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[Johnny Stew]

I will make it through this...I know I will and come out a better person on the other side!That's absolutely right.

But let me impart one small piece of wisdom... never be afraid to admit to yourself or to others that an ideal or opinion that you've had was misguided, or was formed without enough life experience for it to be a truly well-rounded viewpoint.

It's easy to let the "straight viewpoint" that surrounds us, color our own views of what's supposedly right and wrong. And it's easy to get so hung up on "saving face," that we refuse to ever admit we were wrong.

Beyond that, just live a life that you can be proud of... always try to do right by others and yourself, and stay open to new ideas and viewpoints while remaining true to what feels right to you.

It's a rough road with no map to make it easier to navigate, but you'll be fine.

[DavidMn]

That's absolutely right.

But let me impart one small piece of wisdom... never be afraid to admit to yourself or to others that an ideal or opinion that you've had was misguided, or was formed without enough life experience for it to be a truly well-rounded viewpoint.

It's easy to let the "straight viewpoint" that surrounds us, color our own views of what's supposedly right and wrong. And it's easy to get so hung up on "saving face," that we refuse to ever admit we were wrong.

Beyond that, just live a life that you can be proud of... always try to do right by others and yourself, and stay open to new ideas and viewpoints while remaining true to what feels right to you.

It's a rough road with no map to make it easier to navigate, but you'll be fine.Well said!!

[GateandGarden]

So, Mr. Brown Eyes, when exactly did you make the transformation? I could have sworn that you said you "disagree with the gay lifestyle" sometime within the last few weeks. Although I tried to search for the post and found nothing. The search feature here is usually useless anyway so I must go straight to the source. That's you. Hello.and basically, being tired of this whole arguing crap, I asked a professor today her opinion on all of this and she said:

"You know if animals have gotten in right all these years, why can't we? If a dog knows what to hump, why can't we? Id like to think we are smarter than a dog."

Now that you know you're gay, Brandon, I hope you can think on how much that hurt me (and angered me) when you said it. Certainly we are all better than the worst things we've said and done, but it's still something to think on, IMO.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Now that you know you're gay, Brandon, I hope you can think on how much that hurt me (and angered me) when you said it. Certainly we are all better than the worst things we've said and done, but it's still something to think on, IMO.

First of all that was not a comment I made. That was a comment a professor of mine made...sorry that it offended you so much. :( :sorry:

[GateandGarden]

First of all that was not a comment I made. That was a comment a professor of mine made...sorry that it offended you so much. :( :sorry:I know that it was a professor (I included that part so that I wouldn't be misrepresenting you) but you did agree at the time. That whole era, as you know, is full of extremely homophobic comments.

I know that you're sorry and I'm glad that you've come to see things differently, but it is a relatively quick and dramatic change, I think. Just an observation, not a condemnation. :shrug:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I know you like your labels, Brown Eyes. I know you love to be able to call yourself a Republican and a Catholic, and I've no doubt you'll soon get really into being Gay with a capital G. You like to have an institution or community to align yourself with so that you're not just standing out there alone with your beliefs or your identity. That's fine.

But take a second not to be offended by every mildly smart-ass remark that has been made in this thread, and you'll see a number of people have already tried to explain to you why it seems so paradoxical to label yourself a Gay Republican. Because even in the past five years the Republican party has repeatedly tried to prevent gays from obtaining equal rights, in addition to trying to strip them of some rights they already have. As a party and an institution, one of their goals is to maginalize, stigamtize and to a large extent criminalize homosexuality. You've said elsewhere that that's just "one issue." But if you are homosexual, I'd say that's one pretty damn big issue.

So you're a fiscal conservative? Fine. You believe in limited government? Great. That doesn't mean you have to align yourself with a party that is trying to criminalize your sexual identity. There's no reason for you to be loyal to such an institution. You can agree with them on economic and governmental issues and still oppose them vehemently when it comes to their vilifying your lifestyle.

Just get rid of the label and disassociate yourself from an institution that hates you. That doesn't mean you have to change any other of your political beliefs. It just means that you're admitting to yourself that this is not a party which has all the right answers, and not a party with which you can completely align yourself in good conscience.

Nothing wrong with having "NPA" printed on your voter registration card. It just means that you think for yourself.

And yeah, it's going to be really hard in the voting booth. Because the next time you're voting somebody into office, you might have to decide which is more important to you at that moment - your economic and political preferences, or your basic rights as a human being who happens to be gay. That choice is up to you, but odds are, in this two-party system, you're not going to be able to have it both


You know you have no idea how right you probably are. I guess I have always felt the need to feel a part of some community and to label myself something. I suppose it sort of made me feel safe and protected. I guess I have just always clung to whatever came along (which I guess makes me somewhat pathetic)...I don't even really know who exactly I am anymore. I don't know what I stand for or why exactly this path has been chosen for me. But I suppose that mystery is a gift from God, I know that somewhere, somehow, and someday I will make be able to sort out all of this and find out WHO I AM and not just identify myself with whoever/whatever I associate myself with.

Perhaps I should just give up caring about politics all together and just concentrate on the one thing I know...love.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I know that it was a professor (I included that part so that I wouldn't be misrepresenting you) but you did agree at the time. That whole era, as you know, is full of extremely homophobic comments.

I know that you're sorry and I'm glad that you've come to see things differently, but it is a relatively quick and dramatic change, I think. Just an observation, not a condemnation. :shrug:

Eh..yea that was a bad time. Sorry I TRULY didn't mean to offend you or anyone else for that matter and it was just silly and stupid.

But how would your prefer me to come to grips with this...wait 5 years and then say, "oh yea I think I'm gay"? I mean this is something THAT I MYSELF am still getting used to. I am just now over the past couple of weeks admitting this to myself. I don't think this is something I can "ease" myself into. I finally have enough guts to say...you know what I AM GAY! I am a blunt person, so therefore I feel I must be totally honest with myself...now as far as telling family and friends...ehhh....now THAT will be a slow process. As of today you ledgies are the only people to know. I told Ken first and now I'm telling all of ya'll...

[ryan8472]

Can someone please tell me how this thread has become 14 pages long? 8 pages longer than it was a few hours ago?! :lol: :shocked:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Can someone please tell me how this thread has become 14 pages long? 8 pages longer than it was a few hours ago?! :lol: :shocked:

As usual dear it is because of me.

I usually make ONE comment and page numbers just multiply like bunnies (floppy, hoppy...BUNNIES! *shout out to Buffy fans*)

[DavidMn]

Can someone please tell me how this thread has become 14 pages long? 8 pages longer than it was a few hours ago?! :lol: :shocked:Lots of horny men. LoL
:lol: How was your weekend sir?

[irishgrl]

Can someone please tell me how this thread has become 14 pages long? 8 pages longer than it was a few hours ago?! :lol: :shocked:
it was a race to see how much we could write about YOU before you caught on of course :lol::wavey:

[Johnny Stew]

You know you have no idea how right you probably are. I guess I have always felt the need to feel a part of some community and to label myself something. I suppose it sort of made me feel safe and protected. I guess I have just always clung to whatever came along (which I guess makes me somewhat pathetic)...I don't even really know who exactly I am anymore. I don't know what I stand for or why exactly this path has been chosen for me. But I suppose that mystery is a gift from God, I know that somewhere, somehow, and someday I will make be able to sort out all of this and find out WHO I AM and not just identify myself with whoever/whatever I associate myself with.

Perhaps I should just give up caring about politics all together and just concentrate on the one thing I know...love.You're Brandon... that's the only label you'll ever need.

We're human -- we have a lot of leeway for changing, growing, and for adopting beliefs and opinions and then abandoning or adapting them as we learn and experience new things.
And as you go through life, you'll realize that certain values and belief systems that used to seem irreconcilable, can co-exist.

For example, I believe in and have a deep faith in God, and I was raised Catholic, yet I think that Christianity is one of the worst things to ever happen to humanity.

So just embrace the fact that you're an individual, and don't try to conform yourself to fit other people's labels.

"It's better to be hated for who you are, than loved for who you're not."

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You're Brandon... that's the only label you'll ever need.

We're human -- we have a lot of leeway for changing, growing, and for adopting beliefs and opinions and then abandoning or adapting them as we learn and experience new things.
And as you go through life, you'll realize that certain values and belief systems that used to seem irreconcilable, can co-exist.

For example, I believe in and have a deep faith in God, and I was raised Catholic, yet I think that Christianity is one of the worst things to ever happen to humanity.

So just embrace the fact that you're an individual, and don't try to conform yourself to fit other people's labels.

"It's better to be hated for who you are, than loved for who you're not."

Thanks again for the kind words. You are a very insightful person! :thumbsup: ;)

I hope I am able to do all of these things. I'm so use to just clinging to something...anything. I'm so scared I'm going to lose everything I've ever known...

[GateandGarden]

Eh..yea that was a bad time. Sorry I TRULY didn't mean to offend you or anyone else for that matter and it was just silly and stupid.

But how would your prefer me to come to grips with this...wait 5 years and then say, "oh yea I think I'm gay"? I mean this is something THAT I MYSELF am still getting used to. I am just now over the past couple of weeks admitting this to myself. I don't think this is something I can "ease" myself into. I finally have enough guts to say...you know what I AM GAY! I am a blunt person, so therefore I feel I must be totally honest with myself...now as far as telling family and friends...ehhh....now THAT will be a slow process. As of today you ledgies are the only people to know. I told Ken first and now I'm telling all of ya'll...I can understand what you're saying there. I felt that way...I pretty much still feel that way. I wouldn't want you to wait five years, no. My time as a repressed homosexual was too long; I'm sure you feel the same way and would even more so if you made yourself wait. I also completely understand needing to be blunt and honest. In addition to all of that, I understand your need to be a part of something, as you said a few posts ago. Mari has said before that the labels are unnecessary but I feel that I need to be gay (or whatever the case may be) rather than just me. I have to be able to explain why I feel the way I feel; I need a name for it. I need to know that there are others out there who are comparable to me in that way so that I have people to talk to about it. I think this is human nature, and especially in the case of young people, and we are both young.

It's just hard for me to get past your comments from only a few months ago. I went through a change myself but it was not so dramatic. I never thought that it was wrong to be gay, I just didn't want someone to tell me I was, or I was likely to stop speaking to the person. I never told anyone that he or she was going against God or nature by being gay, despite the fact that the idea of being that myself scared the hell out of me. I'm very tempted to make a comment about organized religion here. :shrug: I understand that you're not the only person who has been through that in just that way, though, so I suppose I am being unfair. But it's hard to say "all is forgiven" when comments like yours have been made.

It's very hard for me to have that stuff thrown on me. I always think I'm ready for it but then it comes and I realize I'm not. I'm getting better, but very slowly. Whenever Chris expresses his joy at his own homosexuality, I feel that I might cry. I don't think I can ever truly feel that way; I am far too tied to other people. I can't not think of the relatives of mine, for example who will NEVER accept that. Homosexuality can be joyful for me only under certain circumstances and there is no consistency with it. I am very angry much of the time. Though I can't relate directly, it is why I find myself identifying with Malcolm X so much. Some of your previous comments were added to the plethora of similar comments I hear regularly and sometimes it's just one more that is the straw that breaks the camel's back; the determinant that makes one either rest easily or cry herself to sleep. And there are people who are weaker than I am. That, to me, is a scary thought. There are people whose lives can be broken by a few strongly homophobic comments here and there.

But perhaps I am being very unfair to you because you have been trying to find yourself and what has happened is inevitable and maybe even beyond your control. But like you, I'm being honest and putting it out there. I know you have a lot of soul searching to do (as do I--it is probably nearly a lifelong process) and I really don't want to make it more difficult. Besides, maybe I am doing something thoroughly futile because what I'm talking about is water under the bridge, anyway.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I can understand what you're saying there. I felt that way...I pretty much still feel that way. I wouldn't want you to wait five years, no. My time as a repressed homosexual was too long; I'm sure you feel the same way and would even more so if you made yourself wait. I also completely understand needing to be blunt and honest. In addition to all of that, I understand your need to be a part of something, as you said a few posts ago. Mari has said before that the labels are unnecessary but I feel that I need to be gay (or whatever the case may be) rather than just me. I have to be able to explain why I feel the way I feel; I need a name for it. I need to know that there are others out there who are comparable to me in that way so that I have people to talk to about it. I think this is human nature, and especially in the case of young people, and we are both young.

It's just hard for me to get past your comments from only a few months ago. I went through a change myself but it was not so dramatic. I never thought that it was wrong to be gay, I just didn't want someone to tell me I was, or I was likely to stop speaking to the person. I never told anyone that he or she was going against God or nature by being gay, despite the fact that the idea of being that myself scared the hell out of me. I'm very tempted to make a comment about organized religion here. :shrug: I understand that you're not the only person who has been through that in just that way, though, so I suppose I am being unfair. But it's hard to say "all is forgiven" when comments like yours have been made.

It's very hard for me to have that stuff thrown on me. I always think I'm ready for it but then it comes and I realize I'm not. I'm getting better, but very slowly. Whenever Chris expresses his joy at his own homosexuality, I feel that I might cry. I don't think I can ever truly feel that way; I am far too tied to other people. I can't not think of the relatives of mine, for example who will NEVER accept that. Homosexuality can be joyful for me only under certain circumstances and there is no consistency with it. I am very angry much of the time. Though I can't relate directly, it is why I find myself identifying with Malcolm X so much. Some of your previous comments were added to the plethora of similar comments I hear regularly and sometimes it's just one more that is the straw that breaks the camel's back; the determinant that makes one either rest easily or cry herself to sleep. And there are people who are weaker than I am. That, to me, is a scary thought. There are people whose lives can be broken by a few strongly homophobic comments here and there.

But perhaps I am being very unfair to you because you have been trying to find yourself and what has happened is inevitable and maybe even beyond your control. But like you, I'm being honest and putting it out there. I know you have a lot of soul searching to do (as do I--it is probably nearly a lifelong process) and I really don't want to make it more difficult. Besides, maybe I am doing something thoroughly futile because what I'm talking about is water under the bridge, anyway.

Wow. Such a LONG POST HILLARY! :D

I'm afraid mine can't be as long, because I honestly don't know what to say to you. :shrug: I'm so sorry for anything that I said that was stupid or ignorant. I don't know how to make any transition without being dramatic! :lol: That is just me! But seriously, it's not really a change as much as it is an acceptance.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I'm honored that I have made someone despise me so much that he completely ingores my direct questions. But I will try one more time for the sake of closure, even though I am starting to piece together answers for myself now. Mr. Brown Eyes, you came to this conclusion within the last few days? Were you still very much against the idea a few weeks ago, or was that my over active hallucinations acting up again?

I think if you concentrate on the recent posts between Hillary and me, your questions will be answered. :wavey:

[JazmenFlowers]

Eh..yea that was a bad time. Sorry I TRULY didn't mean to offend you or anyone else for that matter and it was just silly and stupid.

But how would your prefer me to come to grips with this...wait 5 years and then say, "oh yea I think I'm gay"? I mean this is something THAT I MYSELF am still getting used to. I am just now over the past couple of weeks admitting this to myself. I don't think this is something I can "ease" myself into. I finally have enough guts to say...you know what I AM GAY! I am a blunt person, so therefore I feel I must be totally honest with myself...now as far as telling family and friends...ehhh....now THAT will be a slow process. As of today you ledgies are the only people to know. I told Ken first and now I'm telling all of ya'll...
Brandon - all past transgressions aside, I wish you only the best in finding out who you are and making the life YOU want. Your ideas and beliefs may change and that's part of life. Be proud of who you are. To me, being a kind, generous person to the best of your ability is all anyone can ask of you. No one is perfect...I think there are some great people here on the Ledge to talk to and befriend...and then there are asses that will be asses no matter what. I learn to steer away from them and let them say what they want and be as hateful as they want...you can always sign off and walk away from the computer...I've done that to several of your posts. Over on the Stevie Ledge there are people bickering back and forth over Stevie only doing this song or that song or not wearing this or that and yeah, I'd like to see the same thing they want to see...but I'm not hear to trash her or anyone in any way, or at least I try not to. I want to celebrate her music and appreciate what she has done and continues to do; bring great joy to my life no matter if she's in a damn garbage bag and farting and saying Rhiannon once (as a Ledgie said). And as Reba said (covering a great old song) "to thine own self, be true" and I think it's cheesy but very very applicable. Ehh, I guess that's all...

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Brandon - all past transgressions aside, I wish you only the best in finding out who you are and making the life YOU want. Your ideas and beliefs may change and that's part of life. Be proud of who you are. To me, being a kind, generous person to the best of your ability is all anyone can ask of you. No one is perfect...I think there are some great people here on the Ledge to talk to and befriend...and then there are asses that will be asses no matter what. I learn to steer away from them and let them say what they want and be as hateful as they want...you can always sign off and walk away from the computer...I've done that to several of your posts. Over on the Stevie Ledge there are people bickering back and forth over Stevie only doing this song or that song or not wearing this or that and yeah, I'd like to see the same thing they want to see...but I'm not hear to trash her or anyone in any way, or at least I try not to. I want to celebrate her music and appreciate what she has done and continues to do; bring great joy to my life no matter if she's in a damn garbage bag and farting and saying Rhiannon once (as a Ledgie said). And as Reba said (covering a great old song) "to thine own self, be true" and I think it's cheesy but very very applicable. Ehh, I guess that's all...

Thank you!

The last part made me laugh!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[GateandGarden]

And as Reba said (covering a great old song) "to thine own self, be true" and I think it's cheesy but very very applicable. Ehh, I guess that's all...Whoa, wait a minute! :laugh: Cheesy? :shocked: That's from Hamlet! (Okay, had to say that. :sorry: )

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Whoa, wait a minute! :laugh: Cheesy? :shocked: That's from Hamlet! (Okay, had to say that. :sorry: )


That's the part that made me laugh Hillary! :lol: :laugh:

British Lit. is one of my favs.

[GateandGarden]

Wow. Such a LONG POST HILLARY! :D

I'm afraid mine can't be as long, because I honestly don't know what to say to you. :shrug: I'm so sorry for anything that I said that was stupid or ignorant. I don't know how to make any transition without being dramatic! :lol: That is just me! But seriously, it's not really a change as much as it is an acceptance.Yeah, for some reason I'm under the impression that I have time on my hands to write long-ass posts. :lol:

It's okay that you don't have that much to say back; maybe I just needed to get it out and we can move on.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Yeah, for some reason I'm under the impression that I have time on my hands to write long-ass posts. :lol:

It's okay that you don't have that much to say back; maybe I just needed to get it out and we can move on.


Yea, I feel that it is always important to get everything out in the open in order to move forward!!! :cool:

[sparky]

"to thine own self, be true"

"Just be nice to the gentlemen, Fancy, and they'll be nice to you.":thumbsup:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

"Just be nice to the gentlemen, Fancy, and they'll be nice to you.":thumbsup:

It's REBA! And let me tell you something...that song is one of THE BEST country songs I HAVE EVER HEARD! Just watching the video makes you go..."Why the hell can't Reba win an oscar for this *****!!!" :lol:

[JazmenFlowers]

Whoa, wait a minute! :laugh: Cheesy? :shocked: That's from Hamlet! (Okay, had to say that. :sorry: )

I meant cheesy through the song, not from its original source. :lol: Shakespeare is anything but cheesy.

[Angel69]

It's something called a "penis", which women lack. Plain & simple. :) :laugh:

:laugh: I definatelty like my men masculine. Though some friends are way out there

[strandinthewind]

I also think many people here are a little skeptical of your new coming out, which is understandable given your track history and I do not mean that as an insult at al, just as an observation.

So, give it time and you better not be pulling our legs.

[JazmenFlowers]

"Just be nice to the gentlemen, Fancy, and they'll be nice to you.":thumbsup:
that's right! who sang that song originally...Vicki Lawrence?

- Fancy and Reba in that black fur coat turned a flame on in many a young boy

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I also think many people here are a little skeptical of your new coming out, which is understandable given your track history and I do not mean that as an insult at al, just as an observation.

I was thinking about that today. But I can assure you I am dead honest. Do you need to call me so I can explain it to you superman? lol

So, give it time and you better not be pulling our legs.

Ok I could take that somewhere nasty, but I'm not going to!

[macfanken]

I also think many people here are a little skeptical of your new coming out, which is understandable given your track history and I do not mean that as an insult at al, just as an observation.

So, give it time and you better not be pulling our legs.


Haha! I don't think there's any turning back now. :lol:

[strandinthewind]

I was thinking about that today. But I can assure you I am dead honest. Do you need to call me so I can explain it to you superman? lol

No, I believe you. And, more importantly, I believe in you.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Haha! I don't think there's any turning back now. :lol:

You can vouch for me, right. I am TELLING THE TRUTH! I mean, I don't tell lies when I'm drunk...so...:lol:

And no there is no turning back now...:laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

No, I believe you. And, more importantly, I believe in you.

awww...that was so sweet! :wavey: :xoxo: :D

[BTFLCHLD]

You can vouch for me, right. I am TELLING THE TRUTH! I mean, I don't tell lies when I'm drunk...so...:lol:

And no there is no turning back now...:laugh: well...
its just us that know...
is that what you wrote earlier?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

well...
its just us that know...
is that what you wrote earlier?

