Stevie Shares Thoughts On Peter Jennings...

[EnchantedSLN]

August 7, 2005

As I’m sure you must know by now~ Peter Jennings died today. The night he told us on his news show that he had cancer~ I went straight to my desk and wrote him this letter. I thought I would share it with you.



Dear Peter Jennings~

My name is Stevie Nicks. Tonight I listened to you tell the world that you had lung cancer. As a studied singer – I heard your golden voice sound a little hoarse. I also heard in your voice that you were ready to go to war with it. That is good~ because cancer~ waits for no one. And you must win this battle, you see, because in many ways you are the soft reassuring voice that tells us everyday what is going on in our troubled world. We are not ready to give that voice up, and I feel that you are not ready to take it from us.

I don’t like the news very much. I was in New York on 9-11. I flew in from Toronto that Monday night to do a show in Rochester on Wednesday and Radio City on Friday. I went to sleep at 7:30am, and was awakened at 11am. The towers had fallen, no cars on the street, the world was changed, the angels cried. My shows were cancelled due to an act of war. (Not since Pearl Harbor…) Along with all the broken hearted I watched you and listened to you. I thought “this is the worst thing that happened in my whole life~” We were in classic ‘lock-down’ – at the Waldorf=Astoria, and your voice sang on. I marveled at your strength. You walked me through it.

I wanted to go home. I called my friend, Don Henley. He said, “If you can stand it, stay out there, take people’s minds off this tragedy, if just for a moment.” I called my parents. My mother said, “This is what you can do for your country, sing your songs to them, give them a little peace.” So I did- I stayed on the road until October~ The “Trouble in Shangri-La” Tour. The summer of 9-11~ and the voice of Peter Jennings. I would say, Peter is my favorite.

So, having said all that, I know that going through chemotherapy is a lot of time on an I.V.~ so I am sending you some music. The last CD~ Trouble in Shangri-La (oh yes…) being, I think, my little masterpiece. I think some of my songs might help you pass this time (and keep you dancing). Writing my songs is the first great love of my life, giving them to someone I think needs them~ is the second great love of my life.

…And even if at some point, you have to wear that fabulous~ Versace Bandana, you’ll still be the handsomest guy on T.V.

Thanks for all that you do~

Love,
Stevie Nicks



Last night, was the last night of my tour. We have been working since May~nonstop. We started in Las Vegas~ and we ended in Las Vegas. My father has been very ill for weeks. He fell the day after Reno~ and broke his leg. They were able, finally, to go in and fix it yesterday. Thank goodness~ he lived through the surgery. In all honesty, we didn’t think he would. So going on stage for the last 3 shows has been extremely difficult for me, Rise above it~ the show must go on~ or so say the circus people. Be positive. Believe in the angels. Believe he will get well. Believe that all those injured boys at Walter Reed will get well~ and believe that Peter Jennings and his golden voice will fight through his cancer and come back to us~ and make some sense out of this crazy world~ Well, sometimes things just aren’t meant to be. He was one of those special beings~ rare and beautiful~ one of the great ones~

I am so sad about this~
I simply ~
Adored him…

And~
If you smoke~
Please stop

[golden braid]

:angel: Stevie is so sweet. Her letters are really touching.

It's probably a good thing Stevie's tour is over so she can spend some more time with her father. I'm sure she was sad that he couldn't be at the Arizona show.

[amber]

Oh, my....thanks for posting. Very nice. Very nice indeed.

[sodascouts]

It's wonderful that Stevie cares enough to write to people and express sympathy. She has a kind heart and I love her. That said...

I truly hope this isn't what she sent to Peter Jennings because if it is, I'm embarrassed for her. This letter is incredibly self-absorbed. It's like "Let me comfort you by telling you about how I persevered after 911 with the help of my good friend Don Henley. Because you were my favorite newscaster on 911 and so telling you the tale of my heroic decision to continue sharing music with people to help them forget is totally meaningful."

Yikes, Stevie.

[SandyMac]

I am so saddend by the news of his passing. I grew up watching him on the news. He was my favorite news anchor. And his voice was very calm and reassuring even when reporting the most sad or horrendous news.

I fear for my sister every day because she smokes.

I have been crying off and on all day since I heard the news of him passing. He will be greatly missed. He was one of the great news reporters/news anchors of my generation.

Reading Stevie's journal entries made me cry again. It is almost like she conveyed my thoughts to Peter Jennings as well when I found out he had lung cancer.

Stevie is so caring and so giving.

I am so glad that Stevie's Dad pulled through the surgery alright. It's hard enough as it is to be at work while a relative goes through surgery let alone being on the road and need to focus on putting on a great show for the fans knowing that your Dad is not doing well. Kudos to Stevie and her Dad for pulling through this difficult time.

-Sandy

[Red]

It's wonderful that Stevie cares enough to write to people and express sympathy. She has a kind heart and I love her. That said...

I truly hope this isn't what she sent to Peter Jennings because if it is, I'm embarrassed for her. This letter is incredibly self-absorbed. It's like "Let me comfort you by telling you about how I persevered after 911 with the help of my good friend Don Henley. Because you were my favorite newscaster on 911 and so telling you the tale of my heroic decision to continue sharing music with people to help them forget is totally meaningful."

Yikes, Stevie.

You know, I couldn't help but think the same thing. I know her intentions were nothing but pure, but it did come off as a little indulgent, as much about her as it is about him. I'm not trying to slam her here but she could have chosen her words a little differently.

[Johnny Stew]

I truly hope this isn't what she sent to Peter Jennings because if it is, I'm embarrassed for her. This letter is incredibly self-absorbed.Admittedly, it does sound more than just a little self-absorbed... however, I think Stevie was trying to convey her mindset and fears during that time period, and how it directly related to the reassuring effect Peter Jennings' newscasts had on her and the rest of the nation.

Instead of the typical, "I think you're an ace newscaster and I hope you pull through," she expressed how he touched her life directly, and how it was a combination of things... which included him... that helped her move forward after 9/11.

Of course, I'm sure she's still going to get slammed for the way she expressed that! :laugh:

[estranged4life]

I fear for my sister every day because she smokes.


cause I give **** to my older brother Geary all the time since Mom made him promise to quit smoking, So I toss that request Mom made at him all the time since Mom is no longer here to do it herself (And I did the same to my older sis Lesa today...I'm such a mean f**k, :lol: ).

Hope they quit because I dont want to have to bury anymore family members in my lifetime.

[desertangel]

At the risk of sounding "self-absorbed"...

I'm sitting here and tears are absolutely pouring down my face. I've been an on/off smoker since age 13. Never a heavy smoker. I guess it doesn't matter. For the last several months I've had sores inside my mouth and on my tounge. The doctors are saying it's probably nothing but they prefer for me to quit smoking, period... forever. When they told me this, I freaked out and kept smoking my "one cigarette each night before I go to bed." And now this... I am taking this public and professing from here on out, I will do what Stevie says and stop smoking, forever. I pray it's not "too late."

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

I hope Stevie's Dad is feeling better. Good to hear he survived the operation.

Pip

[SandyMac]

At the risk of sounding "self-absorbed"...

I'm sitting here and tears are absolutely pouring down my face. I've been an on/off smoker since age 13. Never a heavy smoker. I guess it doesn't matter. For the last several months I've had sores inside my mouth and on my tounge. The doctors are saying it's probably nothing but they prefer for me to quit smoking, period... forever. When they told me this, I freaked out and kept smoking my "one cigarette each night before I go to bed." And now this... I am taking this public and professing from here on out, I will do what Stevie says and stop smoking, forever. I pray it's not "too late."

You Go Girl !!! I am behind you and support you. I know it is hard, but it will be worth it. Stevie does usually say at the end of her shows "to be well" so we can do this again. I have started to take my weight loss more seriously now seeing how thin and sexy Stevie is. I am only 36 and need to loose 30-35 pounds. It doesn't sound a lot, but I am only 5' 2" and that extra 30 pounds does not sit well on my small frame.

-Sandy

[desertangel]

You Go Girl !!! I am behind you and support you. I know it is hard, but it will be worth it. Stevie does usually say at the end of her shows "to be well" so we can do this again. I have started to take my weight loss more seriously now seeing how thin and sexy Stevie is. I am only 36 and need to loose 30-35 pounds. It doesn't sound a lot, but I am only 5' 2" and that extra 30 pounds does not sit well on my small frame.

-Sandy

Hey Sandy!! Thank you sooo much. It's scarey... I HAVE to do it. If ever there was a time for getting serious, it's now. Hey, I'm 5'2 and was 30 pounds overweight in Jan. I've lost 15 so far. The first 10 came off with diet alone, the other 5 was real slow to come off. The next 15 will probably have to exercise more (oh no, not that) to get it off. So I know what you mean about a "few" pounds on a small frame. Seems for most people its kinda slow to start (about a month,) but once your body starts to expell the fat, you feel encouraged and can make some real progress. Okay, I'm sending you good vibes for your weight loss. Hang in there, whatever you do!! WE CAN DO THIS! Stevie is our inspiration! :thumbsup:

Take care,
Laura

[BombaySapphire3]

originally posted by sodascouts I truly hope this isn't what she sent to Peter Jennings because if it is, I'm embarrassed for her. This letter is incredibly self-absorbed. Stevie Nicks self-absorbed! How could you ever come up with a notion like that?! :lol:

[GODDESS6]

self absorbed or not, i thought it was a wonderful gesture, & very sweet~ i love her for writing that~ whata a special woman, but we all knew that didn't we?, that is why we love her~

[Kelly]

Ummmmm, I hate to even address this because Stevie's letters should be the focus...but Stevie has always been self absorbed. If you have been a fan for any length of time, you know that. She lives in a world where everyone around her makes Stevie the focal, centerpoint. She is catered to. Is that her fault? Does that make it hard to identify with the normal person? Probably. I realize Stevie has tons of YES people around her. She also doesn't have the normal day to day struggles most women have. (kids, carpools, lunchmoney, homework, work, doing out OWN hair) Of course her focus is narrowed inward. So what...It doesn't change the fact that she has a huge heart. She gave her time to go visit soldiers. She gave her time to write a letter to Peter, even if you don't like how she expressed herself. She was out on the road while her Dad is dying...not for money...because she had to be.

I love the letters and am happy and relieved her Dad made it through surgery. It must be a tremendous relief to be able to be near him at this time. I hope Stevie can cope with whatever happens.

BTW..the "don't smoke" part made me crack up. With all the stress Stevie is under, I cannot imagine a pack of Kools is far away. Hopefully, Peter's death will wake her up about that.

[paleshadow]

It's wonderful that Stevie cares enough to write to people and express sympathy. She has a kind heart and I love her. That said...

I truly hope this isn't what she sent to Peter Jennings because if it is, I'm embarrassed for her. This letter is incredibly self-absorbed. It's like "Let me comfort you by telling you about how I persevered after 911 with the help of my good friend Don Henley. Because you were my favorite newscaster on 911 and so telling you the tale of my heroic decision to continue sharing music with people to help them forget is totally meaningful."

Yikes, Stevie.

Well, when she wrote that she was sending him some CD's and said trouble in shangri-la was her masterpiece I kind of did cringe, but I guess that's just her, and while I do think the gesture of her sending him that letter was very touching, I don't think showing us all a copy of the letter is. It would be one thing to just make a statement to the public about how saddened she is and what he meant to her, but to basically say "hey, look at what I sent to him" I find a little... unusual.

I think the message about not smoking was good though. I just lost my mom last week and she was a chain smoker her whole life. She had several strokes and a heart attack. She was only 56. People tend to just think of cancer when they think of the risks associated with smoking, but really it can be harmful in so many other ways.

[SuzeQuze]

Ummmmm, I hate to even address this because Stevie's letters should be the focus...but Stevie has always been self absorbed. If you have been a fan for any length of time, you know that. She lives in a world where everyone around her makes Stevie the focal, centerpoint. ...

I love the letters and am happy and relieved her Dad made it through surgery. It must be a tremendous relief to be able to be near him at this time. I hope Stevie can cope with whatever happens.

...

Well put, Kelly. Stevie is self-absorbed and always has been. This is part of her charm! Hehe. I think to be the kind of performer and writer she is you have to be. However, it was selfless of her to write that letter and send the music. She didn't have to do a thing. Also, I think Mr. Jennings would have enjoyed reading about Stevie's experience, he is a journalist after all. Admittedly, I did cringe a bit at her tone but she is who she is. At the age of 57 I don't suppose that will change much!

[bikerchic]

This reminds me of the interview Stevie did here with Marilyn Dennis on a Toronto radio station for the TISL cd and tour. She talked about the day she quit smoking. She said she just came back from the doctor's and he had told her that if she didn't quit smoking she could lose her voice for ever. Then she went on to say, that when she was walking up the front steps to her home that day that she invisioned herself having to walk into the house and tell her family that she had cancer and that she would never be able to sing again. This frightened her so badly that, that was the day she quit.

[dissention]

Well, when she wrote that she was sending him some CD's and said trouble in shangri-la was her masterpiece I kind of did cringe, but I guess that's just her, and while I do think the gesture of her sending him that letter was very touching, I don't think showing us all a copy of the letter is. It would be one thing to just make a statement to the public about how saddened she is and what he meant to her, but to basically say "hey, look at what I sent to him" I find a little... unusual.

That's what I found odd; not her self-involved letter writing (we all know homegirl cannot get over herself), but the fact that she shared the letter. Kind of weird. Like, what point did it serve?

I did find it cool that she made it more personal than "Get well soon," though.

[dissention]

This is part of her charm!

On which planet? :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

It's wonderful that Stevie cares enough to write to people and express sympathy. She has a kind heart and I love her. That said...

I truly hope this isn't what she sent to Peter Jennings because if it is, I'm embarrassed for her. This letter is incredibly self-absorbed. It's like "Let me comfort you by telling you about how I persevered after 911 with the help of my good friend Don Henley. Because you were my favorite newscaster on 911 and so telling you the tale of my heroic decision to continue sharing music with people to help them forget is totally meaningful."

Yikes, Stevie.That is exactly how I felt when I read it. So much of what she said just doesn't seem appropriate at all. Also, when she called TISL her "little masterpiece," I couldn't help but laugh. I'm pretty sure I could never call any of my works "my masterpiece." That's great of someone else says it but I think it isn't something you claim yourself. I really do get the impression that Stevie lives in another world as opposed to ours. Kelly pointed out that Stevie has always been self-absorbed and if anyone who has been a fan for any length of time has figured that out. I guess I am finally realizing that. Suze said self-absorption is part of her charm, and I have to say that I don't find that charming. I consider myself relatively self-centered, and whenever I come across people who are more self-centered, I find that disturbing. That being said, I don't think it's some unforgivable personality trait, just not a really charming one.

And I know some of laughed when you got to the "don't smoke" part, but it saddened me. Did she really think that was going to make someone stop? People who have smoked for years have heard that same message worded hundreds of different ways many times, so why would her little phrase make an impact? Maybe I'm wrong and it does for someone merely because she is Stevie Nicks; that would be really nice.

Also, I never realized before why some fans write things like this ~and now I see that, ~for some bizarre reason, ~Stevie must write with that symbol everywhere all the time. ~Why? :laugh:

[xxxmx]

it may smack of self-absorbtion to some, but i've got tears in my eyes telling me that i don't care how it sounds because it was true. i was in NYC for that too, and i sat with my dearest friends huddled around the television in the dark (the shades were down because we didn't want to see the columns of smoke) watching PJ reading the news. we were waiting for word from downtown friends and trying to get through to family back home. it was horrible.

she shared the letter for the same reasons she shared her journal entries, she puts herself out there for us. i know that some fans will take great comfort in reading it and that's who she's thinking about. and she's called TISL her 'masterpiece' several times before, so i don't know why it's a deal that she told him. i think it was a warm gesture and it meant a great deal to her, telling him what she did and offering support in the only way she knows how - through her music.

I consider myself relatively self-centered, and whenever I come across people who are more self-centered, I find that disturbing. i find it disturbing, but incredibly attractive as well. i also find vanity and superficiality to be attractive qualities... what does that say about me? :p

[hayley]

This reminds me of the interview Stevie did here with Marilyn Dennis on a Toronto radio station for the TISL cd and tour. She talked about the day she quit smoking. She said she just came back from the doctor's and he had told her that if she didn't quit smoking she could lose her voice for ever. Then she went on to say, that when she was walking up the front steps to her home that day that she invisioned herself having to walk into the house and tell her family that she had cancer and that she would never be able to sing again. This frightened her so badly that, that was the day she quit.
That would be a great story... if she had really quit. I can count at least five SYW shows I saw her or heard about her smoking backstage at.

Peter Jennings got me and Stevie through 9/11. Rock. I found her letter about Walter Reed way, way more cloying for some reason.

[Wild Heart]

Something about parts of that letter made me cringe but I couldn't quite put my finger on it until I opened this thread. I understand what Stevie was trying to accomplish and I think it was thoughtful and very sweet. I think she was not only trying to offer comfort and encouragement to him during his illness but to express what his broadcast had meant to her and the comfort it gave her during 9/11 when she was scared and unsure of what was happening. I did cringe when she said she was sending her "masterpiece" TISL for him to listen to during treatment. :eek: It's not that I don't like TISL, I love it. It's one of her best. (Belledonna was her solo masterpiece but the first three FM's have her best work with the inclusion of Gypsy, which was on number four, IMO and if you care :)). I just can't see Peter Jennings being a Stevie fan and listening to her while hooked to an IV. I'm sure she's much too "Airy Fairy" for him. He probably listened to his favorite jazz artists, if anything. It was a very nice gesture.

In regards to the self absorbed issue.........in my opinion, the majority of celebrities are self-centered. How could you live with all the money, fame, everyone hanging on your every word, everything being done for you and anything you can imagine at your fingertips at any given time and not be sucked into the vortex of self absorption? It would take a very strong, well grounded person to resist the temptation of being pulled into that whole thing.

I don't mean to sound like such a cynic. I realize alot of celebrities do some really great things for charity and etc. and that's wonderful, as long as it's sincere and not for the wrong reasons.

I love Stevie to death but at the end of the day she's no different than the rest of Hollyweird. They start out doe-eyed and innocent but after a few years they begin to embrace their celebrity and then they're sucked in. They all live in a completely different world than we do! :nod:

[STEVEHEDRICK]

PEOPLE here can be over critcal also!

[DrummerDeanna]

God Almighty.

Stevie tries to do something touching and nice and she's lambasted for being self absorbed :rolleyes:

I thought it was a lovely letter - didn't seem at all self-absorbed to me. She didn't know Peter Jennings personally - and so some background on her feelings etc. is necessary. She wanted him to know how he touched her life....I liked the letter very much. Made me tear up.

Also - I am saddened to hear that her father had been ill :distress:

[strandinthewind]

PEOPLE here can be over critcal also!

No stop it - I won't hear a word of that talk :laugh:

[JazmenFlowers]

self absorbed or not, i thought it was a wonderful gesture, & very sweet~ i love her for writing that~ whata a special woman, but we all knew that didn't we?, that is why we love her~

absolutely. what more can you say? she's amazing.

[desertangel]

God Almighty.

Stevie tries to do something touching and nice and she's lambasted for being self absorbed :rolleyes:

I thought it was a lovely letter - didn't seem at all self-absorbed to me. She didn't know Peter Jennings personally - and so some background on her feelings etc. is necessary. She wanted him to know how he touched her life....I liked the letter very much. Made me tear up.

Also - I am saddened to hear that her father had been ill :distress:


No kidding... the tone of some of these posts sickens me and makes me wonder... "fan" - ?? To use a worn-out word ... "whateva."

[GateandGarden]

PEOPLE here can be over critcal also!True, but I think she's a person just like the rest of us. I don't think she's some kind of goddess (though I have said so in jest before). She has brought much joy to my life but I'm not afraid to be critical and I don't really think I'm being overly critical. Sorry if my honesty is offensive; I'd rather be myself than constantly worry if the person I am is offensive to some people.

Or I can just assume that you weren't referring to me. :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

No kidding... the tone of some of these posts sickens me and makes me wonder... "fan" - ?? To use a worn-out word ... "whateva."I don't think that being critical and pointing out that we think a person has faults makes us not fans. The music is what many of us love first and foremost, anyway.

[DrummerDeanna]

No, Steive is human - I'm not of the opinion that she's some sort of über human - above us all...

BUT I just don't see the point in contantly ****ting on everything she says does (not naming names here).

I guess I just don't get it - because I honestly don't have a problem with anything :shrug: I pretty much like all of her songs...love her writings, journalings and other various musings....I just don't see the point of being so critical of someone I like so much....then I'm not generally an overly critical person really. I just go with the flow.

[hayley]

No kidding... the tone of some of these posts sickens me and makes me wonder... "fan" - ?? To use a worn-out word ... "whateva."
Crap, what was I thinking? Stevie ****s gold (dust) bricks and everything she's ever done or said is fiiiiine because her music rocks.

[GateandGarden]

BUT I just don't see the point in contantly ****ting on everything she says does (not naming names here).Oh! :laugh: I wonder who you're referring to. ;)

I guess I just don't get it - because I honestly don't have a problem with anything :shrug: I pretty much like all of her songs...love her writings, journalings and other various musings....I just don't see the point of being so critical of someone I like so much....then I'm not generally an overly critical person really. I just go with the flow.I have a problem with a lot of things about her and her music (well, mostly there's a good bit of her music that I don't care for, it's not so much her but her to some degree), but she remains one of my very favorites because there are still plenty of things about her that I simply adore. There is music of hers that I would defend all too fanatically. Did that make any sense? Awkwardly worded, as usual. :laugh:

Oh man, to have Homie in here right now. If y'all think you've met some critical people--Homie is ready to write her off completely. :rolleyes:

[strandinthewind]

Crap, what was I thinking? Stevie ****s gold (dust) bricks and everything she's ever done or said is fiiiiine because her music rocks.


Oh get off the cross and let someone else hang for awhile :rolleyes: No one is implying that everything she does is great :rolleyes:

You know good and well that people around here are overly critical of her and always will be. I mean the woman shares a sentiment with the world and she is called a self absorbed clueless bitch for doing so - whatever :rolleyes:

[DeeGeMe]

I think it's just the nature of performers to be rather self-absorbed. She had good intentions with that letter to Jennings and I think she wanted it posted for a reason on the Nicks Fix. Stevie is the first to admit she's a spoiled little rock and roll princess. And god love her for it. Yeah, I cringed a little seeing that letter she wrote but I love Stevie and I know that in her heart she thought she was doing the right thing when she sent it. So can we cut her some slack on this?

And yes, there are people who come to the Stevie Nicks forum on the Ledge just to bash her, who think she's the worst thing that ever happened to Fleetwood Mac. Obviously, I'm a chiffon-head and think and feel much differently about her, but I have NEVER deluded myself into thinking she was a perfect angel sent down from heaven above--or as someone put it earlier, ****s gold dust. I love her in spite of her flaws--because guess what--that makes her human. Just like the rest of us.

Okay--personal story time here: My father was a three-pack-a-day smoker for over 25 years. It took him numerous attempts and about 10 years to finally quit but he did. And he's still here today, at nearly 80, kicking ass. I've heard stories that Stevie relapses now and then but at least she's trying and that's the best first step that you can take-the attempt, as with any addiction. I watched two more family members die of lung cancer, my uncle, a long-time smoker, and an aunt, who never smoked. It's an ugly, ugly disease and anything you can do to encourage someone not to smoke is well worth the effort as 85% of all people diagnosed with lung cancers are smokers.

I heard last night while watching some of the coverage re Jennings death that the addiction to nicotine is more powerful than that of cocaine or heroin. Think about that for a minute. Don't jump down the throat of someone who in in the process of quitting because they relapse--instead, praise and support them as they fight that addiction.

Last night I watched one of my favorite newscasters (MSNBC's Keith Olbermann) recount a story about how he was told in 1991 that he had a growth in his mouth he needed to watch. But how he kept on smoking anyway. And how about 10 days ago, they removed what they thought at the time was a cancerous tumor from the roof of his mouth. It turned out benign but he apparently had the crap scared out of him and has finally realized he has to stop smoking. That's how powerful the addiction to smoking can be--that you have been warned to stop, that you KNOW you have a foreign growth in your body, and you keep on smoking anyway.

And as he pointed out last night in his ending segment, and this is a direct quote from that transcript, " I understand about the addiction and how they hook you and all of that. I‘m a smoker, remember? It would be terrible enough to have cancer, but on top of it, you‘d have cancer and you‘d have to stop smoking at the same time. Guess what? It‘s easier to stop smoking when you do not have cancer. Ever thought of that before?"

Amen brother. Amen.

[GateandGarden]

Oh get off the cross and let someone else hang for awhile :rolleyes:

YOu know good and well that people around here are overly critical of her and always will be. I mean the woman shares a sentiment with the world and she is a self absorbed clueless bitch for doing so - whatever :rolleyes:I expect that if I, or anyone else on this board wrote that letter, we would get similar reactions. "This is my poetry collection, Mr. Jennings. It's my little masterpiece." I think y'all would have a field day if I did that.

I do think people can be too hard on her here sometimes (I mostly feel that way when her weight comes into the conversation) but I think it's made up for when people act fanatical about her. It seems to balance out in a sense, don't ya think?

I'm sure the score would certainly be even if High Priestess came back. "The tour was a sham!!!" "We were ripped off!" etc.

[strandinthewind]

I expect that if I, or anyone else on this board wrote that letter, we would get similar reactions. "This is my poetry collection, Mr. Jennings. It's my little masterpiece." I think y'all would have a field day if I did that.

I do think people can be too hard on her here sometimes (I mostly feel that way when her weight comes into the conversation) but I think it's made up for when people act fanatical about her. It seems to balance out in a sense, don't ya think?

I'm sure the score would certainly be even if High Priestess came back. "The tour was a sham!!!" "We were ripped off!" etc.

But, if you did that and you did it with the intention of helping him, then I would think you were being nice and not self absorbed, esp. when you had been told by countless thousands if not millions that your poetry had a healing power and you believed it did :shrug:

[trackaghost]

I love Stevie, I own all her albums & I think she's amazing. But that doesn't mean I have to love everything she does and says.
I did find it a bizarre letter although it was well-meaning.

[GateandGarden]

I think it's just the nature of performers to be rather self-absorbed. She had good intentions with that letter to Jennings and I think she wanted it posted for a reason on the Nicks Fix. Stevie is the first to admit she's a spoiled little rock and roll princess. And god love her for it. Yeah, I cringed a little seeing that letter she wrote but I love Stevie and I know that in her heart she thought she was doing the right thing when she sent it. So can we cut her some slack on this?You're probably right. That quality in many (most? nearly all?) performers is one that I have a hard time really understanding.

My father was a three-pack-a-day smoker for over 25 years. It took him numerous attempts and about 10 years to finally quit but he did. And he's still here today, at nearly 80, kicking ass. I've heard stories that Stevie relapses now and then but at least she's trying and that's the best first step that you can take-the attempt, as with any addiction.

I heard last night while watching some of the coverage re Jennings death that the addiction to nicotine is more powerful than that of cocaine or heroin. Think about that for a minute. Don't jump down the throat of someone who in in the process of quitting because they relapse--instead, praise and support them as they fight that addiction.

Last night I watched one of my favorite newscasters (MSNBC's Keith Olbermann) recount a story about how he was told in 1991 that he had a growth in his mouth he needed to watch. But how he kept on smoking anyway. And how about 10 days ago, they removed what they thought at the time was a cancerous tumor from the roof of his mouth. It turned out benign but he apparently had the crap scared out of him and has finally realized he has to stop smoking. That's how powerful the addiction to smoking can be--that you have been warned to stop, that you KNOW you have a foreign growth in your body, and you keep on smoking anyway.

And as he pointed out last night in his ending segment, and this is a direct quote from that transcript, " I understand about the addiction and how they hook you and all of that. I‘m a smoker, remember? It would be terrible enough to have cancer, but on top of it, you‘d have cancer and you‘d have to stop smoking at the same time. Guess what? It‘s easier to stop smoking when you do not have cancer. Ever thought of that before?"

Amen brother. Amen.I'm glad that your father was able to quit. Everything I've read has said that it's nearly impossible. I have also read several times that it's worse than other drugs like cocaine that one would assume would be more addictive.

[hayley]

Oh get off the cross and let someone else hang for awhile :rolleyes: No one is implying that everything she does is great :rolleyes:

You know good and well that people around here are overly critical of her and always will be. I mean the woman shares a sentiment with the world and she is called a self absorbed clueless bitch for doing so - whatever :rolleyes:
Plenty of people imply that everything she does is great... I'm not half the fan some people are, if I don't sit around my house burning Nag Champa while reading the legend of Rhiannon, with fabric covering my lampshades and "Lady From the Mountain" on repeat. My annoyance really has nothing to do with this particular conversation or this particular letter to Peter. It's just frustration over the divisiveness of the fan community in general, which has been annoying me since the very beginning of all of this.

Personally, I have no real problem with her journal entry. I appreciate her thinking of Peter, as I have been in the last couple of days. But am I tired of constantly hearing the retread of her 9/11 experience, and how it was her personal mission to heal the world with her songs? Yep.

[GateandGarden]

But, if you did that and you did it with the intention of helping him, then I would think you were being nice and not self absorbed, esp. when you had been told by countless thousands if not millions that your poetry had a healing power and you believed it did :shrug:Yeah, I'm sure you would acknowledge that I was being nice and that I had the best of intentions. Some others probably wouldn't be so kind. Some would probably think that my self-absorbed attitude overshadowed the positive aspects of my letter. And you never know, but I just feel like even if I had more people than I can count telling me that my poetry had healing powers, I still wouldn't really think I'm that wonderful. I just don't think I have that in me. :shrug: But like I said, you never know. I just find it very hard to fathom.

[GateandGarden]

It's just frustration over the divisiveness of the fan community in general, which has been annoying me since the very beginning of all of this.Yes, sometimes I get the impression that I'm required to be stuck on one member of the band in particular, and I don't mean just her.

[strandinthewind]

Plenty of people imply that everything she does is great... I'm not half the fan some people are, if I don't sit around my house burning Nag Champa while reading the legend of Rhiannon, with fabric covering my lampshades and "Lady From the Mountain" on repeat. My annoyance really has nothing to do with this particular conversation or this particular letter to Peter. It's just frustration over the divisiveness of the fan community in general, which has been annoying me since the very beginning of all of this.

Personally, I have no real problem with her journal entry. I appreciate her thinking of Peter, as I have been in the last couple of days. But am I tired of constantly hearing the retread of her 9/11 experience, and how it was her personal mission to heal the world with her songs? Yep.

But she brought up the 9/11 experience to tell Mr. Jennings of a way in which he helped her. I mean she states " . . . and your voice sang on. I marveled at your strength. You walked me through it . . . ." So, it was relevant and a nice way to tell him a specific event that he helped her through and now she wanted to return the favor, etc.

I do not get that plenty of people imply that everything she does is great. I think people mistake other people concentrating on the good for that sentiment. I know of not one person who has not faulted her on at least one occasion.

Interestingly, I think the divisiveness of the fan community comes from people who love to bash her. I think people like me who really like her work and recognize she has many faults get tired of people harping on the faults and never praising the good stuff. But, this battle of dragons will not end here, though the same ole tired debate withh ensue.

[strandinthewind]

Yeah, I'm sure you would acknowledge that I was being nice and that I had the best of intentions. Some others probably wouldn't be so kind. Some would probably think that my self-absorbed attitude overshadowed the positive aspects of my letter. And you never know, but I just feel like even if I had more people than I can count telling me that my poetry had healing powers, I still wouldn't really think I'm that wonderful. I just don't think I have that in me. :shrug: But like I said, you never know. I just find it very hard to fathom.

Well, she does not just do that. She telld him how he through his work helped her in a bad period and then she tried to help him with her work. But, Baskin Robbins has 31 flavors for a reason :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

Interestingly, I think the divisiveness of the fan community comes from people who love to bash her. I think people like me who really like her work and recognize she has many faults get tired of people harping on the faults and never praising the good stuff. But, this battle of dragons will not end here, though the same ole tired debate withh ensue.It seems to me that there are only a couple of people who bash her consistently. :shrug: And they're just egged on by the people who are obsessive about her. :shrug:


Josh

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Plenty of people imply that everything she does is great... I'm not half the fan some people are, if I don't sit around my house burning Nag Champa while reading the legend of Rhiannon, with fabric covering my lampshades and "Lady From the Mountain" on repeat. My annoyance really has nothing to do with this particular conversation or this particular letter to Peter. It's just frustration over the divisiveness of the fan community in general, which has been annoying me since the very beginning of all of this.

Personally, I have no real problem with her journal entry. I appreciate her thinking of Peter, as I have been in the last couple of days. But am I tired of constantly hearing the retread of her 9/11 experience, and how it was her personal mission to heal the world with her songs? Yep.


I agree you dont have to wear shawls and burn Nag Champa (altho i did burn some the other day! lol) to be a fan....being a "fan" is different for every person... I dont think pointing out that Stevie is a little self absorbed (probably unconciously) is anything bad... I think it was nice for her to share that with fans, as I have enjoyed all of her journal entries....She was obviously very affected by the 9/11 tragedies, and seems like talking about them helps her...It seems to me when anyone mentions 9/11 these days it's looked down upon, like OH GOD HERE WE GO TALKING ABOUT 9/11 AGAIN...It's a huge part of history, a terrible tragedy, and something that really affected people---even people not directly involved.. Peter Jennings was very much a part (for me anyway) of the whole thing surrounding 9/11...he was there, and something about him has always comforted people...

I'm constantly amazed at the people who are TIRED of this she does, or whatever...but continue to read them..if you are tired of her retread of her 9/11 experiences, then you should probably never read her journal entries again...because that's what most seem to be about....seems easy to me..if you are tired of hearing about---DONT HEAR ABOUT IT

Chris

[GateandGarden]

Well, she does not just do that. She telld him how he through his work helped her in a bad period and then she tried to help him with her work. But, Baskin Robbins has 31 flavors for a reason :laugh:Yes, that's true. I really liked that. The "...your voice sang on..." part made me smile. You have a point there.

[hayley]

Yes, sometimes I get the impression that I'm required to be stuck on one member of the band in particular, and I don't mean just her.

It's not even about picking a band member. It's shippers vs. non-shippers, wyndchildren vs... uh, normal people, the bitter smart asses vs. the naive, the Stevie Haters/Lindsey Lovers vs. the Stevie Lovers/Lindsey Haters, etc. And that's before you get into personal cliques. It's all quite stupid.

I mean, thinking about trying to explain some grudge you have with someone here to someone in real life. "Well, see, ~*~gypsybelladonnarhisara~*~ said that Stevie's Reeboks were ugly, and that she takes herself too seriously. Now it's war." It all gets so stupid.

[trackaghost]

It seems to me that there are only a couple of people who bash her consistently. :shrug: And they're just egged on by the people who are obsessive about her. :shrug:


Josh

:laugh: Since Carne got banned there's not been too much Stevie-bashing.
I don't think it's bad to sometimes be critical of her if its warranted.

[JazmenFlowers]

Interestingly, I think the divisiveness of the fan community comes from people who love to bash her. I think people like me who really like her work and recognize she has many faults get tired of people harping on the faults and never praising the good stuff. But, this battle of dragons will not end here, though the same ole tired debate withh ensue.

I know. I get so sick of it. And it never fails. Someone posts something Stevie says or does and whaddya know, someone makes a stab at it. **** - a post about Stevie's letter to Peter has turned into a 3 page post about anything but that. It's stupid; which is why I try to post how I feel about the actual post and then not get caught up in this mess. Every good intention Stevie had in that letter is gone. I never really read it the way some apparently did, but I can see why they would think that, but I really don't think that was her intention; I think it was more of a way for her to connect to him and him to her...move on. Sheesh.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I mean, thinking about trying to explain some grudge you have with someone here to someone in real life. "Well, see, ~*~gypsybelladonnarhisara~*~ said that Stevie's Reeboks were ugly, and that she takes herself too seriously. Now it's war." It all gets so stupid.


O cmon its fun...and yes her reeboks ARE ugly lol

Chris

[strandinthewind]

:laugh: Since Carne got banned there's not been too much Stevie-bashing.
I don't think it's bad to sometimes be critical of her if its warranted.

Bless his heart :laugh:

I, too, agree that being critical of her and other members of her band and the Mac is just all part of it. It is just that sometimes it seems people just wait for the opportunity and do it with glee.

[trackaghost]

I'm constantly amazed at the people who are TIRED of this she does, or whatever...but continue to read them..if you are tired of her retread of her 9/11 experiences, then you should probably never read her journal entries again...because that's what most seem to be about....seems easy to me..if you are tired of hearing about---DONT HEAR ABOUT IT

Chris

To be fair to Hayley, I came into this thread expecting Stevie just to be passing on her condolences not talking about 9/11.

[GateandGarden]

It's not even about picking a band member. It's shippers vs. non-shippers, wyndchildren vs... uh, normal people, the bitter smart asses vs. the naive, the Stevie Haters/Lindsey Lovers vs. the Stevie Lovers/Lindsey Haters, etc. And that's before you get into personal cliques. It's all quite stupid.It's exhausting. Not to mention the fights people get into about real life things as well.

I mean, thinking about trying to explain some grudge you have with someone here to someone in real life. "Well, see, ~*~gypsybelladonnarhisara~*~ said that Stevie's Reeboks were ugly, and that she takes herself too seriously. Now it's war." It all gets so stupid.:lol::lol::lol::lol: Every time I try to explain one of the Ledge fights to someone I know in real life, they just look at me like I'm crazy. Usually there's some kind of comment like "Do the people on the Ledge work or go to school?" Oh well. That's the Ledge.

[strandinthewind]

To be fair to Hayley, I came into this thread expecting Stevie just to be passing on her condolences not talking about 9/11.

True - but the fact is she did express her condolences and then she told us of how she related to Mr. Jennings exactly how he helped her through a rough time. I mean if she had used some other horrible world even instead of 9/11, would it have been better?

[DrummerDeanna]

Bless his heart :laugh:

I, too, agree that being critical of her and other members of her band and the Mac is just all part of it. It is just that sometimes it seems people just wait for the opportunity and do it with glee.


Right. That's what gets me.

I see your point as well, Hayley - I guess I'm somewhere in the middle. - I mean there's one LEdgie who has repeatedly said stuff like "She's not human" "she's really an angel" or some such nonesense -that FREAKS me out -and annoys the **** out of me.

I don't think one has to burn Nag and drape themselves in chiffon whilst listening to STevie - I sure as hell don't. I just don't understand the constant negativity about her.

WHy post in the Stevie forum is ALL you ever post is negative? I really don't get it. Yes there is good, yes there is bad - I choose to focus on the good - I guess the "bad" doesn't really bother me all that much.

Oh - and the shipper thing - totally don't get that either....:laugh:

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Every time I try to explain one of the Ledge fights to someone I know in real life, they just look at me like I'm crazy. Usually there's some kind of comment like "Do the people on the Ledge work or go to school?" Oh well. That's the Ledge.
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Funny thing is half of us here do this WHILE AT our jobs lol

Chris

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Am I the only person who had never heard of Peter Jenning?

Whatever she writes... I enjoy taking a peek at her journal entries. I wish she would post more of them

Pip

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Am I the only person who had never heard of Peter Jenning?

Whatever she writes... I enjoy taking a peek at her journal entries. I wish she would post more of them

Pip


I would think most in the UK probably don't know who he is...


Chris

[Dreammms]

:lol::lol::lol::lol: Every time I try to explain one of the Ledge fights to someone I know in real life, they just look at me like I'm crazy. Usually there's some kind of comment like "Do the people on the Ledge work or go to school?" Oh well. That's the Ledge.


:laugh: :laugh: the funny thing is with all the complaints, arguments, etc. on the ledge...we all still come back here! shows how much we deeply do love it.

[trackaghost]

I don't know who he is either Pip!

[ShangriLaTroubl]

:laugh: :laugh: the funny thing is with all the complaints, arguments, etc. on the ledge...we all still come back here! shows how much we deeply do love it.


shut up you nag champa burnin reebok wearing, coked out has been wanna be!

Chris

[GateandGarden]

Funny thing is half of us here do this WHILE AT our jobs lol

ChrisYeah, I posted here when I was at work last semester and things were slow. I can't resist. This place is addictive.

I mean there's one LEdgie who has repeatedly said stuff like "She's not human" "she's really an angel" or some such nonesense -that FREAKS me out -and annoys the **** out of me.I don't know who you're referring to but that drives me crazy, too. I just don't get it.

Oh - and the shipper thing - totally don't get that either....:laugh:Same here.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I don't know who he is either Pip!


if u dont know who he is that is probably why you didnt expect the 911 connection...


Chris

[GateandGarden]

:laugh: :laugh: the funny thing is with all the complaints, arguments, etc. on the ledge...we all still come back here! shows how much we deeply do love it.Yep. I've gotten really pissed off at some people but at the same time there is just so much about this place I love. Keeps me coming back. I've never been so loyal to a message board. I've never had half as many posts at any other message as I have here.

[DrummerDeanna]

[COLOR=Navy]I don't know who you're referring to but that drives me crazy, too. I just don't get it.

Same here.


Yeah - I don't want to "name names" lol....but yeah - the über obsessiveness scares me - thinking Stevie's some unhuman being from above...um yikes :eek:

I used to think I was SOO unhealthily obsessed - then I found the Ledge and realized I'm not as crazy as I thought - there are bigger crazies than me out there :laugh:

[Dreammms]

shut up you nag champa burnin reebok wearing, coked out has been wanna be!

Chris

Stop dressing up in your wanna be Stevie outfits and twirling around to Alice.

[paleshadow]

That's what I found odd; not her self-involved letter writing (we all know homegirl cannot get over herself), but the fact that she shared the letter. Kind of weird. Like, what point did it serve?

I did find it cool that she made it more personal than "Get well soon," though.
Yeah, it's definitely not the letter itself. I think anytime you reach out to try and make someone feel better, it's the intention behind what you are doing that matters. I think that there were probably a lot of celebrities who reached out to Peter in similar ways but I don't think you are going to see many of them publicize it necessarily. I would feel differently if say, Peters wife, or a family member came out and said "I wanted to share this wonderful letter that Peter received from Stevie Nicks" than her doing it. If we pretend that this isn't Stevie we are talking about for a minute, it might seem a little contrived. What I really don't think I will ever understand is how when people are critical about Stevie, even if it is in a rational way, so many people react like you just pushed their kid off a swing at the playground.

[GateandGarden]

I used to think I was SOO unhealthily obsessed - then I found the Ledge and realized I'm not as crazy as I thought - there are bigger crazies than me out there :laugh:Yeah! I mean, I have so many Stevie CDs that I've bought and made, and I have entire sections of my room at which the walls are covered with pictures of her and I love gazing at them, yet there are people who are more obsessed than I am! :shocked: Who knew? :laugh:

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Stop dressing up in your wanna be Stevie outfits and twirling around to Alice.


Hey IT'S A STEVIE THONG OK? It's got shawls and beads hanging from it, smells like nag champa too..lol

[hayley]

True - but the fact is she did express her condolences and then she told us of how she related to Mr. Jennings exactly how he helped her through a rough time. I mean if she had used some other horrible world even instead of 9/11, would it have been better?
The thing is- my posts weren't critical of the journal entry in particular, not like others.

Peter Jennings got me and Stevie through 9/11. Rock. I found her letter about Walter Reed way, way more cloying for some reason.
I meant that about Peter. I've taken his death very badly, and I do remember how absolutely amazing he was on 9/11. I think it's cool Stevie and I were experiencing the same thing.
Personally, I have no real problem with her journal entry. I appreciate her thinking of Peter, as I have been in the last couple of days. But am I tired of constantly hearing the retread of her 9/11 experience, and how it was her personal mission to heal the world with her songs? Yep.

What I WAS crabby about the people who WERE critical getting the lame "and they call themself a fan?!" comments. Yeah. Nancy, who's gone to how many shows? and spends how much of her time and resources on making an awesome website for our little community? isn't a fan, because she thinks Stevie's letter is self-absorbed? THAT is what annoys me. I don't like Stevie bashing either.

Maybe it's just because I really don't visit the Stevie board that I'm hopping all over this. I guess the bashing of Stevie and the bashing of Stevie bashers is too common here and not something to argue about anymore.

[GateandGarden]

What I really don't think I will ever understand is how when people are critical about Stevie, even if it is in a rational way, so many people react like you just pushed their kid off a swing at the playground.You said it!

[Dreammms]

Hey IT'S A STEVIE THONG OK? It's got shawls and beads hanging from it, smells like nag champa too..lol

OMG! I can't believe how hot you just made me....

[ShangriLaTroubl]

The thing is- my posts weren't critical of the journal entry in particular, not like others.


I meant that about Peter. I've taken his death very badly, and I do remember how absolutely amazing he was on 9/11. I think it's cool Stevie and I were experiencing the same thing.


What I WAS crabby about the people who WERE critical getting the lame "and they call themself a fan?!" comments. Yeah. Nancy, who's gone to how many shows? and spends how much of her time and resources on making an awesome website for our little community? isn't a fan, because she thinks Stevie's letter is self-absorbed? THAT is what annoys me. I don't like Stevie bashing either.

Maybe it's just because I really don't visit the Stevie board that I'm hopping all over this. I guess the bashing of Stevie and the bashing of Stevie bashers is too common here and not something to argue about anymore.


I find it kind of funny you are quoting yourself---lol

I guess I need to read back because I don't think I read anyone saying someone wasn't a fan because of their opinion in this thread, but maybe I'm wrong---I will read back and see.. And you're right the stevie bashing/and stevie bashers bashing (lol) is very common here...and most of us, even the obsessed Stevie fans like myself, have come to just humor it and play along

Chris

[gldstwmn]

August 7, 2005

As I’m sure you must know by now~ Peter Jennings died today. The night he told us on his news show that he had cancer~ I went straight to my desk and wrote him this letter. I thought I would share it with you.



Dear Peter Jennings~

My name is Stevie Nicks. Tonight I listened to you tell the world that you had lung cancer. As a studied singer – I heard your golden voice sound a little hoarse. I also heard in your voice that you were ready to go to war with it. That is good~ because cancer~ waits for no one. And you must win this battle, you see, because in many ways you are the soft reassuring voice that tells us everyday what is going on in our troubled world. We are not ready to give that voice up, and I feel that you are not ready to take it from us.

I don’t like the news very much. I was in New York on 9-11. I flew in from Toronto that Monday night to do a show in Rochester on Wednesday and Radio City on Friday. I went to sleep at 7:30am, and was awakened at 11am. The towers had fallen, no cars on the street, the world was changed, the angels cried. My shows were cancelled due to an act of war. (Not since Pearl Harbor…) Along with all the broken hearted I watched you and listened to you. I thought “this is the worst thing that happened in my whole life~” We were in classic ‘lock-down’ – at the Waldorf=Astoria, and your voice sang on. I marveled at your strength. You walked me through it.

I wanted to go home. I called my friend, Don Henley. He said, “If you can stand it, stay out there, take people’s minds off this tragedy, if just for a moment.” I called my parents. My mother said, “This is what you can do for your country, sing your songs to them, give them a little peace.” So I did- I stayed on the road until October~ The “Trouble in Shangri-La” Tour. The summer of 9-11~ and the voice of Peter Jennings. I would say, Peter is my favorite.

So, having said all that, I know that going through chemotherapy is a lot of time on an I.V.~ so I am sending you some music. The last CD~ Trouble in Shangri-La (oh yes…) being, I think, my little masterpiece. I think some of my songs might help you pass this time (and keep you dancing). Writing my songs is the first great love of my life, giving them to someone I think needs them~ is the second great love of my life.

…And even if at some point, you have to wear that fabulous~ Versace Bandana, you’ll still be the handsomest guy on T.V.

Thanks for all that you do~

Love,
Stevie Nicks



Last night, was the last night of my tour. We have been working since May~nonstop. We started in Las Vegas~ and we ended in Las Vegas. My father has been very ill for weeks. He fell the day after Reno~ and broke his leg. They were able, finally, to go in and fix it yesterday. Thank goodness~ he lived through the surgery. In all honesty, we didn’t think he would. So going on stage for the last 3 shows has been extremely difficult for me, Rise above it~ the show must go on~ or so say the circus people. Be positive. Believe in the angels. Believe he will get well. Believe that all those injured boys at Walter Reed will get well~ and believe that Peter Jennings and his golden voice will fight through his cancer and come back to us~ and make some sense out of this crazy world~ Well, sometimes things just aren’t meant to be. He was one of those special beings~ rare and beautiful~ one of the great ones~

I am so sad about this~
I simply ~
Adored him…

And~
If you smoke~
Please stop

I love her!http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/geno/licktear.gif

[GateandGarden]

I guess I need to read back because I don't think I read anyone saying someone wasn't a fan because of their opinion in this thread, but maybe I'm wrong---I will read back and see.. Laura said this earlier--

"No kidding... the tone of some of these posts sickens me and makes me wonder... "fan" - ?? To use a worn-out word ... "whateva.""

[gldstwmn]

At the risk of sounding "self-absorbed"...

I'm sitting here and tears are absolutely pouring down my face. I've been an on/off smoker since age 13. Never a heavy smoker. I guess it doesn't matter. For the last several months I've had sores inside my mouth and on my tounge. The doctors are saying it's probably nothing but they prefer for me to quit smoking, period... forever. When they told me this, I freaked out and kept smoking my "one cigarette each night before I go to bed." And now this... I am taking this public and professing from here on out, I will do what Stevie says and stop smoking, forever. I pray it's not "too late."

Good for you! I wish you much success and health.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Laura said this earlier--

"No kidding... the tone of some of these posts sickens me and makes me wonder... "fan" - ?? To use a worn-out word ... "whateva.""


Thanks I didnt really feel like reading through it all again...That's stupid. I am often critical of Stevie sometimes (usually in a loving way i must add!) and I think I'm plenty of a "fan." I agree though some "fans" (like the ones who like to say others arent fans) like to think that you have to be something particular to be a "fan" or you have to never say a harsh word about Stevie, or never be critical--and you must live in a fantasy world and believe everything she does is gold---and distance yourself from reality to be a FAN.. Not a good comment LAURA...WHATEVA is right

Anyway, RIP PETER

Chris

[GypsySorcerer]

I love Stevie, I own all her albums & I think she's amazing. But that doesn't mean I have to love everything she does and says.
I did find it a bizarre letter although it was well-meaning.

Agreed to all you said.

[BTFLCHLD]

she could have done nothing...she could have wrote get well...she could have sent flowers...she could have wrote youve got cancer aw too bad...but she shared a piece of herself and expressed what he means to her...whats wrong with that???? :rolleyes:

[gldstwmn]

She was out on the road while her Dad is dying...not for money...because she had to be.


What do you mean? :confused:

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I agree also with whoever said the letter about the boys at Walter Reed was a lot more awkward than this one--although again I think her intentions were good--I just cringed at the 9/11 and Iraq War "connection" that she referenced to...I know you HATE the news Stevie, but by now you should atleast know there is no connection lol

Chris

[GateandGarden]

OMG! I can't believe how hot you just made me....:lol::lol::lol:

[ShangriLaTroubl]

What do you mean? :confused:


Stevie made reference in the journal entry that they didnt know if her Dad would make it through his recent surgery, while she was on tour...and it was hard for her being away


And yeah Kelly, while this tour has been great and all, it surely is about money--lol. According to RS mag she was given a "large" upfront guarantee

Chris

[gldstwmn]

And I know some of laughed when you got to the "don't smoke" part, but it saddened me. Did she really think that was going to make someone stop?

You never know. Sometimes it just has to be the right time and place to receive the message.

[GateandGarden]

You never know. Sometimes it just has to be the right time and place to receive the message.If it does inspire someone to try to quit, that I do think that is beyond wonderful. I'm a cynic about it because of past experiences, but you're right--you never know.

[gldstwmn]

That would be a great story... if she had really quit. I can count at least five SYW shows I saw her or heard about her smoking backstage at.


I am very saddened by this and also by the "rumours" that she still smokes pot. Pardon the bad pun.

[Dreammms]

And yeah Kelly, while this tour has been great and all, it surely is about money--lol. According to RS mag she was given a "large" upfront guarantee

Chris

Of course it's about money. Why else would she doing the tour for?

Just wanted to add I don't think it's bad that she wants the money.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I laughed at the "dont smoke" part because of seeing her smoke herself in 2004 in Atlanta...but hey maybe it was just a one time urge thing...or maybe she was smoking something else

Chris

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Of course it's about money. Why else would she doing the tour for?

Just wanted to add I don't think it's bad that she wants the money.


Well because it's "been a long time" since she rock n rolled!! OOOH YEA OOH YEA...lol..Well I'm a believer that she's been touring for the love of money since 1997...so I could care less--altho I do believe while she loves the money (I would too!) She also loves just being out there, playing

Chris

[gldstwmn]

I just can't see Peter Jennings being a Stevie fan and listening to her while hooked to an IV.

I don't think there were any IV's. I could be wrong but I think he decided to forego that route.

[GateandGarden]

I am very saddened by this and also by the "rumours" that she still smokes pot. Pardon the bad pun.Of course it is her life and I have no say, but I think I would rather she smoke pot than cigarettes.

[Dreammms]

I laughed at the "dont smoke" part because of seeing her smoke herself in 2004 in Atlanta...but hey maybe it was just a one time urge thing...or maybe she was smoking something else

Chris

Yeah but you can usually tell the difference when somebody is smoking a joint or a cig....

[wondergirl9847]

True - but the fact is she did express her condolences and then she told us of how she related to Mr. Jennings exactly how he helped her through a rough time. I mean if she had used some other horrible world even instead of 9/11, would it have been better?

It's been almost 4 years, but it's still fresh in everyone's mind in relation to newscasters. If she had said "When you covered the gulf war, I remember your soothing voice and calm demeanor which helped comfort America.", that would have been the same thing, she's just using an example (fresh in her mind) about how he helped comfort her and everyone. :shrug:

Yes, Stevie is self-absorbed, so is Lindsey and every other celebrity/musician/actor...in the spotlight. LOL If I had yes men telling me every minute of the day I was wonderful and perfect, I would be too.

[GateandGarden]

Yeah but you can usually tell the difference when somebody is smoking a joint or a cig....I really don't know how to tell! :laugh: :o

[ShangriLaTroubl]

:wavey: Yeah but you can usually tell the difference when somebody is smoking a joint or a cig....


Not when you are far away--plus many people hold a joint like a cig, so it wont be noticed

Chris

[Dreammms]

Well because it's "been a long time" since she rock n rolled!! OOOH YEA OOH YEA...lol..Well I'm a believer that she's been touring for the love of money since 1997...so I could care less--altho I do believe while she loves the money (I would too!) She also loves just being out there, playing

Chris

I would love the money too. Yes, I also agree Stevie does love being out there and entertaining. She seems to be enjoying herself. Especially when she was dueting with Don.

[gldstwmn]

Oh man, to have Homie in here right now. If y'all think you've met some critical people--Homie is ready to write her off completely. :rolleyes:

That's his problem.

[Dreammms]

:wavey:


Not when you are far away--plus many people hold a joint like a cig, so it wont be noticed

Chris


But the way they inhale it is different too. You can just tell. But you were far away...

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I would love the money too. Yes, I also agree Stevie does love being out there and entertaining. She seems to be enjoying herself. Especially when she was dueting with Don.


Well ughh she actually seemed to enjoy herself MORE when the tour with Don was over--but hey what would you know? You were too cheap to go to a Gold Dust Tour show

Chris

[ShangriLaTroubl]

But the way they inhale it is different too. You can just tell. But you were far away...


You've never seen my mom inhale a ciggarette then lol

Chris

[wondergirl9847]

For Pip, Sharon and all other UK Ledgies, Peter was a journalist on television (nightly news). He was one of the many journalists there for 9-11, as a constant voice letting everyone know what was going on and such. He had a great, kind-sounding voice (he was Canadian, but I believe became an American citizen after 9-11) and was a handsome man too. :) He will be missed greatly.

[GateandGarden]

That's his problem.Ah, but he would say it's not a problem. That's just our perception. :shrug: Homie is my friend but I think he's over the top with the Stevie hatred and I think he knows that.

[Dreammms]

Well ughh she actually seemed to enjoy herself MORE when the tour with Don was over--but hey what would you know? You were too cheap to go to a Gold Dust Tour show

Chris


:lol: :lol: don't rub it in bastard!

hmm well welll you are too lazy to trade for dvds so you have me send them all to you

[gldstwmn]

I think it's just the nature of performers to be rather self-absorbed. She had good intentions with that letter to Jennings and I think she wanted it posted for a reason on the Nicks Fix. Stevie is the first to admit she's a spoiled little rock and roll princess. And god love her for it. Yeah, I cringed a little seeing that letter she wrote but I love Stevie and I know that in her heart she thought she was doing the right thing when she sent it. So can we cut her some slack on this?

And yes, there are people who come to the Stevie Nicks forum on the Ledge just to bash her, who think she's the worst thing that ever happened to Fleetwood Mac. Obviously, I'm a chiffon-head and think and feel much differently about her, but I have NEVER deluded myself into thinking she was a perfect angel sent down from heaven above--or as someone put it earlier, ****s gold dust. I love her in spite of her flaws--because guess what--that makes her human. Just like the rest of us.

Okay--personal story time here: My father was a three-pack-a-day smoker for over 25 years. It took him numerous attempts and about 10 years to finally quit but he did. And he's still here today, at nearly 80, kicking ass. I've heard stories that Stevie relapses now and then but at least she's trying and that's the best first step that you can take-the attempt, as with any addiction. I watched two more family members die of lung cancer, my uncle, a long-time smoker, and an aunt, who never smoked. It's an ugly, ugly disease and anything you can do to encourage someone not to smoke is well worth the effort as 85% of all people diagnosed with lung cancers are smokers.

I heard last night while watching some of the coverage re Jennings death that the addiction to nicotine is more powerful than that of cocaine or heroin. Think about that for a minute. Don't jump down the throat of someone who in in the process of quitting because they relapse--instead, praise and support them as they fight that addiction.

Last night I watched one of my favorite newscasters (MSNBC's Keith Olbermann) recount a story about how he was told in 1991 that he had a growth in his mouth he needed to watch. But how he kept on smoking anyway. And how about 10 days ago, they removed what they thought at the time was a cancerous tumor from the roof of his mouth. It turned out benign but he apparently had the crap scared out of him and has finally realized he has to stop smoking. That's how powerful the addiction to smoking can be--that you have been warned to stop, that you KNOW you have a foreign growth in your body, and you keep on smoking anyway.

And as he pointed out last night in his ending segment, and this is a direct quote from that transcript, " I understand about the addiction and how they hook you and all of that. I‘m a smoker, remember? It would be terrible enough to have cancer, but on top of it, you‘d have cancer and you‘d have to stop smoking at the same time. Guess what? It‘s easier to stop smoking when you do not have cancer. Ever thought of that before?"

Amen brother. Amen.

Applause! Best post I have read today. :thumbsup:

[Dreammms]

You've never seen my mom inhale a ciggarette then lol

Chris

:lol: :lol:

hopefully one day i will see :o

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Peter is really in a way a part of history..he was in Berlin in the 60s when the wall went up, and then when it came down..He was a journalist during the civil rights movement..Also one of the first reporters to go to Vietnam in the 60s..He first joined ABC in the 60s,.

A little tid bit from ABC :

"On Dec. 31, 1999, Jennings anchored ABC's Peabody-award winning coverage of Millennium Eve, "ABC 2000." At least 175 million Americans watched the telecast, making it the biggest live global television event ever. "The day belonged to ABC News," praised The Washington Post, "… with Peter Jennings doing a nearly superhuman job of anchoring." Jennings was the only anchor to appear live for 25 consecutive hours.


Jennings led the network's coverage of the Sept. 11 attacks and America's subsequent war on terrorism. He anchored more than 60 hours that week during the network's longest continuous period of news coverage, and was widely praised for providing a reassuring voice during the time of crisis. TV Guide called him "the center of gravity," while the Washington Post wrote, "Jennings, in his shirt sleeves, did a Herculean job of coverage." The coverage earned ABC News Peabody and duPont awards.
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[gldstwmn]

I don't know who he is either Pip!

Jennings, Tom Brokaw and Dan Rather were all anchormen/journalists for the big three networks (ABC, CBS and NBC). They all have left their jobs (Brokaw and Rather retired) recently, leaving many people to wonder what will become of the evening news and how much it has changed during their tenure. You probably have never seen them unless you were over here watching the news.

[DeeGeMe]

Applause! Best post I have read today. :thumbsup:

Thanks Goldie!!! And thanks to Keith Olbermann for making that oh-so-eloquent statement last night about his own brush with cancer and his own struggle with nicotine addiction.

And uhm--for those of you who don't know who Peter Jennings was, let me say that I'm one of those people who he helped get through 9/11. Dan Rather and Tom Brokaw and Peter Jennings are (actually now all WERE) the big three names here in broadcast news in the U.S.--and both Brokaw and Rather retired earlier this year, then Peter got sick.

Anyway, the day of 9/11, Rather was wound tighter than usual--he was the guy I usually watched but on that day--he was getting on my damned nerves, and Brokaw was stammering and I just needed to be soothed and Peter Jennings was the guy who did that for me on that terrible day. So he will always hold a special place in my heart for that on that day, as apparently he does for Stevie as well.

I think Stevie is a love/hate kind of personality and it's incidents like this that give her critics plenty of ammo. But if some people hate her so much it makes me wonder why they feel so compelled to read about her to begin with-wouldn't it just easier to NOT read anything about her or stay away from forums where you know she has fans? Jut asking.

Some of us both love and adore her but don't necessarily think she's perfect either. And the people who do think she's perfect scare the crap out of me as much as the ones who hate her so very much.

[gldstwmn]

Yeah, I posted here when I was at work last semester and things were slow. I can't resist. This place is addictive.



Yes it is and it is the lively debate and diversity of the members that keep it that way.

[gldstwmn]

I agree also with whoever said the letter about the boys at Walter Reed was a lot more awkward than this one--although again I think her intentions were good--I just cringed at the 9/11 and Iraq War "connection" that she referenced to...I know you HATE the news Stevie, but by now you should atleast know there is no connection lol

Chris

I know...I know. :(

[wondergirl9847]

I think Stevie is a love/hate kind of personality and it's incidents like this that give her critics plenty of ammo. But if some people hate her so much it makes me wonder why they feel so compelled to read about her to begin with-wouldn't it just easier to NOT read anything about her or stay away from forums where you know she has fans? Jut asking.

I will NEVER understands this mentality. People who go to various boards and bash continuously. If you don't like that person, go to the board of someone you DO like. I can understand bashing someone on a board of someone you like (we do it to Clay Aiken on the Justin board. LOL), but to go rile people up, sesly, people.

[gldstwmn]

Stevie made reference in the journal entry that they didnt know if her Dad would make it through his recent surgery, while she was on tour...and it was hard for her being away
Chris

No, I wanted to know what Kelly meant by saying Stevie "had to be" on tour. Why, at this point in her career does she have to do anything? I was just looking for a little clarification there.

[catinthedark]

Personal story, which explains why I was so saddened to hear about Peter's death: I had the honour of meeting Peter Jennings in 1995. I was a silly little 25-year-old, right out of journalism school, working as a researcher in a Montreal newsroom. Peter was in town to cover the Quebec referendum - and was broadcasting from our station. Well, I was in awe, and sort of stood back and just listened to him talking to his team, and stayed out of his way. But at one point in the day, he came over to me and started to talk to me about Quebec politics. He wanted to know my take on it. A naive little 25-year-old. But that was what made him a great journalist. He didn't purport to know it all. He knew the importance of talking to people about their experiences. He was charming and so humble - didn't take himself too seriously. He gave me his contact numbers - told me to call him if I was ever in New York and wanted to visit ABC News. I regret now that I never had that chance. Anyway - I have carried that experience with me throughout my own TV news career. He's been an inspiration. He was in a class all his own. His death is a huge loss.

[GateandGarden]

Personal story, which explains why I was so saddened to hear about Peter's death: I had the honour of meeting Peter Jennings in 1995. I was a silly little 25-year-old, right out of journalism school, working as a researcher in a Montreal newsroom. Peter was in town to cover the Quebec referendum - and was broadcasting from our station. Well, I was in awe, and sort of stood back and just listened to him talking to his team, and stayed out of his way. But at one point in the day, he came over to me and started to talk to me about Quebec politics. He wanted to know my take on it. A naive little 25-year-old. But that was what made him a great journalist. He didn't purport to know it all. He knew the importance of talking to people about their experiences. He was charming and so humble - didn't take himself too seriously. He gave me his contact numbers - told me to call him if I was ever in New York and wanted to visit ABC News. I regret now that I never had that chance. Anyway - I have carried that experience with me throughout my own TV news career. He's been an inspiration. He was in a class all his own. His death is a huge loss.
I'm sorry that you didn't get to visit him again, but I think it's wonderful that you met him and that it stays with you as such a positive experience. Thanks for sharing that story.

[JazmenFlowers]

I think Stevie is a love/hate kind of personality and it's incidents like this that give her critics plenty of ammo.
Some of us both love and adore her but don't necessarily think she's perfect either. And the people who do think she's perfect scare the crap out of me as much as the ones who hate her so very much.

I don't think she is at all a love/hate kind of personality. Just my opinion.

And I do think Stevie is perfect! :) No, seriously, she's got issues, but good lord, she sent the man a letter and was very sweet. So maybe a little of the rock and roll princess seeped out, so what? I don't see it, but ok, if it did, appreciate her sentiment and let it go.

[gldstwmn]

Of course it's about money. Why else would she doing the tour for?

Just wanted to add I don't think it's bad that she wants the money.

There are very few people who don't want money. :laugh:

[David]

[COLOR=Navy]Also, when she called TISL her "little masterpiece," I couldn't help but laugh. I'm pretty sure I could never call any of my works "my masterpiece."Remember when she told Jim Ladd, in all seriousness, "Nobody loves a poet, Jim"? I thought, "How weird to aggrandize oneself as a poet during a KMET radio interview." Stevie doesn't exactly wait for Frank Kermode or John Hollander to put her in the Norton Anthology of Poetry, does she?

But, hey, that's my Stevie. The childlike in her is always present & always active. As the late, great Timothy White said in her 1981 Rolling Stone article, a lot of people share Stevie's inclination to fantasy & fairy tale, but Stevie brings along a pup tent & camps out there. If you stop to think about it, what other sort of personality could possibly sing "Sisters of the Moon" or "Rhiannon"? Stevie's definitely all of a piece.
Kelly pointed out that Stevie has always been self-absorbed and if anyone who has been a fan for any length of time has figured that out. I guess I am finally realizing that.It shouldn't necessarily change the way you dig her songs or her singing, but stepping back a bit & seeing some of these other aspects -- outside the brilliant, white light -- gives you something else to chew on.
Suze said self-absorption is part of her charm, and I have to say that I don't find that charming.
[QUOTE]And I know some of laughed when you got to the "don't smoke" part, but it saddened me. Did she really think that was going to make someone stop?Possibly people who are already tuned into Stevie's magic. People who are already in Stevie's sway "listen" to her far more closely than the rest of us.
Also, I never realized before why some fans write things like this ~and now I see that, ~for some bizarre reason, ~Stevie must write with that symbol everywhere all the time. ~Why? :laugh:It's just ... Stevie. Kindhearted but Ditz City.

So, did Peter Jennings receive Stevie's letter & CD? What did he say about it or think about it? Did he write her a thank-you note?

[gldstwmn]

Of course it is her life and I have no say, but I think I would rather she smoke pot than cigarettes.

Pot has approximately 3 times the carcinogens of cigarettes. I really don't want to veer off into this but the woman has asthma and is a singer. :distress:

[skcin]

It's just ... Stevie. Kindhearted but Ditz City.



I don't always agree with you David, but you just hit the nail on the head.

[gldstwmn]

Ah, but he would say it's not a problem. That's just our perception. :shrug: Homie is my friend but I think he's over the top with the Stevie hatred and I think he knows that.


Like I said, that's his problem, not mine or yours. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

Personal story, which explains why I was so saddened to hear about Peter's death: I had the honour of meeting Peter Jennings in 1995. I was a silly little 25-year-old, right out of journalism school, working as a researcher in a Montreal newsroom. Peter was in town to cover the Quebec referendum - and was broadcasting from our station. Well, I was in awe, and sort of stood back and just listened to him talking to his team, and stayed out of his way. But at one point in the day, he came over to me and started to talk to me about Quebec politics. He wanted to know my take on it. A naive little 25-year-old. But that was what made him a great journalist. He didn't purport to know it all. He knew the importance of talking to people about their experiences. He was charming and so humble - didn't take himself too seriously. He gave me his contact numbers - told me to call him if I was ever in New York and wanted to visit ABC News. I regret now that I never had that chance. Anyway - I have carried that experience with me throughout my own TV news career. He's been an inspiration. He was in a class all his own. His death is a huge loss.


Great story Cat. :thumbsup:

[SapphireSister]

Alright I just read through all 8 pages of this thread and I'm having really mixed emotions. On one hand I definitely saw the self-indulgent side of her with bringing up 9-11 and the whole masterpiece thing, etc. but it's not the first time I've heard her speak of this so I wasn't taken back. In the Jim Ladd interview before Vegas I remember her talking about 9-11 and about how it happened during the tour and I almost felt as if she was saying 9-11 got in the way of her masterpiece and that the album would have done a lot better if it hadn't gotten lost in the drama of 9-11. That was a tad bit disturbing.

I also don't think it's necessary for us to sit here and judge Stevie on her letter. If there's one thing I've learned from living in Los Angeles it's that celebrities live in a completely different reality than we do. As many people have said they are pampered and catered too and the world revolves around them and Stevie is no exception. She has no children, no husband, so in reality the only person she really has to focus on is herself. She has lived this way for 30 years and it's really all she knows so who can blame her. I think we need to look at the larger picture and at her intent in writing the letter. She has a huge heart and she didn't have to write the letter.

P.S. who cares if she smokes occasionally and still tells people to stop smoking. Damn she's not God people! I can't imagine being a celebrity and having to live up to everyone's expectations. Thank the good Lord she doesn't read this board.

[sparky]

By page three of this thread I was exhausted. I have no powerful feelings for Peter Jennings either way. It is certainly a loss that he is gone. I feel for his family, having experienced many losses myself ( I won't insert any poetry here...don't want to be self indulgent or anything).

It goes without saying that I am critical of Stevie whenever I think she is below par or doing something silly. I bash her work when I think it sucks.

Of course she is self absorbed. Anyone surprised by this ? She's a friggin performer. I find her note writing style unsophisticated and at about a junior high school level. BUT, I do not find her disingenuous. She wrote this guy a letter because she felt for him and wanted to reach out. I think she put it out there after he was gone to maybe help one person to quit smoking and not die a painful death from lung cancer.

Anyone else write a letter to a famous stranger lately when they were going thorugh a crisis ? Do something nice for someone you'd never met, just because you could ?

I am a misanthrope and a grouch, but man... I can give the woman some credit for being nice. No one held a gun to her head to write that letter. She did it because she wanted to help.

[Mokona]

That line about not smoking does seem out of sync if she herself is still smoking cigs, pot, whatever. What I've wanted to ask here for a long time but haven't had the guts to, is this - do any of you think she's still into cocaine? Someone gave me a link to this "A-List Hollywood" site where it supposedly has the low-down on a lot of celebs and they had a clip on Stevie where they basically said she's still into it, although she's doing it a different way now. I don't believe everything I read, but this has been at the back of my mind eating at me for awhile now. She wouldn't look and sound as good as she does if she was doing it, right?

As for the letter, it was a nice gesture. Sure, it could've been worded a little better, but the thought behind it was what counts.

[enchantd1]

You never know. Sometimes it just has to be the right time and place to receive the message.

This is very true. I have been a smoker for the past 15 years. I have tried and tried to quit. This past Saturday I decided to quit for good. I am on my 3rd day without a ciggarete and it REALLY SUCKS but I know I can get through it this time. Today has been especially horrible so when I checked Nicksfix on my lunch break Stevie's Journal entry really touched me. The stop smoking part at the end really grabbed me because Im in the middle of this quitting thing. I know some you thought it was funny and thats ok. I just wanted to let you guys know that quitting smoking is really really hard and this really did help me out with my quit today.

Wendy

[SapphireSister]

This is very true. I have been a smoker for the past 15 years. I have tried and tried to quit. This past Saturday I decided to quit for good. I am on my 3rd day without a ciggarete and it REALLY SUCKS but I know I can get through it this time. Today has been especially horrible so when I checked Nicksfix on my lunch break Stevie's Journal entry really touched me. The stop smoking part at the end really grabbed me because Im in the middle of this quitting thing. I know some you thought it was funny and thats ok. I just wanted to let you guys know that quitting smoking is really really hard and this really did help me out with my quit today.

Wendy

I'm with you. Believe it or not I never smoked until I was 26 and now I've been smoking for 2 years. I don't smoke a lot (2 ciggs a day on average) and when I drink but I still think it's terribly unhealthy. I've been thinking of quitting and the whole Peter Jennings thing really inspired me to make more of an effort to quit. I'm not saying I'm going to stop smoking because I read what Stevie said but it sure is some extra incentive.

[SapphireSister]

Someone gave me a link to this "A-List Hollywood" site where it supposedly has the low-down on a lot of celebs and they had a clip on Stevie where they basically said she's still into it, although she's doing it a different way now. I don't believe everything I read, but this has been at the back of my mind eating at me for awhile now. She wouldn't look and sound as good as she does if she was doing it, right?


I think that's total BS but then again anything is possible. I don't think she'd be able to stand up if she was doing coke today. I'm sure she still wants to but I highly doubt she's using at this point. Can you send a link to the site please?

[xxxmx]

do any of you think she's still into cocaine?
after what she went through, i seriously doubt she'd go back to it. i was a user/abuser and had a hard enough time quitting after two years of minimum three or four lines/day. she used for years and put up an unfathomable amount of coke. if i ever touch it again, it will be the most shameful and disappointing moral failure i hope to never experience. i believe that sentiment is shared by most addicts in recovery. sorry it's off topic in this thread, but i had to say it. NO. a few butts here and there is really nothing in comparison. cutting a line is, even if you don't actually take it - just watching it happen is scary.

[LiquidBlue5000]

I'm with you. Believe it or not I never smoked until I was 26 and now I've been smoking for 2 years. I don't smoke a lot (2 ciggs a day on average) and when I drink but I still think it's terribly unhealthy. I've been thinking of quitting and the whole Peter Jennings thing really inspired me to make more of an effort to quit. I'm not saying I'm going to stop smoking because I read what Stevie said but it sure is some extra incentive.

i smoked from ages 13-18... as soon as i turned 18, i quit and have never smoked since... at 19, i developed really bad bronchitus - so bad that i ended up in the hospital because of it.. when the doctors did an X-ray on my chest, they said that my lungs were black and looked like the lungs of a 55 year old man :(

lt's now been longer that i haven't smoked than the length of time i had smoked... i haven't checked to see if my lungs are now clear, but i hope to god they are...

i have dreams about smoking still to this very day.. but i will never ever do it... not worth it :distress: and i always tell everyone i know who does still smoke to quit, but they just don't seem to listen :rolleyes:

[SapphireSister]

i smoked from ages 13-18... as soon as i turned 18, i quit and have never smoked since... at 19, i developed really bad bronchitus - so bad that i ended up in the hospital because of it.. when the doctors did an X-ray on my chest, they said that my lungs were black and looked like the lungs of a 55 year old man :(

lt's now been longer that i haven't smoked than the length of time i had smoked... i haven't checked to see if my lungs are now clear, but i hope to god they are...

i have dreams about smoking still to this very day.. but i will never ever do it... not worth it :distress: and i always tell everyone i know who does still smoke to quit, but they just don't seem to listen :rolleyes:

Congrats on quitting! I wonder if my lungs are black? That would be really nasty :distress:.

[Mokona]

I didn't really think she was still into it either, but when you read unsettling gossip, somehow it seems to worm its way into your mind a little.

Besides, she seems so strong and healthy nowadays that if coke was back in her life again, she couldn't do the things she's doing now. It's a shame how a little Hollyweird gossip can bug me like that. :distress:

[Rickypt]

I think the letter was a very kind gesture. Stevie lives in her own world, so she probably doesn't know how to write without talking about herself. It doesn't make it any less sincere. There is so much meanness out there; I get inspired when someone takes a moment to acknowledge another's pain.

But the ~'s really bug me.

[wondergirl9847]

Anyone else write a letter to a famous stranger lately when they were going thorugh a crisis ? Do something nice for someone you'd never met, just because you could ?

When my grandfather died in 1994, I wrote letters to my favorite singers at that time. I poured out my heart to them, and their assistants wrote back to me. Amy Grant's people sent me a book relating to what I was going through and Michael W. Smith's people sent a sweet letter to comfort me. When I received that book, I started crying because it was such a nice gesture and they didn't have to do that. I had cried sooooo much and needed to vent out my frustration and grief. WHY would I write to them and not talk to my own family, well, because of their music, I connected with them. I've always connected with music, so I went that route, someone else may not, we're all different.

[Mokona]

after what she went through, i seriously doubt she'd go back to it. i was a user/abuser and had a hard enough time quitting after two years of minimum three or four lines/day. she used for years and put up an unfathomable amount of coke. if i ever touch it again, it will be the most shameful and disappointing moral failure i hope to never experience. i believe that sentiment is shared by most addicts in recovery. sorry it's off topic in this thread, but i had to say it. NO. a few butts here and there is really nothing in comparison. cutting a line is, even if you don't actually take it - just watching it happen is scary. Good for you for kicking the habit, xxxmx. You're a strong person for giving it up. Stay healthy!

[Serrart]

Not that I think Stevie walks above water, but I found it a very touching letter. She wrote him about her experience during 9-11 and told him she got through it, also thanks to him. She sent him TISL, explaining she chose that because she considered it her masterpiece. She shared her emotions with him, telling how he gave her strength in a very difficult moment of her life, and it seems to me she was just trying to do the same with him.

But I guess she should simply have gone:
Hey Peter,
always been a fan of yours,
get well soon!
Stevie Nicks

:rolleyes:
Romy

[gldstwmn]

This is very true. I have been a smoker for the past 15 years. I have tried and tried to quit. This past Saturday I decided to quit for good. I am on my 3rd day without a ciggarete and it REALLY SUCKS but I know I can get through it this time. Today has been especially horrible so when I checked Nicksfix on my lunch break Stevie's Journal entry really touched me. The stop smoking part at the end really grabbed me because Im in the middle of this quitting thing. I know some you thought it was funny and thats ok. I just wanted to let you guys know that quitting smoking is really really hard and this really did help me out with my quit today.

Wendy

Good luck to you Wendy. I hear chewing gum helps. Anyone ever try the patch? I'm not a smoker so...

[gldstwmn]

after what she went through, i seriously doubt she'd go back to it. i was a user/abuser and had a hard enough time quitting after two years of minimum three or four lines/day. she used for years and put up an unfathomable amount of coke. if i ever touch it again, it will be the most shameful and disappointing moral failure i hope to never experience. i believe that sentiment is shared by most addicts in recovery. sorry it's off topic in this thread, but i had to say it. NO. a few butts here and there is really nothing in comparison. cutting a line is, even if you don't actually take it - just watching it happen is scary.

Last time I saw someone do coke, I started having chest pains. :nod: They stopped as soon as I removed myself from the situation.

[strandinthewind]

Last time I saw someone do coke, I started having chest pains. :nod: They stopped as soon as I removed myself from the situation.

As you know - I cannot be around anyone doing that. It just makes me cringe.

[gldstwmn]

That line about not smoking does seem out of sync if she herself is still smoking cigs, pot, whatever. What I've wanted to ask here for a long time but haven't had the guts to, is this - do any of you think she's still into cocaine? Someone gave me a link to this "A-List Hollywood" site where it supposedly has the low-down on a lot of celebs and they had a clip on Stevie where they basically said she's still into it, although she's doing it a different way now. I don't believe everything I read, but this has been at the back of my mind eating at me for awhile now. She wouldn't look and sound as good as she does if she was doing it, right?



Are you talking about booty bumps? That's an old rumor.
I don't know if you saw her on the first leg of the Say You Will tour but that was definitely not the performance of someone who is high on cocaine.

[xxxmx]

Good for you for kicking the habit, xxxmx. You're a strong person for giving it up. Stay healthy!
thanks, i'm six years clean as of last week. nothing like celebrating that in vegas? i'm very lucky and so is stevie.

[enchantd1]

Good luck to you Wendy. I hear chewing gum helps. Anyone ever try the patch? I'm not a smoker so...

Thanks so much.. I really appreciate it. Yep, I am using the patch and it takes the edge off a lot and I think I am keeping Dentyne Ice and blow pops in business :) between all that and looking at my little 3 year old son every day and promising myself that I have to stay healthy for him I think I can do this.

SappireSister.. good luck to you as well. It's a tough thing to do no matter how many you smoke. I hope you are able to quit.

Brian W... Thanks for sharing your story. God, I can only image what my lungs look like.. thats scary to think about. I hate that you had to go through that but I'm glad you are ok now.

Oh well... back to work now :wavey: Thanks for listening to my quit smoking rants..

[GateandGarden]

Remember when she told Jim Ladd, in all seriousness, "Nobody loves a poet, Jim"? I thought, "How weird to aggrandize oneself as a poet during a KMET radio interview." Stevie doesn't exactly wait for Frank Kermode or John Hollander to put her in the Norton Anthology of Poetry, does she?

But, hey, that's my Stevie. The childlike in her is always present & always active. As the late, great Timothy White said in her 1981 Rolling Stone article, a lot of people share Stevie's inclination to fantasy & fairy tale, but Stevie brings along a pup tent & camps out there. If you stop to think about it, what other sort of personality could possibly sing "Sisters of the Moon" or "Rhiannon"? Stevie's definitely all of a piece.
It shouldn't necessarily change the way you dig her songs or her singing, but stepping back a bit & seeing some of these other aspects -- outside the brilliant, white light -- gives you something else to chew on.
Suze said self-absorption is part of her charm, and I have to say that I don't find that charming.
Possibly people who are already tuned into Stevie's magic. People who are already in Stevie's sway "listen" to her far more closely than the rest of us.
It's just ... Stevie. Kindhearted but Ditz City.

So, did Peter Jennings receive Stevie's letter & CD? What did he say about it or think about it? Did he write her a thank-you note?
Cool post, David. Yes, you're right--it gives me something else to chew on. I know well now that she's not perfect but I still love her. I think the best way to be able to see someone is realistically and I'm glad I'm seeing the things I don't care for as well as the things I love.

I'm also wondering if he had a response to the letter.

[GateandGarden]

Pot has approximately 3 times the carcinogens of cigarettes. I really don't want to veer off into this but the woman has asthma and is a singer. :distress:Oh, I didn't know that. :( Would you say it's okay in moderation, whereas smoking cigarettes in moderation (from what I understand) is nearly impossible?

[gldstwmn]

Oh, I didn't know that. :( Would you say it's okay in moderation, whereas smoking cigarettes in moderation (from what I understand) is nearly impossible?

I cannot answer your question as I don't really consider myself to be an objective source on this issue. :sorry:

[DrummerDeanna]

Wow - I didn't know pot had more carcinogens than ciggarettes..:eek: Crazy. I've got a friend who's a total pot head AND a smoker...in fact most of the potheads I know smoke in addition to smoking pot :shrug: sad.

[GateandGarden]

I cannot answer your question as I don't really consider myself to be an objective source on this issue. :sorry:It's okay. Thanks for being honest.

[David]

I don't always agree with you David, but you just hit the nail on the head.Join the club! And thank you.

I'm more & more convinced that it's not what I'm saying that gets people's hackles up, but something about my personality that comes through the words. If I signed the vast majority of my posts -- which are largely positive & good-natured -- with "GypsieStarshine" or "BellaBirdsOfRhiannon," my responses wouldn't get a passing thought. But when people see "David," the hairs on their neck stiffen & they go on "Stevie Alert" & I get censured for being mean or out of touch. It's a distressing phenomenon to me.

[GypsySorcerer]

thanks, i'm six years clean as of last week. nothing like celebrating that in vegas? i'm very lucky and so is stevie.

Congrats on six years. That is a HUGE accomplishment. :nod:

[strandinthewind]

Oh, I didn't know that. :( Would you say it's okay in moderation, whereas smoking cigarettes in moderation (from what I understand) is nearly impossible?

Well, I smoke in moderation and I know about ten other people who do as well.

[David]

SappireSister.. good luck to you as well. It's a tough thing to do no matter how many you smoke. I hope you are able to quit.We're talking about quitting smoking now on my mail list. People are of the opinion that you have to replace the smoking habit with another "habit," so you choose one that extends your life rather than shortens it. Everyone agreed that, for example, starting to run & working your way up to marathon level (the way Oprah did) is a great substitute because while you're in the endorphin high of running, your whole mind just totally rebels against the idea of smoking a cigarette, & that carries over into all aspects of your daily thinking.

You have to choose a substitute habit that affects your thinking just as strongly as smoking does -- I think that's the key. You have to choose something that makes you despise the idea of smoking. Maybe really getting into hatha yoga or something similar would do the trick, too. The idea of smoking has to become anathema & sickening to you.

[BTFLCHLD]

Wow - I didn't know pot had more carcinogens than ciggarettes..:eek: Crazy. I've got a friend who's a total pot head AND a smoker...in fact most of the potheads I know smoke in addition to smoking pot :shrug: sad. isnt it something like one joint = one pack of smokes?

[amber]

Oh, I didn't know that. :( Would you say it's okay in moderation, whereas smoking cigarettes in moderation (from what I understand) is nearly impossible?
That's what I would say. Well, not okay in moderation, but certainly preferable to smoking. Also, they have vaporizers now, and you do not get any smoke from those, only the pure THC, which to my knowledge is not carcinogenic. :)

" Why Cannabis Vaporization?

Vaporization is a technique for avoiding irritating respiratory toxins in marijuana smoke by heating cannabis to a temperature where the psychoactive ingredients evaporate without causing combustion.

Laboratory studies by California NORML and MAPS have found that vaporizers can efficiently deliver cannabinoids while eliminating or drastically reducing other smoke toxins.

Like tobacco, marijuana smoke contains toxins that are known to be hazardous to the respiratory system. Among them are the highly carcinogenic polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons, a prime suspect in cigarette-related cancers. These toxins are essentially a byproduct of combustion, separate from the pharmaceutically active components of marijuana, known as cannabinoids, which include THC. Although there is no proof that marijuana smoking causes cancer, chronic pot smokers have been shown to suffer an elevated risk of bronchitis and respiratory infections. Respiratory disease due to smoking may therefore rightly be regarded as the primary physiological hazard of marijuana.

Cannabis vaporizers are designed to let users inhale active cannabinoids while avoiding harmful smoke toxins. They do so by heating cannabis to a temperature of 180 - 200° C (356° - 392° F), just below the point of combustion where smoke is produced. At this point, THC and other medically active cannabinoids are emitted with little or none of the carcinogenic tars and noxious gases found in smoke. Many medical marijuana patients who find smoked marijuana highly irritating report effective relief inhaling through vaporizers. Users who are concerned about the respiratory hazards of smoking are strongly advised to use vaporizers. Alternative devices, such as waterpipes, have been shown to be ineffective at reducing the tars in marijuana smoke"

[amber]

We're talking about quitting smoking now on my mail list. People are of the opinion that you have to replace the smoking habit with another "habit," so you choose one that extends your life rather than shortens it. Everyone agreed that, for example, starting to run & working your way up to marathon level (the way Oprah did) is a great substitute because while you're in the endorphin high of running, your whole mind just totally rebels against the idea of smoking a cigarette, & that carries over into all aspects of your daily thinking.

You have to choose a substitute habit that affects your thinking just as strongly as smoking does -- I think that's the key. You have to choose something that makes you despise the idea of smoking. Maybe really getting into hatha yoga or something similar would do the trick, too. The idea of smoking has to become anathema & sickening to you.
I exercise when I'm not smoking. It works pretty well, however one of the strongest cravings I have sometimes for a cigarette is after I exercise. Strange. I also find cold turkey much easier than nicotine replacement therapy. Just saying.

[estranged4life]

:laugh: :laugh: the funny thing is with all the complaints, arguments, etc. on the ledge...we all still come back here! shows how much we deeply do love it.

a person addicted to S&M...It may hurt (opinions) but we always come back for more <img src="http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rhiannon/Headbang-Smilie.gif">

Brian "Sticks and stones may break my bones...But whips and chains excite me" j.

[BTFLCHLD]

Also, they have vaporizers now, and you do not get any smoke from those, only the pure THC, which to my knowledge is not carcinogenic. :) :wavey: :]

[hayley]

Join the club! And thank you.

I'm more & more convinced that it's not what I'm saying that gets people's hackles up, but something about my personality that comes through the words. If I signed the vast majority of my posts -- which are largely positive & good-natured -- with "GypsieStarshine" or "BellaBirdsOfRhiannon," my responses wouldn't get a passing thought. But when people see "David," the hairs on their neck stiffen & they go on "Stevie Alert" & I get censured for being mean or out of touch. It's a distressing phenomenon to me.
David, do you remember the week on the old Ledge years ago where we all posted under different names and personalities and no one knew who was posting as what?

[GateandGarden]

Well, I smoke in moderation and I know about ten other people who do as well.Wow, that many people? I've actually met only one person who just smokes occasionally.

[skcin]

a person addicted to S&M...It may hurt (opinions) but we always come back for more <img src="http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rhiannon/Headbang-Smilie.gif">

Brian "Sticks and stones may break my bones...But whips and chains excite me" j.


You said it, brother. :nod:

[GateandGarden]

David, do you remember the week on the old Ledge years ago where we all posted under different names and personalities and no one knew who was posting as what?I wish I'd been around for that. Of course I would have been the one person who was completely lost. :rolleyes:

[DrummerDeanna]

I wish I'd been around for that. Of course I would have been the one person who was completely lost. :rolleyes:



I would have been right there lost with you :laugh: I'm lost on here most of the time - and am usually the last one to figure things out :laugh:

[hayley]

I wish I'd been around for that. Of course I would have been the one person who was completely lost. :rolleyes:

It was awesome, but mildly mean spirited. I basically posted as a wyndchild all week. So much fun.

[amber]

thanks, i'm six years clean as of last week. nothing like celebrating that in vegas? i'm very lucky and so is stevie.
wait, wait. That's very awesome, congrats. But...how'd you get coke, and the money for it, when you were like...15? How weird. you're only 23, right? Hmmm.
Anyway, congrats again on your anniversary. :xoxo:

[Dreammms]

a person addicted to S&M...It may hurt (opinions) but we always come back for more <img src="http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rhiannon/Headbang-Smilie.gif">

Brian "Sticks and stones may break my bones...But whips and chains excite me" j.

:lol: :lol: great analogy

[sodascouts]

What I WAS crabby about the people who WERE critical getting the lame "and they call themself a fan?!" comments. Yeah. Nancy, who's gone to how many shows? and spends how much of her time and resources on making an awesome website for our little community? isn't a fan, because she thinks Stevie's letter is self-absorbed? THAT is what annoys me. I don't like Stevie bashing either.


Thanks, Hayley. I'm reading these responses in surprise. All this moral outrage against Stevie haters when no Stevie hate has been posted in the thread. Every criticism of her in this tread was qualified by compliments, mine included. At this point I'm pretty immune to accusations of not being a "real fan" but I have to shake my head at some of the mindless knee-jerking going on here.

[David]

David, do you remember the week on the old Ledge years ago where we all posted under different names and personalities and no one knew who was posting as what?I don't remember that specific instance here, but I can imagine how much fun it was! Did anyone get his nose bent out of shape over it?

[David]

It was awesome, but mildly mean spirited. I basically posted as a wyndchild all week. So much fun.Ach! I remember that name now! I thought that was on IRC?

[xxxmx]

wait, wait. That's very awesome, congrats. But...how'd you get coke, and the money for it, when you were like...15? How weird. you're only 23, right? Hmmm.
Anyway, congrats again on your anniversary. :xoxo:
you can be very young and very stupid simultaneously. and it didn't help that the guy i dated dealt.

ps, wtf was just up with the ledge?

[Rickypt]

I don't know if you saw her on the first leg of the Say You Will tour but that was definitely not the performance of someone who is high on cocaine.

That's an understatment!

[hayley]

I don't remember that specific instance here, but I can imagine how much fun it was! Did anyone get his nose bent out of shape over it?
I faintly remember Rhapsody going overboard with it, but I'm not really sure. I just remember how much fun I had posting as ~*~belladonnagypsyrhisara~*~ and talking about how Stevie's t.p. is probably way softer than what the rest of us use.

I miss IRC chats. Why don't we do that anymore?

[David]

I faintly remember Rhapsody going overboard with it, but I'm not really sure. I just remember how much fun I had posting as ~*~belladonnagypsyrhisara~*~ and talking about how Stevie's t.p. is probably way softer than what the rest of us use.AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rhapsody!!!!!!!!!!! What ever happened to that lady?

And remember Josh from New Mexico? Ken here would remember him, but I think Josh disappeared years ago. He probably grew up or something.
I miss IRC chats. Why don't we do that anymore?Probably because who the hell even has an IRC client installed on his computer any more!

[trackaghost]

Join the club! And thank you.

I'm more & more convinced that it's not what I'm saying that gets people's hackles up, but something about my personality that comes through the words. If I signed the vast majority of my posts -- which are largely positive & good-natured -- with "GypsieStarshine" or "BellaBirdsOfRhiannon," my responses wouldn't get a passing thought. But when people see "David," the hairs on their neck stiffen & they go on "Stevie Alert" & I get censured for being mean or out of touch. It's a distressing phenomenon to me.

I dunno I often piss people off too. That said I do wish I had used my own name instead of my current handle. Ah well, I'm stuck with it now.

[upontheventura]

Yeah the letter was hilariously self absorbed. But really heartfelt. And I agree that Stevie has ALWAYS been self absorbed. And let us not forget, Stevie grew up wealthy. Stevie considers heself a "Rock and Roll Fairy Princess", her words. She has also been described as an egotist. I think that letter was SO Stevie. But it came from her heart, and she is cool dame.

[GODDESS6]

Yeah the letter was hilariously self absorbed. But really heartfelt. And I agree that Stevie has ALWAYS been self absorbed. And let us not forget, Stevie grew up wealthy. Stevie considers heself a "Rock and Roll Fairy Princess", her words. She has also been described as an egotist. I think that letter was SO Stevie. But it came from her heart, and she is cool dame.
i agree w/ you~ stevie's ma said they had her brother chris becuz stevie was so spoiled :lol: , i don't think she intended to sound self-absorbed, it was however IMO very heartfelt, i really think there is alot of heart in it~

[sarafield]

Yeah the letter was hilariously self absorbed. But really heartfelt. And I agree that Stevie has ALWAYS been self absorbed. And let us not forget, Stevie grew up wealthy. Stevie considers heself a "Rock and Roll Fairy Princess", her words. She has also been described as an egotist. I think that letter was SO Stevie. But it came from her heart, and she is cool dame.

I completely agree! The most hilarious part of the letter, to me, was "We were in lockdown at the Waldorf Astoria."

[amber]

I completely agree! The most hilarious part of the letter, to me, was "We were in lockdown at the Waldorf Astoria."
:lol: :laugh:
oh, yeah! rough....

[sparky]

When my grandfather died in 1994, I wrote letters to my favorite singers at that time. I poured out my heart to them, and their assistants wrote back to me. Amy Grant's people sent me a book relating to what I was going through and Michael W. Smith's people sent a sweet letter to comfort me. When I received that book, I started crying because it was such a nice gesture and they didn't have to do that. I had cried sooooo much and needed to vent out my frustration and grief. WHY would I write to them and not talk to my own family, well, because of their music, I connected with them. I've always connected with music, so I went that route, someone else may not, we're all different.

This is awesome. :nod:

[strandinthewind]

I completely agree! The most hilarious part of the letter, to me, was "We were in lockdown at the Waldorf Astoria."

I guess I see that as factual - because it was. I guess maybe people think she is snobby for saying that. But, that is where she was and I think she was creating a story with personal facts :shrug: Would it have been better is she had been at the Sheraton :laugh: :rolleyes: :laugh:

[sparky]

I completely agree! The most hilarious part of the letter, to me, was "We were in lockdown at the Waldorf Astoria."

High class problem, indeed. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

High class problem, indeed. :laugh:

I was soooooooo gonna say that :laugh: :xoxo: :angel:

[dissention]

But she brought up the 9/11 experience to tell Mr. Jennings of a way in which he helped her. I mean she states " . . . and your voice sang on. I marveled at your strength. You walked me through it . . . ." So, it was relevant and a nice way to tell him a specific event that he helped her through and now she wanted to return the favor, etc.


I think the letter would have been nice if she had left it at that. But to ramble on and include the following? Yikes.

I wanted to go home. I called my friend, Don Henley. He said, “If you can stand it, stay out there, take people’s minds off this tragedy, if just for a moment.” I called my parents. My mother said, “This is what you can do for your country, sing your songs to them, give them a little peace.” So I did- I stayed on the road until October~ The “Trouble in Shangri-La” Tour. The summer of 9-11~

I think the rest of the letter is sweet and warm (save her touting TISL as her masterpiece), but when you're trying to make someone feel better, you should stop talking about yourself, your "masterpiece," how you helped the country, how you called your famous rock star ex, etc. Yes, if you want them to know that steak is for dinner, you have to let them hear it sizzle, but it just comes across as a little odd to talk about yourself like that when you're trying to comfort a cancer patient. That's all. :shrug:

[dissention]

shut up you nag champa burnin reebok wearing, coked out has been wanna be!

Chris

Who let Sara Rue in?

[wolfontherun]

My my! To all the nay sayers, well those who wear their hearts on their sleeves, as Stevie does, will always be vulnerable for it and open to criticism. Give the lady a break already.

[strandinthewind]

I think the letter would have been nice if she had left it at that. But to ramble on and include the following? Yikes.

