Too all you flaming liberals

[ryan8472]

You want me to try massaging your husband's feet once in a while? No thanks.

And I don't want to cook, clean or have sex with him either...but hey - thanks for the offer, really.
Like I said, Martinis and blowjobs. Just what God intended. :rolleyes: :laugh:

[macfanken]

no not sex, although yes we have sex of course..but i was referring to the chores of the house..cooking, cleaning, i love my husband, i massage his feet after a long days' work..things you should try once in awhile


Well, I hope you're tickling your hubby's pickle. I know it's dirty and disgusting but it's something you must do if you want to protect the sanctity of your marriage. I recommend closing your eyes and taking a xanax to make it a bit easier.

[rose.gypsy]

Yeah, you're right--I should try that, too. Oh wait I don't have a husband because I'm gay! Oh yeah! :laugh: Such a shame. I really wanted to be subservient and docile. :shrug: Oh well.
look , if you didnt look like you do maybe you wouldnt have to be gay..."

[ryan8472]

Don't forget about Chic.

http://www.bostonphoenix.com/alt1/archive/tv/image/TRACY_ULMAN.gif
:lol: :eek:

[Johnny Stew]

i'm sorry about your husband. Its not your fault...its the democrats who came up with SS. People do get second jobs though!A second job? What time would that leave her to practice those "Family Values" your cronies are always on about?

"Never have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."

[GateandGarden]

look , if you didnt look like you do maybe you wouldnt have to be gay..."Oh? So what is it that I do, since you seem to know me so well? :wavey:

[sara1998]

look , if you didnt look like you do maybe you wouldnt have to be gay..."

You're not being very Christlike..... You're supposed to spread the word, not put people down because they're not like you. Is this what they teach you in your church?

Reply to that.

[dissention]

:lol: :eek:

Or Miss Ruby Romaine!

http://www.getscript.com/tullman/ruby_int1.jpg

Please don't make me bust out photos of Miss Noh Nang Ning.

[sara1998]

A second job? What time would that leave her to practice those "Family Values" your cronies are always on about?

"Never have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."

Hi honey! Haven't seen you around for a while.

[ryan8472]

I think we might have temporarily killed The Ledge for a moment. :eek: :lol:

WTF was that? :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

i'm sorry about your husband. Its not your fault...its the democrats who came up with SS. People do get second jobs though!


You can **** with anyone you want but her you piece of &*&^ - her husband killed himself and how dare you even comment on him!

[gldstwmn]

Look liberals...all you all do here is whine, bitch and complain. Go out and get jobs, I know something liberals don't do very well--especially the minorities (who complain worst than the best of them) . This board is full of liberal whining. I'm a republican, YEP, proud of it. What's wrong with you guys? Of course tax breaks should go to the rich, they WORKED for their money. Social Security is for the lazy. Gays getting married? Don't even get me started. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve ok?

I'm really interested to know where some of you Democrats get off thinking you should be allowed to burn the flag, what's wrong with you all? Have you no respect for this great land? Guess what people, Saddam Hussein bombed the world trade centers on 9/11/01 and now you want him free...I know , no-one will respond, because you dont know what to say to someone who actually stands up to you tree huggers.

:] :] :] :] :] :]

[gldstwmn]

Look don't be mad because I worked for my money, and you liberals didn't.

I've worked for all of my money. Care to provide proof that Saddam bombed the WTC on 9/11?

[gldstwmn]

is that how you guys avoid good constructive debate, by writing someone off as a troll just because they dont agree with your radical left philosophies?

Heh. Bring it on. :)
It's not a good constructive debate without facts. You don't have any.
By the way, the first word in your title is spelled "To". :woohoo:

[Johnny Stew]

Hi honey! Haven't seen you around for a while.Hi sweetie! It's been too long. :xoxo:

Sorry about the troll.

[sara1998]

You can **** with anyone you want but her you piece of &*&^ - her husband killed himself and how dare you even comment on him!

Bless your heart....

[trackaghost]

I think you're being sarcastic, but I assure you I am not. I am very passionate about the gays.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

This thread is hilarious. Hehe, "I am very passionate about the gays".

[GODDESS6]

hey baby :xoxo:

i knew you liberals were scared of a good republican with some common sense
who said you had common sense :shrug: ~ no troll feeding here, you have been dissmissed!!!!~

[GODDESS6]

:lol: :laugh: :lol: A "good republican with some common sense" is as rare as vagina at the Neverland ranch.

[Mari]

You're not Jimmy K, the Arizona Stranger, are you? :laugh:

Now if you'll excuse me I have a gay, pot-smoking, flag burning, vegan, hippie orgy to get to. :wavey:

Damn, I wish I'd been here last night, I would've joined you :laugh: :laugh:

didn't read the entire thread.. but so far it seems this person never said he was or wasn't jimmy, eh? very suspicious... :D

[GODDESS6]

Bless your heart....
no doubt strandie, may i call you strandie? :wavey: attacks on here is 1 thing but attacking sara1998 over sucha heartbreaking tragedy is uncalled for!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: ~

[mylittledemon]

A "good republican with some common sense" is as rare as vagina at the Neverland ranch.


BWA HAHAHA!

[Mari]

ah.. now's the right time to use www.insultmonger.com 's AutoFlameGenerator:D

Dear rose.gypsy:

Just when I think I've read the stupidest post ever, you go and post another. I suggest you hone your writing skills before applying borrowed glories as a mere typist.

Thanks for your contribution, but if I had wanted to hear from somebody with your IQ, I'd be at my local supermarket talking to the vegetables. It's truly amazing the way you never let an idea interrupt the flow of your typing, but then, making sense isn't your area of expertise, is it? If you knew what you're talking about, you'd be dangerous. As Abba Eban so aptly said: "His ignorance is encyclopedic."

If those posts wer intended as a joke, you forgot to include the punch line. I bet you thought it was just coincidence that your parents had the same surnames before they married? Maybe you wouldn't come across as such a jellyfish-sucking mental midget if you weren't afflicted with mental retardation; if your weren't so fat that you look like The Michelin Man man on steroids, or if your face wasn't the strongest form of natural contraception available. Who am I kidding? You would.

In closing, why don't you put your glasses on backwards and walk into yourself?

[GODDESS6]

ah.. now's the right time to use www.insultmonger.com 's AutoFlameGenerator:D

Dear rose.gypsy:

Just when I think I've read the stupidest post ever, you go and post another. I suggest you hone your writing skills before applying borrowed glories as a mere typist.

Thanks for your contribution, but if I had wanted to hear from somebody with your IQ, I'd be at my local supermarket talking to the vegetables. It's truly amazing the way you never let an idea interrupt the flow of your typing, but then, making sense isn't your area of expertise, is it? If you knew what you're talking about, you'd be dangerous. As Abba Eban so aptly said: "His ignorance is encyclopedic."

If those posts wer intended as a joke, you forgot to include the punch line. I bet you thought it was just coincidence that your parents had the same surnames before they married? Maybe you wouldn't come across as such a jellyfish-sucking mental midget if you weren't afflicted with mental retardation; if your weren't so fat that you look like The Michelin Man man on steroids, or if your face wasn't the strongest form of natural contraception available. Who am I kidding? You would.

In closing, why don't you put your glasses on backwards and walk into yourself?
omg, this is the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~ :thumbsup:

[jannieC]

I think it's safe to assume that rose.gypsy is a 13 year old boy with a sad little life.

[trackaghost]

:lol:

Shakespearean insults!!
(He's a very famous playwright - just explaining for rose.gypsy).

I will chastise this high minded strumpet.

More of your conversation would infect my brain.

I abhor this dilatory sloth.

You are the must chaff, and you are smelt above the moon.

[irishgrl]

I always say: If I've annoyed at least ONE Republican, then MY JOB IS DONE!

and:

I take great joy in knowing MY VOTE CANCELLED YOURS!


todays special: THE BRONX CHEER. assume the position. (where's my POINTY SHOES?)

[GateandGarden]

I was having so much fun with this last night and then I couldn't get onto the board suddenly. Well, looks like the party ended, anyway.

[ryan8472]

I was having so much fun with this last night and then I couldn't get onto the board suddenly. Well, looks like the party ended, anyway.
These threads are a ball. Thanks everyone for making last night hilarious :wavey: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[GateandGarden]

These threads are a ball. Thanks everyone for making last night hilarious :wavey: :lol: :lol: :lol:Yes, thanks to everyone--Ryan, Josh, Maria, Krista, Deanna, all the other Ledgies who participated, and of course, the star, rose.gypsy. Great show guys. Looking forward to the next episode. :laugh:

[ryan8472]

Yes, thanks to everyone--Ryan, Josh, Maria, Krista, Deanna, all the other Ledgies who participated, and of course, the star, rose.gypsy. Great show guys. Looking forward to the next episode. :laugh:

I'm all for another round as long as we don't kill the Ledge again. :nod: :lol:

[sara1998]

Yes, thanks to everyone--Ryan, Josh, Maria, Krista, Deanna, all the other Ledgies who participated, and of course, the star, rose.gypsy. Great show guys. Looking forward to the next episode. :laugh:

My pleasure, indeed! :]

[sara1998]

I'm all for another round as long as we don't kill the Ledge again. :nod: :lol:
I was bummed when we killed it. We were on a roll!!!!

[DrummerDeanna]

I was wondering what happened - I thought it was just my old computer being dumb - then I got kicked off the internet alltoghether :o


Anyway - I had fun last night too...lets do it again sometime! :]

[SteveMacD]

Nope, dear, I'm very happy I don't.
Please, you live in Calgary, Alberta for heaven's sake! That's ALMOST like living in the U.S. BTW...

HAPPY CANADA DAY!!!

Now take off, hoser.

[gldstwmn]

I didn't get to see any Star Wars. But I did see the new Batman. It's pretty awesome. We went to the drive in Saturday night, so we also watched The Longest Yard. It was ok. Adam Sandler is funny sometimes, but most of the time, he's just annoying....

He makes me feel the same way. :lol:

[gldstwmn]

i'm a female. yes I listen to Stevie. although I'm somewhat upset by the fact that she does witchcraft. witchcraft also is evil.


however if you must know lindsey is the master of mac.

Did you know that Lindsey gives his time and money to the ACLU and Planned Parenthood?

[gldstwmn]

That would explain his monetary and musical contributions to Planned Parenthood, GLAAD, and the ACLU, right? :laugh:


Oops, I forgot about GLAAD. :sorry:

[GateandGarden]

Did you know that Lindsey gives his time and money to the ACLU and Planned Parenthood?Diss and I had you covered there earlier. This is my question, though. Do you (not just you, anyone who's reading) think that this is a regular poster under another username for fun? Especially since in Amber birthday thread, she said that Amber has never shown her any respect? :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

well that does it...i guess i can only appreciate John Mcvie truly now..hes the republican...you would think lindsey and stevie would be republicans, they better be if they want to save their money, because you know the greedy liberals will be out to get it in no time

Maybe you could ask John to go to church with you?

[SuzeQuze]

Look don't be mad because I worked for my money, and you liberals didn't.

Take your Coulter kissing ass straight to hell because we work very hard!

[gldstwmn]

Nope. Not my laziness. My daughter. But, I guess right wingers would support child slave labor in favor for big business, huh?

They already do darlin'. It's called WalMart.

[gldstwmn]

look shangriladeeda, ive seen your lousy website, instead of sitting on your computer all day typing out stevie facts and making them pretty, get a job

You seem to have a lot of time on your hands. Do you "work"?

[gldstwmn]

i actually work for my church, im the church secretary
so no i dont work at night

Why do I have this picture of Dana Carvey in my head? :confused:

[gldstwmn]

Lazy ass. That's all you do??? Get another job. You gotta support me and my kid, remember?

Slaps desk. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[wondergirl9847]

First of all anyone who is in a musical , is DEFINETELY a flaming liberal

ROTFLMAO!!

Dang, I missed a great show last night.

[gldstwmn]

Diss and I had you covered there earlier. This is my question, though. Do you (not just you, anyone who's reading) think that this is a regular poster under another username for fun? Especially since in Amber birthday thread, she said that Amber has never shown her any respect? :shrug:


Could be Hillary. People go off their meds, the moon is full, whatever... Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Did I get that right?

[ShangriLaTroubl]

It seems like a joke. They almost appear to be liberal, their insults are joke insults and sarcastic remarks that liberals use to call themselves. Saying that women belong in the kitchen just randomly for the sake of it, it's too much of a stir. I didn't read in any detail but they could actually be a liberal or atleast just someone playing a joke, which is essentially what trolls are whether they're dual posters or newbies.

Lux you would be surprised at how real this persons' comments actually seem. They sound like a joke, but I think that every day when I hear people around here carrying on conversations..THIS MUST BE A JOKE RIGHT? lol Come live in Georgia for a year, and the things this person says would be very familiar..I assure you!

[dissention]

It seems like a joke. They almost appear to be liberal, their insults are joke insults and sarcastic remarks that liberals use to call themselves. Saying that women belong in the kitchen just randomly for the sake of it, it's too much of a stir. I didn't read in any detail but they could actually be a liberal or atleast just someone playing a joke, which is essentially what trolls are whether they're dual posters or newbies.

I think it's all bull****, myself. Her comments were so over the top that it's obvious she was just saying them in an attempt to get people riled up.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Ack! I find it hard to believe but I believe you all the same. I've heard of conservative ignorance but this kind of extreme combined with preaching would be admitted to an asylum here.

And it should be asylum worthy anywhere....Although I think in the South there are different standards than most civilized places of the USA or even the world. It's every day usually I see a big huge pickup truck with the civil war battle flag "the rebel flag" waving in the wind from behind, hoping in some way they can make a black person mad.
It's amazing the bigotry and ignorance that actually still exists. I'm actually a member of a southern baptist church, since I was young, although I do not attend anymore--some of this persons' comments sound familiar to me to the chit chat at the "dinner on the grounds" we used to have after church on Sundays

Chris

[GateandGarden]

I think you all have a point. Someone could be pulling our legs and it's also very possible that this is totally genuine. I prefer the former. This world doesn't need more of the latter.

