Survivor: Members of Fleetwood Mac - ROUND 6 [Archive] - Page 2

sodascouts

07-08-2005, 07:11 PM

this thread was really good and now its just getting stupid! its a stupid competition between the buck and chiffonheads! for gods sake i think most of you know really that neither stevie or lindsey should rightfully be out this soon and theres a load of people who should be out before them!

You know what? I used to get so upset when the LB/SN factions fought. Then I realized, it was mostly amusing. It sure gets the blood pumping, and a good argument is even more fun to me than trying to decide which Dave or Bob gets the boot.

So don't sweat the small stuff!

heyjupiter678

07-08-2005, 07:20 PM

Which Fleetwood Macster once said, "In the '60s, rock 'n' roll was a change of attitude -- a drastic change which I think the Beatles were hugely responsible for"?

Dave Mason.

If so, immunity to Stevie.

dreamongypsydkm

07-08-2005, 08:07 PM

You people are sick. You've turned this into Lindsey vs. Stevie. And I've been sitting here attempting to choose between the two and concluded that Stevie should go.
Lindsey's a prodigal guitarist, producer, performer, and songwriter. Stevie is also brilliant and certainly gave the band it's mystique, however without Lindsey a majority of her songs wouldn't be quite as good. I firmly believe she shouldn't make a record without him as producer.

diamondsnake

07-08-2005, 09:23 PM

The answer is John McVie.

If so, immunity to Stevie Nicks...

dissention

07-08-2005, 09:37 PM

The answer is Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone.

If so, immunity to Linda Ronstadt.

wondergirl9847

07-08-2005, 09:51 PM

The answer is frick it.

Immunity to bite me.

Danny Kirwan for the win!

Dark Angel

07-08-2005, 10:09 PM

Poor Lindsey. Another fan who prefers him, but still runs a Stevie site instead.

Yeah...yeah. I know. :lol: Though even I can't remember when it was last updated. :laugh:

Dark Angel

07-08-2005, 10:34 PM

BOOOO!! HISSS!!!

heck, at least I offer lindsey downloads.

I have pics with Lindsey in them on my site, and if I could offer downloads, I would, but with free hosting and no complaints on the amount of space I can use..... :shrug:

lagringader&r

07-09-2005, 05:05 AM

[B][U] 8. Which Fleetwood Macster once said, "In the '60s, rock 'n' roll was a change of attitude -- a drastic change which I think the Beatles were hugely responsible for"?

Peter Green said that.

If so, immunity to Stevie

lagringader&r

07-09-2005, 05:13 AM

Which Fleetwood Macster once said, "In the '60s, rock 'n' roll was a change of attitude -- a drastic change which I think the Beatles were hugely responsible for"?

Er..or Mick Fleetwood.

If so, immunity to Stevie.

lagringader&r

07-09-2005, 05:23 AM

Lux informed me that this is how the game is played and that to vote someone off is a compliment to them, so I'm giving Lindsey the ultimate in compliments by voting him off in all caps. It's kind of a shame because I'd like to see Stevie and Lindsey in the final. But, I'd rather pay Lindsey the compliment. Soo, hasta la vista, baby. :wavey:

Moony

07-09-2005, 05:24 AM

The answer is Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone.

If so, immunity to Linda Ronstadt.
Did I ever tell you that I love you? :xoxo: :laugh:

Mari

07-09-2005, 06:25 AM

I have pics with Lindsey in them on my site, and if I could offer downloads, I would, but with free hosting and no complaints on the amount of space I can use..... :shrug:

:o Was just a poor defense over my crappy homepage, didn't meant to attack you! I mean I was boo-hissing at Johnny.
Ooooh, Lindsey pictures, must go and see...

GODDESS6

07-09-2005, 07:46 AM

A member of Fleetwood Mac, past or present.