I wanted to go home. I called my friend, Don Henley. He said, “If you can stand it, stay out there, take people’s minds off this tragedy, if just for a moment.” I called my parents. My mother said, “This is what you can do for your country, sing your songs to them, give them a little peace.” So I did- I stayed on the road until October~ The “Trouble in Shangri-La” Tour. The summer of 9-11~

I think the rest of the letter is sweet and warm (save her touting TISL as her masterpiece), but when you're trying to make someone feel better, you should stop talking about yourself, your "masterpiece," how you helped the country, how you called your famous rock star ex, etc. Yes, if you want them to know that steak is for dinner, you have to let them hear it sizzle, but it just comes across as a little odd to talk about yourself like that when you're trying to comfort a cancer patient. That's all. :shrug:

I knew you were a big ole softy - or maybe I gave you that softy - I mean - errr :] :] :] :]

[Serrart]

I think the letter would have been nice if she had left it at that. But to ramble on and include the following? Yikes.

I wanted to go home. I called my friend, Don Henley. He said, “If you can stand it, stay out there, take people’s minds off this tragedy, if just for a moment.” I called my parents. My mother said, “This is what you can do for your country, sing your songs to them, give them a little peace.” So I did- I stayed on the road until October~ The “Trouble in Shangri-La” Tour. The summer of 9-11~

I think the rest of the letter is sweet and warm (save her touting TISL as her masterpiece), but when you're trying to make someone feel better, you should stop talking about yourself, your "masterpiece," how you helped the country, how you called your famous rock star ex, etc. Yes, if you want them to know that steak is for dinner, you have to let them hear it sizzle, but it just comes across as a little odd to talk about yourself like that when you're trying to comfort a cancer patient. That's all. :shrug:

It seems Stevie forgot to ask Santa Claus the 'How to write to a celebrity a sweet and warm 'get well soon' letter if you are a celebrity too and don't want your fans dissect it word by word'' handbook.

Romy

[dissention]

When my grandfather died in 1994, I wrote letters to my favorite singers at that time. I poured out my heart to them, and their assistants wrote back to me. Amy Grant's people sent me a book relating to what I was going through and Michael W. Smith's people sent a sweet letter to comfort me. When I received that book, I started crying because it was such a nice gesture and they didn't have to do that. I had cried sooooo much and needed to vent out my frustration and grief. WHY would I write to them and not talk to my own family, well, because of their music, I connected with them. I've always connected with music, so I went that route, someone else may not, we're all different.

That is awesome, Christy. :xoxo:

Some people may laugh, but even though I'm not a religious person at all, I've always admired Tammy Faye. I wrote to her when I was 19 and going through a really hard time because I always saw her as someone who was incredibly strong and had the ability to face anything, and she sent me a beautiful letter not long afterwards. It helped me immensely and just goes to show that there a genuine, kindhearted people in the world who do care for others.

[dissention]

Join the club! And thank you.

I'm more & more convinced that it's not what I'm saying that gets people's hackles up, but something about my personality that comes through the words. If I signed the vast majority of my posts -- which are largely positive & good-natured -- with "GypsieStarshine" or "BellaBirdsOfRhiannon," my responses wouldn't get a passing thought. But when people see "David," the hairs on their neck stiffen & they go on "Stevie Alert" & I get censured for being mean or out of touch. It's a distressing phenomenon to me.

:laugh:

Well, I quite like your posts. They're good-natured and you have an attractive, daffy sense of humor. A good deal of them leave me scratching my head, but that's okay.

[DrummerDeanna]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rhapsody!!!!!!!!!!! What ever happened to that lady?

And remember Josh from New Mexico? Ken here would remember him, but I think Josh disappeared years ago. He probably grew up or something.
Probably because who the hell even has an IRC client installed on his computer any more!


OH man - I wasn't part of the old Ledge but Josh from New Mexico posted here fora bit too....and he was actually from my home town...so I knew that guy.

He's apparently in California now - and playing guitar is some band :shrug:

[SuzeQuze]

Personal story, which explains why I was so saddened to hear about Peter's death: I had the honour of meeting Peter Jennings in 1995. I was a silly little 25-year-old, right out of journalism school, working as a researcher in a Montreal newsroom. Peter was in town to cover the Quebec referendum - and was broadcasting from our station. Well, I was in awe, and sort of stood back and just listened to him talking to his team, and stayed out of his way. But at one point in the day, he came over to me and started to talk to me about Quebec politics. He wanted to know my take on it. A naive little 25-year-old. But that was what made him a great journalist. He didn't purport to know it all. He knew the importance of talking to people about their experiences. He was charming and so humble - didn't take himself too seriously. He gave me his contact numbers - told me to call him if I was ever in New York and wanted to visit ABC News. I regret now that I never had that chance. Anyway - I have carried that experience with me throughout my own TV news career. He's been an inspiration. He was in a class all his own. His death is a huge loss.

Wow. This is exactly how I would think he would be off camera. I'm glad you had that experience, how inspiring. 9/11 was a very difficult day for me already due to other circumstances. I really thought they were going to take me away with the straight jacket. Mr. Jennings was the only voice that reassured me. He really spoke with his heart and was selfless in his reverence to the event and the devastation. This was the type of catastophe that I expect someone to react to emotionally and if someone didn't I was very disturbed. Some people covering this were just too detached. I know you're supposed to be or whatever but I don't buy it. You have to have your heart in it. It is harder to be this way but more rewarding. Maybe he has been taken this way as a wakeup call. I don't know the reason but can't help but wonder. All of this discussion about lung cancer and quitting smoking is a good thing.

[dissention]

I knew you were a big ole softy

I'm not a complete bastard, contrary to popular opinion.

- or maybe I gave you that softy - I mean - errr :] :] :] :]

That's nothing to brag about. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

That's nothing to brag about. :laugh:

Well, after those HORRIFYING kareoke vids - I think I would give anyone one :wavey: :laugh:

[dissention]

It seems Stevie forgot to ask Santa Claus the 'How to write to a celebrity a sweet and warm 'get well soon' letter if you are a celebrity too and don't want your fans dissect it word by word'' handbook.

Romy

I just don't understand the point in sharing it. I don't find the letter to be as bad as most others, but I simply fail to see why she posted it on her site. It makes no sense to me.

[strandinthewind]

I just don't understand the point in sharing it. I don't find the letter to be as bad as most others, but I simply fail to see why she posted it on her site. It makes no sense to me.


I think she really liked Mr. Jennings and wanted to reach out to her fans, esp. in this time of personal grief for her regarding her father. So, I think it was cool of her to do it.

[upontheventura]

Oh my god, I didn't even notice the "lockdown at the Waldorf Astoria" part!! That actually sounds so stupid. remember the VH1 storytellers where the guy asked if it was true that Stevie wrote her songs in the bathroom? And Stevie was this close to being offended, and responded 'In big, BEAUTIFUL bathrooms". In other words, not in that 2 by 3 ****house YOU use buddy!" She is so spoiled. lol . She doesn't even drive which i find utterly ridiculous. Okay I don't want to get mean. But the lady truly breathes rarified air and is not THAT down to earth.

[dissention]

I think she really liked Mr. Jennings and wanted to reach out to her fans, esp. in this time of personal grief for her regarding her father. So, I think it was cool of her to do it.

I realize that and I understand that. But why share the letter you wrote to him instead of just writing a nice note to put on your site? It's her posting the letter that I find odd about all of this, not the content.

[strandinthewind]

Oh my god, I didn't even notice the "lockdown at the Waldorf Astoria" part!! That actually sounds so stupid. remember the VH1 storytellers where the guy asked if it was true that Stevie wrote her songs in the bathroom? And Stevie was this close to being offended, and responded 'In big, BEAUTIFUL bathrooms". In other words, not in that 2 by 3 ****house YOU use buddy!" She is so spoiled. lol . She doesn't even drive which i find utterly ridiculous. Okay I don't want to get mean. But the lady truly breathes rarified air and is not THAT down to earth.

I just think it is hysterical that people harp on her saying where she was - she was creating a scene, etc. and it is factual. I guess people should never say they stay at the Waldorf Astoria lest people berate them for it :laugh:

[dissention]

Oh my god, I didn't even notice the "lockdown at the Waldorf Astoria" part!! That actually sounds so stupid. remember the VH1 storytellers where the guy asked if it was true that Stevie wrote her songs in the bathroom? And Stevie was this close to being offended, and responded 'In big, BEAUTIFUL bathrooms". In other words, not in that 2 by 3 ****house YOU use buddy!" She is so spoiled. lol . She doesn't even drive which i find utterly ridiculous. Okay I don't want to get mean. But the lady truly breathes rarified air and is not THAT down to earth.

Who said she was down-to-Earth? I want the meds of the schmoe who said that, because they must be tripping and it must feel goooooood.

She's got a big heart, but when they say "Rock & Roll Princess," they MEAN the word princess.

[Dreammms]

Who let Sara Rue in?

:laugh: :laugh:

[sarafield]

I guess I see that as factual - because it was. I guess maybe people think she is snobby for saying that. But, that is where she was and I think she was creating a story with personal facts :shrug: Would it have been better is she had been at the Sheraton :laugh: :rolleyes: :laugh:

I didn't say she was snobby for writing she was in lockdown at the Waldorf-Astoria... I just thought it was an unintentionally funny rock'n'roll princess moment. The line would not have been funny at all if she were in lockdown at the Sheraton. :p

[SapphireSister]

This thread has taken quite an interesting turn. Gotta love it. It's the most non-concert related action we've had here in a while. I wonder how long it will last? Too bad it was at the expense of Mr. Jennings (I mean too bad he died, not that we are having a great discussion as a result :)).

[SapphireSister]

I didn't say she was snobby for writing she was in lockdown at the Waldorf-Astoria... I just thought it was an unintentionally funny rock'n'roll princess moment. The line would not have been funny at all if she were in lockdown at the Sheraton. :p

The funny thing about the Rock and Roll Princess is that she never fails to remind us (and maybe herself) that she was a cleaning lady/waitress and within 6 months was practically a millionaire between her and Lindsey. I guess that was another lifetime for her but I love her for it!

[strandinthewind]

I didn't say she was snobby for writing she was in lockdown at the Waldorf-Astoria... I just thought it was an unintentionally funny rock'n'roll princess moment. The line would not have been funny at all if she were in lockdown at the Sheraton. :p

Touche Touche :cool: :wavey: :cool:

[sarafield]

Oh my god, I didn't even notice the "lockdown at the Waldorf Astoria" part!! That actually sounds so stupid. remember the VH1 storytellers where the guy asked if it was true that Stevie wrote her songs in the bathroom? And Stevie was this close to being offended, and responded 'In big, BEAUTIFUL bathrooms". In other words, not in that 2 by 3 ****house YOU use buddy!" She is so spoiled. lol . She doesn't even drive which i find utterly ridiculous. Okay I don't want to get mean. But the lady truly breathes rarified air and is not THAT down to earth.

Oh I'd never heard that story! Maybe, though, she was horrified that people would think of Stevie Nicks writing songs on the toilet? Perhaps she meant to convey that she wrote songs while soaking in a tub of water and rose petals with candles all about... not while doing "something else" in the bathroom. But I never saw the Storytellers, so I could be completely off base.

I don't get why it's a bad thing that she doesn't drive, though. Many many people never learn how to drive. I, for one, hate driving, and if I could, I'd pay someone to do it for me - especially if I lived in LA!

[strandinthewind]

. . . I, for one, hate driving, and if I could, I'd pay someone to do it for me - especially if I lived in LA!

NO ****E - I would SOOOOO have a car and driver if I could. I would also NEVER go to the grocery store again - EVER I say :laugh:

[SapphireSister]

Oh I'd never heard that story! Maybe, though, she was horrified that people would think of Stevie Nicks writing songs on the toilet? Perhaps she meant to convey that she wrote songs while soaking in a tub of water and rose petals with candles all about... not while doing "something else" in the bathroom.

Like lines of cocaine perhaps?

[upontheventura]

I just think it is hysterical that people harp on her saying where she was - she was creating a scene, etc. and it is factual. I guess people should never say they stay at the Waldorf Astoria lest people berate them for it :laugh:

I like nice hotels myself, but when writing to someone with cancer and then referencing September 11th, the Waldorf Astoria part really is HILARIOUS. The lock down at the Waldorf makes it THAT much more absurd. I am giggling just thinking about it. And then when she sent him "her masterpiece" Trouble In Shangrila. OH MY GOD. I can barely type I am laughing so hard. God bless her and god bless Peter wherever he is now.

[dissention]

Like lines of cocaine perhaps?

I think she was referring to the act of taking a dump, dear.

[strandinthewind]

I think she was referring to the act of taking a dump, dear.


Also known as defecating - anything to ue scat and feces in a post :wavey: :wavey:

[SapphireSister]

I think she was referring to the act of taking a dump, dear.

DUH I was trying to add some humor. I obviously failed :p.

[sarafield]

I like nice hotels myself, but when writing to someone with cancer and then referencing September 11th, the Waldorf Astoria part really is HILARIOUS. The lock down at the Waldorf makes it THAT much more absurd. I am giggling just thinking about it. And then when she sent him "her masterpiece" Trouble In Shangrila. OH MY GOD. I can barely type I am laughing so hard. God bless her and god bless Peter wherever he is now.

If Peter Jennings found the letter even half as amusing as we did, I daresay she did bring some joy into his day. :lol:

[dissention]

I like nice hotels myself, but when writing to someone with cancer and then referencing September 11th, the Waldorf Astoria part really is HILARIOUS. The lock down at the Waldorf makes it THAT much more absurd. I am giggling just thinking about it. And then when she sent him "her masterpiece" Trouble In Shangrila. OH MY GOD. I can barely type I am laughing so hard. God bless her and god bless Peter wherever he is now.

You're making me laugh my ass off. Stop it! Imagine if she had written it into a song for him.

Well, I live below...a great red mountain
In the shape of a great huge beast
In a place the indians call...Paradise Valley
Well this has always been my sanctuary
I send that to you...too
And my masterpiece on CD for free...
In this package...

[dissention]

DUH I was trying to add some humor. I obviously failed :p.

I thought you were serious! :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

I like nice hotels myself, but when writing to someone with cancer and then referencing September 11th, the Waldorf Astoria part really is HILARIOUS. The lock down at the Waldorf makes it THAT much more absurd. I am giggling just thinking about it. And then when she sent him "her masterpiece" Trouble In Shangrila. OH MY GOD. I can barely type I am laughing so hard. God bless her and god bless Peter wherever he is now.


I did not think it was humorous and I related to it and her relating a story -- But - to each their own.

[SapphireSister]

If Peter Jennings found the letter even half as amusing as we did, I daresay she did bring some joy into his day. :lol:

And I'm sure she's just dying to sing TISL at his funeral.

Edit: Dying at his funeral. Ok that's not funny.

[amber]

You're making me laugh my ass off. Stop it! Imagine if she had written it into a song for him.

Well, I live below...a great red mountain
In the shape of a great huge beast
In a place the indians call...Paradise Valley
Well this has always been my sanctuary
I send that to you...too
And my masterpiece on CD for free...
In this package...

great, all fun and games until you brought up the possibility of unspeakable horror....
:lol:

[strandinthewind]

And I'm sure she's just dying to sing TISL at his funeral.

That BITCH better not after I have been following her around since 2001 and all I get is ole two note Rhiannon :laugh: I'll be crashing that funeral :laugh: :rolleyes: :laugh:

[dissention]

And I'm sure she's just dying to sing TISL at his funeral.


:eek: :laugh:

Now that's funny!

[macfanken]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rhapsody!!!!!!!!!!! What ever happened to that lady?

And remember Josh from New Mexico? Ken here would remember him, but I think Josh disappeared years ago. He probably grew up or something.
Probably because who the hell even has an IRC client installed on his computer any more!


Rhapsody!! :D What a fun lady, I'll never forget our House of Blues show! I always wonder what happened to Josh... lost contact with him a year or two ago. It was my fault... I moved, changed my phone number, got a new email address and never told him. Always thought I'd see him here. :distress:

[SuzeQuze]

I just think it is hysterical that people harp on her saying where she was - she was creating a scene, etc. and it is factual. I guess people should never say they stay at the Waldorf Astoria lest people berate them for it :laugh:

It's just that "lock down" and "Waldorf Astoria" is an oxymoron, you see? However, to Stevie, it isn't and I got what she was saying. That day was terrifying and I wasn't even in NYC. I'm sure she did not feel like she was in a palace.

I was IMing a friend who worked in that area right after the second plane hit and he just wrote "we can see the towers burning outside the windows and everyone is crying, I have to get home now". I can only imagine how horrifying that was.

[sarafield]

And I'm sure she's just dying to sing TISL at his funeral.

All of it for us, baby...

Actually, I can totally see her wanting to sing Illume.

[michelle2677]

remember the VH1 storytellers where the guy asked if it was true that Stevie wrote her songs in the bathroom? And Stevie was this close to being offended, and responded 'In big, BEAUTIFUL bathrooms". In other words, not in that 2 by 3 ****house YOU use buddy!" .

*LMFAO* I'm not going to comment on the rest of the thread because I'm new and I'd prefer to be burned at the stake once I've been here awhile*L* ..but I just thought this was funny...hahah

[dissention]

All of it for us, baby...

Actually, I can totally see her wanting to sing Illume.

If that letter is any indication, she'll haul out with "I Sing For the Things," darling. :laugh:

[SapphireSister]

That BITCH better not after I have been following her around since 2001 and all I get is ole two note Rhiannon :laugh: I'll be crashing that funeral :laugh: :rolleyes: :laugh:

I run through the grass, I run over the stones down to the sea, show me the way back PETER.

[SuzeQuze]

NO ****E - I would SOOOOO have a car and driver if I could. I would also NEVER go to the grocery store again - EVER I say :laugh:

Hear hear. I would too, I hate traffic and have the sense of direction of Stevie after getting stoned and spinning. The grocery store is evil. Peapod just came tonite. :thumbsup:

[sarafield]

If that letter is any indication, she'll haul out with "I Sing For the Things," darling. :laugh:

:thumbsup:

At least she won't have to sing HAEWAFY...

[SapphireSister]

My boss told me a story today...his ex wife went to get glasses in the late 80's and and arrived there at the same time as this woman. Well they both were told to come back in an hour and their glasses would be ready so the boss' wife and the other lady went and had coffee and chated (it ended up being 2 hours) and she goes home that night and tells her husband "I spent the afternoon with a very interesting lady today named Stevie Nicks. Have you ever heard of her?" The thing is the lady had no clue the whole time they were together it was Stevie Nicks :lol:.

[dissention]

Stevie has huge balls to call anything "her masterpiece". This thread has me laughing my ass off. Dissention, you lovely version of Desert Angel has me in stitches. I don't know of any artists who have the chutzpah to call anything they have done a masterpiece. Stevie has confidence and I admire that.
I still wait for the day where I will be at a show and I will hear live Chimps backstage. Because~ at that moment~ I will know~
"Jane" will be heard live~

On this dreary day~
I lay under my cashmere blanket~
maids at my beck and call~
millions of dollars at my disposal~
and I wish~
to all the dirty poor people~
much love~
and I will send them ALL~
my masterpiece~
Trouble In Shangrila~
I feel~
It will save them~
from their white trashness~
I can only~
hope
~~~
~~~
~~~ :laugh:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :lol:

My masterpiece~
Trouble In Shangri-La...~
I give that you...too...
To sooth your worries...
Of your delinquent children~
Since you are no longer~~
Laying around and smoking dope- on your floor
For this music...for it...
Is in my blood~
And I give that to you...too...
Written in a luxurious bathroom-
That is unlike your average ****box--
Below that great HUGE beast- in Paradise Valley

[dissention]

:thumbsup:

At least she won't have to sing HAEWAFY...

You people have literally got me crying. :laugh:

Has anyone ever written anything for you...
I did...log onto The Nicks Fix...

[upontheventura]

You people have literally got me crying. :laugh:

Has anyone ever written anything for you...
I did...log onto The Nicks Fix...

I am soooo going to be kicked off this site, But tonight was worth it.
:blob2:

To all~
the children~
of the ledge~
I send to you~
my spirit~
although I may~
sound offensive~
nay~
downright nasty~
I truly love you all~
and Stevie~
my dear, dear tortured Stevie~
and the 5 star hotels~
the money~
the fame~
the glory~
the homes~
a life of privilege~
I pity her so~
but like two roads diverged in a yellow wood~
I took the one less traveled by~
and found myself standing in a line~
What kind of line you ask~
"You know, like a WELFARE LINE!!"
Oh the horror~
of~
it~
all~

[sarafield]

You people have literally got me crying. :laugh:

Has anyone ever written anything for you...
I did...log onto The Nicks Fix...


Has anyone ever given anything to you...
In the FedEx package
Is my little masterpiece...

And I'm in lockdown...
There is pain and there is doubt
It was easy to say...
I believed in you every day
If not for me, then...
Broadcast for the world!

[DeeGeMe]

Oh my God. I've got tears rolling down my face. And I've got a cold so everytime I laugh, I start to hack! These "songs" and "poems" of the Ledgies are so damn funny! This thread needed intentional funny!

[sarafield]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :lol:

My masterpiece~
Trouble In Shangri-La...~
I give that you...too...
To sooth your worries...
Of your delinquent children~
Since you are no longer~~
Laying around and smoking dope- on your floor
For this music...for it...
Is in my blood~
And I give that to you...too...
Written in a luxurious bathroom-
That is unlike your average ****box--
Below that great HUGE beast- in Paradise Valley



:laugh: Delinquent children! I loved that line in Destiny Rules. She had this whole "Get real, Lindsey!" thing going on.

[DashingDan]

I'll bet that Mr. Jennings, like some Time/Life edition competition, being a man who, by ALL accounts ~loved many women~ probably got a big chuckle out of Stevie's letter. He probably thought, "Wow, she introduced herself in her letter. She doesn't even remember our special night in rome in 1980...silly girl, but very nice of her to write though"

[MacMan]

Welcome aboard Dashing Dan.....

And I agree... What ever she said, who cares, she reached out and maybe if only for 45 seconds.. she took someones mind away from what they were dealing with...

[SuzeQuze]

Stevie has huge balls to call anything "her masterpiece". This thread has me laughing my ass off. Dissention, you lovely version of Desert Angel has me in stitches. I don't know of any artists who have the chutzpah to call anything they have done a masterpiece. Stevie has confidence and I admire that.
I still wait for the day where I will be at a show and I will hear live Chimps backstage. Because~ at that moment~ I will know~
"Jane" will be heard live~

On this dreary day~
I lay under my cashmere blanket~
maids at my beck and call~
millions of dollars at my disposal~
and I wish~
to all the dirty poor people~
much love~
and I will send them ALL~
my masterpiece~
Trouble In Shangrila~
I feel~
It will save them~
from their white trashness~
I can only~
hope
~~~
~~~
~~~ :laugh:

:laugh: Oh man, I just spit all over my keyboard at that one! I love, "to all the dirty poor people~" and the excessive use of the tilde~. It is the symbol for infinity in math but I don't think it means a thing in literature. Leave it to Stevie!

You are far away~
but know I am there~
Through my music~
Put TISL in your cheap boom box~
Listen to my sweet voice~
Through which Rhiannon~
And the angels will sing to you~

Okay, I have to stop cuz it's kind of mean. Stevie I love you.

[SuzeQuze]

Oh my God. I've got tears rolling down my face. And I've got a cold so everytime I laugh, I start to hack! These "songs" and "poems" of the Ledgies are so damn funny! This thread needed intentional funny!

Oh yes, God bless the levity of the Legies!

[DeeGeMe]

:laugh: Oh man, I just spit all over my keyboard at that one! I love, "to all the dirty poor people~" and the excessive use of the tilde~. It is the symbol for infinity in math but I don't think it means a thing in literature. Leave it to Stevie!



Suze--Stevie no doubt loves it because it's "pretty" and "fabulous" because you know Stevie has to be fabulous! ~~~~~~~~~ Come to think of it-it is kinda fabulous!

[SuzeQuze]

Suze--Stevie no doubt loves it because it's "pretty" and "fabulous" because you know Stevie has to be fabulous! ~~~~~~~~~ Come to think of it-it is kinda fabulous!

That's right! It is fabulous. I use it in my sig before my name and have noticed people pick it up too, I've been using it for years. It's whimsical, kind of reminds me of the wind. Hmm, am I a bit of a Stevie kindred spirit? Yes. Just not as ditsy.

[GypsyNomad]

Although I'm having fun reading these hysterical comments/ songs, which are all so friggin funny & clever ;) ..... I can't help but feel bad for our girl Stevie... all she did was share some private words with her fans, and gets bashed for being selfish & spoiled :distress: I for one know she ain't little Miss Perfect.... she is who she is, yes she has money & never has to lift a finger. She's been rich & famous for the majority of her life, so it would be pretty hard for her to be anything else I guess. That doesn't mean she doesn't have a clue about the real world & the people in it. Who knows, if people keep harping on everthing she says, she might get wise & stop sending her journal entries in the nicksfix (though I doubt it :p ) I know I would feel pretty foolish if I put my personal thoughts out there for everyone to read, and fans tore me up for whatever i had to say. Its totally fine to have fun & write crazy stuff, that's what some of these threads are all about (even I had my moments.... posting that damn Stevie panties thread a while back), but some of the comments are deliberately posted to be mean.

~Carei

[Johnny Stew]

I'm more & more convinced that it's not what I'm saying that gets people's hackles up, but something about my personality that comes through the words. If I signed the vast majority of my posts -- which are largely positive & good-natured -- with "GypsieStarshine" or "BellaBirdsOfRhiannon," my responses wouldn't get a passing thought. But when people see "David," the hairs on their neck stiffen & they go on "Stevie Alert" & I get censured for being mean or out of touch. It's a distressing phenomenon to me.Does that often happen here, David? I'm honestly asking, because I hadn't noticed it. If it does, it really surprises me. You've always, as I have said on many occasions, been one of my absolute favorite posters.

What I admire most about your writing style, is how eloquently you express yourself... especially when critiquing. You're not critical to be cruel, or to get a laugh, or to be inflammatory. And you don't resort to endlessly repeating dismissive slang typically favored by junior high school students.
Instead, you continually find new and more interesting ways of expressing your point of view.

I've debated you on some of your opinions, but hopefully that never came across as me censuring you... because I've certainly never meant it that way, and I wouldn't want to leave you with the impression that I was.

On an unrelated note, I'm not sure why anyone objected to Stevie referring to 'Trouble In Shangri-La" as her masterpiece.
She wasn't saying it was a masterpiece, but, rather, her masterpiece. Haven't we all written, painted, drawn, played something that we thought was the best thing we'd ever done?

There's nothing self-absorbed about being proud of your work.

[Johnny Stew]

OH man - I wasn't part of the old Ledge but Josh from New Mexico posted here fora bit too....and he was actually from my home town...so I knew that guy.

He's apparently in California now - and playing guitar is some band :shrug:Thanks for the semi-update on Josh.
He and I chatted a few times, and I've often wondered what happened to him.

He was a sweet guy. :)

[BTFLCHLD]

I realize that and I understand that. But why share the letter you wrote to him instead of just writing a nice note to put on your site? It's her posting the letter that I find odd about all of this, not the content. maybe she rummaged thru an old box of letters when she recalled writing one to jennings (would she keep a copy?) i did notice in her tour book that she puts her babies in the window just like some of us have...i love that she does what she feels like.

[BTFLCHLD]

That is awesome, Christy. :xoxo:

Some people may laugh, but even though I'm not a religious person at all, I've always admired Tammy Faye. I wrote to her when I was 19 and going through a really hard time because I always saw her as someone who was incredibly strong and had the ability to face anything, and she sent me a beautiful letter not long afterwards. It helped me immensely and just goes to show that there a genuine, kindhearted people in the world who do care for others. do you recall what she said in the letter?

[BTFLCHLD]

Also known as defecating - anything to ue scat and feces in a post :wavey: :wavey: yes he is very wicked indeed ;)

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

My boss told me a story today...his ex wife went to get glasses in the late 80's and and arrived there at the same time as this woman. Well they both were told to come back in an hour and their glasses would be ready so the boss' wife and the other lady went and had coffee and chated (it ended up being 2 hours) and she goes home that night and tells her husband "I spent the afternoon with a very interesting lady today named Stevie Nicks. Have you ever heard of her?" The thing is the lady had no clue the whole time they were together it was Stevie Nicks :lol:.
Wow! Cool story!

Pip

[Kelly]

Stevie made reference in the journal entry that they didnt know if her Dad would make it through his recent surgery, while she was on tour...and it was hard for her being away


And yeah Kelly, while this tour has been great and all, it surely is about money--lol. According to RS mag she was given a "large" upfront guarantee

Chris

I have such a hard time telling if your posts are snarky or not! I am just going to assume that this one was not.
I know the bottom line is about money. I was commenting on there being a few reasons OTHER than money that this tour occurred. I know everyone will start up with "its all about money" and YES, she does want and need money but THIS particular tour might have occurred for other reasons as well. She did not do that many dates and she makes alot more money with Fleetwood Mac.... perhaps she would rather have spent these last few months with her Dad and had to tour for other reasons besides making a buck. Maybe a large portion of her advance ends up being lost to expenses. Do you know for sure that it doesn't? (she obviously does not get her advance until the end of the tour) Do you know how many of the crew/tour personnel are paid for by the promotor and how many Stevie has to pay for out of pocket? You think they just hand over money for the massuese? Do you think it is possible that Stevie has to contribute if she wants travel by chartered jet? Certainly the promoters would rather she move around by bus...
Everyone can certainly think this tour is all about money if they want to though.


**I haven't read past page five of this thread yet so I apologize in advance if the discussion has turned back to Stevie's letter. I certainly do not want to start anything up again if the discussion has somehow turned positive. Somehow though, I feel there is still much heated debate going on.

Oh, BTW.. Hayley, I could not agree more with your comments about the fan community. The extremes in which people view and hear things always amazes me. I find it particularly tense between the Lindsey lovers/Stevie dislikers and the shipper's vs the non shipper's. It almost feels like if you love Stevie, you cannot like Lindsey. Or if you love Lindsey, you cannot enjoy Stevie's music. I love them both. I am probably a tad more connected to Stevie's music but honestly, I am pretty much a fan of both of them equally. (something that seems pretty rare!)

[Serrart]

I just don't understand the point in sharing it. I don't find the letter to be as bad as most others, but I simply fail to see why she posted it on her site. It makes no sense to me.

By any chance, was Jeff Goldblum your favourite character in The Big Chill? I'm asking because it seems to me there's an overdose of rationalization attempts in this thread. She wrote Peter Jennings a letter, he died, she thought it would have been a heartfelt homage to him, sharing with her fans that private letter. Can't it be as simple as that? By the way I'm sure the response she got here would encourage her to do it so more often.

Romy

[sarafield]

On an unrelated note, I'm not sure why anyone objected to Stevie referring to 'Trouble In Shangri-La" as her masterpiece.
She wasn't saying it was a masterpiece, but, rather, her masterpiece.

Actually, I think this portion of the letter was actually a bit humble and cute. She did write "being, I think, my little masterpiece." I took it as kind of like sending photos of your newborn to someone and writing "I may be biased, but I think he's the cutest baby in the world!"

[Wild Heart]

On an unrelated note, I'm not sure why anyone objected to Stevie referring to 'Trouble In Shangri-La" as her masterpiece.
She wasn't saying it was a masterpiece, but, rather, her masterpiece. Haven't we all written, painted, drawn, played something that we thought was the best thing we'd ever done?

There's nothing self-absorbed about being proud of your work.

Well said and I totally agree. In my original post I said I cringed when she wrote she sent him TISL. As I said, I feel, personally, Belle Donna was her solo masterpiece along with her earlier FM songs (and there is some great stuff here & there in between all the rest). TISL is a close second IMO. The other reason I cringed was because Peter Jennings did not strike me as the type gentlemen to be into Stevie's music style. He was, after all, a big fan of jazz music. I'm sure he listened to other things as well but I just can't see him listening to Stevie. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe every night after doing the news he went home, took off his tie and pulled out his shawl and danced around with a tamborine singing Edge of Seventeen. :shocked: In todays world, nothing would surprise me! :laugh:

As I said before, I do think Stevie is no more self absorbed than any other celebrity. They can't hardly help it. It's the lifestyle. We're the ones who put them on that pedestal. :nod: I love Stevie to death and have been a fan since the seventies. I think she's an absolute wonderful entertainer and person, self absorbed or not. I love reading the very personal journal entries she shares but I couldn't help but smile at parts of the letter and I'm not totally clear on why she chose to share this with her fans. Maybe to share her grief like so many are doing on this very board or maybe to make the point of the dangers of smoking. Who knows. Thank goodness she doesn't read this board but I think people around her do. She would probably be hurt to know she put herself out there and we all sat in judgement but that's the risk you take. I still think it was a heartfelt, kind gesture to write Mr. Jennings. I'm sure he appreciated the words of comfort and encouragement and reading what an impact he had on her during a difficult time in her life and in all our lives. I didn't even like Peter Jennings but I'm saddened by his passing. I understand how people feel about him in regards to 9/11 and I respect his legacy and feel for his family's loss.