oscar nominated actors' performances. So I have nothing to compare Heath's performance to. But he was absolutely incredible in this movie. I really could feel what his character was going through. Michelle Williams was really good as well. What I wasn't expecting though was how good Anne Hathaway was. I loved her character! She didn't have a huge part in the movie, but when she was on screen, I thought she did an incredible job.

I also didn't know, going in, how believable I'd find the aging of the characters. But it was very well done. As they got older, I never felt like I was watching young actors playing older characters.

Sparky mentioned in his original post that the makeup bothered him. But I actually thought the makeup was very well done. They gave Heath a weathered look as he aged... like his skin was getting more leathery from working out in the sun and wind. And there was a scene late in the movie where Anne's character is on the phone. I started noticing that her front teeth had red in between. I was wondering what was up with that. Then I realized her red nail polish was very chipped, and she had some little red spots that almost looked like blood on her fingers. It dawned on me that the character had been biting her nails, and the red on her fingers and teeth was the nail polish! I know this all sounds kind of irrelevent to even mention, but, without giving too much away to those who haven't seen the movie yet, I thought that bit of detail added something to that particular scene.

While I was really drawn into the movie, I was pretty composed through most of it. The part where I started to get a teary eyed was when they got into the fight about November and Mexico. (Again, don't want to give too much away to those who haven't seen it yet.) That scene really grabbed my gut. Then, of course, the shirt. That's when I totally lost it.

It was a very beautiful movie, and incredibly emotional. I'm glad I finally got to see it.

Mary I am so glad you saw it and thrilled that you enjoyed it.

The only quibbles I had with the makeup on Heath were in the diner scene and the last scene that the old age makeup is actually kind of flaking off around his crow's feet. That happens with spirit gum after many hours, and with other quickie old age tricks. Also, his sideburns in the scene at the house at the end, and the diner, show a distinct dark line where they are glued on. I thought that was sloppy and not needed - it was a cheap trick with brush on makeup to hide a glue line. If they had used a lighter color and feathered it on with a secondary darker color it would have been invisible. Sorry, I got stellar grades in makeup class when I was an acting student in college.

Also, Anne was amazing. Amazing. I cannot take my eyes off her hands in that phone scene. The red spot on her finger is so Lady Macbeth it just kills me. Yeah, she was biting her nails. And there is tons of speculation that the fact that she has red on her hands is a sign that she knows way more than she is letting on and that she is definitely lying about what went on.

The trigger for me losing it really begins when Jack says, "The truth is, sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it." That of course, leads into the parking lot scene...and the line that knifes me in the guts is "There is never enough time, never enough time." My God - when you love someone is there every really enough time ? Ever ? It just gets worse from there, and by the end of that scene I am a weeping wreck.

Tonight I went to a screening and a Q and A with Heath and Michelle. The movie of course killed me again, even in the 4th viewing. I know I sound like a maniac. I have never seen a movie this many times. Never. 4 paper towels full of snot and tears later, we found out Michelle and the baby were sick and the Q and A is going to be rescheduled - maybe this Wednesday.:(

Very astute observations you made. I am impressed.

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The only quibbles I had with the makeup on Heath were in the diner scene and the last scene that the old age makeup is actually kind of flaking off around his crow's feet. That happens with spirit gum after many hours, and with other quickie old age tricks. Also, his sideburns in the scene at the house at the end, and the diner, show a distinct dark line where they are glued on. I thought that was sloppy and not needed - it was a cheap trick with brush on makeup to hide a glue line. If they had used a lighter color and feathered it on with a secondary darker color it would have been invisible. Sorry, I got stellar grades in makeup class when I was an acting student in college.

Haha. I didn't notice any of that. :laugh: Now that's all I'm going to see the next time I see it. The only thing that really bothered me was the padding they gave Jake's gut for him when he was in thirties. Oh, it bugged the **** out of me. Especially the way they had him stand with his jacket open, hands on hips, to show it off. It just looked like he had a parlor pillow stuffed down his shirt.

Also, I have to say something about Linda Cardellini. I thought she was pretty great in it. She didn't have much to do, but she did a fantastic job with what she had to work with. I particularly liked the scene between her and Ennis' daughter, Junior. That look on her face when she's told she's "good enough" was brilliant. You could tell that comment pierced through her like a knife at first.

[stargazer99]

Mary I am so glad you saw it and thrilled that you enjoyed it.

The only quibbles I had with the makeup on Heath were in the diner scene and the last scene that the old age makeup is actually kind of flaking off around his crow's feet. That happens with spirit gum after many hours, and with other quickie old age tricks. Also, his sideburns in the scene at the house at the end, and the diner, show a distinct dark line where they are glued on. I thought that was sloppy and not needed - it was a cheap trick with brush on makeup to hide a glue line. If they had used a lighter color and feathered it on with a secondary darker color it would have been invisible. Sorry, I got stellar grades in makeup class when I was an acting student in college.

Also, Anne was amazing. Amazing. I cannot take my eyes off her hands in that phone scene. The red spot on her finger is so Lady Macbeth it just kills me. Yeah, she was biting her nails. And there is tons of speculation that the fact that she has red on her hands is a sign that she knows way more than she is letting on and that she is definitely lying about what went on.

The trigger for me losing it really begins when Jack says, "The truth is, sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it." That of course, leads into the parking lot scene...and the line that knifes me in the guts is "There is never enough time, never enough time." My God - when you love someone is there every really enough time ? Ever ? It just gets worse from there, and by the end of that scene I am a weeping wreck.

Tonight I went to a screening and a Q and A with Heath and Michelle. The movie of course killed me again, even in the 4th viewing. I know I sound like a maniac. I have never seen a movie this many times. Never. 4 paper towels full of snot and tears later, we found out Michelle and the baby were sick and the Q and A is going to be rescheduled - maybe this Wednesday.:(

Very astute observations you made. I am impressed.

I didn't notice some of what you mentioned, about the sideburns! Yeah, that definitely would have bugged me if I'd noticed it. I did notice the "flaking" of the makeup on Heath late in the movie, but I just chalked it up to his character working outside for so many years and that it was supposed to be sun damage.

That whole scene on the mountain was so incredibly powerful. It was gutwrenching! The emotion was powerful throughout the whole scene. But what really got to me was when Innis(sp?) broke down in Jack's arms. I could feel the absolute agony they were both going through! The pain of loving someone so much, and the fear of losing them for good. It was such a powerful scene! I think that's the first time that I could actually feel my gut clenching while watching a movie.

I agree about the scene with Anne. I kept thinking she was lying about what really happened, and was wondering if it was really something like what happened to Innis' neighbor when he was a kid. I was truly amazed by her performance, and thought that scene was brilliant. I keep thinking of her as the girl from "The Princess Diaries", and was truly surprised at how good she was in this movie.

The shirt, though... that's what absolutely did me in. I started sobbing at that point. It was shortly after that when I heard a lot of sniffling around me as well. And the scene leading up to it... when the Dad was talking about Jack's "plans". You could just feel Innis' regret. I can't even imagine the pain he must have been feeling at that point, and all the "what if's"? How many of us haven't felt regrets about love? But most of us haven't lived through 20+ years of such conflict to get to that point.

It truly was a very powerful film. And the acting and imagery were incredible! Like I said, I haven't seen the performances of any of Heath's competition, to compare his performance to. But he definitely gave an Oscar worthy performance.

Thanks for the compliments! I'm sorry you missed the Q&A, and hope they will reschedule. Do you have any questions you plan on asking?

[stargazer99]

Also, I have to say something about Linda Cardellini.

I kept trying to figure out who that was. She looked so familiar, but I couldn't place her, until her last scene. She was very good as well. Of course, I don't think there was a bad performance in the movie.

[stargazer99]

I just thought of a couple questions/speculations, for those who've seen the movie.

When you first see Ennis' daughters, I could have sworn there were three kids. Was I imagining that?

Also, in the scene where Jack and Ennis are talking about their "affairs", and Jack says he's been fooling around with the foreman's wife... was it really the foreman? (The other husband from the restaurant/club?) Do you think that's the other one that the Dad is talking about?

[dissention]

When you first see Ennis' daughters, I could have sworn there were three kids. Was I imagining that?

I could have sworn the same thing. :laugh:

Also, in the scene where Jack and Ennis are talking about their "affairs", and Jack says he's been fooling around with the foreman's wife... was it really the foreman? (The other husband from the restaurant/club?) Do you think that's the other one that the Dad is talking about?

I don't think it was the wife, I think it was the husband. That's who I think Jack's father was talking about. That scene crushes me, when Ennis is told about the other man that Jack wanted to ranch with. All I could think about was when Ennis told him that he'd kill him if he knew about certain things and what was going through his mind when he was told that at Jack's parents' house. It's a testament to Ledger's work as an actor because you can see him go from shocked to angry to heartbroken in all of five seconds. To have it followed by his finding the bloodied shirts in Jack's room is too much. The last half hour is really brutal to watch.

[stargazer99]

That scene crushes me, when Ennis is told about the other man that Jack wanted to ranch with. All I could think about was when Ennis told him that he'd kill him if he knew about certain things and what was going through his mind when he was told that at Jack's parents' house. It's a testament to Ledger's work as an actor because you can see him go from shocked to angry to heartbroken in all of five seconds. To have it followed by his finding the bloodied shirts in Jack's room is too much. The last half hour is really brutal to watch.

I agree, that's what was so amazing about his performance. The character doesn't talk much, but you can see the emotions on his face so clearly. But he didn't lay it on thick. It was so subtle, yet you could still read his face and feel his emotion. It was brilliant.

[sparky]

I just thought of a couple questions/speculations, for those who've seen the movie.

When you first see Ennis' daughters, I could have sworn there were three kids. Was I imagining that?

Also, in the scene where Jack and Ennis are talking about their "affairs", and Jack says he's been fooling around with the foreman's wife... was it really the foreman? (The other husband from the restaurant/club?) Do you think that's the other one that the Dad is talking about?


I never saw 3 kids but when he is in that squalling kids scene, Alma asks him to wipe Junior's nose and he says "I would if I had three hands." This always makes me look for a third kid !

Yeah, Jack was totally talking about the rancher but lying about it. That scene where the rancher propositions him is really sad. He doesn't answer and just stares off into the distance with this glazed expression. You can tell he doesn't really want to right there. He is settling for second best.

I really liked Linda Cardellini. Some people think she is a superfluous character but I don't. She was a total 70's sexpot fungirl. And the complete opposite of Alma. Not even she could get Ennis. I completely recognized her as a type. She did a great job.

[stargazer99]

I never saw 3 kids but when he is in that squalling kids scene, Alma asks him to wipe Junior's nose and he says "I would if I had three hands." This always makes me look for a third kid !

That's the scene I'm referring to. What I saw was him checking on a kid in the first crib, then one in the second crib, then Junior. Then he picked up Junior and the second baby, and went back to the first crib, where I could swear the first baby was. I even remember that when he checked on the first kid, then went to the second crib, everyone in the theater started laughing at the fact that there were 2 small babies. Then, saw the third, slightly older kid (Junior), and everyone really started laughing. Plus, the line about "if I had 3 hands". Maybe I was hallucinating? :shrug: But it bugged me through the rest of the movie, because I kept wondering where the third kid was. :laugh:

I also kept looking for a boy, because they kept referring to Junior. It took me a while to realize it was Alma, Jr.

[markolas]

I was holding off on asking this because I was afraid of spoiling the ending, so anyone who hasn't seen it yet probably shouldn't read this post. :D






In the scene where Ennis calls Jake's wife, and she's telling him about Jake's death, there are flashback-type things of Jake being beaten to death. When I saw it, I was thinking that this was Ennis imagining things, but I talked to a friend who saw it twice...he said the first time, he thought that, too, but the second time he said it was obvious that that was what really happened to Jake, and that his wife was making up a story. Did anyone else get that impression?

[MacMan]

I was holding off on asking this because I was afraid of spoiling the ending, so anyone who hasn't seen it yet probably shouldn't read this post. :D






In the scene where Ennis calls Jake's wife, and she's telling him about Jake's death, there are flashback-type things of Jake being beaten to death. When I saw it, I was thinking that this was Ennis imagining things, but I talked to a friend who saw it twice...he said the first time, he thought that, too, but the second time he said it was obvious that that was what really happened to Jake, and that his wife was making up a story. Did anyone else get that impression?


While she's explaining to Ennis what happened, the flash back scenes were being played. So I took it that she either believed what she was saying, and the real truth of what happened was in the flash backs, and maybe she did or didn't know the real truth... Or she new the truth, but to save face was telling the bull**** story to him like she probably did to many other folks. That's how I read it.. or saw it.

[stargazer99]

I was holding off on asking this because I was afraid of spoiling the ending, so anyone who hasn't seen it yet probably shouldn't read this post. :D

I actually wanted to ask that question as well, but didn't, for the same reason. (Scroll down for my thoughts.)












I actually wondered both what you thought, and what your friend thought. I also wondered if he was having a flashback to his neighbor being beaten and killed when he was a kid? That he was afraid the she was going to tell him that's what happened to Jack? The images were so fast, that I couldn't tell for sure if that was Jack being beaten.

It definitely seemed like the wife was hiding something, though. It seemed so mechanical when she told him what happened, like she had scripted her answer and rehearsed it over and over again until she could recite it by heart. That, along with the harse nail biting, made me think she wasn't telling the truth. I also wonder if she had something to do with his death?

That scene definitely gave me a lot to speculate about.

[strandinthewind]

I thought that flashback was Ennis flashing back to the rancher from his childhood who was beaten to death for being gay. I felt as if Ennis was seeing that because Ennis himself had been a part of that. If I remember correctly, the person being beaten in the scene is having the same things done to him that Ennis said were done to the gay rancher. But, it could be that Ennis knew the real story of what happened to Jack and that flashback was what was running through his mind.

Whatever the real intent of that scene, it was spellbinding to me.

[JazmenFlowers]

what are the crowds like when you guys have seen the movie? I'm anxious to see what they are like here...

[markolas]

I thought that flashback was Ennis flashing back to the rancher from his childhood who was beaten to death for being gay. I felt as if Ennis was seeing that because Ennis himself had been a part of that. If I remember correctly, the person being beaten in the scene is having the same things done to him that Ennis said were done to the gay rancher. But, it could be that Ennis knew the real story of what happened to Jack and that flashback was what was running through his mind.

That's what I thought, too, although I don't think Jake was having the same things done to him as the rancher that Ennis saw. It does make more sense that the wife was the one having the flashbacks. It was all going by so fast that it was hard for me to make heads or tails of it. But you're right about it being spellbinding.

[markolas]

what are the crowds like when you guys have seen the movie? I'm anxious to see what they are like here...

It was mostly older people when I went to see it. There was also a middle-aged gay male couple, and some lesbians. But mostly old people. Like, really old.

[stargazer99]

what are the crowds like when you guys have seen the movie? I'm anxious to see what they are like here...

I live in one of the most conservative cities in the U.S. (Seriously. It was actually listed as one of the top 5 most conservative cities in the U.S. in some article I read.) You live in a very conservative city as well, correct?

The theater wasn't filled to capacity, but it was pretty full. All ages were pretty much represented. I saw everyone from a group of teenage girls to at least one or two older couples. There were a lot more women than men. The only men I saw were with wives or girlfriends.

I think a lot of peope were pretty moved by it. I noticed a lot of sniffling by the end of the movie. And the majority of the crowd sat there through the credits, and weren't saying much when they left the theater.

I was pretty pleasantly surprised by the overall response, considering I wanted to slap some people before the movie. One guy in the concession line joked to his wife that he bought two tickets for Brokeback Mountain, snickered, and told her she'd be seeing the movie by herself if she wanted to see it. She started to respond to him with what I believe was going to be a statement about her not being able to sit through it, but she was cutoff by the girl waiting on her. When they were walking away, I heard him say "It would be an agenda Oscar". When I walked into the theater, there was a group of women in front of me, who were talking about how their husbands refused to see it. One was saying she asked her husband why he didn't want to see a "#1 movie", and her husband said didn't want to see "Bareback Mountain." (I take it he's a Michael Savage lemming. :rolleyes: )

[dissention]

I was always under the impression that Ennis' fears of being "found out" by other people were playing out when he was being told about Jack's death. He seemed skeptical about the circumstances of Jack's death and imagined that he had been murdered with a tire iron, just like that man from his childhood, as a result of other men finding out Jack was gay. I don't think that's how Jack died. Ennis just doesn't know what he believes about Jack's death. I read the script and that pretty much confirmed what I had thought.

[sparky]

I was always under the impression that Ennis' fears of being "found out" by other people were playing out when he was being told about Jack's death. He seemed skeptical about the circumstances of Jack's death and imagined that he had been murdered with a tire iron, just like that man from his childhood, as a result of other men finding out Jack was gay. I don't think that's how Jack died. Ennis just doesn't know what he believes about Jack's death. I read the script and that pretty much confirmed what I had thought.


Ditto this. The scene is an image that is in the mind of Ennis. I am eagerly awaiting the DVD, only because I want to freeze frame this awful scene and see if Jack had a mustache or not. Ultimately, it does not matter what happened to Jack. The point is that Ennis' fear of what he envisioned happened to Jack is what most prevented them from being together.

In the story, when Ennis hears about the other rancher at the Twist house, it is written "So now he knew it had been the tire iron." The movie and the story are certainly two different things, but then again, at the end of the story it is also written, "There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it."

So, the question is still there, but the answer does not matter.

Let me also say that after I have immersed myself in this story and this movie for the last seven weeks of my life, I have stumbled upon something I had not thought about in a long time.

PART OF ME IS CONSUMED WITH ANGER.

I am so f*cking sick and tired of the fact that so many people have to lie about their feelings. The fact that I have had to wait until I am 40 years old to see a love story on film about two men I can relate to creates a burning rage in me so immense that I hardly know what to do with it. I see people still talking about being gay as something that is somehow evil and wrong and having witnessed the psychic and physical destruction created by those attitudes I feel a simmering, incendiary resentment that could consume everything around me with it's force. It makes me want to break things, crush things, and be violent. It's not the movie. It's forty years of second best treatment, put down jokes, insulting television characters, hateful religions, and accumulated sadness for all the people out there who have suffered needlessly. So far, I have not encountered anything out there in the world along the lines of a jackass in a movie theatre making nasty jokes, and I have not witnessed any outright harrassment of gay people. But, I tell you what, God help the person who does this in front of me. God help them.

[markolas]

Ditto this. The scene is an image that is in the mind of Ennis. I am eagerly awaiting the DVD, only because I want to freeze frame this awful scene and see if Jack had a mustache or not. Ultimately, it does not matter what happened to Jack. The point is that Ennis' fear of what he envisioned happened to Jack is what most prevented them from being together.

That was my initial impression, too. I really shouldn't be so quick to second-guess myself.

Let me also say that after I have immersed myself in this story and this movie for the last seven weeks of my life, I have stumbled upon something I had not thought about in a long time.

PART OF ME IS CONSUMED WITH ANGER.

I am so f*cking sick and tired of the fact that so many people have to lie about their feelings. The fact that I have had to wait until I am 40 years old to see a love story on film about two men I can relate to creates a burning rage in me so immense that I hardly know what to do with it. I see people still talking about being gay as something that is somehow evil and wrong and having witnessed the psychic and physical destruction created by those attitudes I feel a simmering, incendiary resentment that could consume everything around me with it's force. It makes me want to break things, crush things, and be violent. It's not the movie. It's forty years of second best treatment, put down jokes, insulting television characters, hateful religions, and accumulated sadness for all the people out there who have suffered needlessly. So far, I have not encountered anything out there in the world along the lines of a jackass in a movie theatre making nasty jokes, and I have not witnessed any outright harrassment of gay people. But, I tell you what, God help the person who does this in front of me. God help them.

I've been feeling this, too, brought out in part by seeing the movie. I've found myself thoroughly unable to watch television anymore because people like me are so rarely represented, and when they are, it's something like Will & Grace, which is so mind-numbingly stupid that words can't even begin to describe it. Say what you will about Queer As Folk, but at least it portrayed gay people as having real feelings, even if it painted a very narrow picture of what we're like.

Eh...I started to post some other stuff here, but it would probably piss off most, if not all, of the heterosexuals on the board, so I'll keep it to myself. :D Suffice it to say that I find myself with practically no tolerance for the way that gay people are made to feel as if we don't exist.

[BombaySapphire3]

I have not witnessed any outright harrassment of gay people. But, I tell you what, God help the person who does this in front of me. God help them.
At 40 years of age?All I can say is that you must have lived an incredibly insular life.

[dissention]

Ditto this. The scene is an image that is in the mind of Ennis. I am eagerly awaiting the DVD, only because I want to freeze frame this awful scene and see if Jack had a mustache or not.

I did with the screener I got and he's got the Pornstache on in all it's glory.

Let me also say that after I have immersed myself in this story and this movie for the last seven weeks of my life, I have stumbled upon something I had not thought about in a long time.

PART OF ME IS CONSUMED WITH ANGER.

I am so f*cking sick and tired of the fact that so many people have to lie about their feelings. The fact that I have had to wait until I am 40 years old to see a love story on film about two men I can relate to creates a burning rage in me so immense that I hardly know what to do with it. I see people still talking about being gay as something that is somehow evil and wrong and having witnessed the psychic and physical destruction created by those attitudes I feel a simmering, incendiary resentment that could consume everything around me with it's force. It makes me want to break things, crush things, and be violent. It's not the movie. It's forty years of second best treatment, put down jokes, insulting television characters, hateful religions, and accumulated sadness for all the people out there who have suffered needlessly. So far, I have not encountered anything out there in the world along the lines of a jackass in a movie theatre making nasty jokes, and I have not witnessed any outright harrassment of gay people. But, I tell you what, God help the person who does this in front of me. God help them.

I wrote out a big, long reply to this and then deleted it. I knew what I wanted to say in my head, but when typed out, it was an embarrassing jumble of utter ****. I have never agonized over a post like that ever before. Sometimes you just can't find the right words and it's such a bitch.

In any event, reading that touched me a bit for a few reasons and I seem incapable of articulating exactly why.

[sparky]

At 40 years of age?All I can say is that you must have lived an incredibly insular life.

No. I haven't at all. I grew up in a rural environment, and I work in an environment with 90% straight guys. Many of them boneheads on film and TV sets. Not insular at all. As an adult, say from 21 onward, I have not seen anything I needed to do anything about. Call me lucky. In high school, sure. But not since I have been a man.

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and am assuming your comment was not meant as some kind of insult. My life has not been led like a veal raised in a box. More of my time out is spent with straight people than gay. But then again, I do live in Los Angeles. In fact, I spent this entire evening in a straight bar. Everyone thought I was straight, I guess. Women tried to hit on me, and the married couple my friend and I were with actually made some good natured brokeback related jokes with a lady who was trying to scam me. Maybe it was the cowboy hat. She asked who was with whom, because she didn't dance with married guys, and the guy said, putting his arm around me, "I am with him, so we can both dance with you." He was with his wife and I was with my good friend who is a girl.

She responded with "Oh, you're like those guys in the cowboy movie." We all laughed, and he hugged me and said "Yup, this is my guy." Not a bad word mentioned, not a negative vibe felt. We all laughed and kept drinking and telling stories. The married couple we were with never asked if I was gay or straight, and it wasn't an issue. So, no, I do not live an insular life at all. We were at an Irish straight rock and roll bar in Van Nuys. Dave and I had our arms around each other frequently. We punched each other and wrestled around. I just met him and his wife tonight. Not a peep. From anyone.

[BombaySapphire3]

I did not mean the comment as an insult .I was genuinely surprised that a gay man around my age would not have seen any overtly homophobic or anti -gay behavior .I had left California for several years fairly recently and lived in Kansas City where I felt an atmosphere of homophobia and racism until I moved back here 3 years ago.Once while in a midtown restaurant often frequented by gays a young gay guy walked from the restroom to his table and I overheard another young white male at another table say to his friends " I hate fags let's go kill him ' and then he laughed.This is just an extreme example of homophobic behavior I witnessed there, much of it perpetrated by so called "Christians'.I also spent much of my youth and young adulthood living in conservative San Diego and walking along University ave .there where several gay clubs were, anti gay slurs were routinely yelled at pedestrians .I have friends who were recenty gay bashed even in San Francisco.I do understand that everyone's frame of reference is different and I share your anger and frustration over homophobia and the hyprocrisy of the Christian right.I myself have no intention of remaining silent the next time I witness any blatant anti-gay behavior or discrimnation .I have more than had my fill.

[dissention]

Aren't the SAG awards tonight? If Heath, Felicity Huffman, Amy Adams, and Arrested Development won awards, I'd plotz.

[sparky]

Aren't the SAG awards tonight? If Heath, Felicity Huffman, Amy Adams, and Arrested Development won awards, I'd plotz.

Yeah, they are tonight, and I think they are televised. I may have to scam my TV buddy to watch them. My question is how can they be very long ? How many awards would they even have to give ?

[dissention]

Yeah, they are tonight, and I think they are televised. I may have to scam my TV buddy to watch them. My question is how can they be very long ? How many awards would they even have to give ?

http://imdb.com/features/rto/2006/sags

Can't imagine it would be longer than two hours since the awards are just for acting and they're going to edit it. My DirecTV schedule says it's televised on TNT on February 5. But I just want to know if my faves win. Since I like them, they probably won't. :laugh:

Hoffman will win best actor. Blergh.
Amy Adams won't win.
Arrested Development won't win.
George Clooney will win supporting actor. Cool beans.
This should all just be up to me.
Spread word about town for me.
I'll pick the deserving ones.
I will.

[dissention]

Fug, all these winners suck. I've come to the conclusion that awards voters are all crack smokers. "Crash" winning anything hurts my everything. What a piece of **** that whole movie was; filled with performances so stolid and self-aware that it was comical. Ditto for "Desperate Housewives," that show just sucks teabags. How on Earth can anyone watch "Housewives" and find that cast to be superior to the cast of "Arrested Development"? How can someone watch Hoffman and vote for him over Ledger? These are burning questions, people. Ugh.

End rant. :laugh:

[GypsySorcerer]

Fug, all these winners suck. I've come to the conclusion that awards voters are all crack smokers. "Crash" winning anything hurts my everything. What a piece of **** that whole movie was; filled with performances so stolid and self-aware that it was comical. Ditto for "Desperate Housewives," that show just sucks teabags. How on Earth can anyone watch "Housewives" and find that cast to be superior to the cast of "Arrested Development"? How can someone watch Hoffman and vote for him over Ledger? These are burning questions, people. Ugh.

End rant. :laugh:

These award shows just suck, that's all. I thought Giamatti was wrongly snubbed by the Oscars for Sideways, but giving him the SAG for Cinderella Man? Come on.

[Serrart]

How can someone watch Hoffman and vote for him over Ledger? These are burning questions, people. Ugh.

End rant. :laugh:

Did he win? :thumbsup: . Luckily one of the best American talents is getting the recognition he deserves with a stellar, complex performance. I think Ledger still has to prove he can go further a meat & potatoes kind of acting.

Brokeback Mountain and Lee have to win those Oscars though.

Romy

[dissention]

These award shows just suck, that's all. I thought Giamatti was wrongly snubbed by the Oscars for Sideways, but giving him the SAG for Cinderella Man? Come on.

No ****. I was very surprised Clooney didn't win. And what was up with all of those horrific introductions? Whoever wrote them needs to take up another job. The stuff that Ledger and Gyllenhaal were made to say made me cringe. And they both came off as drunk. Either that or were amazed at the sheer awfulness of what they were reading on the teleprompter.

And Sean Hayes? What a little bitch. :laugh:

[dissention]

Did he win? :thumbsup: . Luckily one of the best American talents is getting the recognition he deserves with a stellar, complex performance. I think Ledger still has to prove he can go further a meat & potatoes kind of acting.

Brokeback Mountain and Lee have to win those Oscars though.


His performance in BBM wasn't "meat & potatoes kind of acting"? I find that shocking.

Sorry, I still don't believe that awards should be doled out based on an actors past resume. If that's the case, they should cease to nominate them for specific performances and instead just nominate the actors & make the awards the obvious popularity contests that they've been for years.

[Serrart]

His performance in BBM wasn't "meat & potatoes kind of acting"? I find that shocking.

Sorry, I still don't believe that awards should be doled out based on an actors past resume. If that's the case, they should cease to nominate them for specific performances and instead just nominate the actors & make the awards the obvious popularity contests that they've been for years.

I think Hoffman's performance, it's far more complex and inspired than Ledger, who is a meat & potaoes kind of actor in the sense that IMO he's able to give a beautiful performance only under an attentive guide who put him into emotional boundaries. Lee (as most Asian directors) is a master in putting those boundaries to the actors who need them (Gyllenhaal and Williams didn't, for example).

Besides, I don't care at all for awards, especially Oscars. But if they have to give them to someone I prefer to see them given to fantastic talents who would find this way more and more interesting parts.

Romy

[dissention]

Why does she do it? :laugh:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a86/Pritchard71/AnneHathaway.jpg

[GypsySorcerer]

No ****. I was very surprised Clooney didn't win. And what was up with all of those horrific introductions? Whoever wrote them needs to take up another job. The stuff that Ledger and Gyllenhaal were made to say made me cringe. And they both came off as drunk. Either that or were amazed at the sheer awfulness of what they were reading on the teleprompter.

And Sean Hayes? What a little bitch. :laugh:

I'd be very surprised if Clooney walks away empty-handed on Oscar night this year.

I couldn't believe the Ledger/Gyllenhaal introductions. :shocked: Horrible writing, and Ledger especially seemed blitzed.

[dissention]

I think Hoffman's performance, it's far more complex and inspired than Ledger

I would hardly call it inspired & complex. Good performance? Yeah. Nothing earthshattering or revelatory, especially by his standards. That would have to be his performance in Love, Liza. His take on Capote is what I would have expected from a gifted actor who studied Capote for a bit.

who is a meat & potaoes kind of actor in the sense that IMO he's able to give a beautiful performance only under an attentive guide who put him into emotional boundaries.

I don't agree and think you're giving Lee more credit than he deserves. The man has made **** movies for the past five years, but seeing a lot of them again after seeing Brokeback Mountain, I truly believe that he's got a range that's immeasurable. He disappears into the characters he plays like almost no other actor I've seen and it's almost jarring to see an interview with him because it becomes even more obvious how true that is. It's just a shame that he hasn't picked projects that, for the most part, are on par with his talent, especially since he seems so in love with acting. And it's a shame that it took this one movie for me to see what an actor he is.

We all watch movies in a way that's colored by our own preferences and experiences, and I personally never saw a performance by another actor that affected me as deeply as his in Brokeback Mountain. Watching him was like an out of body experience. It set the bar for me.

Lee (as most Asian directors) is a master in putting those boundaries to the actors who need them (Gyllenhaal and Williams didn't, for example).

Meh.

Besides, I don't care at all for awards, especially Oscars. But if they have to give them to someone I prefer to see them given to fantastic talent who would find these ways more and more interesting parts.

I enjoy awards shows, but only when the people I want to win do. :laugh:

[dissention]

I'd be very surprised if Clooney walks away empty-handed on Oscar night this year.

I'd be willing to bet he gets best original screenplay for Good Night and Good Luck.

I couldn't believe the Ledger/Gyllenhaal introductions. :shocked: Horrible writing, and Ledger especially seemed blitzed.

Who could have acted normal with Gyllenhaal's ridiculous bow tie less than two feet away? That thing was bigger than him.

[GypsySorcerer]

I'd be willing to bet he gets best original screenplay for Good Night and Good Luck.
He'll either get that or Supporting. Happy for him, he's had a good year.

Who could have acted normal with Gyllenhaal's ridiculous bow tie less than two feet away? That thing was bigger than him.
Normally, I do not find Gyllenhaal to be all that attractive, but tonight, I found him delish. :shocked:

[dissention]

He'll either get that or Supporting. Happy for him, he's had a good year.

He really has and deserves something for it. He's one of the main causes for movies suddenly becoming good and interesting once again.

Normally, I do not find Gyllenhaal to be all that attractive, but tonight, I found him delish. :shocked:

I think he's a cute (though not nearly on the same level as Sparky thinks he is, but who does? :laugh: ), but tonight he looked like a nine year old ring-bearer to me.

:sorry:

[GypsySorcerer]

He really has and deserves something for it. He's one of the main causes for movies suddenly becoming good and interesting once again.
I'm in love with him. :laugh: Have you read this piece? http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11077661/site/newsweek/
Love the group pic, too.


I think he's a cute (though not nearly on the same level as Sparky, but who does? :laugh: ), but tonight he looked like a nine year old ring-bearer to me.

:sorry:

:laugh: It's like I noticed him for the first time tonight. But, of course, I defer to Sparky on the Jakester.

[dissention]

I'm in love with him. :laugh: Have you read this piece? http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11077661/site/newsweek/
Love the group pic, too.

He has such a goofball sense of humor, I love it!! Thanks for the link, I'm off to read it. :)

:laugh: It's like I noticed him for the first time tonight.

He totally looked like a child tonight.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/dissention_1/child.jpg

But, of course, I defer to Sparky on the Jakester.

You'd have to, he'd probably cut a bitch.

[GypsySorcerer]

He totally looked like a child tonight.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/dissention_1/child.jpg

Well, kind of. But still really cute. :laugh:

[dissention]

Well, kind of. But still really cute. :laugh:

Oh, sure. But jailbait cute. With a big dash of dorkiness due to that evil bow tie.

I was just happy to see that Ledger's teeth seemed whiter and less wonky. Perhaps he finally got that first bleach treatment. He's so fine until he opens his mouth and shows off them choppers, I'm telling ya.

[sparky]

Who could have acted normal with Gyllenhaal's ridiculous bow tie less than two feet away? That thing was bigger than him.

I could pop that bow tie off him so fast, along with the rest of his clothes, that he would forget he ever had them on. I care not about the tie, only the hunk of burnin' Jake it resided upon tonight.

[stargazer99]

We all watch movies in a way that's colored by our own preferences and experiences, and I personally never saw a performance by another actor that affected me as deeply as his in Brokeback Mountain. Watching him was like an out of body experience. It set the bar for me.

:nod:

I went into this movie thinking that all the glowing reviews might ruin my experience. When people rave so much about a movie, I often tend to feel let down when I see it. But that wasn't the case at all with this movie, and particularly, with Heath's performance.

I'll be the first to admit that I'm far from an expert on acting. And I'm definitely no movie reviewer. I tend to be a very literal thinker. Because I'm a literal thinker, I've never done well in literature, art and film classes because I have a tough time interpreting complex, subjective pieces of work. I often have a tough time "getting" symbolism, etc., and do better with very straight forward material. But this movie, and Heath's performance in particular, did such a wonderful job of conveying so many emotions, etc., without spoon feeding them to me. His performance is the only performance I can remember that affected me like this. He did such a great job of conveying emotion with very few words. I could literally feel what the character was feeling. It was a very moving performance.

I haven't seen any of the other nominated performances, so I can't compare them to Heath's. But, IMHO, they'd have to be pretty damn spectacular to top Heath's performance in this movie.

I'm in love with him. Have you read this piece? http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11077661/site/newsweek/
Love the group pic, too.

I love him, too! And I have even more respect for him after reading and seeing several interviews with him this past year. Unfortunately, I haven't seen either of his movies yet, and probably will end up watching them on DVD.

Oh, and I love that picture. He's so adorable!

[DavidMn]

I could pop that bow tie off him so fast, along with the rest of his clothes, that he would forget he ever had them on. I care not about the tie, only the hunk of burnin' Jake it resided upon tonight.Amen brother!!

[Serrart]

I would hardly call it inspired & complex. Good performance? Yeah. Nothing earthshattering or revelatory, especially by his standards. That would have to be his performance in Love, Liza. His take on Capote is what I would have expected from a gifted actor who studied Capote for a bit.



I don't agree and think you're giving Lee more credit than he deserves. The man has made **** movies for the past five years, but seeing a lot of them again after seeing Brokeback Mountain, I truly believe that he's got a range that's immeasurable. He disappears into the characters he plays like almost no other actor I've seen and it's almost jarring to see an interview with him because it becomes even more obvious how true that is. It's just a shame that he hasn't picked projects that, for the most part, are on par with his talent, especially since he seems so in love with acting. And it's a shame that it took this one movie for me to see what an actor he is.

We all watch movies in a way that's colored by our own preferences and experiences, and I personally never saw a performance by another actor that affected me as deeply as his in Brokeback Mountain. Watching him was like an out of body experience. It set the bar for me.



Meh.



I enjoy awards shows, but only when the people I want to win do. :laugh:


We just have different point of views. You don't see Lee as a great director I think he's one of the best of his generation, and made my thesis at university about him. The only movies in his filmography that I find irrisolved, Ride With the Devil and Hulk, are for me more interesting that 90% of Hollywood nonsense.

2) You just discovered this immense talent that Heath Ledger is, although I can't forget that in 2005 he was non existent in The brothers Grimm (at least Damon was decent), and transformed Casanova in a demented Alfie (better that Law, but still...).

Time will tell who's right.

Romy

[BombaySapphire3]

We just have different point of views. You don't see Lee as a great director I think he's one of the best of his generation, and made my thesis at university about him. The only movies in his filmography that I find irrisolved, Ride With the Devil and Hulk, are for me more interesting that 90% of Hollywood nonsense.

2) You just discovered this immense talent that Heath Ledger is, although I can't forget that in 2005 he was non existent in The brothers Grimm (at least Damon was decent), and transformed Casanova in a demented Alfie (better that Law, but still...).

Time will tell who's right.

Romy
I thought Ride With The Devil was a very good film,capturing the era and location almost presciently well for a non American director .The Hulk IMO is his one misfire.

[Serrart]

I thought Ride With The Devil was a very good film,capturing the era and location almost presciently well for a non American director .The Hulk IMO is his one misfire.

I like a lot Ride With The Devil, especially for the scenes in the winter. Actually it seems now an ideal prologue to Brokeback Mountain. As a whole I find it loses some tension and intensity at times though.

Romy

[dissention]

2) You just discovered this immense talent that Heath Ledger is, although I can't forget that in 2005 he was non existent in The brothers Grimm (at least Damon was decent)

Everyone in that movie was nonexistent. It was a horrific excuse for a movie, actually. I want my money back.

and transformed Casanova in a demented Alfie (better that Law, but still...).

I enjoyed Casanova immensely. Lasse Hallstrom is one of very few directors that can take such ridiculous featherweight material and make it so magical that one forgets about the underlying stupidity of it all, which I find particularly amusing since he generally works with darker material.

Time will tell who's right.

There really is no right or wrong, just personal preference. I highly doubt that time will change my high opinion of his performance in Brokeback Mountain or that he's almost chameleon-like when it comes to the roles he plays. He could never make another movie and I'd still consider him a great actor.

[Serrart]

Everyone in that movie was nonexistent. It was a horrific excuse for a movie, actually. I want my money back.

Oh well... I didn't pay to see it at least. When you'll have the immense urge to see it again I'll pay for the rental. ;)


I enjoyed Casanova immensely. Lasse Hallstrom is one of very few directors that can take such ridiculous featherweight material and make it so magical that one forgets about the underlying stupidity of it all, which I find particularly amusing since he generally works with darker material.

Such ridiculous featherlike material inspired one of Fellini's masterpieces and had in Sutherland an amazing leading actor. Casanova was a great writer, almost a philosopher and his duality with Don Juan deserved more attention and a better actor in the leading role. I'm sure Lasse Hallstrom could have found some real character to trash also in Sweden or Hollywood, without thinking to Italy.

By the way I don't want to say that Heath Ledger is a bad actor, I've never thought it, not even watching him in the teen movies. I think he has a lot of potential but still has a long road ahead to be able to express it. If he won the Oscars, good for him, it wouldn't be a scandal, but it's too soon.

Romy

[dissention]

Oh well... I didn't pay to see it at least. When you'll have the immense urge to see it again I'll pay for the rental. ;)

While I'm touched by the offer, I'm pretty sure that's one urge that won't be taking me over anytime soon. :laugh:

Such ridiculous featherlike material inspired one of Fellini's masterpieces and had in Sutherland an amazing leading actor. Casanova was a great writer, almost a philosopher and his duality with Don Juan deserved more attention and a better actor in the leading role. I'm sure Lasse Hallstrom could have found some real character to trash also in Sweden or Hollywood, without thinking to Italy.

And you expected Hallstrom to take a similar approach? Are you comparing the featherweight material found in his movie to that of the contents of Fellini's? No wonder you disliked it so greatly. I doubt I would have enjoyed it much at all if it was anything like Fellini's bloated masterpiece.

The only likeness to the actual Casanova is the name. It's as loosely based as movies get. Maybe if Hallstrom had found Chesty Morgan and put her in his movie he would have gained some more credibility.

By the way I don't want to say that Heath Ledger is a bad actor, I've never thought it, not even watching him in the teen movies. I think he has a lot of potential but still has a long road ahead to be able to express it. If he won the Oscars, good for him, it wouldn't be a scandal, but it's too soon.

We'll have to agree to disagree, as always. :laugh: At least no one can accuse us of never having fun discussions, eh?

[Serrart]

And you expected Hallstrom to take a similar approach? Are you comparing the featherweight material found in his movie to that of the contents of Fellini's? No wonder you disliked it so greatly. I doubt I would have enjoyed it much at all if it was anything like Fellini's bloated masterpiece.

The only likeness to the actual Casanova is the name. It's as loosely based as movies get. Maybe if Hallstrom had found Chesty Morgan and put her in his movie he would have gained some more credibility.

What I don' t like of Hallstrom is his tendency to compromise. I would have loved a real divertissement, a hilarious character assassination and he definitely had the culture to do it, but he preferred a trip to Disneyland for a young public that ignored his movie in any case. I think he has the talent to make great films but his recent choice to go for "cute movies" is discouraging.

We'll have to agree to disagree, as always. :laugh: At least no one can accuse us of never having fun discussions, eh?

I guess not. :cool:

Romy

[bikerchic]

I live in one of the most conservative cities in the U.S. (Seriously. It was actually listed as one of the top 5 most conservative cities in the U.S. in some article I read.) You live in a very conservative city as well, correct?

The theater wasn't filled to capacity, but it was pretty full. All ages were pretty much represented. I saw everyone from a group of teenage girls to at least one or two older couples. There were a lot more women than men. The only men I saw were with wives or girlfriends.

I think a lot of peope were pretty moved by it. I noticed a lot of sniffling by the end of the movie. And the majority of the crowd sat there through the credits, and weren't saying much when they left the theater.

I was pretty pleasantly surprised by the overall response, considering I wanted to slap some people before the movie. One guy in the concession line joked to his wife that he bought two tickets for Brokeback Mountain, snickered, and told her she'd be seeing the movie by herself if she wanted to see it. She started to respond to him with what I believe was going to be a statement about her not being able to sit through it, but she was cutoff by the girl waiting on her. When they were walking away, I heard him say "It would be an agenda Oscar". When I walked into the theater, there was a group of women in front of me, who were talking about how their husbands refused to see it. One was saying she asked her husband why he didn't want to see a "#1 movie", and her husband said didn't want to see "Bareback Mountain." (I take it he's a Michael Savage lemming. :rolleyes: )
Ok, I haven't read this whole thread, its just too long and I didn't want to read any spoilers. I really want to see this movie, but my husband won't go see it with me. Partly because he never goes to the show anyway and partly because he's homophobic, I guess :shrug: I don't know how to explain him. I mean he love's girl on girl action (gay or straight) but is completly grossed out by two men. I guess that's pretty typical of a heterosexual male (you know, what would his biker buddies think) Anyhow, should I go see it alone or try to find a girlfriend that will go see it with me? Like I said this may have been discussed already but I can't read 27 pages right now :laugh:

[sparky]

Ok, I haven't read this whole thread, its just too long and I didn't want to read any spoilers. I really want to see this movie, but my husband won't go see it with me. Partly because he never goes to the show anyway and partly because he's homophobic, I guess :shrug: I don't know how to explain him. I mean he love's girl on girl action (gay or straight) but is completly grossed out by two men. I guess that's pretty typical of a heterosexual male (you know, what would his biker buddies think) Anyhow, should I go see it alone or try to find a girlfriend that will go see it with me? Like I said this may have been discussed already but I can't read 27 pages right now :laugh:

Go see it alone if you don't like people to see you cry. Take a girlfriend if you don't care. I can't imagine you'd have a problem finding a girl to go watch Jake and Heath make out. It seems straight girls are getting as into that these days as straight guys are into girl on girl.

[Rickypt]

Sparky, please check your PM for a BB Mountain thing.

[bikerchic]

It seems straight girls are getting as into that these days as straight guys are into girl on girl.
Oh good, so I'm not the only one :laugh: I'm going this weekend, I'll let you know what I think. :thumbsup:

[DavidMn]

Oh good, so I'm not the only one :laugh: I'm going this weekend, I'll let you know what I think. :thumbsup:I saw it last night. You'll love it!:thumbsup:

[bikerchic]

Better late then never. I finally saw the movie last nite. Wow, what can I say that already hasn't been said. It was so beautiful, yet so sad. Here are a couple of my observations:

I was going to go alone but was able to talk my 16 year old son into going with me (he's hetro).

1. The theater was about half full with mostly young to medium aged women with a couple of men. Alot of mothers with their teenage daughters which I thought was interesting. And there was laughter also with the scene when Ennis's wife see's the kiss.

2. Heath gets hotter with age and Jake is hotter younger (yes, this is very important :laugh:)

3. I thought there was just the right amount of sex in the movie to be tasteful.

4. I wish there was some hand holding too. Especially in the pick up truck when Jack picked Ennis up after their first reunion when they showed the truck drive away (on the way to the motel).

5. That hug that Ennis and Jack had when Jack first came to visit Ennis after the 4 years was so real and powerful and I could really feel their love for one another. I missed the lip biting blood, which makes that kiss even more meaningful.

6. The shirt scene was unbelievably sad, especially with the shirts switched around at the end (yes, I did notice this). Wow, that scene was powerful.

5. I think Jack was definately killed by gay bashing and Ennis and Jack's wife knew that.

6. Ennis going to Jack's parents home and seeing how poor Jack was as a child really made me sad.

7. I think Jack's mom knew Jack was gay. (Giving Ennis the bag to put the shirts in).

Questions:

1. You guys were saying you knew who was straight and who was gay in the theaters, how the hell do you tell?

2. Someone had said in an earlier post that maybe the two men were staight and had a primal gay encounter (cause they were horney) or one was straight and one was gay or both were gay, what do you guy's think? (does that make sense?)

3. Do you think Jack's father-in-law was behind his death?

That's all I can think of for now. I'll post more if I think of anything else.

This movie also really touched me and I can't stop thinking about it also. I thought too that I might be disappointed after all the hype but wasn't although I did find it alittle slow at the beginning. Overall, excellent, excellent movie!

[JazmenFlowers]

I saw it last night. I was really touched and moved by parts of it; I would've changed a few things, but it was really well done in all aspects. I really can't add anything to what has already been said. I thought it was a really good movie...not outstanding. It is, however, worthy of everything it's receiving. It's a fine piece of work.

I had problems with how Jack actually died too...I can't figure that out.

[stargazer99]

My thoughts on a some of your questions/observations.


5. That hug that Ennis and Jack had when Jack first came to visit Ennis after the 4 years was so real and powerful and I could really feel their love for one another. I missed the lip biting blood, which makes that kiss even more meaningful.

It was so powerful, wasn't it? I loved that scene.


6. The shirt scene was unbelievably sad, especially with the shirts switched around at the end (yes, I did notice this). Wow, that scene was powerful.

That scene made me lose it. The whole scene was incredibly sad, but him finding the shirt was just agonizing to watch. I didn't notice the switch at the end, though.

5. I think Jack was definately killed by gay bashing and Ennis and Jack's wife knew that.

Yes, I think he was killed that way. I'm not sure if Ennis knew or not, but I believe the wife definitely did, and made up a story to cover it up because she didn't want to admit that her husband was gay. I especially believed that when I saw the look on her face when Ennis tells her who he is, and she realizes he was Jack's lover. She became incredibly cold to him after that point. And the fact that you could tell she was obsessively biting her nails, to the point that you could see the red nail polish between her teeth.


7. I think Jack's mom knew Jack was gay. (Giving Ennis the bag to put the shirts in).

She definitely knew, and I believe the dad did as well. When he talked about Jack's plan to ranch with Ennis, and then the other guy... he said it with such disgust. And his angry refusal to let Ennis take Jack's ashes. Oh, he knew, too. But the mother was very compassionate about it, and I think she was truly glad to meet the person that Jack was in love with for so many years.

3. Do you think Jack's father-in-law was behind his death?

That thought definitely crossed my mind! He hated Jack to begin with. I definitely see him finding out about Jack, and then killing him (or hiring others to do so). That would also add to the wife's reasons for lying about how he died.

I'm glad you liked it! Sounds like you got a lot of the same things out of the movie as I did. :)

[bikerchic]

She definitely knew, and I believe the dad did as well. When he talked about Jack's plan to ranch with Ennis, and then the other guy... he said it with such disgust. And his angry refusal to let Ennis take Jack's ashes. Oh, he knew, too.

Ya.....now that you say that.......I believe his dad knew.

[Beachwood Mac]

I was going to go alone but was able to talk my 16 year old son into going with me (he's hetro).



If your son doesn't mind you sharing, what was his opinion of the movie?

I was surprised to hear on the Oprah interview that the script had been floating around for many years. Perhaps the cultural and political climate today has allowed the movie to convey it's message to a more accepting audience.

Terry

[estranged4life]

seen it since we havent found anyplace around here that will show it, But I did see a similar titled movie recently (Check out the image in my signature for that great drama!!!)

[SuzeQuze]

seen it since we havent found anyplace around here that will show it, But I did see a similar titled movie recently (Check out the image in my signature for that great drama!!!)

Kickback Mountain. :lol: So they're not showing it around you, eh? :rolleyes:

[bikerchic]

If your son doesn't mind you sharing, what was his opinion of the movie?

Well, he really didn't what to go. He kept saying "I'm not going to see that fag movie", typical of a young hetero male teen, I think IMO. So I was quite surprised when he said he would go. I think he felt embarrased going and walking into the show but I also think he got over that pretty quick too. I would say he's homophobic in general but I think the movie really opened his mind and feelings towards homosexuals and that's why I wanted him to go and see it. Now keep in mind, he has to be "cool" with his friends and all, but he did tell me he thought it was "pretty good" and that he liked it, which also surprised me.

*Sidenote*: love scene in tent, on the uncomfortable meter, for me, about a 9 :laugh:

[DavidMn]

I saw it last night. I was really touched and moved by parts of it; I would've changed a few things, but it was really well done in all aspects. I really can't add anything to what has already been said. I thought it was a really good movie...not outstanding. It is, however, worthy of everything it's receiving. It's a fine piece of work.

I had problems with how Jack actually died too...I can't figure that out.Why do you think Jack's wife lied to Ennis about how he died?

[bikerchic]

Why do you think Jack's wife lied to Ennis about how he died?
I think partly because of disgust and denial and she didn't want anyone to find out that her husband was gay. It would ruin "her image".

[JazmenFlowers]

I think partly because of disgust and denial and she didn't want anyone to find out that her husband was gay. It would ruin "her image".
yep. I think so.

this movie reminds me of when my dog went AWOL. we looked and looked for her. we figured she was either dead or someone snatched her, but it was wondering where and what happened that bothered me the most - the not knowing and not being able to say goodbye...

[DavidMn]

yep. I think so.

this movie reminds me of when my dog went AWOL. we looked and looked for her. we figured she was either dead or someone snatched her, but it was wondering where and what happened that bothered me the most - the not knowing and not being able to say goodbye...Not knowing is the wordst man. Sorry that happened to you.:distress:

[bikerchic]

ok, so I was just watching some of the Brokeback Mountain stuff on youtube and I was wondering why does Jack's voice get high and weird when he's older?

[strandinthewind]

I think partly because of disgust and denial and she didn't want anyone to find out that her husband was gay. It would ruin "her image".

Ya know - I will never get this point of view about people. If you are married to someone and then they realize they are gay, it sort of to me is like "Well, I can't compete with that." Sure it would hurt because your life was built around them, etc. But, it also in some way must be better than leaving you for the opposite sex. In other words, maybe it is better than that. Who knows and I think I am just rambling and may I never find out.

[bikerchic]

I think partly because of disgust and denial and she didn't want anyone to find out that her husband was gay. It would ruin "her image".
Remember, this was 20 years ago. Things have changed abit, I think.

[strandinthewind]

I have received SO many BB jokes and this is, by far, one of my FAVORITES!!!!

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Ennis Del Mar - Jack Twist

Brokeback Mountain Grocery List
Summer 1963

WEEK ONE

Beans
Bacon
Coffee
Whiskey

WEEK TWO

Beans
Ham
Coffee
Whiskey

WEEK THREE

Beans al fresca
Thin-sliced Bacon
Hazelnut Coffee
Sky vodka & Tanqueray gin
K-Y gel

WEEK FOUR

Beans en salade
Pancetta
Coffee (espresso grind)
5-6 bottles best Chardonnay
2 tubes K-Y gel

WEEK FIVE

Fresh Fava beans
Jasmine rice
Prosciutto, approx. 8 ounces, thinly sliced
Medallions of veal
Porcini mushrooms
1/2 pint of heavy whipping cream
Cub Scout uniform, size 42 long
5-6 bottles French Bordeaux (Estate Reserve)
1 extra large bottle Astro-glide

WEEK SIX

Yukon Gold potatoes
Heavy whipping cream
Asparagus (very thin)
Organic Eggs
Spanish Lemons
Gruyere cheese (well aged)
Crushed Walnuts
Arugula
Clarified Butter
Extra Virgin Olive oil
Pure Balsamic vinegar
6 yards white silk organdy
6 yards pale ivory taffeta
3 Cases of Dom Perignon Masters Reserve
Large tin Crisco

[DavidMn]

I have received SO many BB jokes and this is, by far, one of my FAVORITES!!!!

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Ennis Del Mar - Jack Twist

Brokeback Mountain Grocery List
Summer 1963

WEEK ONE

Beans
Bacon
Coffee
Whiskey

WEEK TWO

Beans
Ham
Coffee
Whiskey

WEEK THREE

Beans al fresca
Thin-sliced Bacon
Hazelnut Coffee
Sky vodka & Tanqueray gin
K-Y gel

WEEK FOUR

Beans en salade
Pancetta
Coffee (espresso grind)
5-6 bottles best Chardonnay
2 tubes K-Y gel

WEEK FIVE

Fresh Fava beans
Jasmine rice
Prosciutto, approx. 8 ounces, thinly sliced
Medallions of veal
Porcini mushrooms
1/2 pint of heavy whipping cream
Cub Scout uniform, size 42 long
5-6 bottles French Bordeaux (Estate Reserve)
1 extra large bottle Astro-glide

WEEK SIX

Yukon Gold potatoes
Heavy whipping cream
Asparagus (very thin)
Organic Eggs
Spanish Lemons
Gruyere cheese (well aged)
Crushed Walnuts
Arugula
Clarified Butter
Extra Virgin Olive oil
Pure Balsamic vinegar
6 yards white silk organdy
6 yards pale ivory taffeta
3 Cases of Dom Perignon Masters Reserve
Large tin CriscoPoor Jack mustve been one sore bottom after all that huh? Not that that's a bad thing mind you...;)

[bikerchic]

I was searching Stevie in youtube and found this. I thought it was pretty cool. If you've already seen it, just ignore me then.

http://www.youtube.com/?v=v1WWaLEoFa4

Can someone tell me how to post the actual youtube screen rather then just the link? I'm not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to posting **** :rolleyes:

[Serrart]

I was searching Stevie in youtube and found this. I thought it was pretty cool. If you've already seen it, just ignore me then.

http://www.youtube.com/?v=v1WWaLEoFa4

Can someone tell me how to post the actual youtube screen rather then just the link? I'm not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to posting **** :rolleyes:

Scroll down till more or less the middle of the page, you'll find two urls. The one you need is for the embeddable player.

Romy

[bikerchic]

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Romy

Thank you, I'll try that :thumbsup:

[Miss Vicky]

I was searching Stevie in youtube and found this. I thought it was pretty cool. If you've already seen it, just ignore me then.

http://www.youtube.com/?v=v1WWaLEoFa4

Wow, I really didn't think it was possible for any band to come up with a version of this song that I hate even more than the one by the Dixie Bitches, but the Pumpkins have surely succeeded.

BTW, is this thread EVER going to die? I mean the movie was good, but come on already!
:laugh: :rolleyes:

[DavidMn]

Wow, I really didn't think it was possible for any band to come up with a version of this song that I hate even more than the one by the Dixie Bitches, but the Pumpkins have surely succeeded.

BTW, is this thread EVER going to die? I mean the movie was good, but come on already!
:laugh: :rolleyes:Ina word, no.:lol:

[diamondsnake]

I just saw the movie! Oh my God!!! It was heartbreaking. I almost cried at the end. I had goosebumps as Enis smelled Jack's old shirt. It was so sad.

My favorite part of the whole movie was Michelle Williams. I loved her performance. My only complaint with the film was that they didn't explore her struggle more.

It was a very challenging movie if you ask me. There were no explosions, very little talking, etc. But I am still so glad that I saw this film. I can't even express my thoughts right now. I am just so sad for these characters... And, I know they aren't real but it is just too horrible...

[skcin]

Ya know - I will never get this point of view about people. If you are married to someone and then they realize they are gay, it sort of to me is like "Well, I can't compete with that." Sure it would hurt because your life was built around them, etc. But, it also in some way must be better than leaving you for the opposite sex. In other words, maybe it is better than that. Who knows and I think I am just rambling and may I never find out.


No. No, it wouldn't be better. Not for me, anyway. Would you feel better if your lover ditched you for a chick rather than a boy? Maybe you would, I don't know. But I'd rather Mark leave me for a chick when he leaves. :laugh: I'll understand if she's hot & nice, but if she's bitchier, fatter and uglier than me, then I'll be pissed. :mad:

I have not read this entire 28 page thread, so sorry if I repeat.

I finally saw the movie. With my sisters-in-law at one of their homes. No boys around. I thought it was a very good movie - the more I think about it, I think it was a great movie. Don't know if it's one I'll be watching over & over again like Mask or Terms of Endearment, but I liked it.

The biggest thing that struck me was there was only 1 gay sex scene in the entire movie, and they got that "out of the way" in the first 20 minutes. Almost like Ang Lee (or the writers, I don't know) knew that the gay sex would be a big deal for many & they didn't want that to be the point of the movie. Focus on the love story rather than the men buttf*cking. :laugh: Seriously, though. There were more hetero sex scenes than homo ones. And I thought that was a great decision. Like Sparky said, this is a LOVE story, not a gay story.

The sex scene did...I can't find the word. Shock me? Surprise me? Scare me? Not sure. It was so sudden, and violent, and primal, and urgent. It all happened so fast & was over just as fast & that was it.

Now. The kiss is another story. :shocked: I did NOT see that scene coming, I thought sure they'd chat a little & then take off after he met Ennis' fam. It was so passionate and necessary, I thought it was great.

I knew nothing of the ending, so that threw me for a loop too. When I saw the card said "deceased" I thought that maybe the wife wanted to cut contact & lied & sent the card back. I must say if they didn't do that quick flash sequence showing the beating, I would never have thought it was anything other than the accident she claimed. That's how naive & stupid I am. :rolleyes:

And I think her dad did set it up. Remember when Jack & his wife were at dinner with that other couple, and later outside the guy mentioned they should get a cabin & go fishing some weekend (wink wink)? Well, I think that between that & the little trips to Mexico, someone found out & wifey ran to daddy. He had never liked Jack anyway, and he was not about to have anyone knowing that his precious daughter's husband was a faggot, so he offed him. Sickening.

Ennis is so lonely now. :( Yeah, he's not a real person. Whatever. I'm sad for him anyway.


A few random thoughts:

*Giggling when we thought about Ennis' name - way too close to penis or anus. Teehee.

*Heath Ledger was unbelievable. I'm not a fan, but I don't dislike the guy. But he was outstanding in this.

*They kept talking about these hunting & fishing trips with some booty on the side like it was a normal thing that all men do. I guess I know what all the boys in my life are really doing, huh? ;)

*Theresa - I am extremely impressed that your son actually went. I agree his inital comment was a normal hetero teen boy comment, trying to be cool or whatever. But the fact that he stayed throught the entire flick without giggling, or leaving, or complaining, and then saying it was pretty good? Wow. That's a great mature kid you have. :)

[estranged4life]

but we are planning to rent it possibly this week!

[BTFLCHLD]

i watched this last night (dvd)
imo it was pretty good
however...
i was disappointed in how some of it played out
i would have liked to of seen more of a love story
than a postcard connect to go fishing...
and the tent scene...not even a candle! :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

No. No, it wouldn't be better. Not for me, anyway. Would you feel better if your lover ditched you for a chick rather than a boy? Maybe you would, I don't know. But I'd rather Mark leave me for a chick when he leaves. :laugh: I'll understand if she's hot & nice, but if she's bitchier, fatter and uglier than me, then I'll be pissed. :mad: . . . .


II guess I just look at it from the point of view that if they leave you because they are gay, then it is nothing you did or did not do and/or it is not them cheating on you per se or at least in the sense that the cheating is in any way related to you, etc. I think that while I might be pissed about the lying and using that occured (assuming they knew all along, which some do not) - the leaving would not be so hard because I would know I could not compete, etc. In other words, I think the majority of the people whose spice leave them for another woman (or man) feel that there can be reconciliation in some way or that they did did something wrong that caused it, etc. If they are gay, then those two things cannot happen because the new gay is not interested in them sexually and never will be.

I hope I explained that clearly :laugh:

[skcin]

^ I know what you mean, I just have a hard time understanding how someone could now KNOW that they're gay. I mean, how do you not know? :shrug: Seriously.

So if they do know but hide it to try & deny who they really are because they're angry or ashamed or embarrassed or whatever, then they're lying about everything to their heterosexual partner - their physical attraction, their relationship together. Everything.

[strandinthewind]

^ I know what you mean, I just have a hard time understanding how someone could now KNOW that they're gay. I mean, how do you not know? :shrug: Seriously.

So if they do know but hide it to try & deny who they really are because they're angry or ashamed or embarrassed or whatever, then they're lying about everything to their heterosexual partner - their physical attraction, their relationship together. Everything.

Well, I think many people try to fight it because they are expected to be "normal," etc. In other words, I know many people got married thinking the attraction to the same sex would just stop one day. I think that thinking is mostly lessening these days, but I know some guy who got married four years ago to this girl and he is the gayest thing on the planet. When I asked him about his active homosexual life, he said he intended to continue it, but wanted a wife to save face in his little pathetic small town mind. He actually had his current boyfriend stand in his wedding. I was so disgusted, I declined to have any part of it as THAT is the scenario in which being pissed is warranted :laugh: But, some people just do not know or think it is just a phase. Society can place huge demands on people I guess. Finally, I know some gay people who marry straight people and like both worlds. To me, that is strange, but some of them have been married for years and happlily so.

[skcin]

His BF stood up in his wedding? :shocked: Holy. ****. Does the wife know about them?

BTW - we know a guy that we are SURE is gay, that got married to a girl. Time will tell, I suppose.

[strandinthewind]

His BF stood up in his wedding? :shocked: Holy. ****. Does the wife know about them?. . . .

It was nauseating to me because I like his wife. I wanted to tell her, but it was really not my business and she must have known he was into guys as they met on the dance floor of a gay bar :shrug: Yet, she always goes on about how he is not gay, just open minded, etc. I have yet to meet one straight guy who goes out with a bunch of gay guys like every weekend and is totally straight and I really do not think there is a true bisexual guy out there - but that is based on my own personal experience. Actually, it just amazes me at how people struggle with the admission of being gay. I guess they have looked down on them for so long that to be one of them is more horrifying than living your life as a lie. To me, that would be a form of death.

[skcin]

^ Give me her phone number, I'll tell her. :p

[strandinthewind]

^ Give me her phone number, I'll tell her. :p

Well, she is a very sweet girl who had a bad childhood and avoids confrontation at all costs. And - I must say, he takes very good care of her and has provided a good life for her, encouraged her to branch out, etc. As a couple, they are are mostly the gold standard. It is just he has a boyfriend on the side and is the gayest thing since Peter Allen :laugh: This ought to make your blood boil even more :laugh: His current boyfriend is friends with his wife.

[bikerchic]

*Theresa - I am extremely impressed that your son actually went. I agree his inital comment was a normal hetero teen boy comment, trying to be cool or whatever. But the fact that he stayed throught the entire flick without giggling, or leaving, or complaining, and then saying it was pretty good? Wow. That's a great mature kid you have. :)
Hey, I'm so happy you finally saw it. I bought the movie and was planning a special screening for Mark when you guy's come up :laugh: It was actually Blair who asked me to rent it. I think that's why sales of the dvd were so good because all the homophobics can now watch it secretly in their own home. Anyhow, I'm glad you liked it. It does grow on you the more you think about it, doesn't it.

I was also quite impressed with Dean going to the show with me to see it, although you mention about him sitting through the entire movie, he was squirming around in his chair abit, but that's because he say's it was too long, and, he was text messaging his friends a couple of times (probably sending out an S.O.S :laugh: ) but overall I was pretty impressed.

Sidenote: I would much rather Blair leave me for another woman then a man. The woman, I would be hurt, a man, I would be sick.

[DavidMn]

Hey, I'm so happy you finally saw it. I bought the movie and was planning a special screening for Mark when you guy's come up :laugh: It was actually Blair who asked me to rent it. I think that's why sales of the dvd were so good because all the homophobics can now watch it secretly in their own home. Anyhow, I'm glad you liked it. It does grow on you the more you think about it, doesn't it.

I was also quite impressed with Dean going to the show with me to see it, although you mention about him sitting through the entire movie, he was squirming around in his chair abit, but that's because he say's it was too long, and, he was text messaging his friends a couple of times (probably sending out an S.O.S :laugh: ) but overall I was pretty impressed.

Sidenote: I would much rather Blair leave me for another woman then a man. The woman, I would be hurt, a man, I would be sick.Thats good that your son enjoyed the movie. But I'm not surprised since I'm sure you've taught him to be tolerant of others. Good job!:)

[strandinthewind]

. . . Sidenote: I would much rather Blair leave me for another woman then a man. The woman, I would be hurt, a man, I would be sick.

On a related note, I would rather have someone tell be when they no longer wanted me around than cheat on me and tolerate me, etc. I guess I am just weird that way, but once I am done, I am done and I do not pussyfoot around about it.

[DavidMn]

On a related note, I would rather have someone tell be when they no longer wanted me around than cheat on me and tolerate me, etc. I guess I am just weird that way, but once I am done, I am done and I do not pussyfoot around about it.You have to be in situations like that or it will tear you up.

[bikerchic]

On a related note, I would rather have someone tell be when they no longer wanted me around than cheat on me and tolerate me, etc. I guess I am just weird that way, but once I am done, I am done and I do not pussyfoot around about it.
Oh I agree. Dump me first! Don't cheat on me.

[estranged4life]

Deb & myself finally watched BBM tonight via "Pay Per View" (We had a coupon for 1 free movie, and we specifically waited for BBM) and I have to say it was better than I expected.

It did start off a little sluggish but it picked up very quickly. I was impressed with this movie. The part when Ennis finds out Jack died was pretty FUBAR with the violent imagery that Ennis had going in his head.

Thinking about purchasing it, which will piss off people/family who know Deb & myself, but f**k 'em-"I know what I like cause I like what I know".

[sparky]

Thinking about purchasing it, which will piss off people/family who know Deb & myself, but f**k 'em-"I know what I like cause I like what I know".

Glad to hear you saw it and liked it.

Let me get this straight, though...you have people/family in your life who will get angry with you because of what movies you buy ? You're kidding, right ?

[DavidMn]

Glad to hear you saw it and liked it.

Let me get this straight, though...you have people/family in your life who will get angry with you because of what movies you buy ? You're kidding, right ?Unfortunately that's how some people are.:(

[bikerchic]

Let me get this straight, though...you have people/family in your life who will get angry with you because of what movies you buy ? You're kidding, right ?
I know, I was thinking the same thing. WTF :shocked:

[strandinthewind]

I know, I was thinking the same thing. WTF :shocked:


I know it sounds strange to us, but there are communities that think like this. It is all in the same line as the Smiths bought a Mercedes so we need one - lemming thought process that so many people adhere to.

[David]

I get mad at my family when they buy a bad movie ... like Kazablan or The White Cliffs of Dover or Marty.

[estranged4life]

Glad to hear you saw it and liked it.

Let me get this straight, though...you have people/family in your life who will get angry with you because of what movies you buy ? You're kidding, right ?

my family consists of people who have absolute pure 100% hatred for any/all things that could be considered with leaning towards the left...And the town we live in is worse than the family situation, Which is why I live here, just to annoy the living **** outta these uptight-narrow-minded-backwoods-Andy Griffin-loving-Bible-humping-homophobic-assclowns-who-are-majorly-Democrats (Sad, but true!!! If these idiots are mostly Democratic ya could've fooled me, because they fear the "L" word more than 2 terms of the one & only George W.Bush, the "L" word I am referring to is not "Lesbian", it's "Liberal"...But they're Democrats only because they are pro-Agricultural cow-tipping-cowchip-eating-drunk-on-Saturday-evening-on-their-knees-for-forgiveness-on-Sunday-morning-junior-high-dropouts!!!)

Let's just say I'm not very friendly towards folkz in this town...I beat life to my own drum, and could care what anyone here in this town f**kin' cares/thinks about me.

Brian "Public Enemy #1...Oh yeah" j.

[DavidMn]

my family consists of people who have absolute pure 100% hatred for any/all things that could be considered with leaning towards the left...And the town we live in is worse than the family situation, Which is why I live here, just to annoy the living **** outta these uptight-narrow-minded-backwoods-Andy Griffin-loving-Bible-humping-homophobic-assclowns-who-are-majorly-Democrats (Sad, but true!!! If these idiots are mostly Democratic ya could've fooled me, because they fear the "L" word more than 2 terms of the one & only George W.Bush, the "L" word I am referring to is not "Lesbian", it's "Liberal"...But they're Democrats only because they are pro-Agricultural cow-tipping-cowchip-eating-drunk-on-Saturday-evening-on-their-knees-for-forgiveness-on-Sunday-morning-junior-high-dropouts!!!)

Let's just say I'm not very friendly towards folkz in this town...I beat life to my own drum, and could care what anyone here in this town f**kin' cares/thinks about me.

Brian "Public Enemy #1...Oh yeah" j.It's Oklahoma after all. Youre probably one of the few people there that has an open mind towards things of that nature. What's funny about those type of people is they'll call you commie for just disagreeing with them. You may not even be a left leaning person.:laugh:

[SuzeQuze]

I finally saw this too on the plane to Kenya. I really liked it though parts were pretty slow. That tent scene was hot, too hot for an airplane! :lol:

There are people in my family who are uncomfortable with homosexuality, not my immediate family, but my aunt and uncle were talking about how "weird" the film was. I didn't see it that way at all.

Isn't this based on a book and has anyone read it? Heath's character was not a talker so knowing his thoughts could be more interesting.

[sparky]

Isn't this based on a book and has anyone read it? Heath's character was not a talker so knowing his thoughts could be more interesting.

It is based on a short story - about 37 pages long - by Pulitzer prize winning author E. Annie Proulx. It was originally published in the New Yorker, and then included in a book of Proulx's short stories called At Close Range. Since the success of the movie, it has been published in a tiny little volume itself. You get a bit more insight into his character from her descriptions. But no, Ennis doesn't talk much. Pretty accurate for a cowboy type of the era. The story is great, and I have revisited it many times over the years.

I also saw it on a plane after 4 or 5 viewings in the theater. It really loses some impact on a tiny screen. The epic quality of the landscapes and the majestic score are best for big screen viewing if possible.

[Johnny Stew]

We purchased 'Brokeback' for our DVD collection at the library, when it was released in April, and I have to say I was concerned about what kind of reaction we might get from our patrons. My town has the highest concentration of Democrats in our county (which has a high ratio of Democrats to begin with), but we also have a very large Christian population... so the reaction could have gone either way.

I'm thankful to say that, so far, we haven't received a single complaint. In fact, we've had a long waiting list throughout these past two months, and additional patrons are still asking to be added to the list.

Myself, I still haven't watched the movie yet. I had read the short story, so I'm familiar with it, but my copy of the DVD arrived just a couple of days after my friend Wyatt passed away, so I haven't been in a frame of mind to watch it.

[DavidMn]

my copy of the DVD arrived just a couple of days after my friend Wyatt passed away, so I haven't been in a frame of mind to watch it.That's understandable. You'll love it when you eventually see it.:nod:

[sparky]

We purchased 'Brokeback' for our DVD collection at the library, when it was released in April, and I have to say I was concerned about what kind of reaction we might get from our patrons. My town has the highest concentration of Democrats in our county (which has a high ratio of Democrats to begin with), but we also have a very large Christian population... so the reaction could have gone either way.

I'm thankful to say that, so far, we haven't received a single complaint. In fact, we've had a long waiting list throughout these past two months, and additional patrons are still asking to be added to the list.

Myself, I still haven't watched the movie yet. I had read the short story, so I'm familiar with it, but my copy of the DVD arrived just a couple of days after my friend Wyatt passed away, so I haven't been in a frame of mind to watch it.

Lord have mercy, give yourself a few weeks before you watch it. It'll crack you in half.

[BTFLCHLD]

I liked "Transamerica" better than BBM. I am not sure what the "controversy" was all about really.
TA at least showed penis! :shocked:
Oh yeah, BBM was a love story but IMO the film was/is endearing yet too slow. :angel:

[sparky]

I liked "Transamerica" better than BBM. I am not sure what the "controversy" was all about really.
TA at least showed penis! :shocked:
Oh yeah, BBM was a love story but IMO the film was/is endearing yet too slow. :angel:

Wow. Takes all kinds. I thought Trans was kind of cute, but far from a serious film. Though FH did a good job. That ending. It just kind of petered out and...it was like someone just shut off the camera.

[David]

Wow. Takes all kinds. I thought Trans was kind of cute, but far from a serious film. Though FH did a good job. That ending. It just kind of petered out and...it was like someone just shut off the camera.Did you guys ever see Renoir's "Lower Depths"?

[BTFLCHLD]

Wow. Takes all kinds. I thought Trans was kind of cute, but far from a serious film. Though FH did a good job. That ending. It just kind of petered out and...it was like someone just shut off the camera.
Yes, it does take all kinds. ;) It seemed serious to me. :shrug: Yes, the scene faded to black but thankfully we can determine the outcome. Some films are cliff-hangers that I can't appreciate. BBM proved to be lovely for the scenary, an interesting tale, and it also gave me a newly found appreciation for Heath.

[sparky]

Did you guys ever see Renoir's "Lower Depths"?

Not I.

BTW, that Dame Edna sig is rich. Saw her a few months ago and it was a major hoot.

[The Tower]

I finally saw this movie and I really thought- this is horrible.

Another "I'm a fag and I should hate myself" movie- as I knew it would be-- I KNEW IT!!!

The gay-bashing death (which wasn't exactly "spelled out" in the short story). The self-hatred. The stupid denial. The entire "I HATE MYSELF BECAUSE I AM A FAG" thread.

Bleh. It was really too much drama.

I really hate this movie for making the self-hatred of homosexuality the forefront of their vision. Jack was screaming and rebelling against this, so he was beaten to death. Thanks!! Loved it- NOT!

This movie is entirely the territory of the "I'm a MAN" homosexual class that can't handle the fact that they don't f u c k women, and that they actually love men.

This movie truly made me sick. Stick that in your ass and smoke it, Sparky.

[Für Elise]

I finally saw this movie and I really thought- this is horrible.

Another "I'm a fag and I should hate myself" movie- as I knew it would be-- I KNEW IT!!!

The gay-bashing death (which wasn't exactly "spelled out" in the short story). The self-hatred. The stupid denial. The entire "I HATE MYSELF BECAUSE I AM A FAG" thread.

Bleh. It was really too much drama.

I really hate this movie for making the self-hatred of homosexuality the forefront of their vision. Jack was screaming and rebelling against this, so he was beaten to death. Thanks!! Loved it- NOT!

This movie is entirely the territory of the "I'm a MAN" homosexual class that can't handle the fact that they don't f u c k women, and that they actually love men.

This movie truly made me sick. Stick that in your ass and smoke it, Sparky.

I didn't like it either just cause it was boring and didn't flow well at all. the director is capable of much more. there was just nothing about it. there was no flow and we weren't given much about the characters but then expected to accept their sudden outbursts. I didn't feel like I knew them at all they were just strangers on the screen just placed in scenes as props.