[catinthedark]

OH! Did I ever miss a good time last night! :laugh: I was on page 3 when the hackers crashed the party. I was already putting myself into restraints to keep from feeding the troll... For a while there, she was exhibiting some truly High Priestess-like qualities. Anything HERE ring a BELL? I am the ALL KNOWING. You are SCUM! Go back to YOUR end of the POOL!! You are IN over your HEAD!!

She seems to have left us. Pity. I guess hubby wasn't home last night performing his husbandly duties. Missy seemed to have a lot of extra time on her hands... :shocked:

[GateandGarden]

She seems to have left us. Pity. I guess hubby wasn't home last night performing his husbandly duties. Missy seemed to have a lot of extra time on her hands... :shocked::lol::lol:

[strandinthewind]

And it should be asylum worthy anywhere....Although I think in the South there are different standards than most civilized places of the USA or even the world. . . .

I respectfully disagree - Large cities like New York are amongst the most racist places I have ever seen. They are also extremely class conscious, etc. So, I think it is just people in general, which is more frightening to me.

[DrummerDeanna]

I respectfully disagree - Large cities like New York are amongst the most racist places I have ever seen. They are also extremely class conscious, etc. So, I think it is just people in general, which is more frightening to me.


:nod: OMG - classism is alive and well in every place I've ever lived :nod:

[mylittledemon]

I respectfully disagree - Large cities like New York are amongst the most racist places I have ever seen. They are also extremely class conscious, etc. So, I think it is just people in general, which is more frightening to me.

I am agreeing with Strand...there are a few bad apples everywhere and in the South there is a notion that most people are prejudice. I was born in Florida, and I lived in Texas, Tennessee, Georgia, North Carolina, Louisiana and Mississippi. All of these are VERY steeped-in-tradition southern states. And yet...I can think of a time when my family could have been blatantly prejudice. I dated a beautiful African American girl in high school and we were the only interacial couple at my prom. My parents were totally cool with it...and I dont remember ANYONE making a big deal out of it.

[strandinthewind]

:nod: OMG - classism is alive and well in every place I've ever lived :nod:


and, we all do it whether we want to admit it or not. I mean when was the last time any of us hung out with people or a social sect we did not like :shrug: I think it is human nature and though I wish it would end, I still want the right to do it as we all do in one way or another.

[strandinthewind]

I am agreeing with Strand...there are a few bad apples everywhere and in the South there is a notion that most people are prejudice. I was born in Florida, and I lived in Texas, Tennessee, Georgia, North Carolina, Louisiana and Mississippi. All of these are VERY steeped-in-tradition southern states. And yet...I can think of a time when my family could have been blatantly prejudice. I dated a beautiful African American girl in high school and we were the only interacial couple at my prom. My parents were totally cool with it...and I dont remember ANYONE making a big deal out of it.


I've always thought that perhaps the bad apples are more apparent in the SOuth because there is a stereotype that if you are from the South, you are not as intelligent as the West Coast or the Northeast. Also, in places like New York, there are so many people in such little space that it gives the appearance of a hand holding pseudo homogeneous society - it is far from that.

[DrummerDeanna]

and, we all do it whether we want to admit it or not. I mean when was the last time any of us hung out with people or a social sect we did not like :shrug: I think it is human nature and though I wish it would end, I still want the right to do it as we all do in one way or another.


I am so completely guilty of it and I know that - I also think a lot of people are - I mean if you have the means you're not going to live in some inner-city ghetto ya know?

I know it's alive and well - because everyone is a part of it :nod:

[strandinthewind]

I am so completely guilty of it and I know that - I also think a lot of people are - I mean if you have the means you're not going to live in some inner-city ghetto ya know?

I know it's alive and well - because everyone is a part of it :nod:


Interestingly, it existed even in the Communistic states of the USSR and China. I mean someone was living in those palaces while others were living 10 to a room. In the end, I guess I think it is not a de facto bad thing, but some can take it to a bad place.

[JazmenFlowers]

you must not read the good book much...if you did you would have real moral values. My preacher actually tells us that AIDS is God's punishment to gays, who are sinners...just like God wiped out that whole village when he felt they were tainted, this is no different..the gays will be wiped out eventually.. it all goes in cycles.

the same preacher that is f*ing half the congregation and getting drunk saturday night

[JazmenFlowers]

Lux you would be surprised at how real this persons' comments actually seem. They sound like a joke, but I think that every day when I hear people around here carrying on conversations..THIS MUST BE A JOKE RIGHT? lol Come live in Georgia for a year, and the things this person says would be very familiar..I assure you!

amen - I'm in the heart of Mississippi and it's scary how frequently I have these same conversations

[GateandGarden]

I respectfully disagree - Large cities like New York are amongst the most racist places I have ever seen. They are also extremely class conscious, etc. So, I think it is just people in general, which is more frightening to me.I figured that the classism was alive and well in a place like New York, but the racism is, too? I guess I just assumed that wasn't alive there. But is it inevitably linked to the classim, y'all think? :shrug:

[jannieC]

Diss and I had you covered there earlier. This is my question, though. Do you (not just you, anyone who's reading) think that this is a regular poster under another username for fun? Especially since in Amber birthday thread, she said that Amber has never shown her any respect? :shrug:


I've been reading in this forum for at least a year, only posting for a couple of months. Anyway, my point is, I have a hard time keeping up with who is who. Specifically, who is male and who is female. gypsy.rose (or rose.gypsy, whatever) seemed to know a lot about the people she/he was insulting. :shrug:

[dissention]

I figured that the classism was alive and well in a place like New York, but the racism is, too? I guess I just assumed that wasn't alive there. But is it inevitably linked to the classim, y'all think? :shrug:


Depends which parts of New York. Boston used to have problems with racism (especially in the late eighties after a man killed his wife and blamed it on a mysterious black man), but not nowadays. Seattle used to be overrun by neo-Nazis, too. :laugh:

[sara1998]

Why do I have this picture of Dana Carvey in my head? :confused:

Well, isn't that special??? :D

[GateandGarden]

I've been reading in this forum for at least a year, only posting for a couple of months. Anyway, my point is, I have a hard time keeping up with who is who. Specifically, who is male and who is female. gypsy.rose (or rose.gypsy, whatever) seemed to know a lot about the people she/he was insulting. :shrug:Yeah, that's what I was thinking. That made me think it was someone we all know who's playing a game with us. Then again I guess it could have been someone who has been lurking a lot. :shrug:

[jannieC]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. That made me think it was someone we all know who's playing a game with us. Then again I guess it could have been someone who has been lurking a lot. :shrug:


If it was someone playing a joke, it got pretty mean and nasty. Let's hope it was a lurker.

[strandinthewind]

Depends which parts of New York. Boston used to have problems with racism (especially in the late eighties after a man killed his wife and blamed it on a mysterious black man), but not nowadays. Seattle used to be overrun by neo-Nazis, too. :laugh:


But it depends everywhere doesn't it :shrug: I mean many of the black people in Harlem HATE white people to the point of that being racism. Also, the Jews and the blacks in Brooklyn HATE each other for the most part as evidenced by the hate crimes awhile back. Thus, my experience with the world is racsim and classism exist everywhere despite the South of the U.S. getting pegged for it more than others.

[GateandGarden]

If it was someone playing a joke, it got pretty mean and nasty. Let's hope it was a lurker.Yeah. Making ludicrous comments about politics is funny, but I don't think it was amusing how the person insulted Maria and others. It reminds me of what High Priestess said to Amber and Jill.

[sara1998]

Yeah. Making ludicrous comments about politics is funny, but I don't think it was amusing how the person insulted Maria and others. It reminds me of what High Priestess said to Amber and Jill.

I'm not insulted, so I hope you all don't let it get to you, either. This person is obviously ignorant. If what happened to my hubby happened to her hubby, she would be singing a different tune.

Ignorance is bliss......

[GateandGarden]

I'm not insulted, so I hope you all don't let it get to you, either. This person is obviously ignorant. If what happened to my hubby happened to her hubby, she would be singing a different tune.

Ignorance is bliss......Yeah, I figured that you were too strong to let those comments get to you, so I didn't think you were upset, but it was still totally unjustified and an awful for that person to say.

[mylittledemon]

the same preacher that is f*ing half the congregation and getting drunk saturday night

I would say the more APPROPRIATE thing to say would be that AIDS is a consequence of living a sexually loose lifestyle. And yes Jazmen, in my case, that preacher was screwing my mother. Who in turn divorced his wife of 20+ years to marry my mother. Who also in turn, divorced my father of 20 years to marry this preacher man. F*cked up huh? True story. Wouldn't believe it if I hadn't lived it.

Oh and Jazmen, I love that pic of Stevie in your signature. She looks positively bone-able.

[Johnny Stew]

My apologies that I didn't catch the trolling sooner, everyone. Despite the fact that I'm a lazy liberal, I was at work.

[sara1998]

My apologies that I didn't catch the trolling sooner, everyone. Despite the fact that I'm a lazy liberal, I was at work.

Could you get a second job, please? I need more Social Security.

[sara1998]

Yeah, I figured that you were too strong to let those comments get to you, so I didn't think you were upset, but it was still totally unjustified and an awful for that person to say.
What's upsetting is that some people really do say **** like that. They've never been in my boat. They sure as hell wouldn't say **** like that to their mother.....

[chiliD]

I think it's safe to assume that rose.gypsy is a 13 year old boy with a sad little life.

And, with nothing to do since Michael Jackson left Neverland.

[Hawkeye]

And, with nothing to do since Michael Jackson left Neverland.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Hawkeye]

And for those wondering about The Daily Show. Tuesday was their last show in that current studio. They will be showing repeats until they get into the new studio probably next week. The Daily Show has got to be one of my very favorite shows ever.

[DrummerDeanna]

Could you get a second job, please? I need more Social Security.


Dude - you were totally on fire last night - you were cracking me up!! :thumbsup:

[sara1998]

Dude - you were totally on fire last night - you were cracking me up!! :thumbsup:

I was in rare form... that dosen't happen very often. I obviously had some pent up frustration... and smartass got the brunt of it!

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Man Johnny, you shouldnt have banned the troller, now I'm bored!!

Chris

[Hawkeye]

I missed everything last night cause the ledge was acting all funny on me. Anyways about my favorite Beatles it goes:.

1. John
2. George
3. Stevie (I mean Paul :laugh: )
4. Ringo

[NaiveMelody23]

I know I have jumped on this topic a little late and i havent read all 23 pages, but Rose. Gypsy

If your sick of all these liberal bitching and such, then what do you call what your doing? I mean, your no better than any of us cause basically all you are doing is just bitching and whining.

[sara1998]

Man Johnny, you shouldnt have banned the troller, now I'm bored!!

Chris

Did you ban her? No more cat toy for us this evening..... :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

And for those wondering about The Daily Show. Tuesday was their last show in that current studio. They will be showing repeats until they get into the new studio probably next week. The Daily Show has got to be one of my very favorite shows ever.Thanks for the info. I knew they were moving to a different studio but for some reason I didn't realize that meant repeats until next week.

[dissention]

Thanks for the info. I knew they were moving to a different studio but for some reason I didn't realize that meant repeats until next week.


I'm telling ya, get the new Daily Show DVD set! :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

I'm telling ya, get the new Daily Show DVD set! :laugh:I am SO looking forward to getting it! :nod:

Is the troll banned? :shrug: I didn't think so.

[SuzeQuze]

Depends which parts of New York. Boston used to have problems with racism (especially in the late eighties after a man killed his wife and blamed it on a mysterious black man), but not nowadays. Seattle used to be overrun by neo-Nazis, too. :laugh:

I don't know, its very segregated here. The black sections of Boston, the white clubs, I hardly ever see any black people at the clubs I go to. There is still an undercurrent of racism here unfortunately.

[ontheEdgeof17]

My apologies that I didn't catch the trolling sooner, everyone. Despite the fact that I'm a lazy liberal, I was at work.


So was I. I am a flaming liberal, though.... :laugh:

[mylittledemon]

I am moderately conservative with semi-liberal tendencies. I guess it depends on how much I've had to drink.

[strandinthewind]

I am moderately conservative with semi-liberal tendencies. I guess it depends on how much I've had to drink.


I though that was in your college days :laugh: :wavey: (couldn't resist)

[dissention]

I don't know, its very segregated here. The black sections of Boston, the white clubs, I hardly ever see any black people at the clubs I go to. There is still an undercurrent of racism here unfortunately.

Yeah, but compared to what it was like 15 years ago, it's hardly noticeable. :laugh:

[mylittledemon]

I though that was in your college days :laugh: :wavey: (couldn't resist)

You gave me a haughty laugh there Strand...! Um yeah, I guess that spills over into present day. Hell, I'm not even 26 yet...! =P

[strandinthewind]

Yeah, but compared to what it was like 15 years ago, it's hardly noticeable. :laugh:

I think in general the world overall is much better than it was 15 years ago. I have a 16 year old nephew and his group really does not think that way. It is refreshing.

[strandinthewind]

You gave me a haughty laugh there Strand...! Um yeah, I guess that spills over into present day. Hell, I'm not even 26 yet...! =P


Glad to be of service :woohoo:

[mylittledemon]

go read the last thing I posted on the "Am I the Only One Who Hates..." thread and get yourself some chuckles for free.

[sodascouts]

I decided to check this out after seeing Lux and Hillary jump on this guy in the Lindsey forum.

It is quite obvious to me that rose.gypsy is actually a misguided liberal. It is the oldest trick in the world to make your opponent look ridiculous by embodying all of his/her stereotypes in the most insipid ways and pretending to believe them. He/she gets the added benefit of bringing out the worst in all of you. It disappoints me how easily some of you are manipulated. The quite effective strategy of thread hijack soon degenerated into people taking the opportunity to vent their worst hostilies on a straw man. Maybe he hasn't upset you, but he sure has made you all glory in acting ugly. And all I can do is laugh at the irony of it all being instigated by one of your like-minded individuals who obviously believes none of what he says.

Have fun with your troll.

[Mari]

Eh...

