What's all the fuss about

[DavidMn]

Apparently it's been brought to my attention the Homer McVie started a thread here about me, and it wasnt very friendly. I cant seem to find it. Was it dumped? I'd really like to know why he apparently has such a dislike for me. If he does, Oh well, I'm not losing any sleep over it.

[Stephanie]

I may be out of the loop, but he never mentioned your name that I saw.

[DavidMn]

I may be out of the loop, but he never mentioned your name that I saw.Oh ok. Well, whatever he said, IF it was about me, I have no problem with him. I just hate getting into these petty fights. Life's too short.:)

[DavidMn]

Ok, I just got a PM from someone sort of explaining what the situation is, and what I'll say is this, You aint nothin till you're hated....:nod: :lol:

[DavidMn]

I was also told that some people said very nice about me too. Whoever did, Thank you.:) Just wanted to add that.

[irishgrl]

I was also told that some people said very nice about me too. Whoever did, Thank you.:) Just wanted to add that.
You are a sweetheart :xoxo:

[BombaySapphire3]

Then there is always that mainstay of all of us ADHD boys.Negative attention is better than none at all!:lol:

[HomerMcvie]

Oh ok. Well, whatever he said, IF it was about me, I have no problem with him. I just hate getting into these petty fights. Life's too short.:)
I have NOTHING against you, David. I can tell that you're a very kind person. I said that I think that you post too much(without even mentioning your name). And that I didn't think a comment on every single thread was necessary, especially when MANY of your posts don't say much, except for, "thanks for posting". See, we assume there's a new post to be read in the threads, and, much of the time, it's just a "thanks for posting" post. I think that's a waste of our time. JUST MY OPINION, although that's apparently not allowed here.
When you really have something to say, by all means, say it!
Take care, David. And I mean that.

[jannieC]

Ok, I just got a PM from someone sort of explaining what the situation is, and what I'll say is this, You aint nothin till you're hated....:nod: :lol:
David, I think I love you. :xoxo: But seriously, I don't think it was intended to be malicious. Certainly you're not hated. But yes, your true luvahs came out. :lol:

[bikerchic]

David, I think you are one of the sweetest, kindess men I know (from the internet). Your posts are always so genuine and good hearted. Even when people post sarcastically (including myself) you're reply's seem so innocent, yet funny and I can tell that your such a good hearted person. We need more people like you. So keep on posting because you always put a smile on my face! :nod: :wavey: :xoxo:

[Johnny Stew]

You're a sweetheart of a guy, David, and your positivity is welcomed.
So feel free to post as often as you'd like -- I know that most people appreciate the encouragement and kind words you offer them on their comments/thoughts/opinions.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Ok, I just got a PM from someone sort of explaining what the situation is, and what I'll say is this, You aint nothin till you're hated....:nod: :lol:

I don't believe that Homer was coming from a place of hatred. :shrug:

[wondergirl9847]

You seem like a sweetie of a guy and I'd love to meet ya one of these days. I'm sure when FM rolls back through the USA, we'll probably meet at a show. :)

I agree with Brandon, I don't think Homer meant to be rude or hateful, he was just expressing his opinion about posting on threads with just an "lol" or "thanks", etc. I get frustrated sometimes when I'm trying to quickly read through stuff and when I get to the end of a thread, it's mostly those type of posts, but whatevah. Sometimes, it seems like threads are made up of nothing but chat back and forth (inside jokes and such) and that gets frustrating too. Just gotta deal, ya know.

[BTFLCHLD]

mosttimes a few words are enough
sometimes my eyescross w/tmi :cool:

[Richard B]

David, I think you are one of the sweetest, kindess men I know (from the internet). Your posts are always so genuine and good hearted. Even when people post sarcastically (including myself) you're reply's seem so innocent, yet funny and I can tell that your such a good hearted person. We need more people like you. So keep on posting because you always put a smile on my face! :nod: :wavey: :xoxo:
Bikerchic, that's really sweet and true.

One thing for certain...David absolutely loves Fleetwood Mac. Rightly so. You can count on him to be spreading the FM/Solo love on "The What Are You Listening To Right Now Thread?"

But hey...the warm and fuzzy feeling of December is now here...so, David, you just go on being who you are and everything will be fine.

[WelshWitchPMD]

Hey David you already know that I think that you are a sweetie. I really don't know who Homer was talking about. :shrug: There are a lot more important things to worry about IMO then how people post. I am pretty sure that someone once started a thread called "If you have over 5000 Posts you are a Loser" or something like that. I think that was pretty insensitive. Things like that give The Ledge a bad name.

There are a lot of posters on The Ledge who sometimes I have no idea or care to know what the %&$# they are talking about. I usually just scroll through those posts. My main reason to come to The Ledge is to get Fleetwood Mac news. Half the time I could care less about Chit Chat.

However, I do think that overall there are a lot of great people here. The best part of The Ledge is when someone is going through a rough time and the other Ledgies are there for support. I get a warm and fuzzy feeling.:lol:

Anyway, I like your posts David. I did not see any problem with them at all. Hopefully we can get to see a Mac or better yet a Lindsey show together.:nod:

[Jyqm]

I have NOTHING against you, David. I can tell that you're a very kind person. I said that I think that you post too much(without even mentioning your name). And that I didn't think a comment on every single thread was necessary, especially when MANY of your posts don't say much, except for, "thanks for posting". See, we assume there's a new post to be read in the threads, and, much of the time, it's just a "thanks for posting" post. I think that's a waste of our time. JUST MY OPINION, although that's apparently not allowed here.

It's certainly allowed, it was just catty and rude and something that should have been brought up in a PM instead of trying to rally others with your not-so-cryptic post of, "Doesn't anybody else think that you-know-who...?" and then patting yourself on the back in vindication when one or two people agreed with you in private.

Of course, the thread was taken down, giving you ample opportunity to simply take it to PMs, but here we are again!

[irishgrl]

It's certainly allowed, it was just catty and rude and something that should have been brought up in a PM instead of trying to rally others with your not-so-cryptic post of, "Doesn't anybody else think that you-know-who...?" and then patting yourself on the back in vindication when one or two people agreed with you in private.

Of course, the thread was taken down, giving you ample opportunity to simply take it to PMs, but here we are again!
Thats because someone decided to go to David and tell him what happened. Personally I think it should have died when the thread died.

[sara1998]

Thats because someone decided to go to David and tell him what happened. Personally I think it should have died when the thread died.
Absolutely it should have... jeez, people, quit beating a dead horse.

[irishgrl]

Absolutely it should have... jeez, people, quit beating a dead horse.http://www.sportbikes.com/UBBimages3/840937-Beatingadeadhorse.gif

[sara1998]

LMAO!!!

That's hilarious!

[Raeven Skye]

David, you are one of the first people who talked to me when I came here, and have been nothing but wonderful, and giving....and I love your stories!

[DavidMn]

I have NOTHING against you, David. I can tell that you're a very kind person. I said that I think that you post too much(without even mentioning your name). And that I didn't think a comment on every single thread was necessary, especially when MANY of your posts don't say much, except for, "thanks for posting". See, we assume there's a new post to be read in the threads, and, much of the time, it's just a "thanks for posting" post. I think that's a waste of our time. JUST MY OPINION, although that's apparently not allowed here.
When you really have something to say, by all means, say it!
Take care, David. And I mean that.Please be assured that there are no hard feelings on my part, I mean that. Hope everything is ok w you.:)

[bikerchic]

Please be assured that there are no hard feelings on my part, I mean that. Hope everything is ok w you.:)
You're a good man David :thumbsup: :wavey:

[irishgrl]

LMAO!!!

That's hilarious!
Yez. I am the QWEEN of dead horse beating. I've been known to bash a few people too. but thats another story :thumbsup:

[DavidMn]

http://www.sportbikes.com/UBBimages3/840937-Beatingadeadhorse.gifNo Cheval for dinner there, that's for sure....:lol:

[DavidMn]

Then there is always that mainstay of all of us ADHD boys.Negative attention is better than none at all!:lol:ADHD, Ha, I could tell you a few stories about that from my childhood. Took ritain from when I was 6 till 16.:lol:

[DavidMn]

You're a sweetheart of a guy, David, and your positivity is welcomed.
So feel free to post as often as you'd like -- I know that most people appreciate the encouragement and kind words you offer them on their comments/thoughts/opinions.Thank you. A tip of the hat from yours truly.:)

[DavidMn]

Bikerchic, that's really sweet and true.

One thing for certain...David absolutely loves Fleetwood Mac. Rightly so. You can count on him to be spreading the FM/Solo love on "The What Are You Listening To Right Now Thread?"

But hey...the warm and fuzzy feeling of December is now here...so, David, you just go on being who you are and everything will be fine.Absolutely. Hell I'm so fat now, I could probably play Santa....:laugh:

[DavidMn]

David, you are one of the first people who talked to me when I came here, and have been nothing but wonderful, and giving....and I love your stories!I remember that. Thank you.:nod:

[WildInTheWind]

You're a good man David :thumbsup: :wavey:
I second that! David is probably one of the nicest people on here. Post away buddy. :D

[chiliD]

http://www.sportbikes.com/UBBimages3/840937-Beatingadeadhorse.gif


Is that horse named Rumours? Is that Fleetwood Mac coming up with their next tour's set list?

:laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol:

[Jyqm]

Is that horse named Rumours? Is that Fleetwood Mac coming up with their next tour's set list?

:laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol:

Did you mean this post also to be a meta-commentary about yourself, Mr. D?

I love meta-self-deprecation.

[DavidMn]

Is that horse named Rumours? Is that Fleetwood Mac coming up with their next tour's set list?

:laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol:You know, that's one of the funniest things I've read here in awhile. :lol:

[catinthedark]

Is that horse named Rumours? Is that Fleetwood Mac coming up with their next tour's set list?

:laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol:


K - I laughed (and felt horribly bad for the poor floggee) at Irish's sig earlier. I laughed even harder at Chili's commentary. :thumbsup: to both of you.

[irishgrl]

K - I laughed (and felt horribly bad for the poor floggee) at Irish's sig earlier. I laughed even harder at Chili's commentary. :thumbsup: to both of you.
sometimes I can be so BAD! other times I am just WORSE.

[SteveMacD]

Good lord. We can't even get a good flame war going here.

All I can say about the whole thing is that it's obvious that Indy Dave has never visited old what's her name's message board. Some of the replies make Minny David's posts seem like poetry.

[HomerMcvie]

Dammit Steve, having spent the last 30 minutes typing out an honest response, then realizing that it's not going to be permitted, then deleting it, is just plain wrong. But that's the only way to win here.
The PM support I got, shows me who runs this place. The PM'r's didn't dare respond in public. And who can blame them?:shrug: Certainly not I.
So here we probably go again...:distress:

[Johnny Stew]

The PM support I got, shows me who runs this place. The PM'r's didn't dare respond in public. And who can blame them?:shrug: Certainly not I.Get down off the cross, bud... Easter's not for another four months.

"And I swear I don't mean that bitchy."

[irishgrl]

Good lord. We can't even get a good flame war going here.

All I can say about the whole thing is that it's obvious that Indy Dave has never visited old what's her name's message board. Some of the replies make Minny David's posts seem like poetry.
What is a flame war? if it is what I think it is, then I beg to differ....

[Jyqm]

Dammit Steve, having spent the last 30 minutes typing out an honest response, then realizing that it's not going to be permitted, then deleting it, is just plain wrong. But that's the only way to win here.
The PM support I got, shows me who runs this place. The PM'r's didn't dare respond in public. And who can blame them?:shrug: Certainly not I.
So here we probably go again...:distress:

You poor, poor thing. What is the world coming to when honest people are afraid to insult others in public?

Why exactly are you so intent on turning your problems with the way David posts into a public diatribe? Either put him on ignore, or send him a PM explaining your concerns. What point are you trying to make by running around with your exasperated sighs and your "Woe is me, why can't I take my personal beef with someone to the masses?"

And if you respond to this post at all, don't bother with any of that, "I'm being oppressed, you can see who runs this place!" crap. My positions about the nature of moderated message boards and the entertainment value of random conflict are well-documented. I'm just baffled by your continued rudeness, which at this point is bordering on spitefulness.

[Jyqm]

What is a flame war? if it is what I think it is, then I beg to differ....

Fleetwood Mac fans clearly aren't nerdy enough if so many folks around here are unfamiliar with all these Internet newsgroup/message board terms...

A "flame war" is what happens when an argument or debate on a message board devolves to the point of people just throwing around nasty, personal insults.

[irishgrl]

Fleetwood Macs clearly aren't nerdy enough if so many folks around here are unfamiliar with all these Internet newsgroup/message board terms...

A "flame war" is what happens when an argument or debate on a message board devolves to the point of people just throwing around nasty, personal insults.
well, I dont know about all that LOL! apparently it IS that I thot it was. Steve's observation isnt quite accurate then.

[Jyqm]

well, I dont know about all that LOL! apparently it IS that I thot it was. Steve's observation isnt quite accurate then.

I think he's largely right, but I suppose it depends on your standards for a good flame war. Nothing on The Ledge can really approach the level of viciousness that exists on some unmoderated forums.

[markolas]

Nothing on The Ledge can really approach the level of viciousness that exists on some unmoderated forums.

Thankfully, or I would've been out of here a long time ago.

[DavidMn]

Good lord. We can't even get a good flame war going here.

All I can say about the whole thing is that it's obvious that Indy Dave has never visited old what's her name's message board. Some of the replies make Minny David's posts seem like poetry.Well, that's a compliment I guess.:nod: At least I hope.

[DavidMn]

Dammit Steve, having spent the last 30 minutes typing out an honest response, then realizing that it's not going to be permitted, then deleting it, is just plain wrong. But that's the only way to win here.
The PM support I got, shows me who runs this place. The PM'r's didn't dare respond in public. And who can blame them?:shrug: Certainly not I.
So here we probably go again...:distress:Oh well. Like I said, I don't have a problem with you, and whoever else does, that's their right. I wouldnt want everyone to like me anyway. What fun is that?:lol: I hope you have a good day.:nod:

[HomerMcvie]

Oh well. Like I said, I don't have a problem with you, and whoever else does, that's their right. I wouldnt want everyone to like me anyway. What fun is that?:lol: I hope you have a good day.:nod:
David, the deleted response had absolutely NOTHING to do with you. Only the "PC" powers that be... And I never said I didn't like you, ever.:xoxo: See, a critical comment apparently can't be made, without the assumption of dislike. There's not necessarily a correlation between my thinking that you post too much, and me disliking you(which is not the case).
Have a good one, David.:)




Here they come again, telling me what I'm allowed to say.......I'm avoiding using the hyphenated word I want.

[DavidMn]

David, the deleted response had absolutely NOTHING to do with you. Only the "PC" powers that be... And I never said I didn't like you, ever.:xoxo: See, a critical comment apparently can't be made, without the assumption of dislike. There's not necessarily a correlation between my thinking that you post too much, and me disliking you(which is not the case).
Have a good one, David.:)




Here they come again, telling me what I'm allowed to say.......I'm avoiding using the hyphenated word I want.You too. I didnt mean for that post to come across that way. You have every right to speak your mind. I have no problem with that:nod:

[SteveMacD]

well, I dont know about all that LOL! apparently it IS that I thot it was. Steve's observation isnt quite accurate then.
Obviously you weren't around on the FM newsgroup. Nepo was right when he recently visited here. By comparison, this place is fairly dull. About the closest thing I've seen to an all out flame war on here was the Amber-Lux thing a while back, and even then it was lame by comparison.

[SteveMacD]

David, the deleted response had absolutely NOTHING to do with you. Only the "PC" powers that be... And I never said I didn't like you, ever.:xoxo: See, a critical comment apparently can't be made, without the assumption of dislike. There's not necessarily a correlation between my thinking that you post too much, and me disliking you(which is not the case).
Have a good one, David.:)




Here they come again, telling me what I'm allowed to say.......I'm avoiding using the hyphenated word I want.

You too. I didnt mean for that post to come across that way. You have every right to speak your mind. I have no problem with that:nod:
C'mon already! Is a "you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny" really too much to ask?

[DavidMn]

C'mon already! Is a "you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny" really too much to ask?No, I guess not.:lol:

[SteveMacD]

Here they come again, telling me what I'm allowed to say.
Just say what you want to say. If they don't like it, then they should note the mistletoe on your belt around your back pocket.

[SteveMacD]

The fact that everybody else mentioned Minny Dave by name and said things like "it's obviously [Indy Dave] was talking about..." tells me that even the people who have chastised Indy Dave are being hypocritical. You too were obviously thinking the same thing, otherwise how would you have figured out so quickly who Indy Dave was referring to? I had a list of people, including myself, that I thought he could have been talking about. In other words, get off your high horse already. He just verbalized what YOU too were thinking.

What's especially funny, though, is that it wasn't personal in any way. Nowhere in the post that started the thread was there an assessment of character. Indy Dave was just talking about a behavior that he found annoying. Funnier still is that the perceived "protagonist" and "antagonist" don't have personal issues with each other. It's everybody else who seems to be drawing them into a bigger conflict than what actually exists. It's like two kids not really wanting to fight on a playground, and you people are egging them on. Before you go lecturing Indy Dave on why he should be ashamed of himself, look at your own behavior.

[DavidMn]

The fact that everybody else mentioned Minny Dave by name and said things like "it's obviously [Indy Dave] was talking about..." tells me that even the people who have chastised Indy Dave are being hypocritical. You too were obviously thinking the same thing, otherwise how would you have figured out so quickly who Indy Dave was referring to? I had a list of people, including myself, that I thought he could have been talking about. In other words, get off your high horse already. He just verbalized what YOU too were thinking.

What's especially funny, though, is that it wasn't personal in any way. Nowhere in the post that started the thread was there an assessment of character. Indy Dave was just talking about a behavior that he found annoying. Funnier still is that the perceived "protagonist" and "antagonist" don't have personal issues with each other. It's everybody else who seems to be drawing them into a bigger conflict than what actually exists. It's like two kids not really wanting to fight on a playground, and you people are egging them on. Before you go lecturing Indy Dave on why he should be ashamed of himself, look at your own behavior.Well, I do want to thank those people that came to my defense. You're right on though with the comment about not wanting to take it further.:nod:

[Jyqm]

The fact that everybody else mentioned Minny Dave by name and said things like "it's obviously [Indy Dave] was talking about..." tells me that even the people who have chastised Indy Dave are being hypocritical. You too were obviously thinking the same thing, otherwise how would you have figured out so quickly who Indy Dave was referring to?

Uh, because he made it incredibly obvious? My apologies for being observant.

Sorry, Steve, but I don't think there's anything hypocritical here on my end, at least, and I was the first to mention David's name in the original thread.

[SteveMacD]

Uh, because he made it incredibly obvious? My apologies for being observant.
What he posted could have applied to a lot of folks on various boards. Well, except the Peter Green and non-Rumours Mac boards.

Sorry, Steve, but I don't think there's anything hypocritical here on my end, at least, and I was the first to mention David's name in the original thread.
That's very hypocritical. You can't name somebody by name and at the same time call somebody insensitive. It may have been obvious to you, but it might not have been obvious to everybody. You were insensitive for being uncryptic.

[BombaySapphire3]

Obviously you weren't around on the FM newsgroup. Nepo was right when he recently visited here. By comparison, this place is fairly dull. About the closest thing I've seen to an all out flame war on here was the Amber-Lux thing a while back, and even then it was lame by comparison.
Apparently you were not around for the Ballad of the Arizona Ranger.:laugh: :laugh:

[amber]

About the closest thing I've seen to an all out flame war on here was the Amber-Lux thing a while back, and even then it was lame by comparison.
I'll have to try harder next time. :rolleyes: At least I named names. :laugh:

[amber]

What he posted could have applied to a lot of folks on various boards. Well, except the Peter Green and non-Rumours Mac boards.


That's very hypocritical. You can't name somebody by name and at the same time call somebody insensitive. It may have been obvious to you, but it might not have been obvious to everybody. You were insensitive for being uncryptic.
That's lame. What Homer did was the "pull the bandage off as slowly as possible" method of pain, and what Jyqm attempted to do was the "rip it off all at once" method, which, as everybody knows, is far less painful. And less passive aggressive pussy like, too. :woohoo:

[irishgrl]

Obviously you weren't around on the FM newsgroup. Nepo was right when he recently visited here. By comparison, this place is fairly dull. About the closest thing I've seen to an all out flame war on here was the Amber-Lux thing a while back, and even then it was lame by comparison.
well you missed the Amber/Irishgrl thing just a few days ago then....which is surprising, because I thot EVERYONE had at least gotten a whiff of THAT little smell...

[irishgrl]

I think he's largely right, but I suppose it depends on your standards for a good flame war. Nothing on The Ledge can really approach the level of viciousness that exists on some unmoderated forums.
well, thats interesting because Ive seen some pretty nasty stuff here. some I participated in, and some other folks did.....considering you made a comment about the tone of the *ahem* bat mitzvah thread, I would have thought that you found it borderline?? Oh well, no biggie I guess..

[Jyqm]

well, thats interesting because Ive seen some pretty nasty stuff here. some I participated in, and some other folks did.....considering you made a comment about the tone of the *ahem* bat mitzvah thread, I would have thought that you found it borderline?? Oh well, no biggie I guess..

Nah, you two were still being remotely civil, at least from what I read. Plus, you actually stuck to the issue. It was all just passive-aggressive sarcasm with heavy emoticon usage (but so it goes on a moderated forum where you can't use certain four-letter words and personal attacks are forbidden). A good flame war needs to have lots of mean-spirited cursing and lots of attacking people's basic human dignity. If the phrase "complete f***ing moron" hasn't been used, then it ain't a proper flame war yet.

[amber]

Nah, you two were still being remotely civil, at least from what I read. Plus, you actually stuck to the issue. It was all just passive-aggressive sarcasm with heavy emoticon usage (but so it goes on a moderated forum where you can't use certain four-letter words and personal attacks are forbidden). A good flame war needs to have lots of mean-spirited cursing and lots of attacking people's basic human dignity. If the phrase "complete f***ing moron" hasn't been used, then it ain't a proper flame war yet.
That sounds fun, indeed, but how does it possibly resolve anything?

[Jyqm]

That sounds fun, indeed, but how does it possibly resolve anything?

Who said it resolves anything? That's why it's a flame war and not a civil debate.

[amber]

Who said it resolves anything? That's why it's a flame war and not a civil debate.
Then why do it?

[HomerMcvie]

Just say what you want to say. If they don't like it, then they should note the mistletoe on your belt around your back pocket.
Steve, you just became my favorite person of the month. Your trophy's being prepared as we speak.:thumbsup:

[BombaySapphire3]

The reason the Ledge has the whole strike system in place and is more heavily moderated is that there was an ongoing 'flame ' type war going on here about 4 years ago ,mostly revolving around a homophobic and misogynistic cybertroll known as the Arizona Ranger.The fracas caused by this creature resulted in this forum (Chit Chat) being closed down for several weeks.While I'll admit there was some entertainment value to be had from arguing with this person ,his homophobia was on a Fred Phelps type level and he was allowed to get away with his nonsense for too long .Now there have been some others that in comparison to AR or1/2 insane IMO maybe should not have been banned ,but I guess these extreme examples of vileness have kind of ruined it for others .

[HomerMcvie]

The fact that everybody else mentioned Minny Dave by name and said things like "it's obviously [Indy Dave] was talking about..." tells me that even the people who have chastised Indy Dave are being hypocritical. You too were obviously thinking the same thing, otherwise how would you have figured out so quickly who Indy Dave was referring to? I had a list of people, including myself, that I thought he could have been talking about. In other words, get off your high horse already. He just verbalized what YOU too were thinking.
I was amazed that everybody instantly knew who I was referring to, yet chastized me for "dare"ing to mention it. "How dare you!". "We were so nice to you about your dog, and now you dare to post this." Listen, if being nice to me because my dog has cancer means that I give up any freedom of speech, then keep your niceties to yourself, Adolph. I don't want them under that condition.

What's especially funny, though, is that it wasn't personal in any way. Nowhere in the post that started the thread was there an assessment of character. Indy Dave was just talking about a behavior that he found annoying. Funnier still is that the perceived "protagonist" and "antagonist" don't have personal issues with each other.
That's what hilarious. David and I are fine with each other. It's everyone else who wants to censor me. My GAWD, I said that I think he posts too much!!!! Jesus, How DARE I? What a terrible thing to say!!! Off with my head!!! It's everybody else who seems to be drawing them into a bigger conflict than what actually exists. It's like two kids not really wanting to fight on a playground, and you people are egging them on. Before you go lecturing Indy Dave on why he should be ashamed of himself, look at your own behavior.

Exactly, but that won't happen. They're far too PC to be wrong.
BTW, DavidMN and I are completely cool with each other.

Steve, get your ass over to Bloomington! Drinks are on me!:thumbsup:

[amber]

It doesn't seem like you'll understand this, Homie, cause it's already been said, but....
I think the issue is that you mentioned it out loud, where everyone could read it, but were too pussy to just say the person's name. I think most people agreed that you should have either took it to a PM, ie, not mentioned it out loud at all, or if you had to mention it out loud, you should've been man enough to say the person's name. Heck, you posted the most obvious clue ever (as ReFleetwoodmac pointed out) - at that point, what was your purpose in not saying the persons name? It just seems pussy/fraidy cat/passive aggressive at that point.
Yes, I know no one cares and there are no hard feelings between you two, but you seem not to understand why anyone took issue, so I thought I'd help explain. :wavey:

[HomerMcvie]

Most people agree? Since when do I have to answer to a freaking committee, to make a post? If you don't like it, then skip it, or bi*ch incessantly about it. I no longer care what the committee thinks. Believe it or not, I AM a kind person, but if I feel like speaking my mind, I will do so. Committee be damned. Until you sign my paychecks, zip it!

[amber]

Most people agree? Since when do I have to answer to a freaking committee, to make a post? If you don't like it, then skip it, or bi*ch incessantly about it. I no longer care what the committee thinks. Believe it or not, I AM a kind person, but if I feel like speaking my mind, I will do so. Committee be damned. Until you sign my paychecks, zip it!

Great, I'm glad you don't care, and my point wasn't about people agreeing, my point was about not being a pussy if you are going to say something out loud, or if you are going to be a pussy, maybe don't say it out loud. :shrug: If you feel like speaking your mind, do it all the way, not the pussy way, etc. Same point if you are a kind person, which I'm sure you are.
You don't have to answer to anything, but just like you wanted to speak your mind, you can't expect others to "zip it" about what you say.
And AGAIN, you can say whatever you want however you want, I was simply pointing out that you did it in the most pussy way possible. In case you did care about being a pussy. But it's fine if you don't, no skin off my nose. Just trying to help you out. :)

[Jyqm]

Then why do it?

Why do people ever get in fights? Stubbornness and short tempers, mostly.

[Jyqm]

Most people agree? Since when do I have to answer to a freaking committee, to make a post? If you don't like it, then skip it, or bi*ch incessantly about it. I no longer care what the committee thinks. Believe it or not, I AM a kind person, but if I feel like speaking my mind, I will do so. Committee be damned. Until you sign my paychecks, zip it!

You're so brave. We should all follow Homer's example and not be afraid to speak our minds, whether we have a beef with "a certain somebody" or a bone to pick with "you know who."

[amber]

Why do people ever get in fights? Stubbornness and short tempers, mostly.

I hate you.

You're so brave. We should all follow Homer's example and not be afraid to speak our minds, whether we have a beef with "a certain somebody" or a bone to pick with "you know who."

:lol:

I love you.


*marry?

[David]

Obviously you weren't around on the FM newsgroup.Apparently you were not around for the Ballad of the Arizona Ranger.I was around for both, & neither one holds a candle to my movie forum, where each week we get several hundred slurs based on race, ethnicity, sex orientation, parentage, education, physical disabilities, mental disabilities, taste, intelligence, number of fingers & toes, verbal posting style, knowledge of movies, knowledge of history, knowledge of politics, knowledge of sports, knowledge of science, knowledge of the nature of knowledge, religion, country of origin, state of origin, county of origin, financial state, politics, etc. etc. etc.

That's the beauty of the absence of moderation online in some of these areas: the floodgates open, but the deluge washes you clean, & you'll know. Plus, we do have great discussions, too.

[irishgrl]

Nah, you two were still being remotely civil, at least from what I read. Plus, you actually stuck to the issue. It was all just passive-aggressive sarcasm with heavy emoticon usage (but so it goes on a moderated forum where you can't use certain four-letter words and personal attacks are forbidden). A good flame war needs to have lots of mean-spirited cursing and lots of attacking people's basic human dignity. If the phrase "complete f***ing moron" hasn't been used, then it ain't a proper flame war yet.
my mistake. I dont normally use cuss words anyway so I guess by your definition I'll never be part of a flame war. I've always thought a reliance on profanity denoted a lack of vocabulary, if not limited intellectual exercise. JMO.

[BombaySapphire3]

I was around for both, & neither one holds a candle to my movie forum, where each week we get several hundred slurs based on race, ethnicity, sex orientation, parentage, education, physical disabilities, mental disabilities, taste, intelligence, number of fingers & toes, verbal posting style, knowledge of movies, knowledge of history, knowledge of politics, knowledge of sports, knowledge of science, knowledge of the nature of knowledge, religion, country of origin, state of origin, county of origin, financial state, politics, etc. etc. etc.

That's the beauty of the absence of moderation online in some of these areas: the floodgates open, but the deluge washes you clean, & you'll know. Plus, we do have great discussions, too.
Can you post a link?

[HomerMcvie]

Great, I'm glad you don't care, and my point wasn't about people agreeing, my point was about not being a pussy if you are going to say something out loud, or if you are going to be a pussy, maybe don't say it out loud. :shrug: If you feel like speaking your mind, do it all the way, not the pussy way, etc. Same point if you are a kind person, which I'm sure you are.
You don't have to answer to anything, but just like you wanted to speak your mind, you can't expect others to "zip it" about what you say.
And AGAIN, you can say whatever you want however you want, I was simply pointing out that you did it in the most pussy way possible. In case you did care about being a pussy. But it's fine if you don't, no skin off my nose. Just trying to help you out. :)
ALL I said was that I thought someone posted too much. I DIDN'T say his name, thinking MAYBE I could get some input as to others thoughts on the matter, without baring all. But, you guys bared all, and proceeded to jump all over me, again, for just saying someone posted too much.
AND, this board is so slanted towards women and gays, I'll bet if I called YOU a pussy, FIVE times in a post, that I'd get a strike. But, that'll never happen in your case. Never happen.
As long as I post within the rules and FAQ's, get over it. Just because you post 10 billion times a day, doesn't mean you own the joint.

[strandinthewind]

ALL I said was that I thought someone posted too much. I DIDN'T say his name, thinking MAYBE I could get some input as to others thoughts on the matter, without baring all. But, you guys bared all, and proceeded to jump all over me, again, for just saying someone posted too much.
AND, this board is so slanted towards women and gays, I'll bet if I called YOU a pussy, FIVE times in a post, that I'd get a strike. But, that'll never happen in your case. Never happen.
As long as I post within the rules and FAQ's, get over it. Just because you post 10 billion times a day, doesn't mean you own the joint.

Plus, I pictured you more as a vulva :D :D :D :p :p

[HomerMcvie]

Plus, I pictured you more as a vulva :D :D :D :p :p
I have a friend named Velva! Guess what I call her?:D :D :D

[BombaySapphire3]

ALL I said was that I thought someone posted too much. I DIDN'T say his name, thinking MAYBE I could get some input as to others thoughts on the matter, without baring all. But, you guys bared all, and proceeded to jump all over me, again, for just saying someone posted too much.
AND, this board is so slanted towards women and gays, I'll bet if I called YOU a pussy, FIVE times in a post, that I'd get a strike. But, that'll never happen in your case. Never happen.
As long as I post within the rules and FAQ's, get over it. Just because you post 10 billion times a day, doesn't mean you own the joint.
There are people on here with significantly more posts than Davidmn. It almost seems you may have singled him out because he is so good natured that he would not respond in kind?

[strandinthewind]

I have a friend named Velva! Guess what I call her?:D :D :D

BWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :blob2: :blob2:

Vulva and "rhymes with a brand of ketchup" are two of my favortie words EVER!!!!!! I also like "hooker." AND - to add to the fun, they are interchangeable and mixable - fun for everyone!!

[HomerMcvie]

There are people on here with significantly more posts than Davidmn. It almost seems you may have singled him out because he is so good natured that he would not respond in kind?
Not true. I singled him out because it seems like sooo many of his posts merely say, "thanks for posting". Opening 20 threads, thinking something's been posted,only to find another, "thanks for posting", makes me feel like I've wasted my time (much how I feel in this thread:lol: ).

[irishgrl]

I'll bet if I called YOU a pussy, FIVE times in a post, that I'd get a strike.
VERY GOOD POINT

But, that'll never happen in your case. Never happen.
one has to wonder why :shrug:

Just because you post 10 billion times a day, doesn't mean you own the joint
I concur. Who was it who took it upon herself to present David with choices?
AS IF. Who then acted all innocent when called on it? PUH LEEZ. I think Amber needs to reevaluate her career choice. Since she likes "helping" people so much, maybe she should be oh lessee......a prison warden? a drill sergeant? a despot?
yep.. all very helpful to be sure...

[irishgrl]

OMG. the perfect job for Amber:













GOD

[Jyqm]

my mistake. I dont normally use cuss words anyway so I guess by your definition I'll never be part of a flame war. I've always thought a reliance on profanity denoted a lack of vocabulary, if not limited intellectual exercise. JMO.

Well, a reliance on any single aspect of language is rarely a good thing, but there certainly nothing intellectually limiting about curse words in and of themselves. They're neither better nor worse than any other word in the language, except they carry an extra charge and can be quite useful to add emphasis or set a certain tone.

But I'll shoot Mamet, Tarantino, Carlin and Burroughs a memo letting them know that you think they're a buncha halfwits with poor vocabularies.

[Jyqm]

OMG. the perfect job for Amber:

GOD

Shouldn't that be "OMA"?

Or do you not want to confuse any German grandmothers who might be lurking?

[irishgrl]

Well, a reliance on any single aspect of language is rarely a good thing, but there certainly nothing intellectually limiting about curse words in and of themselves. They're neither better nor worse than any other word in the language, except they carry an extra charge and can be quite useful to add emphasis or set a certain tone.

But I'll shoot Mamet, Tarantino, Carlin and Burroughs a memo letting them know that you think they're a buncha halfwits with poor vocabularies.
My mother always told me that an intelligent person can find a suitable word without having to rely on profanity. I agree. it takes more mental stretching to say what you want to say without resorting to gutter talk. Sorry, thats just what I believe. You can send all the memos you want but IMO, profanity certainly doesnt convey class.

btw: Ive cussed in my day, but Im not proud of it and its usually only in extreme cases. Im human after all....

[Jyqm]

I was around for both, & neither one holds a candle to my movie forum, where each week we get several hundred slurs based on race, ethnicity, sex orientation, parentage, education, physical disabilities, mental disabilities, taste, intelligence, number of fingers & toes, verbal posting style, knowledge of movies, knowledge of history, knowledge of politics, knowledge of sports, knowledge of science, knowledge of the nature of knowledge, religion, country of origin, state of origin, county of origin, financial state, politics, etc. etc. etc.

****, man, sign me up!

It's okay if I've only seen a grand total of four or five movies this year, right?

Even if one of them was Dukes of Hazzard?

[irishgrl]

Shouldn't that be "OMA"?

Or do you not want to confuse any German grandmothers who might be lurking?
no. Good grief man! after your lecture on grammar! you know we dont customarily refer to God by name!

[Jyqm]

My mother always told me that an intelligent person can find a suitable word without having to rely on profanity.

An intelligent person probably also could find a suitable word that begins with the letter B, or that has exactly seven letters, or that is an iamb.

I agree. it takes more mental stretching to say what you want to say without resorting to gutter talk. Sorry, thats just what I believe.

Sorry, but it's not correct, at least not in all cases. As with everything, there are contexts when profanity can be appropriate and effective, and other times when it's best not used.

You can send all the memos you want but IMO, profanity certainly doesnt convey class.

No, it sure doesn't. But then, class and intelligence are different things.

[irishgrl]

Sorry, but it's not correct, at least not in all cases.
Actually it IS correct because I stated its what I BELIEVE. you have no right to tell me my belief is wrong. The most you can say is that you disagree.

No, it sure doesn't. But then, class and intelligence are different things.

Profanity isnt necessary. If you CHOOSE to use it, thats up to you, but it doesnt convey either intelligence OR class. Remember the hoohah when Cheney used the "F" word? or when Bush was heard talking about "asshole reporters"? The use of profanity makes one appear boorish to my mind.

[HomerMcvie]

What is "OMA"? I've seen it on porn titles before, but am not really sure what an OMA is?:confused: :shrug:

[Jyqm]

Actually it IS correct because I stated its what I BELIEVE. you have no right to tell me my belief is wrong.

Of course I do. Everybody's got every right to tell everybody else if their "beliefs" are wrong; god save us if that ever stops being the case. What if I told you that I believe the earth is flat and sits on the back of a giant space turtle? Or that I believe that blacks are an inferior race? Or that I believe a sentence can have only one possible meaning?

yes they are, but the use of profanity is the opposite end of the spectrum from both, IMO.

Well okay, but again, you're wrong. The extensive use of "profanity" by people far more intelligent than you or I is quite well-documented throughout history. But I'll let Jimmy Joyce and Bill Shakespeare know that you've got some concerns about their intellectual capacities.

[SteveMacD]

OMG. the perfect job for Amber:

GOD

Our Mother who art on the Ledge,
Amber be Thy Name.
Thy Chit Chat come, Flames Will be done,
on Homer, as it is with Irishgrl.
Give us your 32.83 posts per day, our daily bread,
and forgive us our ignorance,
as we forgive those who speak stupid against us.
And lead us into temptation,
With your hot pics of evil.
For thine is the Ledge, and I need a shower, and fantasies of meeting you in the glory hole, for ever and ever.
Amen.

[Jyqm]

What is "OMA"? I've seen it on porn titles before, but am not really sure what an OMA is?:confused: :shrug:

I'm not sure what kinds of porns you're renting, man, but the joke I was making is that "Oma" is a German word for "grandmother."

Maybe in the San Fernando Valley, it's an acronym for "Only Mature Audiences" or "Old Male Asspounding" or something...

[irishgrl]

Of course I do. Everybody's got every right to tell everybody else if their "beliefs" are wrong; god save us if that ever stops being the case. What if I told you that I believe the earth is flat and sits on the back of a giant space turtle? Or that I believe that blacks are an inferior race? Or that I believe a sentence can have only one possible meaning? the majority of your examples are provable. or disprovable. you cannot PROVE that my belief is wrong, because it is just a standard by which I guide my own life. You can choose differently in your life, you can point out other people who do the same, but it doesnt change the fact that you cant prove me wrong for believing what I do. I believe in Reincarnation too, but you cant prove or disprove that either.....all you can do is agree or not. Very different thing altogether. You say tomato I say tomahto.



Well okay, but again, you're wrong. The extensive use of "profanity" by people far more intelligent than you or I is quite well-documented throughout history. But I'll let Jimmy Joyce and Bill Shakespeare know that you've got some concerns about their intellectual capacities.
Both of those authors wrote in the vernacular of the times. they CHOSE to portray their characters as contemporaries. I dont know how either one actually spoke in day to day discourse, and I doubt you do either. Although in the case of James Joyce, I'd bet he cussed. Most Irish do. regularly. it takes getting used to...

[irishgrl]

Our Mother who art on the Ledge,
Amber be Thy Name.
Thy Chit Chat come, Flames Will be done,
on Homer, as it is with Irishgrl.
Give us your 32.83 posts per day, our daily bread,
and forgive us our ignorance,
as we forgive those who speak stupid against us.
And lead us into temptation,
With your hot pics of evil.
For thine is the Ledge, and I need a shower, and fantasies of meeting you in the glory hole, for ever and ever.
Amen.
you are one sick puppy Steve.

[Jyqm]

the majority of your examples are provable. or disprovable. you cannot PROVE that my belief is wrong, because it is just a standard by which I guide my own life. You can choose differently in your life, you can point out other people who do the same, but it doesnt change the fact that you cant prove me wrong for believing what I do.

Sure I could. I could go out and find a bunch of people who frequently use profanity and give them IQ tests. I'm certainly not going to, but this is clearly a provable or disprovable thing.

Both of those authors wrote in the vernacular of the times. they CHOSE to portray their characters as contemporaries. I dont know how either one actually spoke in day to day discourse, and I doubt you do either.

Ah, well, now you're adding qualifiers. (But you can bet that both of them used plenty of the profane language that showed up in their works in their everyday lives. Nowhere in either Shakespeare or Joyce is use of profanity portrayed as something horribly negative, and more often than not it's used for humor. If they found it funny enough to write down, they probably found it funny enough to say over drinks at the pub. And Joyce in particular was just a dirty, dirty man who absolutely adored potty humor.)

Although in the case of James Joyce, I'd bet he cussed.

So are you saying that James Joyce was unintelligent, or that you're wrong?

(And for the record, I'm not trying to convince you that your personal aversion to profanity is bad or wrong. If you don't like profanity, fine. If you find profanity unclassy, fine. If you prefer not to use profanity, fine. It's the claim that anyone who uses profanity is unintelligent that's wrong, and that's all I'm taking issue with.)

EDIT: Trent Reznor's a pretty smart guy, too. "I want to copulate with you like an animal" just ain't that catchy, though.

[SteveMacD]

you are one sick puppy Steve.
SOMEBODY has to be around here.

[irishgrl]

Sure I could. I could go out and find a bunch of people who frequently use profanity and give them IQ tests. I'm certainly not going to, but this is clearly a provable or disprovable thing.
No, you're getting what I said mixed up with what YOU are trying to prove. I didnt say intelligent people dont cuss. I said I believed that intelligent people would find an alternative. The key here is the phrase I BELIEVE. In my opinion, intelligent people will find alternatives to cuss words. That is how I guide MYSELF. by the way, I'd be willing to bet that people who cuss frequently probably wouldnt score as high on the vocabulary part....


Ah, well, now you're adding qualifiers. (But you can bet that both of them used plenty of the profane language that showed up in their works in their everyday lives. Nowhere in either Shakespeare or Joyce is use of profanity portrayed as something horribly negative, and more often than not it's used for humor. If they found it funny enough to write down, they probably found it funny enough to say over drinks at the pub. And Joyce in particular was just a dirty, dirty man who absolutely adored potty humor.)
Im not using qualifiers, Im only stating the obvious. The Irish are known cussers. I dont know about Shakespeare's everyday speech, and Im not about to assume that he was writing his OWN speech. Its pretty well documented that he was portraying the common folk in his writings. And I confess, I enjoy bathroom humor as much as the next person. But I sure as heck wouldnt start throwing around four letter words at a charity function, or a black tie event or any other gathering of upper crusters. As I said earlier, remember the fracas about Cheney's four letter word? or Bush's snide remarks about the asshole reporters? It tended to make those men look boorish and loutish and lets face it: neanderthal.




So are you saying that James Joyce was unintelligent, or that you're wrong?
neither. merely that he is IRISH. cussing comes with the territory. its passing strange to me. Again. I am not saying intelligent people dont ever cuss, only that they can find substitutes for cuss words. And if they are classy as well as intelligent, I betcha dollars to donuts they arent loading their talk with four letter words.

(And for the record, I'm not trying to convince you that your personal aversion to profanity is bad or wrong. If you don't like profanity, fine. If you find profanity unclassy, fine. If you prefer not to use profanity, fine. It's the claim that anyone who uses profanity is unintelligent that's wrong, and that's all I'm taking issue with.) see above. As I stated in an earlier post, I said that it was the standard by which I guided my life and that my mother said that an intelligent person would find a substitute for profanity. I also said Ive cussed in my day but that I wasnt proud of it and that it was in extreme cases.

[HomerMcvie]

I'm not sure what kinds of porns you're renting, man, but the joke I was making is that "Oma" is a German word for "grandmother."

Maybe in the San Fernando Valley, it's an acronym for "Only Mature Audiences" or "Old Male Asspounding" or something...
Just in the world of Kazaa downloading, the word OMA sometimes pops up. I downloaded one, and yeah, it was an old lady doin' it.:eek: But I still wasn't sure that OMA meant Grandma. I mean, Grandma's probably still need to do it, I just don't want to know about it!:lol:

[irishgrl]

Just in the world of Kazaa downloading, the word OMA sometimes pops up. I downloaded one, and yeah, it was an old lady doin' it.:eek: But I still wasn't sure that OMA meant Grandma. I mean, Grandma's probably still need to do it, I just don't want to know about it!:lol:
they aint dead yet buddy boy!

[jannieC]

I'd be willing to bet that people who cuss frequently probably wouldnt score as high on the vocabulary part....






Just need to chime in that I curse quite a bit and scored really well on the vocab part of the GRE. Just saying...:wavey:

[irishgrl]

Just need to chime in that I curse quite a bit and scored really well on the vocab part of the GRE. Just saying...:wavey:
I was actually envisioning the innercity ghetto types who talk NOTHING but curse words in my other statement, but ok. you got me there. you obviously took the time to learn all those OTHER words Im promoting. but tell me: would you curse in a social situation amongst, say, upper management? or your superiors? or any occasion where people dress fancy and eat fancy and drive fancy? do you hear many others who do? and if so, how are they perceived by the rest of the crowd?
Just curious....

[Kelly]

Just out of curiousity, how long was the other thread up before the moderators took it down? Weeks? Hours? Long enough to ensure people got strikes? :rolleyes:

[Lisa1769]

Most people agree? Since when do I have to answer to a freaking committee, to make a post? If you don't like it, then skip it, or bi*ch incessantly about it. I no longer care what the committee thinks. Believe it or not, I AM a kind person, but if I feel like speaking my mind, I will do so. Committee be damned. Until you sign my paychecks, zip it!

I still think you're a nice person Homer. :xoxo:

I just didn't agree with your approach. You made it fairly obvious who you were talking about. If his posting style bothered you, I feel you should have taken it to him privately, and not put him out on a limb for others to have a jab at. But, that's only my opinion.

[Johnny Stew]

Just out of curiousity, how long was the other thread up before the moderators took it down? Weeks? Hours? Long enough to ensure people got strikes? :rolleyes:As I tried to explain to you, the thread that you're referring to was not initially a violation of our FAQs. I understand that you and your friends were uncomfortable that another friend of yours was being discussed, but, as I also explained, not a single person in that thread was defaming her or harrassing her or belittling her.

At the outset, it was an innocent topic that the average Ledgie would have lost interest in, in no time at all. But the hue and cry which ensued, caused the thread to swell to a dozen pages, and the warnings and strikes occured because folks refused to move on, choosing instead to let the resentment and territorial pissings spill over into other threads.

It was all easily avoidable, and moderators wouldn't have even had to step in.

[Johnny Stew]

If his posting style bothered you, I feel you should have taken it to him privately, and not put him out on a limb for others to have a jab at. But, that's only my opinion.I do believe that very same opinion is exactly what most everyone else in the thread was trying to express... but several hammers and a few dozen nails still couldn't manage to drive that particular point home adequately, it seems. :shrug:

[amber]

ALL I said was that I thought someone posted too much. I DIDN'T say his name, thinking MAYBE I could get some input as to others thoughts on the matter, without baring all. But, you guys bared all, and proceeded to jump all over me, again, for just saying someone posted too much.
AND, this board is so slanted towards women and gays, I'll bet if I called YOU a pussy, FIVE times in a post, that I'd get a strike. But, that'll never happen in your case. Never happen.
As long as I post within the rules and FAQ's, get over it. Just because you post 10 billion times a day, doesn't mean you own the joint.
Oh, homie. homie, homie, homie. Just because I say my opinions, same as you, and same as you are whining you want to be able to do without people jumping on your case, doesn't mean I think I own the joint. And there's not really anything to get over, honestly. I was just trying to make you understand something, I didn't have any personal stake in it. ie, I didn't care that much.
Hugs and bun,
Amber

[amber]

Our Mother who art on the Ledge,
Amber be Thy Name.
Thy Chit Chat come, Flames Will be done,
on Homer, as it is with Irishgrl.
Give us your 32.83 posts per day, our daily bread,
and forgive us our ignorance,
as we forgive those who speak stupid against us.
And lead us into temptation,
With your hot pics of evil.
For thine is the Ledge, and I need a shower, and fantasies of meeting you in the glory hole, for ever and ever.
Amen.
:lol:
Your obvious verbal talent and wit is noted, and appreciated.:xoxo:
oh, shiite, I only have about 10 posts today. I better get on the ball. Mmmm, on the ball...*drool*.

[David]

I do believe that very same opinion is exactly what most everyone else in the thread was trying to express... but several hammers and a few dozen nails still couldn't manage to drive that particular point home adequately, it seems. :shrug:I kind of hope that the person who has issues with me & my comments will PM me or e-mail me & share those issues with me.

You know who you are ... please do so. We can solve this. I know we can. We can walk through the fire, & come out the other end pure & cleansed, if somewhat tender. Let's lay our cards on the table. Above all, let's not mix metaphors.

[Johnny Stew]

Above all, let's not mix metaphors. :o

(My blushing emoticon wasn't a long enough message by itself.)

[Mari]

I miss Carnevaca.

[BombaySapphire3]

I miss Carnevaca.
Can we start a petition to rescind the strikes?:lol:

[Mari]

Can we start a petition to rescind the strikes?:lol:
:lol: I'll dig up my special banners!

[HomerMcvie]

Oh, homie. homie, homie, homie. Just because I say my opinions, same as you, and same as you are whining you want to be able to do without people jumping on your case, doesn't mean I think I own the joint. And there's not really anything to get over, honestly. I was just trying to make you understand something, I didn't have any personal stake in it. ie, I didn't care that much.
Hugs and bun,
Amber
Mmmmmmm, bun.........

[HomerMcvie]

:lol: I'll dig up my special banners!
I still have his PM's.:o

[Mari]

hehe..
I do honestly miss him around here.
'kay, in your honour, Pedro,


RESCIND THE STRIKES!!!

[amber]

Mmmmmmm, bun.........
Okay, then, I think we understand each other...:cool:

[amber]

I miss Carnevaca.
I just have to say, it's so funny that you miss him, but that you thought I was "too aggressive" in enquiring why that one thread was closed. As I recall, (if I am wrong, please tell) you were very vociferous in your "don't ban Carne, you bitches" opinions. And yet, when I enquired why a thread had been closed...You said I was too aggressive....:shrug: Weren't you just as aggressive about the Carne? Is it because on this particular point you didn't agree, that you thought it was more wrong? It seems very similar to me, honestly.
*lawd, I hope this doesn't get misconstrued in the translation. Honestly, I hate debating with foreign people - it can all go horribly awry no matter what the intention.*
you know i love you, though. :xoxo: :angel:

[Moony]

hehe..
I do honestly miss him around here.
'kay, in your honour, Pedro,


RESCIND THE STRIKES!!!
I find that I must agree with this.



RESCIND THE STRIKES!
Hypocrites.

[Mari]

I just have to say, it's so funny that you miss him, but that you thought I was "too aggressive" in enquiring why that one thread was closed. As I recall, (if I am wrong, please tell) you were very vociferous in your "don't ban Carne, you bitches" opinions. And yet, when I enquired why a thread had been closed...You said I was too aggressive....:shrug: Weren't you just as aggressive about the Carne? Is it because on this particular point you didn't agree, that you thought it was more wrong? It seems very similar to me, honestly.
*lawd, I hope this doesn't get misconstrued in the translation. Honestly, I hate debating with foreign people - it can all go horribly awry no matter what the intention.*
you know i love you, though. :xoxo: :angel:

Oi, that one really hit you, did it? Again, I did not call you lame.
Hm, yeah, you're not the only one who told me that last thing was a bit 'out of character'. :D ;)
There's a major difference, for me. You weren't banned for what you said, nothing like that, but Carne was. A much appreciated ledgemember, thrown of the board. I thought that was way out of proportion compared to what he'd been doing and it really really pissed me off.
Ok, you probably were really pissed off too, but from my perspective that was unnecessary. You don't always have to blow up just to make a point. (and like I said, I do think you had a good point) I do think the ladies who moderate chitchat here are willing to listen to a good point. (And, hey, they're new to the job, give them some time to learn. )
The great council of mods in the Carne-case however.. not. That situation felt so unfair to me. He got his third strike then. But how did he get his other two strikes? Everyone is so happy and relieved that Arizonaranger is gone now, but at the time, I heard very little support when I got my two strikes for my part in getting him outed for the d*ckhead he is, or any of the others who did. Unfairness followed by unfairness.
And when someone who is a friend, gets treated really unfairly, I get pretty aggressive myself, whether that might be rational in that situation or not. That's just something in my character, I guess.

(I don't think it's a language thing as much as a concentration thing on my part, really :o Hope this was a decent post anyway!)

[amber]

Oi, that one really hit you, did it? Again, I did not call you lame.
Hm, yeah, you're not the only one who told me that last thing was a bit 'out of character'. :D ;)
There's a major difference, for me. You weren't banned for what you said, nothing like that, but Carne was. A much appreciated ledgemember, thrown of the board. I thought that was way out of proportion compared to what he'd been doing and it really really pissed me off.
Ok, you probably were really pissed off too, but from my perspective that was unnecessary. You don't always have to blow up just to make a point. (and like I said, I do think you had a good point) I do think the ladies who moderate chitchat here are willing to listen to a good point. (And, hey, they're new to the job, give them some time to learn. )
The great council of mods in the Carne-case however.. not. That situation felt so unfair to me. He got his third strike then. But how did he get his other two strikes? Everyone is so happy and relieved that Arizonaranger is gone now, but at the time, I heard very little support when I got my two strikes for my part in getting him outed for the d*ckhead he is, or any of the others who did. Unfairness followed by unfairness.
And when someone who is a friend, gets treated really unfairly, I get pretty aggressive myself, whether that might be rational in that situation or not. That's just something in my character, I guess.

(I don't think it's a language thing as much as a concentration thing on my part, really :o Hope this was a decent post anyway!)

Okay, yeah, you're right. I mean about Carne. I question your opinion about the unnecessariness of my point. And I question your opinion of "blowing up". And it's cool you said I had a point.
unnecessary? I would beg to differ. I saw moderator fascism in the making. And I didn't think I "blew up". But you are right, I wasn't banned, maybe that makes it different. In my head, though, i saw a clear double standard. Ie, if some dude says this stuff, it's cool and right, but if some girl does, it's "too aggressive". Honestly, every Carne post practically was a "blow up". :shrug:
I just find it laughable that anyone who thought he was "fine" would call anything I post "too aggressive".
But that's okay, I'm used to the double standard by now. And you are right, I haven't been banned. :rolleyes:
And for the record, I don't think he should have been banned, either. But I also don't think a girl should be called out for being aggressive when a guy saying the same thing or worse would have merely been accused of being his usual asshole self, ie, "boys will be boys". That smacks of BS.
And your post was very good, and I look forward to the day when I can be called your friend, and therefore worthy of defense. :)
Uh, I don't know about that thing where you got strikes, so I can't comment, though off the cuff it does seem lame.

[BombaySapphire3]

He got his third strike then. But how did he get his other two strikes? Everyone is so happy and relieved that Arizonaranger is gone now, but at the time, I heard very little support when I got my two strikes for my part in getting him outed for the d*ckhead he is, or any of the others who did. Unfairness followed by unfairness.
I honestly could not find what was worthy of 3 strikes in the debates in the threads Carne was involved in .As for the Arizona Ranger like I mentioned earlier in this thread it was his twisted antics that caused the strike system to come into use in the first place.Maybe he just should have been banned right away when it came to light just how deep his twistedness went.Then the people who helped expose him would not have gotten strikes or been banned too.

[Mari]

Okay, yeah, you're right. I mean about Carne. I question your opinion about the unnecessariness of my point. And I question your opinion of "blowing up". And it's cool you said I had a point.
unnecessary? I would beg to differ. I saw moderator fascism in the making. And I didn't think I "blew up". But you are right, I wasn't banned, maybe that makes it different. In my head, though, i saw a clear double standard. Ie, if some dude says this stuff, it's cool and right, but if some girl does, it's "too aggressive". Honestly, every Carne post practically was a "blow up". :shrug:
I just find it laughable that anyone who thought he was "fine" would call anything I post "too aggressive".
But that's okay, I'm used to the double standard by now. And you are right, I haven't been banned. :rolleyes:
And for the record, I don't think he should have been banned, either. But I also don't think a girl should be called out for being aggressive when a guy saying the same thing or worse would have merely been accused of being his usual asshole self, ie, "boys will be boys". That smacks of BS.
And your post was very good, and I look forward to the day when I can be called your friend, and therefore worthy of defense. :)
Uh, I don't know about that thing where you got strikes, so I can't comment, though off the cuff it does seem lame.

Ahem, I don't know who you're talking to now, since the boy-girl thing has nothing to do with it for me! And how is it you're comparing your 'agressive post' thing first to my posting and now it's Carne's? You're bringing in new ammo that has nothing to do with the discussion, I think. Or are you talking about someone else? :confused:
Carne could be pretty out of line, I did not always like that. I just never thought it was enough to actually kick him off. IMO, you only do that with the really ugly trolls.
Could be mod fascism in the making, could be. There's other ways of finding that out than starting a row, though. That would actually make it worse if it's there, I think.

Oh, I'll defend you ;) Don't worry. Or maybe you should :laugh:

[Moony]

Out of curiousity....who else here has a strike? I have one. Mari says she has two...

Any other delinquents??

[BombaySapphire3]

Out of curiousity....who else here has a strike? I have one. Mari says she has two...

Any other delinquents??
I'm kind of outing myself now but I got 2 back in the Arizona Ranger row.I can vouch for Mari's she got her 2 for the exact same thing I did.

[Mari]

Out of curiousity....who else here has a strike? I have one. Mari says she has two...

Any other delinquents??

:laugh:

I know I got one for posting a really nasty pm I got from AR, on the board. Just to show other people his true character. There's rule which says you can't publicly post personal pm's. (Even if they're directed to you in person, apparently)
Forgot what the other one was about, actually.

[BombaySapphire3]

:laugh:

I know I got one for posting a really nasty pm I got from AR, on the board. Just to show other people his true character. There's rule which says you can't publicly post personal pm's. (Even if they're directed to you in person, apparently)
Forgot what the other one was about, actually.
Yeah but yours was only about Dutch cheeses the PM of his I posted had him saying he had sex with my mother.:lol:

[Mari]

Yeah but yours was only about Dutch cheeses the PM of his I posted had him saying he had sex with my mother.:lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh god, how can I forget such a thing?!

(do you still have it?)
(just checked, I still have mine, but I'd better not post it here :laugh: )

[BombaySapphire3]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh god, how can I forget such a thing?!

(do you still have it?)
It was on a thread he started called Mother's Day I thought it would be appropriate to post that PM on the thread.:lol: I'll have to see if it's still around.

[Mari]

It was on a thread he started called Mother's Day I thought it would be appropriate to post that PM on the thread.:lol: I'll have to see if it's still around.

LMFAO!!!

(7,8,9,10)

[amber]

Ahem, I don't know who you're talking to now, since the boy-girl thing has nothing to do with it for me! And how is it you're comparing your 'agressive post' thing first to my posting and now it's Carne's? You're bringing in new ammo that has nothing to do with the discussion, I think. Or are you talking about someone else? :confused:
Carne could be pretty out of line, I did not always like that. I just never thought it was enough to actually kick him off. IMO, you only do that with the really ugly trolls.
Could be mod fascism in the making, could be. There's other ways of finding that out than starting a row, though. That would actually make it worse if it's there, I think.

Oh, I'll defend you ;) Don't worry. Or maybe you should :laugh:
Okay, if that's what you say, then fine. My point, I guess, was that I was shocked you could think anything I had to say was aggressive, considering what you never thought was aggressive in the past. But perhaps I am wrong. Also perhaps I was drawing parallels of what you thought was inappropriate with what you thought was banworthy, which may not have been the same things. :) My bad.


Omigod, Moonehlah, you have a strike???? I'm shocked. SHOCKED!
I don't have any. But member when I said YAMF? That was why. :xoxo:

[Jyqm]

No, you're getting what I said mixed up with what YOU are trying to prove. I didnt say intelligent people dont cuss. I said I believed that intelligent people would find an alternative.

How are those possibly two different things? You didn't say that intelligent people don't cuss, but rather that they find alternatives to cussing?

[Jyqm]

I kind of hope that the person who has issues with me & my comments will PM me or e-mail me & share those issues with me.

You know who you are ... please do so. We can solve this. I know we can. We can walk through the fire, & come out the other end pure & cleansed, if somewhat tender. Let's lay our cards on the table. Above all, let's not mix metaphors.

What the hell took you so long? I've been waiting for this post from you for damn near a week.

[Mari]

Okay, if that's what you say, then fine. My point, I guess, was that I was shocked you could think anything I had to say was aggressive, considering what you never thought was aggressive in the past. But perhaps I am wrong.
Uh, that is a presumption on your side. But that's all I have to say about it.

Also perhaps I was drawing parallels of what you thought was inappropriate with what you thought was banworthy, which may not have been the same things. :) My bad.


Omigod, Moonehlah, you have a strike???? I'm shocked. SHOCKED!
I don't have any. But member when I said YAMF? That was why. :xoxo:

No strikes? You?? So that explains the greenish glow .. :p

[amber]

Uh, that is a presumption on your side. But that's all I have to say about it.



No strikes? You?? So that explains the greenish glow .. :p
How is that a presumption when you told me you thought what I said was aggressive? :confused: I mean, you said "I thought it was too aggressive". You said that. Is the presumption part the part about me assuming that you didn't think what others thought was aggressive? Probably. That's probably what you mean. That's probably it. Ok. That's fine. :)

:lol:
I can't believe i haven't gotten a strike either. I can only conclude that it means I'm exceptionally clever...:lol: :lol: (oh, man, someone should give me a strike just for saying that!!!! :laugh: )
Okay, love ya Mari, must go snack out and lounge in the bed. Honestly, I do see your point. :xoxo:

[Mari]

How is that a presumption when you told me you thought what I said was aggressive? :confused: I mean, you said "I thought it was too aggressive". You said that. Is the presumption part the part about me assuming that you didn't think what others thought was aggressive? Probably. That's probably what you mean. That's probably it. Ok. That's fine. :)

:lol:
I can't believe i haven't gotten a strike either. I can only conclude that it means I'm exceptionally clever...:lol: :lol: (oh, man, someone should give me a strike just for saying that!!!! :laugh: )
Okay, love ya Mari, must go snack out and lounge in the bed. Honestly, I do see your point. :xoxo:

Uh, yeah, Uh.. I should do some ... work :o :D
:xoxo:

[amber]

Uh, yeah, Uh.. I should do some ... work :o :D
:xoxo:
Work sucks, don't believe the hype.









:laugh: :xoxo:
Yeah, you better, most cappies die without work. :) DIE! :laugh:

[irishgrl]

Okay, yeah, you're right. I mean about Carne. I question your opinion about the unnecessariness of my point. And I question your opinion of "blowing up". And it's cool you said I had a point.
unnecessary? I would beg to differ. I saw moderator fascism in the making. And I didn't think I "blew up". But you are right, I wasn't banned, maybe that makes it different. In my head, though, i saw a clear double standard. Ie, if some dude says this stuff, it's cool and right, but if some girl does, it's "too aggressive". Honestly, every Carne post practically was a "blow up". :shrug:
I just find it laughable that anyone who thought he was "fine" would call anything I post "too aggressive".
But that's okay, I'm used to the double standard by now. And you are right, I haven't been banned. :rolleyes:
And for the record, I don't think he should have been banned, either. But I also don't think a girl should be called out for being aggressive when a guy saying the same thing or worse would have merely been accused of being his usual asshole self, ie, "boys will be boys". That smacks of BS.
And your post was very good, and I look forward to the day when I can be called your friend, and therefore worthy of defense. :)
Uh, I don't know about that thing where you got strikes, so I can't comment, though off the cuff it does seem lame.

I wasnt here when Carne got his third strike but I have to say I agree with Amber. Double standards are just WRONG. And, I have seen Carne in action on other boards. As far as IM concerned, the man was nothing but trouble. And I for one dont miss him.

[irishgrl]

How are those possibly two different things? You didn't say that intelligent people don't cuss, but rather that they find alternatives to cussing?
they ARE different because while I know it does happen, I believe that an intelligent person should take the high road and avoid the cuss word when there are so many other perfectly good substitutes. Are you deliberately trying to be obtuse? Ive said this at least 4 if not 5 times or more. Its a fine distinction, maybe too subtle for you :shrug:

[Moony]

Omigod, Moonehlah, you have a strike???? I'm shocked. SHOCKED!
I don't have any. But member when I said YAMF? That was why. :xoxo:
Indeed I do, I just got it about a week ago. I'm rather proud of my strike, actually :)

[irishgrl]

Good luck right now. Sesly. Have you taken "Advanced Talking With a Brick Wall"? I hope so.

Apparently you flunked.
But you obviously breezed thru the "MY **** DONT STINK" and "THE WORLD REVOLVES AROUND ME" courses.

oh excuse me: that should read "MY FECES SMELL LOVELY"

Actually, Jyqm: you're right. I can see why "****" is a better choice than "FECES". you win.

[Moony]

That's it, you're all banned.

[Mari]

I wasnt here when Carne got his third strike but I have to say I agree with Amber. Double standards are just WRONG. And, I have seen Carne in action on other boards. As far as IM concerned, the man was nothing but trouble. And I for one dont miss him.

yeah, they are, if that's what was actually the case.. maybe you ought to read the rest of the thread before commenting :shrug:

[irishgrl]

yeah, they are, if that's what was actually the case.. maybe you ought to read the rest of the thread before commenting :shrug:
I was taking Amber's word for it (maybe a mistake :shrug: ) that there was a double standard. If there wasnt, then, my mistake. About the thread: I'd be happy to read it, do you have a link?

[Mari]

I was taking Amber's word for it (maybe a mistake :shrug: ) that there was a double standard. If there wasnt, then, my mistake. About the thread: I'd be happy to read it, do you have a link?

I meant this thread.
But the other one was a thread about 'why was the picture thread closed down', I think.

btw, it looks funny that marquee, but is the quote button supposed to marquee along with it :laugh:

[irishgrl]

I meant this thread.
But the other one was a thread about 'why was the picture thread closed down', I think.

btw, it looks funny that marquee, but is the quote button supposed to marquee along with it :laugh:
It doesnt show on my screen :shrug: I guess I'll have to go back to the CP and fine tune.

about your comment: if you meant this thread then I CAN comment because I DID read the whole thing. I was quoting Amber's comment where she mentioned being used to a double standard and that it was BS....so where YOU are coming from with your "you should read the whole thread before you comment" I dont know... care to clarify? now Im off to check my siggy...

[irishgrl]

Mari, out of curiosity, where do you see the quote button? and does anyone else see it? because its not in the HTML code in my sig on my CP and I dont see it when it scrolls by on MY screen. Anyone?

[Mari]

It doesnt show on my screen :shrug: I guess I'll have to go back to the CP and fine tune.

about your comment: if you meant this thread then I CAN comment because I DID read the whole thing. I was quoting Amber's comment where she mentioned being used to a double standard and that it was BS....so where YOU are coming from with your "you should read the whole thread before you comment" I dont know... care to clarify? now Im off to check my siggy...

Why sure, since you ask it so nicely :rolleyes:
I think I clarified I wasn't calling her aggressive because she's a girl. Neither did I call Carne's posts not aggressive.



Excuse me while I go find me some nits to pick.

[Mari]

Mari, out of curiosity, where do you see the quote button? and does anyone else see it? because its not in the HTML code in my sig on my CP and I dont see it when it scrolls by on MY screen. Anyone?

it's right under the dancing santaclaus smilies.
Hm, maybe just a bug, though I'm using Internet explorer.. I'd expect something like that to happen in firefox.

[irishgrl]

Why sure, since you ask it so nicely :rolleyes:
I think I clarified I wasn't calling her aggressive because she's a girl. Neither did I call Carne's posts not aggressive.
Excuse me while I go find me some nits to pick.

I think I quoted Amber as I was reading thru the thread and you posted an answer later on. I dont see what the problem is? I tend to respond to posts as I go thru a thread, and apparently you think its better to read the whole thing first? The only problem with that is you lose track of the places you want to quote...and sometimes (I dont know about you but its true for me with my ADHD) I even forget what I was going to say. So, I quote as I make my way thru. sorry if you thought I was picking on you. I was actually talking about double standards in general, not necessarily your posts..

[irishgrl]

it's right under the dancing santaclaus smilies.
Hm, maybe just a bug, though I'm using Internet explorer.. I'd expect something like that to happen in firefox.
Ive checked and checked, I dont see where that would come in? I didnt have anything to quote at that part of the siggy :shrug: but I want it to look right so if anyone can confirm what Mari is seeing, I'd appreciate it...

[Mari]

I think I quoted Amber as I was reading thru the thread and you posted an answer later on. I dont see what the problem is? I tend to respond to posts as I go thru a thread, and apparently you think its better to read the whole thing first? The only problem with that is you lose track of the places you want to quote...and sometimes (I dont know about you but its true for me with my ADHD) I even forget what I was going to say. So, I quote as I make my way thru. sorry if you thought I was picking on you. I was actually talking about double standards in general, not necessarily your posts..

ok, misunderstanding solved.
hah, yeah, I know about concentration problems.. reading a long post and halfway forgetting what was said at the start, does that sound familiar?
same way with posting answers, I start making some point but a few lines later I don't remember what that point actually was.
I blame it on epilepsy, but perhaps we're just getting old ;)
(I know, I know, I've no right to use that argument yet, only 30!)

[Mari]

here you go, the scrolling quote button..

[irishgrl]

ok, misunderstanding solved.
hah, yeah, I know about concentration problems.. reading a long post and halfway forgetting what was said at the start, does that sound familiar?
same way with posting answers, I start making some point but a few lines later I don't remember what that point actually was.
I blame it on epilepsy, but perhaps we're just getting old ;)
(I know, I know, I've no right to use that argument yet, only 30!)
its all good :xoxo: now: about my siggy.....I wonder, do you have another browser you can use? if so, does it show on that one? This is bugging me!

[irishgrl]

here you go, the scrolling quote button..

That is hilarious! :lol: how in the world would THAT get in there? it isnt even on my text box as an option or anything :eek: I tell you, that is so funny, I wish I COULD make something like that! very very funny :]

I wonder tho: if you were to restart your browser, would it still do that? or would it be fixed? I dont think its my siggy because I dont have those buttons in the text box anywhere....I think its a glitch on your screen. sometimes I only see the santa hats bouncing (like they fell down in a hole) and not the picture at all, so its kinda iffy the picture I get

[sara1998]

That is hilarious! :lol: how in the world would THAT get in there? it isnt even on my text box as an option or anything :eek: I tell you, that is so funny, I wish I COULD make something like that! very very funny :]
The scrolling quote has to stay! I've been cracking up on this throughout this whole thread! It's hilarious.

[irishgrl]

The scrolling quote has to stay! I've been cracking up on this throughout this whole thread! It's hilarious.
Good grief! you see it too? its not on the CP??????????? Well, I cant claim the credit...I didnt do it! There's GREMLINS in my siggy yessir!:eek: :nod: :]

Thats IT! Im going to check my dang CP again! this is silly!

[sara1998]

Anyway... this whole thread is rediculous. Why are you all still blah blah blah-ing about this? It was basically resolved between the two parties it was basically between. I like Homer, and I like David. I think Homer could have gone a different way about his problem, but, it's been said, too many times, by many different people. And these two don't really even have a problem with eachother!!!

Can't we all just get along???

[Jyqm]

Actually, Jyqm: you're right. I can see why "****" is a better choice than "FECES". you win.

Thanks!

As you can see, the "Why use profanity when there are other perfectly suitable words out there?" just doesn't hold water 100% of the time. Sometimes le mot juste just happens to be a four-letter one.

[irishgrl]

Thanks!

As you can see, the "Why use profanity when there are other perfectly suitable words out there?" just doesn't hold water 100% of the time. Sometimes le mot juste just happens to be a four-letter one.

I didnt mean to imply 100% of the time anyway. I DID say I sometimes use cuss words :shrug: I still think its better to take the verbal high road, but sometimes, Im afraid, the occasion DOES call for it. Although my Grandmother would most strongly disagree. to her, any word used as a substitute (dang instead of damn for instance) was just as bad as the original word. She never EVER cussed ONCE in her life. she didnt even use substitutes. And I had to watch the "shucks's" and "gosh's" etc around her.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Good grief! you see it too? its not on the CP??????????? Well, I cant claim the credit...I didnt do it! There's GREMLINS in my siggy yessir!:eek: :nod: :]

Thats IT! Im going to check my dang CP again! this is silly!
It doesn't scroll for me!

[sara1998]

It doesn't scroll for me!
She fixed it. :distress:

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

She fixed it. :distress:
Bugger ! !

[irishgrl]

Bugger ! !
go back a few pages...Mari posted a screen shot. it was pretty funny!

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

go back a few pages...Mari posted a screen shot. it was pretty funny!
Hehe.. love it!

[skcin]

Indeed I do, I just got it about a week ago. I'm rather proud of my strike, actually :)


Awwww! Congratulations, Moony! :)


Anyway... this whole thread is rediculous. Why are you all still blah blah blah-ing about this? It was basically resolved between the two parties it was basically between. I like Homer, and I like David. I think Homer could have gone a different way about his problem, but, it's been said, too many times, by many different people. And these two don't really even have a problem with eachother!!!

Can't we all just get along???

I agree, Sara. It's been established that Davidmn posts a lot & it annoys some people that he really doesn't have much to say in most of those posts. No big deal. :shrug: I'm not going to try to tell anyone what to say (or not to say) but geez, people, relax & get over it.

[irishgrl]

I had been trying to get strikes for what felt like ages, but nothing I did was outrageous enough. The countless arguments I got into and the countless threads I made just to attack people's character gave me no such strikes. But then I found the perfect strike producing weapon. I now have more than one. I'll leave you to guess just how many.
one strike for each user name heh heh....just kidding, I know that was a one time deal, I just couldnt resist

[SteveMacD]

I had been trying to get strikes for what felt like ages, but nothing I did was outrageous enough. The countless arguments I got into and the countless threads I made just to attack people's character gave me no such strikes. But then I found the perfect strike producing weapon. I now have more than one. I'll leave you to guess just how many.
I don't know if I have any strikes. It wouldn't shock me if I did, what, with all the heresy, blasphemy, inciting, sexual innuendo, link posting, posting pictures of very questionable taste, using colorful language, using the term "chiffonhead" on more than five occasions, being a sarcastic smart-ass, and generally pissing people off. At this point, I'm more scared of a lightening strike than a strike on the Ledge.

[jannieC]

I was actually envisioning the innercity ghetto types who talk NOTHING but curse words in my other statement, but ok. you got me there. you obviously took the time to learn all those OTHER words Im promoting. but tell me: would you curse in a social situation amongst, say, upper management? or your superiors? or any occasion where people dress fancy and eat fancy and drive fancy? do you hear many others who do? and if so, how are they perceived by the rest of the crowd?
Just curious....

I know this has all been resolved in later posts, but I didn't want you to think I was ignoring you by not answering. :)

I happen to work for a church, so cursing obviously isn't part of my vocabulary there (unless it's just me and the minister, and then we let fly). But when I'm angry, no matter where I am, I will curse. Mother f*cker is my favorite choice. I would never even want to use another non-curse word. I thought we were talking about cursing in anger, though. As far as the other occasions you mentioned, no- I would not curse. I'm not saying I'm genius level intelligent, and I'm definitely not bragging, but I scored a 680 out of 800 on the GRE (and yet I scored a 320 on the math section- sigh). I just don't see the correlation between intelligence and cursing. I think if someone just (frequently) randomly curses in conversation, it doesn't make them unintelligent; perhaps it's more habit than anything else.

[HomerMcvie]

I don't know if I have any strikes. It wouldn't shock me if I did, what, with all the heresy, blasphemy, inciting, sexual innuendo, link posting, posting pictures of very questionable taste, using colorful language, using the term "chiffonhead" on more than five occasions, being a sarcastic smart-ass, and generally pissing people off. At this point, I'm more scared of a lightening strike than a strike on the Ledge.
Do they tell you when you get a strike??:confused: AFAIK, I have none. I always figured they told you that you got one, and why.
Eh, three strikes would force my ass off this couch, and make me find a new addiction.

[cliffdweller]

Just in the world of Kazaa downloading, the word OMA sometimes pops up. I downloaded one, and yeah, it was an old lady doin' it.:eek: But I still wasn't sure that OMA meant Grandma. I mean, Grandma's probably still need to do it, I just don't want to know about it!:lol:

Thanks for sharing :rolleyes: I did NOT need that mental image :distress:.

[cliffdweller]

I wasnt here when Carne got his third strike but I have to say I agree with Amber. Double standards are just WRONG. And, I have seen Carne in action on other boards. As far as IM concerned, the man was nothing but trouble. And I for one dont miss him.

Agreed. To tell you the truth, I was seriously shocked that he had so many supporters. All I remember were his nasty outbursts, and I mean NASTY personal attacks! That guy? Mean-spirited, malicious, and downright offensive.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Do they tell you when you get a strike??:confused:

Yes they do...in either a PM or email.

[The Tower]

Yes they do...in either a PM or email.
How many strikes do you have?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

How many strikes do you have?

.....2......

[cliffdweller]

I didnt mean to imply 100% of the time anyway. I DID say I sometimes use cuss words :shrug: I still think its better to take the verbal high road, but sometimes, Im afraid, the occasion DOES call for it. Although my Grandmother would most strongly disagree. to her, any word used as a substitute (dang instead of damn for instance) was just as bad as the original word. She never EVER cussed ONCE in her life. she didnt even use substitutes. And I had to watch the "shucks's" and "gosh's" etc around her.

:laugh::laugh: My grandmother was like that too. She also hated it when I would exclaim, "GAWD!!" and would comlain that I was taking the Lord's name in vain! She was hard to deal with at times let me just say.

But about cussing...I love it. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE it. I love the poetics of cussing, to me, a well worded, well thought out curse is brilliant :laugh:. But then again, I love language and don't believe in the strict prescriptivist rules people try to impose on it continually. I guess what I'm trying to say is that cursing can be beautiful, especially if you're Quentin Tarrantino, David Mamet, or Martin Scorcese! :laugh:

[Jyqm]

.....2......

One via PM and one via e-mail?

Your buddy Ms. Groves has a dangling participle down there in your signature that is just driving me mad...

[SuzeQuze]

:laugh::laugh: My grandmother was like that too. She also hated it when I would exclaim, "GAWD!!" and would comlain that I was taking the Lord's name in vain! She was hard to deal with at times let me just say.

But about cussing...I love it. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE it. I love the poetics of cussing, to me, a well worded, well thought out curse is brilliant :laugh:. But then again, I love language and don't believe in the strict prescriptivist rules people try to impose on it continually. I guess what I'm trying to say is that cursing can be beautiful, especially if you're Quentin Tarrantino, David Mamet, or Martin Scorcese! :laugh:

My favorite is "oh for f*ck's sake". :lol: Except I said it in front of my roommate's mom once and she was not amused. I was surprised anyone is offended by that word anymore but they are. I've tried to reel it in a bit since.

[BTFLCHLD]

How many strikes do you have?
curious...is it three strikes youre out?

[strandinthewind]

The Irish swear just as much as the English or Americans in my experience. :shrug:
I'm not a fan of swearing but some of the some intelligent people I've even met have had a penchant for swear words. I used to work with a girl who was Oxbridge educated and was an amazing writer and her favourite word was c**t. It's just how you were brought up or simple preference, it has nothing to do with intelligence.

I tend to agree that not using curse words is a matter of being polite as opposed to a lack of intelligence. However, there the problem of someone being too stupid to be polite and trust me I know too many :laugh:

[sara1998]

I'm not a fan of swearing but some of the some intelligent people I've even met have had a penchant for swear words. I used to work with a girl who was Oxbridge educated and was an amazing writer and her favourite word was c**t. It's just how you were brought up or simple preference, it has nothing to do with intelligence.
I think it does have to do with one's upbringing... my folks used to swear like it was a second language... and I have a bad potty mouth. It's calmed down since I've been out of production work. I have to watch it in a office. But, I still curse while driving... they're all f*ckheads out there!:lol: - oh, and just for the record, I'm not a dumbass!!! :D

[strandinthewind]

. . . oh, and just for the record, I'm not a dumbass!!! :D

A smart a$$ yes - but not a dumba$$ :xoxo: :xoxo: :angel:

I suspect the reply will be about the color of pots and kettels :cool:

[David]

Do they tell you when you get a strike??:confused: AFAIK, I have none. I always figured they told you that you got one, and why.
Eh, three strikes would force my ass off this couch, and make me find a new addiction.Homer, we have to revive amfm!!!

Let 2006 be the Reunion Year of AMFM!!! We could call it "The Dance"!!
:blob2: :blob2:

[SteveMacD]

A smart a$$ yes - but not a dumba$$ :xoxo: :xoxo: :angel:

I suspect the reply will be about the color of pots and kettels :cool:
I was thinking about houses, stones, glass, and the physics of when the three meet.

[Richard B]

I didnt mean to imply 100% of the time anyway. I DID say I sometimes use cuss words :shrug: I still think its better to take the verbal high road, but sometimes, Im afraid, the occasion DOES call for it. Although my Grandmother would most strongly disagree. to her, any word used as a substitute (dang instead of damn for instance) was just as bad as the original word. She never EVER cussed ONCE in her life. she didnt even use substitutes. And I had to watch the "shucks's" and "gosh's" etc around her.
Frightening. She is certainly from the old school. Most "grandparents" were raised like that. They were raised in a very different era. It's not realistic today.

Let's face it, language is always evolving, with curse words or not, for better or for worse. Regardless, swearing can be very appropriate when all other words have exhausted themselves without getting through to the recipient.

[The Tower]

curious...is it three strikes youre out?
Yep.

I don't have any strikes. Good thing being crude isn't a strike earning offense...

[Jyqm]

Homer, we have to revive amfm!!!

Let 2006 be the Reunion Year of AMFM!!! We could call it "The Dance"!!
:blob2: :blob2:

You know I'm always up for it. Poor Bill Gamelson and Dr. Bukkake need some company over there.

[cliffdweller]

My favorite is "oh for f*ck's sake". :lol: Except I said it in front of my roommate's mom once and she was not amused. I was surprised anyone is offended by that word anymore but they are. I've tried to reel it in a bit since.


I like to use the word "balls" as a catch-all expletive for just about anything :laugh:.

[David]

You know I'm always up for it. Poor Bill Gamelson and Dr. Bukkake need some company over there.I was just about to answer Swill's question about the interview when a little voice said to me: "Let it gooooooo...."

I just need to let. it. gooooooooo.

[David]

I like to use the word "balls" as a catch-all expletive for just about anything :laugh:.Friends often catch me saying "Aww, fishsticks" in the style of Jimmy Cagney in "White Heat" or "Jimmy the Gent." I also often say "You so-&-so!" a la maniere de Claudette Colbert in "Midnight."

[cliffdweller]

Friends often catch me saying "Aww, fishsticks" in the style of Jimmy Cagney in "White Heat" or "Jimmy the Gent." I also often say "You so-&-so!" a la maniere de Claudette Colbert in "Midnight."


Such language! It's decided: you're the dirtiest bird on this board ;)

[irishgrl]

:laugh::laugh: My grandmother was like that too. She also hated it when I would exclaim, "GAWD!!" and would comlain that I was taking the Lord's name in vain! She was hard to deal with at times let me just say.

But about cussing...I love it. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE it. I love the poetics of cussing, to me, a well worded, well thought out curse is brilliant :laugh:. But then again, I love language and don't believe in the strict prescriptivist rules people try to impose on it continually. I guess what I'm trying to say is that cursing can be beautiful, especially if you're Quentin Tarrantino, David Mamet, or Martin Scorcese! :laugh:
actually, I think it is possible to insult someone quite effectively without cussing. take for instance the scene in Hook where Captain hook addresses his crew as "you sorry sacks of entrails" there was a bit more in the phrase, but I dont remember it entirely without breaking out the movie. another example is P.G. Wodehouse, who used to regularly have his characters say things along the lines of "BERTIE! you old Blot on the landscape! or you pimple on the arse of humanity! how about "pulchritudinous piece of poundage" ...... See what I mean? I think THAT is far more clever and requires more thought than a simple "mother****er" which in my opinion is so overdone as to have lost its insult cachet.

[hayley]

actually, I think it is possible to insult someone quite effectively without cussing. take for instance the scene in Hook where Captain hook addresses his crew as "you sorry sacks of entrails" there was a bit more in the phrase, but I dont remember it entirely without breaking out the movie. another example is P.G. Wodehouse, who used to regularly have his characters say things along the lines of "BERTIE! you old Blot on the landscape! or you pimple on the arse of humanity! how about "pulchritudinous piece of poundage" ...... See what I mean? I think THAT is far more clever and requires more thought than a simple "mother****er" which in my opinion is so overdone as to have lost its insult cachet.
Tobias, you blowhard!

[irishgrl]

The Irish swear just as much as the English or Americans in my experience. :shrug:
I'm not a fan of swearing but some of the most intelligent people I've even met have had a penchant for swear words. I used to work with a girl who was Oxbridge educated and was an amazing writer and her favourite word was c**t. It's just how you were brought up or simple preference, it has nothing to do with intelligence.
that was something my mother said to me when I was a teenager and I floated a few cuss words past her. I think she's right, I think that it requires more effort to come up with something equally (if not more) withering without relying on the lowest common denominator. Again, its what I believe. And, as I said, Im not 100% perfect, I do resort to the occasional curse/cuss word every now and then. sometimes the substitute is laffable (feces instead of ****) which I discovered earlier in this thread. It doesnt change my overall position because I never said a person has to ALWAYS avoid cuss words. I just personally believe it is more of a mental exercise to substitute something instead of a cuss word.

btw: Have you ever watched "The Commitments?" the entire movie is salted with so many four letter words that I was frankly amazed! even little children, priests, old folks, they ALL did it. Lets just say I wasnt expecting the foul language from everyone of all ages/callings....Of course, Americans are notoriously foul-mouthed, but the slang you get from Britain is of a different stripe, their most heinous swear words are strangely tame to MY ears (BLOODY? I know its a reference to God's Blood but come ON! BUGGER? doesnt carry the same weight as But****er IMO....and their "fag" is a cigarette....)

[Jyqm]

actually, I think it is possible to insult someone quite effectively without cussing.

It's also possible to insult someone effectively without using any words that contain the letter e.

[irishgrl]

However, there the problem of someone being too stupid to be polite and trust me I know too many :laugh:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Jyqm]

I just personally believe it is more of a mental exercise to substitute something instead of a cuss word.

Have you ever read Naked Lunch?

[irishgrl]

Frightening. She is certainly from the old school. Most "grandparents" were raised like that. They were raised in a very different era. It's not realistic today.

Let's face it, language is always evolving, with curse words or not, for better or for worse. Regardless, swearing can be very appropriate when all other words have exhausted themselves without getting through to the recipient.

you may have a point there, my friend! you may have a point there :nod:

[SuzeQuze]

...
btw: Have you ever watched "The Commitments?" the entire movie is salted with so many four letter words that I was frankly amazed! even little children, priests, old folks, they ALL did it. Lets just say I wasnt expecting the foul language from everyone of all ages/callings....Of course, Americans are notoriously foul-mouthed, but the slang you get from Britain is of a different stripe, their most heinous swear words are strangely tame to MY ears (BLOODY? I know its a reference to God's Blood but come ON! BUGGER? doesnt carry the same weight as But****er IMO....and their "fag" is a cigarette....)

That movie is awesome! I do tend to use "bloody" sometimes. "Bugger" is really funny to me for some reason. :laugh:

[irishgrl]

I like to use the word "balls" as a catch-all expletive for just about anything :laugh:.
so does my mother, strangely enough, and she was the one that urged me to find substitutes for cuss words! When I got old enuff to know what "balls" were, I was shocked at her crudeness! Apparently there is just NO substitute for BALLS! :lol:

[cliffdweller]

"mother****er" which in my opinion is so overdone as to have lost its insult cachet.


I like it. But I get ya. ;)

[cliffdweller]

so does my mother, strangely enough, and she was the one that urged me to find substitutes for cuss words! When I got old enuff to know what "balls" were, I was shocked at her crudeness! Apparently there is just NO substitute for BALLS! :lol:

Or bullocks, don't forget bullocks! :laugh:

[irishgrl]

Or bullocks, don't forget bullocks! :laugh:
uh...isnt it BALLOCKS? isnt THAT another way of saying BALLS? I think "BALLS" the more efficient of the two, but then, thats just me.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

One via PM and one via e-mail?

They both were via email...my PM box was full and I didn't even realize it.

Your buddy Ms. Groves has a dangling participle down there in your signature that is just driving me mad...

Really?...where at? That is funny because she used to be a high school English teacher! :eek: (But I did some editing to make that part fit the sig...so perhaps it was my doing...lol)

[ELIUD]

actually, I think it is possible to insult someone quite effectively without cussing. take for instance the scene in Hook where Captain hook addresses his crew as "you sorry sacks of entrails" there was a bit more in the phrase, but I dont remember it entirely without breaking out the movie. another example is P.G. Wodehouse, who used to regularly have his characters say things along the lines of "BERTIE! you old Blot on the landscape! or you pimple on the arse of humanity! how about "pulchritudinous piece of poundage" ...... See what I mean? I think THAT is far more clever and requires more thought than a simple "mother****er" which in my opinion is so overdone as to have lost its insult cachet.


Those are great examples of insults that cut without cussing. Here's another one from one of my favorite films:
"You clinking, clanking, clattering, collection of coliginous junk!"

Does anyone recognize the line and is able to name the movie from where it came?

[irishgrl]

Those are great examples of insults that cut without cussing. Here's another one from one of my favorite films:
"You clinking, clanking, clattering, collection of coliginous junk!"

Does anyone recognize the line and is able to name the movie from where it came?
EASY! the Wizard of OZ said that to the TIN MAN :D

and that is EXACTLY what I mean! cussing is verbal laziness! phrases like the ones mentioned are much more entertaining IMO and show more thought/effort!

[Jyqm]

Really?...where at? That is funny because she used to be a high school English teacher! :eek: (But I did some editing to make that part fit the sig...so perhaps it was my doing...lol)

That first line, "Alone with a lifetime, Africa called." Unless she really means to say that Africa was alone with a lifetime.

[Jyqm]

uh...isnt it BALLOCKS?

The Sex Pistols prefer "Bollocks."

[irishgrl]

That first line, "Alone with a lifetime, Africa called." Unless she really means to say that Africa was alone with a lifetime.

I always wondered what a dangling participle was....so, its just a sentence that is worded in such a way as to leave the reader hanging?

btw: I freely admit I am not expert at diagramming a sentence, but I have a natural sense of proper grammar and a basic understanding of its parts....this is just one of those grammar issues you hear about but have a hard time illustrating (at least I would)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

That first line, "Alone with a lifetime, Africa called." Unless she really means to say that Africa was alone with a lifetime.

Ahh I see what you mean now...oh well...I guess it was the only way it would work musically...it really wouldn't fit to say..."Esther was alone with a lifetime, when Africa called"...hmmm...dunno.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I always wondered what a dangling participle was....so, its just a sentence that is worded in such a way as to leave the reader hanging?

Hehe...I wasn't to sure what it was either. But now that I know...I would have to say that it is a common mistake made by many writers.

[irishgrl]

The Sex Pistols prefer "Bollocks."
thank you. I KNEW it looked funny for some reason....

[Richard B]

cussing is verbal laziness! phrases like the ones mentioned are much more entertaining IMO and show more thought/effort!
Or

The War of The Roses:
Oliver Rose: You have sunk below the deepest layer of prehistoric frog **** at the bottom of a New Jersey scum swamp.

Monty Python and The Holy Grail:
French Soldier: I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

[ELIUD]

EASY! the Wizard of OZ said that to the TIN MAN :D

and that is EXACTLY what I mean! cussing is verbal laziness! phrases like the ones mentioned are much more entertaining IMO and show more thought/effort!
Ding Ding!
You get a "cooler than thou" ribbon. Coming in the mail!

[irishgrl]

Or

The War of The Roses:
Oliver Rose: You have sunk below the deepest layer of prehistoric frog **** at the bottom of a New Jersey scum swamp.

Monty Python and The Holy Grail:
French Soldier: I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.


YES YES YES! PERFECTION!
I think English Authors/Writers are expert at this sort of thing but thats just me. I dont think Americans have quite grasped the concept, and its a shame really because I find this sort of mental exercise quite entertaining :)
Alliteration is a hugely helpful tool in this sort of endeavor as is a wide ranging vocabulary for words that express excess or extremes....

[Jyqm]

and that is EXACTLY what I mean! cussing is verbal laziness!

As with everything, depends on how you use it.

phrases like the ones mentioned are much more entertaining IMO and show more thought/effort!

Just because language is flowery doesn't mean there's more effort behind it than there is behind language that's simplistic or crude. Just ask Hemingway.

And no disrespect to the great and powerful Oz, but I think there's just a bit more thought invested in a line like, "I saw the best minds of my generation . . . who let themselves be f***ed in the ass by saintly motorcyclists, and screamed with joy . . .," than there is in, "You clinking, clanking, clattering, collection of coliginous junk!"

[irishgrl]

I just remembered another proponent of the art of non-profane insults:

Slip Mahoney (Leo Gorcey, anyone besides me remember him? He was the inspiration for Norm Crosby's act) in the Bowery Boys used to always insult Satch (Huntz Hall) or various other characters with his mangling of the language....Hilarious!

[Jyqm]

I always wondered what a dangling participle was....so, its just a sentence that is worded in such a way as to leave the reader hanging?

Sort of. "Alone with a lifetime" is a participial phrase, as are phrases like, "at the top of the stairs," or "smelling the roses." They're all phrases which describe the action or situation of a particular noun (which I believe would be called an antecedent), and they need to be as close to that noun as possible in the sentece. If a participial phrase is somehow divorced from its antecedent, then it's left dangling out there in the middle of the sentence, making things ambiguous.

"John walked through the garden. Bending down to smell the roses, a bee stung him." Grammatically, that second sentence means that the bee was the one bending down to smell the roses.

Hehe...I wasn't to sure what it was either. But now that I know...I would have to say that it is a common mistake made by many writers.

Yeah, it's incredibly common. People do it all the time, because it's just such a subtle thing. I used one the other day in something important that I was writing and never noticed until someone else pointed it out me.

[irishgrl]

As with everything, depends on how you use it.



Just because language is flowery doesn't mean there's more effort behind it than there is behind language that's simplistic or crude. Just ask Hemingway.

And no disrespect to the great and powerful Oz, but I think there's just a bit more thought invested in a line like, "I saw the best minds of my generation . . . who let themselves be f***ed in the ass by saintly motorcyclists, and screamed with joy . . .," than there is in, "You clinking, clanking, clattering, collection of coliginous junk!"

to each his own I guess.....simplistic and crude doesnt require any thought. its mental "fill in the blanks" in my opinion. if it speaks to you, great.

[Jyqm]

to each his own I guess.....simplistic and crude doesnt require any thought.

I do so love repeating: Depending on how it's used. Yes. It does.

Hemingway labored intensely over most of what he wrote, and his diction, which was occasionally crude and always simplistic, was always very deliberate and very thought-out.

[irishgrl]

Sort of. "Alone with a lifetime" is a participial phrase, as are phrases like, "at the top of the stairs," or At the top of the stairs, being dark :lol:

or "smelling the roses." They're all phrases which describe the action or situation of a particular noun (which I believe would be called an antecedent), and they need to be as close to that noun as possible in the sentece.

Im not sure that I see why "smelling the roses" would be considered dangling. no one I know would have a sentence composed entirely of "smelling the roses" I think most people would say "I was.." or "he was.."
or she was..." :shrug:

If a participial phrase is somehow divorced from its antecedent, then it's left dangling out there in the middle of the sentence, making things ambiguous.
what the heck is a participle anyway?

"John walked through the garden. Bending down to smell the roses, a bee stung him." Grammatically, that second sentence means that the bee was the one bending down to smell the roses.

wait, that doesnt make sense. someone is obviously bending down to smell the roses and got stung. Granted, it might have made more sense if it was worded "as he bent down to smell the roses, a bee stung him" but it doesnt strike me as too grievous an error :shrug:

[irishgrl]

That's just a cultural difference which is silly to judge by because there are different meanings. I mean you guys have fanny packs for christ's sake which of course is a vagina pack, what a hideous name for something that needn't be. "Bloody" is a religious reference and therefore possibly more offensive than "****" to some yet it's so common and otherwise has become a regular term.

Bollocks means "rubbish" or basically "not true". If you don't agree with something you say it's bollocks.

a fanny pack is a "vagina pack?" fanny = vagina in your neck of the woods?
hoo boy! and if you'll re-read, I did infer that our respective versions of slang were independent. Words the British find offensive are innocuous to Americans and vice versa...
btw: nice of you to join in....in a weird sort of masochistic way, I've missed you.

[Jyqm]

Im not sure that I see why "smelling the roses" would be considered dangling.

It's not, unless it's in a sentence where it's separated from it's antecedent. Otherwise it's simply a participial phrase.

"John walked through the garden. Bending down to smell the roses, a bee stung him." Grammatically, that second sentence means that the bee was the one bending down to smell the roses.

=irishgrl]wait, that doesnt make sense. someone is obviously bending down to smell the roses and got stung.

Well right, clearly, what is meant is that John bent down and smelled the roses, but grammatically the sentence is still incorrect. One of the reasons dangling participles become such a common error is because we correct them for ourselves like that in our heads. It's obvious that the phrase "Bending down to smell the roses" is meant to apply to John, if that's made ambiguous by the sentence.

Granted, it might have made more sense if it was worded "as he bent down to smell the roses, a bee stung him" but it doesnt strike me as too grievous an error :shrug:

A dangling particple usually doesn't make a sentence totally unreadable, no, but it does add an unnecessary level of ambiguity and can often be clumsy, so it really should be avoided in serious or professional writing.

[irishgrl]

I do so love repeating: Depending on how it's used. Yes. It does.

Hemingway labored intensely over most of what he wrote, and his diction, which was occasionally crude and always simplistic, was always very deliberate and very thought-out.
IF he was trying to capture a particular "voice" (as was Shakespeare and Joyce)
then, no it didnt. it doesnt require any thought to mimic the language of the streets, its always going to be the basest form imaginable. As you go up the cultural ladder, IMO you will find a more diverse vocabulary. Again, this is what I believe. you may or may not agree, but it doesnt make me wrong or you right.

[irishgrl]

It's not, unless it's in a sentence where it's separated from it's antecedent. Otherwise it's simply a participial phrase.





Well right, clearly, what is meant is that John bent down and smelled the roses, but grammatically the sentence is still incorrect. One of the reasons dangling participles become such a common error is because we correct them for ourselves like that in our heads. It's obvious that the phrase "Bending down to smell the roses" is meant to apply to John, if that's made ambiguous by the sentence.



A dangling particple usually doesn't make a sentence totally unreadable, no, but it does add an unnecessary level of ambiguity and can often be clumsy, so it really should be avoided in serious or professional writing.
my point was, in your example the subject and object werent that far apart :shrug: so, maybe it wasnt that good an example?
I grant you, we probably DO correct much of this in our heads but that example seemed pretty harmless to me at least...

[DavidMn]

You know, I always believe that as long as they're talking about you, it cant be all bad. So am I like the Saddam Hussein of this place now? :lol:

[BTFLCHLD]

You know, I always believe that as long as they're talking about you, it cant be all bad. So am I like the Saddam Hussein of this place now? :lol: unless youve suddenly enrolled in eng101... :D wonder what this means...bend me over a poptart?

[DavidMn]

unless youve suddenly enrolled in eng101... :D wonder what this means...bend me over a poptart?Jeez Niki, can u believe all this? pretty funny isnt it?:laugh:

[BTFLCHLD]

Jeez Niki, can u believe all this? pretty funny isnt it?:laugh: yes but when it comes down to it...its just another thread you started :lol: huggggs for my bud david :xoxo:

[DavidMn]

yes but when it comes down to it...its just another thread you started :lol: huggggs for my bud david :xoxo:Like I said, bad pub is better than no pub at all right? Right back at ya.:xoxo:

[irishgrl]

Jeez Niki, can u believe all this? pretty funny isnt it?:laugh:
David, watchoo talking about!!!!

[DavidMn]

David, watchoo talking about!!!!Hey, I just take it all in stride, you know? I mean Homer didnt threaten my life exactly did he?

[BTFLCHLD]

Like I said, bad pub is better than no pub at all right? Right back at ya.:xoxo: i shant stay away ever again...
ive to see every thread before the big delete :]










post-it [sigh] every day/night that goes by imy more lindsey

[DavidMn]

i shant stay away ever again...
ive to see every thread before the big delete :]










post-it [sigh] every day/night that goes by imy more lindsey So how has your day been hun? stressed? I'm off after working 8 days in a row.

[Jyqm]

my point was, in your example the subject and object werent that far apart :shrug: so, maybe it wasnt that good an example?

Well, by "far apart" apart I meant "with another possible antecedent in between them creating ambiguity," that being the bee. A participial phrase and its antecedent should be as close together as possible, without any other nouns getting in between them.

[irishgrl]

Like I said, bad pub is better than no pub at all right? Right back at ya.:xoxo:
you might have started this thread, my good man, but its been hijacked long ago!

dont fret! it happens to the best of us...(read: it happens to ALL of us) its a weird phenomenon that occurs when the weather is on the turn and the white sea snaps at the heels of a soft prayer........whispered.....

[BTFLCHLD]

So how has your day been hun? stressed? I'm off after working 8 days in a row. crunch time right now...
meeting deadlines...
other than that very well, ty :wavey:
cant wait for the 2-wk holiday in 10 days :nod:

[DavidMn]

crunch time right now...
meeting deadlines...
other than that very well, ty :wavey:
cant wait for the 2-wk holiday in 10 days :nod:Nice!! does that mean you get Xmas and New Years off?

[BTFLCHLD]

Nice!! does that mean you get Xmas and New Years off? yes...im glad youve finally a day off...
whats your work sched for holiday, or do you know?

[irishgrl]

Well, by "far apart" apart I meant "with another possible antecedent in between them creating ambiguity," that being the bee. A participial phrase and its antecedent should be as close together as possible, without any other nouns getting in between them.
I believe its spelled "participal".....sorry, random act of proofreading again....

as for the bee, um........I need to re-read.......

edit:
ok, I went back and grabbed your phrase:
"John walked through the garden. Bending down to smell the roses, a bee stung him." Grammatically, that second sentence means that the bee was the one bending down to smell the roses.
where exactly is the ambiguity? the "bee" is the last part of the sentence. the "actor" is indicated by the previous sentence and the action is inbetween. so, again: is this a good example?

[sara1998]

A smart a$$ yes - but not a dumba$$ :xoxo: :xoxo: :angel:

I suspect the reply will be about the color of pots and kettels :cool:
Listen here, you (*^*@!#.... I heard about enough of your *&@*. If I wanted you (&^*^@!* opinion, I would have (*&()^% asked for it!!!
POT-KETTLE-*&^@!%BLACK!

OK, continue thread-jacking!

[irishgrl]

Hey, I just take it all in stride, you know? I mean Homer didnt threaten my life exactly did he?
no he didnt. and your willingness to go beyond THAT whole issue shows how brilliant you really are. That being said, your thread has still been hijacked.
and, I didnt start it, but at this point it is most certainly my fault :rolleyes:

[Jyqm]

IF he was trying to capture a particular "voice" (as was Shakespeare and Joyce)
then, no it didnt. it doesnt require any thought to mimic the language of the streets

So let me get this straight:

1) You think that all Shakespeare and Joyce were attempting to do when they used crude language in their work was to "mimic" street language.

2) You think that writing in simplistic or crude language requires no thought or effort.

I'm sorry, but yes, this is an issue of you being right or wrong, and you're wrong, on both counts. I don't know what Joyce or Hemingway you've read, but for you to claim that their use of simple and/or crude language didn't require any effort or thought is simply laughable. These are two men who spent years writing and editing what they wrote, and who put immense thought and effort into their choice of words, whether the word was "****breeches" or "contransmagnificandjewbangtantiality."

[Jyqm]

I believe its spelled "participal"

No, the adjective is "participial": http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=participial

And the noun is "participle": http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=participle

[DavidMn]

no he didnt. and your willingness to go beyond THAT whole issue shows how brilliant you really are. That being said, your thread has still been hijacked.
and, I didnt start it, but at this point it is most certainly my fault :rolleyes:oh man, dont give me that much credit... but thank you anyway:nod: :lol:

[ReFleetwoodMac]

a fanny pack is a "vagina pack?" fanny = vagina in your neck of the woods?
hoo boy!
You wear your fanny packs on your fanny? Perhaps you should read the instructions more carefully.