Stevie Shares Thoughts On Peter Jennings...

[dissention]

By any chance, was Jeff Goldblum your favourite character in The Big Chill? I'm asking because it seems to me there's an overdose of rationalization attempts in this thread. She wrote Peter Jennings a letter, he died, she thought it would have been a heartfelt homage to him, sharing with her fans that private letter. Can't it be as simple as that? By the way I'm sure the response she got here would encourage her to do it so more often.

Romy

I could care less if she shared that kind of stuff more often or not; it doesn't phase me. I don't need to be shown all of the good things that she does by the woman herself. I'm not going to fall over and wet myself, slap my knee and exclaim "What a woman!" Most of us know that she's a cute little flake with a heart of gold, I don't need her to post letters or journal entries to further prove it to me. If you aren't perplexed by her sharing that letter, that's fine. But don't get down on me because I fail to see the point and don't think that she was putting up a "heartfelt homage to him." Just because I find posting that thing a little odd and tacky, it doesn't mean that I'm accusing her of not having her heart in the right place.

[strandinthewind]

I could care less if she shared that kind of stuff more often or not; it doesn't phase me. I don't need to be shown all of the good things that she does by the woman herself. I'm not going to fall over and wet myself, slap my knee and exclaim "What a woman!" Most of us know that she's a cute little flake with a heart of gold, I don't need her to post letters or journal entries to further prove it to me. If you aren't perplexed by her sharing that letter, that's fine. But don't get down on me because I fail to see the point and don't think that she was putting up a "heartfelt homage to him." Just because I find posting that thing a little odd and tacky, it doesn't mean that I'm accusing her of not having her heart in the right place.

With all due respect, you rarely see the point of anything Stevie does :shrug:

[catinthedark]

I could care less if she shared that kind of stuff more often or not; it doesn't phase me. I don't need to be shown all of the good things that she does by the woman herself. I'm not going to fall over and wet myself, slap my knee and exclaim "What a woman!" Most of us know that she's a cute little flake with a heart of gold, I don't need her to post letters or journal entries to further prove it to me. If you aren't perplexed by her sharing that letter, that's fine. But don't get down on me because I fail to see the point and don't think that she was putting up a "heartfelt homage to him." Just because I find posting that thing a little odd and tacky, it doesn't mean that I'm accusing her of not having her heart in the right place.

I have stayed out of this discussion, but now I'm jumping in. *Warning* Hahaha.

I'm just jumping in because I DO often see the point in what Stevie does. But what Diss wrote there is exactly how I reacted to the letter. I think it's wonderful that she was moved to write him the letter. I understand that she felt a connection to him because of Sept. 11th. In fact, the connection she talked of was much like the connection many of us feel about her and her music. But I felt something was lost in the fact that she wanted us to see it.

[dissention]

With all due respect, you rarely see the point of anything Stevie does :shrug:

I was born without that special wiring in my brain.

[strandinthewind]

I was born without that special wiring in my brain.

But, I love you anyway dear :xoxo: :xoxo: :angel: :wavey: :wavey:

[dissention]

But, I love you anyway dear :xoxo: :xoxo: :angel: :wavey: :wavey:

So does Stevie. In fact, she'll be posting the letter she sent me to let me know momentarily. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

So does Stevie. In fact, she'll be posting the letter she sent me to let me know momentarily. :laugh:

Dear Josh/Dissention:

You are an alien from another world - just like that WHORE Celestia that LB screwed when he couldn't have ME ME ME NORMA - ewrrr - Stevie.

If you do not stop your endless like a river and unwarranted non-angelic attacks on my crystal visions, i will get my lawyer to screw you butt good.

Finally, wanna get high and sing Rhainnon.

~~~~~~~~ Mother Earth

[markolas]

I've never really understood how/why being "self-absorbed," "self-indulgent," etc., etc., is such a horrible thing. People have accused me of that from time to time, so whenever I hear Stevie or Lindsey called "self-indulgent" on these boards, my immediate reaction is "So what?"

I think people just like to tear down celebrities. :nod:

[Wild Heart]

I've never really understood how/why being "self-absorbed," "self-indulgent," etc., etc., is such a horrible thing. People have accused me of that from time to time, so whenever I hear Stevie or Lindsey called "self-indulgent" on these boards, my immediate reaction is "So what?"

I think people just like to tear down celebrities. :nod:


I think we're all guilty of it from time to time. I know I'm self centered. It's one of the many reasons I don't have children. They require sacrifice and I like doing what I like to do, when I want to do it. That's about as self centered as it gets!

IMO celebrities are more prone to it because of their lavish lifestyles and the constant need for attention alot of them seem to crave. Yes, we as a society do love to build them up and tear them down. It's a favorite bloodsport and sells millions of tabloids and magazines.

Alot of fallen celebs set themselves up for destruction so you can't put all the blame on society.

[sparky]

IMO celebrities are more prone to it because of their lavish lifestyles and the constant need for attention alot of them seem to crave.

I don't know that it is wealth that creates this mindset. In order to be a performer or a writer (or anyone who puts their personal work on display) a person must have a tremendous amount of self confidence. Or an absolute lack of opinion about what people think of their work. A lot of times this manifests itself in cockiness or egotism. And there is a puzzling flipside of insecurity that counters the bravado required to put one's self out there like that. It is easy to deconstruct the psychology of this...God knows among the performers I know and have known there is often a tremendous emotional neediness and lack of self worth that propels the need for approval from vast numbers of people. (I don't know how people can be constantly on the hunt for acting work - dealing with rejection constantly and always on the edge of being out of work and desperate. But people do it.)

As far as being self absored...if you ARE your product, and your persona is part of what makes you your living, you better be preoccupied with yourself a bit. Someone has to mind the store. Unfortunately, it is easy for people to go overboard with that and I think part the reason is the personality type that is most common in performers. You have to be driven as hell to succeed in show business, and that hunger usually comes from a need for something you lack. Takes a large engine to feed that constant machine. The "self indulgent" stuff just comes with the territory.

Let us not forget that fans have treated and still treat Stevie in particular as if she is some kind of otherwordly creature who is far removed and above them in some way.

[Livia]

I think we're all guilty of it from time to time. I know I'm self centered. It's one of the many reasons I don't have children. They require sacrifice and I like doing what I like to do, when I want to do it. That's about as self centered as it gets!

Add me to that list! No kids, no husband, by choice! :thumbsup:

[Wild Heart]

I don't know that it is wealth that creates this mindset. In order to be a performer or a writer (or anyone who puts their personal work on display) a person must have a tremendous amount of self confidence. Or an absolute lack of opinion about what people think of their work. A lot of times this manifests itself in cockiness or egotism. And there is a puzzling flipside of insecurity that counters the bravado required to put one's self out there like that. It is easy to deconstruct the psychology of this...God knows among the performers I know and have known there is often a tremendous emotional neediness and lack of self worth that propels the need for approval from vast numbers of people. (I don't know how people can be constantly on the hunt for acting work - dealing with rejection constantly and always on the edge of being out of work and desperate. But people do it.)

As far as being self absored...if you ARE your product, and your persona is part of what makes you your living, you better be preoccupied with yourself a bit. Someone has to mind the store. Unfortunately, it is easy for people to go overboard with that and I think part the reason is the personality type that is most common in performers. You have to be driven as hell to succeed in show business, and that hunger usually comes from a need for something you lack. Takes a large engine to feed that constant machine. The "self indulgent" stuff just comes with the territory.

Let us not forget that fans have treated and still treat Stevie in particular as if she is some kind of otherwordly creature who is far removed and above them in some way.

I completely agree with you and I don't think it is just the wealth. It is the lifestyle as a whole and I guess I'm thinking more of what we call the A-list. Maybe even some B's. It's not just the money but the money does open the door to alot of things. They have just about anything and everything at their fingertips, they spend insane amounts of money of clothes, jewelry, cars, real estate, entertaining, etc. They are surround by people who pamper them and do everything for them and tell them how wonderful they are constantly. It is a self indulgent lifestyle. So many get swallowed up by it. Some don't. I think more do (to some degree) than don't. As I said before, it would take a very strong, well grounded person not to fall prey to it.

If I come across bitter and critical I don't mean to sound that way. I'm just trying to point out that if Stevie seems self absorbed, you have to remember that she and other celebrities live in a completely different world from us normal folk and it's one that promotes self indulgence. Actually our whole world promotes self indulgence but not on the same scale and that's a another discussion for different time and place. I don't think this is anything we didn't already know.

[Wild Heart]

Add me to that list! No kids, no husband, by choice! :thumbsup:


I do have a husband but he's self centered too so we're a perfect match!

[strandinthewind]

Add me to that list! No kids, no husband, by choice! :thumbsup:

WHAT - you mean you do not remember that 24 hour Vegas Wedding Chapel with Jessica as a bridesmaid?

My Lord woman - we got free tickets to the Sirloin buffet where you bumped your head on the sneeze shield :eek:

:wavey:

[Johnny Stew]

The other reason I cringed was because Peter Jennings did not strike me as the type gentlemen to be into Stevie's music style. He was, after all, a big fan of jazz music. I'm sure he listened to other things as well but I just can't see him listening to Stevie. Who knows, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe every night after doing the news he went home, took off his tie and pulled out his shawl and danced around with a tamborine singing Edge of Seventeen. :shocked: In todays world, nothing would surprise me! :laugh:Didn't we hear that Peter Jennings wanted to block Lindsey from singing "Here Comes The Sun" on that Millennium telecast? Maybe he is an Evil Chiffonhead after all! ;) :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

Didn't we hear that Peter Jennings wanted to block Lindsey from singing "Here Comes The Sun" on that Millennium telecast? Maybe he is an Evil Chiffonhead after all! ;) :laugh:

Ooh. I forgot about that. :lol:

[strandinthewind]

Didn't we hear that Peter Jennings wanted to block Lindsey from singing "Here Comes The Sun" on that Millennium telecast? Maybe he is an Evil Chiffonhead after all! ;) :laugh:

One more reason to like him :nod: Oy - what was he thinking - I mean arrange it all you want, but at least sing on key :eek:

[Serrart]

I could care less if she shared that kind of stuff more often or not; it doesn't phase me. I don't need to be shown all of the good things that she does by the woman herself. I'm not going to fall over and wet myself, slap my knee and exclaim "What a woman!" Most of us know that she's a cute little flake with a heart of gold, I don't need her to post letters or journal entries to further prove it to me. If you aren't perplexed by her sharing that letter, that's fine. But don't get down on me because I fail to see the point and don't think that she was putting up a "heartfelt homage to him." Just because I find posting that thing a little odd and tacky, it doesn't mean that I'm accusing her of not having her heart in the right place.

I didn't get down on you (it wasn't the intention, really) because you fail to see it's a heartfelt homage to Peter Jennings, or that she has no heart. But some of the reactions here are totally uncomprehensible to me. The fact is that she shared something private and her fans bash her for that. When she doesn't do it, fans bash her for that too. She goes on Tour With Don Henley and got previsions of a terrible failure (extremely accurate, right?). She says to be reluctant to put out another album and receive lessons of music ethics. It's just that sometimes this forum seems the crazed version of a strict school for one rockstar.

Romy

[upontheventura]

I didn't get down on you (it wasn't the intention, really) because you fail to see it's a heartfelt homage to Peter Jennings, or that she has no heart. But some of the reactions here are totally uncomprehensible to me. The fact is that she shared something private and her fans bash her for that. When she doesn't do it, fans bash her for that too. She goes on Tour With Don Henley and got previsions of a terrible failure (extremely accurate, right?). She says to be reluctant to put out another album and receive lessons of music ethics. It's just that sometimes this forum seems the crazed version of a strict school for one rockstar.

Romy

This thread is STILL going! I woke up laughing about Stevie's letter and this thread this morning and wrote another post and deleted it because i think it did get a little mean. But I know how i feel about it and feel even more so after reading her letter again. I am again starting to get giggly just thinking about it so I am going to stop here. We all love Stevie, no matter what.

[paleshadow]

I could care less if she shared that kind of stuff more often or not; it doesn't phase me. I don't need to be shown all of the good things that she does by the woman herself. I'm not going to fall over and wet myself, slap my knee and exclaim "What a woman!" Most of us know that she's a cute little flake with a heart of gold, I don't need her to post letters or journal entries to further prove it to me. If you aren't perplexed by her sharing that letter, that's fine. But don't get down on me because I fail to see the point and don't think that she was putting up a "heartfelt homage to him." Just because I find posting that thing a little odd and tacky, it doesn't mean that I'm accusing her of not having her heart in the right place.

Not that you need anyone on your side, but I can't help but say again that I completly agree with you. I would think the same thing if anyone had done this and not just Stevie. I think if you want to reach out to someone that's great, but most people who do that kind of thing usually don't make a point of basically advertising their good deed. I also think it's nice for Stevie to share her feelings with us, but I think she could have just paraphrased what she wrote to him, and basically shared with us how he helped her get through her 9/11 experience.

As far as the letter itself goes, again, I just think the thought was really there, and nice, but I wonder if you really want to remind someone that they are going to be on an IV, or that they are going to lose their hair from the treatments, but they will still be handsome in their versace head scarf? If I had cancer I wouldn't want to be reminded of the bad stuff that's about to happen, and if I were to send things to someone in a similar situation I think I would make an effort to find out things about that person; their favorite author, musician, sports team, fragrance or even food and I would send them those type of things.

I think that if George Bush wrote that same exact letter (without the TISL references) the posts would be completely different. I doubt there would be one person who would say "Awww, how nice is he!", so why think differently because it's someone we have admiration for?

[Serrart]

I think that if George Bush wrote that same exact letter (without the TISL references) the posts would be completely different. I doubt there would be one person who would say "Awww, how nice is he!", so why think differently because it's someone we have admiration for?

Don't you think there's a difference between a private letter and an open letter?
If George Bush made public a private letter, after the initial surprise for the fact he can write (ahem... :sorry: ), I'd think he'd made a nice gesture too.

Romy

[DeeGeMe]

Didn't we hear that Peter Jennings wanted to block Lindsey from singing "Here Comes The Sun" on that Millennium telecast? Maybe he is an Evil Chiffonhead after all! ;) :laugh:

Peter was right. I still have nightmares about that "performance." Honestly--I was in another room and heard what sounded like someone being tortured. I walked in to the room where the tv was and saw Lindsey committing an act of great savegry upon "Here Comes the Sun." :laugh:

Peter probably got Stevie's letter, flashbacked to Lindsey's "performance" that night and figured--"No wonder she's so flaky--she's had to listen to "that" for 30 years!" :laugh:

[paleshadow]

Don't you think there's a difference between a private letter and an open letter?
If George Bush made public a private letter, after the initial surprise for the fact he can write (ahem... :sorry: ), I'd think he'd made a nice gesture too.

Romy

Sure there is a difference, an open letter is written with the intent that it will be shared with a large audience. I'm not sure what you are suggesting though? Do you think she inteded the letter to be an open letter when she wrote it? If you say that you would still have warm fuzzies if George Bush wrote it, I'll take your word for it, but I think that most people would be more willing to be critical of him for the same letter than they would be for Stevie. I also think that it's human nature to be more accepting of people we are fond of when they falter, but I think we should be aware, even if just a little, of when we do it.

This post is in no way a plug for GW either, but I wanted to pick someone who was generally unpopular around here.

[SteveMacD]

We were in classic ‘lock-down’ – at the Waldorf=Astoria,
Oh the horror of being in a classic 'lock-down' at one of the nicest hotels in New York City. :rolleyes:

[strandinthewind]

Oh the horror of being in a classic 'lock-down' at one of the nicest hotels in New York City. :rolleyes:

Yep, I am sure it lessened the absolute horror of the smell of burnt bodies - get real, that would have been a horror anywhere - it always amazes me how people just HATE the fact that she stays at The Waldorf as if that somehow makes her less of a person or less aware that thousands were burnt or crushed to death less than a mile from her - I guess she just ordered room service and because it was The Waldorf room service, she somehow was saved the pain - whatever :rolleyes:

[Serrart]

Sure there is a difference, an open letter is written with the intent that it will be shared with a large audience. I'm not sure what you are suggesting though? Do you think she inteded the letter to be an open letter when she wrote it?

No, sorry for not being clear. I meant the opposite. She didn't write it to be published so she felt free to be more personal, as it usually happens in private letters. But some of the reactions seemed to me totally oblivious to this fact. I simply think different kind of writings deserve different kind of judgements. And I would simply apply this also to a George Bush's letter written privately and then made public. Even If I can surely exclude i'd have the warm fuzzies reading something he wrote...:shocked: I need a good film now to cancel this image.

Romy

[Serrart]

I was spared, as I listen to it on repeat just now I'm not sensing impending nightmares. I guess it's all in the ear of the beholding, I think it was beautiful and prefer this version.

I can't say I prefer it, but I like it, it's intense.

So that's who this guy is. I'm not sure if I understand entirely though, was he a newscaster? I'm going to make the assumption based on all of this that newscasters are something of celebrities.

I knew him mostly for his appearances at Larry King Live on Cnn. He looked to me a bright journalist very honest in his profession.

Romy

[strandinthewind]

Actually it probably was horrific, unless devastation distinguishes plush hotel patrons.

apparently in the eyes of most people on this thread.

By the way - we are agreeing again.

In addition, the suite she had there, or at least the one she described, is close to the top of The Towers and has a view of the crash site - so it is likely she saw people hurling themselves out of windows to escape being burned to death.

[Jessica Leigh]

WHAT - you mean you do not remember that 24 hour Vegas Wedding Chapel with Jessica as a bridesmaid?

My Lord woman - we got free tickets to the Sirloin buffet where you bumped your head on the sneeze shield :eek:

:wavey:

ahhh **** i KNEW there were a coupla missing hours from my memory that night. wait wait wait- i went to a 24 hour vegas wedding chapel and *I* didn't get hitched? Hey Livia wasn't i talking about wanting a random vegas marriage that i could annul the next day? dammit.

[MacMan]

apparently in the eyes of most people on this thread.

By the way - we are agreeing again.

In addition, the suite she had there, or at least the one she described, is close to the top of The Towers and has a view of the crash site - so it is likely she saw people hurling themselves out of windows to escape being burned to death.


Read the letter again.....

" I went to sleep at 7:30am, and was awakened at 11am. The towers had fallen,"

She slept through it :)

[dissention]

I knew him mostly for his appearances at Larry King Live on Cnn. He looked to me a bright journalist very honest in his profession.

Romy

He was my favorite out of the three network anchors. He had a very soothing voice and made his job seem effortless, whereas Tom Brokaw sounded half-cocked on moonshine and seemed unable to find his ass with both hands (not to mention his dumbing-down of the news). I always got a kick out of people screaming about Jennings when it came to his views on the Palestinians. That always made for good laughs.

[strandinthewind]

Read the letter again.....

" I went to sleep at 7:30am, and was awakened at 11am. The towers had fallen,"

She slept through it :)

then she just smelled it and watched it smolder.

[ontheEdgeof17]

then she just smelled it and watched it smolder.


How anyone in the remote area could sleep through that is beyond me. :rolleyes:

[SapphireSister]

She had me at:


Dear Peter Jennings~My name is Stevie Nicks.

[strandinthewind]

To demonstrate her anguish - here are her journal entries from that day and the next few days she was in that hotel (kudos to www.nicksfix.com) -- but I am sure people will poke for at her for these too :rolleyes:

Dearest Everyone-
This is my journal entry beginning September 11, 2001. I wanted to share it with you, because I was in New York; because it was the heaviest thing I have ever experienced ~


Love,
Stevie Nicks


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sept. 11, 2001
11:30 a.m.
We got into New York via private jet at 2 o’clock this morning, coming into New York from Toronto, Canada. I have been listening to Shawn Colvin’s song, Another Plane Went Down, from her new album, A Whole New You, all the way here while trying to compose a letter to Gladys Knight about Aaliyah, her niece; about my dream. Airports, planes everywhere, music, music, tears in my eyes, Sulamith (my yorkie) was upset all the way from Canada, psychic, dreamlike, flying, flying, flying.

And now, it has happened. Two planes dove into the World Trade Center Towers ~
4 hijackings in 3 hours. The Trade Center is gone, thousands of people are dead. The Pentagon was attacked kamikaze style, and one plane they are pretty sure, was on its way to the White House.

Everyone is pretty sure it was Osama Bin Laden, the evil high tech murderer hiding in Afghanistan…

People are walking across the Brooklyn Bridge trying to get home. I am here at the world famous Waldorf=Astoria, the hotel where the presidents stay ~

I will write as the day unfolds~

I am pretty sure Radio City will cancel; I think their offices were in the Towers…I am so sad for them…

Aircraft warships are on their way to us here in New York and to Washington… I don’t really know what we are going to do now – the airports are completely shut down-


My heart is broken.
8:42 a.m. First Tower
9:04 a.m. 2nd Tower
9:40 a.m. Pentagon
9:59 a.m. South Tower falls
10:28 a.m. North Tower falls
(people jump)
11:29 a.m. United flt 99 crashes in rural Pennsylvania
5:20 p.m. #7 Tower collapses



Sept. 12, 2001
4:42 a.m. in the morning

We are a devastated city
I feel I am a part of this city.
We are a strong, brilliant city
We are watching a piece of history
We are living through a tragedy
Like no one – has ever seen…

The fire chief of New York is dead
His assistant fire chief is dead.
One of my champions from Warner Brothers wife is gone. She was coming home from Boston after settling their twin daughters at a University. Their grandmother was with their Mom.

M.H. called from Toronto. He is there with the Backstreet Boys. One of their carpenters went home because his wife was having a baby. He was on one of those planes.

We are a grieving city
A surreal city ~
It is 5:09 a.m. in the morning
We are still a dark city –
But soon it will be dawn – and the dreamlike reality of yesterday will turn into the true reality of what has really happened.

I have seen grown men cry today. They seem to be having the most trouble with this. They are the protectors –
And they feel so helpless ~
They can’t stand it.

It seems that, as Don Henley so brilliantly said ~
“This is the end- of the innocence.”

5:15 a.m.

I sit here at 5:15 in the morning – in shock. The tears just don’t stop. As a writer, I am driven to write what it has been like to be 20 minutes away from the Twin Towers ~

To be here at the world famous, Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, home of foreign diplomats and gathering place of politicians, in a suite where I am quite sure Heads of State have met, and discussed the problems of the world. The living room is all dark wood, ceiling to floor, and you can just imagine John Kennedy sitting at the desk. It is stunning. This hotel is where the presidents have always stayed, and this grand old hotel is in full lockdown. All but two entrances are closed, the driveway through the hotel – shut, all the cars - moved out.

I feel strangely safe here in New York now – and the city still looks awesome from my windows, still sparkly, still beautiful, almost like – from this room-


Nothing ever happened-
Almost…
The television news people are extraordinary – all of them. They are tired; you can see it in their changing faces, as the day has gone by. Of course, I feel like I know them all, like they are really dear friends, choking up and recovering, just like me, hour after hour…
You can’t go through something like this with a city. You become attached. You become “war buddies.”
It is just so deep.
It is 6:10.
It is sunrise

6:38 a.m.

It was a beautiful sunrise. It has turned the white curtains pink, the room pink- I swear.
The sun is one half inch over the city horizon, the sky is peacock blue, sky blue but the city is still glowing pink. If I had been sleeping since Monday and I looked out this window, I would think, “It just looks like a beautiful New York fall day, my favorite thing, let’s shop! It looks just like it did Tuesday morning when I went to bed, just before this all happened.
The view is so beautiful that looking up at it, almost makes you start to feel good, and forget, and then, honestly you feel guilty, and then you feel worse and sick to your stomach. If they can’t sleep, then I’m not going to sleep either… So today is both beautiful and frightening, looking out from 36 floors up, can I tell you how unimaginable it would be if I looked up and saw a big jet flying towards me, in this country?

Not possible.
My question – “How could this happen?”
I am overwhelmed with how extraordinary the firemen and the policemen are. They just don’t give up. They “don’t stop.” They are awesome…and so is Mayor Guiliani. I would ALWAYS want them on my team. They are my heroes.

Well, I think I have to sleep now. In an interview from the street, a man says in tears , “You do not want to see the things I’ve seen today…I am traumatized.” “I am traumatized for life…”


That is the truth…
We are all traumatized.
“I’m tired.
I’m thirsty –
I’m wild eyed
In my misery.”

God Bless everyone that lost someone ~
And all of those ~ that are gone…
I am so sorry ~

Stevie Nicks
7:06 in the morning

P.S.
The room is still glowing pink –
I swear…

Last Thought…September 14, 2001

Please everyone, do not blame people for this just because they are Muslim – or come from some other ethnic group. If you do, you let Osama Bin Laden win – as surely as if you helped him put those planes through those towers. You - become him. He wins.
Consider this carefully…


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
September 13, 2001
Thursday Night – Late
5:29 a.m.
Atlantic City, NJ
I just spent the last several hours copying my last journal pages for my website. I have never done this before; I guess it’s time…I decided this morning that we should go to Atlantic City now. My lungs were starting to feel some burning from the fiery air ~ and if I wanted to sing Saturday night, staying one more night might put that in jeopardy. So we packed up in an hour and a half and left New York. Since then, they have shut down the New York airports again. Also, they have found 2 more sets of terrorists. They think there were going to be two more planes taken down. They have the people in custody. They have picture identified 18 terrorists so far. Obviously the highest form of detective work is going on as we speak. My friend Liza Jane was right; this is just the beginning. This is World War 3.
Chilling…

It just seems to get worse every day. Oh, by the way, we are right on the ocean and it’s raining~
The sky is crying~
Stevie Nicks

[strandinthewind]

She had me at:


Interestingly, she did assume he knew her - that does not sound self-absorbed to me :shrug:

[dissention]

I went back and read it, though I missed this part:


Everyone is pretty sure it was Osama Bin Laden, the evil high tech murderer hiding in Afghanistan…


I'm convinced she added that part for a little levity. :laugh:

I'm getting kind of spooked by reading those again, they bring back a lot of sad memories from that whole week. Trying to get in touch with friends in NYC, being scared ****less that there were terrorists in our city, trying to comprehend the grief people felt, etc.

[glitter_fades]

Stevie's fans don't understand her at all.
Nobody's reading between the lines.

:sorry:

[SapphireSister]

Someone please tell me she doesn't actually hand write these ~ and that they are just little indentations put on by the nicksfix when they are transcribed.

If she does indeed hand write ~ I'm going to write my next letter to her:

Dear Stevie Nicks~
My name is Lindsay (insert last name). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And~
If you smoke~
Please stop.

[dissention]

Stevie's fans don't understand her at all.
Nobody's reading between the lines.

:sorry:

Like I said, I was born without that special wiring in my brain. Enlighten me, love. :xoxo:

[dissention]

Someone please tell me she doesn't actually hand write these ~ and that they are just little indententations put on by the nicksfix when they are transcribed.

If she does indeed hand write ~ I'm going to write my next letter to her:

Dear Stevie Nicks~
My name is Lindsay (insert last name). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And~
If you smoke~
Please stop.

I think I just died. :lol:

And how spooky is the time of my last post? Oy.

[strandinthewind]

I went back and read it, though I missed this part:



I'm convinced she added that part for a little levity. :laugh:

I'm getting kind of spooked by reading those again, they bring back a lot of sad memories from that whole week. Trying to get in touch with friends in NYC, being scared ****less that there were terrorists in our city, trying to comprehend the grief people felt, etc.

I know, I can just see her saying that with come hand gesture.

That few hours was a horrid time in my life - I was totally alone - no dogs, no nothing. I just sat there in the house that used to be mine and watched the t.v.

[strandinthewind]

I think I just died. :lol:

And how spooky is the time of my last post? Oy.

I know - I saw that :eek:

BTW - I do not mind the tildes (sp.?)

[upontheventura]

Oh man i cannot stop laughing. I am not even going to touch the "writing a letter to Gladys Knight about Ailayah and the flying dream". September 11th is the most emotionally devastating day in the history of America, and I am not going to make light of it by making more fun of Stevie's writings. I am gonna stop reading this threas immediately.

[SapphireSister]

Stevie's fans don't understand her at all.
Nobody's reading between the lines.

:sorry:

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that comment. :laugh: :(

[upontheventura]

Dissention- You make me laugh so hard. I think you are absolutely brilliant. Just beyond FABULOUS. Like my bathroom which is just huge and FABULOUS.

[strandinthewind]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that comment. :laugh: :(


That is just glitter being cryptic - I mean if she wanted to, she'd explain it, but she won't and instead will attack people for relying on quotes because she was there and knows more :wavey: :p

[SapphireSister]

Oh man i cannot stop laughing. I am not even going to touch the "writing a letter to Gladys Knight about Ailayah and the flying dream". September 11th is the most emotionally devastating day in the history of America, and I am not going to make light of it by making more fun of Stevie's writings. I am gonna stop reading this threas immediately.


Hello! Where's my LA boot? :wavey:

Oh and please continue to make fun Stevie's writings. I need to be entertained. I'm bored at work.

[strandinthewind]

Oh man i cannot stop laughing. I am not even going to touch the "writing a letter to Gladys Knight about Ailayah and the flying dream". September 11th is the most emotionally devastating day in the history of America, and I am not going to make light of it by making more fun of Stevie's writings. I am gonna stop reading this threas immediately.

Better yet, why don't you post your feelings of that day and we can rip them to shreads and tell you what a supercilious person you are if you dare to mention anything that you were doing at that time that does not meet with approval :rolleyes:

[SteveMacD]

apparently in the eyes of most people on this thread.

By the way - we are agreeing again.

In addition, the suite she had there, or at least the one she described, is close to the top of The Towers and has a view of the crash site - so it is likely she saw people hurling themselves out of windows to escape being burned to death.
Will you two get real. If you actually READ the letter, she says that by the time she woke up, both towers were already down.

[Serrart]

Better yet, why don't you post your feelings of that day and we can rip them to shreads and tell you what a supercilious person you are if you dare to mention anything that you were doing at that time that does not meet with approval :rolleyes:

He can't do it, he's busy laughing, you know.

Romy

[strandinthewind]

Will you to get real. If you actually READ the letter, she says that by the time she woke up, both towers were already down.

Well, her journals indicated she may have witnessed it. But, even if we take her for her word, she could have seen Tower Seven fall or did you not know that :shrug:

and she still witnessed the flames and the smell, which by all accounts was staggeringly awful - but I suppose those do not matter - just that she had room service in the Towers - that made it all better :rolleyes:

[upontheventura]

Better yet, why don't you post your feelings of that day and we can rip them to shreads and tell you what a supercilious person you are if you dare to mention anything that you were doing at that time that does not meet with approval :rolleyes:

Strand, please chill. I do admire how you defend Stevie's every word, especiall in this thread that has gotten quite negative. But this is a free country where we can voice our opinions, and my opinion is that the absurdity of what I have read makes me laugh out loud. People jumped out of 100th floor windows to their deaths and I need to know that Stevie had a dream about Ayliah and is writing to Gladys Knight? Truly ABSURD.

[strandinthewind]

Strand, please chill. I do admire how you defend Stevie's every word, especiall in this thread that has gotten quite negative. But this is a free country where we can voice our opinions, and my opinion is that the absurdity of what I have read makes me laugh out loud. People jumped out of 100th floor windows to their deaths and I need to know that Stevie had a dream about Ayliah and is writing to Gladys Knight? Truly ABSURD.

I thought your weren't reading anymore :wavey:

BTW - did you learn that I "defend Stevie's every word" in all 58 of your posts - because if you had read any of mine other than in this thread and even in this thread you would see that is not the case.

[amber]

Strand, please chill. I do admire how you defend Stevie's every word, especiall in this thread that has gotten quite negative. But this is a free country where we can voice our opinions, and my opinion is that the absurdity of what I have read makes me laugh out loud. People jumped out of 100th floor windows to their deaths and I need to know that Stevie had a dream about Ayliah and is writing to Gladys Knight? Truly ABSURD.
It seems kind of absurd, but thinking about it, I don't know that my PRIVATE JOURNAL ENTRIES would be any less absurd. :shrug:

[upontheventura]

He can't do it, he's busy laughing, you know.

Romy

I am laughing at how anyone could not see the utterly campy humor in all of this. Sorry that i don't hold celebrities up to some godlike icon status. They make fools of themselves, and I laugh.

[amber]

I am laughing at how anyone could not see the utterly campy humor in all of this. Sorry that i don't hold celebrities up to some godlike icon status. They make fools of themselves, and I laugh.
It seems campy, but again, I'm not sure any of our journals would be less silly.

[strandinthewind]

It seems campy, but again, I'm not sure any of our journals would be less silly.

Forget it - this person just seemingly wants to antagonize now.

BTW - I ageree with you. That day at about 3:00 p.m. - I went to Lowes and bought pots to put plants in - mind you I have no plants. I remember doing that because I was terrified to watch the tv anymore and I could not cry anymore. So, I just walked around Lowes with this vacant stare on my face. To many, that would seem odd, but it worked for me :shrug: Good thing I did not post that in any online journal lest I be insulted for doing anything to get through that day :rolleyes:

[SteveMacD]

Well, her journals indicated she may have witnessed it. But, even if we take her for her word, she could have seen Tower Seven fall or did you not know that :shrug:

and she still witnessed the flames and the smell, which by all accounts was staggeringly awful - but I suppose those do not matter - just that she had room service in the Towers - that made it all better :rolleyes:
You know what? It was an awful day no matter where you were. I was in Dayton. I still had to do my job, which was difficult, as I had to go to court as a witness, and there was no parking within five blocks of the courthouse. MOST of us still had to do our day jobs while trying to figure out what in the hell was going on. So, why should I feel bad for Stevie because she was in the best hotel in New York? Just because she was in New York at the time? That makes no sense. I feel MUCH worse for the people who died, their survivors, and the survivors of the attacks than somebody who was safe in a hotel, one of the plushest hotels in the world at that. That's insulting, especially to people who lay their butts on the line every day. Call me crazy.

[strandinthewind]

You know what? It was an awful day no matter where you were. I was in Dayton. I still had to my job, which was difficult, as I had to go to court as a witness, and there was no parking within five blocks of the courthouse. MOST of us still had to do our day jobs while trying to figure out what in the hell was going on. So, why should I feel bad for Stevie because she was in the best hotel in New York? Just because she was in New York at the time? That makes no sense. I feel MUCH worse for the people who died, their survivors, and the survivors of the attacks than somebody who was safe in a hotel, one of the plushest hotels in the world at that. That's insulting, especially to people who lay their butts on the line every day. Call me crazy.

That is interesting, because they closed all the Federal Courts - I know because I work next to one.

Also, I am not saying La Nicks deserves any special sympathy just because she was in NYC at the time, though it seemingly would be harder to see that from your window and actually smell it - but clearly it was hard on everyone no matter where they were be it the Courthouse, the Waldorf Astoria, the beach, etc., which is my only point, which I think you are confusing.

I mean what does being at "one of the plushest hotels in the world" have to do with anything is my point, esp. when you just said "It was an awful day no matter where you were" :shrug:

[Serrart]

I am laughing at how anyone could not see the utterly campy humor in all of this. Sorry that i don't hold celebrities up to some godlike icon status. They make fools of themselves, and I laugh.

It's wonderful you can have such a bright happy day.

Romy

[upontheventura]

You know what? It was an awful day no matter where you were. I was in Dayton. I still had to do my job, which was difficult, as I had to go to court as a witness, and there was no parking within five blocks of the courthouse. MOST of us still had to do our day jobs while trying to figure out what in the hell was going on. So, why should I feel bad for Stevie because she was in the best hotel in New York? Just because she was in New York at the time? That makes no sense. I feel MUCH worse for the people who died, their survivors, and the survivors of the attacks than somebody who was safe in a hotel, one of the plushest hotels in the world at that. That's insulting, especially to people who lay their butts on the line every day. Call me crazy.

No your not crazy. Thats where the absurdity is in all of this. And no Strand, Ms. 18,000,899 posts, Its not to antagonize you. We just happen to disagree. And that's cool.

[dissention]

You know what? It was an awful day no matter where you were. I was in Dayton. I still had to my job, which was difficult, as I had to go to court as a witness, and there was no parking within five blocks of the courthouse. MOST of us still had to do our day jobs while trying to figure out what in the hell was going on. So, why should I feel bad for Stevie because she was in the best hotel in New York? Just because she was in New York at the time? That makes no sense. I feel MUCH worse for the people who died, their survivors, and the survivors of the attacks than somebody who was safe in a hotel, one of the plushest hotels in the world at that. That's insulting, especially to people who lay their butts on the line every day. Call me crazy.

It was a bit different in places like Washington D.C., Boston, and New York, the city where the most devastating attack happened. People were absolutely scared ****less and felt that anything could happen at any time. What happened was unthinkable to most and I highly doubt that any of the people staying at the Waldorf Astoria in New York City felt "safe" that day simply because they were in a "plush" hotel.

[amber]

Forget it - this person just seemingly wants to antagonize now.

BTW - I ageree with you. That day at about 3:00 p.m. - I went to Lowes and bought pots to put plants in - mind you I have no plants. I remember doing that because I was terrified to watch the tv anymore and I could not cry anymore. So, I just walked around Lowes with this vacant stare on my face. To many, that would seem odd, but it worked for me :shrug: Good thing I did not post that in any online journal lest I be insulted for doing anything to get through that day :rolleyes:
:)
yeah. I'm just thinking, what if I wrote down my random thoughts, and my dreams, and what they meant to me? It would be totally lame. (I don't keep a journal, anyway, but). So, while I, too appreciate when something sounds silly and you giggle at it, and I do giggle at Stevie, I can't really go over the top like that, making fun of her, because I know my stuff would be stupid, and I would get embarrassed or get my feelings hurt if people made fun of it THAT MUCH. Especially if I'd decided to share my private thoughts with them. I dunno....and YOU KNOW i like to make fun of stuff!!! :laugh:

[upontheventura]

It's wonderful you can have such a bright happy day.

Romy

Sorry that your offended. Let's agree to disagree on this issue.
:D

[strandinthewind]

:)
yeah. I'm just thinking, what if I wrote down my random thoughts, and my dreams, and what they meant to me? It would be totally lame. (I don't keep a journal, anyway, but). So, while I, too appreciate when something sounds silly and you giggle at it, and I do giggle at Stevie, I can't really go over the top like that, making fun of her, because I know my stuff would be stupid, and I would get embarrassed or get my feelings hurt if people made fun of it THAT MUCH. Especially if I'd decided to share my private thoughts with them. I dunno....and YOU KNOW i like to make fun of stuff!!! :laugh:


Oh I make fun of her, myself, and others too - but I think this is different was just pointing out that being in The Waldorf Astoria did not lessen any of the terrifying numbness most felt that day, which is what was implied. I mean that is sort of insulting.

I watched it in my plush former residence on my new plasma HDTV as opposed to much less expensive a reg. t.v. - does that mean I suffered less :shrug:

[dissention]

Also, I am not saying La Nicks deserves any special sympathy just because she was in NYC at the time

Why not? Everyone in New York that day deserves special sympathy. Can you fathom actually being there and having to face the reality of what happened firsthand? To say that they don't deserve special sympathy is offensive to me (I'm not saying you necessarily feel this way, mind you). If it was hard for people to watch what was going down on their television screens, imagine what it was like being there. Give me a ****ing break.

[strandinthewind]

Why not? Everyone in New York that day deserves special sympathy. Can you fathom actually being there and having to face the reality of what happened firsthand? To say that they don't deserve special sympathy is offensive to me (I'm not saying you necessarily feel this way, mind you). If it was hard for people to watch what was going down on their television screens, imagine what it was like being there. Give me a ****ing break.

I think it was perhaps harder - I do not know - you make a good point.

Put it this way, I was there like a month later and the smell was OVERWHELMING - I cried the whole time and BTW - I stayed at The Waldorf, which lessened no pain I can assure you :eek:

[Serrart]

Sorry that your offended. Let's agree to disagree on this issue.
:D

I'm not offended, it's just a matter of perspective on what to laugh about, end of story for me.

Romy

[SteveMacD]

It was a bit different in places like Washington D.C., Boston, and New York, the city where the most devastating attack happened. People were absolutely scared ****less and felt that anything could happen at any time. What happened was unthinkable to most and I highly doubt that any of the people staying at the Waldorf Astoria in New York City felt "safe" that day simply because they were in a "plush" hotel.
We didn't feel safe in Dayton, either. There was some type of sonic boom that afternoon that could be heard all around the county. Since there is a nuclear facility of some sort (not a power plant) and THE largest Air Force base in the USA, yeah, we thought the worse was going to happen, too. So, again, I'm sorry, I don't feel any more bad for somebody who was safe and well sheltered that day than I do everybody else.

[upontheventura]

Well of course Stevie was traumatized, and I don't care about where she was staying... I will not comment on the journals again. She is a writer. Writers write. Its therapeutic. She is a successful artist who puts these writings out for others to see. She is trying to help others, I sincerely beleive this. So I found them odd. Others may have found them comforting.I think Stevie's intentions are pure of heart. I have always loved her emotional aspect. God bless her and God bless America! I am TRYING to be positive. And that is it on this subject for me for real.

[dissention]

So, again, I'm sorry, I don't feel any more bad for somebody who was safe and well sheltered that day than I do everybody else.

Yeah, because I'm sure people in New York City, even those in their "plush" hotels, felt safe and well sheltered on September 11th.

[SteveMacD]

That is interesting, because they closed all the Federal Courts - I know because I work next to one.
Yes, they did. However, my hearing was in a family court, which is county, not fed. And, I was on the phone all day with the attorney to see if the court was still open.
I mean what does being at "one of the plushest hotels in the world" have to do with anything is my point, esp. when you just said "It was an awful day no matter where you were" :shrug:
I'm not saying it was any less awful for her as it was for the rest of us who weren't really a part of it. But I'm also not going to feel more pity for her just because she was in NYC at the time. For her to suggest that not being allowed to leave the WALDORF is akin to a "lock-down" seems a bit crass. Oh the horror of not being able to get away from some of the best dining and accomodations in NYC, no THE WORLD. It's not like she was in a Holiday Inn, for crying out loud. How awful could the Waldorf be if the sounds and smells of what happened weren't enough to wake her for at least two hours after the fact?

[SteveMacD]

Yeah, because I'm sure people in New York City, even those in their "plush" hotels, felt safe and well sheltered on September 11th.
NOBODY felt safe, no matter where they were, on September 11.

[strandinthewind]

Yes, they did. However, my hearing was in a family court, which is county, not fed. And, I was on the phone all day with the attorney to see if the court was still open.

On second read - my post implied I was doubting you were in court. I was not, I was just commenting that the Fed. Courts were closed.

I'm not saying it was any less awful for her as it was for the rest of us who weren't really a part of it. But I'm also not going to feel more pity for her just because she was in NYC at the time. For her to suggest that not being allowed to leave the WALDORF is akin to a "lock-down" seems a bit crass. Oh the horror of not being able to get away from some of the best dining and accomodations in NYC, no THE WORLD. It's not like she was in a Holiday Inn, for crying out loud. How awful could the Waldorf be if the sounds and smells of what happened weren't enough to wake her for at least two hours after the fact?

For all we know or knew at the time, there could have been bombs in buildings all over NYC - the security people certainly looked for them :shrug: Also, I do not think she was implying that she could not leave because of the lock down - I think she noted it to demonstrate that the seriousness of the situation a la the evacuation of cars, which sould have held bombs, the no people on the street, the siege like mentality and anarchy that was in NYC at the time. So, I think you are coming at her statement from the wrong angle.

[HejiraNYC]

Why not? Everyone in New York that day deserves special sympathy. Can you fathom actually being there and having to face the reality of what happened firsthand? To say that they don't deserve special sympathy is offensive to me (I'm not saying you necessarily feel this way, mind you). If it was hard for people to watch what was going down on their television screens, imagine what it was like being there. Give me a ****ing break.

After reading tidbits of this thread, I find it rather disturbing that what was originally intended to be a warm gesture of comfort has been transformed into this ugly debate about 9/11 and those who feel the right to feel traumatized by the events and those who don't. I was also in NYC on 9/11 as were millions of other residents and yes, it was traumatic for me being there- the ash covered cabs, the eerily empty avenues, the cloying bitter stench in the air. And everyone had a story about where they were, what they were doing. And everyone feels like their story is more dramatic than anyone else's just because they lived through it and nobody else could possibly begin to understand their trauma- whether they were down on Wall Street, or whether they were in a posh uptown hotel suite, or whether they were halfway around the world.

I'll just state it- my sister was killed on 9/11, and it's not something I advertise openly or mention casually. It's just something that is so drastically horrific that nobody could bear to hear it. So when the topic of 9/11 does come up in conversation with casual strangers, and it still comes up- at work, in social settings, etc., I basically become silent and just listen to what others went through. It's not a contest of who can out-shock the other, or who had the worst horror story. Everybody cried, everybody grieved on that day, regardless of whether the tragedy hit home or not. And everyone's pain is legitimate. And it's true that "non-New Yorkers" don't really understand what it was like to be here when the world appeared to be going to hell and you could not take anything, not even your own home, for granted anymore. In typical New York fashion, even tragedy became in-your-face; it was inescapable. Accordingly, I understand why the memories of the day are still traumatizing for Stevie, and I appreciate the fact that Stevie took the time and made the effort to share her own take on it; it's comforting in the "you are not alone" sense. I am sure that if any one of you took the time to write a letter to Peter Jennings when he was diagnosed, you would also cite his tenacity and strength on that day and you would also probably mention what you were doing and how it affected you. It only underscored how important it was to hear his calming voice.

So please cut Mama some slack!!!!!

[MacMan]

After reading tidbits of this thread, I find it rather disturbing that what was originally intended to be a warm gesture of comfort has been transformed into this ugly debate about 9/11 and those who feel the right to feel traumatized by the events and those who don't. I was also in NYC on 9/11 as were millions of other residents and yes, it was traumatic for me being there- the ash covered cabs, the eerily empty avenues, the cloying bitter stench in the air. And everyone had a story about where they were, what they were doing. And everyone feels like their story is more dramatic than anyone else's just because they lived through it and nobody else could possibly begin to understand their trauma- whether they were down on Wall Street, or whether they were in a posh uptown hotel suite, or whether they were halfway around the world.

I'll just state it- my sister was killed on 9/11, and it's not something I advertise openly or mention casually. It's just something that is so drastically horrific that nobody could bear to hear it. So when the topic of 9/11 does come up in conversation with casual strangers, and it still comes up- at work, in social settings, etc., I basically become silent and just listen to what others went through. It's not a contest of who can out-shock the other, or who had the worst horror story. Everybody cried, everybody grieved on that day, regardless of whether the tragedy hit home or not. And everyone's pain is legitimate. And it's true that "non-New Yorkers" don't really understand what it was like to be here when the world appeared to be going to hell and you could not take anything, not even your own home, for granted anymore. In typical New York fashion, even tragedy became in-your-face; it was inescapable. Accordingly, I understand why the memories of the day are still traumatizing for Stevie, and I appreciate the fact that Stevie took the time and made the effort to share her own take on it; it's comforting in the "you are not alone" sense. I am sure that if any one of you took the time to write a letter to Peter Jennings when he was diagnosed, you would also cite his tenacity and strength on that day and you would also probably mention what you were doing and how it affected you. It only underscored how important it was to hear his calming voice.

So please cut Mama some slack!!!!!

Thank you.. Well said, and I'm sorry to hear about your sister :(

[amber]

After reading tidbits of this thread, I find it rather disturbing that what was originally intended to be a warm gesture of comfort has been transformed into this ugly debate about 9/11 and those who feel the right to feel traumatized by the events and those who don't. I was also in NYC on 9/11 as were millions of other residents and yes, it was traumatic for me being there- the ash covered cabs, the eerily empty avenues, the cloying bitter stench in the air. And everyone had a story about where they were, what they were doing. And everyone feels like their story is more dramatic than anyone else's just because they lived through it and nobody else could possibly begin to understand their trauma- whether they were down on Wall Street, or whether they were in a posh uptown hotel suite, or whether they were halfway around the world.

I'll just state it- my sister was killed on 9/11, and it's not something I advertise openly or mention casually. It's just something that is so drastically horrific that nobody could bear to hear it. So when the topic of 9/11 does come up in conversation with casual strangers, and it still comes up- at work, in social settings, etc., I basically become silent and just listen to what others went through. It's not a contest of who can out-shock the other, or who had the worst horror story. Everybody cried, everybody grieved on that day, regardless of whether the tragedy hit home or not. And everyone's pain is legitimate. And it's true that "non-New Yorkers" don't really understand what it was like to be here when the world appeared to be going to hell and you could not take anything, not even your own home, for granted anymore. In typical New York fashion, even tragedy became in-your-face; it was inescapable. Accordingly, I understand why the memories of the day are still traumatizing for Stevie, and I appreciate the fact that Stevie took the time and made the effort to share her own take on it; it's comforting in the "you are not alone" sense. I am sure that if any one of you took the time to write a letter to Peter Jennings when he was diagnosed, you would also cite his tenacity and strength on that day and you would also probably mention what you were doing and how it affected you. It only underscored how important it was to hear his calming voice.

So please cut Mama some slack!!!!!

Many times a little perspective is very valuable. Thank you for sharing.
I'm very sorry about your sister.

[strandinthewind]

Indeed - all of my heart goes out to you and I am sorry for your loss.

[SteveMacD]

For all we know or knew at the time, there could have been bombs in buildings all over NYC - the security people certainly looked for them :shrug:
Yeah, but that's the way it was in every metro area in the USA. As I said, there was some type of weird sonic-boom (the kind that shakes the windows) in my area, which would be a prime place for a terrorist attack, given the military presence. So, again, just because she was in NYC doesn't mean she was in any more danger than the rest of us. As it is, I saw immediately that they were going after military and financial institutions, so a hotel wouldn't have been my primary concern.
Also, I do not think she was implying that she could not leave because of the lock down - I think she noted it to demonstrate that the seriousness of the situation...So, I think you are coming at her statement from the wrong angle.
Still, it's the kind of thing that makes most peoples' eyes roll. For her, it could have been worse. I mean, I'd feel bad for her if she were in one of NYC's many fine roach motels, with crappy plumbing, no AC, no working elevator, lights burned out, sheets nobody wants to sleep on, you get the picture. I guess if I were her, I'd at least qualify that comment, because it seems pretty ridiculous to the average person, and I refuse to feel any more bad for her because she was in NYC.

[Cour]

Yeah, but that's the way it was in every metro area in the USA. As I said, there was some type of weird sonic-boom (the kind that shakes the windows) in my area, which would be a prime place for a terrorist attack, given the military presence. So, again, just because she was in NYC doesn't mean she was in any more danger than the rest of us. As it is, I saw immediately that they were going after military and financial institutions, so a hotel wouldn't have been my primary concern.

I find it impossible to believe on that day that you were in more danger being in Dayton Ohio that anyone was in NYC. As far as Stevie's PLUSH location in her NYC hotel :rolleyes: The Waldorf is within a few blocks of Rockefeller Center which would have been a great secondary target for any attack. Does that make her experience and fear any more worthy in your eyes? The city she was in was being attacked.

Still, it's the kind of thing that makes most peoples' eyes roll. For her, it could have been worse. I mean, I'd feel bad for her if she were in one of NYC's many fine roach motels, with crappy plumbing, no AC, no working elevator, lights burned out, sheets nobody wants to sleep on, you get the picture. I guess if I were her, I'd at least qualify that comment, because it seems pretty ridiculous to the average person, and I refuse to feel any more bad for her because she was in NYC.

Yes, it could have been a lot worse for Stevie in NYC on 9/11...she could have been staying in a hotel closer to the WTC. I think to start comparing her experience to some burnt out flea bag hotels is really far reaching here and way over the top, especially in light of Hejira's post tonight. No one is asking you to feel bad for her because of her plush location, especially since you can't seem to have any compassion or admit that her experience being in NYC was perhaps more traumatic than someone elses living somewhere else in the country.

As for Stevie's reference to a "lock down", the entire city was in a lock down and no one knew whether the power plants or water supply was going to be hit next. People who were stuck in the city didn't know when the city would be open again or when they could leave. No one knew if they would have fresh water or food since the people who are in the service business in NYC don't live in the city itself. Any commercial store or kitchen has barely a few days supplies on hand. Stevie might have been refering to the hotel suggesting they don't leave or her feeling she couldn't leave the city and was in lock down in the hotel and/or city. Does it really make a difference?

You could have been a mere 2 miles from the WTC at 11:00 am on 9/11 and if you had not turned on the news and just looked out your window, depending on your view you would have thought it was one of the pretties days of the year. The fact that she slept through it (for whoever brought it up) means absolutely nothing.

Having to defend anything to do with what anyone was feeling on or after 9/11 is incomprehensible to me. The fact that the person being defended was in NYC at the time of the attacks and their experience is being belittled because they stayed in a plush hotel and they weren't in a flea bag somewhere else in NYC or Dayton or San Antonio or Anywhere USA is ridiculous, IMO.

For most, if not all of the people who were in NYC on 9/11 it is something they will never forget and the feelings and emotions about that day are still right under the surface and the tiniest thing can bring it right to the surface. If you weren't there, you cannot know, and are certainly in no position to judge their experience and memories.

[Cour]

HejiraNYC - I'm so sorry to hear about your sister.

[lagringader&r]

Wow this is my first post in a while. I had to scan all this and make notes in my head to remember what I want to say. First, HejiraNYC, I am SO sorry about your sister. Gawd, that day is more horrible for you than anybody else here and it just brings home the devastation that day was.

The letter: I think it was a nice letter and something she felt she needed to write to somebody she admired. I get where some peeps are coming from in that it seems a little odd in some places and I almost always stick up for Stevie, but she is self absorbed. They all are. I don't know her on a personal level but her music has moved me and changed me and that's why I like her. On a personal level, she might be (no I'm sure she is) really spoiled, pampered and a diva to the extreme. I don't think that's part of her charm at all and it's a turn off. But , I do think this letter to Peter Jennings was a sincere wish for him to get well and let him know what an impact he had on her on one of the most horrible days for everybody. Nobody had seen anything like that in our lives and he was the one person (according to her) that stayed calm and talked people through it. 9/11 was the hardest thing he probably had to do or to report about in his career and she seemed to need to let him know that he helped. She said "my name is Stevie Nicks" so she didn't automatically assume he would know who she was. I do agree that she is self absorbed but I think her intentions were good toward a dying man. If they were anything but, I'm not sure I could listen to her anymore.

She was staying in a really nice, plush, 5 star hotel. There were planes flying through the sky and crashing into buildings in New York that day. Do you think ANYBODY felt safe? Terrorists don't give a **** if you're staying in the Waldorf Astoria or in a Motel 6. If they want to crash your building, they'll crash your building. Wealth and fame didn't buy her safety that day. Luck did, in that she wasn't harmed. Thanks for posting her journal entries from the week of 9/11 too. Gawd, that brings it all back.

One last note coz it's funny to me and it wouldn't be like me not to bring it up. Did anybody else notice that on one of the darkest days of her life (and everybody's) that the person she chose to call was Don Henley? She mentioned him in her letter to Peter and then again in her journal entries from the week of 9/11. Of all people in the world she could have called, she chose him and her family. That says A LOT.

[jwd]

I too am sorry to hear about your sister HejiraNYC. My heart goes out to you and all those who lost loved ones on that tragic day.

[SapphireSister]

Wow this is my first post in a while. I had to scan all this and make notes in my head to remember what I want to say. First, HejiraNYC, I am SO sorry about your sister. Gawd, that day is more horrible for you than anybody else here and it just brings home the devastation that day was.

The letter: I think it was a nice letter and something she felt she needed to write to somebody she admired. I get where some peeps are coming from in that it seems a little odd in some places and I almost always stick up for Stevie, but she is self absorbed. They all are. I don't know her on a personal level but her music has moved me and changed me and that's why I like her. On a personal level, she might be (no I'm sure she is) really spoiled, pampered and a diva to the extreme. I don't think that's part of her charm at all and it's a turn off. But , I do think this letter to Peter Jennings was a sincere wish for him to get well and let him know what an impact he had on her on one of the most horrible days for everybody. Nobody had seen anything like that in our lives and he was the one person (according to her) that stayed calm and talked people through it. 9/11 was the hardest thing he probably had to do or to report about in his career and she seemed to need to let him know that he helped. She said "my name is Stevie Nicks" so she didn't automatically assume he would know who she was. I do agree that she is self absorbed but I think her intentions were good toward a dying man. If they were anything but, I'm not sure I could listen to her anymore.

She was staying in a really nice, plush, 5 star hotel. There were planes flying through the sky and crashing into buildings in New York that day. Do you think ANYBODY felt safe? Terrorists don't give a **** if you're staying in the Waldorf Astoria or in a Motel 6. If they want to crash your building, they'll crash your building. Wealth and fame didn't buy her safety that day. Luck did, in that she wasn't harmed. Thanks for posting her journal entries from the week of 9/11 too. Gawd, that brings it all back.

One last note coz it's funny to me and it wouldn't be like me not to bring it up. Did anybody else notice that on one of the darkest days of her life (and everybody's) that the person she chose to call was Don Henley? She mentioned him in her letter to Peter and then again in her journal entries from the week of 9/11. Of all people in the world she could have called, she chose him and her family. That says A LOT.

Welcome back, Sue. I've missed you and I agree whole-heartedly with everything you said :xoxo:.

[gldstwmn]

utterly campy humor in all of this.

Campy humor? :confused:

[gldstwmn]

It seems campy,.

I'm not getting that part.

[Johnny Stew]

HejiraNYC, I'd like to express my deepest sympathies to you over the loss of your sister.
I can't even begin to imagine the depth of pain you and your family has felt, and I can only hope that you've found some amount of comfort somewhere.

Not to get preachy, but in the months following 9/11, my only hope was that that tragedy, and the tragedies which befall other countries far too frequently, would open our eyes as to how important it is that we be more understanding and compassionate towards each other.
But I'm not sure that anything has changed... at least not for the better.

[lagringader&r]

Welcome back, Sue. I've missed you and I agree whole-heartedly with everything you said :xoxo:.

Thanks, Lindsay!!! I missed this place too and I've got a lot of catching up to do now! It took me forever to read this thread and I haven't even looked at another one yet.

[amber]

Thanks, Lindsay!!! I missed this place too and I've got a lot of catching up to do now! It took me forever to read this thread and I haven't even looked at another one yet.
You're PM's are full.
Welcome back. We were wondering where you were. :wavey: :blob2:

[Johnny Stew]

Campy humor? :confused:Apparently Stevie doesn't display an appropriate amount of sophistication or jaded cynicism, so her sometimes "clumsy" sentimentality becomes a free-for-all Ridicule buffet.

[gldstwmn]

NOBODY felt safe, no matter where they were, on September 11.

I sure the hell didn't. I'll never forget the sound of the fighter jets from Buckley flying over my house in the middle of the night.
It was the only time that I strongly felt like I needed my parents to make me feel safe and I was 38 years old at the time.

[BlackWidow]

After reading tidbits of this thread, I find it rather disturbing that what was originally intended to be a warm gesture of comfort has been transformed into this ugly debate about 9/11 and those who feel the right to feel traumatized by the events and those who don't. I was also in NYC on 9/11 as were millions of other residents and yes, it was traumatic for me being there- the ash covered cabs, the eerily empty avenues, the cloying bitter stench in the air. And everyone had a story about where they were, what they were doing. And everyone feels like their story is more dramatic than anyone else's just because they lived through it and nobody else could possibly begin to understand their trauma- whether they were down on Wall Street, or whether they were in a posh uptown hotel suite, or whether they were halfway around the world.

I'll just state it- my sister was killed on 9/11, and it's not something I advertise openly or mention casually. It's just something that is so drastically horrific that nobody could bear to hear it. So when the topic of 9/11 does come up in conversation with casual strangers, and it still comes up- at work, in social settings, etc., I basically become silent and just listen to what others went through. It's not a contest of who can out-shock the other, or who had the worst horror story. Everybody cried, everybody grieved on that day, regardless of whether the tragedy hit home or not. And everyone's pain is legitimate. And it's true that "non-New Yorkers" don't really understand what it was like to be here when the world appeared to be going to hell and you could not take anything, not even your own home, for granted anymore. In typical New York fashion, even tragedy became in-your-face; it was inescapable. Accordingly, I understand why the memories of the day are still traumatizing for Stevie, and I appreciate the fact that Stevie took the time and made the effort to share her own take on it; it's comforting in the "you are not alone" sense. I am sure that if any one of you took the time to write a letter to Peter Jennings when he was diagnosed, you would also cite his tenacity and strength on that day and you would also probably mention what you were doing and how it affected you. It only underscored how important it was to hear his calming voice.

So please cut Mama some slack!!!!!
I am very sorry for your loss.

[Dreammms]

After reading tidbits of this thread, I find it rather disturbing that what was originally intended to be a warm gesture of comfort has been transformed into this ugly debate about 9/11 and those who feel the right to feel traumatized by the events and those who don't. I was also in NYC on 9/11 as were millions of other residents and yes, it was traumatic for me being there- the ash covered cabs, the eerily empty avenues, the cloying bitter stench in the air. And everyone had a story about where they were, what they were doing. And everyone feels like their story is more dramatic than anyone else's just because they lived through it and nobody else could possibly begin to understand their trauma- whether they were down on Wall Street, or whether they were in a posh uptown hotel suite, or whether they were halfway around the world.

I'll just state it- my sister was killed on 9/11, and it's not something I advertise openly or mention casually. It's just something that is so drastically horrific that nobody could bear to hear it. So when the topic of 9/11 does come up in conversation with casual strangers, and it still comes up- at work, in social settings, etc., I basically become silent and just listen to what others went through. It's not a contest of who can out-shock the other, or who had the worst horror story. Everybody cried, everybody grieved on that day, regardless of whether the tragedy hit home or not. And everyone's pain is legitimate. And it's true that "non-New Yorkers" don't really understand what it was like to be here when the world appeared to be going to hell and you could not take anything, not even your own home, for granted anymore. In typical New York fashion, even tragedy became in-your-face; it was inescapable. Accordingly, I understand why the memories of the day are still traumatizing for Stevie, and I appreciate the fact that Stevie took the time and made the effort to share her own take on it; it's comforting in the "you are not alone" sense. I am sure that if any one of you took the time to write a letter to Peter Jennings when he was diagnosed, you would also cite his tenacity and strength on that day and you would also probably mention what you were doing and how it affected you. It only underscored how important it was to hear his calming voice.

So please cut Mama some slack!!!!!

I am so sorry about your sister. :(
I had a couple of friends die on 9-11.
Whenever I think about 9-11 or read about it I always start crying.
I honestly think my life has changed since that day...

[gldstwmn]

I'll just state it- my sister was killed on 9/11

I am so, so sorry for your loss.

[lagringader&r]

You're PM's are full.
Welcome back. We were wondering where you were. :wavey: :blob2:

Oh my gawd, I am shocked AND my pms are full? Thanks, Amber and just for you, :xoxo:

[BlackWidow]

:)
yeah. I'm just thinking, what if I wrote down my random thoughts, and my dreams, and what they meant to me? It would be totally lame. (I don't keep a journal, anyway, but). So, while I, too appreciate when something sounds silly and you giggle at it, and I do giggle at Stevie, I can't really go over the top like that, making fun of her, because I know my stuff would be stupid, and I would get embarrassed or get my feelings hurt if people made fun of it THAT MUCH. Especially if I'd decided to share my private thoughts with them. I dunno....and YOU KNOW i like to make fun of stuff!!! :laugh:
you are probably right on that one.

[Dreammms]

Great post Dissention, Strand, COUR and HejiraNYC. Thanks.

[glitter_fades]

That is just glitter being cryptic - I mean if she wanted to, she'd explain it, but she won't and instead will attack people for relying on quotes because she was there and knows more :wavey: :p

Come again? What's cryptic about my observation? :shrug: What do quotes have to do with anything besides jumping on Stevie's words to Mr. Jennings, which I have not done. :confused: I know the difference between somebody being self absorbed and somebody suffering and needing comfort for her own pain, yet having the heart and compassion to reach out and help another human being in her own time of distress. Sorry if you think that sounds like I know more.

Good to know you're not attacking anyone with your comment. :(

[strandinthewind]

Come again? What's cryptic about my observation? :shrug: What do quotes have to do with anything besides jumping on Stevie's words to Mr. Jennings, which I have not done. :confused: I know the difference between somebody being self absorbed and somebody suffering and needing comfort for her own pain, yet having the heart to reach out and help another human being in her time of distress. Sorry if you think that sounds like I know more.

Good to know you're not attacking anyone with your comment. :(

I was being silly - you goose - thus the :wavey: :p

Sorry for any confusion :angel:

[Kelly]

It seems to me that the original point of Stevie's letter has been long lost. How about a little sympathy for what she is going through with her Dad...would that be sooo tough for any of her fans to muster?
Instead we make fun of her writing style. We make fun of her excentricities. We make fun of her stance on 9/11. We make fun of the way she expressed her own, personal fears from 9/11. We focus on the minutia, like she used the word "lock down", talked about her dreams, or she twice mentioned her friend of almost 30 years Don Henley.
It seems glaringly obvious to me that Stevie used her letter to Peter to segway into what is happening to her personally with her Dad. Other than saying he had broken his leg at the Phoenix show, she had not openly spoken about how ill he is. Do any of you care how much she is hurting? Has anyone besides me and a few other people noticed how she appears to be coping with her grief? The shows I saw were worrisome but the focus was always.."hey she kicked ass".
Perhaps we could try to shift the focus back to her original intent..to express her sympathy over Peter's death and to reach out to her fan base for a little support in her own time of grief.

Oh and HeirjaNY...My sympathies. Your post was excellent and very well spoken.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

It seems to me that the original point of Stevie's letter has been long lost. How about a little sympathy for what she is going through with her Dad...would that be sooo tough for any of her fans to muster?
Instead we make fun of her writing style. We make fun of her excentricities. We make fun of her stance on 9/11. We make fun of the way she expressed her own, personal fears from 9/11. We focus on the minutia, like she used the word "lock down", talked about her dreams, or she twice mentioned her friend of almost 30 years Don Henley.
It seems glaringly obvious to me that Stevie used her letter to Peter to segway into what is happening to her personally with her Dad. Other than saying he had broken his leg at the Phoenix show, she had not openly spoken about how ill he is. Do any of you care how much she is hurting? Has anyone besides me and a few other people noticed how she appears to be coping with her grief? The shows I saw were worrisome but the focus was always.."hey she kicked ass".
Perhaps we could try to shift the focus back to her original intent..to express her sympathy over Peter's death and to reach out to her fan base for a little support in her own time of grief.

I care. I had no problem with the journal entry. I'm just glad when she shares them.

Oh and HeirjaNY...My sympathies. Your post was excellent and very well spoken.
I agree. My sympathies are with you also HeirjaNY

Pip

[HejiraNYC]

Well, my heartfelt thanks to all of you for your kind words. :xoxo: I really was just trying to make a point about trauma and how it affects us all differently but significantly. That was all.

As for Stevie, her letter to PJ does seem a bit disjointed- where she's talking about 9/11, Don Henley, her father, etc. But that's really what she has been doing all along with her music- finding the common meaning behind disparate situations. For example, she managed to weave themes of death and loss around the song of a bird in flight- Rhiannon, her grandfather and John Lennon (from Edge of Seventeen) and Robin (in Nightbird) and arguably even her unborn child (the starling in "Sara"). Similarly her letter is about strength, hope and renewal in the face of adversity- whether it's picking up the pieces after a national tragedy, being the calm in the storm during the tragedy, recovering from a broken leg or just kicking the cig habit. Okay, the bit about TISL was a little tacky. But if she was a pastry chef rather than a singer/songwriter, she would have probably sent him boxes of baked goodies. That's just the type of person she is.

[gldstwmn]

The shows I saw were worrisome

In what way?

[Livia]

My heart goes out to you and your family, HejiraNYC...I can't even imagine... :distress: :xoxo:

[GypsySorcerer]

Well, my heartfelt thanks to all of you for your kind words. :xoxo: I really was just trying to make a point about trauma and how it affects us all differently but significantly. That was all.



My deepest sympathies to you and your family. :(

[skcin]

I just read the last 8 pages or so of this thread - my, it has gotten quite serious.

HejiraNYC - words can't express how sorry I am. Your post made me burst into tears & that has never happened here before. I am so, so sorry for you and your family.

[DrummerDeanna]

I just read the last 8 pages or so of this thread - my, it has gotten quite serious.

HejiraNYC - words can't express how sorry I am. Your post made me burst into tears & that has never happened here before. I am so, so sorry for you and your family.


After reading YOUR post i went back and read - and Hejira - I am also sorry - but thank you so much for sharing that story.

[SteveMacD]

I find it impossible to believe on that day that you were in more danger being in Dayton Ohio that anyone was in NYC.
Really? It was obvious to me that they were targeting financial and military institutions. I live about a mile from the largest Air Force base in America. Why wouldn't we have been a target? Incidentally, I never said that I was in more danger. I said that every metro area in the country felt as if it were in danger. But, thanks for putting words into my mouth.
As far as Stevie's PLUSH location in her NYC hotel :rolleyes: The Waldorf is within a few blocks of Rockefeller Center which would have been a great secondary target for any attack. Does that make her experience and fear any more worthy in your eyes? The city she was in was being attacked.
But so was Washington. Nobody knew what the hell was next. We were all scared about what was next. We all felt as if we were secondary targets. At least those of us who live near financial or military institutions. And all I'm saying is that to be "locked-down" in a plush hotel isn't the worst thing that can happen to a person. In terms of her fear, it was everybody's fear, so no, I wouldn't say it was any more or less worthy than anybody else's fear. Sure, it was within blocks, but the fact that she was able to sleep through it tells me that she was pretty unaffected by it at the moment it happened.
I think to start comparing her experience to some burnt out flea bag hotels is really far reaching here and way over the top, especially in light of Hejira's post tonight.
Why? Because I refuse to buy into the whole "poor Stevie was in NYC on 9/11" thing? My stand will always be that she was in a plush hotel and was so sheltered that she slept through the whole thing. In that light, I don't honestly feel any more or less pity for her than I do anybody else who wasn't directly affected by 9/11.
No one is asking you to feel bad for her because of her plush location, especially since you can't seem to have any compassion or admit that her experience being in NYC was perhaps more traumatic than someone elses living somewhere else in the country.
So I don't have compassion, eh? I guess that's why I'm a SOCIAL WORKER who's worked in Adult Protective Services, a nursing home, a Hospice, and with the homeless. No, I have loads of compassion, it's just that I've seen ACTUAL suffering. Being "forced" to stay in the Waldorf, where she slept through the worst attack in our country's history even though she was in the same city, isn't what I'd exactly call suffering.
As for Stevie's reference to a "lock down", the entire city was in a lock down and no one knew whether the power plants or water supply was going to be hit next. People who were stuck in the city didn't know when the city would be open again or when they could leave. No one knew if they would have fresh water or food since the people who are in the service business in NYC don't live in the city itself. Any commercial store or kitchen has barely a few days supplies on hand. Stevie might have been refering to the hotel suggesting they don't leave or her feeling she couldn't leave the city and was in lock down in the hotel and/or city. Does it really make a difference?
Well, for me, yeah it does, actually. If I were writing that kind of letter, I guess my attitude would be "thank heavens I was at the Waldorf, it COULD have been worse."
You could have been a mere 2 miles from the WTC at 11:00 am on 9/11 and if you had not turned on the news and just looked out your window, depending on your view you would have thought it was one of the pretties days of the year. The fact that she slept through it (for whoever brought it up) means absolutely nothing.
It means that she didn't feel she was in any danger. It means the folks at the Waldorf didn't feel she was in any danger. BTW, SHE'S the one who said something about awakening at 11:00.
Having to defend anything to do with what anyone was feeling on or after 9/11 is incomprehensible to me.
Who said anything about how she was feeling, or that what she was feeling was wrong? All I said was that maybe, just maybe, Stevie wasn't that bad off on 9/11 and that what she felt is what everybody felt.
If you weren't there, you cannot know, and are certainly in no position to judge their experience and memories.
I don't recall that I was judging her memories. But, again, thanks for putting words into my mouth.


EDIT: BTW, I see a contradiction in these two comments:

I find it impossible to believe on that day that you were in more danger being in Dayton Ohio that anyone was in NYC.

Having to defend anything to do with what anyone was feeling on or after 9/11 is incomprehensible to me.

It seems to me that you're asking me to defend MY feelings about being in potential danger in Dayton on 9/11. A bit hypocritical, eh?

[MacMan]

It seems to me that the original point of Stevie's letter has been long lost. How about a little sympathy for what she is going through with her Dad...would that be sooo tough for any of her fans to muster?
Instead we make fun of her writing style. We make fun of her excentricities. We make fun of her stance on 9/11. We make fun of the way she expressed her own, personal fears from 9/11. We focus on the minutia, like she used the word "lock down", talked about her dreams, or she twice mentioned her friend of almost 30 years Don Henley.
It seems glaringly obvious to me that Stevie used her letter to Peter to segway into what is happening to her personally with her Dad. Other than saying he had broken his leg at the Phoenix show, she had not openly spoken about how ill he is. Do any of you care how much she is hurting? Has anyone besides me and a few other people noticed how she appears to be coping with her grief? The shows I saw were worrisome but the focus was always.."hey she kicked ass".
Perhaps we could try to shift the focus back to her original intent..to express her sympathy over Peter's death and to reach out to her fan base for a little support in her own time of grief.

Oh and HeirjaNY...My sympathies. Your post was excellent and very well spoken.

Nicely put Kelly... :thumbsup:

[sparky]

Sure, it was within blocks, but the fact that she was able to sleep through it tells me that she was pretty unaffected by it at the moment it happened.


I would probably attribute this to Ambien, earplugs, and thick windows.



Because I refuse to buy into the whole "poor Stevie was in NYC on 9/11" thing? My stand will always be that she was in a plush hotel and was so sheltered that she slept through the whole thing. In that light, I don't honestly feel any more or less pity for her than I do anybody else who wasn't directly affected by 9/11.

For some reason, I never interpreted her journal entries as a plea for pity or sympathy. Just a chance to show how awful it was to be there. And I am sure it was. Probably a particular shock for her, seeing as how she is so sheltered and it is well documented that she is a hyper sensitive drama queen to begin with. Part of why we like her.

Being "forced" to stay in the Waldorf, where she slept through the worst attack in our country's history even though she was in the same city, isn't what I'd exactly call suffering.

I don't know that I agree. You can't quantify another person's state of mind or emotional upset. Everyone's routine was disrupted. My BF at the time lived across from a federal building in downtown LA and stayed at my house for 3 days. I don't suppose he was affected either.

All I said was that maybe, just maybe, Stevie wasn't that bad off on 9/11 and that what she felt is what everybody felt.

I wasn't that bad off, I suppose. I didn't know anyone there, I was far away, and rarely get panicked about anything. But then, I don't cry at the drop of a feathered hat and wear my heart on my sleeve like she does. Although, the post about Hejira's sister had me pretty damned upset when I read it.

[Serrart]

All my sympathies to you and your family HejiraNYC, and thanks for your beautiful posts.

Romy

[SteveMacD]

For some reason, I never interpreted her journal entries as a plea for pity or sympathy. Just a chance to show how awful it was to be there. And I am sure it was. Probably a particular shock for her, seeing as how she is so sheltered and it is well documented that she is a hyper sensitive drama queen to begin with. Part of why we like her.
I don't doubt for a second that it was awful to be there. Let's put it a different way. If you HAD to be in NYC on 9/11, where would you want to be? I know EXACTLY where I'd want to be in NYC on 9/11, and Stevie was there. (But, then, I'd want to be at the Waldorf in NYC on a good day, too.) I don't think her entry was a plea for pitty, but that's how a lot of fans seem to respond whenever somebody says something they don't agree with. It wasn't that Stevie was seeking pity, it's just that something she said struck me as funny. All I said was "oh the horror" of being locked-down at the Waldorf. The notion of being almost imprisoned at the Waldorf struck me as funny. Because, again, on 9/11, that was probably the best place to be in NYC.
I don't know that I agree. You can't quantify another person's state of mind or emotional upset. Everyone's routine was disrupted.
That was one of my basic points (after I got sucked into this). EVERYONE'S routine was disrupted. I don't doubt that she was upset. Who wasn't? It was a brutal day. But, let's not forget that she didn't directly witness the attacks. She saw what we saw, which was more than enough, and something I wish they'd stop showing out of respect to the families. The reason I keep bringing up this two hours later thing is that somebody suggested that Stevie saw people jumping out of buildings, which was obviously, by her own timeline, not true.

[Serrart]

I don't doubt for a second that it was awful to be there. Let's put it a different way. If you HAD to be in NYC on 9/11, where would you want to be? I know EXACTLY where I'd want to be in NYC on 9/11, and Stevie was there. (But, then, I'd want to be at the Waldorf in NYC on a good day, too.) I don't think her entry was a plea for pitty, but that's how a lot of fans seem to respond whenever somebody says something they don't agree with. It wasn't that Stevie was seeking pity, it's just that something she said struck me as funny. All I said was "oh the horror" of being locked-down at the Waldorf. The notion of being almost imprisoned at the Waldorf struck me as funny. Because, again, on 9/11, that was probably the best place to be in NYC.

That was one of my basic points (after I got sucked into this). EVERYONE'S routine was disrupted. I don't doubt that she was upset. Who wasn't? It was a brutal day. But, let's not forget that she didn't directly witness the attacks. She saw what we saw, which was more than enough, and something I wish they'd stop showing out of respect to the families. The reason I keep bringing up this two hours later thing is that somebody suggested that Stevie saw people jumping out of buildings, which was obviously, by her own timeline, not true.

There was a famous Italian journalist whose house was very close to Twin Towers and so witnessed everything happened. Then she told about it in a long article that became a book. She described the smells, the images, the moments, the people jumping from the buildings and what she said, the weight of her words made that article got under my skin. Everytime I watch scenes from 9-11 her article echoes in my mind, and I'm on the other side of the Ocean. I can't even imagine what could have been living that experience in New York that day. I can't see how to be in Waldorf Astoria can be seen a protection when the world is coming down around you. You can't know what she saw, what she felt, what she witnessed, how her life changed in that moment. As anyone can't really know what you felt, saw or how your life changed. JMO.

Romy

[SteveMacD]

I can't see how to be in Waldorf Astoria can be seen a protection when the world is coming down around you.
Again if you had to be in NYC on 9/11 and the subsequent days thereafter, the Waldorf was THE place to be.
You can't know what she saw, what she felt, what she witnessed, how her life changed in that moment. As anyone can't really know what you felt, saw or how your life changed. JMO.
But, we DO know that she didn't see people falling from the buildings at 11:00 in the morning. Unless there are new rules to the law of gravity that I don't know about. The rest is basic humanity, and I'm not arguing THAT part of it.

[SapphireSister]

There was a famous Italian journalist whose house was very close to Twin Towers and so witnessed everything happened. Then she told about it in a long article that became a book. She described the smells, the images, the moments, the people jumping from the buildings and what she said, the weight of her words made that article got under my skin. Everytime I watch scenes from 9-11 her article echoes in my mind, and I'm on the other side of the Ocean. I can't even imagine what could have been living that experience in New York that day. I can't see how to be in Waldorf Astoria can be seen a protection when the world is coming down around you. You can't know what she saw, what she felt, what she witnessed, how her life changed in that moment. As anyone can't really know what you felt, saw or how your life changed. JMO.

Romy

Romy, where do you live?

[Serrart]

Again if you had to be in NYC on 9/11 and the subsequent days thereafter, the Waldorf was THE place to be.

You really think there can be physical or emotional shields in war zones?

But, we DO know that she didn't see people falling from the buildings at 11:00 in the morning. Unless there are new rules to the law of gravity that I don't know about. The rest is basic humanity, and I'm not arguing THAT part of it.

I can't see how to watch the images in the news one hour later (if that was the case), being there, in the middle of a modern apocalypse, could have been less traumatizing. But it seems to be a comforting point for you, so I guess we con only agree to disagree.

Romy

[Serrart]

Romy, where do you live?

Italy. :)

Romy

[SapphireSister]

Italy. :)

Romy

Beautiful! My boss is there right now :). And your English is so perfect. I think they teach better English grammar there than in the states.

[Serrart]

Beautiful! My boss is there right now :).

I hope he's in the South, because in the centre and the North the weather is a bit of a mess right now.

And your English is so perfect. I think they teach better English grammar there than in the states.

Thank you, you're really kind. :) The reality is that I'm often saved by the edit option. :nod:

Romy

[Cour]

Really? It was obvious to me that they were targeting financial and military institutions. I live about a mile from the largest Air Force base in America. Why wouldn't we have been a target? Incidentally, I never said that I was in more danger. I said that every metro area in the country felt as if it were in danger. But, thanks for putting words into my mouth.

I was in NYC, it wasn't obvious to me that day that they were only going to target financial and military institutions. I didn't say you weren't in danger, I said IMO I didn't believe you were in more danger in Dayton OH than the people IN NYC on 9/11. Not looking back now with perspective...but how we felt on that day.

And all I'm saying is that to be "locked-down" in a plush hotel isn't the worst thing that can happen to a person. In terms of her fear, it was everybody's fear, so no, I wouldn't say it was any more or less worthy than anybody else's fear. Sure, it was within blocks, but the fact that she was able to sleep through it tells me that she was pretty unaffected by it at the moment it happened.

Right, there are a lot worse things that can happen to a person and I believe you said:

I mean, I'd feel bad for her if she were in one of NYC's many fine roach motels, with crappy plumbing, no AC, no working elevator, lights burned out, sheets nobody wants to sleep on, you get the picture.

I got the picture loud and clear!


Again, as for her being able to sleep through it. The windows in her hotel are pretty much sound proof or close to it. Her hotel was a few miles from the WTC. She was not within a few blocks. She didn't arrive at the hotel until the very early morning hours, so I don't understand your point about her being able to sleep through it? Do you think the noise from it should have awakened her? I was less than 2 miles from where Stevie was and (2) 100 stories buildings came crashing down, crushing everything in its path and I didn't hear a thing. If I didn't have the tv on I wouldn't have known what happened. I had the windows opened and I didn't hear it, so I don't understand the point about her sleeping through it.

Do you know all landline and cell phones allover Manhattan went out when the first tower was hit? Maybe she wasn't called because anyone who was watching couldn't get through to her hotel. I'm just guessing that it might have been a possibility, not that it's so important.

Why? Because I refuse to buy into the whole "poor Stevie was in NYC on 9/11" thing? My stand will always be that she was in a plush hotel and was so sheltered that she slept through the whole thing. In that light, I don't honestly feel any more or less pity for her than I do anybody else who wasn't directly affected by 9/11.

Once again, I don't understand what the heck her staying in a plush hotel has to do with the emotions that everyone who was in NYC on that day experienced. She wasn't sheltered, unless you count the fact that she had a roof over her head. If you didn't see it happen in real time on tv, you saw it repeated hundreds of times on the news during the next few days.

So I don't have compassion, eh? I guess that's why I'm a SOCIAL WORKER who's worked in Adult Protective Services, a nursing home, a Hospice, and with the homeless. No, I have loads of compassion, it's just that I've seen ACTUAL suffering. Being "forced" to stay in the Waldorf, where she slept through the worst attack in our country's history even though she was in the same city, isn't what I'd exactly call suffering.

I'm sorry, Steve. I've been reading your posts for several years and have always respected your opinions, but I don't care if the person's name is Stevie Nicks or Jane Doe but I was here on Sept 11th and I cannot understand how anyone could not have compassion for anyone who lived through being in NYC during those days in 2001. As I said in my previous post:


If you weren't there, you cannot know, and are certainly in no position to judge their experience and memories


I stand by what I said the first time. Stevie has said over and over again how being in NYC during 9/11 affected her, I don't have to know where she was staying or if she was not awake when the buildings fell to know that she felt compassion and genuine heartache for what was happening to the people and the City of New York, and our country. There's all kinds of suffering and I don't think I or anyone else referred to Stevie's time at the Waldorf as suffering, or compared anyone elses experience on 9/11 to anything your clients are going through. I'm sorry you can't see the difference between sitting in a hotel room in Minnesota and watching what was happening in NYC on 9/11, and being in NYC while that was happening on 9/11. As I said, you just had to be here to know.


I know the people on this message board love a good debate. Since I was in NYC during Sept 11th, this is not a subject where I can see anything other than compassion for anyone who was here on that day. Sorry, but we'll have to agree to disagree this time and I don't see a point in debating whether Stevie should have woken up that morning since I know this city and don't think she could have heard a thing in her hotel room and you feel differently. :shrug: I think we've reached an impasse on that issue and this whole debate.


BTW, some of my comments were not quoting direct posts of yours, and were meant to be directed at some of the sentiment of some of the other posts in this thread, not just yours. I think that's where you think I attributed certain statements to you that you did not make. I thought by seperating the paragraphs I was directly quoting, it would make that clear. I hope this addresses some of the rest of your comments where you didn't understand my statements.

[SteveMacD]

You really think there can be physical or emotional shields in war zones?
Again, if you had to be in NYC on 9/11, the Waldorf was the best place to be. Quit being overly dramatic. It was 6.51 miles away. It wasn't exactly next door.
I can't see how to watch the images in the news one hour later (if that was the case), being there, in the middle of a modern apocalypse, could have been less traumatizing.
They weren't playing images of people jumping out of buildings an hour later on ABC. I know because I was watching ABC when it was going on. They showed still photos, which were awful for everybody, but our news, specifically ABC, censored itself.

[Serrart]

Again, if you had to be in NYC on 9/11, the Waldorf was the best place to be. Quit being overly dramatic. It was 6.51 miles away. It wasn't exactly next door.

They weren't playing images of people jumping out of buildings an hour later on ABC. I know because I was watching ABC when it was going on. They showed still photos, which were awful for everybody, but our news, specifically ABC, censored itself.

I didn't know it. We have different opinions, but just to let you know, if Waldorf Astoria had satellite tv, the censorship wasn't really effective, because I watched those images while they were happening. Cnn international showed them and so did European channels.

Romy

[ShangriLaTroubl]

My how ridiculous this thread has turned...yes everyone had mixed feelings about 9/11, including the rich and famous like Stevie. No-one knew what was next, everyone was freaked out, and I imagine if I was 9 miles away I would feel even more freaked out--it's totally understandable..I dont think it's fair to sit here and debate people's individual dealing's with the tragedies--even if they were not directly affected...

When you live in a country and your fellow citizens and homeland get attacked, everyone feels hurt (most do anyway)--and I imagine if u are that close to all the death and destruction it probably was even more heavy

Chris

[SteveMacD]

Again, as for her being able to sleep through it. The windows in her hotel are pretty much sound proof or close to it. Her hotel was a few miles from the WTC. She was not within a few blocks.
Which leads more credit to the notion that she was in the best place to be in NYC on 9/11. That's all I've been saying.
She didn't arrive at the hotel until the very early morning hours, so I don't understand your point about her being able to sleep through it? Do you think the noise from it should have awakened her?
No. The fact that it didn't again suggests she was in the best place to be in NYC on 9/11. The fact that it didn't awaken her, that she didn't awaken until 11:00, that she was watching Peter Jennings, and that ABC self=censored certain immages tells me that she didn't directly witness the attacks or people falling out of buildings, as was suggested. She basically saw what I saw, and was safe. Now, you can that we know that in hindsight, but then I know in hindsight that I was also safe in Dayton.
Once again, I don't understand what the heck her staying in a plush hotel has to do with the emotions that everyone who was in NYC on that day experienced.
All I said was there were worse things than being in a "lock-down" in the Waldorf. I don't believed I ever suggested that it was a vacation anywhere in NYC, but Stevie was going to be well taken care of and was in the best possible place to be during in NYC on 9/11.
I cannot understand how anyone could not have compassion for anyone who lived through being in NYC during those days in 2001. As I said in my previous post:


If you weren't there, you cannot know, and are certainly in no position to judge their experience and memories


I stand by what I said the first time. Stevie has said over and over again how being in NYC during 9/11 affected her, I don't have to know where she was staying or if she was not awake when the buildings fell to know that she felt compassion and genuine heartache for what was happening to the people and the City of New York, and our country. There's all kinds of suffering and I don't think I or anyone else referred to Stevie's time at the Waldorf as suffering, or compared anyone elses experience on 9/11 to anything your clients are going through. I'm sorry you can't see the difference between sitting in a hotel room in Minnesota and watching what was happening in NYC on 9/11, and being in NYC while that was happening on 9/11. As I said, you just had to be here to know.
I wasn't judging her experience or her memories. I don't doubt that she felt "compassion and genuine heartache for what was happening to the people and the City of New York, and our country." All I'm saying is that EVERYBODY who wasn't a New Yorker or who didn't have family in NYC (or Washington) was feeling that way. I understand that there was a lot of confusion in NYC that day. I'm sure the memory of that day will be etched a little deeper for those in NYC than it would be for those not in NYC. My thing is that I see a difference between the anxieties of a New Yorker on 9/11 and a visitor to NYC on 9/11. I think it's safe to say 9/11 affected EVERYBODY on some level, and it will be something we will all remember and keep with us forever. While I didn't lose anybody personally, I know that a few friends and business associates of family died in the attacks.

[SteveMacD]

I didn't know it. We have different opinions, but just to let you know, if Waldorf Astoria had satellite tv, the censorship wasn't really effective, because I watched those images while they were happening. Cnn international showed them and so did European channels.
We saw them while they were happening, but within an hour, they decided not show that footage on US networks. So, Stevie still wouldn't have seen them. And, if Stevie's letter to Jennings is true, she would have been watching ABC.

[Macfanforever]

All I have to say on this tread, 1, Say goodbye to Peter Jennings, one of the top newspeople I like on tv, and the best.2, Stevie has a heart to spend the time writing to him. If he received it.3, lets pray for Stevie's Dad for he can be ok.4, Stop Stevie Bashing, I know everyone can voice their opinion.5, Sept 11
was the worst thing that happened , luckely Stevie was not hurt in the disaster,
Thank god.6, lets pray this won't happen again..

[sodascouts]

Well, my heartfelt thanks to all of you for your kind words. :xoxo: I really was just trying to make a point about trauma and how it affects us all differently but significantly. That was all.


Your point was well made, and I'm very sorry for your loss. Thanks for sharing.