Immunity to Lindsey, the greatest contributor to FM regardless of the ignorance of masses and their attraction to chiffon, basic tunes and limited piano thumping skills.
see that is your opinion, just like us so chiffonheads feel about stevie, i value you opinion :xoxo: y don't you ours?~

proud to be a stevie fan for 31+ yrs!!!!~

trackaghost

07-09-2005, 07:47 AM

You know what? I used to get so upset when the LB/SN factions fought. Then I realized, it was mostly amusing. It sure gets the blood pumping, and a good argument is even more fun to me than trying to decide which Dave or Bob gets the boot.

So don't sweat the small stuff!

Yep I agree. But my reaction to it all is to vote off both Stevie and Lindsey when it comes to the crunch. I want Greenie to win myself.

GODDESS6

07-09-2005, 07:48 AM

Yep I agree. But my reaction to it all is to vote off both Stevie and Lindsey when it comes to the crunch. I want Greenie to win myself.
i wouldn't mind peter green winning either, he is a great contributor!!!~

David

07-09-2005, 10:55 AM

Yep I agree. But my reaction to it all is to vote off both Stevie and Lindsey when it comes to the crunch. I want Greenie to win myself.I'd want Peter to win except that he deplores all such honors & contests. I'm still in shock he showed up at the Hall of Fame ceremony. Same with John: he would be nauseated by all this hoohah.

So I really want Christine McVie to emerge victorious. Imagine, if you will: CHRISTINE MCVIE . . . CONQUERS THE WORLD!!

~nightbird~

07-09-2005, 10:58 AM

Billy Burnette to go in round 8.

jwd

07-09-2005, 11:37 AM

Personally I think Stevie knocks the crap out of all FM members past and present. THE TRUE SURVIVOR. STEVIE FOR THE WIN! :blob2:

shackin'up

07-09-2005, 12:08 PM

All the better!
Overcoming adversity to be extremely successful is far more rewarding than having a cushy, "all the critics love me" free-ride. ;)

oh yeah, I forgot. Americans go for succes and money. Esp Chiffon Heads. So glad i've got a cultural background and can be VERY happy without doe and fame. Oh typical No-Depth American Chiffonheads. :p

No, I'd rather be a fatalist loser...WITH taste and culture in stead of Lightness and Cocktails for Brains.

HomerMcvie

07-09-2005, 01:01 PM

jbrownsjr

07-09-2005, 01:44 PM

are you people crazy???????????? how can you guys vote off LINDSEY and STEVIE first???????????

Homer's got me hip mo tized!

jbrownsjr

07-09-2005, 01:45 PM

not me, dear.

shackin up is all you wanna do! :rolleyes:

jbrownsjr

07-09-2005, 01:47 PM

I proclaim Sheryl Crow the winner.

GAME OVER.

for her great keyboard work

ok no

jbrownsjr

07-09-2005, 01:48 PM

Shhh. I agree. But we have to have some fun in the meantime.

you r on a roll!!! :blob2:

jbrownsjr

07-09-2005, 01:54 PM

Personally I think Stevie knocks the crap out of all FM members past and present. THE TRUE SURVIVOR. STEVIE FOR THE WIN! :blob2:

where's carne when u need him!!! :mad:

Johnny Stew

07-09-2005, 02:59 PM

oh yeah, I forgot. Americans go for succes and money. Esp Chiffon Heads. So glad i've got a cultural background and can be VERY happy without doe and fame. Oh typical No-Depth American Chiffonheads. :p

No, I'd rather be a fatalist loser...WITH taste and culture in stead of Lightness and Cocktails for Brains.Ah, but you automatically assumed that by "success," I was speaking of fame and fortune.
I feel touching the lives of massive audiences with a very unconventional voice, abstruse lyrics and only limited musical ability is a true success.

Anyone can appeal to the ears with bells, whistles and other technical wizardry... I'm more impressed by someone who can appeal to the heart. And the hearts of hundreds of thousands, at that.
That's what this cultured gentleman calls a "success"... music-theory elitists and self-appointed intelligentsia be damned. ;)

David

07-09-2005, 03:18 PM

Ah, but youI feel touching the lives of massive audiences with a very unconventional voice, abstruse lyrics and only limited musical ability is a true success.I've said it before & I'll say it again: Stevie plays piano better than Christine does.
Anyone can appeal to the ears with bells, whistles and other technical wizardry.No, actually anyone can't. A lot of people amass technique & facile tricks & then bombard you with them, but the resultant junk doesn't necessarily appeal to your eyes or any other part of your body.
I'm more impressed by someone who can appeal to the heart. And the hearts of hundreds of thousands, at that.Stew, it's okay to prefer "The Sound of Music" (remember Kael's description of moisture being "squeezed out of millions of eyes & ears"?) to "Citizen Kane." Don't apologize for it!

It's unfair & inaccurate of you to make the Fleetwood Mac situation a zero sum game: either you're emotionally moving millions of people or you're nothing but a technician. Sometimes you're doing both & sometimes you're doing neither. The greatest of artists join feats of technique with that emotional strength that you find in Jean Renoir ("The Rules of the Game," "A Day in the Country"). In such artists, form & content truly become insoluble.

Furthermore, some of the greatest "emotional" artists never became widely known, let alone loved, until decades after their death -- if at all.

Finally, as regards my "Sound of Mucus" ... er "Music" mention, it's always been true that much of what appeals to people's emotions can be superficial, tearjerky, mawkish, trite, banal, sentimental, etc. Moving thousands or even millions of people can't in & of itself be considered an aesthetic virtue. The work still has to stand by itself & be judged in at least somewhat formalistic terms.

By the way, I reject that "emotional" label for art because it sets up a false dichotomy. All great & even good art has emotional impact -- otherwise, it wouldn't last by resonating with generation upon generation. Even a highly cerebral, technically complex Bach fugue connects with listeners emotionally -- often in a way that is much more lasting & powerful than the more syrupy sounds of, say, a Michel Legrand theme.

jbrownsjr

07-09-2005, 03:38 PM

Stevie plays better piano

David come over and share that stuff you are smokin!!

I've heard Stevie play many time and I aint' buying it. She can kick out chords sure but c'mon.

GateandGarden

07-09-2005, 03:48 PM

Stevie plays better piano

David come over and share that stuff you are smokin!!

I've heard Stevie play many time and I aint' buying it. She can kick out chords sure but c'mon.He's baffling me too. :shrug:

dreamongypsydkm

07-09-2005, 03:51 PM

A member of Fleetwood Mac, past or present.

Immunity to Lindsey, the greatest contributor to FM regardless of the ignorance of masses and their attraction to chiffon, basic tunes and limited piano thumping skills.

I chose Lindsey too for reasons I mentioned at the time, but I still have to defend Stevie.
I highly doubt the people here are voting because they're attracted to chiffon. It's more than that. It's the person, the lyrics, and the melody. As it is with you and Lindsey. I've never bought into rivalry. I like The Who and Zeppelin. I like The Stones and The Beatles. I can appreciate both options (even though I obviously prefer Zep and Beatles to the others). Let's not turn this into insults.
You know how happy Lindsey makes you? There are a lot of people on this board who love Stevie in that same way. Like I love Bono. When someone says they hate him or U2 I get so mad and sad I could cry. What if someone had posted something this insulting about you as a Lindsey fan and about Lindsey? You'd be hurt and we both know it. I'm just saying don't just assume the Stevie fans only enjoy scarves and boots, cause it's about a lot more than that.

Johnny Stew

07-09-2005, 04:17 PM

No, actually anyone can't. A lot of people amass technique & facile tricks & then bombard you with them, but the resultant junk doesn't necessarily appeal to your eyes or any other part of your body.Grr. I should have said "many" people. :p
I was thinking in terms of "one hit wonders" and material like that. Stuff that appeals to a mass audience solely because it sounds good... gets you humming and your toes tapping. But ultimately fades from memory, because it didn't really speak to your soul.

Stew, it's okay to prefer "The Sound of Music" (remember Kael's description of moisture being "squeezed out of millions of eyes & ears"?) to "Citizen Kane." Don't apologize for it!You may be surprised to know (but, then again, maybe you wouldn't be surprised, David) that I love both 'Sound Of Music' and 'Citizen Kane.'

I'm not an "either/or" person. I find value in quite a number of seemingly opposing works of art.

It's unfair & inaccurate of you to make the Fleetwood Mac situation a zero sum game: either you're emotionally moving millions of people or you're nothing but a technician. Sometimes you're doing both & sometimes you're doing neither.It's a lame defense on my part, I admit.
From the Buckingham fans, one is always hearing how Nicks fans are merely mindless lemmings, taken with Stevie the way an infant might be with a shiny object. That she's all flash and no substance.
They come out firmly on the side of Stevie being an airhead's delight.

In terms of their solo work, I do think that Stevie's material was more popular/appealing, because it tends to be more visceral. Lindsey's technical proficiency may make him a critical darling, but I think his reliance on studio wizardy also alienated a lot of people who want to feel a kinship with the artist.
But of course music doesn't have to be one or the other. Certainly you can create something that's not only technically brilliant but emotionally resonant as well. And certainly you can create something that resonates with massive amounts of people without it being mere pablum.

That "Nicks fans aren't smart enough to appreciate Lindsey's art" claim is extremely elitist, far too simplistic, and completely misguided.
If I were a more articulate man, I'd be able to offer a more insightful counter argument -- I know I'd sure love to hear you debate the view that anyone who doesn't appreciate Buckingham's music must be a chowderhead!

Finally, as regards my "Sound of Mucus" ... er "Music" mention, it's always been true that much of what appeals to people's emotions can be superficial, tearjerky, mawkish, trite, banal, sentimental, etc. Moving thousands or even millions of people can't in & of itself be considered an aesthetic virtue.Certainly that's not true in every situation... otherwise, I shudder to think what all of those Top 20 hits imply about Christine's songwriting! ;)

GateandGarden

07-09-2005, 04:44 PM

I chose Lindsey too for reasons I mentioned at the time, but I still have to defend Stevie.
I highly doubt the people here are voting because they're attracted to chiffon. It's more than that. It's the person, the lyrics, and the melody. As it is with you and Lindsey. I've never bought into rivalry. I like The Who and Zeppelin. I like The Stones and The Beatles. I can appreciate both options (even though I obviously prefer Zep and Beatles to the others). Let's not turn this into insults.
You know how happy Lindsey makes you? There are a lot of people on this board who love Stevie in that same way. Like I love Bono. When someone says they hate him or U2 I get so mad and sad I could cry. What if someone had posted something this insulting about you as a Lindsey fan and about Lindsey? You'd be hurt and we both know it. I'm just saying don't just assume the Stevie fans only enjoy scarves and boots, cause it's about a lot more than that.Thanks for saying that. :) I think both Lindsey and Stevie have written some incredible lyrics. :nod: I don't know why Lux has to dismiss her as a songwriter. (Not to mention I don't really understand why Stevie and Lindsey have to be pitted against each other). I love Stevie for the voice and lyrics--the looks and clothes alone are definitely not enough to keep me coming back. In fact if it were just those, I wouldn't have really been a fan to begin with.

Serrart

07-09-2005, 05:07 PM

It's unfair & inaccurate of you to make the Fleetwood Mac situation a zero sum game: either you're emotionally moving millions of people or you're nothing but a technician. Sometimes you're doing both & sometimes you're doing neither. The greatest of artists join feats of technique with that emotional strength that you find in Jean Renoir ("The Rules of the Game," "A Day in the Country"). In such artists, form & content truly become insoluble.

What about Woody Allen?

Furthermore, some of the greatest "emotional" artists never became widely known, let alone loved, until decades after their death -- if at all.

The greatest emotional artists... you mean for you right?

Finally, as regards my "Sound of Mucus" ... er "Music" mention, it's always been true that much of what appeals to people's emotions can be superficial, tearjerky, mawkish, trite, banal, sentimental, etc. Moving thousands or even millions of people can't in & of itself be considered an aesthetic virtue. The work still has to stand by itself & be judged in at least somewhat formalistic terms.[/QUOTE]

That's what critics said of Douglas Sirk's movies.
Besides after TV invention (as Sirk remarked too in one of his best movies;)) aesthetic virtue of a work of art is a quite volatile and ductile subject.

Romy

Serrart

07-09-2005, 05:15 PM

I chose Lindsey too for reasons I mentioned at the time, but I still have to defend Stevie.
I highly doubt the people here are voting because they're attracted to chiffon. It's more than that. It's the person, the lyrics, and the melody. As it is with you and Lindsey. I've never bought into rivalry. I like The Who and Zeppelin. I like The Stones and The Beatles. I can appreciate both options (even though I obviously prefer Zep and Beatles to the others). Let's not turn this into insults.
You know how happy Lindsey makes you? There are a lot of people on this board who love Stevie in that same way. Like I love Bono. When someone says they hate him or U2 I get so mad and sad I could cry. What if someone had posted something this insulting about you as a Lindsey fan and about Lindsey? You'd be hurt and we both know it. I'm just saying don't just assume the Stevie fans only enjoy scarves and boots, cause it's about a lot more than that.

Thanks for your post :thumbsup: . Even if I think Lux was half (only half) kidding.

Romy

Edit: I've just read Lux's post. Glad she said so.

shackin'up

07-09-2005, 05:17 PM

Ah, but you automatically assumed that by "success," I was speaking of fame and fortune.
I feel touching the lives of massive audiences with a very unconventional voice, abstruse lyrics and only limited musical ability is a true success.

Anyone can appeal to the ears with bells, whistles and other technical wizardry... I'm more impressed by someone who can appeal to the heart. And the hearts of hundreds of thousands, at that.
That's what this cultured gentleman calls a "success"... music-theory elitists and self-appointed intelligentsia be damned. ;)

Well. I'm sorry dude. I've never read such a bunch of crap in my life. Success is not to be explained. You meant " success" And Lindsey's lack of it. I wish you all the best in your own world. But I know better. And if you don't hear "heart" in go insane, for instance, (bells whistles and other technical wizardry" you simple haven't listened to all those voicetracks he built up and sang from his guts. I'm sorry but Stevie did not do a vocal performance last tour like Lindsey did during "Come" or " SaY goodbye" or "NGBA". Only Beautiful Child came equally close.

dreamongypsydkm

07-09-2005, 05:24 PM

No need to get huffy. I was kidding, I thought my response to the trivia question made that pretty obvious.

No, I know that. But I dunno, I guess I was feeling compassonate. If anyone said such things about my Bono I'd cry, even if only meant in jest.

GODDESS6

07-09-2005, 05:37 PM

dreamongypsydkm

07-09-2005, 05:38 PM

Compassion? Don't be absurd. Kick 'em in the crotch and take 'em down. Just look at it from the perspective that Lindsey's suffered enough getting tangled in the chiffon. It's up to us, the Greenpeace of the scenario to come and set him free to achieve his potential. I still feel high.

Clearly. You're equating voting for Lindsey and Greenpeace.

I thought you liked that Lindsey wasn't mainstream. It makes him special.
If he loses to Stevie - f uck the chiffonheads even more, right?
I don't want him to win anymore. He's far too serious an artist to be arsed with these kinds of games.

Serrart

07-09-2005, 05:39 PM

GateandGarden

07-09-2005, 05:52 PM

I thought you liked that Lindsey wasn't mainstream. It makes him special.Yeah. :nod: I think that's part of what makes Christine special, too.

Anyway, am I the only one who thinks it would be cool if Peter Green won not just because he is the founder of the band but also because he'd be pissed about it? :shrug: :D

GODDESS6

07-09-2005, 05:52 PM

trackaghost

07-09-2005, 06:14 PM

Yeah. :nod: I think that's part of what makes Christine special, too.

Anyway, am I the only one who thinks it would be cool if Peter Green won not just because he is the founder of the band but also because he'd be pissed about it? :shrug: :D

I actually think both Lindsey and Christine are incredibly mainstream. And that's not a criticism. Have you read that book that came out last year about the making of Rumours by Cath Carroll? It details how many different things came together to help make it, at that time, the biggest selling album of all time. It didn't simply sell because it's a great record, although that obviously helped. It sold because all the other factors fell into place, helping it break big.

I'm pretty sure a lot of similar factors helped Stevie become a solo superstar while Lindsey didn't, but it easily could have been the other way round. There's not one Lindsey solo album, that doesn't contain a pure pop song that could have, if the circumstances been right, been a number one single. And Christine has never been shy of embracing her love of pop music either.

And secondly, I totally agree with you about Peter!

GateandGarden

07-09-2005, 06:21 PM

I actually think both Lindsey and Christine are incredibly mainstream. And that's not a criticism. Have you read that book that came out last year about the making of Rumours by Cath Carroll? It details how many different things came together to help make it, at that time, the biggest selling album of all time. It didn't simply sell because it's a great record, although that obviously helped. It sold because all the other factors fell into place, helping it break big.

I'm pretty sure a lot of similar factors helped Stevie become a solo superstar while Lindsey didn't, but it easily could have been the other way round. There's not one Lindsey solo album, that doesn't contain a pure pop song that could have, if the circumstances been right, been a number one single. And Christine has never been shy of embracing her love of pop music either.

And secondly, I totally agree with you about Peter!I haven't read the book but I have to agree with everything you've said there. Both of them could have enjoyed commerical success just as much as Stevie, IMO. But I think there's something attractive about the fact that they didn't. Part of it is this desire that I have (perhaps others as well) to be able to say, "Well, one of my faves in the band is so and so," and have someone say "Who the heck is that? The only one I know is Stevie." Eh, I'm being silly.

jwd

07-09-2005, 06:23 PM

If he loses to Stevie - f uck the chiffonheads even more, right?
I don't want him to win anymore. He's far too serious an artist to be arsed with these kinds of games.

Yea. We'll accept your concession. And when Stevie wins this "stupid" game ;) , we'll let her know she won by throwing a note attached to a unicorn beanie baby up on stage while she's rocking the house on one of her upcoming shows on The Gold Dust Tour. I'm sure she'd love to know. :lol:

Moony

07-09-2005, 06:24 PM

I haven't read the book but I have to agree with everything you've said there. Both of them could have enjoyed commerical success just as much as Stevie, IMO. But I think there's something attractive about the fact that they didn't. Part of it is this desire that I have (perhaps others as well) to be able to say, "Well, one of my faves in the band is so and so," and have someone say "Who the heck is that? The only one I know is Stevie." Eh, I'm being silly.

I don't think Christine could've become as commerically succesful as Stevie.

She's boring.

:woohoo: don'thurtmehillary

GateandGarden

07-09-2005, 06:25 PM

I don't think Christine could've become as commerically succesful as Stevie.

She's boring.

:woohoo: don'thurtmehillary:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

:) :xoxo:

You see, I don't have to hurt you because Homie will for that comment. :D

Nico

07-09-2005, 06:26 PM

You're talking of the man who made Stevie wear the cardigan for all the SYW tour.... :D

Romy

Is that really true?

I admit I haven't been into this game (mainly because I don't know all the members of FM past that well and I've also found it to be a little cruel), but I saw this and had to ask. I hope Lindsey isn't actually telling Stevie how to dress. That's just bizarre beyond words.

Moony

07-09-2005, 06:28 PM

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

:) :xoxo:

You see, I don't have to hurt you because Homie will for that comment. :D

heh, I kid, I kid (ala Triumph). :xoxo:

CreepingDeath

07-09-2005, 06:29 PM

When is this damn round going to end?

Moony

07-09-2005, 06:29 PM

I love Stevie. I also have a gun to my head.
whatever are you talking about?

:p

Moony

07-09-2005, 06:30 PM

When is this damn round going to end?
haha, great avatar! Stewie!!! :thumbsup:

yeah, when is this going to progress to the next round? it's been days now, hasn't it?

trackaghost

07-09-2005, 06:31 PM

I haven't read the book but I have to agree with everything you've said there. Both of them could have enjoyed commerical success just as much as Stevie, IMO. But I think there's something attractive about the fact that they didn't. Part of it is this desire that I have (perhaps others as well) to be able to say, "Well, one of my faves in the band is so and so," and have someone say "Who the heck is that? The only one I know is Stevie." Eh, I'm being silly.

No, I know exactly what you mean. I've definitely enjoyed liking more obscure artists, simply because no one knew who they were. I think you feel like they belong to you more - does that sound weird? I guess when everyone likes them there's more people to share them with! Or you feel like you have a cool little secret :nod:

trackaghost

07-09-2005, 06:40 PM

I don't think Christine could've become as commerically succesful as Stevie.

She's boring.

Even though I know you're kidding, I think Christine could have, in the 70s at least. Other than her music, she definitely had an attitude and style that is very rock star sexy. I would have loved to have read one of those romantic Rolling Stones articles focused on Christine from the 70s - I can just imagine it, Chris with cigarette in one hand, bottle of wine in another, as tipsy as she is witty. But I don't think Christine ever cared enough to push that, I think she was happy enough standing behind the keyboards letting the other members bask in the limelight myself.

dreamongypsydkm

07-09-2005, 06:43 PM

Yea. We'll accept your concession. And when Stevie wins this "stupid" game ;) , we'll let her know she won by throwing a note attached to a unicorn beanie baby up on stage while she's rocking the house on one of her upcoming shows on The Gold Dust Tour. I'm sure she'd love to know. :lol:

A tour of which I've purchased tickets to 2 shows for. See, I'm a fan. I was just continuing on a running joke. Many apologies if it went over your head.
Unless of course, you're carrying it on as well. To which I would say "Kudos" for keeping it alive.

Moony

07-09-2005, 06:47 PM

But I don't think Christine ever cared enough to push that, I think she was happy enough standing behind the keyboards letting the other members bask in the limelight myself.
Yep. I agree with you :)

Serrart

07-09-2005, 06:50 PM

I actually think both Lindsey and Christine are incredibly mainstream. And that's not a criticism. Have you read that book that came out last year about the making of Rumours by Cath Carroll? It details how many different things came together to help make it, at that time, the biggest selling album of all time. It didn't simply sell because it's a great record, although that obviously helped. It sold because all the other factors fell into place, helping it break big.

I'm pretty sure a lot of similar factors helped Stevie become a solo superstar while Lindsey didn't, but it easily could have been the other way round. There's not one Lindsey solo album, that doesn't contain a pure pop song that could have, if the circumstances been right, been a number one single. And Christine has never been shy of embracing her love of pop music either.

And secondly, I totally agree with you about Peter!

I think Lindsey is many things at the same time as a solo artist but nothing too convincingly. Then there are some songs or, more often, parts of songs that reflect a great talent probably not always correctly driven. Christine's albums sound mainstream to me in the music but I love her lyrics that many times have inside an unexpected ironic or self-ironic, touching, straight look on life and feelings.

About Peter Green, he would be my second choice after John McVie. :cool: He deserves a medal for resisting all these years with all those divas. :nod:

Romy

Johnny Stew

07-09-2005, 07:15 PM

A tour of which I've purchased tickets to 2 shows for. See, I'm a fan. I was just continuing on a running joke. Many apologies if it went over your head.
Unless of course, you're carrying it on as well. To which I would say "Kudos" for keeping it alive.I do believe Joe was doing the same. ;)
He's not exactly the "unicorn beanie baby" type.

Moony

07-09-2005, 07:25 PM

I do believe Joe was doing the same. ;)
He's not exactly the "unicorn beanie baby" type.
Who is? No one, I hope.

Johnny Stew

07-09-2005, 07:31 PM

Well. I'm sorry dude. I've never read such a bunch of crap in my life. Success is not to be explained. You meant " success" And Lindsey's lack of it. I wish you all the best in your own world. But I know better. And if you don't hear "heart" in go insane, for instance, (bells whistles and other technical wizardry" you simple haven't listened to all those voicetracks he built up and sang from his guts. I'm sorry but Stevie did not do a vocal performance last tour like Lindsey did during "Come" or " SaY goodbye" or "NGBA". Only Beautiful Child came equally close.Completely exasperating, isn't it, when people write off your favorite artist with just a few pithy sentences?
Of course Lindsey's music has heart... otherwise I, the over-passionate Italian with his heart ever on his sleeve, wouldn't be a fan.

Personally, I think 'Go Insane' is a masterpiece... but I can also understand exactly why it didn't knock a million people's socks off (and I don't think it has anything to do with that "people aren't bright enough to 'get it'" baloney). Just the same as I can see exactly why Stevie has as many detractors (if not more) as she has fans.

But as long as Buckingham fans keep ridiculing Nicks fans, I'm going to keep piping up.

I'm sorry but Stevie did not do a vocal performance last tour like Lindsey did during "Come" or " SaY goodbye" or "NGBA". Only Beautiful Child came equally close."Gypsy," "Gold Dust Woman," "Sara," "Stand Back" and "Goodbye Baby" rivaled those performances, IMO. :nod:

jwd

07-09-2005, 07:31 PM

A tour of which I've purchased tickets to 2 shows for. See, I'm a fan.

Good for you. You'll love the concerts. Stevie is on fire. She may even become your favorite. I'm considering going to a second show this tour myself. IT WAS THAT GOOD! :cool:

Unless of course, you're carrying it on as well. To which I would say "Kudos" for keeping it alive.

Of course. And thank you.

He's not exactly the "unicorn beanie baby" type.

I've been known to do stranger things. :lol: :angel:

Serrart

07-09-2005, 07:59 PM

Is that really true?

I admit I haven't been into this game (mainly because I don't know all the members of FM past that well and I've also found it to be a little cruel), but I saw this and had to ask. I hope Lindsey isn't actually telling Stevie how to dress. That's just bizarre beyond words.

No I was just kidding. Stevie said (If I recall correctly) during the recent interview with Jim Ladd that Lindsey asked her to dress more casual (on Stevie standards) during SYW tour. I think it was just an advice from a friend to another, as it happens every day to us, even if IMO she decided for her own reasons, to be more subtle touring with FM.

Romy

Nico

07-09-2005, 08:50 PM

No I was just kidding. Stevie said (If I recall correctly) during the recent interview with Jim Ladd that Lindsey asked her to dress more casual (on Stevie standards) during SYW tour. I think it was just an advice from a friend to another, as it happens every day to us, even if IMO she decided for her own reasons, to be more subtle touring with FM.

Romy

MmmK. That's cool. :) It's not like he was telling her specific things to wear, just looking out for her. Perhaps he is a little conservative/protective, though he does unbutton his shirts rather low- but, hey, a man gets hot.

SteveMacD

07-11-2005, 11:04 AM

If I left my job and they hired two people to do what I did, I'd go around gloating about it too. LOL
Thank God Bob Welch was a bit kinder. ;)

David

07-11-2005, 11:30 AM

Thank God Bob Welch was a bit kinder. ;)All this silly stuff about having to hire two guys to replace one guy is just . . . silly. It's not even true. They hired ONE guy to replace Buckingham: Rick. Rick was the ONLY guy who played lead guitar in the band during his tenure. Billy NEVER played lead guitar in Fleetwood Mac -- EXCEPT during "Landslide." And that was probably just a novelty idea, something that he & Stevie wanted to try.

The REAL problem with whom the band hired after Lindsey left was that they didn't hire ANYONE to replace Buckingham in the engineering/production department. So the band suffered for that, relying on a guy, Greg, who had a reputation & a CV, certainly, but no real brilliance & no vision. The sad result was that he botched the new tunes on the '88 album & botched the entire '90 album.

Fleetwood Mac should have replaced Lindsey with Daniel Lanois Thomas Dolby or someone with studio genius.