Lighten up :)

[Johnny Stew]

It is quite obvious to me that rose.gypsy is actually a misguided liberal. It is the oldest trick in the world to make your opponent look ridiculous by embodying all of his/her stereotypes in the most insipid ways and pretending to believe them.Eh, liberal or conservative (or, hell, communist), the person was a troll and that's that.
I really don't think anyone cared too much what he/she had to say, or took any of it seriously, one way or the other.

As for making opponents look ridiculous... I think Bush, Santorum, Rove, etc., do that well enough on their own. ;) :xoxo:

[strandinthewind]

I decided to check this out after seeing Lux and Hillary jump on this guy in the Lindsey forum.

It is quite obvious to me that rose.gypsy is actually a misguided liberal. It is the oldest trick in the world to make your opponent look ridiculous by embodying all of his/her stereotypes in the most insipid ways and pretending to believe them. He/she gets the added benefit of bringing out the worst in all of you. It disappoints me how easily some of you are manipulated. The quite effective strategy of thread hijack soon degenerated into people taking the opportunity to vent their worst hostilies on a straw man. Maybe he hasn't upset you, but he sure has made you all glory in acting ugly. And all I can do is laugh at the irony of it all being instigated by one of your like-minded individuals who obviously believes none of what he says.

Have fun with your troll.


and when will you be getting down off that high horse missy :nod: :p :p

[GateandGarden]

I decided to check this out after seeing Lux and Hillary jump on this guy in the Lindsey forum.

It is quite obvious to me that rose.gypsy is actually a misguided liberal. It is the oldest trick in the world to make your opponent look ridiculous by embodying all of his/her stereotypes in the most insipid ways and pretending to believe them. He/she gets the added benefit of bringing out the worst in all of you. It disappoints me how easily some of you are manipulated. The quite effective strategy of thread hijack soon degenerated into people taking the opportunity to vent their worst hostilies on a straw man. Maybe he hasn't upset you, but he sure has made you all glory in acting ugly. And all I can do is laugh at the irony of it all being instigated by one of your like-minded individuals who obviously believes none of what he says.

Have fun with your troll.Oh please. I didn't do anything "ugly." I never used inappropriate language; I made lots of sarcastic remarks. It was all in fun and I'm pretty sure I didn't look bad. Had I actually gotten upset, I might have said something I would be ashamed of because I would've let my emotions take over, but I wasn't even in the mood to be upset by the drama. I'm sorry that you think you have to condescend to us.

And I wouldn't be quick to be certain that this person was a liberal. Maybe you don't, but I do encounter plenty of people in real life who would say most if not all of what that person said. Some people are really like that.

[mylittledemon]

Quote:
Originally Posted by GateandGarden
Bill Frist is way better than him. So is Tom DeLay. I don't know if either can play the guitar but at least they're not damn liberals and don't give money to depraved Commie organizations like GLAAD and the ACLU.



Now, now...a narrow minded view takes you down a wide gap to Hell. Maybe Lindsey had some homosexual friends he felt like helping out in GLAAD. Besides, it's not the organization and everyone included that are commies...it's a few crooked weenuses at the top who ruin it for everyone else.

[GateandGarden]

Quote:
Originally Posted by GateandGarden
Bill Frist is way better than him. So is Tom DeLay. I don't know if either can play the guitar but at least they're not damn liberals and don't give money to depraved Commie organizations like GLAAD and the ACLU.



Now, now...a narrow minded view takes you down a wide gap to Hell. Maybe Lindsey had some homosexual friends he felt like helping out in GLAAD. Besides, it's not the organization and everyone included that are commies...it's a few crooked weenuses at the top who ruin it for everyone else.Now you know that any organization that condones the homosexual lifestyle is wholly evil. :D

[gldstwmn]

Well, isn't that special??? :D

Bingo! :woohoo:

[mylittledemon]

Now you know that any organization that condones the homosexual lifestyle is wholly evil. :D

Holy crap....you are opening up a can of worms! My brother is homosexual, and at this point the conversations are starting to rub me the wrong way, so I'll bow out gracefully.

[GateandGarden]

Holy crap....you are opening up a can of worms! My brother is homosexual, and at this point the conversations are starting to rub me the wrong way, so I'll bow out gracefully.I thought you knew I wasn't serious but totally sarcastic. I'm a lesbian. :shrug: :sorry:

[mylittledemon]

I thought you knew I wasn't serious but totally sarcastic. I'm a lesbian. :shrug: :sorry:


Haha...no I knew you were being sarcastic but didn't know you were a lesbian. Does that make it ok? I guess so....ha *wink*

[SomeKindaMother]

Well, first of all 'hi'! :wavey: Nothing like jumping right in to the hornet's nest, huh? Hugs to all of you I already know, and warm greetings to the rest of you! I feel as though I know most of you through reading your posts for so long, and will attempt to tone down too much unreciprocated familiarity. I have lurked off and on for years, but this board has been, shall we say, somewhat frightening in the past. Trolls...or whatever...are not what frightened me. It was the hateful, mean spirited attacks that would occur. I guess I'm posting this message here right now to tell you all that I'm impressed with how well you've handled this 'heckler'. Personally, I'd be greatly surprised if this latest incarnation is truly the serious conservative nutcase he is hoping to portray. Nutcase, though indeed. I think someone may be jealous of the popular Ledge posters and it's a sad little attempt to rile them. AND to make fun of conservatives while doing so. (Not that it isn't good sport....) However, if this poster is legit, I suggest we buy prime time air space for him/her to represent the true face of the "W"orshipers.

Anyway, this has been quite enjoyable due to proper Ledgie Troll wrangling! Thanks for the entertainment.

Kelly :)

PS: Sorry, I wrote this before I read Nancy's post. I mean no disrespect to Nancy. It's interesting to see two totally different viewpoints, though. I believe as she does that the 'poster' is actually not a conservative...but the fact that it shines an unflattering (okay..try *ignorant*) light on conservatives does not bother me in the least. If I were a Republican (sorry, but that was hard to type)...and especially if I honestly believed ...not just spewing arrogant hype...I can see where this would have been hurtful and offensive. I wouldn't have liked to read posts by a conservative pretending to be a liberal endorsing sexual freedom for pedophyles....or such nonsense. See what I mean? Well, yeah, what an introduction for myself. A wee tad bit more intense than I'd intended. :sorry:

[Serrart]

no not sex, although yes we have sex of course..but i was referring to the chores of the house..cooking, cleaning, i love my husband, i massage his feet after a long days' work..things you should try once in awhile

Hmmm. Where's that bandwagon to hell again?

By the way, my favourite of the Fab Four is Paul, always has been. My father must have singed to his fanclub or something and we received Linda McCartney's calendars every year. She was a very good photographer, IMO.

Romy

[trackaghost]

Well, first of all 'hi'! :wavey: Nothing like jumping right in to the hornet's nest, huh? Hugs to all of you I already know, and warm greetings to the rest of you! I feel as though I know most of you through reading your posts for so long, and will attempt to tone down too much unreciprocated familiarity. I have lurked off and on for years, but this board has been, shall we say, somewhat frightening in the past. Trolls...or whatever...are not what frightened me. It was the hateful, mean spirited attacks that would occur. I guess I'm posting this message here right now to tell you all that I'm impressed with how well you've handled this 'heckler'. Personally, I'd be greatly surprised if this latest incarnation is truly the serious conservative nutcase he is hoping to portray. Nutcase, though indeed. I think someone may be jealous of the popular Ledge posters and it's a sad little attempt to rile them. AND to make fun of conservatives while doing so. (Not that it isn't good sport....) However, if this poster is legit, I suggest we buy prime time air space for him/her to represent the true face of the "W"orshipers.

Anyway, this has been quite enjoyable due to proper Ledgie Troll wrangling! Thanks for the entertainment.

Kelly :)


Welcome to the board Kelly. I've heard other people say that the Ledge can be a little intimidating but really, people are fighting one minute and best pals the next. I've definitely done my fair share of that.
Just jump in and enjoy the ride! :nod: Glad you're here.

[David]

It is quite obvious to me that rose.gypsy is actually a misguided liberal.I don't know whether it was a misguided liberal, but it was probably not a right-winger. It all just seemed to contrived; it was trolling for amusement.
He/she gets the added benefit of bringing out the worst in all of you. It disappoints me how easily some of you are manipulated.I agree with Nancy -- the mob mentality simmers just below the civil surface. It reminds me sometimes of the behavior of the mob in Chaucer's "Monk's Tale." Romy, please tell me you noticed the similarities.

[GateandGarden]

Well, first of all 'hi'! :wavey: Nothing like jumping right in to the hornet's nest, huh? Hugs to all of you I already know, and warm greetings to the rest of you! I feel as though I know most of you through reading your posts for so long, and will attempt to tone down too much unreciprocated familiarity. I have lurked off and on for years, but this board has been, shall we say, somewhat frightening in the past. Trolls...or whatever...are not what frightened me. It was the hateful, mean spirited attacks that would occur. I guess I'm posting this message here right now to tell you all that I'm impressed with how well you've handled this 'heckler'. Personally, I'd be greatly surprised if this latest incarnation is truly the serious conservative nutcase he is hoping to portray. Nutcase, though indeed. I think someone may be jealous of the popular Ledge posters and it's a sad little attempt to rile them. AND to make fun of conservatives while doing so. (Not that it isn't good sport....) However, if this poster is legit, I suggest we buy prime time air space for him/her to represent the true face of the "W"orshipers.

Anyway, this has been quite enjoyable due to proper Ledgie Troll wrangling! Thanks for the entertainment.

Kelly :)

PS: Sorry, I wrote this before I read Nancy's post. I mean no disrespect to Nancy. It's interesting to see two totally different viewpoints, though. I believe as she does that the 'poster' is actually not a conservative...but the fact that it shines an unflattering (okay..try *ignorant*) light on conservatives does not bother me in the least. If I were a Republican (sorry, but that was hard to type)...and especially if I honestly believed ...not just spewing arrogant hype...I can see where this would have been hurtful and offensive. I wouldn't have liked to read posts by a conservative pretending to be a liberal endorsing sexual freedom for pedophyles....or such nonsense. See what I mean? Well, yeah, what an introduction for myself. A wee tad bit more intense than I'd intended. :sorry:
Hi Kelly! Welcome! :wavey:

[GateandGarden]

I agree with Nancy -- the mob mentality simmers just below the civil surface. It reminds me sometimes of the behavior of the mob in Chaucer's "Monk's Tale." Romy, please tell me you noticed the similarities.I think you're the fourth or fifth person who has said that we have this mob mentality going on. So, I'm open to someone elaborating. When MikeB, who I thought was just being rude for the most part, asserted that we had that going on, I thought it was ludicrous. I still find it very hard to believe. I said that I care about people on this board; I didn't think that made me a part of a mob. I think we're a diverse group and that implies that we're not a mob, also. And I am not afraid to disagree with other's viewpoints on this board. There's room for myriad viewpoints on here (and, of course, myriad responses to them). So, is there something that I'm not seeing? If so, I'm genuinely interested in someone pointing it out. If there's something I do that turns off newcomers, I don't want to do that, and I imagine others feel the same way. So, is there something that could be or needs to be addressed?

[wondergirl9847]

Perhaps the Ledge is considered "clique-y" by people. :shrug: When I first came here, I wasn't treated that great. I left another board because I was treated like crap, and to come here to get treated bad made me sad. But, I overcame that and jumped in and made lots of friends. I disagree with people, but there's no need for name-calling and stuff. :distress:

I think when people feel outnumbered as some do on the Ledge, I can see the whole "mob" thing. We are all kind of protective of each other and when newbies or outsiders come around, we get defensive. Obviously, this person came to attack and stir things up, but I think it's been handled decently. :)

[GODDESS6]

Well, first of all 'hi'! :wavey: Nothing like jumping right in to the hornet's nest, huh? Hugs to all of you I already know, and warm greetings to the rest of you! I feel as though I know most of you through reading your posts for so long, and will attempt to tone down too much unreciprocated familiarity. I have lurked off and on for years, but this board has been, shall we say, somewhat frightening in the past. Trolls...or whatever...are not what frightened me. It was the hateful, mean spirited attacks that would occur. I guess I'm posting this message here right now to tell you all that I'm impressed with how well you've handled this 'heckler'. Personally, I'd be greatly surprised if this latest incarnation is truly the serious conservative nutcase he is hoping to portray. Nutcase, though indeed. I think someone may be jealous of the popular Ledge posters and it's a sad little attempt to rile them. AND to make fun of conservatives while doing so. (Not that it isn't good sport....) However, if this poster is legit, I suggest we buy prime time air space for him/her to represent the true face of the "W"orshipers.

Anyway, this has been quite enjoyable due to proper Ledgie Troll wrangling! Thanks for the entertainment.

Kelly :)

PS: Sorry, I wrote this before I read Nancy's post. I mean no disrespect to Nancy. It's interesting to see two totally different viewpoints, though. I believe as she does that the 'poster' is actually not a conservative...but the fact that it shines an unflattering (okay..try *ignorant*) light on conservatives does not bother me in the least. If I were a Republican (sorry, but that was hard to type)...and especially if I honestly believed ...not just spewing arrogant hype...I can see where this would have been hurtful and offensive. I wouldn't have liked to read posts by a conservative pretending to be a liberal endorsing sexual freedom for pedophyles....or such nonsense. See what I mean? Well, yeah, what an introduction for myself. A wee tad bit more intense than I'd intended. :sorry:
welcome kelly!!! :wavey: ~

[seeker007nmss]

When I first ame here, I wasn't treated that great.


What?...... :shrug: Now WHO was being a poopyhead when you came? That's just not right!. :nod:

[dissention]

I think you're the fourth or fifth person who has said that we have this mob mentality going on. So, I'm open to someone elaborating. When MikeB, who I thought was just being rude for the most part, asserted that we had that going on, I thought it was ludicrous. I still find it very hard to believe. I said that I care about people on this board; I didn't think that made me a part of a mob. I think we're a diverse group and that implies that we're not a mob, also. And I am not afraid to disagree with other's viewpoints on this board. There's room for myriad viewpoints on here (and, of course, myriad responses to them). So, is there something that I'm not seeing? If so, I'm genuinely interested in someone pointing it out. If there's something I do that turns off newcomers, I don't want to do that, and I imagine others feel the same way. So, is there something that could be or needs to be addressed?

I think a lot of us become too comfortable talking amongst so many people that share our views (for the most part), and once someone with a differing view of things, like a conservative or Republican, a great number of people respond to them and it comes across as ganging up on them. They're outnumbered by the many liberals and Democrats on here, so it's essentially an impossible task for them to be taken seriously and they're just shrugged off as being crazy coots. I know I've done it and so have many others.

Unfortunately, a few of the conservatives who have popped up simply couldn't be taken seriously because of some of the things they've said, but the same rings true for us. The things we say are just as crazy to them as we think the things they say are. I thought David was dead-on in that thread about Bill O'Reilly where he said that everyone already agrees and disagrees about things, no back and forth is going to change that.

[ryan8472]

Perhaps the Ledge is considered "clique-y" by people. :shrug: When I first came here, I wasn't treated that great. I left another board because I was treated like crap, and to come here to get treated bad made me sad. But, I overcame that and jumped in and made lots of friends. I disagree with people, but there's no need for name-calling and stuff. :distress:

I think when people feel outnumbered as some do on the Ledge, I can see the whole "mob" thing. We are all kind of protective of each other and when newbies or outsiders come around, we get defensive. Obviously, this person came to attack and stir things up, but I think it's been handled decently. :)
You're so right Christy. I would never be mean or negative towards a newbie or outsider, but I will always protect my friends first. Like last night, when this lady started with the personal attacks on Josh and Maria, I can't let that **** go. I have to defend them. But that's because they are my friends. I don't think we're clique-y at all, we're a close-knit group. :nod:

[Serrart]

I don't know whether it was a misguided liberal, but it was probably not a right-winger. It all just seemed to contrived; it was trolling for amusement.
I agree with Nancy -- the mob mentality simmers just below the civil surface. It reminds me sometimes of the behavior of the mob in Chaucer's "Monk's Tale." Romy, please tell me you noticed the similarities.

"And I seyde his opinion was good".

Even If I thought more to Kovrin's Monk: "Yes, you are one of those few who are justly called the chosen of God. You do the service of eternal truth. Your thoughts, your designs, the marvellous studies you are engaged in, and all your life, bear the Divine, the heavenly stamp, seeing that they are consecrated to the rational and the beautiful -- that is, to what is eternal."

And a bit to this Monk too:
The Devil And The Blue Sea (http://www.content.loudeye.com/scripts/hurl.exe?clipid=011517201050006900&cid=600111)

:nod:

Romy

[GateandGarden]

Perhaps the Ledge is considered "clique-y" by people. :shrug: When I first came here, I wasn't treated that great. I left another board because I was treated like crap, and to come here to get treated bad made me sad. But, I overcame that and jumped in and made lots of friends. I disagree with people, but there's no need for name-calling and stuff. :distress:

I think when people feel outnumbered as some do on the Ledge, I can see the whole "mob" thing. We are all kind of protective of each other and when newbies or outsiders come around, we get defensive. Obviously, this person came to attack and stir things up, but I think it's been handled decently. :)I'm really sorry that you weren't treated decently when you first joined. I can't imagine people being mean to you because you've always been so nice!

I could be wrong, but it seems like when people get defensive, it's justified. If a troll attacks a member by saying something really nasty, we don't take that. And of course I'm going to have something to say if someone makes homophobic comments, but those are against board guidelines, anyway. But if we're making newcomers afraid to even say what they think because they're afraid someone's going to jump down their throats, there's something wrong.

[GateandGarden]

I think a lot of us become too comfortable talking amongst so many people that share our views (for the most part), and once someone with a differing view of things, like a conservative or Republican, a great number of people respond to them and it comes across as ganging up on them. They're outnumbered by the many liberals and Democrats on here, so it's essentially an impossible task for them to be taken seriously and they're just shrugged off as being crazy coots. I know I've done it and so have many others.

Unfortunately, a few of the conservatives who have popped up simply couldn't be taken seriously because of some of the things they've said, but the same rings true for us. The things we say are just as crazy to them as we think the things they say are. I thought David was dead-on in that thread about Bill O'Reilly where he said that everyone already agrees and disagrees about things, no back and forth is going to change that.Well, of course I appreciate being amongst like minds in the political realm and others, but I hate to think that no one with different views even wants to speak of them because there are so many radical liberals here. (We are pretty radical, right? :o )

I wish there was a way to convince someone that just because so many of us respond with the same viewpoints, that doesn't mean that we're dogging that person. It just so happens that we have the same political views, but we still want to hear about another person's and will respect them if that person is respectful as well. I don't know how we could convince anyone of that though, without just taking everything down a notch and holding our tongues all the time. The problem is that the country is so polarized right now and we're products of that, right? Everything is heated. We can't have class discussions in my history classes without someone saying something hurtful to someone else; it's like it's unavoidable.

And I guess the fact that we know each other quite well doesn't help anything. I remember when I first came to the board, I was really intimidated by all the people who already knew each other. I couldn't see what purpose I could possibly serve. Everyone else already had a place. Thankfully, I found my place and others can, too. But sometimes it's not easy and it's frustrating to be new or unknown, I think.

Now I'm just rambling, and when I point that out I guess y'all know that's my totally not eloquent way of saying that I don't know what to say anymore.

[jannieC]

And I guess the fact that we know each other quite well doesn't help anything. I remember when I first came to the board, I was really intimidated by all the people who already knew each other. I couldn't see what purpose I could possibly serve. Everyone else already had a place. Thankfully, I found my place and others can, too. But sometimes it's not easy and it's frustrating to be new or unknown, I think.


Thank you for saying that. :xoxo:

[GateandGarden]

Thank you for saying that. :xoxo::xoxo: :xoxo:

[wondergirl9847]

I just remember when I first started posting, I was trying to rally some support to get a FM video on MTV's TRL or something and people were all "What a stupid idea." and I just didn't get a warm welcome, but things got easier when I made friends here.

Of course, I was a little bit different back then (2001). I've learned so much from Ledgies. I didn't know much about message boards and stuff. My fandom of LB and FM brought me to cyberspace.

Ryan, I agree with you about people attacking Ledgies. It won't be tolerated. I don't think we are clique-y either, but outsiders might think so...until they become ONE OF US!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!! :laugh:

All newbies should feel welcome and I think we do an excellent job of that. Although, when people start posting just to get a rise out of us and attack us...we have a right to defend (without stooping to their level of name-calling) ourselves and this board.

[ryan8472]

Newbies shoud never be shy here. Most of us are really accepting and open, so I dont see why anyone would see us as clique-y. That's all. I just love you guys! :D :xoxo:

[GateandGarden]

As for the mob mentality. Of course, it's very present here. So many are too afraid to speak and often when it appears the pack has won, they don't realise how ridiculous they look to those who don't fit in.I don't want it to be like that! :distress: I imagine that you include yourself in that category and you know that I don't want you to not speak your mind! :shrug: I don't know what to do about it; my long-ass post about it probably insinuated that.

[estranged4life]

Perhaps the Ledge is considered "clique-y" by people. :shrug: When I first came here, I wasn't treated that great.

When I first started posting some thought I was gonna only make a few posts about my then new Stevie Nicks Pictures website...But yet 4 years later I am still here.

I never felt a part of a clique online, And especially here...Especially considering my political views are that of an Independent who views the Republican party (Which I was a former member of) and the Democrats as near one-and-the-same...I trust neither, And I form my own thoughts/opinions of the issues without bowing down and kissing the holy rings and the asses of either party.

[Johnny Stew]

But if we're making newcomers afraid to even say what they think because they're afraid someone's going to jump down their throats, there's something wrong.Well, I do think we could be a little nicer and/or less aggressive. I think that about society as a whole, too.

But, then, my views on that are often met with eye-rolling or righteous indignation, so what do I know?

[LikeAWillow]

I've always found the Ledge to be a little intimidating myself, mainly for the reasons that others have mentioned. While it may not seem "cliquey" to those who have been here for ages, it's very tough for newbies to find their niche :shrug:

~Marissa~

[DrummerDeanna]

I don't think the problem is neccessarily us not liking Repubs. or Conservatives in general - but some who have come on here, mostly trolls, are down right hateful and mean about it - and that's when we get "gang-like" I guess.

But that, as has been stated, comes down to us protecting our own, especially when the attacks get personal.

It's hard being a newbie in any situation, I think - but recently there have been quite a few new or emerging Ledgies and I think it's great! I mean we were ALL new at one point :nod:

[GateandGarden]

Well, I do think we could be a little nicer and/or less aggressive. I think that about society as a whole, too.

But, then, my views on that are often met with eye-rolling or righteous indignation, so what do I know?Did I miss something? People roll their eyes at you and act indignant? I had the same reaction to that that I didn when I read Christy's post about how people were mean to her when she joined. How could someone be mean to you? And how could someone dismiss you when you express your opinions so well and so respectfully at the same time?

[sara1998]

It disappoints me how easily some of you are manipulated. The quite effective strategy of thread hijack soon degenerated into people taking the opportunity to vent their worst hostilies on a straw man.

I'm not going to attack you, Nancy, because you have a good point. I would have never kept beating a dead horse last night, however, troll said some pretty cruel things to me. I could have been the bigger person in this instance, but it was refreshing to put this person in his/her place.

[AliP]

I think the ledge is very cliquey. I've been posting on the Ledge since 1998 and it was cliquey then. It will always be that way and it's really not any different from any other board out there. I don't think there's anything really wrong with that.

I really don't post much on anything other than subjects relating to FM but one time I did post that I did not like political threads in the non chit chat forums. My post was party-neutral and, yet, I was reemed for it. :shrug:

I learned my lesson on that one. It wasn't so much the mean comments I received for that that bothered me, but it was the fact that nobody backed me up or replied saying that some of the comments I received were a little uncalled for. In imo, it was because people were afraid of getting flamed themselves. That's where I think the "mob" mentality comes in.

[sara1998]

You're so right Christy. I would never be mean or negative towards a newbie or outsider, but I will always protect my friends first. Like last night, when this lady started with the personal attacks on Josh and Maria, I can't let that **** go. I have to defend them. But that's because they are my friends. I don't think we're clique-y at all, we're a close-knit group. :nod:

Thanks, honey, and everyone who gives a **** as to so much defend me. Don't think it didn't go unnoticed. :xoxo:

[sara1998]

I think the ledge is very cliquey.
Maybe it is. I don't spend half as much time as some on here, though, and everyone came through for me last night. I may be a vet on here, but I don't know people on here like some people know eachother on here.

Does that make since to anyone but me?? :lol:

[Johnny Stew]

Did I miss something? People roll their eyes at you and act indignant? I had the same reaction to that that I didn when I read Christy's post about how people were mean to her when she joined. How could someone be mean to you? And how could someone dismiss you when you express your opinions so well and so respectfully at the same time?Eh, it happens. If you suggest that people try to be nicer or less aggressive, they get their feathers ruffled and feel like they're being told what to do.

But I've learned to not let opposition stop me from speaking my mind. :nod:

[seeker007nmss]

Maybe it is. I don't spend half as much time as some on here, though, and everyone came through for me last night. I may be a vet on here, but I don't know people on here like some people know eachother on here.

Does that make since to anyone but me?? :lol:

Many on here live near each other, or meet in person alot. So that's mainly why they seem to know each other more. I have been on here awhile and don't REALLY know alot of people on here beyond a certain point. To be honest (feather ruffling time) even when we all met in Vegas, I noticed certain "groupings" that didn't mingle as much. I think it is just human nature to go with the ones you know. So I know Exactly what you mean. :nod:

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I took last nights' thread mostly as fun..we all love to argue here, well most of us anyway, what better way to vent your views than on some ignorant idiot?

Chris

[trackaghost]

I agree Chris, I'm sad at how this thread has turned so serious.
A troll came to the board to cause trouble and people either ignored him/her or kept things light, I didn't see any nasty behaviour going on.

As for the clique thing or gang mentality, of course it's present. I felt it to an extent when I first joined, but you just have to dive in and take part. God, remember Burnish? Great site but that board was one big clique that didn't want to know anyone else.

There are definitely lots of fights, arguments and discussions here, it's what keeps things lively, but I don't think anyone actively sets out to be hurtful or exclude anyone.

[gldstwmn]

You're so right Christy. I would never be mean or negative towards a newbie or outsider, but I will always protect my friends first. Like last night, when this lady started with the personal attacks on Josh and Maria, I can't let that **** go. I have to defend them. But that's because they are my friends. I don't think we're clique-y at all, we're a close-knit group. :nod:

I think community is a good word. We fight amongst ourselves but we also share a common thread-Fleetwood Mac and/or it's various members.
And the attacks on Josh and Maria were below the belt.
I also don't think any of us were being manipulated. We're no strangers to trolls. We were just playing around with the little under bridge dweller. :lol: Nothing wrong with that. Turnabout is fair play.

[gldstwmn]

I took last nights' thread mostly as fun..we all love to argue here, well most of us anyway, what better way to vent your views than on some ignorant idiot?

Chris

If the troll's opening statement hadn't been Saddam Hussein bombed us on 9/11, perhaps things might have started off a little better. But I doubt it. :lol:

[catinthedark]

I think that there's a major difference between disagreeing and being intolerant.

rose.gypsy (or whatever the hell the troll called itself) was so obviously trying to egg us on. But truly, if she/he/it had come on as a new member and simply expressed some differeing opinions, and not tried to preach and jam his/her/its beliefs down our throats, it would have been a different scene. I think it's fair to say that the majority of us are liberal minded, and tolerant and accepting. I would say, this is a good thing. I don't think any of us spends much time on fundamentalist sites trying to jam our liberal viewpoints down their throats. THAT alone is why so many people reacted to him/her/it. The troll didn't come here as a fan of the band and find that it disagreed with the majority of views here; it came simply to antagonize and provoke. I would doubt that rose.gypsy (or whatever) could ever name 10 songs by Stevie, Lindsey, or FM.

A) this is a Fleetwood Mac (and all its related members) fan site. If someone is not a fan of the band or any of its members, why the hell would you come here? Anyone who joins simply to pan the band and its members is a sad, lonely person who has nothing better to do. Honestly, I've never visited any other fan site in my life. Why would I? To run down its members? Please, i have far better things to do. Like talk about the band I do love with with great bunch of people! Or go out with my friends.

B) people may describe this board as "cliquish" - but hey, man, if this is the liberal, tolerant, pro-choice, pro-gay/lesbian clique, I'm happy to call myself a member. Also, again, I do not believe any of us try to jam our political leanings down other people's throats. I think it's part of being tolerant of others. I know there are people on this board who are anti-choice. I'd venture to say, I could sit down and have a reasonable conversation with most of them about it. But if that person simply said to me, you and all the women in the world who've had abortions are going to burn in hell, I'd be less inclined to chat. Ya know?

Not sure where I'm going with all this... these were just random thoughts i had as I read.

Not to mention that this troll is clearly a very sad and disturbed person, who has nothing better to do in life than troll sites and provoke conflict. Did he/her/it make even a tiny blip on my radar screen? No. Did he/her/it compel me to rethink my personal philosophies and views? Ya gotta be kidding. He/her/it did entertain me for a while - and then it made me feel a strong sense of pity.

[diamondsnake]

Oh God, did I just waste an hour of my life reading 27 pages of this?

All I have to say is that it is insane to come on here and post all this ****, mocking people with the "Adam and Steve" comment, etc. You are telling us to get jobs, etc. Well you really need to practice what you preach because you are the one that came in here and posted this stuff just to stir up the pot. We are on here because we are obsessed with Fleetwood Mac... why are you on this board?

And as far as the Ledge being intimidating or cliquish, I guess I haven't noticed. I do remember when I first joined I got in huge fights with Dissention daily and was offended by every off color remark about Stevie, but I got over it fast. Now I am really comfortable on the Ledge, even if I still feel like an outcast sometimes.

Anyway, Gypsy.Rose, you really shouldn't be concerned with oother people so much. What would Jesus do? Would he love people uncoonditionally or would he judge people the way you are doing? Food for thought, huh? :)

[EnchantedSLN]

This is completely irrelevant, but Chris, your dog is so cute. What breed?

[Moony]

Only if that scale starts at five and ends at ten, with five being butt fugly and ten being ridiculously gorgeous. :laugh:

In any case, I'll stop my Ewan bashing before Moony kicks my ass.

OH, YOU ARE GOING TO BE IN A WORLD OF PAIN!!!

JUST YOU WAIT.

[lagringader&r]

Look liberals...all you all do here is whine, bitch and complain. Go out and get jobs, I know something liberals don't do very well--especially the minorities (who complain worst than the best of them) . This board is full of liberal whining. I'm a republican, YEP, proud of it. What's wrong with you guys? Of course tax breaks should go to the rich, they WORKED for their money. Social Security is for the lazy. Gays getting married? Don't even get me started. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve ok?

I'm really interested to know where some of you Democrats get off thinking you should be allowed to burn the flag, what's wrong with you all? Have you no respect for this great land? Guess what people, Saddam Hussein bombed the world trade centers on 9/11/01 and now you want him free...I know , no-one will respond, because you dont know what to say to someone who actually stands up to you tree huggers.

My wish for you:

May all of your children and grandchildren grow up to be democrats. Every single, solitary one of them.. :eek:

[diamondsnake]

This is completely irrelevant, but Chris, your dog is so cute. What breed?
American Eskimo...

And thanks!!! I'll tell her you said that. LOL Do you have a dog?

[EnchantedSLN]

American Eskimo...

And thanks!!! I'll tell her you said that. LOL Do you have a dog?

She has a sweet face.

I do. She's an adorable but somewhat obese (I say no table scraps, nobody listens) chow/lab mix.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/[email protected]/angel-window.jpg

[diamondsnake]

She has a sweet face.

I do. She's an adorable but somewhat obese (I say no table scraps, nobody listens) chow/lab mix.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/[email protected]/angel-window.jpg
Oh my Gosh!!!! She is so adorable!!!! I love labs!!! I want to play with her!!!!! Too bad you live three thousand miles away or we could have had a "dog play date" with our puppies!

[DownOnRodeo]

to bad you don't live in the USA :wavey:

Too bad you do (for everyone else there). :lol:

(Edit: ack, I replied after reading page 1 - I didn't realise there was a War and Peace thread attached!)

[Mari]

mobs, cliques? I've seen them far and far worse on other boards.. I think no one can get away from that, it's only human, you know? Some have that desire in a different degree than others, but I found people here to be quite welcoming to newbies, very friendly. There's another board I just to post on a lot for a couple of years, but I've drifted away from it because the people here are just more friendly and open and more fun. :shrug:

[LiquidBlue5000]

She has a sweet face.

I do. She's an adorable but somewhat obese (I say no table scraps, nobody listens) chow/lab mix.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/[email protected]/angel-window.jpg

what a cute doggie~

[GateandGarden]

Chris and Tiff, you two have the most adorable dogs. And it would be so, so cute to see them playing together! :nod:

[henryscutter]

When I first started posting some thought I was gonna only make a few posts about my then new Stevie Nicks Pictures website...But yet 4 years later I am still here.

I never felt a part of a clique online, And especially here...Especially considering my political views are that of an Independent who views the Republican party (Which I was a former member of) and the Democrats as near one-and-the-same...I trust neither, And I form my own thoughts/opinions of the issues without bowing down and kissing the holy rings and the asses of either party.
That pretty much describes my political views as well, I am open-minded but usually tend to be more conservative. There is just so much B.S.(on both sides) that political discussions seem pointless.
I see what your getting at Nancy but that self right righteous "Lindsey Fan" had to be hard to ignore :lol:

[SuzeQuze]

My wish for you:

May all of your children and grandchildren grow up to be democrats. Every single, solitary one of them.. :eek:

Yup, and gay too! :thumbsup: Except I wouldn't wish a parent like that on a gay child.

[Kelly]

[QUOTE=EnchantedSLN]Hayden is too babyfaced. I'd like him more if I was like, 12. I was recently forced to sit through Star Wars Eps II & III, and [QUOTE]

look you're a little late honey, and your stevie pics make her look like a fat hog, so stop sharing them OK? Thanks!


You utterly classless bitch. What a loving, Christian thing to say calling someone a "fat hog".

Hypocrite = Cayla


BTW..after your husband drops dead from the years of misery he has endured dealing with your pleasant personality, make sure you stay far far away from the money your man paid into SS that his little ones would be entitled to collect. He paid in and his kids would be entitled to collect his savings but that would be a lazy thing to do. So go get two or three jobs on top of your secretary thing.

[GateandGarden]

Hypocrite = CaylaYou know the person, Kelly?

[gldstwmn]

And as far as the Ledge being intimidating or cliquish, I guess I haven't noticed. I do remember when I first joined I got in huge fights with Dissention daily and was offended by every off color remark about Stevie, but I got over it fast.


What fun would it be if we couldn't fight with Dissention? He is Dissention, after all. :lol:

[gldstwmn]

She has a sweet face.

I do. She's an adorable but somewhat obese (I say no table scraps, nobody listens) chow/lab mix.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/[email protected]/angel-window.jpg

I love Labs. My sister in law is involved with the Lab rescue/foster program and currently has five of them.

[GateandGarden]

What fun would it be if we couldn't fight with Dissention? He is Dissention, after all. :lol:Totally! And Homie, too! Fighting with those two is all part of it for me. :laugh:

[sara1998]

[QUOTE=KellyBTW..after your husband drops dead from the years of misery he has endured dealing with your pleasant personality, make sure you stay far far away from the money your man paid into SS that his little ones would be entitled to collect. He paid in and his kids would be entitled to collect his savings but that would be a lazy thing to do. So go get two or three jobs on top of your secretary thing.[/QUOTE]

Can you believe she told me to get a second job??? LOL!!!!

[Janet]

I'm really sick of having to step in because people gay bash and such. It's really old. And now this thread is like 28 pages and I can't go thru each page now because I work today ( and tomorrow and the 4th, in fact I work 65 hours 7 days a week) and so those who really are offended, please email me. I will close this thread before I leave. If we can make peace, like some are really trying to do, cool.

BUT THERE IS NO GAY BASHING on these boards. I am really tired of it.

Pretty soon we will just ban you at the first mention of it....because it's disgusting.

[ontheEdgeof17]

I'm really sick of having to step in because people gay bash and such. It's really old. And now this thread is like 28 pages and I can't go thru each page now because I work today ( and tomorrow and the 4th, in fact I work 65 hours 7 days a week) and so those who really are offended, please email me. I will close this thread before I leave. If we can make peace, like some are really trying to do, cool.

BUT THERE IS NO GAY BASHING on these boards. I am really tired of it.

Pretty soon we will just ban you at the first mention of it....because it's disgusting.


I'm sorry to sound rude, but you just seem to come around to close threads. I don't get it. :shrug:

[GateandGarden]

I'm really sick of having to step in because people gay bash and such. It's really old. And now this thread is like 28 pages and I can't go thru each page now because I work today ( and tomorrow and the 4th, in fact I work 65 hours 7 days a week) and so those who really are offended, please email me. I will close this thread before I leave. If we can make peace, like some are really trying to do, cool.

BUT THERE IS NO GAY BASHING on these boards. I am really tired of it.

Pretty soon we will just ban you at the first mention of it....because it's disgusting.I think people come around for the purpose of gay bashing at times because they know it's not okay here (against board guidelines and very unpopular as well) and that the numerous gay posters are likely to not take it well. Gays are an easy target here.

[ontheEdgeof17]

I think people come around for the purpose of gay bashing at times because they know it's not okay here (against board guidelines and very unpopular as well) and that the numerous gay posters are likely to not take it well. Gays are an easy target here.



I don't care about "gay bashing". It doesn't hurt my feelings one bit. If they want to sound idiotic, it's their business. I take it with a grain of salt. It doesn't affect my life in any way. It's a message board...they want attention....that's all....to stir up trouble....and we take the bait every single time. :cool:

[GateandGarden]

I don't care about "gay bashing". It doesn't hurt my feelings one bit. If they want to sound idiotic, it's their business. I take it with a grain of salt. It doesn't affect my life in any way. It's a message board...they want attention....that's all....to stir up trouble....and we take the bait every single time. :cool:Maybe I'm being foolish, but I figure if we're playing the game as well it's just as harmless. But honest gay bashing (actually being genuine about it) is against the rules. But if no one's actually being serious, what's the harm in taking the bait, if that's what you want to call it? Of course there's a problem in that we never knew for certain if this person was serious or not.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Maybe I'm being foolish, but I figure if we're playing the game as well it's just as harmless. But honest gay bashing (actually being genuine about it) is against the rules. But if no one's actually being serious, what's the harm in taking the bait, if that's what you want to call it? Of course there's a problem in that we never knew for certain if this person was serious or not.


I know you are very sensitive about ppl being rude to homosexuals. I love you for that...someone has to be. If not, we would be further back than we are now. :xoxo:

For me, though, I name call and make fun of heterosexuals all the time. Of course they are not the minority, but I think that if I bash them and their lifestyle, then I have no right to get upset and angry when they bash mine. That's where I am coming from. I don't want "special treatment" on this board because I am gay cuz we all know I make fun of straight ppl all the time.

[Janet]

Curtis, I am a moderator, that's what I do.

I honestly don't have time to post very much. I work alot and I am never home.

But I do try to take time each day to make sure all is running smoothly but after that, I don't have time to post for fun. My life is no fun. Fun is not in my vocabulary right now.

I am sorry my coming in is offensive to you, but this thread was REPORTED to me because SOMEONE was very offended but Johnny Stew took care of things without me knowing so I just made a nice big ass of myself. So all is well.

:)

[David]

I'm sorry to sound rude, but you just seem to come around to close threads. I don't get it. :shrug:It's rather bizarre, ain't it?

How can someone moderate a message board without keeping pretty current on reading it? In order to moderate properly, you would need to know the personalities & styles of the people who use the board as well as have a strong feel for the overall atmosphere -- the give & take that the regs engage in -- so that you would know what they're serious about & what they're just joking about. You'd also need to be able to recognize one-time-pop-in trolls from the regs. You need to engage in fairly frequent conversation on the board, too, so that the rest of the board comes to know you.

I don't know how janet can do any of that. In fact, I don't think she can. To just show up every four or six months in order to wag a finger & close a thread is sort of ... goofy? at best, pointless?

[David]

I honestly don't have time to post very much. I work alot and I am never home.

I don't have time to post for fun.Then why moderate? People here don't really know you, & you don't really know many of them.

The salary couldn't be that good. . . are there other perks?

[David]

Of course there's a problem in that we never knew for certain if this person was serious or not.Somebody mentioned that this might be the Cayla person. Cayla Kisting (?) or something from awhile back.

Could it be?

[gldstwmn]

Somebody mentioned that this might be the Cayla person. Cayla Kisting (?) or something from awhile back.

Could it be?

The writing style doesn't seem that similar to me. This person has either been lurking for a while or is a regular who is posting under a pseudonym to yank our chain.

[GateandGarden]

It's rather bizarre, ain't it?

How can someone moderate a message board without keeping pretty current on reading it? In order to moderate properly, you would need to know the personalities & styles of the people who use the board as well as have a strong feel for the overall atmosphere -- the give & take that the regs engage in -- so that you would know what they're serious about & what they're just joking about. You'd also need to be able to recognize one-time-pop-in trolls from the regs. You need to engage in fairly frequent conversation on the board, too, so that the rest of the board comes to know you.

I don't know how janet can do any of that. In fact, I don't think she can. To just show up every four or six months in order to wag a finger & close a thread is sort of ... goofy? at best, pointless?I have to agree with you, but at the same time, I don't want Janet to be hard on herself in the least. This is all she has time for and I respect that. But I think it would far more effective if there were a moderator specifically for the Chit Chat forum who would be present fairly often. Actually, two or three others might do the trick, since so much goes on here. Michael suggested this down there on The Ledge board (one of the board's no one ever looks at) and I think he has a good idea.

Janet, if you happen to see my response, please know that it's not to criticize you. I know that you do what you can. I know how it is to have responsibilities that don't allow you time to participate or even check a message board frequently.

[GateandGarden]

I know you are very sensitive about ppl being rude to homosexuals. I love you for that...someone has to be. If not, we would be further back than we are now. :xoxo:

For me, though, I name call and make fun of heterosexuals all the time. Of course they are not the minority, but I think that if I bash them and their lifestyle, then I have no right to get upset and angry when they bash mine. That's where I am coming from. I don't want "special treatment" on this board because I am gay cuz we all know I make fun of straight ppl all the time.I didn't realize you made fun of heterosexuals. :shrug: Unless you were just playing around a few times and meant nothing by it. I can't see making fun of any group's "lifestyle," anyway, since heterosexuals as a whole don't have a specific lifestyle and neither do homosexuals or bisexuals. I didn't think anyone is asking for "special treatment"--only equal treatment and the benefit of not having to be singled out as some horribly sinful menace to society. I don't want any sexual orientation to be perceived that way. I'm sure you feel the same way and I can't imagine you seriously bashing heterosexuals as a group, so I'm thinking that you have every right to be just as annoyed, upset, offended, or whatever when homosexuals are bashed.

[DrummerDeanna]

I'm going to step up in defense of Janet - she's a busy person, yes - but she is a good moderator - and as she said, she may not have time to post like crazy - but she DOES check in - I do think she knows the people around here fairly well as she's been a member for some time.

Being a moderator can't be all that much fun a lot of the time - but it's her job to check on things and close threads etc if neccessary. I think only Janet can be the judge of whether or not she should be moderating.

But just to let you, Janet, and all the mods know - I really appreciate what you do for the board - :D Thanks!!!

[lagringader&r]

Yup, and gay too! :thumbsup: Except I wouldn't wish a parent like that on a gay child.

I wouldn't either. :distress:

[ontheEdgeof17]

I didn't realize you made fun of heterosexuals. :shrug: Unless you were just playing around a few times and meant nothing by it. I can't see making fun of any group's "lifestyle," anyway, since heterosexuals as a whole don't have a specific lifestyle and neither do homosexuals or bisexuals. I didn't think anyone is asking for "special treatment"--only equal treatment and the benefit of not having to be singled out as some horribly sinful menace to society. I don't want any sexual orientation to be perceived that way. I'm sure you feel the same way and I can't imagine you seriously bashing heterosexuals as a group, so I'm thinking that you have every right to be just as annoyed, upset, offended, or whatever when homosexuals are bashed.


I do see your point.

I just think that if we wanted to be taken seriously as a group, we have to act professional. We do build up the stereotype of those who can't stay with one partner...that spread disease (which I disagree with, BTW), who are flaming "queers". I mean...look at these PRIDE events. I really believe they could raise awareness and actually educate society. But no. It's just a bunch of men in daisy dukes and leather thongs prancing around the street carrying a flag. I think before we can point the finger of those who bash us, we have to fix the preception we give off. We can't change other ppl's mind without changing our own first.

[GateandGarden]

I do see your point.

I just think that if we wanted to be taken seriously as a group, we have to act professional. We do build up the stereotype of those who can't stay with one partner...that spread disease (which I disagree with, BTW), who are flaming "queers". I mean...look at these PRIDE events. I really believe they could raise awareness and actually educate society. But no. It's just a bunch of men in daisy dukes and leather thongs prancing around the street carrying a flag. I think before we can point the finger of those who bash us, we have to fix the preception we give off. We can't change other ppl's mind without changing our own first.I'm not responsible for any of that behavior and have thus far lived my life under a relatively strict moral code, especially in regards to sexual behavior, so I have no reason to think that I deserve to be bashed at all and have no problems protesting bashing of homosexuals. I know that you are not some fiendish sex-crazed depraved person either, Curtis, so you don't deserve it any more than I do. The few who do behave reprehensibly, have no sense of sexual/moral responsibility whatsoever (and I know that that is a relative and subjective concept), and do nothing but make our minority group look bad are not the sole representatives of us. I'm pretty sure that I am not perceived as morally bankrupt by anyone other than those who think to be gay is to be morally bankrupt automatically. And I know I'm not the only one.

But it's not just homosexuals. Heterosexuals have many members of their majority group that behave irresponsibly and have no concept of monogamy--that's not exclusive to one sexual orientation. No group is immune to that.

I hope I'm making sense, 'cause I feel like only part of what I mean to say if actually coming through. :shrug:

[GateandGarden]

Being a moderator can't be all that much fun a lot of the time - but it's her job to check on things and close threads etc if neccessary. I think only Janet can be the judge of whether or not she should be moderating.Oh, I wasn't suggesting that she resign as moderator or anything like that. I didn't mean to make it sound that way if I did. I was just suggesting that maybe this forum could use additional moderators.

[DrummerDeanna]

Oh, I wasn't suggesting that she resign as moderator or anything like that. I didn't mean to make it sound that way if I did. I was just suggesting that maybe this forum could use additional moderators.


Yeah - with the size of the Ledge and the recent influx of trolls etc more moderators wouldn't be a completely bad thing at all.

By the way - who is the woman wrapped in the American Flag in your signature??

[GateandGarden]

By the way - who is the woman wrapped in the American Flag in your signature??It's the hopelessly beautiful Linda Blair. :D http://img124.echo.cx/img124/8261/beatingheartsmiley8rk.gif

[DrummerDeanna]

It's the hopelessly beautiful Linda Blair. :D http://img124.echo.cx/img124/8261/beatingheartsmiley8rk.gif



LOL - ok - I didn't make the connection from that picture to the ones in your previous sig :D

I have a hopeless crush on an actress named Anne Ramsay :o *sigh*

[strandinthewind]

I'm sorry to sound rude, but you just seem to come around to close threads. I don't get it. :shrug:


To her defense --- Janet is a very nice lady and I think that was unwarranted. I am not attacking you Curtis - I am just calling that comment uncalled for -- hopefully with no offense to you.

On edit - I mistakenly via the quotes thought this was Hillary - again no offense meant in any way to both Curtis and Hillary.

[ontheEdgeof17]

To her defense --- Janet is a very nice lady and I think that was unwarranted.

I didn't attack her on a personal level.


Geez. I'm sick of sugarcoating everything on this board. :cool:

[strandinthewind]

I didn't attack her on a personal level.


Geez. I'm sick of sugarcoating everything on this board. :cool:


Its cool -- I was not attacking you and I think your posts are great. I was just taking up for Janet. Hopefully and again without offense to you, who I like a great deal and consider a friend :cool:

[GateandGarden]

I have a hopeless crush on an actress named Anne Ramsay :o *sigh*She is a beautiful lady. I vaguely remember her from when I used to watch "Mad About You."

[ontheEdgeof17]

Its cool -- I was not attacking you and I think your posts are great. I was just taking up for Janet. Hopefully and again without offense to you, who I like a great deal and consider a friend :cool:


I just think Janet can take up for herself. But you are such a mother hen.... :p

[diamondsnake]

I think the last thing this board need is more moderators.

[diamondsnake]

I'm sick of sugarcoating everything on this board. :cool:

I agree, if I don't stick a million smilies in my posts people think I'm being rude.

:D :shrug: :) :) :) :blob1: :]

[David]

I'm going to step up in defense of Janet - she's a busy person, yes - but she is a good moderator - and as she said, she may not have time to post like crazy - but she DOES check in - I do think she knows the people around here fairly well as she's been a member for some time.Yes, she's been a member I believe since the whole board started, back in '97 or so. She's a good lady, I'm sure most of us would agree. that's not what's at issue.

To say she "DOES check in" doesn't mean much, of course, unless you relate it to the habits of others or unless you quantify it somehow. Ann Sissom "checks in" too -- probably about once a month or less. Amber "checks in" -- about ... what? six hours per day?

We just about all of us "check in." Do you see what I"m saying?
Being a moderator can't be all that much fun a lot of the time - but it's her job to check on things and close threads etc if neccessary.Moderating doesn't look like much fun, true. I would think the first job of a moderator is to mix with the people being moderated. As I stated earlier, how can you know what's really going on unless you observe it? Being notified of a problem & then going to try cram in a rapid thread reading invariably creates a mountain out of a molehill because you just don't get the vibe of the problem. Every problem has a vibe: it's not a black & white issue. It's got all that gray. Take the thread in question: started by a troll, developed into a confusing mixture of joking around & not joking around, some people feeling offended & others not really being aware of or understanding why, plus the inevitable off-topic stuff that makes reading any lengthy thread doubly time-consuming & confusing.

How can you moderate people you don't really know? You get to know people here by having conversations with them. It's a question of quantity: the more weeks & months you spend debating & joking & fighting with people on the message board, the better you get to know them, & they you. There's no shortcut & no bypass.

Johnny Stew's a perfect example of being in the best position to moderate: he actually hangs here on a regular basis, & as a result he knows all of us, & we all know him. He knows our styles, he knows our personalities, he knows our moods, he knows when Ledgie X is just venting or pushing the envelope or totally putting on or seriously being nasty, & so he's able to act accordingly. He doesn't just arrive at a problem thread when someone notifies him, crams in a quick reading & then try to solve the situation in a way in which the solution is a perfect counterbalance to the problem.

Whoever said (probably as a reductio ad absurdum of my position) that it's impossible to "read every post" is just being ridiculous. Of course it's impossible to read every post -- who the hell would want to? You don't need to read every post in order to have a good solid feel for this place & its dynamics. You do need to spend a fair amount of time here (you do that because you enjoy hanging out & conversing -- that's why we're all here, isn't it?) so you can much more easily appraise problems brewing & so that you're a part of the community. That's why they have police departments in every big city: the cops know their beat & its people.

Janet herself says she is too busy with work to read this board more than very rarely. That's fine -- nobody's slamming her for that. But I'm just wondering why anyone would want to continue moderating a board when he or she is too busy to enjoy it? Wouldn't the responsibility of moderating be just one more pointless thing to have to worry about? Who would want that? & why? Wouldn't it feel better to just pass it on?

[The Tower]

I just think that if we wanted to be taken seriously as a group, we have to act professional. We do build up the stereotype of those who can't stay with one partner...that spread disease (which I disagree with, BTW), who are flaming "queers". I mean...look at these PRIDE events. I really believe they could raise awareness and actually educate society. But no. It's just a bunch of men in daisy dukes and leather thongs prancing around the street carrying a flag. I think before we can point the finger of those who bash us, we have to fix the preception we give off. We can't change other ppl's mind without changing our own first.
That's a load of ****.

Yes, there are sexy men in pride parades. However, the majority of the participants are groups like the Gay Men's Chorus, PFLAG, Shanti, local council members, representative of government bodies and local celebrities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with people flaunting their sexuality. Heterosexuals do it all day and no one seems to be concerned about whether or not they appear "professional" or what perception they are giving off.

People who choose to gay bash or be homophobic have a problem. And the problem has nothing to do with what the gay community does or doesn't do. Their problem has to do with their fear and ignorance. The gay community is not responsible for the acts of gay bashing and I'm not going to "tone it down" to accommodate some ****ing bigot's ****ed up perception of who I am.

[GateandGarden]

Yes, there are sexy men in pride parades. However, the majority of the participants are groups like the Gay Men's Chorus, PFLAG, Shanti, local council members, representative of government bodies and local celebrities. There's absolutely nothing wrong with people flaunting their sexuality. Heterosexuals do it all day and no one seems to be concerned about whether or not they appear "professional" or what perception they are giving off.

People who choose to gay bash or be homophobic have a problem. And the problem has nothing to do with what the gay community does or doesn't do. Their problem has to do with their fear and ignorance. The gay community is not responsible for the acts of gay bashing and I'm not going to "tone it down" to accommodate some ****ing bigot's ****ed up perception of who I am.Thank you for saying that. I would have defended the parades themselves but I've never been to one and I was commenting only on the types of participants that Curtis mentioned.

[GateandGarden]

I agree, if I don't stick a million smilies in my posts people think I'm being rude.

:D :shrug: :) :) :) :blob1: :]I think that's the reality if you're going to communicate with people via the internet solely. :shrug: You don't have the luxury of using a certain friendly or neutral tone in your voice, or having a kind look in your eyes or anything of the sort. It's harder to show people what your state of mind is when all you have are words on a screen.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Thank you for saying that. I would have defended the parades themselves but I've never been to one and I was commenting only on the types of participants that Curtis mentioned.

A friend of mine who went to the gay pride thing this year said that he will never go back, because all he encountered was old perverts trying to hit on any guy who looked under 25...

Chris

[dissention]

I have a hopeless crush on an actress named Anne Ramsay :o *sigh*

Mama Fratelli? :shocked: :eek:

[macfanken]

Mama Fratelli? :shocked: :eek:

:laugh: That was my first thought!!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/macfanken/mama.jpg

[dissention]

:laugh: That was my first thought!!

Yeah, she gets the ole juices flowing down South for me, too. :o

It's Danny Aiello in drag, I tell you.

[Dreammms]

:laugh: That was my first thought!!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y282/macfanken/mama.jpg


:lol: :lol:
now i gotta put on goonies!

[strandinthewind]

I just think Janet can take up for herself. But you are such a mother hen.... :p

Wanna see me lay an egg :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Mama Fratelli? :shocked: :eek:


In case you had no idea - I am head over heels for you for that :xoxo:

BTW - the night is sultry - don't strangle me on a train :cool:

[dissention]

In case you had no idea - I am head over heels for you for that :xoxo:

BTW - the night is sultry - don't strangle me on a train :cool:

AHHHHHHHHHH! Holy ****! What a dream I was havin'! Louis Armstrong was trying to kill me!

[strandinthewind]

AHHHHHHHHHH! Holy ****! What a dream I was havin'! Louis Armstrong was trying to kill me!


