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[dissention]

:rolleyes: I was just stating the obvious - or so I thought. Maybe its poll time? I'm kidding and ready to drop it. But you will have the last word.

Andy is love. Look into his eyes and all will be well. I promise you that.

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[amber]

:rolleyes: I was just stating the obvious - or so I thought. Maybe its poll time? I'm kidding and ready to drop it. But you will have the last word.
:rolleyes:
I just said I understand, didn't I? I just said it's logical now, didn't I? Didn't I? Didn't I?
:rolleyes: right back atcha. and I wouldn't have said anything else if you didn't just have to get that tiny dig in there about me having the last word. But now? yes, of course I want a word after that. :)
Good Day, Suze.

[dissention]

oh yes, in high school, we signed our notes, LAKS (Love and Kinky Stuff) - so 80's!

I think that is going to replace "C-ya" on my notes from now on.

[DavidMn]

Andy is love. Look into his eyes and all will be well. I promise you that.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/dissention_1/anderson_cooper2.gifI love that picture.:nod:

[BTFLCHLD]

Look into his eyes and all will be well. I promise you that.
did you see him co-host with rippa the other day?
he interviewed steve martin - the resemblence was uncanny :nod:

[DavidMn]

did you see him co-host with rippa the other day?
he interviewed steve martin - the resemblence was uncanny :nod:I would think Mr Martin would have a much larger nose.

[SuzeQuze]

:rolleyes:
I just said I understand, didn't I? I just said it's logical now, didn't I? Didn't I? Didn't I?
:rolleyes: right back atcha. and I wouldn't have said anything else if you didn't just have to get that tiny dig in there about me having the last word. But now? yes, of course I want a word after that. :)
Good Day, Suze.

I sent that before I got your PM. Good day!

[BTFLCHLD]

I would think Mr Martin would have a much larger nose. perhaps but they themselves remarked of it...
doing side by side shots etc...it was quite amusing...

[SuzeQuze]

I love that picture.:nod:

I love it too. Diss, you better be careful spreading that around lest people begin believing he is the second coming. :lol:

[DavidMn]

perhaps but they themselves remarked of it...
doing side by side shots etc...it was quite amusing...Oh really? sorry I misssed it.

[ragandbone]

Andy is love. Look into his eyes and all will be well. I promise you that.

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I am not as cute as he is, but I totally make^ that sideways mouth face, or maybe it is a chewing the cheek face, I don't know.

The twinkle in his eyes is dangerous!

[BTFLCHLD]

Oh really? sorry I misssed it.
ripa is annoying as hell...not a show i watch while getting ready for work...
but i was flipping for news...and there he was :cool:

[dissention]

did you see him co-host with rippa the other day?
he interviewed steve martin - the resemblence was uncanny :nod:

Yes, he had to interview that twig Nicole Richie. I loved it. And he got flustered when Ripa called him sexy and he dropped his index cards. Cuuuuuute.

[DavidMn]

ripa is annoying as hell...not a show i watch while getting ready for work...
but i was flipping for news...and there he was :cool:Yes, she is highly annoying, I agree.

[BTFLCHLD]

Yes, he had to interview that twig Nicole Richie. I loved it. And he got flustered when Ripa called him sexy and he dropped his index cards. Cuuuuuute. notice the rexi was never discussed?
ripa and richie..team of two rexis

[DavidMn]

notice the rexi was never discussed?
ripa and richie..team of two rexisClueless here. WHats a Rexi?

[dissention]

I love it too. Diss, you better be careful spreading that around lest people begin believing he is the second coming. :lol:

That's impossible. He is God. Silly girl.

notice the rexi was never discussed?
ripa and richie..team of two rexis

The two of them combined & soaking wet weigh as much as Kirstie Alley's right arm. It's quite alarming.

[DavidMn]

That's impossible. He is God. Silly girl.



The two of them combined & soaking wet weigh as much as Kirstie Alley's right arm. It's quite alarming.Kirstie Alley's right arm?!?:lol: :lol: I really am going to have to start paying you for this material.:lol: :lol:

[BTFLCHLD]

I thought Kelly's boobs alone weighed as much as the rest of her body...:confused: shes on the verge of concave...gross :nod:

[DavidMn]

shes on the verge of concave...gross :nod:EWWW FER NASTY:lol:

[sparky]

I just look at all those who are very well liked and realize I can't stand most of them...

I tried and I can't think of who might be considered "well liked".

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I tried and I can't think of who might be considered "well liked".

Ehh...its a thing. I'm not sharing....that would be rude! :laugh: :p

[sparky]

We'll have to get one of those heart necklaces that is broken in two pieces and we can both wear a piece around our necks forever and ever OKAY!?!!?!? :laugh:

OMG I totally had one of those in high school. I gave one half to my football player buddy in senior year and he carried it in his back pocket. Thanks for the reminder. I hadn't thought of it in 20 YEARS ! :lol:

[BTFLCHLD]

Oh, sorry, I thought she had big boobs. I accidentally caught a commercial for "Hope and Faith" before I could change the channel, and they seemed big. I must have imagined it. her boobs may have been large in the past
however they are mere beestings
@ the moment based on her weight

[Serrart]

It doesn't much matter, because the point is the same. People bitching about the "popular" people, what supposedly makes them so, and other people screaming that their intentions regarding certain things weren't motivated by "popularity." It's silliness. This is a message board, for christ's sake.

And you're saying this with one of your favourite popular people in your sig writing on a message board dedicated to a popular band. I think it's instinctive for everyone to try to get out of anonimity even only to become a 1 second famous on a tiny web reflection of our microuniverse.

Romy

[estranged4life]

Andy is love. Look into his eyes and all will be well. I promise you that.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/dissention_1/anderson_cooper2.gif

Made me want to rip his head off and **** down his neck.

[Johnny Stew]

Your honor... I would like for the record to show that I haven't even been around for 14 pages and an argument still broke out. ;)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Your honor... I would like for the record to show that I haven't even been around for 14 pages and an argument still broke out. ;)

...I was around though, and I think I might have caused it maybe.
I SWEAR I DIDNT MEAN TO....this time. :D

[gldstwmn]

Andy is love. Look into his eyes and all will be well. I promise you that.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c81/dissention_1/anderson_cooper2.gif

I feel calmer already. :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

OMG I totally had one of those in high school. I gave one half to my football player buddy in senior year and he carried it in his back pocket. Thanks for the reminder. I hadn't thought of it in 20 YEARS ! :lol:This story intrigues me actually.
Do you mind if I ask if the two of you had a sexual/romantic relationship, or was it purely platonic?

I ask, because in high school I was CONVINCED that they didn't come any straighter than the guys on the football team, but found out about three years ago, that a few of the football players in my class used to get their jollies with a guy who was a couple grades below us.
Apparently he was happily at their beck and call... and was called quite a lot!

Through him, I found out some tidbits about the turn-ons and talents of a few of my former classmates that I NEVER would have guessed! :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

...I was around though, and I think I might have caused it maybe.
I SWEAR I DIDNT MEAN TO....this time. :DDude, you're the root of all evil.

EEE-vil, I tells ya!

[Johnny Stew]

I feel calmer already. :laugh:Someone mentioned there being a twinkle in his eyes, and there really is.
Like he knows something he's just dying to tell you... or show you.

I bet he's great in the sack. :angel:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Dude, you're the root of all evil.

EEE-vil, I tells ya!

I'm trying to cut back, though...:nod:

[Johnny Stew]

I'm trying to cut back, though...:nod:Did ya get the patch? ;)

[ontheEdgeof17]

Did ya get the patch? ;)


Gawww...This thread was anti-corny. Until now...

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Did ya get the patch? ;)

ha...and WHAT patch would that be now? :D

[Johnny Stew]

Gawww...This thread was anti-corny. Until now...But corn always goes great with Goulash, Curtie!

[ontheEdgeof17]

But corn always goes great with Goulash, Curtie!

Total random:

How close are you to the airport?

[Johnny Stew]

ha...and WHAT patch would that be now? :DI was gonna make another cigarette smoking pun, but Curtie hurt my widdle feelings, that big, blue meanie. :(

[SuzeQuze]

Someone mentioned there being a twinkle in his eyes, and there really is.
Like he knows something he's just dying to tell you... or show you.

I bet he's great in the sack. :angel:

Did you see him tonite? "I like the naughty chair." :lol: His co-host was showing him the "naughty chair" she uses to put her child in timeout. She was explaining that the child has to really dislike the chair though for it to work. That's when he said, "I like the naughty chair." Oh it was too much! :]

[Johnny Stew]

Total random:

How close are you to the airport?Hmm, don't ask me exact mileage, because I'm a dunce when it comes to that stuff... but we're about 25-30 minutes away.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I was gonna make another cigarette smoking pun, but Curtie hurt my widdle feelings, that big, blue meanie. :(

Ignore him...I have made a habit out of it! :nod:

And HOW DID YOU KNOW I smoked...

BRIAN are you out there...have you been blabbing.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Hmm, don't ask me exact mileage, because I'm a dunce when it comes to that stuff... but we're about 25-30 minutes away.

Wow. We live closer than I thought.

[Johnny Stew]

Did you see him tonite? "I like the naughty chair." :lol: His co-host was showing him the "naughty chair" she uses to put her child in timeout. She was explaining that the child has to really dislike the chair though for it to work. That's when he said, "I like the naughty chair." Oh it was too much! :]Aw, damnit, I wish I had!
That had to have been priceless (and kinda sexy)!

Was it in the first hour?

[Johnny Stew]

Ignore him...I have made a habit out of it! :nod:No can do, babycakes... I adore my Curtie. :nod:

And HOW DID YOU KNOW I smoked...

BRIAN are you out there...have you been blabbing.I am all knowing and all seeing. Kinda like the Trash Heap on Fraggle Rock. :laugh:

[SuzeQuze]

Aw, damnit, I wish I had!
That had to have been priceless (and kinda sexy)!

Was it in the first hour?

Yeah, it was at about 10:45. Somewhere between 10:30 and 10:45ish. After he said it he sort of smirked and then said, "I'm not ready for kids." Yes, it was priceless.

[Johnny Stew]

Wow. We live closer than I thought.Funny you should mention that... because I was just moving some things on my bookcase today, and came across your Chris Isaak/Stevie On SNL tape again. ;)

[sparky]

This story intrigues me actually.
Do you mind if I ask if the two of you had a sexual/romantic relationship, or was it purely platonic?

It was all of the above. Platonic at first. More romantic than sexual for a lot of the time, but we got to that. It was pretty intense. There were a number of situations like this, but he was the kicker. Made my senior year quite memorable. Because of him, it wasn't easy to graduate at all. I felt like I was getting my arm cut off when we ended school. Never saw him again. :(

But I still have that cheesy little heart thing.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

No can do, babycakes... I adore my Curtie. :nod:

That seems to be the general consensus around the ledge...I have to say I'm SHOCKED! :rolleyes:

I am all knowing and all seeing. Kinda like the Trash Heap on Fraggle Rock. :laugh:

You are just too good....First the gay thing, now the smoking thing.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Funny you should mention that... because I was just moving some things on my bookcase today, and came across your Chris Isaak/Stevie On SNL tape again. ;)

:eek:

We need to do lunch.


I need that tape.

[dissention]

I feel calmer already. :laugh:

:D :D :D

360 is better than ever since the time switch. I hope you've been catching it.

[Johnny Stew]

Yeah, it was at about 10:45. Somewhere between 10:30 and 10:45ish. After he said it he sort of smirked and then said, "I'm not ready for kids." Yes, it was priceless.:laugh:
That IS priceless.

"Not ready for kids." :laugh:
Oh, Andy, you're a star.

[macfanken]

That seems to be the general consensus around the ledge...I have to say I'm SHOCKED! :rolleyes:



You are just too good....First the gay thing, now the smoking thing.


No offense to Johnny Stew, but the gay thing wasn't a shock. :rolleyes:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

No offense to Johnny Stew, but the gay thing wasn't a shock. :rolleyes:

so everyone says...

[dissention]

Did you see him tonite? "I like the naughty chair." :lol: His co-host was showing him the "naughty chair" she uses to put her child in timeout. She was explaining that the child has to really dislike the chair though for it to work. That's when he said, "I like the naughty chair." Oh it was too much! :]

Did you see him last night with the "aura" lady? I was rolling on the floor when she showed "Anderson's Aura" and he's giving her looks like 'Lay off the crack, bitch.' And then he had Kim Cattrall on to talk about sex (again, because that's all he talks about lately). The two of them together was too much for me, my heart was beating at an unnatural rate. And I giggled like a baby when he said "penis" and talked about spankings. So hot.

[GateandGarden]

That seems to be the general consensus around the ledge...I have to say I'm SHOCKED! :rolleyes: I don't know if you're being sarcastic or what...but Curtis is a really great guy. I've never met him but I've interacted with him longer than I have with the vast majority of others here. He was one of the first people I met when I joined the whole online community. I can't really understand these comments you're making about him.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or what...but Curtis is a really great guy. I've never met him but I've interacted with him longer than I have with the vast majority of others here. He was one of the first people I met when I joined the whole online community. I can't really understand these comments you're making about him.

Dont' worry about Hil.

I <3 you though! :xoxo: :D

[dissention]

But I still have that cheesy little heart thing.

I know I told you last night that you're adorable, but you really are. :laugh:

[SuzeQuze]

Did you see him last night with the "aura" lady? I was rolling on the floor when she showed "Anderson's Aura" and he's giving her looks like 'Lay off the crack, bitch.' And then he had Kim Cattrall on to talk about sex (again, because that's all he talks about lately). The two of them together was too much for me, my heart was beating at an unnatural rate. And I giggled like a baby when he said "penis" and talked about spankings. So hot.

:eek: No, I missed last nite. He and Kim would melt my TV! Spankings? :shocked: :D

[Johnny Stew]

It was all of the above. Platonic at first. More romantic than sexual for a lot of the time, but we got to that. It was pretty intense. There were a number of situations like this, but he was the kicker. Made my senior year quite memorable. Because of him, it wasn't easy to graduate at all. I felt like I was getting my arm cut off when we ended school. Never saw him again. :(

But I still have that cheesy little heart thing.Wow, that's pretty amazing really.
Were you out to him before the romantic/sexual side of the relationship began, or did that aspect of the relationship sort of just happen?

It blew my mind to hear about some of these guys I'd gone to school with. I never would have guessed. And I had had a crush on the one, so it annoyed me to find out 12 years too late that I actually might have had a chance! :laugh:

It's sweet that you've held onto the heart.

[dissention]

I am all knowing and all seeing.

"Omniscient" is more succint and to the point. Plus, I just love that word.

[ontheEdgeof17]

But I still have that cheesy little heart thing.


That is so adorable! :xoxo:

(I bet he still has the heart, too)

[Johnny Stew]

:eek:

We need to do lunch.


I need that tape.:laugh:
"Hi, Brian, nice to meet you... now where's my tape?"

It would be fun to get together... but you're going to have to try REALLY hard to keep your hands off of me!
I mean, I know it's going to be tough and all, but you'll just have to be strong. ;)

[ontheEdgeof17]

:laugh:
"Hi, Brian, nice to meet you... now where's my tape?"

It would be fun to get together... but you're going to have to try REALLY hard to keep your hands off of me!
I mean, I know it's going to be tough and all, but you'll just have to be strong. ;)

I wouldn't walk out of an Olive Garden without finishing my meal first! ;)

[dissention]

:eek: No, I missed last nite. He and Kim would melt my TV!

My telly was seriously smoking. They would make beautiful babies. :laugh:

Spankings? :shocked: :D

All I could think was 'Oh, you read my mind.'

[Johnny Stew]

That seems to be the general consensus around the ledge...I have to say I'm SHOCKED! :rolleyes:We all have personality clashes with various folks from time to time. That doesn't stop them, or us, from being good people.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

We all have personality clashes with various folks from time to time. That doesn't stop them, or us, from being good people.

But I never said I was a good person. :D :laugh:

[macfanken]

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or what...but Curtis is a really great guy. I've never met him but I've interacted with him longer than I have with the vast majority of others here. He was one of the first people I met when I joined the whole online community. I can't really understand these comments you're making about him.


I've met him... he IS a great guy. :)

[Johnny Stew]

No offense to Johnny Stew, but the gay thing wasn't a shock. :rolleyes::laugh:

No offense to Brandon, but it was kind of like shooting fish in a barrel. :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

I wouldn't walk out of an Olive Garden without finishing my meal first! ;)That one really did make me laugh out loud. :laugh:

Just don't order the Italian Sausage... I might faint! ;)

[Johnny Stew]

"Omniscient" is more succint and to the point. Plus, I just love that word.Ah-HA! So you're the one who stole my thesaurus! :p :laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

:laugh:

No offense to Brandon, but it was kind of like shooting fish in a barrel. :laugh:

HEY COME ON NOW! I wasn't THAT obvious. :laugh:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Just don't order the Italian Sausage... I might faint! ;)

Naw. I wouldn't tease you THAT much.

[Johnny Stew]

HEY COME ON NOW! I wasn't THAT obvious. :laugh:I'm not one to buy into stereotypes... but most straight guys (especially those in their early 20s) aren't into Judy Garland, Priscilla Presley and the 'Golden Girls.' You were pinging my Gaydar like nobody's business! :laugh:

I think that's why it wasn't such a surprise for me, when you came out... or too big of a leap to figure out that you were trying to come to terms with a few things here and there and were acting out a bit.

[Johnny Stew]

Naw. I wouldn't tease you THAT much.Not even if I begged? ;)

[ontheEdgeof17]

Not even if I begged? ;)

You know you are not even 2 hours away from me?

[macfanken]

Not even if I begged? ;)


This thread is getting gross. :shocked:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

This thread is getting gross. :shocked:

HA!

I noticed that about 4 pages ago...

[Johnny Stew]

You know you are not even 2 hours away from me?Well, start driving now and.... ;)

(It's a damn good thing Joshua has a good sense of humour about my flirtatious side! :laugh: )

[gldstwmn]

:D :D :D

360 is better than ever since the time switch. I hope you've been catching it.

I do get to see it more often but I didn't get to see it tonight. I think it's on again after Larry King, though.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Well, start driving now and.... ;)

(It's a damn good thing Joshua has a good sense of humour about my flirtatious side! :laugh: )

But seriously....I want that tape.

[Richard B]

"Omniscient" is more succint and to the point. Plus, I just love that word.
It is a great word. Shame you mis-spelled my other favorite word: succinct. Which by the way is used incorrectly. "to the point" basically means succinct. Why say it twice?

Diss will now put me on ignore. I'm certain of it.

[dissention]

I do get to see it more often but I didn't get to see it tonight. I think it's on again after Larry King, though.

He had John Edwards on last week and it was really fab. It made me light up; very nice to see John Edwards with all of this depressing **** going on. And last Tuesday Maureen Dowd was on and it was just the greatest thing ever.

[sparky]

Wow, that's pretty amazing really.
Were you out to him before the romantic/sexual side of the relationship began, or did that aspect of the relationship sort of just happen?

Hm. There was no real 'out' thing going on. I was out to a number of my friends, but I still had a girlfriend, mostly for show. So did he. A lot of it was non-verbal. One thing lead to another. And then it was just something that unfolded and took off. There was no talk about it. I was certain if we said anything that would have killed it.
The most I ever said to him about it was when I tossed him that little piece of the heart at the end of a particularly serious night. Then about 2 days before graduation, he walked up to me behind this one building where we always used to meet. I was sitting by myself looking at my own piece of the same heart, which I always had on. I had taken it off and was staring at it and was of course thinking about what the hell I was going to do in two days. I was kind of upset and mad at him - for what I don't know. Probably because I knew it was over. That part of our lives was simply going to be over and there was nothing anyone could do about it. He asked me what I was doing and I remember just shaking my head and refusing to say anything. He saw what I was doing. All I could do was to ask him if he still had it. He knew what I meant. He produced it in a flash and said he had been carrying it with him since the night I gave it to him. I can still see what it looked like and how it caught the light. I reached out and touched it and touched his hand, and I swear to God at that second someone walked around the building and yelled our names. I don't remember who it was. But I do remember feeling like I was caught. We both pulled back our hands and stepped away from each other and everything changed. What happened next ? I have no idea. Don't know. Can't recall. I just know something broke that second. And that I sat against the wall alone until it was very late and very dark and then I walked home by myself.

Damn. Hadn't thought of that in a long time. I forgot all about that day.
And I probably better stop thinking about it.

[macfanken]

HA!

I noticed that about 4 pages ago...


It's not the sex innuendo that bothers me... it's talking about the Olive Garden... it makes me want to puke.

[dissention]

It is a great word. Shame you mis-spelled my other favorite word: succinct.

Oy. Between my missing the other C and using "they're" instead of "their" earlier, I must be losing it. I curse you for pointing that out.

Which by the way is used incorrectly. "to the point" basically means succinct. Why say it twice?

I wanted to hammer the point home.

Diss will now put me on ignore. I'm certain of it.

You can bet your ass. I have no use for the likes of you any longer. Take that missing C and shove it.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

It's not the sex innuendo that bothers me... it's talking about the Olive Garden... it makes me want to puke.

Well I KNOW it ain't the sex talk making you sick...:lol:

but none of them were what was making me sick...scroll back through the last few pages and you can pretty much guess.

[Johnny Stew]

But seriously....I want that tape.Well, you won't be the first young, cute guy to use an old guy to get what he wants! :laugh:

[sparky]

"Omniscient" is more succint and to the point. Plus, I just love that word.

I sensed the presence of an omniscient, ubiquitous monotreme.

That is a whole lot of my favorite words rolled into one sentence.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Well, you won't be the first young, cute guy to use an old guy to get what he wants! :laugh:

Please. I'm asexual.

[Richard B]

Oy. Between my missing the other C and using "they're" instead of "their" earlier, I must be losing it. I curse you for pointing that out.

I feel your curse. I think I like it.

I wanted to hammer the point home.

That you did.

You can bet your ass. I have no use for the likes of you any longer. Take that missing C and shove it.

But I adore you and I don't even really know you. Have mercy on a poor boy like me.

[Johnny Stew]

A lot of it was non-verbal. One thing lead to another. And then it was just something that unfolded and took off. There was no talk about it. I was certain if we said anything that would have killed it.That definitely makes a lot of sense. Sometimes, at that age especially, talking about it, ruins it. You just have to go with it and try not to put too many demands or expectations on it.

Damn. Hadn't thought of that in a long time. I forgot all about that day.
And I probably better stop thinking about it.Thanks for answering my questions... and I hope I didn't stir up too much sadness or painful memories by asking.

I'd bet that he's wondered about you, too, though, and most likely still has his piece of that heart.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Damn. Hadn't thought of that in a long time. I forgot all about that day.
And I probably better stop thinking about it.


If it's not too too painful, you should try classmates.com...just to see if he has posted any of his information there.....just so you can have closure :shrug:

[Johnny Stew]

Please. I'm asexual.Yaye, I'm a-sexual, too!

Oh, wait... you weren't saying that with an Italian accent, were you? ;)

[GateandGarden]

I'm not one to buy into stereotypes... but most straight guys (especially those in their early 20s) aren't into Judy Garland, Priscilla Presley and the 'Golden Girls.' You were pinging my Gaydar like nobody's business! :laugh:

I think that's why it wasn't such a surprise for me, when you came out... or too big of a leap to figure out that you were trying to come to terms with a few things here and there and were acting out a bit.I knew it was coming one day...but I didn't think it would be so soon. I figured it was going to be years from now and none of us would know about it, most likely. But those were just my predictions.

[Johnny Stew]

If it's not too too painful, you should try classmates.com...just to see if he has posted any of his information there.....just so you can have closure :shrug:Or I was thinking maybe ask someone from high school that sparky might still be in touch with, who might know where that fellow is these days.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I knew it was coming one day...but I didn't think it would be so soon. I figured it was going to be years from now and none of us would know about it, most likely. But those were just my predictions.

I just couldn't hold it back anymore! :lol: :woohoo:

[markolas]

If it's not too too painful, you should try classmates.com...just to see if he has posted any of his information there.....just so you can have closure :shrug:

I dunno...there was this guy I had a crush on in high school that I just knew was gay. I found him through that website, and while he is in fact gay, he turned out to be kind of a weirdo. So, sometimes it can be best to let sleeping dogs lie. :nod:

[GateandGarden]

I just couldn't hold it back anymore! :lol: :woohoo:When you were making those extremely homophobic comments, were you thinking the whole time that you might be gay? Was it crossing your mind at the time?

[Richard B]

I knew it was coming one day...but I didn't think it would be so soon. I figured it was going to be years from now and none of us would know about it, most likely. But those were just my predictions.
I agree. Ya know, everybody finds out.

Seriously...he had it so bad for Dissention. Like a cat in heat that Brandon was at the time.

I actually smiled when I first read his post. Is he the first to "come out" via The Ledge? So cute.

[dissention]

I sensed the presence of an omniscient, ubiquitous monotreme.

I shall be an echidna and you shall be a platypus.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Is he the first to "come out" via The Ledge? So cute.


That was Ryan.


We knew he had man crushes, but one day he spilt the beans and that was the end of it.

[GateandGarden]

I actually smiled when I first read his post. Is he the first to "come out" via The Ledge? So cute.Ryan did. And there was someone else, too, though I'm not sure if he'd appreciate me pointing it out right now.

[sparky]

If it's not too too painful, you should try classmates.com...just to see if he has posted any of his information there.....just so you can have closure :shrug:

Ah, one more chip off an already broken heart, Stevie.:shrug:

He joined the navy and never got married. Lives in Europe. Skipped the 20 year reunion. I found his email address on the reunion site, but don't need to pursue it. Honestly, I hadn't even thought of any of that in so long...it's like it was another lifetime. Like it happened to someone else.
I'm just gonna shut up now. It started out as a random anecdote about an old piece if high school jewelry and now I spat up some steaming guts. Humiliating.:lol:

Perhaps I should write a script.

[sparky]

I shall be an echidna and you shall be a platypus.

How much do I love you for knowing that ?

It's all about the Cloaca, baby.

[Richard B]

That was Ryan.


We knew he had man crushes, but one day he spilt the beans and that was the end of it.
Shoot. I can't picture Ryan. What's his Ledge name?

Regardless, very cool. Nice to know that people feel that comfortable here.

[GateandGarden]

That was Ryan.


We knew he had man crushes, but one day he spilt the beans and that was the end of it.The person I was referencing in my last post (all vaguely) came out before Ryan. Wait, I think he did...:confused: Oh well.

[dissention]

I feel your curse. I think I like it.

I need to put better curses on people.

That you did.

Of course I did.

But I adore you and I don't even really know you. Have mercy on a poor boy like me.

I adore you just as much, but I can't have you pointing out my (rare) spelling errors like that. It isn't right.

[Richard B]

How much do I love you for knowing that ?

It's all about the Cloaca, baby.
Both of you have given me HUGE smiles on your sentences.
Grammar is sexy!

[Johnny Stew]

I'm just gonna shut up now. It started out as a random anecdote about an old piece if high school jewelry and now I spat up some steaming guts. Humiliating.:lol:It wasn't humiliating at all, Sparky... I really enjoyed hearing the story, and I appreciate you sharing it with us.

High school was a VERY different experience for me, and I can't even imagine being able to have a relationship with another guy back then. So it was cool to hear a different type of high school experience, even if the story is bittersweet.

[dissention]

How much do I love you for knowing that ?

More than life itself?

It's all about the Cloaca, baby.

One hole. For all of those duties. Just vile.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Regardless, very cool. Nice to know that people feel that comfortable here.


I think The Ledge is everyone's guilty pleasure. No one calls it by it's name in public....

"Oh, I'm meeting some people I know from :insert city:"

"How do you know them?"

"Oh....they are just in the Stevie circle....I know them from here and there."

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I agree. Ya know, everybody finds out.

Seriously...he had it so bad for Dissention. Like a cat in heat that Brandon was at the time.

.

I have SO moved on! :lol:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

When you were making those extremely homophobic comments, were you thinking the whole time that you might be gay? Was it crossing your mind at the time?

Honey...there comes a time when we must move on! :)

Over and done...means...over and done!

[Richard B]

I think The Ledge is everyone's guilty pleasure. No one calls it by it's name in public....

"Oh, I'm meeting some people I know from :insert city:"

"How do you know them?"

"Oh....they are just in the Stevie circle....I know them from here and there."
For sure. I get so much coming here...that even sometimes I giggle about something posted here hours after I've been offline.

My friends are always curious...but they would never understand. So it's my big secret about The Ledge. I like it that way.

In honor of your sig...we're the "one's who sing at night..."

[macfanken]

I think The Ledge is everyone's guilty pleasure. No one calls it by it's name in public....

"Oh, I'm meeting some people I know from :insert city:"

"How do you know them?"

"Oh....they are just in the Stevie circle....I know them from here and there."


True. I never explain the Ledge... I just say I have friends all over the country... and a few in other countries.

[Richard B]

I have SO moved on! :lol:
Hehehe...you guys did it already, didn't ya?

[dissention]

Hehehe...you guys did it already, didn't ya?

God'll get you for that, Walter.

[Richard B]

God'll get you for that, Walter.
Ahhhhh!! You really are funny and quick witted. How did you know I love Maude??

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I wasn't trying to harp relentlessly--I just wanted to ask what I thought were decent enough questions.

Frankly I still haven't gotten past the twenty years I spent as a repressed homosexual. I still haven't figured out how to forgive myself. I'm not saying everyone goes through something where they feel guilt and shame over it but that's my experience. For me, it's not just "over and done." One day it will be, hopefully, but so soon, I'm thinking.

awww I'm sorry...I had no idea about any of this Hillary. SORRY!

[ontheEdgeof17]

Frankly I still haven't gotten past the twenty years I spent as a repressed homosexual. I still haven't figured out how to forgive myself. I'm not saying everyone goes through something where they feel guilt and shame over it but that's my experience. For me, it's not just "over and done." One day it will be, hopefully, but so soon, I'm thinking.


That's nothing to beat yourself up over. For you, it took 20 years to realize who you were....nothing shameful about that...some still don't know who they are....and end up in a lifestyle that's not their own and live a lie for their entire existance on earth....that's something to be ashamed about. Why live a life not worth living? You found out early....you know who you are. You didn't discover yourself when it was too late. :xoxo:

BTW....Don't ever be someone in public or around family that you are not. Always be the Hillary you want to be. If not, I will kick your ass. You've been through turmoil to became the lady that you want to be. Don't change that for anyone....or I will kick your ass if you do. :)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Hehehe...you guys did it already, didn't ya?

LIKE, NO!:lol:

two bottoms...hmmmm...no way.

(Sorry Josh...just messing)

[dissention]

Ahhhhh!! You really are funny and quick witted. How did you know I love Maude??

Who doesn't like Maude??!! And it's coming to DVD in January! Let's all do a jig!

[GateandGarden]

awww I'm sorry...I had no idea about any of this Hillary. SORRY!It's okay. You don't have to apologize for anything. I was just really wondering what your answers were to those questions but if you don't want to talk about it then I understand that.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

"Oh....they are just in the Stevie circle....I know them from here and there."

HA! yea right

Or the FM circle!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

It's okay. You don't have to apologize for anything. I was just really wondering what your answers were to those questions but if you don't want to talk about it then I understand that.

Ohh sorry...let me answer you.

When I was on my liberal crusade...yes I knew I was gay...I guess one always knows. I just wasn't being honest with myself.

[estranged4life]

Yaye, I'm a-sexual, too!

you were a librarian?? Hehehehe!!!

[Richard B]

Who doesn't like Maude??!! And it's coming to DVD in January! Let's all do a jig!
That's great news! Jigging here about it. I'm a huge fan of Norman Lear TV shows. Hilarious stuff...funny growing up and watching Good Times and being able to relate really, really well to this struggling black family. I had no idea why until years later I found out the show (at least the first 3 seasons) were written by 2 white, Jewish guys. Then it made sense why I was glued to the show and humor.

I like Florida Evans as maude's maid, but really liked Mrs. Naugutuck.

[GateandGarden]

Ohh sorry...let me answer you.

When I was on my liberal crusade...yes I knew I was gay...I guess one always knows. I just wasn't being honest with myself.I know that feeling well. :distress:

[dissention]

I want to put CNN's Rick Sanchez on ignore. Little Ricky needs to learn how to use his indoor voice.

[Richard B]

Thank you so much, Curtis. You make me tear up...in a good way. :)
Curtis wrote some very sweet and true words to you. I was touched too.

Be good to yourself, Hilary.

[ontheEdgeof17]

So please don't kick my ass. I'm pretty sure you're a hell of a lot stronger than me. :laugh:


Have you seen my arms? They are twigs! :p

....and I don't talk about so-called "gay things" at work. It's a professional environment. A few know I'm gay, and there's a few homophobes. But I'm still myself...happy-go-lucky. Actually there are a few nurses who have a crush on me. I mean, how can they not know?!?! :lol:

[dissention]

That's great news! Jigging here about it. I'm a huge fan of Norman Lear TV shows. Hilarious stuff...funny growing up and watching Good Times and being able to relate really, really well to this struggling black family. I had no idea why until years later I found out the show (at least the first 3 seasons) were written by 2 white, Jewish guys. Then it made sense why I was glued to the show and humor.

I like Florida Evans as maude's maid, but really liked Mrs. Naugutuck.

LOL. That is a hilarious way of describing the creative force behind Good Times.

Good Times is my particular favorite, though, those first few season were genius. I didn't care for it after it became The JJ Show and John Amos left, but up until then it was really fantastic. I just love how Florida wore orange in every episode. That has always cracked me up. Esther Rolle and John Amos are amongst the greatest TV couples of all time.

[GateandGarden]

Curtis wrote some very sweet and true words to you. I was touched too.

Be good to yourself, Hilary.I'll do my best. Thank you. :)

[macfanken]

Thank you so much, Curtis. You make me tear up...in a good way. :) I know things could be much worse if I hadn't been honest with myself as soon as I was, but I still find myself wishing I could get those years back and live them differently in some way. I know it is the most futile thing to think of.




I might be wrong... but aren't you only in your early 20s? You're doing fine sweetie. Just look ahead.. don't look back and have regrets... it's a waste of time.

[estranged4life]

Who doesn't like Maude??!! And it's coming to DVD in January! Let's all do a jig!

I don't :shrug: ...Hell every show I used to like as a kid (Happy Days, Laverne & Shirley, What's Happening?, etc) I now totally dispise.

[dissention]

I don't :shrug: ...Hell every show I used to like as a kid (Happy Days, Laverne & Shirley, What's Happening?, etc) I now totally dispise.

I loathe Happy Days with every fiber of my being, but Shirley on What's Happening cracks my ass up to this day. Homegirl is bloody hilarious.

[estranged4life]

I loathe Happy Days with every fiber of my being, but Shirley on What's Happening cracks my ass up to this day. Homegirl is bloody hilarious.

enjoy those shows, but for unknown reason they grate my nerves to no ends now (Matter-of-fact, Alot of stuff I like is starting to grate my nerves)...The only exceptions are the Munsters, the Addams Family, Bewitched & Sanford and Son (Even then my attention span can barely handle 30 minutes of those shows)

Let's just say I rarely (If ever) watch TV Land.

[Richard B]

LOL. That is a hilarious way of describing the creative force behind Good Times.

Good Times is my particular favorite, though, those first few season were genius. I didn't care for it after it became The JJ Show and John Amos left, but up until then it was really fantastic. I just love how Florida wore orange in every episode. That has always cracked me up. Esther Rolle and John Amos are amongst the greatest TV couples of all time.
Good Times is also my favorite. I agree with all you said...especially the greatest TV couple of all time. I learned alot from those two. I hated it when John Amos left the show. It killed it.

[ragandbone]

Hm. There was no real 'out' thing going on. I was out to a number of my friends, but I still had a girlfriend, mostly for show. So did he. A lot of it was non-verbal. One thing lead to another. And then it was just something that unfolded and took off. There was no talk about it. I was certain if we said anything that would have killed it.
The most I ever said to him about it was when I tossed him that little piece of the heart at the end of a particularly serious night. Then about 2 days before graduation, he walked up to me behind this one building where we always used to meet. I was sitting by myself looking at my own piece of the same heart, which I always had on. I had taken it off and was staring at it and was of course thinking about what the hell I was going to do in two days. I was kind of upset and mad at him - for what I don't know. Probably because I knew it was over. That part of our lives was simply going to be over and there was nothing anyone could do about it. He asked me what I was doing and I remember just shaking my head and refusing to say anything. He saw what I was doing. All I could do was to ask him if he still had it. He knew what I meant. He produced it in a flash and said he had been carrying it with him since the night I gave it to him. I can still see what it looked like and how it caught the light. I reached out and touched it and touched his hand, and I swear to God at that second someone walked around the building and yelled our names. I don't remember who it was. But I do remember feeling like I was caught. We both pulled back our hands and stepped away from each other and everything changed. What happened next ? I have no idea. Don't know. Can't recall. I just know something broke that second. And that I sat against the wall alone until it was very late and very dark and then I walked home by myself.

Damn. Hadn't thought of that in a long time. I forgot all about that day.
And I probably better stop thinking about it.

I just I careered through the last 3 pages of this thread; when you scan it, reading words and phrases here and there, it starts to sound like the party scene in Breakfast at Tiffanys. I heard all these little conversations overlapping, creating a din of chatter (all pretty fun) and then I stopped at your post, and a read a real, tender story. Beautiful!


*everyone else, please don't think I am against the chatter (um, discussion) lord knows I engage in that myself, and I am here for that too.

[Moony]

I just I careered through the last 3 pages of this thread; when you scan it, reading words and phrases here and there, it starts to sound like the party scene in Breakfast at Tiffanys. I heard all these little conversations overlapping, creating a din of chatter (all pretty fun) and then I stopped at your post, and a read a real, tender story. Beautiful!

Isn't Sparky a wonderful writer?

It truly is a beautiful (if sad) little tale, Sparko Darko. :xoxo:

[Mari]

Pfft, I came out on this place years ago. I was so ahead of all of you ;)

Darn, this happens all the time, you guys have interesting discussions when on my side of the world it's bed time.

[ragandbone]

Isn't Sparky a wonderful writer?

It truly is a beautiful (if sad) little tale, Sparko Darko. :xoxo:
He is, and there are in fact several very good writers on this board.

(she says, offering neither examples of good writers, nor good writing herself)
Time for bed, my brain is oatmeal. This day should have ended when it sucked 6 hours ago.

[SuzeQuze]

When I was reading your story, I thought you made it up. It sounded all TV movie like, the way you described it. At first I laughed and thought you were clever, then I realized that of course you weren't making it up. Then I wondered if you saw it all in soft focus and golden light as you were thinking back...I totally imagined you sitting dejectedly against the wall...some poignant song went through my mind right then, I can't remember which...
Anyway, perhaps you should write a script.

I agree. The imagery of that moment... it is poingnant and fascinating. I don't know anything about what its like to be gay in high school. The one person I know from my class who is gay did not come out for a long time. Even still he is flirty with women and seems to want to cover it up in mixed company. Anyway, Sparky's story is really moving. Ryan, are you an actor? I'm thinking you'll play Sparky. :D

I have a good friend who didn't come out until after being married to a woman for 5 years. I didn't meet him until a few years after that. I knew he was gay immediately so I don't know how he managed it! :lol: I am fascinated by the repressed thing. Do you really not know? Do you know and act like you don't? Its really none of my business but I am so curious about that. I can see why Hill would ask Brandon what went through his gay head while bashing gays. :laugh: If anyone wants to chime in feel free, if not, ignore my ramblings.

[SuzeQuze]

HA! yea right

Or the FM circle!

"Cliques are for losers" :lol: Nice sig.

Perhaps I am too honest, I tell people how I know you guys. :shocked: Now I just call it "my board" though. Only cuz no one in my real life is here so to them it is mine. Calling it "The Ledge" just sounds wrong, then I have to explain the name and junk. Too much effort! :lol:

[GateandGarden]

That would be me. I "came out" in a thread at an opportune time...I had thought about it for a while and decided to do so. Amber said something about me "turning gay just like all the rest of them," or something to that effect, so I simply said that I indeed was homosexual. Shortly afterward, Ryan did as well. :)Of course I was thinking of you. :xoxo:

[cliffdweller]

HEY COME ON NOW! I wasn't THAT obvious. :laugh:

Uh. yes it was. I thought you were a girl for weeks :shrug:.

[cliffdweller]

Oy. Between my missing the other C and using "they're" instead of "their" earlier, I must be losing it. I curse you for pointing that out.



I wanted to hammer the point home.



You can bet your ass. I have no use for the likes of you any longer. Take that missing C and shove it.

You are so Stewie Griffin. Are you sure you're not the voice for him? :laugh: You know I <3 you :xoxo:.

[cliffdweller]

Seriously...he had it so bad for Dissention. Like a cat in heat that Brandon was at the time.

:laugh: There's a match made in hell.

[GateandGarden]

Uh. yes it was. I thought you were a girl for weeks :shrug:.:laugh::laugh:

[Raeven Skye]

[QUOTE=ontheEdgeof17] Actually there are a few nurses who have a crush on me. [QUOTE]

ok..i read that as "a few nuns..." and i was very confused and amused for a moment... :p

[gldstwmn]

He had John Edwards on last week and it was really fab. It made me light up; very nice to see John Edwards with all of this depressing **** going on. And last Tuesday Maureen Dowd was on and it was just the greatest thing ever.

I was really bummed that I missed MoDo. I watched for a little while last night after that vapid Ryan Seacrest/Nicole Ritchie thing but I ended up changing the channel. There was just too much bad news yesterday.:distress:

[gldstwmn]

Hm. There was no real 'out' thing going on. I was out to a number of my friends, but I still had a girlfriend, mostly for show. So did he. A lot of it was non-verbal. One thing lead to another. And then it was just something that unfolded and took off. There was no talk about it. I was certain if we said anything that would have killed it.
The most I ever said to him about it was when I tossed him that little piece of the heart at the end of a particularly serious night. Then about 2 days before graduation, he walked up to me behind this one building where we always used to meet. I was sitting by myself looking at my own piece of the same heart, which I always had on. I had taken it off and was staring at it and was of course thinking about what the hell I was going to do in two days. I was kind of upset and mad at him - for what I don't know. Probably because I knew it was over. That part of our lives was simply going to be over and there was nothing anyone could do about it. He asked me what I was doing and I remember just shaking my head and refusing to say anything. He saw what I was doing. All I could do was to ask him if he still had it. He knew what I meant. He produced it in a flash and said he had been carrying it with him since the night I gave it to him. I can still see what it looked like and how it caught the light. I reached out and touched it and touched his hand, and I swear to God at that second someone walked around the building and yelled our names. I don't remember who it was. But I do remember feeling like I was caught. We both pulled back our hands and stepped away from each other and everything changed. What happened next ? I have no idea. Don't know. Can't recall. I just know something broke that second. And that I sat against the wall alone until it was very late and very dark and then I walked home by myself.

Damn. Hadn't thought of that in a long time. I forgot all about that day.
And I probably better stop thinking about it.

I'm in tears. It must be the time of year or something. I was driving along in my car last night coming back from the post office and I thought of someone from long ago, another life and I just started crying.
It's a really beautiful, bittersweet story Sparks. Thank you for sharing it.

[BTFLCHLD]

I simply said that I indeed was homosexual. Shortly afterward, Ryan did as well. :) i know who the next one to speakup will be...:nod:


and, no, its not me ;)

[gldstwmn]

Shoot. I can't picture Ryan. What's his Ledge name?


He looks like a young John Cusack. Adorable, he is.

[dissention]

You are so Stewie Griffin. Are you sure you're not the voice for him? :laugh: You know I <3 you :xoxo:.

Who the hell is Stewie Griffin, babe? :laugh:

[dissention]

I was really bummed that I missed MoDo. I watched for a little while last night after that vapid Ryan Seacrest/Nicole Ritchie thing but I ended up changing the channel. There was just too much bad news yesterday.:distress:

Oy, the MoDo interview was truly the greatest thing ever. They were talking about her new book, "Are Men Necessary?", and she was saying that there's nothing a man can do that a woman can't. Almost immediately, Anderson says to her "They can't have orgasms like men" and I almost choked on my own spit. I'll try to find the transcript, the whole thing was fantastic. And then when the interview was over, she says "Thank you, I'm a BIG fan" and slightly winked at him. :laugh:

[dissention]

Isn't Sparky a wonderful writer?

It truly is a beautiful (if sad) little tale, Sparko Darko. :xoxo:

Sparks is all different kinds of awesome. He embodies an awesomeness that hasn't yet been measured in our time.

[cliffdweller]

Who the hell is Stewie Griffin, babe? :laugh:

Are you kidding me? Family Guy? Stewie? The fabulous dry-witted, sarcastic Football headed baby? :laugh:

[sparky]

I'm in tears. It must be the time of year or something. I was driving along in my car last night coming back from the post office and I thought of someone from long ago, another life and I just started crying.
It's a really beautiful, bittersweet story Sparks. Thank you for sharing it.

Oh...:(

I didn't mean to make you sad. The story just kind of flooded out. It is that time of year. Fall makes me think of things that didn't make it. It sure made me upset thinking about that.

Isn't Sparky a wonderful writer?

It truly is a beautiful (if sad) little tale, Sparko Darko.

Thanks, Moonster. How odd that I just watched Donnie Darko the other night and it is now one of my favorite movies ever. :wavey:

I heard all these little conversations overlapping, creating a din of chatter (all pretty fun) and then I stopped at your post, and a read a real, tender story. Beautiful!

So sweet for you to say that. Sheesh. I almost didn't post it because it
seemed a little too...something. But thanks.:xoxo:

[dissention]

Are you kidding me? Family Guy? Stewie? The fabulous dry-witted, sarcastic Football headed baby? :laugh:

I've never seen Family Guy.

But thanks for the compliment, darling. :xoxo:

[cliffdweller]

I've never seen Family Guy.

Wow! That's hard to believe. I think you'd like it. Do you like over the top social satire?

[BTFLCHLD]

Sparks is all different kinds of awesome. He embodies an awesomeness that hasn't yet been measured in our time.
and i for one cant wait to see him embodied in his work-out gear...muzzleless of course :nod:

[cliffdweller]

I'm in tears. It must be the time of year or something. I was driving along in my car last night coming back from the post office and I thought of someone from long ago, another life and I just started crying.
It's a really beautiful, bittersweet story Sparks. Thank you for sharing it.

It's strange the things that can spark memories (no pun intended Sparky!). Scents (strangely enough) do that for me a lot. The other day I was throwing out old perfume bottles and the smell of one of them really took me back to 5 years ago when my sister and I were living together while we were both in college. She's since moved away and we are VERY close so I started to feel very reflective and melancholy remembering the old times we had. That was one of my favorite lives. Cripes, now I'm getting emotional. Blast! :laugh:.

[dissention]

Wow! That's hard to believe. I think you'd like it. Do you like over the top social satire?

Is the pope a closeted fag? :]

I'll have to check it out. When is it on?

[cliffdweller]

Is the pope a closeted fag? :]

I'll have to check it out. When is it on?

Sunday nights on Fox (blech). In Austin, it comes on at 8:00 so possibly 9:00 for you? :shrug:

[SuzeQuze]

He looks like a young John Cusack. Adorable, he is.

Yeah, Ryan's gorgeous, but one of "them". :sigh: :lol:

[cliffdweller]

Yeah, Ryan's gorgeous, but one of "them". :sigh: :lol:

Yes another one. Sometimes, perusing this board I think, if you were straight and I wasn't married...ahem, well anyway...:laugh::p

[SuzeQuze]

Yes another one. Sometimes, perusing this board I think, if you were straight and I wasn't married...ahem, well anyway...:laugh::p

Yep, me too, sans the married part. :lol: There are some straight boys on here though, like 2 or something. :laugh:

[cliffdweller]

Yep, me too, sans the married part. :lol: There are some straight boys on here though, like 2 or something. :laugh:

:laugh: Yeah, and they're all on the Lindsey board!

[The Tower]

Oh...:(

I didn't mean to make you sad. The story just kind of flooded out. It is that time of year. Fall makes me think of things that didn't make it. It sure made me upset thinking about that.
Well, I was going to go into a whole thing on this, but it ends up making me upset.

I wish that everyone could understand how difficult it is to grow up gay. There are so many things that are available to most of straight society that are denied to gays. Although, situations are starting to change, it's still sad.

Proms, courtship, puppy love, going on dates, sharing dinner time with one's family, having your boyfriend/girlfriend be an open part of one's family life- and on, and on, and on.... Missing out on all that kind of stuff when you're in your teens and early twenties leaves a void so that when you actually do start to "date" it's usually based on hooking up for sex and then doing the whole courtship thing- totally reversed.

I know that your story wasn't necessarily specific to what I'm saying, but I just thought I'd blab about it. I grew up the youngest of five siblings and my brothers and sister always had a girlfriend/boyfriend that was "part of the family". Hanging out and such. Completely missing out on that kind of life-sharing isolated me even further from my already distant relationship with my family members.

All that stuff is so sad and such a shame because it's all based on ignorance, fear and intolerance. All for nothing. So much loss. And like Hillary was saying, regret is a bitch. It's hard to get over, but my wish is that the teens of today and the future will not have to live that kind of life.

[BTFLCHLD]

All that stuff is so sad and such a shame because it's all based on ignorance, fear and intolerance. All for nothing. So much loss. And like Hillary was saying, regret is a bitch. It's hard to get over, but my wish is that the teens of today and the future will not have to live that kind of life. amen
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[Raeven Skye]

All that stuff is so sad and such a shame because it's all based on ignorance, fear and intolerance. All for nothing. So much loss. And like Hillary was saying, regret is a bitch. It's hard to get over, but my wish is that the teens of today and the future will not have to live that kind of life.

My best friend (since we were 8) is gay, and I watched him go thru all the things you mentioned, including breaking the heart of his lifelong girlfriend (also a best friend). He wanted so much to love her, and marry her, but it was not meant to be. I was supportive, and loved him, but he had to work it out on his on. I hate the fact that, so many years later, teens, and people of all ages still have such struggles, and become trapped in lies just because society doesn't understand. It boggles my mind! If they could see his life thru my eyes, they would have no questions.

[Richard B]

When will humanity realize that love knows nothing of gender.

Please. Someday?

[SuzeQuze]

When will humanity realize that love knows nothing of gender.

Please. Someday?

I thought we were moving toward that until the Neocon Dealth Cult came along. Things are surreal these days. Gays can marry in MA though. Hopefully other states will follow.

Towie, it was very sad reading about the struggles you go through. I know it must have been difficult but to see it laid out like that breaks my heart. If I have a child and he winds up being gay his boyfriend will always be welcome.

[SuzeQuze]

Oh gosh you've been reading my mind...and probably many others as well. I really, reall hope that future generations don't have it the same way we have at all.

I think about this all the time. I say things about it to people and many of them question my sanity, it seems. Gender has nothing on love. It's so insignificant in the face of it.

You have to get away from those people that can't accept it. At the very least shield your heart from them. They're not worth your misery.

[estranged4life]

There are some straight boys on here though, like 2 or something. :laugh:

wow! Big shock huh?

[ontheEdgeof17]

I think about this all the time. I say things about it to people and many of them question my sanity, it seems. Gender has nothing on love. It's so insignificant in the face of it.


For some reason, it's an embarassment to those who are not gay. Sometimes I think they are struggling with their own insecurities. It's not about me....it's about them.

The first thing my mom said to me when I came out (after the "You're going to get AIDS speech :rolleyes: ) was "You know you can never bring a guy home." At the time, I was ashamed of it, too. I was the outcast of the family. I was the one who never would have a big fancy wedding like all of my cousins.

After the initial shock of it all.....and for shows like "Will and Grace"...my parents eventually accepted it mainly because the insecurities went away. The unknown was finally known. They finally "understood" my lifestyle and knew it wasn't all sex and drugs. And they don't take every word of the bible so seriously....:lol: If that were the case, we would all be snake charmers. :woohoo:

[markolas]

The first thing my mom said to me when I came out (after the "You're going to get AIDS speech :rolleyes: ) was "You know you can never bring a guy home." At the time, I was ashamed of it, too. I was the outcast of the family. I was the one who never would have a big fancy wedding like all of my cousins.

See, I can't deal with confrontation, which is the reason why I haven't told my family. The last time I was at my parents' house, I used my brother's laptop to access my livejournal, hoping that after I had left, curiosity would get the best of him...I'm not sure if my plan worked, but I haven't gotten a phone call from any of them since I got back home, over two months ago. I'm not sure what conclusions to draw there.

Anyway...if my mom ever said anything to me like what yours said to you (and I wouldn't put it past her...but she'd probably throw in a 'your going to hell' too), I swear I'd never speak to any of my relatives again. I don't really like them that much anyway.

[The Tower]

I thought we were moving toward that until the Neocon Dealth Cult came along. Things are surreal these days. Gays can marry in MA though. Hopefully other states will follow.

Towie, it was very sad reading about the struggles you go through. I know it must have been difficult but to see it laid out like that breaks my heart. If I have a child and he winds up being gay his boyfriend will always be welcome.
:xoxo:

For me it has a happy ending, though. All three of my brothers and my sister married and subsequently divorced. My partner Geoffrey and I have been together twelve years, which is longer than any of my sibling's marriages lasted. My mom and dad and my siblings always say they like Geoffrey a lot more than me (my family has a teasing-type sense of humor).

So, while childhood and adolescence can really suck for gays, adulthood can be quite rewarding in some cases. Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger, ya know....

[ontheEdgeof17]

Anyway...if my mom ever said anything to me like what yours said to you (and I wouldn't put it past her...but she'd probably throw in a 'your going to hell' too), I swear I'd never speak to any of my relatives again. I don't really like them that much anyway.


It was terrible at the time. I knew my parents well, though. I was ready for the backlash and could take it. Deep down, they didn't feel that way....after all the anger and sadness came out....all became well. We became closer after that. I lived an embarassed life before that, but now I can go visit them and be me. Plus, I've been out to them for 6-7 years....the fog has lifted greatly. :laugh:

[wondergirl9847]

I was the one who never would have a big fancy wedding like all of my cousins.

Traditional, fancy weddings are overrated. ;)

If I were to get married, I want to wear an ice blue dress (like the one in The Princess Bride...what? Shut up), even though I'm a virgin...I hate white wedding dresses. They are boring as heck. Everyone would be given a lei when they came through the door perhaps. Umm...the actual service would take 15-20 minutes TOPS. I hate mushiness. There would be no singing, no stupid a$$ mushy "I will love you till I die" songs. I may even play something totally out of line...like....Bust a Move...like they did on My Name is Earl last night. LMAO!

[ontheEdgeof17]

If I were to get married, I want to wear an ice blue dress (like the one in The Princess Bride...what? Shut up), even though I'm a virgin...I hate white wedding dresses. They are boring as heck. Everyone would be given a lei when they came through the door perhaps. Umm...the actual service would take 15-20 minutes TOPS. I hate mushiness. There would be no singing, no stupid a$$ mushy "I will love you till I die" songs. I may even play something totally out of line...like....Bust a Move...like they did on My Name is Earl last night. LMAO!


:lol:

I could so hear I'm So Afraid being played while you walk down the aisle, with a big picture of Lindsey and Keith Urban over the alter.

[GypsySorcerer]

:lol:

I could so hear I'm So Afraid being played while you walk down the aisle, with a big picture of Lindsey and Keith Urban over the alter.

:laugh: I could see that. "Red Rover" would have to be in there, too.

[wondergirl9847]

Ya'll are scaring me...you know me too well. :lol:

Actually, maybe I can raise enough $$$$ to get Liddy to play at the wedding...hmmmm.....he could do I Am Waiting....while the folks are waiting for me to walk down the aisle. HEE!

We are waiting....we are waiting....

[Hippocampus]

I adore you just as much, but I can't have you pointing out my (rare) spelling errors like that. It isn't right.


Bah you know you're really good when people start pointing out your least mistakes.

I get that at work all the time. ;)

[SuzeQuze]

My parents just wouldn't believe me when I told them. The initial reaction was so bad that I went back to trying to be straight for a few years. Sometimes I was really convinced that I was. When I knew there was no turning back, the whole thing was very traumatic for everyone involved, but things are so much better now and have been for the past couple of years. Still, there are some relatives who will never be okay with it and then there are others who don't know because I suspect they'll never be okay with it. Lately I've been thinking that if that's the way it works out, it would be best if they never knew, if they died thinking I'm straight. They drive me crazy with the whole "When is your wedding going to be, huh? Are you next?" and "When are you having a baby?"

Anyway...I'm sorry that no one else has had it easy. :( I'm glad that you all have found some peace of mind, whether your relatives came to terms with it or you distanced yourself from them for self-preservation.

A friend here had her parents pull her out of college when she came out to them. Like college made her gay and they could cure her or something. :rolleyes: It must have been so awful. :distress:

[Johnny Stew]

The first thing my mom said to me when I came out (after the "You're going to get AIDS speech :rolleyes: ) was "You know you can never bring a guy home." At the time, I was ashamed of it, too. I was the outcast of the family. I was the one who never would have a big fancy wedding like all of my cousins.Our "coming out" experiences are actually quite similar it seems.

I had actually been wanting to tell my folks for quite a while, and then my mother started putting things together (all of my friends were gay, me and one guy in particular were spending a lot of time together, and every now and then I'd get little gifts and tokens of friendship from some of my gay friends), and so she just flat-out asked me.
And as much as I had been wanting to tell her, my gut instinct was still screaming, "LIE!!! Tell her you're straight!"... but I took a deep breath and told her that, yes, I am gay.

So, of course, I got the big speech... "you could catch something fatal"... "gay people get beaten up and killed"... etc., etc.
I was also told, "your father and I want you to be happy, but I hope you know you can never date anyone while we're alive," and to not ever do "anything that could embarrass our family."

I walked around for a while as if someone had punched me in the stomach. But it got easier, and my mother became more accepting of my homosexuality (which I owe a great deal of debt to my brother for, because he talked to her a lot about it and how "Brian is still Brian").

At any rate, it is a bitch for gays in their teens and early 20s. As Tower said, the things that straight people take for granted, are so often denied us.

I really, reall hope that future generations don't have it the same way we have at all.That's why these political battles are so important... we have to make things better for the next generations, and fight the good fight until we don't need to fight anymore.
That's also why I feel it's important that those of us in our 30s, 40s, 50s, and so on, keep pushing for things like the recognition of same-gender civil unions and/or marriage... even if it's something that we don't want for ourselves, we need to work to ensure that future generations have more choices and rights and freedoms than we did/do.

[Serrart]

When I was reading your story, I thought you made it up. It sounded all TV movie like, the way you described it. At first I laughed and thought you were clever, then I realized that of course you weren't making it up. Then I wondered if you saw it all in soft focus and golden light as you were thinking back...I totally imagined you sitting dejectedly against the wall...some poignant song went through my mind right then, I can't remember which...
Anyway, perhaps you should write a script.

I agree with Amber, you should write a script Sparky. I felt truthful emotions through the story you shared and IMO that is a great basis.

Romy

[xdreamsunwindx]

Wow, I missed this thread.

On my list, I have about four or five. I'm easily annoyed. This is why I need therapy/Prozac/anger management. =]

[SuzeQuze]

About four or five. I'm easily annoyed. This is why I need therapy/Prozac/anger management. =]

:lol: Either that or you're going through some normal adolescent stuff! :xoxo: Hang in there!

[SuzeQuze]

Oh God I can't imagine that! I would be devastated! :distress:

She was. The worst was she was finally having fun and enjoying her life getting comfortable with who she is. Stupid ignorance.

[The Tower]

I had one person on my Ignore List all this time and now I've added TWO MORE to it.

Now that's progress!!

[skcin]

Awww, good for you, sweetie! :thumbsup: