Band Face Off - Round 11

[trackaghost]

His name is Prince and he is FUNKY!!! Yes, the Purple One beat Mr Hendrix and, obviously, Mr Kravitz, 20 votes to Jimi's unlucky 13 and Lenny's pitiful 2 votes.

Round 11 is all about girl power. Oh yes. Who will you choose?

The results so far:
Round 1: Petty defeats Springsteen - 35 to 17
Round 2: Led Zeppelin defeats The Who - 22 to 18
Round 3: Madonna defeats Sheryl Crow/Kate Bush - 24 to 12/10
Round 4: The Beatles defeat Rolling Stones/U2 - 22 to 15/13
Round 5: Guns N Roses defeat Bon Jovi/Metallica - 17 to 13/12
Round 6: Heart defeat Blondie/The Pretenders - 23 to 14/6
Round 7: The Beach Boys defeat The Kinks/The Byrds - 22 to 10/9
Round 8: Elvis Presley defeats Johnny Cash/Roy Orbison - 18 to 17/6
Round 9: Abba defeats The Carpenters - 24 to 14
Round 10: Prince defeats Jimi Hendrix/Lenny Kravitz - 20 to 13/2

**NEWS FLASH: Elvis has overtaken Johnny Cash, 18 to 17!**

The polls are still open, vote now!

[AliceLover]

I love No Doubt.

[dissention]

Gah. I don't know how to choose between Garbage and Hole. I love Courtney, but Shirley Manson is just hot ****.

[estranged4life]

that's a tough one...I voted for none of 'em, Since I'm not familiar with their type of music (Courtney Love=Over-rated!)

[ontheEdgeof17]

No Doubt. :cool:

They were better in their earlier years. I don't listen to them much anymore.

[estranged4life]

You'd probably like Garbage best. In fact, you might even like Garbage... :shrug:
if not, you should just look up all the chicks on the internet, and vote for which one you think is the hottest.... :lol: :xoxo:

I would have to go with No Doubt (Gwen isnt bad looking whatsoever, Just not my type of woman.)

Here is my type of woman:

<div align=center><img src="http://www.maximummetal.com/maidens/images/maidens_3.jpg">
Cristina Scabbia (Singer of Lacuna Coil)
</div>

[Serrart]

Garbage, they're one of the few bands that bring fresh air into music nowadays.

Romy

[dissention]

Yep, he could definitely do that!

I've gone for a nice pic of Courtney because I like her...


Shirley, baby. She has a sexuality to her that the other two only wish they had. :thumbsup:

[dissention]

yeah, I don't think Gwen wishes she had it, but Courtney might. ;)

Courtney is too busy letting homeless men suck her titties for the cameras to think much of anything. :laugh:

I think Shirley is sexy, too, but I like cute, light sexy with lots of facial expressions, and dancing, better then dark, angry, not-as-expressive sexy.
Shirley is still sexy, though. uh...but I don't usually like her eye makeup. :laugh:

Gwen is too, I don't know, childish. She's pushing forty and looks like a fool more often than not to me, especially bouncing around and singing "Hollaback Girl." Shirley is more adult; her voice is more expressive, there's a raw vibe to her that says she isn't putting on a show, and when she stands at the microphone and sings "Queer," I melt. Homegirl is so sexy. :laugh:

[mylittledemon]

I never cared for Hole so they get 3rd place. Garbage is a distant 2nd from my pick, No Doubt. Gwen Stefani is just too much...whew...hot stuff. AND, she releases some pretty catchy tunes.

[ragandbone]

I haven't listened to Garbage since the first record, but almost wore it out, I loved it so much. Hmm, maybe I did wear it out, and that is why I haven't listened since.

[dissention]

I haven't listened to Garbage since the first record, but almost wore it out, I loved it so much. Hmm, maybe I did wear it out, and that is why I haven't listened since.

I totally just put that record in my stereo, too. Not a bad song on it.

"If flesh could crawl, my skin would fall from off my bones and run away from here; as far from God as heaven is wide and as far from God as angels can fly."

[estranged4life]

I'll go ahead and vote afterall...Let's see...Who deserves my vote???

[dissention]

I'll go ahead and vote afterall...Let's see...Who deserves my vote???

Garbage. I'm sick of seeing my favorites lose every time, man. :laugh:

[shackin'up]

Hole.

Garbage first album is great too, but a little too much design-alternative for me. Hole made two good rock-in-the-face-albums.

No doubt is pudding-pop. faceless radio**** im my opnion.

[dissention]

Tell me about it! Apart from Prince, I don't think anyone I've voted for has won. I still can't believe Heart beat Blondie.

I can't, either. The Wilson sisters kick ass, we all know this, but next to Blondie? Pffffft.

I must tell you how saddened I am to see Johnny Cash losing. It breaks my icy little heart.

[shackin'up]

Tell me about it! Apart from Prince, I don't think anyone I've voted for has won. I still can't believe Heart beat Blondie.

Americans dear. No sense of culture only sense for iconography. A sensibility for broad accepted icons, I mean. Imago.

Madonna beat Kate Bush. They don't even know her most of the time. That's choosing for a topdesigner of mediahypes over a born singer-composer-talent. Typical. Prince beating Jimi is another example. That's choosing for a brilliant copy-paste-artist who designs everything he does and is to the details over an pure original straight from the guts writing and playing rock-and-roll animal. :shrug:
Johnny Cash won against Elvis, though. An exception that underlines the rule. Who did you vote that round?

[estranged4life]

Honestly, I have the feeling you would like Garbage best. But...if you want to vote for the underdog, give Courtney a go.

and Garbage wasnt that bad, not my style/taste but not bad either...Thus they receive my vote!

Oh, and if we were goin' by looks I would pick the following as the sexiest female lead singer (Better picture than the one I posted earlier):

<div align=center><img src="http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rhiannon/Cristina-Scabbia.jpg" height=400 width=350>
Cristina Scabbia: A goth-metaller, a great vocalist, An Italian and absolutely sexy!!! What more could a guy like me ask for???</div>

[dissention]

Americans dear. No sense of culture only sense for iconography. A sensibility for broad accepted icons, I mean. Imago.

No ****. :lol:

Madonna beat Kate Bush. They don't even know her most of the time. That's voting for a topdesigner of mediahypes over a born singer-composer-talent. Typical.

I love Madonna, but she's all style and no substance. How she won is a mystery.

Johnny Cash won against Elvis, though. An exception that underlines the rule. Who did you vote that round?

No! He's now losing. Let's start the Save Johnny campaign. We cannot stand for this injustice, Gerald.

[dissention]

I prefer Debbie Harry's voice to the Wilson gals. They're okay, I even own a couple of Heart albums, but Blondie are a much more interesting band IMO. Just their sound and influences, plus the New York 70s punk scene seems magical to me. Also, I can't help but be swayed by the fact that Debbie Harry is one of the most beautiful AND the coolest women ever. I want to be her :o

Precisely. I adore Heart, always have and always will, but they just don't stack up artistically or aesthetically next to Blondie.

But we're just bitter old hags, Sharon. :p

[ryan8472]

No doubt, my choice will have to be, well, No Doubt. :p :nod:

[dissention]

New York 70's punk scene is NOT magical to me, so you've got me there. Actually, it's gross to me. :lol:


Really? :shocked: I can't imagine a better time for music. Blondie, Talking Heads, Television, Patti Smith, The Ramones, The Dead Boys, etc. It makes me sad to think of how great music was then compared to the **** we get now. :(

[shackin'up]

Pudding-pop? :lol:


I laughed too when I wrote that, but it hit it right where I wanted it :woohoo: . through the ledge I became addicted to writing in english without thinking. Just let it flow. I can do that in dutch too, but the brainwashed rules are unconciously editing what you write.

[shackin'up]

before Elvis there was nothing! And in a way it's true, my dad used to say most people today are unaware of the impact he had on modern music, he changed it all completely.

Your dad's right. But impact also is about image. Chuck Berry had more rock'n'roll than Elvis IMO. But his impact is not to discuss.

[estranged4life]

Really? :shocked: I can't imagine a better time for music. Blondie, Talking Heads, Television, Patti Smith, The Ramones, The Dead Boys, etc. It makes me sad to think of how great music was then compared to the **** we get now. :(

was great, Nowadays when a band like Green Day are called "punk" (Usually by musically uneducated emo-teens) I have to laugh, Cause these "emo-punk-wannabe's" have NUTHIN' to do with the original punk attitude, And they couldnt touch the Ramones in attitude, sheer musical genius and pure honesty in approach any day of the week...Especially if that day ends in the letter "y"!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My older sister Lesa has turned me onto her punk music as of late (Weird that a girl from Oklahoma who moved to California became a punk woman....But seeing how my family is I am not surprised!) and I like what I have heard :nod:

[estranged4life]

Your dad's right. But impact also is about image. Chuck Berry had more rock'n'roll than Elvis IMO. But his impact is not to discuss.

Bill Haley & the Comets & Buddy Holly...

I call Chuck Berry the real King of Rock N Roll.

[shackin'up]

yeah, cause Heart is soooooooo terrible. :rolleyes: That lady can't sing! Barracuda doesn't kick ass! Magic Man?! What's that? Crazy on You? anyone could sing that!!!
And voting for Heart is voting for born singer composer talent.

Didn't we invent iconography? just saying. :)


Yes dear. I said that: Americans have a sensibilty for image, not for culture.
I don't think that the heart-blondie-result was very unexpected though. Dreamboat Annie is a 100% masterpiece made by great talented singer-songwriters. You are overreacting again, because you think that I despise what I did not vote for. Americans think in black and white. Cool you're good at that. I will not discuss that. Especially not with you. But Blondie simply gave a lot more to the culture of music then Heart did. Or Fleetwood Mac did. Or the Eagles did. I'm not saying I hate that music. Come and have a look in my collection.

hmm, you'll probably can't read the names on the CD's. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :lol:

[estranged4life]

hmm, you'll probably can't read the names on the CD's. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :lol:

Chris *cough* Goss *cough* *cough* Ginger *cough* Baker...Need I say more?

[shackin'up]

woooow. Do you think anyone will ever sing like Johnny Cash? (I like Elvis's voice, too. And Roy Orbisons. Actually, Trackie, now it pisses me off that you pitted these people against each other!!! :laugh: JK :xoxo: )

Glad I pissed you off, amber. :laugh: It was me who suggested that mix to Sharon. so can I get that :xoxo: now too?



please?

[shackin'up]

Chris *cough* Goss *cough* *cough* Ginger *cough* Baker...Need I say more?

:lol: :lol:

Yes Brian J., I was talking bout Americans in general, BUT definately NOT about you.

[estranged4life]

Of course Petty is not in that category, although he was considered New Wave when he first emerged. I was talking about Johnny Thunders & The Heartbreakers, a completey different band.

Johnny Thunder and glam era David Bowie (With some punky Rolling Stones) then I recommend the great band Hanoi Rocks!!! One of the best bands to be virtually ignored here in the US (And yes, had they arrived during the height of the punk days they would have been bigger than the New York Dolls :eek: )

"Two Steps From the Move" is one helluva classic album...Too bad that just as they finally were breaking here in the US Vince Neil Wharton (aka Vince Neil of Motley Crue) killed HR's drummer Razzle in a drunken carwreck, Killing any chance they had of making it big.

[trackaghost]

I said I liked Talking Heads and Patti Smith. And, if the Ramones were fun, they were still one chord and non melodic. You're talking to a former band/choir geek. I like things that are pretty. And honestly, I like things I can sing to. Not saying I die when I hear punk, it's just not my thing. Actually, though, punk shows live are fun, cause you can dance/hop/mosh around. That, I am in favor of. :nod: Solely sonically, though? No.


I'm not saying you should like it, I'm just saying that punk music was not all one chord distorted guitar, angry and dark lyrics, spitting and mosh pits. That was just a small part of it. You said yourself you like three bands from that scene: Blondie, Talking Heads and Patti Smith, could they be any different? None of them contained those elements you mentioned either.
Take The Clash for instance, they mixed reggae, dub, pop, 50s rock n roll, with biting satirical and political lyrics. They weren't just loud guitars and nastiness, that's all I'm saying. Punk is such a wide term, covering a vast array of bands.

[shackin'up]

To me, Blondie is much more image, and Heart is more culture.

When I typed that, I thought about that too. You have a point there, in the heart-blondie comparison. I don't say that one IS more culture, I said that blondie added more to (pop)culture than Heart. That ALSO is a matter of image, I know.

[trackaghost]

Punk was a reaction to the pomposity of rock in the mid 70s. You have to remember back then prog-rock was becoming the big thing, and that was all about grandiose arrangements and pretentious lyrics. Punk also challenged the superficially of disco (with often political lyrics) and the hippy ideals.

In punk, the sound is stripped down and made to sound more raw and real, but that doesn't mean it's not complex or interesting, or pretty even.The big thing is the DIY ethic, that anyone can play music. But I guess at the end of the day, punk was/is about attitude than anything else. It's a very working class genre of music. :)

I don't think Green Day and bands like them are punk btw..

[trackaghost]

But Blondie is not so widely known as Heart.
Actually, though, Heart couldn't influence music that much, because they are really a set entity unto themselves. The whole point of Heart is the kick ass voice, and expert awesome guitar/band work. That can only influence people with just as good of a voice, mainly.
And who would that be? No one, really. Although there are some definite creative tunes there, it's still...you know...rock. And though they may have a great band and great vocals, it's still rock. It's great, great, great rock - the top of rock. But besides it's pentultimate rock skill level, (which is unusual) there is nothing else especially unusual.
Concede.

That's not true, that's your America-centric thinking coming through. Blondie had a big impact over the world, whereas Heart didn't.
Also influence isn't about how many records you sell, it's about how many people pick up guitars or start writing songs because of you. I mean look at Loverboy. There's a band who sold millions of records in the 80s, but does anyone remember them? But The Velvet Underground sold virtually no records at all, and their influence is still being seen on bands forming today.

I see Blondie's influence in Madonna, Cyndi Lauper, Gwen Stefani, Shirley Manson, Courtney Love and countless others. I just don't see Heart's influence in the same way. Without Debbie Harry, Madonna wouldn't have broken through in the same way IMO She paved the way.

[trackaghost]

okay. I knew that stuff.
uh...so...what's the punk that's as melodic and pretty as the pompous rock of the mid seventies?
Cause that's what I like. :)
Which punk is complex, band and vocally wise? (besides the ones I said I like, Blondie most notably). Cause I'd like to check them out. :)

working class genre? Working class people can't sing really well or play instruments? :confused: My mom and dad sure can, and we're working class. Also, I think a ton of country singers would beg to differ. :) Dolly for one.


Try Television or even Patti Smith's first album Horses.

As for working class genre, Country music definitely is a working class genre, so is folk.
I don't remember saying working class people can't sing or play well? You don't think something like classical music is more elite form of music? Especially 20 years ago. Not everyone can pay to learn how to play Beethoven, but most people can pick up a guitar and learn a folk tune. That's the working class element and the DIY ethic.

Plus I think it's great that punk inspires people to think they can make music too. For instance, I'm glad Lou Reed didn't think "wow I can't sing like Frank Sinatra so I shouldn't form a band". I'd prefer his talk-singing anyday over Whitney's technically brilliant, but annoying over-emoting.

[trackaghost]

okay, fair enough. Although I don't think you should lump Heart in with Loverboy.

American Centric. Yeah, thanks Track. It's where I live, ya know? And then, you could say, that Blondie was more poppy and simple and that's why they had more of an impact over the world. Then you can say Heart was more skillful, and specific, which is why they didn't. I'm not saying that, but one could.

Oh no, I wasn't comparing Heart to Loverboy, I was just using them as an example of a band who sold a lot of records without a lasting influence. I LIKE Heart, I think they're great. I just think Blondie's influence was greater.

I didn't mean anything by the America comment. Sorry about that :o It's just that Heart weren't as big in other countries. I don't think Blondie's music was/is simple though, poppy yes. :)

[estranged4life]

That's not true, that's your America-centric thinking coming through. Blondie had a big impact over the world, whereas Heart didn't.
Also influence isn't about how many records you sell, it's about how many people pick up guitars or start writing songs because of you. I mean look at Loverboy. There's a band who sold millions of records in the 80s, but does anyone remember them? But The Velvet Underground sold virtually no records at all, and their influence is still being seen on bands forming today.

generational influence...Just because those Canadians Loverboy sold tons of albums back in the 80's mean they will be remembered as trend-setters or someone with a lasting influence upon a generation of people like Blondie or the Ramones.

Heart, While a great band, is known mainly here in the US...Overseas I doubt they are known as well, And are probably pigeonholed as being a strictly "American band" which only appeals to the American taste in music. A band such as NWOBH pioneers/legends Saxon can play at large festivals in Europe, But say they were to tour here in the US and they would probably be stuck in a small club in some Bumf**k hick town since the same thing can also happen since Saxon would be considered a strictly "European" band.

I see Blondie's influence in Madonna, Cyndi Lauper, Gwen Stefani, Shirley Manson, Courtney Love and countless others. I just don't see Heart's influence in the same way. Without Debbie Harry, Madonna wouldn't have broken through in the same way IMO She paved the way.

So true...I may not have any Blondie discs (Though I did inherit some of the music on LP & 8-track from my Mother) but without Debbie Harry the Madonna's of the world wouldnt stand a chance in this ever changing (Mostly for the worse) music climate of the USofA.

Blondie broke through in such a large fashion, that even if you're not a fan ,you have to give 'em respect for that alone...Doesnt matter if the music itself is your cup-of-joe or not.

[estranged4life]

Show me one punk song with one chord. There probably is one, but I don't know it.

is when Bob Mould's former band Husker Du played OKC and performed a 45 minute encore of just 1 single note...That had to be something to experience, 45 minutes of the same note over-and-over-and-over, I can see why Bob thought people had to be "pulled off the walls" after that encore.

[shackin'up]

Sweeeeeet. And I like John Denver!!!

"West Virginia...Mountain Momma...*sob*"

You should hear Drivin'n'Cryin's version of leaving on a jetplane. One of the best covers ever. That's cowpunkrock. But they leave the feel and the core of the song 100% intact.

[xdreamsunwindx]

Guh. How could I choose!? -_- Garbage gets my vote. I play them the most, and they're just a great band. Hole is great, too. So is NxD. I hate you for making me choose. :-P

I'd go lesbian for Shirley Manson, by the way. XD

[dissention]

But Blondie is not so widely known as Heart.

That is a ridiculous statement. :laugh:

[Miss Vicky]

No Doubt...

But only because I despise Courtney Love and can name only one or two Garbage songs off the top of my head.

[shackin'up]

uh...I teared up a little just reading "Leaving on a Jet Plane".
Drivin'n'Cryin'? Kick ass name.
Okay, well...just yousendit and I can hear it.

http://s41.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0RWEX0JNAXI4M07WUAXP59XKR0

I love this band. Got their entire catalogue. The USA should be ashamed that they don't pay enough attention to their own jewels.

[face of glass]

Johnny Thunder and glam era David Bowie (With some punky Rolling Stones) then I recommend the great band Hanoi Rocks!!! One of the best bands to be virtually ignored here in the US (And yes, had they arrived during the height of the punk days they would have been bigger than the New York Dolls :eek: )
I may support the success of Finnish acts outside our home country, but I'd much rather take the Dolls over Hanoi Rocks, anytime.

Besides, bigger than New York Dolls were at their heyday? The Dolls weren't a big thing in the first place, although they did have a proper cult following, just like Hanoi.

When the Dolls were still active in 1976, the future members of Hanoi Rocks (who had just entered their late teens) were just starting; Andy McCoy contributed to the first Finnish punk single (Briard's "I Really Hate Ya", for instance.

[michelle2677]

No Doubt For sure. They got me thru a lot of crap with Tragic Kingdom. Of course this was way before I was a FM fan ;)

[trackaghost]

my whole point was that Country and Folk are working class, but they are Pretty. So for you to say that punk is "the working class music" doesn't gel with me, as there are others that sound good. And those are the ones I like.

But your point is redundant, since I never said it was "THE working class music", I said it was a "very working class form of music". That's completely different, I'm sure you'll agree.

My quote:

But I guess at the end of the day, punk was/is about attitude than anything else. It's a very working class genre of music. :)


Like folk or country, a lot of punk deals with working class ideas and issues. Plus not all folk and country is pretty. That's as much as a generalisation as saying punk is one-chord music.

I know you keep saying you like pretty music, but isn't Blondie and Patti Smith's music often pretty? How can you turn around and say punk isn't pretty then, when you've already agreed some punk music is? And for the record No Doubt obviously have many punk influences.

[trackaghost]

Songs with one chord only? Miranda. Songs with two chords only? Dreams. Yelling vocals you can't understand? Come. Not a lot going on musically or vocally? Most Stevie Nicks and Christine McVie songs. Show me one punk song with one chord. There probably is one, but I don't know it.

That's a very good point. Dreams is the easiest song of all to learn on guitar.

[trackaghost]

uh...so...what's the punk that's as melodic and pretty as the pompous rock of the mid seventies?



I was actually refering to bands like Pink Floyd, Yes and Genesis, when I talked about gradiose rock music. Not that pretty really.

Edit: shall we call quits on this argument now?

[dissention]

I know you keep saying you like pretty music, but isn't Blondie and Patti Smith's music often pretty? How can you turn around and say punk isn't pretty then, when you've already agreed some punk music is? And for the record No Doubt obviously have many punk influences.

I put on Rocket To Russia from The Ramones on this morning and I'll be damned if it wasn't pretty and filled to the brim with wonderful melodies. I suppose it's just a matter of personal opinion in the end.

[trackaghost]

I put on Rocket To Russia from The Ramones on this morning and I'll be damned if it wasn't pretty and filled to the brim with wonderful melodies. I suppose it's just a matter of personal opinion in the end.

I think you're right. I mean, some people think, say, Beauty & The Beast is pretty, others think it's over the top and boring. Opinions are funny things alright :)

[skcin]

I voted for Hole. I still listen to their CDs a lot. And I love Courtney, huge mess that she is. I'm always rooting for her.

No Doubt - eh, they're OK, but I never really got into them. I'm not that familiar with Garbage's stuff, never got into them either - although I think Shirley is cool as hell. :thumbsup:

[markolas]

I didn't vote in this round because I'm not familiar enough with any of these bands. I only know that one No Doubt song, and the other two I haven't heard at all...and I can't imagine liking anything Courtney Love had anything to do with. :laugh:

[shackin'up]

did anybody but Amber listen to the Denver-cover by Drivin'n'Cryin' I posted here?:
http://www.ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpost.php?p=425379&postcount=84

There's a guy from holland who tries to get you in touch with yer own music. ;)

[shackin'up]

Come on Guys! ^

[shackin'up]

I promise I'll download it tomorrow at work Gerald. Dial-up is such a pain!

i understand, dear. That's a drag. Did you get tickets for Eels in the Royal Albert Hall?

[trackaghost]

i understand, dear. That's a drag. Did you get tickets for Eels in the Royal Albert Hall?

I downloaded it today, but haven't had a chance to listen to it yet, cos it was really busy in work today.
I've got some stuff I need to burn on disc though, including the Dougal Reed stuff Mari kindly sent me, so I'll do that tomorrow :)

I haven't got tickets yet, cos only the cheap seats were left. My friend is going to see if he can get us better seat. He's pretty nifty like that.
Thanks for telling me about it! :xoxo:

[shackin'up]

I downloaded it today, but haven't had a chance to listen to it yet, cos it was really busy in work today.
I've got some stuff I need to burn on disc though, including the Dougal Reed stuff Mari kindly sent me, so I'll do that tomorrow :)

I haven't got tickets yet, cos only the cheap seats were left. My friend is going to see if he can get us better seat. He's pretty nifty like that.
Thanks for telling me about it! :xoxo:

Anytime.

Drivin'n'Cryin' is Kevn Kinney's band by the way. That Dougal Reed stuff is wicked. have fun.

[DavidMn]

Gwen Rocks!!!