So FEW will get that :xoxo:

[irishgrl]

Well, first of all 'hi'! :wavey: Nothing like jumping right in to the hornet's nest, huh? Hugs to all of you I already know, and warm greetings to the rest of you! I feel as though I know most of you through reading your posts for so long, and will attempt to tone down too much unreciprocated familiarity. I have lurked off and on for years, but this board has been, shall we say, somewhat frightening in the past. Trolls...or whatever...are not what frightened me. It was the hateful, mean spirited attacks that would occur. I guess I'm posting this message here right now to tell you all that I'm impressed with how well you've handled this 'heckler'. Personally, I'd be greatly surprised if this latest incarnation is truly the serious conservative nutcase he is hoping to portray. Nutcase, though indeed. I think someone may be jealous of the popular Ledge posters and it's a sad little attempt to rile them. AND to make fun of conservatives while doing so. (Not that it isn't good sport....) However, if this poster is legit, I suggest we buy prime time air space for him/her to represent the true face of the "W"orshipers.

Anyway, this has been quite enjoyable due to proper Ledgie Troll wrangling! Thanks for the entertainment.

Kelly :)

PS: Sorry, I wrote this before I read Nancy's post. I mean no disrespect to Nancy. It's interesting to see two totally different viewpoints, though. I believe as she does that the 'poster' is actually not a conservative...but the fact that it shines an unflattering (okay..try *ignorant*) light on conservatives does not bother me in the least. If I were a Republican (sorry, but that was hard to type)...and especially if I honestly believed ...not just spewing arrogant hype...I can see where this would have been hurtful and offensive. I wouldn't have liked to read posts by a conservative pretending to be a liberal endorsing sexual freedom for pedophyles....or such nonsense. See what I mean? Well, yeah, what an introduction for myself. A wee tad bit more intense than I'd intended. :sorry:


Hey Kelly, interesting theory you and Nancy are positing....personally, I think it is a textbook case of muckraking, but not by a "misguided liberal"....no, most liberals I know wouldnt even be able to TYPE that crapola rose.gypsy spewed out. Every cliche attitude that the right wing extremists harbor (or the so called "moral majority") was thrown out there specifically to stir up trouble and get a reaction.

my personal opinion is that this person believes what *she* is saying and apparently is familiar with many of the regulars such that she criticizes some websites or takes personal potshots. This was deliberate, it was malicious and it smells.

[dissention]

So FEW will get that :xoxo:

:laugh:

You don't have a Cousin Paddy!

[strandinthewind]

:laugh:

You don't have a Cousin Paddy!

put your coins away and then set the string

[dissention]

put your coins away and then set the string

You big crybaby. Go bury him in the yard before he stinks up the place.

[strandinthewind]

lost a four carat on a boat lately Janeway

[dissention]

lost a four carat on a boat lately Janeway

His guts oozed nice. Like a melted malted. :lol:

[strandinthewind]

His guts oozed nice. Like a melted malted. :lol:


OOOOOWWWWWWWWWREEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNN

[AliP]

Somebody mentioned that this might be the Cayla person. Cayla Kisting (?) or something from awhile back.

Could it be?

Also known as 4buck.

[Janet]

I guess most of you will be happy to know I stepped down. I guess since 1997 I have been on here, but no, I know no one. I have felt very out of the loop with the Ledge and with the world really and I have no business being here.

I usually looked on here and posted alot, as you can see, I do post, I don't have like 50 posts, I have way over 2000. So I didn't come on here every " 6 months" and wag a finger.

I was actually defending the people on here who are gay. I am not gay but I HATE gay bashing. I came on here because "flaming liberals' in ittself looked horribly wrong and it UPSET me. People cared enough to email me privately, which is what usually happens with EACH post I have closed ( and since 2000 I think I have closed like 5 or 6).

But the morale here has totally knocked me down and I am stepping down.

[gldstwmn]

I guess most of you will be happy to know I stepped down. I guess since 1997 I have been on here, but no, I know no one. I have felt very out of the loop with the Ledge and with the world really and I have no business being here.

I usually looked on here and posted alot, as you can see, I do post, I don't have like 50 posts, I have way over 2000. So I didn't come on here every " 6 months" and wag a finger.

I was actually defending the people on here who are gay. I am not gay but I HATE gay bashing. I came on here because "flaming liberals' in ittself looked horribly wrong and it UPSET me. People cared enough to email me privately, which is what usually happens with EACH post I have closed ( and since 2000 I think I have closed like 5 or 6).

But the morale here has totally knocked me down and I am stepping down.

I'm sorry Janet.

[SomeKindaMother]

Hey Kelly, interesting theory you and Nancy are positing....personally, I think it is a textbook case of muckraking, but not by a "misguided liberal"....no, most liberals I know wouldnt even be able to TYPE that crapola rose.gypsy spewed out. Every cliche attitude that the right wing extremists harbor (or the so called "moral majority") was thrown out there specifically to stir up trouble and get a reaction.

my personal opinion is that this person believes what *she* is saying and apparently is familiar with many of the regulars such that she criticizes some websites or takes personal potshots. This was deliberate, it was malicious and it smells.

Hey Mary, :wavey:

I agree that the viewpoints of this poster are those of many right wingers....but I really feel if you read all the posts, you'll see why I believe this person is not one of them. I live smack dab in the middle of red small town, red state, middle America. I know the real thing and honestly, the real thing is a lot more frightening that that thing was. This was obvious goading. If the person were for real, they'd have tried harder to "save" everyone from their evils and would have had LOTS more to say! Don't you think it was odd that this person was a 'church secretary'...and even named the church? And mentioned 'wifely duties? All blatant buttons. So many more, but those were off the top of my head. But hey, I have 5 kids, so I guess I do enjoy me some 'wifely duties'! (Of course since I'm not a conservative, my hubby enjoys them too!)

Actually, I don't particularly care for 'radical' viewpoints on *either* side. In fact, I used to joke that the only thing that could turn me Republican was a left-wing radical! I know they serve their purpose, and middle of the road people like me tend to piss people off on both sides, but the fact remains that people like me are raising open minded, respectful children; responsible, with a good sense of community spirit. There is no place for 'radical' in my life and I wouldn't want it even if there were. So we middle of the road-ers have our place...and I think it's as important as those of you who are out there changing the world hands on. :nod:

[SomeKindaMother]

I guess most of you will be happy to know I stepped down. I guess since 1997 I have been on here, but no, I know no one. I have felt very out of the loop with the Ledge and with the world really and I have no business being here.

I usually looked on here and posted alot, as you can see, I do post, I don't have like 50 posts, I have way over 2000. So I didn't come on here every " 6 months" and wag a finger.

I was actually defending the people on here who are gay. I am not gay but I HATE gay bashing. I came on here because "flaming liberals' in ittself looked horribly wrong and it UPSET me. People cared enough to email me privately, which is what usually happens with EACH post I have closed ( and since 2000 I think I have closed like 5 or 6).

But the morale here has totally knocked me down and I am stepping down.

Hi Janet,

I wish I knew what to say here. Though I've been lurking periodically for a very long time, I don't recognize the undercurrent of this situation. I feel compassion for you and the decision you chose to make. I know it couldn't have been easy...and I also know you intended the best. I'm sorry for your emotional pain, and I hope it eases for you.

Kelly :)

[Janet]

No need to be sorry and there is NO pain.

My feelings are just hurt, but it will end. It's right I step down and I understand the ill feelings some had.

I just wanted to make it known it's only been very recently I haven't been posting and I don't just come around to close threads, that's all:) I never wanted to be someone who was looked at as a downer!

This also isn't a grab for attention. I have checked this thread like 3 times tonight and I am afraid that I look like I just wanted sympathy or to be told I do a great job, no. I have done a poor job and the person I want to take my place IS johnny stew because he posts ALOT more than I do and probably has more time. I only have time at like 4 AM and usually no one else is on.

I DO want to say, nothing is done unless I get some feedback from everyone, especially him. I never closed a thread without asking other members and him. I never wanted to just close it for my own satisfaction or fear.

I just came on here because I really thought 28 pages of arguing is probably excessive and I just ASKED if the thread should be closed. I learned after that that JS totally took care of things really quickly.

I only wanted to say my peace.

[GateandGarden]

I guess most of you will be happy to know I stepped down. I guess since 1997 I have been on here, but no, I know no one. I have felt very out of the loop with the Ledge and with the world really and I have no business being here.

I usually looked on here and posted alot, as you can see, I do post, I don't have like 50 posts, I have way over 2000. So I didn't come on here every " 6 months" and wag a finger.

I was actually defending the people on here who are gay. I am not gay but I HATE gay bashing. I came on here because "flaming liberals' in ittself looked horribly wrong and it UPSET me. People cared enough to email me privately, which is what usually happens with EACH post I have closed ( and since 2000 I think I have closed like 5 or 6).

But the morale here has totally knocked me down and I am stepping down.
I really don't want you to feel that way, Janet. I was thinking that the administrators should give you some help because so much goes on in this forum that it's too much for one person. I never meant to insinuate that you should throw in the towel. I wasn't "happy" to read that you had stepped down. And it's so untrue that you have "no business being here." On the basis of what? You've been here a long time and everyone who hasn't broken rules repeatedly is welcome here, anyway.

I really do appreciate that you have a big problem with all the gay bashing. There aren't enough people who feel that way and it's not out of necessity because they are gay. That doesn't go unappreciated.

This also isn't a grab for attention. I have checked this thread like 3 times tonight and I am afraid that I look like I just wanted sympathy or to be told I do a great job, no.I understand, but I couldn't let that go without saying something, not because I'm haughty enough to think that you would ever need my sympathy but because I thought this needed to be said.

My feelings are just hurt, but it will end.I really am sorry about that. Like pretty much any debate on the internet, this was not something worth hurting someone's feelings over.

[irishgrl]

Hey Mary, :wavey:

I agree that the viewpoints of this poster are those of many right wingers....but I really feel if you read all the posts, you'll see why I believe this person is not one of them. I live smack dab in the middle of red small town, red state, middle America. I know the real thing and honestly, the real thing is a lot more frightening that that thing was. This was obvious goading. If the person were for real, they'd have tried harder to "save" everyone from their evils and would have had LOTS more to say! Don't you think it was odd that this person was a 'church secretary'...and even named the church? And mentioned 'wifely duties? All blatant buttons. So many more, but those were off the top of my head. But hey, I have 5 kids, so I guess I do enjoy me some 'wifely duties'! (Of course since I'm not a conservative, my hubby enjoys them too!)

Actually, I don't particularly care for 'radical' viewpoints on *either* side. In fact, I used to joke that the only thing that could turn me Republican was a left-wing radical! I know they serve their purpose, and middle of the road people like me tend to piss people off on both sides, but the fact remains that people like me are raising open minded, respectful children; responsible, with a good sense of community spirit. There is no place for 'radical' in my life and I wouldn't want it even if there were. So we middle of the road-ers have our place...and I think it's as important as those of you who are out there changing the world hands on. :nod:

Hey Kelly, Im glad there are mom's like you that are raising kids with open minds and common sense! I try to do the same, but I throw in tree hugging, women's rights, and children's issues as well :)

I know that people on the right fringe say things that are far worse than this poster did, but I tell you: NO liberal I know would even bother to rile up this many fellow liberals just for ****s and giggles....no, I must respectfully disagree....even if the poster didnt say things as bad as you've heard in your red town/red state, I myself attribute that to either young age or true ignorance of the entire right wing radical agenda. This person with a small mind probably lives in a small town and hasnt bothered to look at the bigger right wing agenda, therefore isnt as dangerous (so to speak)

I restricted myself to one reply as you know, and even that was tongue in cheek :] As for being a Moderate, me Saintly Mother always told me:
All things in Moderation! Welcome btw :wavey:

[DrummerDeanna]

Mama Fratelli? :shocked: :eek:


I hate you ;) :xoxo:

Actually THIS is the Anne Ramsay I am talking about:

http://www.bettercomics.com/images/conventions/dallas02_11.jpg

She used to bill herself as Anne Elizabeth Ramsay to I guess cut down on the confusion...but yeah - mama fratelli doesn't do it for me :laugh:

[ontheEdgeof17]

No need to be sorry and there is NO pain.

My feelings are just hurt, but it will end. It's right I step down and I understand the ill feelings some had.

I just wanted to make it known it's only been very recently I haven't been posting and I don't just come around to close threads, that's all:) I never wanted to be someone who was looked at as a downer!

This also isn't a grab for attention. I have checked this thread like 3 times tonight and I am afraid that I look like I just wanted sympathy or to be told I do a great job, no. I have done a poor job and the person I want to take my place IS johnny stew because he posts ALOT more than I do and probably has more time. I only have time at like 4 AM and usually no one else is on.

I DO want to say, nothing is done unless I get some feedback from everyone, especially him. I never closed a thread without asking other members and him. I never wanted to just close it for my own satisfaction or fear.

I just came on here because I really thought 28 pages of arguing is probably excessive and I just ASKED if the thread should be closed. I learned after that that JS totally took care of things really quickly.

I only wanted to say my peace.


I don't want ya to leave. :wavey: I apologize if my question blew everything out of proportion. It wasn't an attack on you on a personal level.

[catinthedark]

I guess most of you will be happy to know I stepped down. I guess since 1997 I have been on here, but no, I know no one. I have felt very out of the loop with the Ledge and with the world really and I have no business being here.

I usually looked on here and posted alot, as you can see, I do post, I don't have like 50 posts, I have way over 2000. So I didn't come on here every " 6 months" and wag a finger.

I was actually defending the people on here who are gay. I am not gay but I HATE gay bashing. I came on here because "flaming liberals' in ittself looked horribly wrong and it UPSET me. People cared enough to email me privately, which is what usually happens with EACH post I have closed ( and since 2000 I think I have closed like 5 or 6).

But the morale here has totally knocked me down and I am stepping down.

You know what the saddest thing about this is? This thread was started by a loser troll. Personally, I think it's wrong that it has come to this.

I also have to say that I think the "real" Ledgies were handling this thread just fine. I didn't think it needed to be closed. Everyone was fully aware there was a loser troll in our midst. Some people were having fun with it, some were taking it on. As we can all see, it didn't last long. It came, it stirred up sh*t, it crawled back under its rock. I'm not saying that what it was spewing forth was in any way right or justified, but there wasn't a single Ledgie who didn't see it for what it was. And there wasn't a single Ledgie (that I saw, and correct me if I'm wrong) who joined the troll in its diatribe.

Anyway, Janet, I think it's very sad that this was the outcome of this thread. In my opinion, it's made the troll the winner. :shrug:

[GardenStateGirlie]

Janet, I wish you wouldn't go :distress:

[sodascouts]

It's rather bizarre, ain't it?

How can someone moderate a message board without keeping pretty current on reading it? In order to moderate properly, you would need to know the personalities & styles of the people who use the board as well as have a strong feel for the overall atmosphere -- the give & take that the regs engage in -- so that you would know what they're serious about & what they're just joking about. You'd also need to be able to recognize one-time-pop-in trolls from the regs. You need to engage in fairly frequent conversation on the board, too, so that the rest of the board comes to know you.

I don't know how janet can do any of that. In fact, I don't think she can. To just show up every four or six months in order to wag a finger & close a thread is sort of ... goofy? at best, pointless?

Well, I can't speak for Janet here, but it's been my experience that finding a moderator who 1) is willing to actively engage in the board and 2) is a non-controversial figure is VERY, VERY hard. You can't just pick anyone, and the people who you usually want most to do it don't have the time and/or the inclination. So we're stuck with what we can get.

It's not fun to be a moderator. People resent you. And if you have any kind of a personality at all, you'll make enemies who will think you're abusing your power, which causes more trouble and misery all around. It's the nature of the beast: if you post a lot, you're bound to have stepped on some toes. Then it becomes about personality rather than about the issue at hand. Who would want to do that, to open themselves up to such hostility? Johnny Stew is a perfect example. With all his tact, he's still sniffed at, derided, and bad-mouthed behind closed doors by people who think he was too heavy-handed with them.

But at least Janet does swoop in occasionally. Look at the other forums - Barbara posts like six days out of the year! And when she does post, it's about how we all should check out the website of ANTOHER moderator who rarely posts (but admittedly Les is comparatively active for a moderator - I see her around maybe once every six weeks or so). When fights break out on the Lindsey forum, Johnny Stew has to come over. In fact he does almost everything on this board with 2000 members. It's unfair to him and perhaps someone should step up and volunteer to help rather than criticizing.

[Janet]

So having 2300 plus posts is just me swooping in? It's less than some of you but I have posted quite a bit. Again, just RECENTLY I haven't been around.

And plus, don't most of you think if I really KNEW all of you, I could remain objective about things? Being a semi stranger ( not to the boards, but to each of you) let's me just be able to look at things without making judgement calls.

AND-for the last time, PEOPLE emailed me with this thread. I didn't go looking for something to do. People were concerned. Never, ever did I just look at a thread and close it. I usually get an email, I read it myself, I post something and ask Johnny Stew what he thinks( fairly, he is the only moderator around, the others are usually not as much). THAT's how it's done.

[sodascouts]

So having 2300 plus posts is just me swooping in? It's less than some of you but I have posted quite a bit. Again, just RECENTLY I haven't been around.

And plus, don't most of you think if I really KNEW all of you, I could remain objective about things? Being a semi stranger ( not to the boards, but to each of you) let's me just be able to look at things without making judgement calls.

AND-for the last time, PEOPLE emailed me with this thread. I didn't go looking for something to do. People were concerned. Never, ever did I just look at a thread and close it. I usually get an email, I read it myself, I post something and ask Johnny Stew what he thinks( fairly, he is the only moderator around, the others are usually not as much). THAT's how it's done.

Sorry, maybe "swooping in" was a poor choice of words. I actually was trying to defend you but it might have come out wrong. You are by far more dilligent than all the other moderators combined except for Johnny Stew. Vianna and Mario do their share of posting but not much conflict management (although in Mario's case it's probably never necessary). At least you take your job seriously enough to make an effort at keeping the peace, and do come in when you're needed instead of shrugging it off because you don't really have time to read the boards anymore. I looked at your posting history and you do post more than I originally thought - I just hadn't visited a lot of the threads you posted in. So I apologize - you do more than "swoop in."

[SuzeQuze]

I guess most of you will be happy to know I stepped down. I guess since 1997 I have been on here, but no, I know no one. I have felt very out of the loop with the Ledge and with the world really and I have no business being here.

I usually looked on here and posted alot, as you can see, I do post, I don't have like 50 posts, I have way over 2000. So I didn't come on here every " 6 months" and wag a finger.

I was actually defending the people on here who are gay. I am not gay but I HATE gay bashing. I came on here because "flaming liberals' in ittself looked horribly wrong and it UPSET me. People cared enough to email me privately, which is what usually happens with EACH post I have closed ( and since 2000 I think I have closed like 5 or 6).

But the morale here has totally knocked me down and I am stepping down.

Janet, I'm sorry this thread made you feel bad. I haven't read through it just because I knew it would offend me by its title. I have read select posts though and some haven't been pretty. I even replied to this poster telling him/her to go to hell. I don't know why we take the bait from trolls here but sometimes we do. I guess just because we cannot let what is said, when it is so inflammatory, go.

Personally I don't mind the way you moderate. I don't like feeling that everything is being watched as though we were children. I've never felt that way here and would resent it if moderation began to get more nit picky.

Also, I'm not sure why you are so disconnected from the world but that makes me sad and I hope you can reconnect ASAP. Take care.

[mylittledemon]

Well Good Lord, of course you feel disassociated with most of the people on here. Most of us don't truly know one another...we're all chatters in a forum basically. Many of us have been on here for years...I myself started reading this forum back in early 2000 and joined with TISL came out.

I wouldn't say I feel "close" to anyone here. I would love to meet a lot of the people that regularly post...and I'll back some of you up if someone is undeservingly dogging ya...but don't expect me to cry over anyone.

[Janet]

Oh I read these posts and some of you know each other really well and that is really cool. This board is really cool. I just love how some of you are so funny and get along etc. If you look at the scheme of things, there are NEVER problems which is why I don't feel like I need to watch things closely.

BUT if someone emails me, it just takes one person, I will look. I don't want people, esp those who post alot and are around alot, to feel that they are uncomfortable.

I just am trying to defend myself in a way so I can still post here and not feel that you all think I just came in, closed threads and said *uck you all. It was NEVER like that.

[David]

I just am trying to defend myself in a way so I can still post here and not feel that you all think I just came in, closed threads and said *uck you all. It was NEVER like that.Of course not, J. Nobody thought that. You've been around since '97.

I tried to make clear my curiosity as to why anyone would want to moderate a board that he or she didn't have time to play around with anymore. It would seem like an unnecessary burden at that point.

[sara1998]

Boy, this thread has gone to hell in a handbasket...... :laugh:

[SomeKindaMother]

QUOTE: Hey Kelly, Im glad there are mom's like you that are raising kids with open minds and common sense! I try to do the same, but I throw in tree hugging, women's rights, and children's issues as well

I know that people on the right fringe say things that are far worse than this poster did, but I tell you: NO liberal I know would even bother to rile up this many fellow liberals just for ****s and giggles....no, I must respectfully disagree....even if the poster didnt say things as bad as you've heard in your red town/red state, I myself attribute that to either young age or true ignorance of the entire right wing radical agenda. This person with a small mind probably lives in a small town and hasnt bothered to look at the bigger right wing agenda, therefore isnt as dangerous (so to speak)


I believe an open mind is absolutely essential, and that every situation deserves to be evaluated based solely upon its own individual merit. I have little tolerance for judgmental folks and possibly that is why I see this particular poster as a phony….which regardless of whether or not he agreed with the crap he was spewing, I think we both agree he was a ‘phony’. I also don’t see how to classify an entire sect of people (ie: liberals) as having the same personality, because I simply see this person’s trolling as being reflective of a bad personality and no ‘life’. Even some liberals fit into that category. ;) ;) And I think he was trying to get a reaction out of Ledgies…not so much ‘liberals’….he just knew what buttons to push.

Although of course I have no way of knowing that, and could easily be wrong. :shrug: That’s just how I see it. Though I hadn’t considered that the poster might be young and too immature to write anything better. Regardless, they were probably not being honest, as I don’t for a minute believe this person was a church secretary….or even necessarily female. It does sound a lot like Cayla from days of ole, though doesn’t it? But then I never believed ‘she’ was for real either…just a troll who enjoyed causing trouble. “She” hated Jews, Catholics, Gays, democrats, working mothers, anyone who had sex outside marriage, and pretty much anyone who wasn’t a Baptist Republican. She also had too many inconsistencies in her stories for me to believe. But it was entertaining for a time. ;) Maybe I’m being naïve, but honestly, it’s better for the blood pressure if you take these things with humor. We won’t change the ‘hard core’ anyway, soo…

QUOTE: I restricted myself to one reply as you know, and even that was tongue in cheek As for being a Moderate, me Saintly Mother always told me:
All things in Moderation!

You are mellowing, aren’t you! Oh no, what’s next??

QUOTE: Welcome btw

Thank you Mary!!

I'm sorry for the whole other situation here. I feel quite uncomfortable about it... almost like I should probably pretend I'm not hearing someone else's private conversation. But all the same I feel it is impolite not to mention it at all. I'm sorry that anyone ever felt offended enough to report this particular thread in the first place, since I thought the long time Ledgies had usurped control anyway. I know I would never want to be in the position of moderating any board....especially one of this magnitude. As a moderator you are in a lose/lose situation, sort of like an umpire. No matter what you do, you'll piss someone off. I feel for you Janet, and all moderators. And when it all boils down, we are all here because we love the Mac...right? That alone gives us a common denominator that holds us up above the general population! :thumbsup:

Kelly :)

[strandinthewind]

So having 2300 plus posts is just me swooping in? It's less than some of you but I have posted quite a bit. Again, just RECENTLY I haven't been around.

And plus, don't most of you think if I really KNEW all of you, I could remain objective about things? Being a semi stranger ( not to the boards, but to each of you) let's me just be able to look at things without making judgement calls.

AND-for the last time, PEOPLE emailed me with this thread. I didn't go looking for something to do. People were concerned. Never, ever did I just look at a thread and close it. I usually get an email, I read it myself, I post something and ask Johnny Stew what he thinks( fairly, he is the only moderator around, the others are usually not as much). THAT's how it's done.

I think you are FABULOUS and fair. I know the number of times we had talked publicly and privately and I know that we do not always agree but you have ALWAYS treated me fairly. Thus, I respect and admire you and call you friend! :woohoo:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Don't feed the trolls, people.

Ok Josh...come on now man! I was NEVER this bad. This is just horrid! Where was I during all of this? :lol:

[GateandGarden]

Ok Josh...come on now man! I was NEVER this bad. This is just horrid!I don't think this person was ever serious.

And, damn, was it fun! :D

"Memories..."

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I don't think this person was ever serious.

And, damn, was it fun! :D

"Memories..."

I didn't think this person could have been too serious. But I was like, "ON DEAR LORD" when I read what they had posted! They didn't even sound coherent! I would like to think that I come off as having at least SOME knowledge of current affairs!

:laugh:

[catinthedark]

Damn. I got all excited when I saw this thread - I thought rose.gypsy was back!! :laugh: She was good for some laughs, that's for sure.

[irishgrl]

Brwn_eyes, WHY did you resurrect THIS piece of crap?
and this
Where was I during all of this? :lol:
is a good question. Where WERE you during all of that? you wouldnt by chance have a multiple personality would you?

[GateandGarden]

Brwn_eyes, WHY did you resurrect THIS piece of crap?
and this

is a good question. Where WERE you during all of that? you wouldnt by chance have a multiple personality would you?:lol::lol::lol:

Well, as for why he resurrected it, I'm guessing it's because he noticed that I sat here and read through it for about fifteen or twenty minutes late last night.

[ryan8472]

Damn. I got all excited when I saw this thread - I thought rose.gypsy was back!! :laugh: She was good for some laughs, that's for sure.
Me too! :laugh:

I loved this thread. Sooooo much fun. :nod: :laugh:

[DavidMn]

Me too! :laugh:

I loved this thread. Sooooo much fun. :nod: :laugh:
Hey and thank you for posting. Otherwise I probably wouldnt hve even read this. :lol:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

:lol::lol::lol:

Well, as for why he resurrected it, I'm guessing it's because he noticed that I sat here and read through it for about fifteen or twenty minutes late last night.

Hillary...you got it! haha

It said you were looking at the thread...which I didn't know what it was...so I just took a look and HAD to respond when I read the first post! :lol:

This was when I took my extended break from The Ledge.

[dissention]

Thanks for bumping this, I was always particularly proud of my Neverland crack in the beginning of this thread.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Thanks for bumping this, I was always particularly proud of my Neverland crack in the beginning of this thread.

Yea that was funny! :nod:

Was it yours?....

[dissention]

Was it yours?....

Nope, my crack was never at Neverland. :p

[DavidMn]

Thanks for bumping this, I was always particularly proud of my Neverland crack in the beginning of this thread.
Believe me, I laughed loud and long when I read that. :laugh: :lol:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Nope, my crack was never at Neverland. :p

smarty... :)

I mean was it your joke?

[sara1998]

Brwn_eyes, WHY did you resurrect THIS piece of crap?
and this

is a good question. Where WERE you during all of that? you wouldnt by chance have a multiple personality would you?
I was thinking the other night that Brown eye and rose were one in the same.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I was thinking the other night that Brown eye and rose were one in the same.

:laugh: That's funny!

I'm not a bumbling fool...so therefore I'm not this rose person! You know this isn't some giant conspiracy. But of course this happened when I was away...so I suppose you can believe what you want.

[dissention]

:laugh: That's funny!

I'm not a bumbling fool...so therefore I'm not this rose person! You know this isn't some giant conspiracy. But of course this happened when I was away...so I suppose you can believe what you want.

For what it's worth, I don't think it was you. As sorely misguided as you might be, you've got the balls to say that kind of stuff under your normal username.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

For what it's worth, I don't think it was you. As sorely misguided as you might be, you've got the balls to say that kind of stuff under your normal username.

Thanks...I think! :D :xoxo:

But I would have at least worded myself better than that person! I mean she was obviously doing all of this as a joke...or at least I hope so. Or maybe it was someone, already a member, who kind of missed me so thought they could fill the gap...you can't take fill MY shoes! :lol: