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[Brwn_eyes0511]

Why is it that homosexual males are attracted other effeminate males? Why not just spring for the real thing and go after the female? I would think that if you're going to do the homosexual thing, you would want to get the most out of it and get regular males, not female impersonators.

Isn't that a stereotype?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Of course it is.

O....k....

then what is your point?

[SteveMacD]

I guess you could just as easily ponder why do so many lesbians take on extremely masculine (butch) qualities.

[Neal]

I don't like feminine guys personally. If I'm going to date them that is; some of my friends can be pretty flaming.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

this is just soooo freakn sily!








ths thread is pointlsesssss

[The Tower]

Why is it that homosexual males are attracted other effeminate males? Why not just spring for the real thing and go after the female? I would think that if you're going to do the homosexual thing, you would want to get the most out of it and get regular males, not female impersonators.
Eh, it's all variety. Most women out there don't even have the characteristics of "effeminate" men. Even "effeminate" men still have all the right equipment.

[ryan8472]

It's something called a "penis", which women lack. Plain & simple. :) :laugh:

[macfanken]

What about you BoBo... do you like the pole or the hole?

[dissention]

What about you BoBo... do you like the pole or the hole?

Jerri! Eww!!

Somebody's been drinking. I'm gonna name you Dizzy.

[DavidMn]

Why is it that homosexual males are attracted other effeminate males? Why not just spring for the real thing and go after the female? I would think that if you're going to do the homosexual thing, you would want to get the most out of it and get regular males, not female impersonators.This is just my personal taste, but my attitude is, if I wanted a woman, I'd date one

[DavidMn]

It's something called a "penis", which women lack. Plain & simple. :) :laugh:Well said:nod:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

What about you BoBo... do you like the pole or the hole?

I like th pole!


and im alitttttle drunk!!!!:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[DavidMn]

I like th pole!


and im alitttttle drunk!!!!:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:I got a pole for ya.....

[strandinthewind]

Of course it is.

I just want to see you open that jar of olives :wavey:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I just want to see you open that jar of olives :wavey:

the classic test!

[Jyqm]

ths thread is pointlsesssss

If the point of the thread was to get you to complain that a thread was pointless so that I could laugh out loud in sweet, delicious irony, then mission accomplished.

[ryan8472]

ths thread is pointlsesssssIf you haven't noticed by now, a lot of threads around here are pointless. :laugh: :xoxo:

[Wild_Heart03]

If you haven't noticed by now, a lot of threads around here are pointless. :laugh: :xoxo:

lol, so true.... it's part of The Ledge's charm. :wavey:

[irishgrl]

I like th pole!


and im alitttttle drunk!!!!:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
he's slurring his writing, how cute :p

So Brwn_eyes, do you have a hangover today?

here's a pic to make you puke:
<img src ="http://www.thenation.com/covers/alfredw/alfredw.jpg">

[GateandGarden]

lol, so true.... it's part of The Ledge's charm. :wavey:Nick, I love your avatar and I love "Little Lies" Christine in your sig. :nod:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

If you haven't noticed by now, a lot of threads around here are pointless. :laugh: :xoxo:

Sorry, I was drunk when I wrote that last night a little....

[Brwn_eyes0511]

he's slurring his writing, how cute :p

So Brwn_eyes, do you have a hangover today?

here's a pic to make you puke:
<img src ="http://www.thenation.com/covers/alfredw/alfredw.jpg">

My head hurts....yes!

:wavey:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Let's build on the educational shockfest that we have going here. Why is it that only the homosexuals like the nice looking female celebrities? Like Britney Spears or Stevie Nicks. If a male is a big fan of one of these two, it seems that it's shockingly likely that they are gay. I never knew that liking females was so gay.

That's actually a stereotype, but a lot of the times true. I suppose gay men like strong/successful yet sometimes "tragic" figures...IE. Judy Garland, Liza Minnelli....

[Johnny Stew]

That's actually a stereotype, but a lot of the times true. I suppose gay men like strong/successful yet sometimes "tragic" figures...IE. Judy Garland, Liza Minnelli....While it's not true in every case, gay men... on some level or another... often identify with strong female celebrities who have faced and/or have overcome various adversities.

Plus, we relate to the struggles of those who have always been unfairly considered "the weaker sex," as they try to rise above that to make their own place in the world.

And when it comes to someone like Stevie, we can additionally relate to her lyrics of unrequited love and doomed romances... something that permeates the lives of most gay men from the time they're old enough to have their first same-gender crush.

[KarmaContestant]

Why is it that homosexual males are attracted other effeminate males? Why not just spring for the real thing and go after the female? I would think that if you're going to do the homosexual thing, you would want to get the most out of it and get regular males, not female impersonators.

I have wondered this many times. However, I am a homosexual man, and I do not like the femmy types. At all. I think they're annoying and ridiculous - and to be honest, I have always believed it was just an effected behavior, caused in part by environmental stimulation. Effected for so long that it becomes the norm, and thus, a huge turnoff.

Granted, all gay men have a slightly effeminate quality to them...which is part of the appeal as well. :shrug: I don't know! It's hard to explain! :laugh:

A female impersonator out of her costume can be an exceptionally masculine creature, indeed. Do not ever let the wig and dress fool you.

[RavenOfRhiannon]

A Lot of my friends are effeminate, and I love them just the same. My BF happens to be a very masculine type, but in the end it doesn't matter, as I would love him even if he starting flailing his wrist around.

(I know plenty of heterosexual men who are married to women some might consider manly)

[sparky]

I have wondered this many times. However, I am a homosexual man, and I do not like the femmy types. At all. I think they're annoying and ridiculous - and to be honest, I have always believed it was just an effected behavior, caused in part by environmental stimulation. Effected for so long that it becomes the norm, and thus, a huge turnoff.

Socialization. I have seen guys move to LA and turn into queens before my eyes, because all their new friends act that way.

Granted, all gay men have a slightly effeminate quality to them...[which is part of the appeal as well. :shrug: I don't know! It's hard to explain! :laugh:

Not in my more recent experience. The further I have gotten away from the trendy young weho type crowd (which I never was really a part of anyway)and into just doing things I like, I find I have met a number of men who don't take part in "gay culture" at all. And they are just normal guys. Completely masculine. Being gay doesn't define them and they hardly give it a second thought. Works for me.

I have friends who are full on flamers, and friends who can not elicit a glance in small town truck stop. Takes all kinds.

[ryan8472]

I dunno...I act a little bit effeminate. Not overly so, but in some ways. It's just how I am though, I don't *try* to act like that or anything. My "boyfriend" acts similarly too. :nod:

[dissention]

My friend Nick is as effeminate as they come. Queeny with a capital Q. I love him to death, but I can't say that I would find it attractive in a partner or a phuck buddy. It would drive me nuts and probably make me flaccid.

[ryan8472]

My friend Nick is as effeminate as they come. Queeny with a capital Q. I love him to death, but I can't say that I would find it attractive in a partner or a phuck buddy. It would drive me nuts and probably make me flaccid.
:laugh:

Well I guess I feel the same. I like a strong man. :p :D :laugh:

[markolas]

It's gotten to where the whole obssession with "straight-acting" that some gay men have is incredibly annoying to me. I have been attracted to men that might be considered "effeminate." Just be yourself. I have a friend (gay man) who thinks men dressing in drag is "not appropriate." His attitude strikes me as the same as the "straight-acting" thing...these people aren't comfortable with being gay, and it's kind of sad.

[dissention]

:laugh:

Well I guess I feel the same. I like a strong man. :p :D :laugh:

It's the feminine voice and the drinking from a glass with a raised pinky and the overdramatics. Cumulatively, it's one giant turn-off to me, but if others like it, have some hot and dirty fun.

[amber]

It's the feminine voice and the drinking from a glass with a raised pinky and the overdramatics. Cumulatively, it's one giant turn-off to me, but if others like it, have some hot and dirty fun.
Don't you mean mincing and dainty fun?

[dissention]

Don't you mean mincing and dainty fun?

:laugh: :laugh:

Yes, dainty fun. That is rich, good job.

[amber]

:laugh: :laugh:

Yes, dainty fun. That is rich, good job.
I suppose they could also have overdramatic and flouncy fun.

[ryan8472]

It's the feminine voice and the drinking from a glass with a raised pinky and the overdramatics. Cumulatively, it's one giant turn-off to me, but if others like it, have some hot and dirty fun.
I just kind of laugh at that kind of stuff. Its sooooo over the top. :nod:

My bf Brad and I are FAR from dainty. In fact, we're goofy and doofy; dumb and dumber :laugh:

[sparky]

I just kind of laugh at that kind of stuff. Its sooooo over the top. :nod:

My bf Brad and I are FAR from dainty. In fact, we're goofy and doofy; dumb and dumber :laugh:


DUDE ! You have a bf ? That is awesome !:thumbsup:

[sparky]

It's gotten to where the whole obssession with "straight-acting" that some gay men have is incredibly annoying to me. I have been attracted to men that might be considered "effeminate." Just be yourself. I have a friend (gay man) who thinks men dressing in drag is "not appropriate." His attitude strikes me as the same as the "straight-acting" thing...these people aren't comfortable with being gay, and it's kind of sad.

Straightacting is a misnomer. These guys aren't so straight with a di*k in their mouths. It is about being yourself and being relaxed. The men I find attractive are calm, confident, and grounded. And I like deep voices. Thus, I like masculinity. I think that a lot of gay men have issues with their fathers and reject everything their fathers represent, and sometimes that is why it is so easy for them to pick up all that over the top Paul Lynde Jack MacFarlane schtick. Which is not authentic to them either. I totally rejected my dad for awhile, and if I hadn't, when I was young I would have been a full on jock and probably joined the military. In my twenties I relaxed into the guy I am now. The queeny stuff is funny at a party, and fine with a friend, but a certain erection killer for me.

I used to hang a bit at a homo website called straightacting.com. It was pretty slow, but there were guys there who liked to talk about rock and roll, pickup trucks, outdoor stuff....I got a kick out of it. I took their test and got this funny little sig pic. I thought about putting it in my profile a long time ago.:laugh:



http://usera.imagecave.com/casparky/level2.gif

[markolas]

Straightacting is a misnomer. These guys aren't so straight with a di*k in their mouths.

Well, I think so too, but I'm not the one who coined the term. :D

If "masculine" (whatever that means) is how you really are, then that's fine...what I find aggravating is when guys go overboard with the machismo because they're obviously uncomfortable with their homosexuality. Like guys who refuse to bottom, for instance.

I had a roommate who was gay, but didn't want anyone who was not gay to know about it. When I lived with him and we were interviewing potential third roommates, he asked me once if I would be willing to keep my being gay a secret. I told him no, and he actually wound up telling these people that he was bi, even though he'd never been with a woman. He would even try to talk about girls with some of these straight guys. And other things, like sports, which I knew he wasn't into, but he pretended to be so straight guys would think he was a "real man." Or something. It was sooo painful to watch. :distress:

[GateandGarden]

Well, I think so too, but I'm not the one who coined the term. :D

If "masculine" (whatever that means) is how you really are, then that's fine...what I find aggravating is when guys go overboard with the machismo because they're obviously uncomfortable with their homosexuality. Like guys who refuse to bottom, for instance.

I had a roommate who was gay, but didn't want anyone who was not gay to know about it. When I lived with him and we were interviewing potential third roommates, he asked me once if I would be willing to keep my being gay a secret. I told him no, and he actually wound up telling these people that he was bi, even though he'd never been with a woman. He would even try to talk about girls with some of these straight guys. And other things, like sports, which I knew he wasn't into, but he pretended to be so straight guys would think he was a "real man." Or something. It was sooo painful to watch. :distress:
:distress: I had a gay friend who was so determined to hide his homosexuality that he hit on me whenever we were around other people. He went completely overboard with it, too. I expected someone to say "Thou doth protest too much." When he made some extremely inappropriate and bordering on degrading comment about my breasts in front of a teacher, I told him (when we were alone again) that I had no interest in helping him conceal his homosexuality. If he wanted to do it, that was fine, but he was not to bring me into it. He was so wrapped up in trying to hide it that he couldn't see that he was doing something unfair to me. This was a couple of years ago but I think he's still that way about being gay. :distress:

[AliceLover]

I just kind of laugh at that kind of stuff. Its sooooo over the top. :nod:

My bf Brad and I are FAR from dainty. In fact, we're goofy and doofy; dumb and dumber :laugh:

When did YOU get a bf? And not tell me. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

DUDE ! You have a bf ? That is awesome !:thumbsup:

I know - our little Ledgie is all grown up - where did the time fly off to?

So, Ryan, spill - how long? Is it cool in your school or are you all not out? Not to sound patriarchal, but considering I am at at least 20 years older :laugh: - it must be so much easier nowadays to be gay and your age. It certainly was not a few decades ago.

[KarmaContestant]

It's gotten to where the whole obssession with "straight-acting" that some gay men have is incredibly annoying to me. I have been attracted to men that might be considered "effeminate." Just be yourself. I have a friend (gay man) who thinks men dressing in drag is "not appropriate." His attitude strikes me as the same as the "straight-acting" thing...these people aren't comfortable with being gay, and it's kind of sad.


You know, I see your point. The 'straight acting' thing can get annoying....but, really, it shouldn't be about the acting at all. I would venture to say that some of the femmy guys that we've been talking about are also 'acting' and not just being themselves....even so, I don't look down on the cross dressing guys - they are having fun, and that's no crime, but it's just not something that I'm interested in on a personal level.

While many gay men are pretty homophobic (it's true) there are some of us who are not, and our disinterest in effeminate men stems merely from that - disinterest. I'm not interested in dating a narcoleptic either, but it doesn't mean that I'm uncomfortable around them. I just want a boyfriend who can stay awake. And one who carries himself like a man instead of a high school girl from the Bronx. :nod:

[KarmaContestant]

:laugh: - it must be so much easier nowadays to be gay and your age. It certainly was not a few decades ago.

Gosh, tell me about it. If I had come out in high school (I graduated in 1991), I'd have been tied to a tree and beat. No fuc*ing joke.

[strandinthewind]

Ya know - I think all of this pigeonholing people tend to do is silly. Everyone has many facets to their personalities. It shocks the shiitte out of people when I tell them I used to be a defensive tackle. I never really show that "I will jack you jaw right now" side of me very often. Normally, I am at a table with my posse cracking jokes. So, I think people should be who they want to be and all this judging is for the birds. I mean no one is perfect :shrug:

[sparky]

Well, I think so too, but I'm not the one who coined the term. :D

If "masculine" (whatever that means) is how you really are, then that's fine...what I find aggravating is when guys go overboard with the machismo because they're obviously uncomfortable with their homosexuality. Like guys who refuse to bottom, for instance.

I had a roommate who was gay, but didn't want anyone who was not gay to know about it. When I lived with him and we were interviewing potential third roommates, he asked me once if I would be willing to keep my being gay a secret. I told him no, and he actually wound up telling these people that he was bi, even though he'd never been with a woman. He would even try to talk about girls with some of these straight guys. And other things, like sports, which I knew he wasn't into, but he pretended to be so straight guys would think he was a "real man." Or something. It was sooo painful to watch. :distress:

Dude, as I have noticed before in some of your anecdotal posts, you have known some pretty f*cked up people.

[strandinthewind]

Gosh, tell me about it. If I had come out in high school (I graduated in 1991), I'd have been tied to a tree and beat. No fuc*ing joke.

We had some mostly out gay guys (maybe three) at our high school and most people left him alone, literally. He also was into that whole bad perm hair look in the early 80's - I graduated HS in 85. But, it just was considered so taboo even then. When I was in Vegas in May, I saw all these young guys holding hands and walking in public, which NEVER would have happened when I that age. It really almost made me cry at their courage.

[markolas]

Dude, as I have noticed before in some of your anecdotal posts, you have known some pretty f*cked up people.

Well, this particular ex-roomie that I'm referring to is the same ex-roomie I've referred to in other posts. But yes, I have known some pretty f*cked up people. Most of them are relatives. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Dude, as I have noticed before in some of your anecdotal posts, you have known some pretty f*cked up people.


I know - bless your heart darlin - but be a little choosier in the future :laugh: :laugh

But, if it is any consolation, one of my really good friends hangs out with straight people because he is really into straight guys. He will even go home with straight couple to get to the staight guy. I think he needs professional help LOL

[sparky]

Gosh, tell me about it. If I had come out in high school (I graduated in 1991), I'd have been tied to a tree and beat. No fuc*ing joke.


Where the HELL did you got to school ? I graduated in 84 and most of the people in my high school knew my story. And I am from friggin Oregon.

[KarmaContestant]

But yes, I have known some pretty f*cked up people. Most of them are relatives. :laugh:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I'm gonna add that to my ever growing list of Things I Have In Common With Other Fleetwood Mac Fans. :lol:

[markolas]

Where the HELL did you got to school ? I graduated in 84 and most of the people in my high school knew my story. And I am from friggin Oregon.

I graduated in '97, and *I* would have been tied to a tree and beaten if I had come out in high school. I'd probably be tied to a tree and beaten if I went back to that town and came out now.

[Richard B]

Ya know - I think all of this pigeonholing people tend to do is silly. Everyone has many facets to their personalities. It shocks the shiitte out of people when I tell them I used to be a defensive tackle. I never really show that "I will jack you jaw right now" side of me very often. Normally, I am at a table with my posse cracking jokes. So, I think people should be who they want to be and all this judging is for the birds. I mean no one is perfect :shrug:
Thanks for the most intelligent post in this thread.

[KarmaContestant]

Where the HELL did you got to school ? I graduated in 84 and most of the people in my high school knew my story. And I am from friggin Oregon.


A wee little town in Michigan. Rural, agriculture based economics. There were 53 people in my graduating class, and 12 people in the graduating class of the next town over. Everyone knew what everyone did all the time. Our prom was shared with three other schools. Yeah. Small town life stinks. The only redeeming quality was living on Lake Michigan.

[KarmaContestant]

I graduated in '97, and *I* would have been tied to a tree and beaten if I had come out in high school. I'd probably be tied to a tree and beaten if I went back to that town and came out now.


Preach it brotha! Me too! Though I do have a few friends there....we don't really keep in touch, but they do know that I'm gay. I'm just gay 2000 miles away instead of gay and down the street. :laugh:

[markolas]

I know - bless your heart darlin - but be a little choosier in the future :laugh:

I'm much more bitter and cynical about people after that experience.

it is any consolation, one of my really good friends hangs out with straight people because he is really into straight guys. He will even go home with straight couple to get to the staight guy. I think he needs professional help LOL

Oh, that was another thing this guy used to do. He made friends with this straight redneck college boy (a good 15-year age difference between him and my ex-roomie) and used to bring him home and watch straight porn with him in an attempt to seduce him. At one point, the roomie told him he was "bi," and the boy told him he was going to hell. I felt very uncomfortable with some of the people this guy let into the house.

Anyway, one night the boy comes over and he and roomie go into roomie's bedroom. About five minutes later, the boy storms out of the house and I never saw him again. I'm thinking the roommate tried something, and redneck boy didn't take kindly to it. :rolleyes:

[Wild_Heart03]

Nick, I love your avatar and I love "Little Lies" Christine in your sig. :nod:

thanks Hilary... gotta give credit where it's due, and plus I've been listening to a lot more of Christine's stuff lately. :)

[Johnny Stew]

I'm not totally "masculine" and I'm not totally "effeminate"... I'm just Brian, I guess.
Some people can figure out that I'm gay pretty quickly, while other folks never pick up on it.

My first boyfriend was fairly effeminate. I still remember my neighbor asking me who the girl was that he saw leaving my house early in the morning! :laugh: (For the record, I told him, "his name is Michael," and he dropped the subject right there.)

I've always preferred guys who, like myself, aren't too much of one or the other, and Joshua's just right on the masculine/effeminate scale. :nod:

[DavidMn]

I'm not totally "masculine" and I'm not totally "effeminate"... I'm just Brian, I guess.
Some people can figure out that I'm gay pretty quickly, while other folks never pick up on it.

My first boyfriend was fairly effeminate. I still remember my neighbor asking me who the girl was that he saw leaving my house early in the morning! :laugh: (For the record, I told him, "his name is Michael," and he dropped the subject right there.)

I've always preferred guys who, like myself, aren't too much of one or the other, and Joshua's just right on the masculine/effeminate scale. :nod:Well, just be who youare,thats what I say.:thumbsup:

[ryan8472]

DUDE ! You have a bf ? That is awesome !:thumbsup:
When did YOU get a bf? And not tell me. :laugh:
I know - our little Ledgie is all grown up - where did the time fly off to?

So, Ryan, spill - how long? Is it cool in your school or are you all not out? Not to sound patriarchal, but considering I am at at least 20 years older - it must be so much easier nowadays to be gay and your age. It certainly was not a few decades ago.
Sorry guys, I fell asleep around 7 PM last night. And of course, my punishment for that is waking up at 2 AM. :laugh:

So anyways ~ Yeah...I have a boyfriend :o :p We've been going out for like, a week, and his name is Brad. And he's younger than me. :eek: :D (Like he's 16 and I'm 17, Junior and Senior; I'm no pervert :laugh: ) But we've known each other for a while.

Being gay, actually, still is not widely accepted in my school. We've got a lot of real pricks here that would probably try and make our lives suck as much as possible, so we try not to show it too much. Most of my friends know I'm gay tho. But that's it. It's still not easy.

I always assumed that it was this way in most CT towns, until I read about a boy from Shelton, CT who was voted Prom Princess for this year. :p I was quite happy when I heard that. :nod:

[ryan8472]

I'm happy for you two, Ryan! :thumbsup: :D :wavey: :xoxo:

Oh don't worry-you can be "Ledge Prince," if that other person in Shelton could be Prom Princess (unless you'd prefer "Ledge Princess" :)).

P.S. If you're comfortable...Do you have any pictures of him to post? :)
Aww thanks Justin. :xoxo: PS - We need a hug smilie.

There are a few around here that deserve that resplendent title more than me. :p

Also: A picture of him? I have one, but its an arty black and white one of him wet. :laugh: (PPS - Not what you think. :laugh: ) I can post it if you want tho.

[ragandbone]

Dan Savage used to talk a lot (well, still does) in his Stranger column (Savage Love, syndicated) about the predominance of gay personal ads seeking "straight-acting" men.

He had a great audio piece in This American Life quite a few years ago. Here is the real Audio link, Savage's piece is Part 4, if you want to skip ahead.

http://www.thislife.org/ra/46.ram

The whole show is called "Sissies"

[ryan8472]

Wet? :shocked::laugh: Don't worry about it.
Yes...out-of-the-shower wet. You pervs. ;) :laugh: It isnt like a "revealing" shot or anything. Just him trying to be "sooo coool" and arty by taking a picture and making it black & white. :laugh: He tries too hard. Seriously. :laugh: :nod:

Here's the incredibly doofy boyfriend. :lol:
<img src="http://tinypic.com/f4l3s4.jpg" alt="Image hosted by TinyPic.com">

He'll be so incredibly embarrassed when I tell him that his mug is all over The Ledge. Like I care. :lol:

[Moony]

Ryan, he's too cute. Way to go :thumbsup:

[ragandbone]

Beautiful eyes, great smile, and doofy - you scored!
:wavey:

[ryan8472]

Ryan, he's too cute. Way to go :thumbsup:
Thanks! I know he is. :D




;)

[ryan8472]

LMAO! He's very cute, Ryan. :nod:

I like your boyfriend if he's so arty, oh yeah.
Teehee. <3 Franz Ferdinand. :]

Thanks for posting the picture--he has nothing to be embarrassed about. :)

P.S. Does he have the bird shot, or the tie shot or the destroying guitar shot? They should be in his possession.
I'm sure he's seen them. :laugh:

[ryan8472]

Beautiful eyes, great smile, and doofy - you scored!
:wavey:
Oh man, he DOES have the best, doofiest smile. And perfect teeth. It makes me sick. :laugh:

I'm going BACK to bed, you guys. Have to try and squeeze one more hour of sleep out. :laugh:

[Wild_Heart03]

Oh wow Ryan... he's a hottie! :laugh: way to go!

[ryan8472]

Oh wow Ryan... he's a hottie! :laugh: way to go!
Teehee....I know a few girls that may have a death warrant out for me now. ;) :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Teehee....I know a few girls that may have a death warrant out for me now. ;) :laugh:

LOL - how did you all meet?

and Congrats!

[JazmenFlowers]

As hard as it is to be "different" in any way in this world, we should all be nothing but accepting and supportive of our brothers and sisters. It always boggles my mind to see anyone in the glbt community criticize anyone else for being different when that's the very thing glbt communities face and fight every day.

[ontheEdgeof17]

As hard as it is to be "different" in any way in this world, we should all be nothing but accepting and supportive of our brothers and sisters. It always boggles my mind to see anyone in the glbt community criticize anyone else for being different when that's the very thing glbt communities face and fight every day.

Personally, I don't think I'm different than anyone else, and I despise being though of that way because I happen to be gay....but that's just me :p

[Jyqm]

Personally, I don't think I'm different than anyone else, and I despise being though of that way because I happen to be gay....but that's just me :p

Well ****, I'm straight, but I sure hope to god that I'm different from everybody else.

[JazmenFlowers]

Personally, I don't think I'm different than anyone else, and I despise being though of that way because I happen to be gay....but that's just me :p
well, you know what I meant - hence different in the quotation marks

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Sorry guys, I fell asleep around 7 PM last night. And of course, my punishment for that is waking up at 2 AM. :laugh:

So anyways ~ Yeah...I have a boyfriend :o :p We've been going out for like, a week, and his name is Brad. And he's younger than me. :eek: :D (Like he's 16 and I'm 17, Junior and Senior; I'm no pervert :laugh: ) But we've known each other for a while.

Being gay, actually, still is not widely accepted in my school. We've got a lot of real pricks here that would probably try and make our lives suck as much as possible, so we try not to show it too much. Most of my friends know I'm gay tho. But that's it. It's still not easy.

I always assumed that it was this way in most CT towns, until I read about a boy from Shelton, CT who was voted Prom Princess for this year. :p I was quite happy when I heard that. :nod:

Wow! Congrats on the new boyfriend. And major props to you for coming out at such a young age! Just so you know, half of the jocks in highschool will end up gay in college! TRUST ME...:lol:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

As hard as it is to be "different" in any way in this world, we should all be nothing but accepting and supportive of our brothers and sisters. It always boggles my mind to see anyone in the glbt community criticize anyone else for being different when that's the very thing glbt communities face and fight every day.

LIKE....gay republicans! :shocked: :mad: :p

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Personally, I don't think I'm different than anyone else, and I despise being though of that way because I happen to be gay....but that's just me :p

Well...eh! I disagree a bit...I understand what you are saying but still gay people are different are they? If not, then straight people must be different? Somebody HAS to be different! lol....

[strandinthewind]

Well...eh! I disagree a bit...I understand what you are saying but still gay people are different are they? If not, then straight people must be different? Somebody HAS to be different! lol....

Though I may share several things with many people, we are all different from each other - that is the point of being an individual. No one is exactly like me. Thus, your statement that somebody has to be different is illogical because no one is the same as another - thus we are all different. Moreover, to point to sexuality as this all defining difference is silly when so many other differences between people are there as well.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Though I may share several things with many people, we are all different from each other - that is the point of being an individual. No one is exactly like me. Thus, your statement that somebody has to be different is illogical because no one is the same as another - thus we are all different. Moreover, to point to sexuality as this all defining difference is silly when so many other differences between people are there as well.

Oh that is very true and I agree with you! :thumbsup:

But speaking JUST IN TERMS of sexuality...there is a difference, which is what makes gays gay and straights straight.

[cliffdweller]

Teehee....I know a few girls that may have a death warrant out for me now. ;) :laugh:

Exactly, like me :laugh:.

I'm married and way too old for him, oh yeah, and not a gay male :laugh:. He's cute!!

[DavidMn]

Thanks! I know he is. :D




;)It most definitely does NOT suck to be you. Good going sir...
:wavey:

[DavidMn]

It's like, I'm a huge sports nut, and on the other hand I love Stevie. I had a freind at the Saloon the other night tell me I defy desrciption. I really appriciated him saying that.

[ryan8472]

LOL - how did you all meet?

and Congrats!
Brad or the girls? :laugh:

I know all of them thru school.

[ryan8472]

Wow! Congrats on the new boyfriend. And major props to you for coming out at such a young age! Just so you know, half of the jocks in highschool will end up gay in college! TRUST ME...:lol:
So true. Sooooo truuuuuuuue. :lol:

PS - I'm totally in your sig. Thanks! :laugh:

[sparky]

So anyways ~ Yeah...I have a boyfriend :o :p We've been going out for like, a week, and his name is Brad. And he's younger than me. :eek: :D (Like he's 16 and I'm 17, Junior and Senior; I'm no pervert :laugh: ) But we've known each other for a while.



Atta Boy !


:blob1: :thumbsup:

Have fun, be good. Don't do anything Sparky wouldn't do.

That gives you a lot of of happy healthy options.:woohoo:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

So true. Sooooo truuuuuuuue. :lol:

PS - I'm totally in your sig. Thanks! :laugh:

It will be a funny experience. You will start hearing through the grape vine..."did you know that so and so is gay now..." and you can't help but laugh at the bastard who was such the homophobic bastard in HS!

God is good! ;)


And yes you are in my sig! I totally loved what you said! And of course in the fights I am the drunken bitch all by myself! LOL....that's cool!

I have that Ann Coulter-esq bitch quality to me...

Meaning...Cute, smart, funny, great dresser (especially in the shoes department)...BUT to those I don't like I am a blood thirsty banshee who is out for the kill....:thumbsup:

[GateandGarden]

It will be a funny experience. You will start hearing through the grape vine..."did you know that so and so is gay now..." and you can't help but laugh at the bastard who was such the homophobic bastard in HS!

God is good! ;)

Oh the irony.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Oh the irony.

oh the irony...lol

I was NOT a jock and I did NOT make fun of people who anybody thought was gay in HS! I'll admit that I DID hang out with the popular kids but I was not mean....well maybe to the people who didn't take a shower! :lol:

[GateandGarden]

oh the irony...lol

I was NOT a jock and I did NOT make fun of people who anybody thought was gay in HS! I'll admit that I DID hang out with the popular kids but I was not mean....well maybe to the people who didn't take a shower! :lol:Well, that's not exactly what I meant but I will let the sleeping dog lie, or however that goes. For now, anyway. :D

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Well, that's not exactly what I meant but I will let the sleeping dog lie, or however that goes. For now, anyway. :D

No. you have already said something Hil...SPEAK UP! :D :xoxo:

[GateandGarden]

No. you have already said something Hil...SPEAK UP! :D :xoxo:Eh, maybe on one of those nights when I've abandoned my academic responsibilities and feel like making trouble unnecessarily. :nod:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Eh, maybe on one of those nights when I've abandoned my academic responsibilities and feel like making trouble unnecessarily. :nod:

Hillary you can't do this! lol...say what you feel...

You do know that I am gay right? GAY GAY GAY! :wavey: :D :laugh:

[dissention]

You do know that I am gay right?

From the moment you joined.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

From the moment you joined.

OF COURSE!

You always knew that I didn't want to bang Ann Coulter...

I WANTED TO BE Ann Coulter! :laugh: :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

Hillary you can't do this! lol...say what you feel...

You do know that I am gay right? GAY GAY GAY! :wavey: :D :laugh:

So, we have gone from bi to GAY GAY GAY! in all of, what, a week - ahhh the steps are working. Where is Tower with my tissue.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

So, we have gone from bi to GAY GAY GAY! in all of, what, a week - ahhh the steps are working. Where is Tower with my tissue.

Hey these are things I have been talking about with Ken...

But I figured what the hell if I can't rely on the rest of the ledgies who can I rely on!

Don't think I still aint a Republican...;)

[ontheEdgeof17]

I WANTED TO BE Ann Coulter! :laugh: :wavey:

Well, you have a penis and adam's apple. You are 99.9% there.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Well, you have a penis and adam's apple. You are 99.9% there.

I knew that was coming...but I thought it would be from Josh!

[GateandGarden]

Well, you have a penis and adam's apple. You are 99.9% there.:lol::lol:

[ontheEdgeof17]

I knew that was coming...but I thought it would be from Josh!

He's too busy bashing the new Stevie pic.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

He's too busy bashing the new Stevie pic.

Oh...

I thought it was a good pic...oh well

[GateandGarden]

Hillary you can't do this! lol...say what you feel...It's not all that difficult to tell what I'm thinking.

Besides, I'm a woman and if the ones I've obsessed over are any indication, they never tell you what they're thinking and feeling, anyway.

[dissention]

Oh...

I thought it was a good pic...oh well

You also think Priscilla Presley is hot these days, so I'll consider the source.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

It's not all that difficult to tell what I'm thinking.

Besides, I'm a woman and if the ones I've obsessed over are any indication, they never tell you what they're thinking and feeling, anyway.

LOL. Ok fine! :lol:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You also think Priscilla Presley is hot these days, so I'll consider the source.

Priscilla is a hot, shut your mouth! :wavey: :laugh:

[dissention]

Priscilla is a hot, shut your mouth! :wavey: :laugh:

It's a wonder she can shut hers after mutilating it like that.

[strandinthewind]

. . . Don't think I still aint a Republican...;)

The letting go of that comes with the religious persecution, the hyposcrisy, and the betrayal, which will all happen to you and soon.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

It's a wonder she can shut hers after mutilating it like that.

She has those chemical skin treatments...

As far as face lifts...MAYBE 2.

[strandinthewind]

You also think Priscilla Presley is hot these days, so I'll consider the source.

and you hate everything - consider that source Mr. Man :wavey:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

The letting go of that comes with the religious persecution, the hyposcrisy, and the betrayal, which will all happen to you and soon.

Wow then I wonder why there are still so many gay republicans?

Trust me...If I ever changed it would be to independent...because I WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER be a liberal!

[dissention]

She has those chemical skin treatments...

I have "those chemical skin treatments" and they don't make you look like **** run over twice, I can guarantee that. They remove dead skin.

As far as face lifts...MAYBE 2.

And I vote Republican.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I have "those chemical skin treatments" and they don't make you look like **** run over twice, I can guarantee that. They remove dead skin.

EWW! YOU have them...

No comment...


:lol: :lol: :lol:

[dissention]

Wow then I wonder why there are still so many gay republicans?

Yeah, the number of gay Republicans is monstrous. Those Log Cabin boys and girls wield quite the power stick in politics.

[strandinthewind]

Wow then I wonder why there are still so many gay republicans?

Boy, the party is BURSTING at the seams with them :laugh: Of course, the one gay speaker at the convention (Kolbe) got boos, back turning by several states, and people audibly praying for him for his heinous sins - and mind you he spoke on something like free trade and his gayness was not even discussed by him then. Nice group of friends. I think you should tell all of them you know right now that you like guys. I suspect you will lose many of them as friends, several will try to beat you up, and many will try to have sex with you after spitting on you. Again, time will demonstrate this to you.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Boy, the party is BURSTING at the seams with them :laugh: Of course, the one gay speaker at the convention (Kolbe) got boos, back turning by several states, and people audibly praying for him for his heinous sins - and mind you he spoke on something like free trade and his gayness was not even discussed by him then. Nice group of friends. I think you should tell all of them you know right now that you like guys. I suspect you will lose many of them as friends, several will try to beat you up, and many will try to have sex with you after spitting on you. Again, time will demonstrate this to you.

But I will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER be a democrat/liberal!

That is something THAT WILL NEVER change!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Yeah, the number of gay Republicans is monstrous. Those Log Cabin boys and girls wield quite the power stick in politics.

Ok well maybe not A LOT! But they are out there.

[dissention]

But I will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER be a democrat/liberal!

That is something THAT WILL NEVER change!

Thank the stars for that. You give liberals and Democrats a good poster child for what's wrong with the Republican party and modern conservatives. Thank you for your service.

[strandinthewind]

But I will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER be a democrat/liberal!

That is something THAT WILL NEVER change!

With all due respect, many Democrats are hardly liberals, though FIx News labels them as such. I am hardly a liberal and people misjudge me all of the time because any non religious conservative is automatically a huge liberal these days.

[dissention]

many Democrats are hardly liberals

I've been telling him that for as long as I can remember but nothing penetrates that skull of his.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Thank the stars for that. You give liberals and Democrats a good poster child for what's wrong with the Republican party and modern conservatives. Thank you for your service.

And Dick Gephardt is a fine example of what went wrong with YOUR party!

20 years ago....TRUE BLUE DOG

Now...only speaking for the Barbra Streisand’s of the world!


Your party has shut themselves out of the white house for the foreseeable future!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I've been telling him that for as long as I can remember but nothing penetrates that skull of his.

But the party is no longer speaking for the olympia snowe's anymore.

Besides I don't even agree with a very moderate democrat...so....

[strandinthewind]

I've been telling him that for as long as I can remember but nothing penetrates that skull of his.

I know - I mean I am for a that flat Federal tax with no exemptions I am always talking about, ending Affirmative Action based on anything but poverty, taking religion out of politics 100%, etc. and he calls me a liberal, which is just inaccurate.

[dissention]

And Dick Gephardt is a fine example of what went wrong with YOUR party!

20 years ago....TRUE BLUE DOG

Now...only speaking for the Barbra Streisand’s of the world!

Your party has shut themselves out of the white house for the foreseeable future!

Same old rhetoric from you, different day.

There must be some medication out there that you should be taking. I don't know how many times I have to tell you that I am not Democrat before it starts to sink in.

[strandinthewind]

But the party is no longer speaking for the olympia snowe's anymore.

Besides I don't even agree with a very moderate democrat...so....

. . . and you agree with W's theocracy and the move to implement one as soon as possible? You do realize in that theocracy, you will be a criminal and likely a felon every time you have sex? You do realize they do not like you no matter your adoration for them.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Same old rhetoric from you, different day.

There must be some medication out there that you should be taking. I don't know how many times I have to tell you that I am not Democrat before it starts to sink in.

Ohh that's right, sorry! I really did forget that...

It's just so hard when you sound like one...

[GateandGarden]

There must be some medication out there that you should be taking. I don't know how many times I have to tell you that I am not Democrat before it starts to sink in.:laugh::laugh:

I was just about to say "I know I shouldn't be speaking for people but Josh is NOT a Democrat," but then I realized that you would gladly point it out for the twentieth time. :lol:

[dissention]

But the party is no longer speaking for the olympia snowe's anymore.

The Republican party isn't speaking for the Olympia Snowe's anymore.

Besides I don't even agree with a very moderate democrat...so....

Because your a neocon who wants the tenets of Christianity to be made into laws that will effect everyone.

[strandinthewind]

Ohh that's right, sorry! I really did forget that...

It's just so hard when you sound like one...

that is because you have no concept of what the words liberal or Democrat mean. Instead, you have let people brainwash you into thinking it is anyone that does not agree with W, which is just untrue because W and his ilk are hardly conservatives.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

. . . and you agree with W's theocracy and the move to implement one as soon as possible? You do realize in that theocracy, you will be a criminal and likely a felon every time you have sex? You do realize they do not like you no matter your adoration for them.

Because I don't believe in government handouts, I am pro-life; I think affirmative action is racist...

Trust me; if I ever change it will be to an independent...NOT a democrat! If I have to hear about the damn unions one more time...:lol:

[The Tower]

So, we have gone from bi to GAY GAY GAY! in all of, what, a week - ahhh the steps are working. Where is Tower with my tissue.
He was never "bi" to begin with. "I have a girlfriend", my ass.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

that is because you have no concept of what the words liberal or Democrat mean. Instead, you have let people brainwash you into thinking it is anyone that does not agree with W, which is just untrue because W and his ilk are hardly conservatives.

No that is actually untrue. I don't know where you get that from.

Most conservatives are highly aware that W is by NO MEANS a true blue conservative and NEITHER was he dad!

[dissention]

It's just so hard when you sound like one...

I don't know what Democrats you listen to. The ones who voted for Shrub's tax cuts? The ones who voted for No Child Left Behind? The ones who voted for the war in Iraq? You wouldn't know anything about the current state of the Democratic if Hillary herself flew up and bit you in your self-satisifed keister.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

He was never "bi" to begin with. "I have a girlfriend", my ass.

I don't have a girlfiend...I haven't had one in a while.

[The Tower]

The letting go of that comes with the religious persecution, the hyposcrisy, and the betrayal, which will all happen to you and soon.
Yeah, the coming out to the parents and the priests ought to be interesting. Good luck to you, though!

[dissention]

Trust me; if I ever change it will be to an independent...NOT a democrat! If I have to hear about the damn unions one more time...:lol:

You said your father was a police officer. Is he not a union member?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I don't know what Democrats you listen to. The ones who voted for Shrub's tax cuts? The ones who voted for No Child Left Behind? The ones who voted for the war in Iraq? You wouldn't know anything about the current state of the Democratic if Hillary herself flew up and bit you in your self-satisifed keister.

The Democratic party has gone to hell!

Did I neglect to mention anything?

[GateandGarden]

It's just so hard when you sound like one...I don't think so. :shrug:

[dissention]

The Democratic party has gone to hell!

Did I neglect to mention anything?

A patented brand of neocon intelligence for you, everyone. Ain't it grand?

[The Tower]

I've been telling him that for as long as I can remember but nothing penetrates that skull of his.
I can think of one thing that penetrates his skull.....

[strandinthewind]

No that is actually untrue. I don't know where you get that from.

Most conservatives are highly aware that W is by NO MEANS a true blue conservative and NEITHER was he dad!

Those are the same people who want you in jail for your sinful sexuality. Do you thbink you can hide it from them your whole life or that your position in society makes you above the law. I can assure you it will not. But, you are young and think you are bulletproof. I suspect the comeuppence will happen soon though. The first time someone refuses you service or spits on or scorns you much less beats the crap out of you for being gay - your tune will change because I have seen it over and over again.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You said your father was a police officer. Is he not a union member?

Actually he is a detective now.

[dissention]

I can think of one thing that penetrates his skull.....

If I had ovaries, I would want to have your babies. :p

[strandinthewind]

A patented brand of neocon intelligence for you, everyone. Ain't it grand?

Yep - esp. since those in his inner circle want him dead and burning in Hell yesterday :shrug: and they are sooooooo indicative or over dispositive of less government and more autonomy :rolleyes:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Those are the same people who want you in jail for your sinful sexuality. Do you thbink you can hide it from them your whole life or that your position in society makes you above the law. I can assure you it will not. But, you are young and think you are bulletproof. I suspect the comeuppence will happen soon though. The first time someone refuses you service or spits on or scorns you much less beats the crap out of you for being gay - your tune will change because I have seen it over and over again.

And so the people who are going to "beat me up" are going to be all Republicans?

[dissention]

Actually he is a detective now.

In a police precinct? If so, he's a union member. Tell him you want to disband his union.

[strandinthewind]

And so the people who are going to "beat me up" are going to be all Republicans?

Yes.

Show me one Democrat who ever did anything like that. ONE

Conversly, the R's are the party of the skinheads because they cannot abide and D's, who they beat up as well and though they really hate W as well, though now that W is killing innocent Muslims by the hundreads of thousands, his rank has risen on their list.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

In a police precinct? If so, he's a union member. Tell him you want to disband his union.

My dad is a Rush Limbaugh loving conservative...you call him up and tell him that if you want...lol

[strandinthewind]

In a police precinct? If so, he's a union member. Tell him you want to disband his union.

and also tell him you are gay. It ought to be a nice Christmas then with everything out in the open and the discourse freely flowing.

[dissention]

My dad is a Rush Limbaugh loving conservative...you call him up and tell him that if you want...lol

Sure. I'll tell him you're a Mary while I'm at it. I'd love to gauge his reaction. And you still have yet to answer my question.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Yes.

Show me one Democrat who ever did anything like that. ONE

Conversly, the R's are the party of the skinheads because they cannot abide and D's, who they beat up as well and though they really hate W as well, though now that W is killing innocent Muslims by the hundreads of thousands, his rank has risen on their list.

I honestly REALLY REALLY do like you when you are not shooting off at the mouth!

But I'm just not even going to comment on the crap I just read above.

[strandinthewind]

My dad is a Rush Limbaugh loving conservative...you call him up and tell him that if you want...lol

Then he is hypocrite if he is in the union. Also, Rush is hardly a conservative, but he is a hypocrite on many levels what with his drug use and pushing and his acceptance of the ACLU's help to keep him out of the same jail he pushed for others less fortunate to go to. Nice :rolleyes:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Sure. I'll tell him you're a Mary while I'm at it. I'd love to gauge his reaction. And you still have yet to answer my question.

My dad would probably disown me...:distress: Sad but true...at least at first.

What questions is that.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

and also tell him you are gay. It ought to be a nice Christmas then with everything out in the open and the discourse freely flowing.

I would probably be kicked out dear...

[strandinthewind]

I honestly REALLY REALLY do like you when you are not shooting off at the mouth!

But I'm just not even going to comment on the crap I just read above.

Its true. Who do you think beat and killed Matthew Shepard? Do you think that was done by free thinking people. What about that poor boy they dragged to death I think while on fire in Texas? Do you think free thinking people did that? No, it was people like those in the R party now. The sad thing is you know I am correct but are too stubborn to admit it.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Its true. Who do you think beat and killed Matthew Shepard?

The republicans...it was all our fault! :rolleyes:

Two thugs beat a poor boy to death and it's my party's fault! :distress:

[strandinthewind]

I would probably be kicked out dear...

That is unfortunate. But, welcome to the world of being gay - and the longer you want to keep the R's in power, the more in the closet you will have to be lest you go to jail for having sex.

[dissention]

My dad would probably disown me...:distress: Sad but true...at least at first.

I suppose I should be grateful that my mother doesn't care who I sleep with and loves them as much as she loves me.

What questions is that.

Does your father work at a police precinct as a detective? If so, he's a union member.

[strandinthewind]

The republicans...it was all our fault! :rolleyes:

Well, when you have the so called Christian leaders of our country saying everyday that gay people are Satan incarnate and many of them advocating violence against them, it is a small leap to see where these hoods got their ideas from :shrug:

[dissention]

Two thugs beat a poor boy to death and it's my party's fault! :distress:

With all due respect, your party fosters those types of attitudes. Jesse Helms is one of the heroes of your party.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

That is unfortunate. But, welcome to the world of being gay - and the longer you want to keep the R's in power, the more in the closet you will have to be lest you go to jail for having sex.

So because specific groups are close-minded I have to sacrifice my other social and economical beliefs...that is unfair.

But I take that back, I don't think I would be kicked out! There would be tears, a huge fight and disappointment for a while...but I think it would pass in time. I have plans of coming out to my immediate family until I move FAR away!

[The Tower]

I don't have a girlfiend...I haven't had one in a while.
How long is "a while"? There's always this exchange from February:

I went with my girlfriend to the Liza's Back live at the Beacon in NYC in 2003, thats where I saw Chita...but yea she does look pretty good then for her age. I caught a look at David Guest though WHAT A FREAK!
Don't you mean boyfriend?:shocked:
No, I'm a guy! LOL...didn't you know this? Sorry.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

With all due respect, your party fosters those types of attitudes. Jesse Helms is one of the heroes of your party.

We don't foster a "kill all gays" attitude. They just think that a marriage should be between a man and a woman...I don't see a subliminal "kill all gays" message in that.

Trust me; I get what you are trying to say. But why should I have to compromise my other political beliefs all for the sake of one difference of opinion.

[strandinthewind]

So because specific groups are close-minded I have to sacrifice my other social and economical beliefs...that is unfair.

But I take that back, I don't think I would be kicked out! There would be tears, a huge fight and disappointment for a while...but I think it would pass in time. I have plans of coming out to my immediate family until I move FAR away!

Ahhh - but those ideals really are not the R party now in its present state are they. What has W done to achieve your goals and, whether you care to admit it, W and his ilk are the new R party. So, join them or get out because they do not want your kind at all. If you do not believe me, just read the Solicitor's and Amicus Briefs in the Lawrence decision. They will shock you.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

How long is "a while"? There's always this exchange from February:

well considering I went to see Liza in 2002...a while back! :lol:

and WOW, you are keeping track of me...*swoon* :lol:

[dissention]

So because specific groups are close-minded I have to sacrifice my other social and economical beliefs...that is unfair.

Aren't you the one who was talking about changing to an Independent less than ten minutes ago?

But I take that back, I don't think I would be kicked out! There would be tears, a huge fight and disappointment for a while...but I think it would pass in time. I have plans of coming out to my immediate family until I move FAR away!

Still planning on moving to the northeast? They'll probably think that us liberal scum up here tainted you.

[strandinthewind]

We don't foster a "kill all gays" attitude. They just think that a marriage should be between a man and a woman...I don't see a subliminal "kill all gays" message in that.


No, they think all sex is hetero and in a marriage or none at all. Capice?

Trust me; I get what you are trying to say. But why should I have to compromise my other political beliefs all for the sake of one difference of opinion.

On the whole, they represent none of your beliefs anymore. If so, let's see how they implement them, other than your beliefs on abortion, which are mostly irrelevant to the running of the country, which is all you profess you want the Feds. to do and with as little inteference in our private lives as possible.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Ahhh - but those ideals really are not the R party now in its present state are they. What has W done to achieve your goals and, whether you care to admit it, W and his ilk are the new R party. So, join them or get out because they do not want your kind at all. If you do not believe me, just read the Solicitor's and Amicus Briefs in the Lawrence decision. They will shock you.

Well I know W has done a terrible job at reducing government, protecting the borders, etc... (and now that guest-worker program isn't helping anything).

[strandinthewind]

Well I know W has done a terrible job at reducing government, protecting the borders, etc... (and now that guest-worker program isn't helping anything).

and he did it with the full wieght and bravada of the R party behind him didn't he? Thus, my point, the R represents none of your professed interest anymore.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

On the whole, they represent none of your beliefs anymore. If so, let's see how they implement them, other than your beliefs on abortion, which are mostly irrelevant to the running of the country, which is all you profess you want the Feds. to do and with as little inteference in our private lives as possible.

Well please tell me what some of my political beliefs are...

[Brwn_eyes0511]

and he did it with the full wieght and bravada of the R party behind him didn't he? Thus, my point, the R represents none of your professed interest anymore.

But we support him because of the USSC nomination...it is the MOST important thing he will do during his term in office...it sure as hell is more important than Bush himself...

[dissention]

Well please tell me what some of my political beliefs are...

All the Pepto Bismol in the Western hemisphere wouldn't aid me in typing them all out.

[strandinthewind]

Well please tell me what some of my political beliefs are...

Go back and read in this thread. I was going by that and W meets none of them - not one save for maybe abortion, which again is the least relevant in the big scheme of things.

[ELIUD]

I have both sissy friends and butch friends who I love dearly. So I just do things the old-fashioned way and hate people for their haircuts.

[strandinthewind]

But we support him because of the USSC nomination...it is the MOST important thing he will do during his term in office...it sure as hell is more important than Bush himself...

Yes, and your support of this man will make you sex like a felony in the near future. You do realize that don't you? Yet, you want him in.

[dissention]

My question still remains unanswered.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Aren't you the one who was talking about changing to an Independent less than ten minutes ago?

I said...IF...I was going to change it would be to an independent.



Still planning on moving to the northeast? They'll probably think that us liberal scum up here tainted you.

LOL. :lol:

If you can't taint someone like a CT born and raised Ann Coulter, then...

But seriously, If I did tell my parents they would be upset but not REALLY shocked...I think they somewhere deep down must have always known...

[Jyqm]

Trust me; I get what you are trying to say. But why should I have to compromise my other political beliefs all for the sake of one difference of opinion.

You have your own political beliefs?

Huh.

[strandinthewind]

. . . But seriously, If I did tell my parents they would be upset but not REALLY shocked...I think they somewhere deep down must have always known...

They would have to be blind not to dear.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Yes, and your support of this man will make you sex like a felony in the near future. You do realize that don't you? Yet, you want him in.

And you know this for a FACT?

Can I get a crystal ball like yours from Christmas!?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

They would have to be blind not to dear.

Hooker! :lol:

You don't even know me...

[dissention]

I said...IF...I was going to change it would be to an independent.

And how would doing so compromise your political beliefs? I'm just pointing out the lack of logic in your statements, man.

[strandinthewind]

And you know this for a FACT?

Can I get a crystal ball like yours from Christmas!?

Well, history and their current platform support me. Again, they argued to keep only homnosexual sodomy illegal (a misdeameanor in this case I think) - do you honestly think that will change. If so, you truly are naive or you think that because you are a white kid with friends they will never prosecute you, which is even more naive that I thought.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You have your own political beliefs?

Huh.

This is an A and B conversation...

[dissention]

My question still remains unanswered...

[strandinthewind]

Hooker! :lol:

You don't even know me...

All parents know.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Well, history and their current platform support me. Again, they argued to keep only homnosexual sodomy illegal (a misdeameanor in this case I think) - do you honestly think that will change. If so, you truly are naive or you think that because you are a white kid with friends they will never prosecute you, which is even more naive that I thought.

I am really not familiar with any of these laws so I can't comment. But how can they really enforce anything like that? When you are in your own property...

[strandinthewind]

And how would doing so compromise your political beliefs? I'm just pointing out the lack of logic in your statements, man.

He still thinks the R's will welcome him with open arms. If I were a sadist, I would like to be there for that rude awakening :eek: But, I wish that on no one no matter how naive and unwilling to learn.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

All parents know.

Hmmm...I've always wondered. You really think so?

[GateandGarden]

All parents know.I don't know about that. Mine swear they didn't. They actually thought one of my siblings was very brieftly, but that turned out not to be true. They really didn't think I was until I insisted and wouldn't back down about it.

[dissention]

Like squeezing cheese out of a stone, this is.

[strandinthewind]

I am really not familiar with any of these laws so I can't comment. But how can they really enforce anything like that? When you are in your own property...

How can you not be. Oy - here - read this


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights

and then this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas

Open your mind.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

And how would doing so compromise your political beliefs? I'm just pointing out the lack of logic in your statements, man.

I didn't say that switching to an independent WOULD compromise my beliefs. Are you on the same realm as the rest of us Josh? :shrug:

I said that being a DEMOCRATC would compromise my political beliefs.

[strandinthewind]

Hmmm...I've always wondered. You really think so?

I think on some level they do - but there are exceptions I guess.

[strandinthewind]

I didn't say that switching to an independent WOULD compromise my beliefs. Are you on the same realm as the rest of us Josh? :shrug:

I said that being a DEMOCRATC would compromise my political beliefs.

You do not even know what a Democrat is :shrug: or a current R for that matter.

[dissention]

I said that being a DEMOCRATC would compromise my political beliefs.

No, you didn't. This is what you said:

"So because specific groups are close-minded I have to sacrifice my other social and economical beliefs...that is unfair."

Implying that you shouldn't have to leave the Republican party because of "specific close-minded groups." To which I reminded you that registering as an Independent would not result in you sacrificing or compromising your "beliefs." Keep up!

[dissention]

You do not even know what a Democrat is :shrug:

Of course he doesn't. He calls them liberals!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

How can you not be. Oy - here - read this


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights

and then this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas

Open your mind.

You didn't have to post the Gay rights one...lol

And I am vaguely familiar with Lawrence v. Texas, but it was an interesting read (I'll read it thoroughly later tonight).

[Brwn_eyes0511]

No, you didn't. This is what you said:

"So because specific groups are close-minded I have to sacrifice my other social and economical beliefs...that is unfair."

Implying that you shouldn't have to leave the Republican party because of "specific close-minded groups." To which I reminded you that registering as an Independent would not result in you sacrificing or compromising your "beliefs." Keep up!

Well I don't understand why exactly I must LEAVE the Republican Party just due to one issue. Why not fight inside to change it? Why are there any gay Republicans at all then?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You do not even know what a Democrat is :shrug: or a current R for that matter.

I know exactly what a true democrat is. Zell Miller is a true democrat! Olympia Snowe is a true democrat! The Dick Gephardt of 20 years ago is a True Democrat.

[dissention]

Well I don't understand why exactly I must LEAVE the Republican Party just due to one issue. Why not fight inside to change it? Why are there any gay Republicans at all then?

Please enlighten me on how exactly you're fighting to change the Republican party so that they're more welcoming towards homosexuals. This should be rich.

I find it incredibly humorous that you're even talking about working towards change in that arena when the Republican base is made up of fundies and neocons. I.e. the people who think gays are sinners. They'd be perfectly content without you in their party.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Please enlighten me on how exactly you're fighting to change the Republican party so that they're more welcoming towards homosexuals. This should be rich.

I find it incredibly humorous that you're even talking about working towards change in that arena when the Republican base is made up of fundies and neocons. I.e. the people who think gays are sinners. They'd be perfectly content without you in their party.

I was asking simple questions expecting some kind of anwers but I get a smart a$$ comment? F*CK OFF JOSH!

[The Tower]

Well I don't understand why exactly I must LEAVE the Republican Party just due to one issue. Why not fight inside to change it? Why are there any gay Republicans at all then?
"Gay Republican" is an oxymoron. Those Log Cabin idiots are selling out gay rights for the almight dollar, plain and simple.

[The Tower]

How can you not be. Oy - here - read this


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights

and then this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas

Open your mind.
Yeah, I was gonna say- I can't believe claiming to be studying to be a paralegal that he has no clue about the Texas sodomy case. But, then I remembered the subject in question. OY!!!!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

"Gay Republican" is an oxymoron. Those Log Cabin idiots are selling out gay rights for the almight dollar, plain and simple.

And that is a grossly unfair characterization!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Yeah, I was gonna say- I can't believe claiming to be studying to be a paralegal that he has no clue about the Texas sodomy case. But, then I remembered the subject in question. OY!!!!

Excuse me for not being familiar with every aspect of the law! If I am the "subject in question" then why am I held up to such lofty expectations?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

It's funny how people turn out...

I went through a "Republican" phase when I was about 13-14. I also went to one of them holy-roller churches. Of course, I had no idea what I was doing or talking about...I was just desperate to hide the fact that I was gay. Brandon reminds me a little of myself then, only he appears to have taken it way further than I could've stomached.

It was rough. I didn't have anyone to talk to about any of this, so I'm glad that others do. :)

Yea thanks for the input. :rolleyes: I'll ask next time.

[The Tower]

And that is a grossly unfair characterization!
No it isn't. I've been a part of the gay community for the last twenty years. You've been gay for..... let's see maybe the last two hours?

"Gay Republicans" are so concentrated on the fiscal side of conservatism that they have no problems whatsoever screwing over themselves and their fellow gay brethren.

It's perfectly fine to deny gays the right to marry as long as they get a kickback (i.e. tax break) from the government. Fight from within my ass. The only fighting they do is for the right to hoard their money.

Excuse me for not being familiar with every aspect of the law! If I am the "subject in question" then why am I held up to such lofty expectations?
Since when has a Supreme Court decision that is the biggest civil rights success for the gay community in the history of the United States been "every aspect of the law"??? Lofty expectations?!!?! Pull your head out of your ass.

[amber]

Yeah, I was gonna say- I can't believe claiming to be studying to be a paralegal that he has no clue about the Texas sodomy case. But, then I remembered the subject in question. OY!!!!
um..it's not exactly like studying to be a lawyer. Just saying. We don't review tons of cases, we learn how to research cases, how to write about them for our lawyers to peruse, how to do paperwork that has to be served on people and filed in court, how to calendar, form citation - things like that. We do work with some cases, (I've had research classes every other semester) but usually the subject matter is limited by what the teacher gives you. And they are rarely sodomy cases.
:wavey:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

No it isn't. I've been a part of the gay community for the last twenty years. You've been gay for..... let's see maybe the last two hours?

"Gay Republicans" are so concentrated on the fiscal side of conservatism that they have no problems whatsoever screwing over themselves and their fellow gay brethren.

It's perfectly fine to deny gays the right to marry as long as they get a kickback (i.e. tax break) from the government. Fight from within my ass. The only fighting they do is for the right to hoard their money.

You know this is the last time I am open with any of you! Who would have thought that people in the gay community could be so f*cking close minded!!! I'm talking about ideas here and i get bias, smart a$$ remarks!

Just forget any of this thread please....


Since when has a Supreme Court decision that is the biggest civil rights success for the gay community in the history of the United States been "every aspect of the law"??? Lofty expectations?!!?! Pull your head out of your ass.

If you would actually read you would no that upon reading the link I stated that I was actually familiar with the case...just not a whole lot!

Why don't you put your head in your a$$!

[The Tower]

um..it's not exactly like studying to be a lawyer. Just saying. We don't review tons of cases, we learn how to research cases, how to write about them for our lawyers to peruse, how to do paperwork that has to be served on people and filed in court, how to calendar, form citation - things like that. We do work with some cases, (I've had research classes every other semester) but usually the subject matter is limited by what the teacher gives you. And they are rarely sodomy cases.
:wavey:
I would agree with you if said case was not the monumental Supreme Court decision that was mentioned. It's not like someone brought up some esoteric ruling from the 70's or something.

My point was, even regular old people know about the Texas sodomy case- I would think those that were even tangentially involved with the legal system would be aware of such a case.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

um..it's not exactly like studying to be a lawyer. Just saying. We don't review tons of cases, we learn how to research cases, how to write about them for our lawyers to peruse, how to do paperwork that has to be served on people and filed in court, how to calendar, form citation - things like that. We do work with some cases, (I've had research classes every other semester) but usually the subject matter is limited by what the teacher gives you. And they are rarely sodomy cases.
:wavey:

Thanks You!

Legal Research was the most boring class in the world! The second part of the class all we did was write memos every f*ckin week!

[Jyqm]

You know this is the last time I am open with any of you! Who would have thought that people in the gay community could be so f*cking close minded!!!

Amazing, isn't it? You try to keep them from obtaining just a few basic rights, and all they do is bitch bitch bitch...

[strandinthewind]

I was asking simple questions expecting some kind of anwers but I get a smart a$$ comment? F*CK OFF JOSH!

Now Now - temper temper - attacking Josh because he is correct is beneath you.

So, answer the question:

Please enlighten me on how exactly you're fighting to change the Republican party so that they're more welcoming towards homosexuals.

I mean you did not know the largest blow against social conservatism in a decade - the Lawrence decision. That indicates you have no idea what the R party is all about and can hardly work for change :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

"Gay Republican" is an oxymoron. Those Log Cabin idiots are selling out gay rights for the almight dollar, plain and simple.

With all due respect, I do know some that have actually chaged perceptions in their areas. So, they are working for change on that level. Will it work, probably not.

[strandinthewind]

um..it's not exactly like studying to be a lawyer. Just saying. We don't review tons of cases, we learn how to research cases, how to write about them for our lawyers to peruse, how to do paperwork that has to be served on people and filed in court, how to calendar, form citation - things like that. We do work with some cases, (I've had research classes every other semester) but usually the subject matter is limited by what the teacher gives you. And they are rarely sodomy cases.
:wavey:

While I agree with that, out little budding homo professes to know what the R party is all about and he does not know that little case, which set conservative social views back like ten years. I think that pseaks volumes regadless of paralegal studies :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

You know this is the last time I am open with any of you! Who would have thought that people in the gay community could be so f*cking close minded!!! I'm talking about ideas here and i get bias, smart a$$ remarks!

Just forget any of this thread please....




If you would actually read you would no that upon reading the link I stated that I was actually familiar with the case...just not a whole lot!

Why don't you put your head in your a$$!

You have reached the next step, which is "all of my life was a lie - what do I do now" It takes awhile to get through that one. But, you will and when you do, you will realize the present R hates you guts and has been lying to you. It sucks, but that is the way it is.

[strandinthewind]

Thanks You!

Legal Research was the most boring class in the world! The second part of the class all we did was write memos every f*ckin week!

LOL - any research appears to be a heavy burden on you :laugh: about that history book :laugh:

Also, as a paralegal, you will likely write five a week :shrug:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Now Now - temper temper - attacking Josh because he is correct is beneath you.

So, answer the question:

Please enlighten me on how exactly you're fighting to change the Republican party so that they're more welcoming towards homosexuals.

I mean you did not know the largest blow against social conservatism in a decade - the Lawrence decision. That indicates you have no idea what the R party is all about and can hardly work for change :shrug:

Josh is an a$$!

I didn't claim to be "fighting" to make a change. I just brought up the idea. I don't know maybe I was looking for some concrete ideas here.

Excuse me but I just have recently come to terms with an aspect of my life that I have long kept deep down inside. I am trying to understand why it is so unacceptable, in your view, to be a gay republican.

But all I am getting thus far is bitching and stupid smart a$$ remarks...my mistake.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

LOL - any research appears to be a heavy burden on you :laugh: about that history book :laugh:

Also, as a paralegal, you will likely write five a week :shrug:

:rolleyes: funny funny.

I'm not in a joking mood now.

[strandinthewind]

Josh is an a$$!

I didn't claim to be "fighting" to make a change. I just brought up the idea. I don't know maybe I was looking for some concrete ideas here.

Excuse me but I just have recently come to terms with an aspect of my life that I have long kept deep down inside. I am trying to understand why it is so unacceptable, in your view, to be a gay republican.

But all I am getting thus far is bitching and stupid smart a$$ remarks...my mistake.

Get off the cross. I am trying to help you. But, it is a little hard when you are so defiant and boorish when faced with the truth :shrug: Again, the R party hates you and wants you in jail - that is why it is unacceptable BTW anbd there are others. The sooner you realize and accept that, the better off you will be.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You have reached the next step, which is "all of my life was a lie - what do I do now" It takes awhile to get through that one. But, you will and when you do, you will realize the present R hates you guts and has been lying to you. It sucks, but that is the way it is.

You're input is no longer needed and it was a mistake even thinking I could ask...

[The Tower]

You know this is the last time I am open with any of you! Who would have thought that people in the gay community could be so f*cking close minded!!! I'm talking about ideas here and i get bias, smart a$$ remarks!
I you had a shred of humility you might realize that your hypocrisy has actually had a negative effect on some of the people from this board. You might take a step back and realize that you have some things to learn. You might look at the things you have posted and sincerely apologize for some the ignorant, disingenous things you have said. However, you have not done that and I doubt that you ever will.

I'm glad you're gay- and like I said, I have known since day one that you posted. You will find as time passes that being gay is a blessing and that all these things you are standing up for will dissappear into the air.

If you would actually read you would no that upon reading the link I stated that I was actually familiar with the case...just not a whole lot!
If you were familiar with the case, then why did you post this just one hour ago????
I am really not familiar with any of these laws so I can't comment. But how can they really enforce anything like that? When you are in your own property...
The whole basis for the Texas case to the Supreme Court was that the police broke into their house and arrested them for having consensual sex.

Why don't you put your head in your a$$!
Can't reach it.

[strandinthewind]

You're input is no longer needed and it was a mistake even thinking I could ask...

1. You never needed anything from me

and

2. You never asked for help and instead were smug and defiant, which is okay to be, but do not get put upon when people call you on that BS.

[The Tower]

With all due respect, I do know some that have actually chaged perceptions in their areas. So, they are working for change on that level. Will it work, probably not.
If any Log Cabin has "woken up", then they wouldn't be a Log Cabin anymore.

[strandinthewind]

If any Log Cabin hasn't "woken up", then they wouldn't be a Log Cabin anymore.

I only know what I have seen and Rome was not built in a day :shrug: I could not do it, but am glad they are at least trying because maybe one day it will have made a difference, which it has in the areas my friends have worked on.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

If any Log Cabin hasn't "woken up", then they wouldn't be a Log Cabin anymore.

And you wonder why I glare at my computer screen with amazement when I read ***** like this. You seem to think that all gays most agree with you in order to be a card carrying member!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

1. You never needed anything from me

and

2. You never asked for help and instead were smug and defiant, which is okay to be, but do not get put upon when people call you on that BS.

You're right I'm sorry.

I'm just aggravated right now.

[strandinthewind]

And you wonder why I glare at my computer screen with amazement when I read ***** like this. You seem to think that all gays most agree with you in order to be a card carrying member!

Well, he is pretty much 100% correct. Again, the R's want you in jail for a long long time for what you are. Have you accepted that is reason enough for you not to be one yet or are you still convinced that is either a lie or that if you are one of them, they will not put you in jail?

[The Tower]

And you wonder why I glare at my computer screen with amazement when I read ***** like this. You seem to think that all gays most agree with you in order to be a card carrying member!
Nope. It doesn't have anything to do with agreeing with me, it has everything to do with their actions which are detrimental to gay rights.

[strandinthewind]

You're right I'm sorry.

I'm just aggravated right now.

I know - apology accepted - I did not take it peronally. I get that if you are just out, then your former world is changing and that is scary.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I know - apology accepted - I did not take it peronally. I get that if you are just out, then your former world is changing and that is scary.

Yea it really is. But I can't tell my family...at least not now. And it is just silly and stupid and makes me angry!

[strandinthewind]

Yea it really is. But I can't tell my family...at least not now. And it is just silly and stupid and makes me angry!

Well, take it solwly and don't do something stupid like kill yourself.

[sparky]

I've been telling him that for as long as I can remember but nothing penetrates that skull of his.

:shocked:

Not going there.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Well, take it solwly and don't do something stupid like kill yourself.

Oh, see you really don't know me well yet...

If you did you would know that I LOVE MYSELF WAYYYY to much to do something like that! :laugh:

Serioulsy though, my faith in God keeps me going!

[strandinthewind]

Oh, see you really don't know me well yet...

If you did you would know that I LOVE MYSELF WAYYYY to much to do something like that! :laugh:

Serioulsy though, my faith in God keeps me going!

I just said that because many kids do and that is sad.

As for faith - whatever works for you, though your belief in organized religion will likely go after awhile as well. The reason I say that is the Catholic Church equated and still equates peds with gay people and then villified gay people as scapegoats for the the Church's own inaction in passing off peds to unsuspecting Parishes. That was just sick, unforgiveable, and the cause of pain for thousands of little boys and girls. Also, no Pentacostal Church will ever accept you and likely and literally will spit on you if you try. Finally, almost all organized religions will do everything they can to get that law making gay sex a crime passed and thus you a criminal who belongs in jail. Those are hard facts to comprehend when in your heart you feel God, which they claim to represent, is all loving, etc.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I just said that because many kids do and that is sad.

As for faith - whatever works for you, though your believe in organized religion will likely go after awhile as well. The reason I say that is the Catholic Church equated peds with gay people and then villified gay people as scapegoats for the the Church's own inaction in passing off peds to unsuspecting Parishes. That was just sick and mostly unforgiveable. Also, no Pentacostal Church will ever accept you and likely and literally will spit on you if you try. Finally, almost all organized religions will do everything they can to get that law making gay sex a crime passed and thus you a criminal who belongs in jail. Those are hard facts to comprehend when in your heart you feel God, which they claim to represent, is all loving, etc.

Yea I understand that! But that will never take away from my personal relationship with Jesus Christ! I will continue to label myself as a Catholic however seeing as how I believe in just about every other doctrine of faith.

[strandinthewind]

Yea I understand that! But that will never take away from my personal relationship with Jesus Christ! I will continue to label myself as a Catholic however seeing as how I believe in just about every other doctrine of faith.

Well, the Church does not really want you, but there are millions of gay Catholics who just turn a blind eye to it just like the vast majority of the other Catholics do with contraception, fidelity, etc. Thus, the term Cafeteria Catholics.

[irishgrl]

um..it's not exactly like studying to be a lawyer. Just saying. We don't review tons of cases, we learn how to research cases, how to write about them for our lawyers to peruse, how to do paperwork that has to be served on people and filed in court, how to calendar, form citation - things like that. We do work with some cases, (I've had research classes every other semester) but usually the subject matter is limited by what the teacher gives you. And they are rarely sodomy cases.
:wavey:
well its a Con Law topic? I mean I learned about it during MY classes???
Im just saying......

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Well, the Church does not really want you, but there are millions of gay Catholics who just turn a blind eye to it just like the vast majority of the other Catholics do with contraception, fidelity, etc. Thus, the term Cafeteria Catholics.

I understand that. But God DOES want me. And despite the fact that it may not have the most accurate interpretation of gays in the world, I still honestly believe that God works in many wonderful ways through the Church.

[strandinthewind]

I understand that. But God DOES want me. And despite the fact that it may not have the most accurate interpretation of gays in the world, I still honestly believe that God works in many wonderful ways through the Church.

I would not go that far - but I do think the RCC does a bunch of good work and much of it selflessly, mostly due to the likes of Mother Theresa - but even she was called out for refusing to teach birth control in India, which lead to the death and suffering of millions of mothers and children.

Also, I think God wants everyone, but I just do not subscribe to organized religion though I do love the Episcopal Church I was reared in.

[irishgrl]

Thanks You!

Legal Research was the most boring class in the world! The second part of the class all we did was write memos every f*ckin week!
Legal Research is my most FAVORITE thing to do in the whole WORLD! also, I LOVE briefing cases! If I could do that all day I would! sigh....only law school grads get to do that now, unless you are really lucky.....at least in my neck of the woods that is (and that included the Bay Area)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Legal Research is my most FAVORITE thing to do in the whole WORLD! also, I LOVE briefing cases! If I could do that all day I would! sigh....only law school grads get to do that now, unless you are really lucky.....at least in my neck of the woods that is (and that included the Bay Area)

Honey, you must have no life then! :lol: Just joking!

Now Corporate Law...THAT WAS FUN! Criminal Law...THAT WAS FUN! and Civil Litigation was pretty good too.

[dissention]

F*CK OFF JOSH!

Gladly.

Josh is an a$$!

If it took you that long to realize such a thing, I can only wonder how long it's going to take you to wise up to the Republican party.

[The Tower]

Yea it really is. But I can't tell my family...at least not now. And it is just silly and stupid and makes me angry!
I'm sure they already know.

Regardless of our disagreements, I want you to know that I hope that you make it through the coming out process in a good place. It can be very scary, and you realize that the world you live in is not the place you always thought it was. Be prepared to lose a lot of relationships that you thought were as tough as iron. Also, be prepared to be pleasantly surprised by the unexpected wisdom in places where you least expected to find it.

I wake up every morning with the joy that I am gay. You should feel proud to be part of such a wonderful, diverse community.

[irishgrl]

Im gonna jump in here and say that there are so many similarities between the bias against Gays and the effort to return women to second class status.

Again, for anyone who is interested: The Republican War Against Women by Tanya Meilich (who is herself a Repub, tho maybe not NOW!)

Brandon, my heart goes out to you, you have so many good qualities, among which are your obvious loyalty. Good for you. And hang on to your faith in God and the knowledge that he loves you. Just as you ARE. He made you after all.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I'm sure they already know.

Regardless of our disagreements, I want you to know that I hope that you make it through the coming out process in a good place. It can be very scary, and you realize that the world you live in is not the place you always thought it was. Be prepared to lose a lot of relationships that you thought were as tough as iron. Also, be prepared to be pleasantly surprised by the unexpected wisdom in places where you least expected to find it.

I wake up every morning with the joy that I am gay. You should feel proud to be part of such a wonderful, diverse community.

Thanks for the kind words!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Im gonna jump in here and say that there are so many similarities between the bias against Gays and the effort to return women to second class status.

Again, for anyone who is interested: The Republican War Against Women by Tanya Meilich (who is herself a Repub, tho maybe not NOW!)

Brandon, my heart goes out to you, you have so many good qualities, among which are your obvious loyalty. Good for you. And hang on to your faith in God and the knowledge that he loves you. Just as you ARE. He made you after all.

Thanks! :xoxo: :D

I will make it through this...I know I will and come out a better person on the other side!

There is a love that never fails
There is a healing that always prevails
There is a hope that whispers a vow
A promise to stay while we're working it out
So come with your love and wash over us

[Jyqm]

I am trying to understand why it is so unacceptable, in your view, to be a gay republican.

I know you like your labels, Brown Eyes. I know you love to be able to call yourself a Republican and a Catholic, and I've no doubt you'll soon get really into being Gay with a capital G. You like to have an institution or community to align yourself with so that you're not just standing out there alone with your beliefs or your identity. That's fine.

But take a second not to be offended by every mildly smart-ass remark that has been made in this thread, and you'll see a number of people have already tried to explain to you why it seems so paradoxical to label yourself a Gay Republican. Because even in the past five years the Republican party has repeatedly tried to prevent gays from obtaining equal rights, in addition to trying to strip them of some rights they already have. As a party and an institution, one of their goals is to maginalize, stigamtize and to a large extent criminalize homosexuality. You've said elsewhere that that's just "one issue." But if you are homosexual, I'd say that's one pretty damn big issue.

So you're a fiscal conservative? Fine. You believe in limited government? Great. That doesn't mean you have to align yourself with a party that is trying to criminalize your sexual identity. There's no reason for you to be loyal to such an institution. You can agree with them on economic and governmental issues and still oppose them vehemently when it comes to their vilifying your lifestyle.

Just get rid of the label and disassociate yourself from an institution that hates you. That doesn't mean you have to change any other of your political beliefs. It just means that you're admitting to yourself that this is not a party which has all the right answers, and not a party with which you can completely align yourself in good conscience.

Nothing wrong with having "NPA" printed on your voter registration card. It just means that you think for yourself.

And yeah, it's going to be really hard in the voting booth. Because the next time you're voting somebody into office, you might have to decide which is more important to you at that moment - your economic and political preferences, or your basic rights as a human being who happens to be gay. That choice is up to you, but odds are, in this two-party system, you're not going to be able to have it both ways. Good luck.