Correct...

I'm not that brave yet...

[BTFLCHLD]

Correct...

I'm not that brave yet...
what? no shut up like
you told me the other night? :lol:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

what? no shut up like
you told me the other night? :lol:

I told you to shut up? HUH? :sorry:

[Johnny Stew]

Whenever Chris expresses his joy at his own homosexuality, I feel that I might cry. I don't think I can ever truly feel that way; I am far too tied to other people. I can't not think of the relatives of mine, for example who will NEVER accept that. Homosexuality can be joyful for me only under certain circumstances and there is no consistency with it.Not everyone can or wants to walk away from their family and loved ones because of a difference of viewpoints regarding sexual orientation.

I come from a devoutly Catholic family, and I know the mindset... but that doesn't stop me from loving my family and wanting to be around them, while also loving myself and being proud of who I am.

But... it took a long time to come to that. It's one of those "previously irreconcilable" things that I mentioned to Brandon.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Not everyone can or wants to walk away from their family and loved ones because of a difference of viewpoints regarding sexual orientation.

I come from a devoutly Catholic family, and I know the mindset... but that doesn't stop me from loving my family and wanting to be around them, while also loving myself and being proud of who I am.

But... it took a long time to come to that. It's one of those "previously irreconcilable" things that I mentioned to Brandon.

I'm a big fat coward when it comes to that situation. GOD let me count the ways I love my family...but I would NEVER EVER come out to my parents except from a safe distance of 2000 miles across the country! :lol: I have specific family members that I know I could tell right this minute and they wouldn't love me any less...but others would be SHOCKED!

[BTFLCHLD]

I told you to shut up? HUH? :sorry:
yes when faced with the facts about curtis & ken :D

[GateandGarden]

Not everyone can or wants to walk away from their family and loved ones because of a difference of viewpoints regarding sexual orientation.

I come from a devoutly Catholic family, and I know the mindset... but that doesn't stop me from loving my family and wanting to be around them, while also loving myself and being proud of who I am.

But... it took a long time to come to that. It's one of those "previously irreconcilable" things that I mentioned to Brandon.I'm glad that you understand...and that you've managed to get past it. There is always hope for me somewhere down the line. Thank you. :xoxo:

[strandinthewind]

The most important thing to remember when telling any is that you are telling them for their information and not their approval. It is important both you and they know that.

[GateandGarden]

I meant cheesy through the song, not from its original source. :lol: Shakespeare is anything but cheesy.Yeah, I must say that I see your point.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

yes when faced with the facts about curtis & ken :D

Oh YES NOW I remember!

SHUT UP! :thumbsup:

[sparky]

that's right! who sang that song originally...Vicki Lawrence?

- Fancy and Reba in that black fur coat turned a flame on in many a young boy


Bobbie Gentry ! Wrote it and did the original, which if you haven't heard it, will blow your sequined socks off, Blanche. She also is responsible for Ode To Billie Joe. She is amazing.

I love your animated pic thing in your sig, BTW.

[macfanken]

yes when faced with the facts about curtis & ken :D


Are you stirring **** up?! :mad: :laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

The most important thing to remember when telling any is that you are telling them for their information and not their approval. It is important both you and they know that.

Which is why, again, I will be more than 100 miles away from the event. :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

It's REBA! And let me tell you something...that song is one of THE BEST country songs I HAVE EVER HEARD! Just watching the video makes you go..."Why the hell can't Reba win an oscar for this *****!!!" :lol:Reba Rules!!! That is all. :cool:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Are you stirring **** up?! :mad: :laugh:

YES SHE IS!

:laugh:

She knew that would piss me off!!!!

[macfanken]

I love your animated pic thing in your sig, BTW.

It's hypnotizing... I can't stop staring at it! Stevie could be in a shampoo commercial. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Which is why, again, I will be more than 100 miles away from the event. :laugh:

I meant in general when you tell anyone. Many people make the mistake of expecting approval or validation from other people. That is setting one's self up for a heartache as it may take some time. So, many suggest just telling people in terms of you do not want to exclude them from your life, but it is you, not their, life.

[GateandGarden]

Bobbie Gentry ! Wrote it and did the original, which if you haven't heard it, will blow your sequined socks off, Blanche. She also is responsible for Ode To Billie Joe. She is amazing.
I knew she wrote it and sang it, but I've never heard it. Sounds like I should check it out.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I meant in general when you tell anyone. Many people make the mistake of expecting approval or validation from other people. That is setting one's self up for a heartache as it may take some time. So, many suggest just telling people in terms of you do not want to exclude them from your life, but it is you, not their, life.

I'll keep that in mind...thanks! :thumbsup:

[strandinthewind]

I'll keep that in mind...thanks! :thumbsup:

So many people get roped into complying with their parents' wishes for cures, etc. There is no cure. You are what you are and all that is just BS.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

So many people get roped into complying with their parents' wishes for cures, etc. There is no cure. You are what you are and all that is just BS.

Ok we must talk sometime so you can really get to know me. Because If you think I believe in that "cure" ***** then you are wrong! :laugh: I like dick, they'll get over it...

[BTFLCHLD]

I love your animated pic thing in your sig, BTW.
well since i made it...thanks :wavey:
cant go wrong with the subject :cool:

[BTFLCHLD]

YES SHE IS!

:laugh:

She knew that would piss me off!!!!
i wouldnt be suprised if it was neither of you! :eek:

[BTFLCHLD]

i wouldnt be suprised if it was neither of you! :eek: i hope that made you cry :lol:

[JazmenFlowers]

I love your animated pic thing in your sig, BTW.
thanks - it's another lovely creation of BTFLCHLDs

[JazmenFlowers]

well since i made it...thanks :wavey:
cant go wrong with the subject :cool:
yes, you did and it is lovely - thanks :xoxo:

[heyjupiter678]

I knew she wrote it and sang it, but I've never heard it. Sounds like I should check it out.
http://s64.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2NJGAQ4B7CIF434CUUVQRKBG3G

:wavey:

It's much better than Reba's version, imo.

[GateandGarden]

http://s64.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2NJGAQ4B7CIF434CUUVQRKBG3G

:wavey:

It's much better than Reba's version, imo.Thanks! :)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

i hope that made you cry :lol:

IT DID! :distress: :(

:xoxo:

[Johnny Stew]

I'm glad that you understand...and that you've managed to get past it. There is always hope for me somewhere down the line. Thank you. :xoxo:There is absolutely hope for you, and for anyone else going through these things.

Trust me, I didn't think I'd EVER get to a place where I could say that I loved myself and that I was proud of who I am. My self-esteem was all but non-existant. And the slightest anti-gay comment from someone would crush me, and I'd be depressed about it for days or weeks. I very easily could have been another suicide statistic.

It's why I get so passionate about that kind of stuff now... I hate to see anyone else going through that God-awful self-doubt and utter self-hatred.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

There is absolutely hope for you, and for anyone else going through these things.

Trust me, I didn't think I'd EVER get to a place where I could say that I loved myself and that I was proud of who I am. My self-esteem was all but non-existant. And the slightest anti-gay comment from someone would crush me, and I'd be depressed about it for days or weeks. I very easily could have been another suicide statistic.

It's why I get so passionate about that kind of stuff now... I hate to see anyone else going through that God-awful self-doubt and utter self-hatred.

Self-doubt...VERY MUCH!

Self-hatred...NOT A CHANCE!

I know that God loves me and accepts me. :nod:

[BTFLCHLD]

IT DID! :distress: :(

:xoxo:
well cry s'more looks like your jizzy post was deleted...:shrug:



you perv :shocked:

[BTFLCHLD]

.i will address you once
in wondering why you care one way or the other

[Brwn_eyes0511]

well cry s'more looks like your jizzy post was deleted...:shrug:



you perv :shocked:

Really...oops! If I get a strike for it don't plan on seeing me again...cause I will be axed from the ledge for good! :sorry:

[BTFLCHLD]

Really...oops! If I get a strike for it don't plan on seeing me again...cause I will be axed from the ledge for good! :sorry: its like it never happened :thumbsup:

[sparky]

i will address you once
in wondering why you care one way or the other

I think it is because Bobo sees (almost) all and knows (almost) all.

Bobo is kind of like Yoda.

[dissention]

I think it is because Bobo sees (almost) all and knows (almost) all.

Bobo is kind of like Yoda.

Bobo is omniscient. We really haven't seen a lifeform such as Bobo ever before.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I think it is because Bobo sees (almost) all and knows (almost) all.

Bobo is kind of like Yoda.

Well Yoda sure don't know jack in this case...

[sparky]

Bobo is omniscient. We really haven't seen a lifeform such as Bobo ever before.

Where is my picture of Saffron ?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

One more question, Mr. Brown Eyes. Did you come out in this thread? It's been difficult to keep up with it, and I still don't even know for sure the answers to my previous questions. If so, I feel a great sense of accomplishment that you had the courage to do what you did in my very own thread. Especially since you despise me so. Anyhoo, keep on truckin'. Drink an alcoholic drink with an umbrella sticking out while keeping that pinky high in the air for all eternity.

I don't despise you!

I'm not too sure I understand you 70% of the time though.

[dissention]

Where is my picture of Saffron ?

I don't have one of her in her costume. :o I can try to scrounge up another one, though. I do have a priceless one of her at the vet and one of her sleeping in my mother's bed at her house. Or I could put her costume back on her tomorrow and take one.

[BTFLCHLD]

Or I could put her costume back on her tomorrow and take one. you better! i want to see too!

[amber]

I don't despise you!

I'm not too sure I understand you 70% of the time though.
Why don't you just answer his question?:confused:
And I hope you are thanking your lucky stars right now that you met each and every one of these people who have been so kind to you in this thread. They're helping you. Just because you're gay, and a human. Despite the fact that you have previously been both a raging a-hole (haven't we all? well, okay, not all) and also that you support, or have supported, or whichever you decide, everything that goes against their basic rights as humans. Heck, I'm grateful to them for you.
Congrats. I wish you as smooth a road as possible. Oh, and about belonging to something? My motto is usually "do whatever I want". Hope that helps. Strand is right, you should actually try to cultivate the mindset that you do not need anyone else's approval. Everyone should, but especially since you are gay, and apparently everyone you know will be against that, I suggest you take that advice to heart and soul. It will lessen the possibility of you being in a world of hurt.
:wavey:

[ontheEdgeof17]

And I hope you are thanking your lucky stars right now that you met each and every one of these people who have been so kind to you in this thread.

I'll be more nice to you if you come out. :xoxo: :laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Why don't you just answer his question?:confused:
And I hope you are thanking your lucky stars right now that you met each and every one of these people who have been so kind to you in this thread. They're helping you. Because you're gay. And despite the fact that you have previously been both a raging a-hole (haven't we all? well, okay, not all) and also that you support, or have supported, or whichever you decide, everything that goes against their basic rights as humans. Heck, I'm grateful to them for you.
Congrats. I wish you as smooth a road as possible. Oh, and about belonging to something? My motto is usually "do whatever I want". Hope that helps. Strand is right, you should actually try to cultivate the mindset that you do not need anyone else's approval. Everyone should, but especially since you are gay, and apparently everyone you know will be against that, I suggest you take that advice to heart and soul.
:wavey:

Honey I still don't know what his question IS! :lol:

Oh and I am much thankful to all those who have expressed kind words! And not everyone I know will be against me...just some.

[amber]

Honey I still don't know what his question IS! :lol:

Oh and I am much thankful to all those who have expressed kind words! And not everyone I know will be against me...just some.
He asked when you decided/told everyone you were gay. Then he asked "was it in this thread?"
If you're drunk, I understand why you didn't get his questions, otherwise they are pretty darn straightforward. Especially for Bobo.
*Just because you're gay now doesn't mean you can call me honey*

[BTFLCHLD]

you should actually try to cultivate the mindset that you do not need anyone else's approval. Everyone should, but especially since you are gay, and apparently everyone you know will be against that, I suggest you take that advice to heart and soul.
:wavey: maybe he is trying to and
whatever happened here keeps on coming back
again...and again to remind us all? :shrug:
why are we questioning his sexuality?
i dont get it

[amber]

I'll be more nice to you if you come out. :xoxo: :laugh:
Omigod, I was just thinking that. For one second. Not for reals. You know, like, you can't get the real love unless you come out...:laugh:
again - my life would be much easier if I was, I'm sure, but I still have to choose the weiner.

[amber]

maybe he is trying to and
whatever happened here keeps on coming back
again...and again to remind us all? :shrug:
why are we questioning his sexuality?
i dont get it
Because he's been talking about it the whole day? And yesterday? And, I understand if Bobo found it difficult to wade through the thread. Also, it's a very, very, very simple question.
I mean, I'm not THAT invested, if he doesn't answer I won't die, I just think it's weird. :wavey: :xoxo:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

He asked when you decided/told everyone you were gay. Then he asked "was it in this thread?"
If you're drunk, I understand why you didn't get his questions, otherwise they are pretty darn straightforward. Especially for Bobo.
*Just because you're gay now doesn't mean you can call me honey*

I am not drunk tonight. Perhaps just an idiot! :shrug:

To answer his question then...

I have told no one in my family that I am gay...the only people who know right now are you ledgies. I told Ken first...and I kind of worked my way into telling everyone else. I suppose though it was in this thread.

and sorry about the honey.....honey! :p :wavey:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I'll be more nice to you if you come out. :xoxo: :laugh:

Yea, thats it! :rolleyes:

[amber]

I am not drunk tonight. Perhaps just an idiot! :shrug:

To answer his question then...

I have told no one in my family that I am gay...the only people who know right now are you ledgies. I told Ken first...and I kind of worked my way into telling everyone else. I suppose though it was in this thread.

and sorry about the honey.....honey! :p :wavey:
I meant to add a laughy there, but you can't on edit. Or if you can, I don't know about it.
But still...

[Brwn_eyes0511]

That doesn't answer either of my questions! I didn't ask who, but when, and whether or not it was in this thread.

I just answered you!!! I said It was a gradual thing but I suppose that it was in this thread!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I meant to add a laughy there, but you can't on edit. Or if you can, I don't know about it.
But still...

You can on edit...you just have to "advance" it!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

My bad. You were very indirect about it. With words like "suppose". I need to lie down.

Ok. Sorry, I should have been more clear! ;)

[BTFLCHLD]

Because he's been talking about it the whole day? And yesterday? And, I understand if Bobo found it difficult to wade through the thread. Also, it's a very, very, very simple question.
I mean, I'm not THAT invested, if he doesn't answer I won't die, I just think it's weird. :wavey: :xoxo:
and i guess its wierd to me to be up for discussion
imo he has made it pretty clear he is gay
did we know it even before he did? (now that is wierd!)
maybe he's excited about it even
:shrug:

[GateandGarden]

I have received an anonymous tip from a source that suspects this is all a hoax. State your case, oh brown eyed one.It's time for a new smilie to be put into use on this board. I haven't found it yet. It would be the "Thank you, now I have a migraine" smilie.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I have received an anonymous tip from a source that suspects this is all a hoax. State your case, oh brown eyed one.

Oh Jesus...

you know what I have chosen to be honest with everyone and if you would like to think this is all some made up hoax you can.....

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I'm finally honest with people for once in my damn life and I get this...

[macfanken]

I think it is because Bobo sees (almost) all and knows (almost) all.

Bobo is kind of like Yoda.


Bobo is the anti-Yoda.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

It's time for a new smilie to be put into use on this board. I haven't found it yet. It would be the "Thank you, now I have a migraine" smilie.


I don't know who his source is....

this is just stupid.

[Johnny Stew]

and i guess its wierd to me to be up for discussion
imo he has made it pretty clear he is gayYeah, I agree. While he's said some regretable things in the past, he's definitely being put on the spot by people demanding explanations and retractions, etc.

He came out to all of us, which is a pretty big step unto itself and takes a certain amount of bravery. He then also apologized for things he's said that were hurtful.
I don't think it's fair to keep raking him over the coals or holding those things against him, and thankfully most people have been supportive.

[dissention]

Where is my picture of Saffron ?

Okay, here are some taken during the summer at my mother's house after I had taken Saffron to the vet. The quality got kinda crappy when I resized them.

http://www.geocities.com/rnareau/HPIM02551.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/rnareau/HPIM02541.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/rnareau/HPIM0256.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/rnareau/HPIM0265.JPG

[GateandGarden]

Okay, here are some taken during the summer at my mother's house after I had taken Saffron to the vet. The quality got kinda crappy when I resized them.So adorable!! :)

[ontheEdgeof17]

I don't know who his source is....

this is just stupid.

It's me.


Karma's a bitch. That's what you get for trying to get my man.


:lol:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

It's me.


Karma's a bitch. That's what you get for trying to get my man.


:lol:

:shocked:

First of all Karma is a big fat myth!

Second of all. I know I must look really good if I get you all jealous!

[ontheEdgeof17]

:shocked:

First of all Karma is a big fat myth!

Second of all. I know I must look really good if I get you all jealous!

Actually, you are giving me acid reflux.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Actually, you are giving me acid reflux.

Whatever works biotch! :p

[sparky]

I don't have one of her in her costume. :o I can try to scrounge up another one, though. I do have a priceless one of her at the vet and one of her sleeping in my mother's bed at her house. Or I could put her costume back on her tomorrow and take one.

Pretty please ? A special photo shoot ?
I'll send you some risque pictures of myself in return.
You know I will make it worth your while. :thumbsup:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Pretty please ? A special photo shoot ?
I'll send you some risque pictures of myself in return.
You know I will make it worth your while. :thumbsup:

DAMN! Just go buy a dog of your own...:laugh:

[sparky]

Okay, here are some taken during the summer at my mother's house after I had taken Saffron to the vet. The quality got kinda crappy when I resized them.

http://www.geocities.com/rnareau/HPIM02551.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/rnareau/HPIM02541.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/rnareau/HPIM0256.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/rnareau/HPIM0265.JPG

Why can't I see these ?

[amber]

You can on edit...you just have to "advance" it!
Advance? What's that?

My bad. You were very indirect about it. With words like "suppose". I need to lie down.
I noticed that too. But, I think it was in the last couple of days, maybe a week, that he's actually said stuff. :wavey:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Advance? What's that?

When you edit your post, you can chose an advance option or something so you can go back and put smilies in it!


I noticed that too. But, I think it was in the last couple of days, maybe a week, that he's actually said stuff. :wavey:

YEA! I mean the fact that I am lusting after Ken should be a BIG BIG BIG tip off that I ain't no straight boy! :lol:

[amber]

Yeah, I agree. While he's said some regretable things in the past, he's definitely being put on the spot by people demanding explanations and retractions, etc.

He came out to all of us, which is a pretty big step unto itself and takes a certain amount of bravery. He then also apologized for things he's said that were hurtful.
I don't think it's fair to keep raking him over the coals or holding those things against him, and thankfully most people have been supportive.

Please, dude, I mean pollyanna. *kiss*. People are just asking questions. Why should he be treated different than any other ledgie? And you know bitches would be doing the same thing if it was anyone else. Obviously not you, but you're not "bitchez". Plus, he was still an ass before. People just don't forget everything he ever said in one second because he's gay. Being gay doesn't wave a magical wand. And people have only been raking him over the coals for like, one or two days. Which I think is appropriate. He doesn't HAVE to answer, either, which it seems you are forgetting. :shrug:


OH, AND DISS! THERE WERE NO PICS IN YOUR DOG POST WHEN i LOOKED!!! You know I love me some vicarious dog...

[dissention]

Why can't I see these ?

How about this?

[amber]

When you edit your post, you can chose an advance option or something so you can go back and put smilies in it!




YEA! I mean the fact that I am lusting after Ken should be a BIG BIG BIG tip off that I ain't no straight boy! :lol:
I understand the word advance, I just don't know where it is. The option.
And quit talking about Curtie's boyfriend!!!!:laugh:

[sparky]

How about this?


OMG. I totally squealed and hooted.


This doesn't count for the picture trade though.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Please, dude, I mean pollyanna. *kiss*. People are just asking questions. Why should he be treated different than any other ledgie? And you know bitches would be doing the same thing if it was anyone else. Obviously not you, but you're not "bitchez". Plus, he was still an ass before. People just don't forget everything he ever said in one second because he's gay. Being gay doesn't wave a magical wand. And people have only been raking him over the coals for like, one or two days. Which I think is appropriate. He doesn't HAVE to answer, either, which it seems you are forgetting. :shrug:


OH, AND DISS! THERE WERE NO PICS IN YOUR DOG POST WHEN i LOOKED!!! You know I love me some vicarious dog...

Amber I agree with you too. You all have the freedom to rake me over the coals if you want too. I really don't have to answer...if i were making this all up. So I understand where you guys are coming from. I don't expect to be treated any differently just because I am gay! I still can be a hateful blood thirsty bitch! :laugh: :nod:

[amber]

How about this?

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
SOOOOOO CUTE!!!:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
I love weiner dogs, too, my uncle has them.
Absolutely irresistible. At least to me.
Thank you for letting me vicariously dog. I didn't get to pet any today, I was having withdrawals. :laugh:

[dissention]

And this one:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I understand the word advance, I just don't know where it is. The option.

SMART A$$ it is a button that says "GO ADVANCED" when you click the edit button...look for it!

And quit talking about Curtie's boyfriend!!!!:laugh:

I'm going to start ignoring all you sons a b*tches! :laugh: :xoxo:

[Johnny Stew]

First of all Karma is a big fat myth!No more or less so than the holy trinity or Adam & Eve. ;)

[GypsySorcerer]

And this one:
Simply adorable. :) :nod:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

No more or less so than the holy trinity or Adam & Eve. ;)

Hey, stop that! :lol: ;)

[BTFLCHLD]

raking him over the coals for like, one or two days... hasnt it been weeks...?

he said something then
he says something now

i dont know...
to me the topic is getting old

yea it would be easy to just not read it
cept it creeps in a lot so its harder to avoid

[sparky]

Bobo is the anti-Yoda.

I think Yoda would have the power to BE the anti-Yoda.

[dissention]

Simply adorable. :) :nod:

That flower blanket she's curled up next to is actually her Wizard of Oz quilt that I got for her off of QVC. :laugh:

[Moony]

What a vomit inducing thread.

[sparky]

What a vomit inducing thread.


Moony, have you been drinking ?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

What a vomit inducing thread.

Well amber here is another one of the "what a lying son of b*tch that Brandon is" people to continue the assault! :lol:

[BTFLCHLD]

How about this?
diss all that yap about cuddling under the covers
i thought you had a smaller dog! what a cutie!
reminds me of my shelly...total sweetheart

[Brwn_eyes0511]

And this one:

That is the cutest dog!!!

Well besides the sweet Bella Donna!!!!

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/p3chrmd/bella_2.gif" alt="Image hosted by Photobucket.com">

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/p3chrmd/alanna_bella.gif" alt="Image hosted by Photobucket.com">

[Moony]

Moony, have you been drinking ?
Nope. The only thing that saved me from puking in disgust was Diss's cute little weiner dog.

[dissention]

diss all that yap about cuddling under the covers
i thought you had a smaller dog! what a cutie!
reminds me of my shelly...total sweetheart

She's just over a foot long; she's a mini weenie dog. :laugh:

What kind of dog was Shelly?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Nope. The only thing that saved me from puking in disgust was Diss's cute little weiner dog.

Well at least I know I'm still hated regardless of who I like to f*ck! :D :thumbsup:

[BTFLCHLD]

She's just over a foot long; she's a mini weenie dog. :laugh:

What kind of dog was Shelly?
maybe its the view on this laptop
she looks huge!
i could go for a foot long weinie about now [smirk]

shelly is a shep mix

[BTFLCHLD]

She's just over a foot long; she's a mini weenie dog. :laugh:

What kind of dog was Shelly?
wow 2 hours of jake :D im happy

[GypsySorcerer]

i could go for a foot long weinie about now [smirk]

Ouch... ;)

[Johnny Stew]

Please, dude, I mean pollyanna. *kiss*. People are just asking questions. Why should he be treated different than any other ledgie? And you know bitches would be doing the same thing if it was anyone else. Obviously not you, but you're not "bitchez". Plus, he was still an ass before. People just don't forget everything he ever said in one second because he's gay. Being gay doesn't wave a magical wand. And people have only been raking him over the coals for like, one or two days. Which I think is appropriate. He doesn't HAVE to answer, either, which it seems you are forgetting. :shrug:I certainly know gay guys who are total assholes... being gay doesn't absolve one of serious personality flaws.
But obviously coming out wasn't an easy thing for Brandon, and I just don't see why he has to be railroaded into explaining himself more than he already had.

And, no, he doesn't HAVE to answer any of these questions, but when you have someone (Hi Bobo :wavey: ) repeatedly asking, "why haven't you answered my question?," in the midst of other people also asking for explanations, a person is bound to feel cornered or put on the spot.

I'll hand it to Brandon though... he seems to be a pretty good sport.

-- Johnny "Pollyanna" Stew

[ontheEdgeof17]

If I came out and said I was really straight, would you public humiliate me, too? I feel left out right now.

[Johnny Stew]

What a vomit inducing thread.We're no better than the people who wish us ill, if we can't find compassion for another human being.

[dissention]

wow 2 hours of jake :D im happy

Just two? He was on for three here! :laugh:

[amber]

I certainly know gay guys who are total assholes... being gay doesn't absolve one of serious personality flaws.
But obviously coming out wasn't an easy thing for Brandon, and I just don't see why he has to be railroaded into explaining himself more than he already had.

And, no, he doesn't HAVE to answer any of these questions, but when you have someone (Hi Bobo :wavey:) repeatedly asking, "why haven't you answered my question?," in the midst of other people also asking for explanations, a person is bound to feel cornered or put on the spot.

I'll hand it to Brandon though... he seems to be a pretty good sport.

-- Johnny "Pollyanna" Stew
Yeah, he is. Being a good sport.
Railroaded?!?! He's the one that's been talking about it for *at least* two days. I've barely read a post by him that doesn't talk about his crush on Ken, or some other gay thing. That being true, I hardly think he's being railroaded, or cornered. If he didn't want to talk about it, he shouldn't. And actually, Bobo's question was the most innocuous of all the posts. He basically asked "when did you out yourself as gay?" When. On the ledge. Hardly hostile, IMO.
If he's going to bring it up in the way, and quantity, that he has, he (and you) should not be suprised by all the Ledgies being their usual selves regarding this information. :shrug:

[dissention]

maybe its the view on this laptop
she looks huge!
i could go for a foot long weinie about now [smirk]

:lol: You're a hoot.

shelly is a shep mix

If you can ever upload a pic, show her to me! :xoxo:

[dissention]

And, no, he doesn't HAVE to answer any of these questions, but when you have someone (Hi Bobo :wavey: ) repeatedly asking, "why haven't you answered my question?," in the midst of other people also asking for explanations, a person is bound to feel cornered or put on the spot.

I just want the goddamned union question answered, man. :laugh:

[amber]

What a vomit inducing thread.
:D :D :D
I don't even have to say it, do I?
But I hope my couple posts also helped save you from the vomitorium.














*TWYMF*

[dissention]

Nope. The only thing that saved me from puking in disgust was Diss's cute little weiner dog.

:xoxo: :xoxo:

Your presence always classes up a thread, babe.

[BTFLCHLD]

If you can ever upload a pic, show her to me! :xoxo:
i have and i will again
shes a frisbee dog
i need to capture her when shes up 6ft
she is amazing with her tricks

[ontheEdgeof17]

You all need to see Stevie's pics from the horse race thingy....They are in the "On Sale Nov 15th" Thread.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I just want the goddamned union question answered, man. :laugh:

I thought I answered that. Yes my dad is a cop! lol...

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I certainly know gay guys who are total assholes... being gay doesn't absolve one of serious personality flaws.
But obviously coming out wasn't an easy thing for Brandon, and I just don't see why he has to be railroaded into explaining himself more than he already had.

And, no, he doesn't HAVE to answer any of these questions, but when you have someone (Hi Bobo :wavey: ) repeatedly asking, "why haven't you answered my question?," in the midst of other people also asking for explanations, a person is bound to feel cornered or put on the spot.

I'll hand it to Brandon though... he seems to be a pretty good sport.

-- Johnny "Pollyanna" Stew

Wow Johnny...thanks YET AGAIN! I didn't do anything to garner such kind words from you. So for that I think you! You are truly a sweety...:xoxo:

As for those who choose not to take me at face...errr...computer value, I suppose there isn't really anything I can do about that. :shrug:

[GateandGarden]

We're no better than the people who wish us ill, if we can't find compassion for another human being.I think there are other facets of this that you're not taking into consideration when typing a post like that.

[Moony]

:D :D :D
I don't even have to say it, do I?
But I hope my couple posts also helped save you from the vomitorium.
*TWYMF*
They were very good posts and points in my opinion, ambah :)

Your presence always classes up a thread, babe :xoxo: :xoxo: :xoxo:
Thanks Joshie :wavey:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I think there are other facets of this that you're not taking into consideration when typing a post like that.

I really want to take all of this back now...Because it's just becoming silly and no one believes me anyways...

Can we just delete the thread?

[dissention]

I really want to take all of this back now...Because it's just becoming silly and no one believes me anyways...

Can we just delete the thread?

I believe you. Not sure if that means much, but there you go.

[GateandGarden]

I really want to take all of this back now...Because it's just becoming silly and no one believes me anyways...

Can we just delete the thread?I really don't understand why my one-line comment compelled you to say that.

[Johnny Stew]

Yeah, he is. Being a good sport.
Railroaded?!?! He's the one that's been talking about it for *at least* two days. I've barely read a post by him that doesn't talk about his crush on Ken, or some other gay thing. That being true, I hardly think he's being railroaded, or cornered. If he didn't want to talk about it, he shouldn't. And actually, Bobo's question was the most innocuous of all the posts. He basically asked "when did you out yourself as gay?" When. On the ledge. Hardly hostile, IMO.
If he's going to bring it up in the way, and quantity, that he has, he (and you) should not be suprised by all the Ledgies being their usual selves regarding this information. :shrug:You don't see the difference between talking about something on your own, and talking about it because people are practically demanding that you do?

But, you're right... I guess I shouldn't be surprised at all that some folks are "being their usual selves."

[GypsySorcerer]

As for those who choose not to take me at face...errr...computer value, I suppose there isn't really anything I can do about that. :shrug:

Brandon, I truly wish you the best, and I sincerely hope you find happines in yourself. However, you have admitted in the past that you post to get a rise out of people, so perhaps that is why you are met with skepticism by some. :shrug: Regardless, I hope you won't be throwing around terms like "baby-killers" anymore.

[Moony]

I really want to take all of this back now...Because it's just becoming silly and no one believes me anyways...

Can we just delete the thread?
I never said I didn't believe you.

[amber]

I really want to take all of this back now...Because it's just becoming silly and no one believes me anyways...

Can we just delete the thread?
Yeah, I don't think we're talking about it cause we don't believe you. :shrug:
I believed you the minute I saw your Ann Miller, Judy Garland sig. :laugh:
So, I don't think not believing you is the issue. I think it's still your politics. :wavey:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I really don't understand why my one-line comment compelled you to say that.

No. It's not your comment dear. It's a combination of them! Like 20 some odd pages...

[GateandGarden]

But, you're right... I guess I shouldn't be surprised at all that some folks are "being their usual selves."I have to say with all honesty that I don't disrespect anyone's reactions in this thread. :shrug: I'm guessing you don't feel the same way.

[Beachwood Mac]

If I came out and said I was really straight, would you public humiliate me, too? I feel left out right now.

We've all seen you in the pink hoodie - not a chance you're straight so no humiliation for you!:p :D

[ontheEdgeof17]

No. It's not your comment dear. It's a combination of them! Like 20 some odd pages...

You're here
You're queer

We are over it.


:)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Brandon, I truly wish you the best, and I sincerely hope you find happines in yourself. However, you have admitted in the past that you post to get a rise out of people, so perhaps that is why you are met with skepticism by some. :shrug: Regardless, I hope you won't be throwing around terms like "baby-killers" anymore.

But I just wouldn't lie about something like this.

This is unlike other topics from the past. THIS IS ABOUT ME! I thought I was making a positive step by letting people know, granted its not the same as family or friends but it is something.

Jesus, I hope my parents don't react the same way when I eventually tell them! They will laugh at me and say "Son you are foolish, we know you are only kidding us!"....I guess I'll have to screw in front of people to get them to take me seriously! :laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Yeah, I don't think we're talking about it cause we don't believe you. :shrug:
I believed you the minute I saw your Ann Miller, Judy Garland sig. :laugh:
So, I don't think not believing you is the issue. I think it's still your politics. :wavey:

Oh, well f*ck that! Go hug all the Barbra Streisand's of the world....:wavey: :D

I think I'm just going to keep my nose out of politics for a while!

[amber]

You don't see the difference between talking about something on your own, and talking about it because people are practically demanding that you do?

But, you're right... I guess I shouldn't be surprised at all that some folks are "being their usual selves."
But, if you do talk about "something on your own" (here on the ledge) does that mean others are not supposed to respond? :confused: That's absurd. When you post/say something on a message board, the whole point is that people will respond to it. This board is not a vacuum. If he wanted to talk about it "on his own" he would use PM's. or the phone. or IM. Or something other than this massively public board, where everyone talks to each other and has opinions on everything. Although, I will say that people pressured him to answer "questions" but really, he had already answered those questions, the person just didn't see it, and didn't want to wade through the massive thread. :shrug: It's nothing he hadn't said before.
And yes, of course we'll be our usual selves. Because we're individuals. And don't we deserve compassion, too? Don't we all deserve to just be able to be ourselves, without judgement? :laugh:





*"High five, Amber!" "Why, thank you, Amber!"*

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You're here
You're queer

We are over it.


:)

Well thank you! :D Someone is catching on...

[Johnny Stew]

I think there are other facets of this that you're not taking into consideration when typing a post like that.I thought I had taken all things into consideration when I posted that. Unless there's something that escaped me.

[amber]

Oh, well f*ck that! Go hug all the Barbra Streisand's of the world....:wavey: :D

I think I'm just going to keep my nose out of politics for a while!
That's the best thing I've heard all week!!!
Oh, but who will everyone argue with???:distress: :laugh:

[GypsySorcerer]

But I just wouldn't lie about something like this.

This is unlike other topics from the past. THIS IS ABOUT ME! I thought I was making a positive step by letting people know, granted its not the same as family or friends but it is something.

Jesus, I hope my parents don't react the same way when I eventually tell them! They will laugh at me and say "Son you are foolish, we know you are only kidding us!"....I guess I'll have to screw in front of people to get them to take me seriously! :laugh:
I don't think you're lying. But you political discussion earlier was a little bizarre. But hey, it's the Ledge, so...:laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

That's the best thing I've heard all week!!!
Oh, but who will everyone argue with???:distress: :laugh:

Oh so you will miss that...awww.

Hmmm...I might sneak something in there every once in a while, but for the most part I'm going to try to stay out of it. I'm just now going through a process of figuring out who I am...I have no business commenting on other stuff.

[dissention]

But I just wouldn't lie about something like this.

This is unlike other topics from the past. THIS IS ABOUT ME! I thought I was making a positive step by letting people know, granted its not the same as family or friends but it is something.

Jesus, I hope my parents don't react the same way when I eventually tell them! They will laugh at me and say "Son you are foolish, we know you are only kidding us!"....I guess I'll have to screw in front of people to get them to take me seriously! :laugh:

Everything aside, I believe you and wish you nothing but the best when you make the decision to come out to your friends and family. It's not an easy decision to make and I would never want anyone, no matter how much I disagree with their politics, to feel unloved or unwanted for even a moment just because of their sexual orientation. I have not questioned your sexuality in this thread, I have not demanded answers from you about your sexuality, and I'm not going to. It's your business and considering that you are not "out and about," I wouldn't want to say anything to you or press you about anything that would make you feel more nervous about your sexuality than you already do. I just hope that when the day comes that you decide to tell your loved ones, you find acceptance. If you don't find it automatically, it's their loss, not yours.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I don't think you're lying. But you political discussion earlier was a little bizarre. But hey, it's the Ledge, so...:laugh:

Again...can't I QUESTION! lol

[amber]

But I just wouldn't lie about something like this.

This is unlike other topics from the past. THIS IS ABOUT ME! I thought I was making a positive step by letting people know, granted its not the same as family or friends but it is something.

Jesus, I hope my parents don't react the same way when I eventually tell them! They will laugh at me and say "Son you are foolish, we know you are only kidding us!"....I guess I'll have to screw in front of people to get them to take me seriously! :laugh:
You are making a positive step. And I believe that many people here offered you support and advice. And believed you. In fact, who didn't believe you? :shrug:
So get off the cross, and quit making **** up. You would be lucky if your parents reacted the way people here have. Just saying. Even though people are questioning your "gay politics", they've still been very supportive of your actual gayness, if not your politics. And they wouldn't have been supportive of your politics no matter if you were gay or not. Admit it. You felt the love. I even sent you some love and blessings. I'm not minimizing your difficult road, but I am saying you may be misinterpreting things people have said. ie = Gay - always good. Republican politics = always bad. See?

[GypsySorcerer]

Again...can't I QUESTION! lol
If you must. :laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Everything aside, I believe you and wish you nothing but the best when you make the decision to come out to your friends and family. It's not an easy decision to make and I would never want anyone, no matter how much I disagree with their politics, to feel unloved or unwanted for even a moment just because of their sexual orientation. I have not questioned your sexuality in this thread, I have not demanded answers from you about your sexuality, and I'm not going to. It's your business and considering that you are not "out and about," I wouldn't want to say anything to you or press you about anything that would make you feel more nervous about your sexuality than you already do. I just hope that when the day comes that you decide to tell your loved ones, you find acceptance. If you don't find it automatically, it's their loss, not yours.

OH JOSH! WHY did you have to go and be all sweet...:o

I'm so used to being a bitch towards you....:lol:

When that day comes that my family finds out...I'll try to instruct someone I can trust to post my funeral arrangements here on the ledge so you can all come if you want! :lol:

[BTFLCHLD]

must suck all this telling of how to be :rolleyes:

[Johnny Stew]

I have to say with all honesty that I don't disrespect anyone's reactions in this thread. :shrug: I'm guessing you don't feel the same way.I don't disrespect anyone or their feelings, but it seems like a flawed reaction to treat someone with insensitivity because of past comments that they seem to be genuinely sorry for.

Do we accept their apology and move forward, or do we hold past indiscretions against them for all time?

[amber]

Oh so you will miss that...awww.

Hmmm...I might sneak something in there every once in a while, but for the most part I'm going to try to stay out of it. I'm just now going through a process of figuring out who I am...I have no business commenting on other stuff.
No, I won't miss it, I hate it. :wavey: I think it's lame (for me). But others might....:laugh:

[GateandGarden]

I thought I had taken all things into consideration when I posted that. Unless there's something that escaped me.Not to seem rude at all, but it seems that it's only one point of view.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You are making a positive step. And I believe that many people here offered you support and advice. And believed you. In fact, who didn't believe you? :shrug:
So get off the cross, and quit making **** up. You would be lucky if your parents reacted the way people here have. Just saying. Even though people are questioning your "gay politics", they've still been very supportive of your actual gayness, if not your politics. And they wouldn't have been supportive of your politics no matter if you were gay or not. Admit it. You felt the love. I even sent you some love and blessings. I'm not minimizing your difficult road, but I am saying you may be misinterpreting things people have said. ie = Gay - always good. Republican politics = always bad. See?

Yea I did from some people. I guess I just got the impression that some did not believe me or something. :shrug: Do I have the makings of a drama queen already? :lol:

Maybe I was getting the politics/gayness thing confused.

Now you my dear can go hug a tree
That just ain't for me! :lol:

[dissention]

OH JOSH! WHY did you have to go and be all sweet...:o

I'm not a total prick, you know. I still have blood pumping through my veins, even if it is cold.

I'm so used to being a bitch towards you....:lol:

And posting Newsmax bull**** in my LJ. :woohoo:

[GateandGarden]

I don't disrespect anyone or their feelings, but it seems like a flawed reaction to treat someone with insensitivity because of past comments that they seem to be genuinely sorry for.

Do we accept their apology and move forward, or do we hold past indiscretions against them for all time?I see your point, but in an attempt to take other viewpoints into consideration, I have to say that it's not always that simple.

[dissention]

You know what, Sparky? We are both descendants of Nostradamus. I have just seen something that proves it.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I'm not a total prick, you know. I still have blood pumping through my veins, even if it is cold.

Well I never thought you were a TOTAL prick! And that goes both ways too you know. I have compassion too...:nod: Unless you are on my bad side...



Or if you are homeless :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Sorry had to throw that in there!



And posting Newsmax bull**** in my LJ. :woohoo:

You know you liked that *****!

[sparky]

You know what, Sparky? We are both descendants of Nostradamus. I have just seen something that proves it.

If you are talking about something OTHER than my last PM you must elaborate.

[dissention]

If you are talking about something OTHER than my last PM you must elaborate.

I just read it and, yes, that's what I'm talking about. :laugh:

[amber]

I'm not a total prick, you know. I still have blood pumping through my veins, even if it is cold.

Now I know the secret. Be a coming out young man.
That's like when I was trying to figure out how to be someone Stevie knew in a past life so I would be invited backstage. ei, it's never gonna happen.
:laugh: :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

But, if you do talk about "something on your own" (here on the ledge) does that mean others are not supposed to respond? :confused: That's absurd. When you post/say something on a message board, the whole point is that people will respond to it.Obviously.
But there's a difference between responding with support, and responding by asking for explanations and justifications (regarding his sexual orientation vs. his political beliefs).

I don't know... maybe I'm just feeling a little protective of him right now, knowing how painful the coming out process can be when you have religious and familial conflictions.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Now I know the secret. Be a coming out young man.
That's like when I was trying to figure out how to be someone Stevie knew in a past life so I would be invited backstage. ei, it's never gonna happen.
:laugh: :laugh:


you silly hooker! of course not!! :wavey: :xoxo:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Obviously.
But there's a difference between responding with support, and responding by asking for explanations and justifications (regarding his sexual orientation vs. his political beliefs).

I don't know... maybe I'm just feeling a little protective of him right now, knowing how painful the coming out process can be when you have religious and familial conflictions.

I really really like you! :xoxo:

God help me if I were to come out to a lot of my family right now...

I'd at least hope they would play "It Is Well with My Soul" at my funeral! :nod:

[BTFLCHLD]

I just read it and, yes, that's what I'm talking about. :laugh: yes thro in the mysterious PM
feel my pain :lol:

[Johnny Stew]

Everything aside.........I think this is now my all-time favorite post of yours. :)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

yes thro in the mysterious PM
feel my pain :lol:

Don't you love it how they have to rub it in our noses on the thread! they couldn't just mention it THROUGH the pm!!! ;) :lol:

[amber]

Obviously.
But there's a difference between responding with support, and responding by asking for explanations and justifications (regarding his sexual orientation vs. his political beliefs).

I don't know... maybe I'm just feeling a little protective of him right now, knowing how painful the coming out process can be when you have religious and familial conflictions.
That's good. That's nice. That's you.
Other people have different issues. :shrug: i was going to say a bunch more stuff, but really it's that simple. You have reacted how you will, and others have reacted how they will.
Honestly, I think people have been very respectful given Brown eyes's past statements, opinions here.
Bless you, and I wish you were my mom, but people are going to think differently than you about this, at least at the beginning. :xoxo:

[BTFLCHLD]

Don't you love it how they have to rub it in our noses on the thread! they couldn't just mention it THROUGH the pm!!! ;) :lol: lets take a moment to let our imaginations run wild :]

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I think this is now my all-time favorite post of yours. :)

MINE TOO! :D :xoxo:

[GateandGarden]

That's good. That's nice. That's you.
Other people have different issues. :shrug: i was going to say a bunch more stuff, but really it's that simple. You have reacted how you will, and others have reacted how they will.
Honestly, I think people have been very respectful given Brown eyes's past statements, opinions here.
Bless you, and I wish you were my mom, but people are going to think differently than you about this, at least at the beginning. :xoxo:Very nice post. :)

[BTFLCHLD]

my mom, but people are going to think differently than you about this, at least at the beginning. :xoxo:
ys pls tell me there is an end :thumbsup:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

lets take a moment to let our imaginations run wild :]

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

I don't want to let my imagination run TOO wild! I watched Black Christmas today! :eek: :eek: :eek:

[amber]

you silly hooker! of course not!! :wavey: :xoxo:
I wish I was one, cause I'd have a lot more money. In fact, that would be utilizing one of my best skills. :cool: If I could have stepped over the "line", I'd be a rich woman.
BTW, apropos of only this post, did you guys know there is a strip club in SF that is UNIONIZED??? (It's the Lusty Lady. I used to work around the block, and watch the people going in on their lunch hour. :laugh: )
how much does that rock?
mkay.

[dissention]

I think this is now my all-time favorite post of yours. :)

What was it before? :laugh:

[amber]

Very nice post. :)
Spanks, Hill. I was actually inspired by you, because you are so nice, and respectful, but even you had...uh..."things to express" about the whole sitch, if you know what I mean. :xoxo:

[BTFLCHLD]

I wish I was one, cause I'd have a lot more money. In fact, that would be utilizing one of my best skills. :cool: If I could have stepped over the "line", I'd be a rich woman.
BTW, apropos of only this post, did you guys know there is a strip club in SF that is UNIONIZED??? (It's the Lusty Lady. I used to work around the block, and watch the people going in on their lunch hour. :laugh: )
how much does that rock?
mkay. amber on the block
thats funny :cool:

[Johnny Stew]

Not to seem rude at all, but it seems that it's only one point of view.He's pissed me off in the past, and has angered me with comments that he's made that are hurtful (at least to those who haven't developed a thick skin yet).

But, wow, what's he supposed to do in order to be forgiven? He's decided to be honest about his sexual orientation, he's apologized for things he's said that were hurtful, he's admitted that he's confused by the confliction between what he was raised to believe and what he feels in his heart... to me, he sounds like a guy who, while he's made mistakes in the past, is trying to fix that.

Again, if we don't offer someone a little compassion, then we're no better than the people who want to keep us down. :shrug:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I wish I was one, cause I'd have a lot more money. In fact, that would be utilizing one of my best skills. :cool: If I could have stepped over the "line", I'd be a rich woman.
BTW, apropos of only this post, did you guys know there is a strip club in SF that is UNIONIZED??? (It's the Lusty Lady. I used to work around the block, and watch the people going in on their lunch hour. :laugh: )
how much does that rock?
mkay.

Alright now Fancy!

"...Then I got me a georgia mansion
In an elegant new york townhouse flat
And I ain’t done bad...(BACKGROUND SINGERS....NO SHE AIN'T DONE BAD!)"

[dissention]

MINE TOO! :D :xoxo:

Pffffffft. My Michael Brown joke from the other night is my personal favorite. I cracked myself up with that one. Actually, I'm laughing about it now.

[BTFLCHLD]

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

I don't want to let my imagination run TOO wild! I watched Black Christmas today! :eek: :eek: :eek:
ok... its time to stepoff the gay gay gay merryground anyways...
im sleepys :cool:
g'nite all!
:wavey:

[Johnny Stew]

That's good. That's nice. That's you.
Other people have different issues. :shrug: i was going to say a bunch more stuff, but really it's that simple. You have reacted how you will, and others have reacted how they will.
Honestly, I think people have been very respectful given Brown eyes's past statements, opinions here.
Bless you, and I wish you were my mom, but people are going to think differently than you about this, at least at the beginning. :xoxo:Maybe that's the thing... I underestimated the fact that some people just might not be ready to forgive him for his comments.

He sure seems to be trying though... folks could at least meet him halfway on that, rather than being inflexible.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Maybe that's the thing... I underestimated the fact that some people just might not be ready to forgive him for his comments.

He sure seems to be trying though... folks could at least meet him halfway on that, rather than being inflexible.

You are defending me and I like it! THANK YOU SO MUCH! I really don't deserve it though...

:xoxo: :xoxo: :xoxo:

[Johnny Stew]

What was it before? :laugh:I've actually had quite a few of them... I enjoy them best when you don't rest on your laurels. ;)

[amber]

Maybe that's the thing... I underestimated the fact that some people just might not be ready to forgive him for his comments.

He sure seems to be trying though... folks could at least meet him halfway on that, rather than being inflexible.
He hasn't rescinded his views, why would people not question him? Unless you are just talking about his gay views. He has rescinded those, but only like, 2 days ago. You have to give people time for discussion and closure. Like, for Hillary, and Towie, and whoever.
This all just happened days ago. And before, he insulted many. And besides that, he is still arguing for repub views. :shrug: It's fine for people to discuss their differences, and I think that even the people who are taking issue with what he says (about gay things, not politically) have been astonishingly polite.
But he is still fair game, politically. Just because he is gay now, doesn't make him any more logical or educated.
If you read back, can you honestly say that people were taking him to task for his gayness, rather than his political beliefs coupled with his gayness? I think not. :wavey:
And I think folks ARE meeting him halfway. As in "it's great that you're gay, but what about this political belief?" Again, no one has reviled him because he said he was gay. It was those other things. In short, and in light of his past comments, I think the people have been MORE THAN meeting him halfway.

[Johnny Stew]

You are defending me and I like it! THANK YOU SO MUCH! I really don't deserve it though...

:xoxo: :xoxo: :xoxo:You're welcome, Brandon.
I'm a big enough man to bury the hatchet (there's a double entendre in there somewhere ;) ), and I can tell that you're sincerely trying to make amends.

[Brad]

[QUOTE=ryan8472]There are a few around here that deserve that resplendent title more than me. :pQUOTE]


Wow...somebody's been studying his SAT hot words!:laugh:


Brad

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You're welcome, Brandon.
I'm a big enough man to bury the hatchet (there's a double entendre in there somewhere ;) ), and I can tell that you're sincerely trying to make amends.

OHH yes I caught that! I do love double entendres! :laugh:

I hope I am coming across as sincere and honest! That's all I can ask for :)

[Johnny Stew]

But he is still fair game, politically. Just because he is gay now, doesn't make him any more logical or educated.
If you read back, can you honestly say that people were taking him to task for his gayness, rather than his political beliefs coupled with his gayness? I think not. :wavey:
And I think folks ARE meeting him halfway. As in "it's great that you're gay, but what about this political belief?" Again, no one has reviled him because he said he was gay. It was those other things. In short, and in light of his past comments, I think the people have been MORE THAN meeting him halfway.You know, Amber, if he'd been out of the closet for a while and still possessed the political views that he has, then I would question him and challenge him. There was an interesting guy on Burnish.net, in his 40s I believe, gay, and a diehard Republican, and he and I debated on several occasions what I will always feel to be the illogical contradiction of being gay and Republican.

But the difference was that this gentleman was secure in his sexuality and had fully formed opinions based on decades of experience. Brandon's not in that position.

So, yeah, I think with Brandon's admission that he's gay and his statement that he's trying to reconcile what he was raised to believe, it's a little unfair to automatically start challenging him to explain and defend himself.

I think we should give the guy some room, without trying to make him take one side or the other right out of the gate.

[amber]

You know, Amber, if he'd been out of the closet for a while and still possessed the political views that he has, then I would question him and challenge him. There was an interesting guy on Burnish.net, in his 40s I believe, gay, and a diehard Republican, and he and I debated on several occasions what I will always feel to be the illogical contradiction of being gay and Republican.

But the difference was that this gentleman was secure in his sexuality and had fully formed opinions based on decades of experience. Brandon's not in that position.

So, yeah, I think with Brandon's admission that he's gay and his statement that he's trying to reconcile what he was raised to believe, it's a little unfair to automatically start challenging him to explain and defend himself.

I think we should give the guy some room, without trying to make him take one side or the other right out of the gate.

That's a good point, Stew.
Conversely, though, I'm sure you are logical enough to understand that in the first few days, some people may have some issues to resolve with him. It's just human nature. This is the initial phase, i think many were curious. And some were just still challenging him on his political beliefs.(Diss, Towie, Miscellaneous). And also, many who were previously challenging him on his political beliefs were now being very supportive and kind to him (Strand, Hilly, Diss)
So, I guess my point is that what is happening now is perfectly understandable. I assume you acknowledge that he has not yet changed his political beliefs? :shrug: And also that people in the thread have been very compassionate?
It's like, If i was suddenly gay, people would still remember when I was once an asshole.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Boy, what an extremely odd day!

I'm going to bed...

I totally missed out on Halloween...:( :laugh:

Goodnight all...:wavey:

[Johnny Stew]

That's a good point, Stew.
Conversely, though, I'm sure you are logical enough to understand that in the first few days, some people may have some issues to resolve with him. It's just human nature. This is the initial phase, i think many were curious. And some were just still challenging him on his political beliefs.(Diss, Towie, Miscellaneous). And also, many who were previously challenging him on his political beliefs were now being very supportive and kind to him (Strand, Hilly, Diss)
So, I guess my point is that what is happening now is perfectly understandable. I assume you acknowledge that he has not yet changed his political beliefs? :shrug: And also that people in the thread have been very compassionate?
It's like, If i was suddenly gay, people would still remember when I was once an asshole.A lot of people... the majority of people, in fact... were very sweet to him, and I thought dissention's comments were the sweetest of all, considering their somewhat adversarial relationship.

I just felt like maybe he should have some breathing room from having to reconcile his sexual orientation and his political beliefs not only in his own mind but to us as well.

Like I said, I was feeling protective of him, because of my own first-hand experiences (and those of more than one friend) with trying to make sense of the confliction between what some of us are raised to believe and what we feel in our hearts.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

A lot of people... the majority of people, in fact... were very sweet to him, and I thought dissention's comments were the sweetest of all, considering their somewhat adversarial relationship.

I just felt like maybe he should have some breathing room from having to reconcile his sexual orientation and his political beliefs not only in his own mind but to us as well.

Like I said, I was feeling protective of him, because of my own first-hand experiences (and those of more than one friend) with trying to make sense of the confliction between what some of us are raised to believe and what we feel in our hearts.

You are going to have to stop!!! :laugh: You are TOO GOOD!

I <3 you for all of this! THANKS! :D :thumbsup:


OK! NOW I am going to bed...night!

[tynan88]

Good night!

[amber]

A lot of people... the majority of people, in fact... were very sweet to him, and I thought dissention's comments were the sweetest of all, considering their somewhat adversarial relationship.

I just felt like maybe he should have some breathing room from having to reconcile his sexual orientation and his political beliefs not only in his own mind but to us as well.

Like I said, I was feeling protective of him, because of my own first-hand experiences (and those of more than one friend) with trying to make sense of the confliction between what some of us are raised to believe and what we feel in our hearts.
You are right about breathing room, but he seems not to want it so much just now. He seems to want to talk. And I think many people have been helping with that. But still. Perhaps that is a good point. I have never been gay. :shrug:
Except that one time in Highschool when my mom asked me if I was a lesbian - because I didn't have a BF...:shocked:
Awkward. :laugh:
I appreciate your compassion gleaned from your own experiences. You may have something extra to offer, too, because you are Catholic.
But still, member when he was an ass? right in this thread??:laugh:
Yes, yes, Dissention is very sweet. :p To Brn Eyes.
You know if he continues to make political statements in the same vein as he has, that there will be arguments, though. :shrug: But I think now we both agree, as far as just the gay thing goes, people have been pretty supportive.
"pretty supportive" :rolleyes:
God, is there a "gayer" place to come out??!?!? I would doubt it! :laugh: You practically get a VIP pass to....something...if you are gay here...

[BombaySapphire3]

Wild thread.The gay conservative republican thing has always bothered me too.I couldn't be in a relationship with one .but I have one as a friend which would have been unthinkable to me when I was younger and so very idealistic .I'm ashamed to admit when I was in my early 20s I even got into a couple bar room fights with gay repubs down in San Diego where I went to college ,arguing over politics. (Those few on here that have seen me in person can imagine who won) I'm not a left winger because I'm gay .It is just an entire set of ideas of how people should treat each other that causes me to believe this way so I can now find the space to allow others to have their beliefs as well just so long as I'm not sharing a bed with them.:)

[Mari]

*snip* In addition to all of that, I understand your need to be a part of something, as you said a few posts ago. Mari has said before that the labels are unnecessary but I feel that I need to be gay (or whatever the case may be) rather than just me. I have to be able to explain why I feel the way I feel; I need a name for it. I need to know that there are others out there who are comparable to me in that way so that I have people to talk to about it. I think this is human nature, and especially in the case of young people, and we are both young.

Hm, I dunno what exactly I said because I can be pretty vague sometimes ;)
Maybe it's more a 'bi' thing, I think. I guess bisexuality is a bit like atheism to me: you fall under the bisexual label because you're not straight or gay, because you don't fit under the usual labels. Just like atheism as a concept/label only exists because there is 'theism'.
Nobody would bother to call themselves atheist if religion didn't exist, you know? But it does, as does exist the norm of heterosexuality. Therefore you're forced to give yourself the label by the norms of society.
Uh, does that make sense?

I completely understand the desire to belong with a group, I know those feelings too, but it's a lot less important to me than it was 7 years ago when I first recognised/acknowledged my own bi feelings. Maybe because you grow more comfortable with who you are, then it becomes less important.sigh. I need a date.
Another difference is the attitude of some gay people towards bisexuals. I tried, but didn't always feel part of that community. I don't know that many bisexuals, so I guess I'm my own 'community' because of it.
I know the situation in this country is different, most people I know have some prejudices about homo/bisexuality but when they know you are, they're pretty relaxed about it.

err, end rant. take care, all.

[ryan8472]

Lots of horny men. LoL
Apparently. :laugh:

:lol: How was your weekend sir?
Boring. Except for the Friendlies adventure....

I went to Friendlies with Brad and four other of our friends. To screw around with the waitress, we all ordered things not on the menu. :rolleyes: :laugh: Of course, I ordered the Spotted Dick. :p So, later in the evening, she brought me out a bananna covered in hot fudge and M&M's. And I just about died. :laugh: That was my excitement for the weekend.

[Jyqm]

You know you have no idea how right you probably are. I guess I have always felt the need to feel a part of some community and to label myself something. I suppose it sort of made me feel safe and protected. I guess I have just always clung to whatever came along (which I guess makes me somewhat pathetic)...

No, it doesn't make you pathetic. It just means that to a large extent you've just been a kid trying to figure out who you are and where you stand and what you believe in life. Everybody likes to feel that they're part of a community, and almost everybody at one time or another likes the simplicity of being able to just assign a label to oneself. Some people don't outgrow that until they're in their 40s or 50s. Some people never outgrow it. So be proud of yourself that you're becoming aware of it when you're so young and have so much time to figure out who you really are. (I'm not sure why I'm talking to you like I'm so much older than you.)

I don't even really know who exactly I am anymore. I don't know what I stand for or why exactly this path has been chosen for me. But I suppose that mystery is a gift from God, I know that somewhere, somehow, and someday I will make be able to sort out all of this and find out WHO I AM and not just identify myself with whoever/whatever I associate myself with.

Bingo! See, you've already got that much figured out, which means you're halfway there.

Perhaps I should just give up caring about politics all together and just concentrate on the one thing I know...love.

Well, no, you don't have to do that. I hope you do continue to care about politics. But I also hope you start to think for yourself and figure out what you truly believe about politics, instead of just toeing the Republican party line and parroting everything Ann Coulter says.

[Jyqm]

I meant cheesy through the song, not from its original source. :lol: Shakespeare is anything but cheesy.

Oh, if only that were always true.

[GateandGarden]

Hm, I dunno what exactly I said because I can be pretty vague sometimes ;)
Maybe it's more a 'bi' thing, I think. I guess bisexuality is a bit like atheism to me: you fall under the bisexual label because you're not straight or gay, because you don't fit under the usual labels. Just like atheism as a concept/label only exists because there is 'theism'.
Nobody would bother to call themselves atheist if religion didn't exist, you know? But it does, as does exist the norm of heterosexuality. Therefore you're forced to give yourself the label by the norms of society.
Uh, does that make sense?

I completely understand the desire to belong with a group, I know those feelings too, but it's a lot less important to me than it was 7 years ago when I first recognised/acknowledged my own bi feelings. Maybe because you grow more comfortable with who you are, then it becomes less important.sigh. I need a date.
Another difference is the attitude of some gay people towards bisexuals. I tried, but didn't always feel part of that community. I don't know that many bisexuals, so I guess I'm my own 'community' because of it.
I know the situation in this country is different, most people I know have some prejudices about homo/bisexuality but when they know you are, they're pretty relaxed about it.

err, end rant. take care, all.
Thanks for explaining all of that. I would say that the different countries thing contributed to the different ways we look at things, but I suspect that it's the fact that you're more comfortable in who you are than I am more than anything else. You're a little bit older than I am, too...so maybe one of these days I'll find myself relating to what you're saying more.

[GateandGarden]

Oh, if only that were always true.Damn it. :laugh: Okay, I will concede that he is (well, was) cheesy sometimes.

[GateandGarden]

Amber and Brian, I see both of your points. Really. You expressed yourselves really well last night (well, it was like the wee small hours of the morning, right? :laugh: ) and I just wanted to say that I see where you're both coming from. I think that between the two of you, everything was taken into account. I can't offer any more meaningful commentary (assuming that that was meaningful) because man, I stayed up way too late reading this thread and damn I'm tired! :laugh:

[Mari]

Thanks for explaining all of that. I would say that the different countries thing contributed to the different ways we look at things, but I suspect that it's the fact that you're more comfortable in who you are than I am more than anything else. You're a little bit older than I am, too...so maybe one of these days I'll find myself relating to what you're saying more.

I hope you will :xoxo:
I know it can feel like hell when it's still fresh. Ugh, that lasted a couple of years for me, actually. So much insecurity and soulsearching.
About different countries, different attitudes? When I first started coming out to various people, I lost a few online friends, all American, I'm sorry to say. Oh well, their loss :p

[Jyqm]

Damn it. :laugh: Okay, I will concede that he is (well, was) cheesy sometimes.


Heck, maybe he still is! There tons of masturbatory literary critics who like to pontificate on if Shakespeare was really Shakespeare and who Shakespeare really was. Maybe he's really Nicholas Sparks.

[GateandGarden]

...When I first started coming out to various people, I lost a few online friends, all American, I'm sorry to say. Oh well, their loss :pThat is such a shame. :distress:

[GateandGarden]

... Maybe he's really Nicholas Sparks.:eek: :eek: :eek: Ahhhhhhhhhh...stop!!!! That hurts!!! :eek: :eek:

[Mari]

That is such a shame. :distress:

yeah.. made me think I must've done something wrong! I guess part of it was them feeling 'betrayed' somehow. I guess they couldn't/wouldn't understand what happens to you when you have a samesex crush for the first time. How confusing that is. A lot of people seem to think that if you're gay/bi, you know this from when you're born, when for a lot of people (that I know, anyway) it's a gradual discovery that can take a long time.

[skcin]

You're here
You're queer

We are over it.


:)


Curtis? I love you. :xoxo:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Curtis? I love you. :xoxo:


I love you, too.


PS: I'm tired of gay chats.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I love you, too.


PS: I'm tired of gay chats.

I think the ledge has turned into a big gay chat room! :lol: