Tonights Show---SPOILER-SORRY I FORGOT

[GardenStateGirlie]

oh so you are thinking while on stage with waddy and lindsey she was watching lindsey and was happy she had waddy beside her?

Yes, because much like Lindsey, Waddy knew her before she became superstar Stevie Nicks. I think she finds a lot of comfort in that.

[Kelly]

Yes, because much like Lindsey, Waddy knew her before she became superstar Stevie Nicks. I think she finds a lot of comfort in that.


Waddy was around during alot of the relationship breakdown too.
Waddy tells the story about walking in to his back room and finding her crying and she sings him part of the new songs she had written, Landslide...the song she wrote about Lindsey.
IMHO, back in the early seventies was when Lindsey was extremely controlling and Waddy was there. Interestingly, Waddy and LB are still very close as well.

[glitter_fades]

The written word is not the spoken word. Context, time, place are all left to assumption unless you were there when she said this. If you think about all the things Stevie says as being non-sequiturs and stream of conscience...the way she talks...it's not hard to see what she's getting at. This is not about one time or one place or one situation. She is talking about an overall emotion of things that have played out in her life. Waddy being on stage with her as a solo is part of this, but it's not the point of that passage...imo.

[GardenStateGirlie]

The written word is not the spoken word. Context, time, place are all left to assumption unless you were there when she said this. If you think about all the things Stevie says as being non-sequitors and stream of conscience...the way she talks...it's not hard to see what she's getting at.

Exactly. Not to mention...his word was law...lover of the Rolling Stones (how many Stones songs did Lindsey cover for GOS??)

[Kelly]

Exactly. Not to mention...his word was law...lover of the Rolling Stones (how many Stones songs did Lindsey cover for GOS??)


Ayatollah Lindsey anyone? "Who is the Master?"

[WelshWitchPMD]

Exactly. Not to mention...his word was law...lover of the Rolling Stones (how many Stones songs did Lindsey cover for GOS??)

Not to mention that Waddy was part of Keith Richard's band in the 90s. :shrug:

[glitter_fades]

Not to mention that Waddy was part of Keith Richard's band in the 90s. :shrug:

That works. :nod:

I guess when it comes to reading Stevie I read her from a viewpoint that assumes a certain volume of information acquired across a long period of time. Everyone has come across their info differently and at different times. Many assumptions can be valid. I try to apply Ackham's Razor to most things I make assumptions about. Problem with that is nothing with Stevie is simple or obvious unless, like me, you think Stevie has been hiding in plain sight all along.

:)

[krrrby]

Speaking of everyone getting rid of I need to know...I don't think you want to wish that to go away...she sang it pretty much like red rocks where she throws out her hands and she yelled out "WELLITHINKYOUSHOULDKNOW!!!!"

It was good...
She screamed out the take your violet and blue (but it only came onto the mic at) mornings with you!

[StevieNicksEO17]

Okay, I got sick of reading so I read up until page 13. I didn't see anyone that said they took pictures, but I took a bunch so I will post those and a review in a little bit. :blob2:

[WelshWitchPMD]

That works. :nod:

I guess when it comes to reading Stevie I read her from a viewpoint that assumes a certain volume of information acquired across a long period of time. Everyone has come across their info differently and at different times. Many assumptions can be valid. I try to apply Ackham's Razor to most things I make assumptions about. Problem with that is nothing with Stevie is simple or obvious unless, like me, you think Stevie has been hiding in plain sight all along.

:)

Waddy talks a bit about the Stones and wanting to be a real rocker right here. It will not let me copy and paste but if you go down to almost the end you will see what I mean. Waddy did not want anything to to with 'velvet fountains" he was a Street Fighting Man. :lol:
http://fleetwoodmac.net/penguin/waddy_2.htm

[krrrby]

I didn't take any photos...but I'm sure some will pop up because A LOT of ppl were taking them

[Glittermoondust]

She did have boots on last night for Rock and Roll and BATB.......When she walked off the stage during BATB I saw them from the back--you could also see that she still had her pants on under her BATB robe :) As for pix........well they didn't check anyone which was cool. I was so worried about that because someone posted about metal detectors-didn't see any...... I wish I would have known because I would have brought more than one camera with me. Okay--about my camera--I must have taken over 200 pix in the last week to figure the darn thing out (special scene modes, focus lock, etc. etc.) and my photos still didn't turn out the best :( I'm about ready to throw the darn thing against the wall!! Okay--so it might be my fault because I was so excited and nervous and they seemed to be letting everyone take photos--I was just in Heaven!! I probably was shaky and I know I forgot to the focus lock thingy :( :( Digitals cameras are just too complicated--whatever happened to press the button and go!! :lol: But I've got the settings down pretty good so I don't know really what I did wrong. I know I forgot to zoom--which my husband was like--Ummmm--zoom in a little!! So when I did that they turned out a little nicer......I swear she knew when I was going to take a photo though--because she either moved, turned away, or closed her eyes.......I have a few that are like--okay--that would have been awesome if her darn eyes were open!!! Well during HAEWAFY I believe--security starting yelling at people--we got told to put them away!! So chicken me didn't even try again after that--so long story short--I missed the pants (AGAIN!!), I missed Edge (but I did get to shake her hand again and my friend next to me gave her a bracelet which she grabbed so fast and slipped on her wrist!! ha ha), and I also missed BATB (AGAIN!!!) I'm beginning to think I should just hang it up and forget about pictures--seriously!! I just get so stressed out about it all and I get so upset when they turn out like crap!! And I am seriously looking into buying that other camera again that I mentioned that I took back a while ago...... I guess I'm lucky I got at least a couple nice shots.........I'm going to try and post them again if I can figure out how..... My friend Shel helped me last time but this time I have 34 pix so I don't know if she will help me again!! :lol: I'll figure something out though...... And Sorcerer should definitely STAY!! I'm sorry--but I just LOVE that song--that and the pants were probably the highlight of my night--oh and also Circle Dance--although I was waiting for someone to harmonize with her ala Henley......... :)

Amy

[Lee]

She did have boots on last night for Rock and Roll and BATB.......When she walked off the stage during BATB I saw them from the back--you could also see that she still had her pants on under her BATB robe :) As for pix........well they didn't check anyone which was cool. I was so worried about that because someone posted about metal detectors-didn't see any...... I wish I would have known because I would have brought more than one camera with me. Okay--about my camera--I must have taken over 200 pix in the last week to figure the darn thing out (special scene modes, focus lock, etc. etc.) and my photos still didn't turn out the best :( I'm about ready to throw the darn thing against the wall!! Okay--so it might be my fault because I was so excited and nervous and they seemed to be letting everyone take photos--I was just in Heaven!! I probably was shaky and I know I forgot to the focus lock thingy :( :( Digitals cameras are just too complicated--whatever happened to press the button and go!! :lol: But I've got the settings down pretty good so I don't know really what I did wrong. I know I forgot to zoom--which my husband was like--Ummmm--zoom in a little!! So when I did that they turned out a little nicer......I swear she knew when I was going to take a photo though--because she either moved, turned away, or closed her eyes.......I have a few that are like--okay--that would have been awesome if her darn eyes were open!!! Well during HAEWAFY I believe--security starting yelling at people--we got told to put them away!! So chicken me didn't even try again after that--so long story short--I missed the pants (AGAIN!!), I missed Edge (but I did get to shake her hand again and my friend next to me gave her a bracelet which she grabbed so fast and slipped on her wrist!! ha ha), and I also missed BATB (AGAIN!!!) I'm beginning to think I should just hang it up and forget about pictures--seriously!! I just get so stressed out about it all and I get so upset when they turn out like crap!! And I am seriously looking into buying that other camera again that I mentioned that I took back a while ago...... I guess I'm lucky I got at least a couple nice shots.........I'm going to try and post them again if I can figure out how..... My friend Shel helped me last time but this time I have 34 pix so I don't know if she will help me again!! :lol: I'll figure something out though...... And Sorcerer should definitely STAY!! I'm sorry--but I just LOVE that song--that and the pants were probably the highlight of my night--oh and also Circle Dance--although I was waiting for someone to harmonize with her ala Henley......... :)

Amy

Thanks for the review. I couldn't go through all the pages, but I just had to comment on the digital camera thing. I had the same kind of trouble when I went to the Henley/Nicks show in Philly, only I was too far away probably. I've been trying to get some tips on taking digital pictures at concerts, so if anyone has any tips, please feel free to post. For instance, they say that you shouldn't have flash on because you wind up taken pictures of the backs of people's heads. (This was me.) But the problem with this is you have to keep the camera steady or the pic will blur. :shrug: And you can't use a tripod at a concert. They say to try to steady the camera against yourself using your elbows or look in the viewfinder as this will steady the camera more. I, too, have a lot of modes & settings on my camera that are driving me crazy to learn. I have a concert coming up this Thursday & I want to take some good pictures. So I've been practicing on my dog in the house with the different settings :lol: Luckily he doesn't mind getting his picture taken.

Lee :)

[Glittermoondust]

Thanks for the review. I couldn't go through all the pages, but I just had to comment on the digital camera thing. I had the same kind of trouble when I went to the Henley/Nicks show in Philly, only I was too far away probably. I've been trying to get some tips on taking digital pictures at concerts, so if anyone has any tips, please feel free to post. For instance, they say that you shouldn't have flash on because you wind up taken pictures of the backs of people's heads. (This was me.) But the problem with this is you have to keep the camera steady or the pic will blur. :shrug: And you can't use a tripod at a concert. They say to try to steady the camera against yourself using your elbows or look in the viewfinder as this will steady the camera more. I, too, have a lot of modes & settings on my camera that are driving me crazy to learn. I have a concert coming up this Thursday & I want to take some good pictures. So I've been practicing on my dog in the house with the different settings :lol: Luckily he doesn't mind getting his picture taken.

Lee :)


:lol: That is soooo funny!! Actually the photos I took last night I did use flash and I had way better results than last time.... I just can't keep the camera still without the flash..... we were in the first row so heads weren't an issue..... On the other hand--me forgetting to zoom in on the first like 10 pix was an issue :( I got a kick out of your post though because I practiced like crazy on my cats this week!! Unfortunately my cats don't move as fast as Stevie :rolleyes: And the thing that really ticked me off is that I couldn't take a blurry picture at home using the automatic mode--yet they were still blurry at the show--I don't get it...... unless its because I was so excited like I said and forgot about the focus lock :( So that would be my one little tip--don't forgot about the focus lock!!! But when you are trying to hide a camera it is hard to be able to just take your time.......and when it comes to Stevie and front row my brain just kind of went numb--seriously!! I knew that camera like the back of my hand but I almost forgot how to turn the darn thing on when I actually got there!! And then I was just clicking away--so slow down and think a little bit about what you are doing!! ha ha Of course then you miss half the shots like I did. And you know--I was all ready for the Stand Back kick--had her on the LCD screen--was ready to click and then--ARGHHHH!!! She moved out of my frame :( So I missed it!! Stevie actually moves around a lot--very figgety like--but she was beautiful last night :)

Amy

[glitter_fades]

Waddy talks a bit about the Stones and wanting to be a real rocker right here. It will not let me copy and paste but if you go down to almost the end you will see what I mean. Waddy did not want anything to to with 'velvet fountains" he was a Street Fighting Man. :lol:
http://fleetwoodmac.net/penguin/waddy_2.htm

Thanks. I've read that interview before and it just solidifies in my mind what I think she was talking about in that passage everyone uses to prove she and Waddy had a romance. If everything Waddy says in that interview is as sincere as I think it is, then I have no dobut about Waddy's place in Stevie's world. He's been around a long time and I think he's a very loyal and supportive friend. The part where he talks about quitting BN and wanting to play real rock n roll (Stones and stuff) not the velvet fountain ****...that is very meaningful. He goes on to say how he tried to talk somebody else into joining him in that pursuit (somebody who shared similar musical tastes and a desire to play real rock and not chick rock... hmmm? ) but he was not able to convince that player to leave with him. Yes, I'd say this interview with Waddy reveals a lot about his relationship with Stevie. It reveals a lot about what being on stage with her in her solo career has meant to her.

:nod:

[WelshWitchPMD]

The part where he talks about quitting BN and wanting to play real rock n roll (Stones and stuff) not the velvet fountain ****...that is very meaningful. He goes on to say how he tried to talk somebody else into joining him in that pursuit (somebody who shared similar musical tastes and a desire to play real rock and not chick rock... hmmm? ) but he was not able to convince that player to leave with him.
:nod:

Where did he say that? He said that it bothered "him" meaning Waddy It did not seem to bother a certain other guy. Waddy was the Stones lover and real rocker and what would be the big deal if Stevie did ever love Waddy? :shrug:

[Lee]

:lol: That is soooo funny!! Actually the photos I took last night I did use flash and I had way better results than last time.... I just can't keep the camera still without the flash..... we were in the first row so heads weren't an issue..... On the other hand--me forgetting to zoom in on the first like 10 pix was an issue :( I got a kick out of your post though because I practiced like crazy on my cats this week!! Unfortunately my cats don't move as fast as Stevie :rolleyes: And the thing that really ticked me off is that I couldn't take a blurry picture at home using the automatic mode--yet they were still blurry at the show--I don't get it...... unless its because I was so excited like I said and forgot about the focus lock :( So that would be my one little tip--don't forgot about the focus lock!!! But when you are trying to hide a camera it is hard to be able to just take your time.......and when it comes to Stevie and front row my brain just kind of went numb--seriously!! I knew that camera like the back of my hand but I almost forgot how to turn the darn thing on when I actually got there!! And then I was just clicking away--so slow down and think a little bit about what you are doing!! ha ha Of course then you miss half the shots like I did. And you know--I was all ready for the Stand Back kick--had her on the LCD screen--was ready to click and then--ARGHHHH!!! She moved out of my frame :( So I missed it!! Stevie actually moves around a lot--very figgety like--but she was beautiful last night :)

Amy

Yes, sometimes it just makes me want to use my automatic 35 mm camera with 800 speed film. You can get anybody racing around the stage with this. I've really been seriously thinking about bringing it with me for the show Thursday as a back up. I don't think this venue has any kind of restrictions on camera usage because I used the 35 mm camera at this venue when Blondie was there & the pictures came out great. Of course it helped that I was close, too.

Thanks for the tip about the focus lock. I have practiced with this, too. You know what they say, practice makes perfect. :nod:

Lee :)

[glitter_fades]

what would be the big deal if Stevie did ever love Waddy? :shrug:

None. I think she did and does. It is no big deal. :wavey:

[EnchantedSLN]

(but I did get to shake her hand again and my friend next to me gave her a bracelet which she grabbed so fast and slipped on her wrist!! ha ha)

Can't wait to see the pics Amy :). What kind of bracelet did your friend give her?

[Johnny Stew]

I think she is talking about Waddy. :shrug:Nah, that's too simple, Pattie. It's much more fun to put two and two together to get eight! ;)

[glitter_fades]

Nah, that's too simple, Pattie. It's much more fun to put two and two together to get eight! ;)

Hey, I agree, :nod: but how does that passage we were originally talking about prove your equation? Where was that taken from and what is the context, time frame, and surrounding information? That was not a statement made out of the blue. Do either of you know the rest of the equation? Like I pointed out before, the spoken word and the written word are different. Putting up some words out of context to prove something you believe but don't know the full picture of, does not make a balanced equation. If you can show me the rest of where you took those words from, I would agree it all adds up if the context is supportive. I like to be properly informed so I'd like to stand corrected if the supporting details show she was talking directly and totally about Waddy there. When I re-read Waddy's interview here from the link that was provided, it did not change my view. I looked at the entire context of his interview and came away with a the same opinion I had about Stevie and Waddy and some of the other people he talked about. If you can give me a link and I can read the context of that other passage we were discussing, maybe that would bring me around. :shrug:

Seems this is not just simple math but more like solving equations using unknowns. Algebra and simple addition are not the same operation.

:wavey:

[WelshWitchPMD]

Nah, that's too simple, Pattie. It's much more fun to put two and two together to get eight! ;)

Fuzzy math?? I know that I not the brightest at math but :shrug:

[Johnny Stew]

Hey, I agree, :nod: but how does that passage we were originally talking about prove your equation?If I understood correctly... and maybe I didn't... you were expressing the opinion that, while Stevie mentions Waddy specifically in the 'Timespace' liner notes, it is, instead, Lindsey she's talking about.

But I think sometimes a spade is just a spade. :shrug:

[WelshWitchPMD]

Hey, I agree, :nod: but how does that passage we were originally talking about prove your equation? Where was that taken from and what is the context, time frame, and surrounding information? That was not a statement made out of the blue. Do either of you know the rest of the equation? Like I pointed out before, the spoken word and the written word are different. Putting up some words out of context to prove something you believe but don't know the full picture of, does not make a balanced equation. If you can show me the rest of where you took those words from, I would agree it all adds up if the context is supportive. I like to be properly informed so I'd like to stand corrected if the supporting details show she was talking directly and totally about Waddy there. When I re-read Waddy's interview here from the link that was provided, it did not change my view. I looked at the entire context of his interview and came away with a the same opinion I had about Stevie and Waddy and some of the other people he talked about. If you can give me a link and I can read the context of that other passage we were discussing, maybe that would bring me around. :shrug:

Seems this is not just simple math but more like solving equations using unknowns. Algebra and simple addition are not the same operation.

:wavey:

You got me? I have no idea what passage you are even talking about now? :laugh: All that I was saying was that in her liner notes for "If Anyone Falls" she talks about someone who fits Waddy's description. If we are not talking about the same thing I am sorry. I don't care if Stevie was in love with or not in love Waddy. It is just that it seems to fit Waddy to a T.
Maybe she really was talking about Mick and I just did not pick up on it. :shrug: Silly me.

[glitter_fades]

If I understood correctly... and maybe I didn't... you were expressing the opinion that, while Stevie mentions Waddy specifically in the 'Timespace' liner notes, it is, instead, Lindsey she's talking about.

But I think sometimes a spade is just a spade. :shrug:

Oh, no! Are we going back to the Timespace liner notes again? :eek:

:] :] :] :]

As I said before, timing, context, ect. are part of the equation. I'll stick with algebra and you can do sums. It's all good. :lol: :xoxo:

:wavey:

[Johnny Stew]

Oh, no! Are we going back to the Timespace liner notes again? :eek:The 'Timespace' quote was the "original passage" you were referring to when you said the following, right?how does that passage we were originally talking about prove your equation?That quote from 'Timespace' was definitely what Pattie was commenting on when she said, "I think she is talking about Waddy." And that was the comment I was replying to.

Or did Pattie and I get completely lost in the proverbial Forest of Black Roses? :laugh:

[Glittermoondust]

Can't wait to see the pics Amy :). What kind of bracelet did your friend give her?

Hey Tiff!! Well you won't be too impressed with my pix I'm afraid--I've seen yours!! LOL!! No comparing....... :shrug: If Stevie would have opened her eyes on a few more I would have been happier!! :p As for the bracelet--I didn't see it up close, but Stevie wore it for the rest of Edge...it was one of those really sparkly crystal bracelets and she told me it had "s" es on it somehow......like the design....the crystals were shaped in "s" es........she was SOOOOO thrilled that she took it though!! LOL!! She kept going--Stevie is wearing my bracelet :) It was cool!! You know its funny because I have a crystal bracelet with flower shapes on it and I swear Stevie looked at it at one of the SYW shows and she also looked at it last night....so I thought that was really funny when my friend pulled that bracelet out!! Okay--don't laugh too hard--but it was during when she was also shaking my hand--and I actually looked at my own wrist because I was like--where did she get that bracelet from!! ha ha Okay--I KNOW Stevie wouldn't rip off my bracelet--but I was thinking--did mine fall off somehow?? :lol: Yeah I'm an idiot!! And then my friend told me that she had given it to her........ I really wanted to give her something too but I can never think of anything......... I was actually going to get her a moon pendant like one that I bought myself in the past--but when I went to look for it it was gone........and I don't even know if she would have taken it or not......

Amy

[Serrart]

I got to the 19th page finally...

I'm so happy she's covering a Led Zeppelin song, her artistic vitality keeps surprising me and makes me glad she's having so much fun doing what she loves.

About the Waddy enigma, it seems more to me she's saying something cute to all the band members she feels like family but you never know. By the way, among the three I hope it's Brett, he's way cuter. :nod:

Romy

[EnchantedSLN]

Hey Tiff!! Well you won't be too impressed with my pix I'm afraid--I've seen yours!! LOL!! No comparing....... :shrug: If Stevie would have opened her eyes on a few more I would have been happier!! :p As for the bracelet--I didn't see it up close, but Stevie wore it for the rest of Edge...it was one of those really sparkly crystal bracelets and she told me it had "s" es on it somehow......like the design....the crystals were shaped in "s" es........she was SOOOOO thrilled that she took it though!! LOL!! She kept going--Stevie is wearing my bracelet :) It was cool!! You know its funny because I have a crystal bracelet with flower shapes on it and I swear Stevie looked at it at one of the SYW shows and she also looked at it last night....so I thought that was really funny when my friend pulled that bracelet out!! Okay--don't laugh too hard--but it was during when she was also shaking my hand--and I actually looked at my own wrist because I was like--where did she get that bracelet from!! ha ha Okay--I KNOW Stevie wouldn't rip off my bracelet--but I was thinking--did mine fall off somehow?? :lol: Yeah I'm an idiot!! And then my friend told me that she had given it to her........ I really wanted to give her something too but I can never think of anything......... I was actually going to get her a moon pendant like one that I bought myself in the past--but when I went to look for it it was gone........and I don't even know if she would have taken it or not......

Amy

Nah, I bet your pictures turned out great! That's really cool she took the bracelet and slipped it on right then. That must have made your friend very happy :).

[Dreammms]

The 'Timespace' quote was the "original passage" you were referring to when you said the following, right?That quote from 'Timespace' was definitely what Pattie was commenting on when she said, "I think she is talking about Waddy." And that was the comment I was replying to.

Or did Pattie and I get completely lost in the proverbial Forest of Black Roses? :laugh:

no this is all about the timespace if anyone falls liner note.

they are just saying you should "read between the lines."

i guess for now on when stevie mentions a guy (mick,waddy,don,etc.) we should just ALL ignore it and realize that she is really talking about LINDSEY! :wavey:

[ShangriLaTroubl]

She names Waddy in this paragraph but are you reading what she's actually saying? I read those same words and I don't see her talking about Waddy except for the part where she names him. I guess it depends on what you know about everything else in the mix as to how you interpret this. :shrug:


It's not really that. I think she gives a description of this "lover" and, and on into the description discusses being on stage with him and all and then says his name "WADDY"... Why would she be describing someone else all this time, and then all of a sudden mention Waddy.... it's like her saying "oh yes I loved Lindsey, I loved watching him on stage every night..he was so frail, yet so strong...when Waddy was with me it was incredible.. " It makes no sense

Chris

[WelshWitchPMD]

i guess for now on when stevie mentions a guy (mick,waddy,don,etc.) we should just ALL ignore it and realize that she is really talking about LINDSEY! :wavey:

Auto Correct! :blob2: :] :blob2:

[Dreammms]

Auto Correct! :blob2: :] :blob2:

;) :xoxo:

[WelshWitchPMD]

It's not really that. I think she gives a description of this "lover" and, and on into the description discusses being on stage with him and all and then says his name "WADDY"... Why would she be describing someone else all this time, and then all of a sudden mention Waddy.... it's like her saying "oh yes I loved Lindsey, I loved watching him on stage every night..he was so frail, yet so strong...when Waddy was with me it was incredible.. " It makes no sense

Chris

EXACTLY!! RIGHT ON, CHRIS!! :blob2:

[Dreammms]

It's not really that. I think she gives a description of this "lover" and, and on into the description discusses being on stage with him and all and then says his name "WADDY"... Why would she be describing someone else all this time, and then all of a sudden mention Waddy.... it's like her saying "oh yes I loved Lindsey, I loved watching him on stage every night..he was so frail, yet so strong...when Waddy was with me it was incredible.. " It makes no sense

Chris


chris get with it

beauty and the beast is about LINDSEY

and when stevie was talking about waddy on the if anyone falls liner notes she really was hoping you really realized she was talking about LINDSEY!

duh!

[WelshWitchPMD]

;) :xoxo:

Yep, gotta love that WORD!! :blob2: :blob1:

[ShangriLaTroubl]

chris get with it

beauty and the beast is about LINDSEY

and when stevie was talking about waddy on the if anyone falls liner notes she really was hoping you really realized she was talking about LINDSEY!

duh!


And when she says she went out with Don..she means LINDSEY...and OF COURSE Gypsy is about LINDSEY...oh yeah he wrote the lyrics to Gypsy too, didnt you know that? He should get full songwriters credit for all of Stevie's words..even though he wrote none of them..

Maybe Stevie was a virgin until she met Lindsey..and she has never been with another man since!!!'

Chris

[dissention]

It's much more fun to put two and two together to get eight! ;)

It may be fun, but it resulted in many notes on my report cards that essentially said I was mathematically retarded.

[WelshWitchPMD]

Maybe Stevie was a virgin until she met Lindsey..and she has never been with another man since!!!'

Chris

WHOA! I lost my water on that one! :lol:

[Kelly]

And when she says she went out with Don..she means LINDSEY...and OF COURSE Gypsy is about LINDSEY...oh yeah he wrote the lyrics to Gypsy too, didnt you know that? He should get full songwriters credit for all of Stevie's words..even though he wrote none of them..

Maybe Stevie was a virgin until she met Lindsey..and she has never been with another man since!!!'

Chris


Where did anyone say that Lindsey should get full songwriting credit for Gypsy? I remember people pointing out that she shares credits for songs with other people and Lindsey played a big part in helping her with Gypsy. Some feel maybe he deserves partial credit, like Shanks, Cambell, Sandy Stewart, etc etc etc etc have with a variety of her songs. Believe what you want about BatB but give the man some credit for helping her with Gypsy ....even Stevie knows he did.

[rbs3676]

Where did anyone say that Lindsey should get full songwriting credit for Gypsy? I remember people pointing out that she shares credits for songs with other people and Lindsey played a big part in helping her with Gypsy. Some feel maybe he deserves partial credit, like Shanks, Cambell, Sandy Stewart, etc etc etc etc have with a variety of her songs. Believe what you want about BatB but give the man some credit for helping her with Gypsy ....even Stevie knows he did.


I kinda think it all comes out in the wash, ya know?

rbs

[glitter_fades]

It's not really that. I think she gives a description of this "lover" and, and on into the description discusses being on stage with him and all and then says his name "WADDY"... Why would she be describing someone else all this time, and then all of a sudden mention Waddy.... it's like her saying "oh yes I loved Lindsey, I loved watching him on stage every night..he was so frail, yet so strong...when Waddy was with me it was incredible.. " It makes no sense

Chris

My original point was that Stevie was not talking about Waddy directly in that passage. I never said she was talking about anyone else in particular. She doesn't mention anyone but Waddy by name, but to my reading, she is reflecting on a situation that involves someone and maybe it is Waddy but that is not what I read. She brings up Waddy's name in a side context near the end of that passage. If you believe by doing so, she's saying Waddy was once her lover, OK by me. Maybe he was? If the only reason to believe it is because of the Timespace liner notes, then I see it as a very thin argument. jmho. When reading things like that from Stevie I take into consideration the timeframe and remember what she was like, as well as what she was going through when Timespace was issued. To me, not everything is clear in black and white especially when it comes to Stevie. People see things differently. How can it be argued otherwise as with those who currently think she's doing Waddy now, and everyone else in the band, just because she's being openly flirty on stage during this tour as she was last night? Everyone's got a different take on these things. I look at the big picture not just selected details. The devils in the details, so who knows? ;)

:wavey:

[glitter_fades]

It may be fun, but it resulted in many notes on my report cards that essentially said I was mathematically retarded.

We must have gone to the same school. :]

:D

[Kelly]

I kinda think it all comes out in the wash, ya know?

rbs


I totally agree but the completely sarcastic misrepresentation of a past thread annoys me. No one said he deserved a full credit but that is how it keeps getting repeated. I don't think Linds cares, so neither do I but he really did wonders for that particular song, IMHO.


As for the rest of this thread?? JOE WALSH was at the show tonight and gasp, Stevie dedicated HAEWAFY to him. She is doing him now right? He has ditched his wife and two boys and is shacking up with La Nicks I assume. Or better yet, how about I completely disrespect Stevie and accuse her of flaunting her illicit relationship with a HAPPILY married man for the world to see. The theories around here about Stevie and Lindsey aren't the ones that are wacked. At least the people with those theories show some level of respect to other posters and don't pepper every single freaking post with immature sarcasm and a mocking tone.

Peace!

[strandinthewind]

I totally agree but the completely sarcastic misrepresentation of a past thread annoys me. No one said he deserved a full credit but that is how it keeps getting repeated. I don't think Linds cares, so neither do I but he really did wonders for that particular song, IMHO.


As for the rest of this thread?? JOE WALSH was at the show tonight and gasp, Stevie dedicated HAEWAFY to him. She is doing him now right? He has ditched his wife and two boys and is shacking up with La Nicks I assume. Or better yet, how about I completely disrespect Stevie and accuse her of flaunting her illicit relationship with a HAPPILY married man for the world to see. The theories around here about Stevie and Lindsey aren't the ones that are wacked. At least the people with those theories show some level of respect to other posters and don't pepper every single freaking post with immature sarcasm and a mocking tone.

Peace!

YOU ROCK MY DARLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angel:

[CreepingDeath]

YOU ROCK MY DARLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angel:

:nod: :nod:


I love Kelly like Paula loves a leg warmer.

[strandinthewind]

:nod: :nod:


I love Kelly like Paula loves a leg warmer.


and Kelly and I will fight like cats and dogs over the small stuff - but when she is right - I gladly say so - now WHAT was that about Mick and Beauty and the Beast :eek: :woohoo:

[glitter_fades]

WHAT was that about Mick and Beauty and the Beast :eek: :woohoo:

Noooo! Not that again. :D

:wavey:

[strandinthewind]

Noooo! Not that again. :D

:wavey:


Yea Yea Yea - don't you have a quote to take out of context :p :p :p :p :xoxo:

[glitter_fades]

Yea Yea Yea - don't you have a quote to take out of context :p :p :p :p :xoxo:

Why don't you give me one and I'll pick it to death while we wait for a review from tonight? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

:xoxo:

[strandinthewind]

Why don't you give me one and I'll pick it to death while we wait for a review from tonight? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Lord Child - I have had MANY margaritas and the possibilities are endless :] :] :] :]

[krrrby]

if a copy is out there, I will find it...Ya know I have a reputation to keep via bootlegs :thumbsup:

Btw, I do have the July 13,1998 Grand Rapids show if ya need a copy, And yes that show is rockin' :nod:

-jaw drops to the floor and dies- you gotta be kidding me...I've been searching for YEARS for the 98 show...

Anyway I can get that?? I'll let you have anything off of my list LOL
I'm serious
It was my first stevie nicks concert, and my first concert ever and I got INCHES from touching her hand (my mom was there too). Which reminds me I was given a guitar pick by the security guards (who were nicer then) and I gotta remember what I did with it...

PLEASE send me a private message so we can work something out :thumbsup:

And how good is the sound quality on it? Just curious

[WelshWitchPMD]

My original point was that Stevie was not talking about Waddy directly in that passage. I never said she was talking about anyone else in particular. She doesn't mention anyone but Waddy by name, but to my reading, she is reflecting on a situation that involves someone and maybe it is Waddy but that is not what I read. She brings up Waddy's name in a side context near the end of that passage. If you believe by doing so, she's saying Waddy was once her lover, OK by me. Maybe he was? If the only reason to believe it is because of the Timespace liner notes, then I see it as a very thin argument. jmho. When reading things like that from Stevie I take into consideration the timeframe and remember what she was like, as well as what she was going through when Timespace was issued. To me, not everything is clear in black and white especially when it comes to Stevie. People see things differently. How can it be argued otherwise as with those who currently think she's doing Waddy now, and everyone else in the band, just because she's being openly flirty on stage during this tour as she was last night? Everyone's got a different take on these things. I look at the big picture not just selected details. The devils in the details, so who knows? ;)

:wavey:

OK, so you think that she is talking about someone else before she mentions WADDY. So talks about this mystery man who she says: I adored him...he was everything I wanted to be: a real rock and roller ... and a lover of the Stones...small and frail sometimes, but in many ways the strongest person I had ever known. His word was law. I became him ... he became me, and no one dared intrude upon this union. He is no longer with me, but his spirit twin never leaves him. is not Waddy but a fake character that Stevie just made up. :shrug: It certainly does not fit any member of The Mac so we can rule that out right there. :laugh:
Oh maybe it was Joe Walsh!! He and Waddy are friends, too He certainly is a real rocker, too but I am not too sure about the Stones lover. He might be strong due to his daughter’s death. The other thing that does not make sense is that Stevie was not involved with him till after she wrote this song. I wonder if it might be one of her premonition songs. It really does seem to fit him oddly enough because she did fall hard for him but he did not feel the same way.
It still seems odd that she would mention Waddy's name when she might be talking about Joe or someone else. :shrug:

[WelshWitchPMD]

As for the rest of this thread?? JOE WALSH was at the show tonight and gasp, Stevie dedicated HAEWAFY to him. She is doing him now right? He has ditched his wife and two boys and is shacking up with La Nicks I assume. Or better yet, how about I completely disrespect Stevie and accuse her of flaunting her illicit relationship with a HAPPILY married man for the world to see. The theories around here about Stevie and Lindsey aren't the ones that are wacked. At least the people with those theories show some level of respect to other posters and don't pepper every single freaking post with immature sarcasm and a mocking tone.

Peace!

That is cool that Joe Walsh was there, I guess that they must be on speaking terms. Stevie really was in love with him. It must have been hard to sing that song with him being there.
Do we even know if Joe is still married? Maybe HenleyFan would know.

[lagringader&r]

Can I ask some questions? I'm fairly new to all this. Not new to my love of Stevie or FM :xoxo: , but new to some of these theories. I have my opinions about that passage that Stevie wrote and I do think she wrote it about Waddy for the reasons that everyone else listed above. One of my questions is: why do people think Stevie is dating/sleeping with or in love with Lindsey? I'm not sure who thinks it and who doesn't but after reading all 21 pages of this thread, I think I know who might think he is and who definitely doesn't. :laugh: I really don't know who Stevie is with and I suspect Waddy, but he is married. So, I don't know. Joe is also married. The people that I *think* think she's in some sort of a thing with Lindsey seem to feel Stevie wouldn't be with a married man, but Lindsey's married. :confused: So, this is confusing. Can someone please fill me in.

[WelshWitchPMD]

Can I ask some questions? I'm fairly new to all this. Not new to my love of Stevie or FM :xoxo: , but new to some of these theories. I have my opinions about that passage that Stevie wrote and I do think she wrote it about Waddy for the reasons that everyone else listed above. One of my questions is: why do people think Stevie is dating/sleeping with or in love with Lindsey? I'm not sure who thinks it and who doesn't but after reading all 21 pages of this thread, I think I know who might think he is and who definitely doesn't. :laugh: I really don't know who Stevie is with and I suspect Waddy, but he is married. So, I don't know. Joe is also married. The people that I *think* think she's in some sort of a thing with Lindsey seem to feel Stevie wouldn't be with a married man, but Lindsey's married. :confused: So, this is confusing. Can someone please fill me in.

People who believe that Lindsey and Stevie are in love are called 'Shippers" and I am not really qualified to describe them so maybe someone else can.

I really have no idea who Stevie is with if she is with anyone. I don't care. I know that some people think that Stevie and Lindsey had an affair during The Dance. OK I don't know if that is true or not nor do I care. Then there are a few people who still think that they are together and always have been. Do I care? NO. Do I think that they have their opinion? YES.
However, when saying that everything that Stevie has ever done or written about in the long run goes back to Lindsey then I have a bit of a problem with that one. A few people in the Stevie world seem to think that Ms. Nicks has only ever really loved Mr. Buckingham and never anyone else.
It really is hard for some people to believe that Stevie could love, Mick or Waddy or Joe Walsh, etc. I don't know why this is but if she said that she loved Lindsey they certainly would not question it.
Like I said, I have no idea who she loves but to always focus on Lindsey as her one and only love seems a bit odd to me.
I still think that she loves Joe Walsh. :shrug:

[lagringader&r]

People who believe that Lindsey and Stevie are in love are called 'Shippers" and I am not really qualified to describe them so maybe someone else can.

I really have no idea who Stevie is with if she is with anyone. I don't care. I know that some people think that Stevie and Lindsey had an affair during The Dance. OK I don't know if that is true or not nor do I care. Then there are a few people who still think that they are together and always have been. Do I care? NO. Do I think that they have their opinion? YES.
However, when saying that everything that Stevie has ever done or written about in the long run goes back to Lindsey then I have a bit of a problem with that one. A few people in the Stevie world seem to think that Ms. Nicks has only ever really loved Mr. Buckingham and never anyone else.
It really is hard for some people to believe that Stevie could love, Mick or Waddy or Joe Walsh, etc. I don't know why this is but if she said that she loved Lindsey they certainly would not question it.
Like I said, I have no idea who she loves but to always focus on Lindsey as her one and only love seems a bit odd to me.
I still think that she loves Joe Walsh. :shrug:

Hmm. Well, Stevie herself has said that Joe was the man who broke her heart, so I'd say she loved or loves him. I also believe she loved Mick and Waddy and both were very deep loves. She's said so and written about it, either in passages (like the one above) or in songs. BATB is about Mick. The liner notes are one thing, but she kept saying his name before performing the song at several shows this year. Why would she do that or make that connection if the song weren't about or for Mick? Just because she likes the sound of his name and conveniently likes to say it right before that song? :confused: I also don't know who she's with and only care or am interested because I'm interested in everything she does, not just her romantic life. But I would say that she loved Lindsey at one time and I'm sure still loves him in some way, but not in a romantic way. And I have my reasons but I'm 99.9% sure he's not with her. If Lindsey is spending his time with someone behind closed doors, it's not Stevie.

On edit: I'm still :confused:, but thanks for answering my questions. :D

[Rumour0323]

I totally agree but the completely sarcastic misrepresentation of a past thread annoys me. No one said he deserved a full credit but that is how it keeps getting repeated. I don't think Linds cares, so neither do I but he really did wonders for that particular song, IMHO.


As for the rest of this thread?? JOE WALSH was at the show tonight and gasp, Stevie dedicated HAEWAFY to him. She is doing him now right? He has ditched his wife and two boys and is shacking up with La Nicks I assume. Or better yet, how about I completely disrespect Stevie and accuse her of flaunting her illicit relationship with a HAPPILY married man for the world to see. The theories around here about Stevie and Lindsey aren't the ones that are wacked. At least the people with those theories show some level of respect to other posters and don't pepper every single freaking post with immature sarcasm and a mocking tone.

Peace!

I agree with Strandie....you go girl.

[Kelly]

Hmm. Well, Stevie herself has said that Joe was the man who broke her heart, so I'd say she loved or loves him. I also believe she loved Mick and Waddy and both were very deep loves. She's said so and written about it, either in passages (like the one above) or in songs. BATB is about Mick. The liner notes are one thing, but she kept saying his name before performing the song at several shows this year. Why would she do that or make that connection if the song weren't about or for Mick? Just because she likes the sound of his name and conveniently likes to say it right before that song? :confused: I also don't know who she's with and only care or am interested because I'm interested in everything she does, not just her romantic life. But I would say that she loved Lindsey at one time and I'm sure still loves him in some way, but not in a romantic way. And I have my reasons but I'm 99.9% sure he's not with her. If Lindsey is spending his time with someone behind closed doors, it's not Stevie.

On edit: I'm still :confused:, but thanks for answering my questions. :D



Ok..you dropped the hint so why are you 99.9 percent sure Lindsey isn't with Stevie? Do you know what else is going on in his life right now too? Isn't he spending his time behind closed doors with his "wife"? How about what Stevie is up to unrelated to this tour? I could care less who she is with as long as she is happy. The idea she loved Waddy so deeply in any romantic way seems out there to me though. She said Micks name before BaTB TWICE this year, both show he was at. So that is proof of nothing really. (oh except that Stevie does think of him occassionally when performing the song and has a deep love for him) Do you really think people have just pulled this opinion out of their ass or perhaps they are basing it on some things unrelated to her two quotes on the song? You know what, nevermind.

Other men..of course she has loved other men. I told ya'll Joe was at the show last night. I am sure that means something romantic. It can't just be an old love, whom sh e has remained friends with. In the last two weeks, Stevie has been shagging Don, Waddy, Mick and Chris Issack. If some people want to believe she is hitting LB too, who gives a crap?


Shipper is a derogatory term labelling those who think SnL have some unfinished business. I don't give a rats ass but I can see the obvious. I haven't heard any new love songs about Waddy. None about Mick. None about Don. None about Joe. I am 99.9 percent sure there are huge things going on right now, that many of you know you are fully aware of but are unwilling to rock the boat. (or out of respect for Stevie)

[Rumour0323]

Shipper is a derogatory term labelling those who think SnL have some unfinished business. I don't give a rats ass but I can see the obvious. I haven't heard any new love songs about Waddy. None about Mick. None about Don. None about Joe. I am 99.9 percent sure there are huge things going on right now, that many of you know you are fully aware of but are unwilling to rock the boat. (or out of respect for Stevie)

I'll rock it...if you want me to. :D

And by the way ....I have a new name for shipper's....we're the Nick's Templar :p

[GardenStateGirlie]

"Oh i'll (let you) build you that kingdom...in that house on the hill..."

Oh, wait...

[Kelly]

"Oh i'll (let you) build you that kingdom...in that house on the hill..."

Oh, wait...


And then you can go "sell it, sell it" ...(for a big loss).....and then we can settle in an enjoy the view of Point Dume....(cause she still wants to be a cliffdweller)

[dissention]

In the last two weeks, Stevie has been shagging Don, Waddy, Mick and Chris Issack.

Really? Girlfriend sure is busy. Though I find it rather insulting that a hottie like Chris Isaak is in the same company as Don, Waddy, and Mick. But I suppose she has to have some redeeming sense of taste.

[Kelly]

You're a loony.

Really? Nothing I don't already know. Seriously though, was it me who was on chitchat with the bottle of valium and a knife? You got me beat..girl! :wavey:

[storms2]

I have to jump into the fray. :D I've been around a long time, but normally do not post. I felt the need to respond to something a fellow poster mentioned.

And then you can go "sell it, sell it"...(for a big loss).....and then we can settle in an enjoy the veiw of Point Dume.....(cause she still wants to be a cliffdweller)


Is it just me or does anyone else thinks it pure coincidence that LB's house finally closed and that suddenly SN closed on her new, HUGE Malibu home, all in the same week? Ummmm ;)

And by the way, when has Stevie ever bought a home in LA before? Wonder why she would do that? :rolleyes:

[HejiraNYC]

Really? Girlfriend sure is busy. Though I find it rather insulting that a hottie like Chris Isaak is in the same company as Don, Waddy, and Mick. But I suppose she has to have some redeeming sense of taste.


You forgot Joe Walsh. Gives credence to that old saying "Love is blind," doesn't it? :lol: Has girlfriend had vision correction surgery or what?? Or was that a rose-colored contact lens implant?? Gives all of us ugly guys hope...

I just find it bizarre that she wears her heart so openly. It really is none of our business, but she feeds us just enough detail to speculate. I guess the enigma is by design!

[Dreammms]

Is it just me or does anyone else thinks it pure coincidence that LB's house finally closed and that suddenly SN closed on her new, HUGE Malibu home, all in the same week? Ummmm ;)

And by the way, when has Stevie ever bought a home in LA before? Wonder why she would do that? :rolleyes:

hey they could be together now. who knows? but them being together now does not mean that beauty and the beast is about lindsey and that everything stevie writes about or says is about LINDSEY!

[Kelly]

Yes, not entirely relevant to romantic delusions though is it? Someone else's romance at that.


At least I am not a concern to Lindsey's management. :shrug: The stories are highly entertaining though.

[Hippocampus]

Where did anyone say that Lindsey should get full songwriting credit for Gypsy? I remember people pointing out that she shares credits for songs with other people and Lindsey played a big part in helping her with Gypsy. Some feel maybe he deserves partial credit, like Shanks, Cambell, Sandy Stewart, etc etc etc etc have with a variety of her songs. Believe what you want about BatB but give the man some credit for helping her with Gypsy ....even Stevie knows he did.


The same arguments bear repeating. Stevie made many demos of Gypsy, some quite polished (see the recently surfaced master reels). And especially, the song was recorded with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers during the Bella Donna sessions PRIOR to the recording of the Mirage album (again the master reels). The "TP Gypsy" certainly isn't that different from the "FM Gypsy". So what is this "big part in helping her" that Lindsey supposedly played?

[Kelly]

I have to jump into the fray. :D I've been around a long time, but normally do not post. I felt the need to respond to something a fellow poster mentioned.




Is it just me or does anyone else thinks it pure coincidence that LB's house finally closed and that suddenly SN closed on her new, HUGE Malibu home, all in the same week? Ummmm ;)

And by the way, when has Stevie ever bought a home in LA before? Wonder why she would do that? :rolleyes:



Ka ching! :thumbsup:

So much for retiring blissfully to Arizona!

Sidenote......whether SnL are together or not does not make BaTB about Mick either. Stevie has fudged about her lyrics before...is it so hard to believe she could possibly be doing it about BaTB? Personally, IMHO..the song is relevant to her right now because of her father, not some supposed long lost love connection to Mick Fleetwood. The lyrics are particularly profound right now, I would imagine and I am sure Mick is not what is on her mind when she is singing it. :confused:

[Kelly]

The same arguments bear repeating. Stevie made many demos of Gypsy, some quite polished (see the recently surfaced master reels). And especially, the song was recorded with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers during the Bella Donna sessions PRIOR to the recording of the Mirage album (again the master reels). The "TP Gypsy" certainly isn't that different from the "FM Gypsy". So what is this "big part in helping her" that Lindsey supposedly played?


Nevermind. Ya'll are right..he did nothing with the song. :wavey:

[tynan88]

When did Stevie buy a house in LA :confused:

[trackaghost]

Nevermind. Ya'll are right..he did nothing with the song. :wavey:

He got credit as producer my dear. Seeing as the song was completed before he got his hands on it, his part in shaping Gypsy was simply that, production. I'm not sure why he should get a songwriting credit for that :confused:
As I said before, Mike Chapman didn't get a credit for turning Heart Of Glass from a reggae song to a disco tune.

[WelshWitchPMD]

When did Stevie buy a house in LA :confused:

That is the 64 thousand dollar question. :shrug: I had no idea.

[HenleyFan]

It seems that Joe and his wife have separated.....but I don't think it has anything to do with Stevie. :)

That's cool he was at Stevie's show last night. He's been in Cleveland the last few days doing James Gang shows. Joe seems to be at the making amends part of his recovery so maybe he and Stevie have gotten over their past and now can be friends.

L&M

That is cool that Joe Walsh was there, I guess that they must be on speaking terms. Stevie really was in love with him. It must have been hard to sing that song with him being there.
Do we even know if Joe is still married? Maybe HenleyFan would know.

[GardenStateGirlie]

I have to jump into the fray. :D I've been around a long time, but normally do not post. I felt the need to respond to something a fellow poster mentioned.

Is it just me or does anyone else thinks it pure coincidence that LB's house finally closed and that suddenly SN closed on her new, HUGE Malibu home, all in the same week? Ummmm ;)

And by the way, when has Stevie ever bought a home in LA before? Wonder why she would do that? :rolleyes:

Welcome to the fold! So glad you can jump on the delusion train with us all :wavey:

Indeed. The purchase and not rental of a home IS quite interesting--a HUGE house for just one woman, eh? Ironic? I think not ;)

[WelshWitchPMD]

It seems that Joe and his wife have separated.....but I don't think it has anything to do with Stevie. :)

That's cool he was at Stevie's show last night. He's been in Cleveland the last few days doing James Gang shows. Joe seems to be at the making amends part of his recovery so maybe he and Stevie have gotten over their past and now can be friends.

L&M


Thanks for the info. I am sorry to hear that and I am sure that Stevie had nothing to do with it. I am glad that they do seem to be friends or might be trying to be friends. :)

[Dreammms]

Indeed. The purchase and not rental of a home IS quite interesting--a HUGE house for just one woman, eh? Ironic? I think not ;)

yeah because stevie and lindsey being together now means that every song stevie has sung in the past is about lindsey and everything she has said in the past is about lindsey!

i think not!

[GardenStateGirlie]

yeah because stevie and lindsey being together now means that every song stevie has sung in the past is about lindsey and everything she has said in the past is about lindsey!

i think not!

I don't think I mentioned anything about her singing songs :confused:

[Dreammms]

I don't think I mentioned anything about her singing songs :confused:


fine her LYRICS are only about LINDSEY! you knew what i meant!

[GardenStateGirlie]

fine her LYRICS are only about LINDSEY! you knew what i meant!

I don't think I mentioned her lyrics either :shrug: All I mentioned was her house :confused: Did you mean to respond to someone else??

[littlecricket2]

When you guys are done arguing about who Stevie loves and who she is screwing, you should check out this thread. We SAW Stevie in the hotel! :] She was w/ Karen and her bodyguard Raul and her Yorkies. We have pics of the hotel and the concert, etc.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=20290

[sparky]

When you guys are done arguing about who Stevie loves and who she is screwing, you should check out this thread. We SAW Stevie in the hotel! :] She was w/ Karen and her bodyguard Raul and her Yorkies. We have pics of the hotel and the concert, etc.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=20290


:woohoo: :xoxo: :lol:

[golden braid]

Indeed. The purchase and not rental of a home IS quite interesting--a HUGE house for just one woman, eh? Ironic? I think not ;)
Did I miss something? I read the boards every day and I don't know anything about Stevie buying a house in Malibu.

[dissention]

Has girlfriend had vision correction surgery or what?? Or was that a rose-colored contact lens implant??

I believe she had surgery in '94, so that would explain any hook-up with Chris Isaak. :laugh:

[dissention]

As I said before, Mike Chapman didn't get a credit for turning Heart Of Glass from a reggae song to a disco tune.

That was genius. It had such a bite to it to begin with, but discofying it really turned it into something else. I'd die for more demos to surface so that we could hear all the changes they made for the final versions. Out In the Streets isn't too different, but the ones I've heard from Curse are quite different just like HOG.

[dissention]

Indeed. The purchase and not rental of a home IS quite interesting--a HUGE house for just one woman, eh? Ironic? I think not ;)

Maybe she's finally giving ole Chris the heave-ho and knew that in order for him to leave, she'd have to get him a piece of property that would really knock him out. :laugh:

[dissention]

She was w/ Karen and her bodyguard Raul and her Yorkies.

That is HYSTERICAL.

"Hi! This is Karen, this Raoul, and this is Sara-BellaDonna. Nice to meet you and blessed be!"

[littlecricket2]

:woohoo: :xoxo: :lol:

:laugh: Well, we didn't actually catch her in the act with anyone, she was just walking, so maybe no one is interested. :angel:

[glitter_fades]

OK, so you think that she is talking about someone else before she mentions WADDY. So talks about this mystery man who she says: I adored him...he was everything I wanted to be: a real rock and roller ... and a lover of the Stones...small and frail sometimes, but in many ways the strongest person I had ever known. His word was law. I became him ... he became me, and no one dared intrude upon this union. He is no longer with me, but his spirit twin never leaves him. is not Waddy but a fake character that Stevie just made up. :shrug: It certainly does not fit any member of The Mac so we can rule that out right there. :laugh:
Oh maybe it was Joe Walsh!! He and Waddy are friends, too He certainly is a real rocker, too but I am not too sure about the Stones lover. He might be strong due to his daughter’s death. The other thing that does not make sense is that Stevie was not involved with him till after she wrote this song. I wonder if it might be one of her premonition songs. It really does seem to fit him oddly enough because she did fall hard for him but he did not feel the same way.
It still seems odd that she would mention Waddy's name when she might be talking about Joe or someone else. :shrug:

What's with everyone mischaracterizing what other people say by misrepresenting prior posts in their replies? :shrug:

Fake character? I didn't say Stevie talked about a fake character. I said she is not talking only about Waddy in that description. My point again, and this seems to keep getting lost in the mad rush to denounce any hint Stevie could be talking about Lindsey (which I've never said she was), was to illustrate how misconceptions occur and myths are repeated in the fanlore because Stevie talks in non-sequiturs and rambles on in a stream of consciousness manner. Things she says appear one way in print, but sound differently if you hear her talk. You don't have to agree. Everything's up to interpretation. When I read or think of that line the way Stevie actually talks, I see she is not talking about Waddy being an ex-lover. If you think he is her ex, it's OK by me. I'm not going to insult you by mischaracterizing what you posted.

How this one point got turned into another argument about whether something she said might be about Lindsey is lost on me. Not that you've done that in this post above, but the thread now has posts going off in that direction. Posts about shippers and the comments about Stevie being in a relationship with Lindsey now, should not be related to me by implication just because I offered my view that Stevie is not saying she had a romance with Waddy. How does that become another case of everyone saying Stevie only loved Lindsey and everything is always about Lindsey?

I find it curious the people who most often post the words, Stevie only ever loved Lindsey, everything is always about Lindsey, are the fans who don't believe it, not the people who do. I find it equally curious that more posters denounce the idea of her having any connection to him now than to anyone else who could be a possibility, despite what someone else said about her admittedly still writing songs about him. What's with that? I don't give a rats ass who Stevie writes about or who she is doing after the show. I would offer this. If she were currently in a relationship with him, would that tarnish any views or illusions fans have about Stevie, or would it change your devotion to her music, or his for that matter? Maybe it's just me, but I get the impression fans have strongly held beliefs on this topic out of fear their illusions would be shattered if Stevie admitted she has a muse and he is it.

People seem to think Stevie's songs need defending if she somehow still loves him or is in a relationship with him. It's like a crusade. A lot of her devoted fans want to staunchly defend Stevie's artistic license to the point of insisting her body of solo work is practically a Lindsey-free zone. Maybe it's just me, but I seem to read more posts holding the line...Stevie is over him and doesn't always write about him...than I do about fans thinking she writes about him often or on every album. Ironically, the way people mischaracterize other people's posts can make you think it's the other way around. Isn't that weird. :laugh:

:angel:

[storms2]

Welcome to the fold! So glad you can jump on the delusion train with us all

Thanks so much. I'll be happy to ride that train down the track with ya! :eek:

[Livia]

Why does everyone assume that Stevie only dates and/or writes songs about famous men?

[dissention]

Why does everyone assume that Stevie only dates and/or writes songs about famous men?

Exactly. :xoxo:

She was dating someone "non-famous" around the time of The Dance.

[WelshWitchPMD]

When I read or think of that line the way Stevie actually talks, I see she is not talking about Waddy being an ex-lover. If you think he is her ex, it's OK by me. I'm not going to insult you by mischaracterizing what you posted.
Maybe it's just me, but I seem to read more posts holding the line...Stevie is over him and doesn't always write about him...than I do about fans thinking she writes about him often or on every album. Ironically, the way people mischaracterize other people's posts can make you think it's the other way around. Isn't that weird. :laugh:

:angel:

When in my post did I say that I thought Waddy was Stevie's ex lover? I never said that. What I did say was that the person she described seemed to fit Waddy. :shrug:
The fact that she used "the lover of The Stones" description was key to me that she was talking about Waddy. Especially when Waddy says things like that his greatest accomplishment was working with Keith Richards (From The Stones)
Ok so you don’t think that Stevie was talking about Waddy in her liner notes. That’s OK. I do. Case closed. :wavey:

[lagringader&r]

Ok..you dropped the hint so why are you 99.9 percent sure Lindsey isn't with Stevie? Do you know what else is going on in his life right now too? Isn't he spending his time behind closed doors with his "wife"? How about what Stevie is up to unrelated to this tour? I could care less who she is with as long as she is happy. The idea she loved Waddy so deeply in any romantic way seems out there to me though. She said Micks name before BaTB TWICE this year, both show he was at. So that is proof of nothing really. (oh except that Stevie does think of him occassionally when performing the song and has a deep love for him) Do you really think people have just pulled this opinion out of their ass or perhaps they are basing it on some things unrelated to her two quotes on the song? You know what, nevermind.

Other men..of course she has loved other men. I told ya'll Joe was at the show last night. I am sure that means something romantic. It can't just be an old love, whom sh e has remained friends with. In the last two weeks, Stevie has been shagging Don, Waddy, Mick and Chris Issack. If some people want to believe she is hitting LB too, who gives a crap?


Shipper is a derogatory term labelling those who think SnL have some unfinished business. I don't give a rats ass but I can see the obvious. I haven't heard any new love songs about Waddy. None about Mick. None about Don. None about Joe. I am 99.9 percent sure there are huge things going on right now, that many of you know you are fully aware of but are unwilling to rock the boat. (or out of respect for Stevie)

Why are you jumping on me? You sound very pissed off and I didn't say anything against you. I don't know what's going on in Lindsey's or Stevie's life, but I'd say he's spending his time behind closed doors with his wife. I don't even understand why some peeps seem to feel she couldn't have loved Waddy in a deep way. Because he's not *hot*? That's pretty f*cking shallow and I think Stevie has more class than that. She sighs Mick's name before BATB. Obviously she relates that song to him, otherwise she'd be sighing it before another song or not at all. :confused: Not to mention, she f*cking said it was for him! I don't know if she's in love with either one of those men. Joe's split now from his wife and he was at the show last night, but I doubt that has anything to do with Stevie. Why don't other peeps that say they read the board everyday know that Stevie bought a house in Malibu? I think you're dropping hints, not me. But, do you know how many people there are in Los Angeles? Why would him selling his house have anything to do with her buying one? On the other forum, it says that he bought the new house with his wife. I'm thinking she bought a house in Malibu because she's in LA a lot for business reasons. I don't know why he sold his, but I don't think it's safe to automatically assume it's because he and Stevie are hooking up. For the record, I wouldn't be opposed to them hooking up. I just don't think they are. But if you're going to drop hints, just come right out and say it. Other people might be interested.

On edit: Somebody said he sold his house for a big loss. According to the other forum, his realtors said he sold it for close to the asking price of 21 million. :shrug:

[QuiGonKong]

Exactly. :xoxo:

She was dating someone "non-famous" around the time of The Dance.
I seem to remember some talk about Stevie dating a concert promoter during the Dance period. Don't know any details but that was something I had heard from a couple of people.

[glitter_fades]

Why does everyone assume that Stevie only dates and/or writes songs about famous men?

Excellent point. :thumbsup:

[glitter_fades]

When in my post did I say that I thought Waddy was Stevie's ex lover? I never said that. What I did say was that the person she described seemed to fit Waddy. :shrug:
The fact that she used "the lover of The Stones" description was key to me that she was talking about Waddy. Especially when Waddy says things like that his greatest accomplishment was working with Keith Richards (From The Stones)


Ok so you don’t think that Stevie was talking about Waddy in her liner notes.

That’s OK. I do. Case closed. :wavey:

If I misunderstood you, I apologize. I thought you jumped in here to defend a post that said Stevie and Waddy were lovers once. :shrug:

Again, I didn't say she wasn't talking about Waddy in her liner notes. :rolleyes:

What I said was, she wasn't talking ONLY about Waddy. Therefore, I don't think Stevie and Waddy were lovers just because of what is written in that passage. That is what I said. Case closed. :)

:wavey:

[krrrby]

cant we all just be friends? :laugh:

[WelshWitchPMD]

Why does everyone assume that Stevie only dates and/or writes songs about famous men?

I've never assumed such a thing. :shrug: Didn't she work on a song a song with a recording engineer around the Tusk LP? Hernan Rojas I think was his name.

[WelshWitchPMD]

If I misunderstood you, I apologize. I thought you jumped in here to defend a post that said Stevie and Waddy were lovers once. :shrug:

Again, I didn't say she wasn't talking about Waddy in her liner notes. :rolleyes:

What I said was, she wasn't talking ONLY about Waddy. Therefore, I don't think Stevie and Waddy were lovers just because of what is written in that passage. That is what I said. Case closed. :)

:wavey:


OK you are saying that Stevie wasn't ONLY talking about WADDY in that passage. I got it now. :laugh: I think I misunderstood you on that one. I am sorry. :angel:

[Livia]

I've never assumed such a thing. :shrug: Didn't she work on a song a song with a recording engineer around the Tusk LP? Hernan Rojas I think was his name.

I wasn't directing that at you... :xoxo: or anyone in particular.

Perhaps I should rephrase it to "Why do some people...."

I've never heard anything about this Hernan Rojas dude, so I can't comment on that...

[lagringader&r]

I pretty much scoured the net and there's no mention anywhere of Stevie buying a house in Malibu. I'm not saying she didn't, but it's not available on the net.

[strandinthewind]

cant we all just be friends? :laugh:


Not really -- some people just cannot abide other peoples' thoughts on Stevie and her relationships - sad - very true!

[WelshWitchPMD]

I wasn't directing that at you... :xoxo: or anyone in particular.

Perhaps I should rephrase it to "Why do some people...."

I've never heard anything about this Hernan Rojas dude, so I can't comment on that...


I know that you were not talkin to me. :lol: Sorry, I did not mean it to come out like that. :sorry:

Yeah, this is taken from Ken Caillat's Q and A here on The Penguin:

Stevie has given songwriter credit on occasion to people who have influenced her writing of a song-- for example Hernan Rojas, my assistant engineer, and for a while, Stevie's lover, during Tusk. By the way, he'll be here next week visiting.

[dissention]

Not really -- some people just cannot abide other peoples' thoughts on Stevie and her relationships - sad - very true!

It's one thing to have "thoughts" on her relationships based on her songs and things she says publicly, but it's a totally different thing for some people to act as if they're "in the know" about her relationships. I'm not saying that has happened in this thread, but it has in the past and I find it silly because no one does know much of anything in the end.

Someone brought up The King of Comedy last night and there are some out there in the Stevie fan community who totally embody Sandra Bernhard's character from that film. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

It's one thing to have "thoughts" on her relationships based on her songs and things she says publicly, but it's a totally different thing for some people to act as if they're "in the know" about her relationships. I'm not saying that has happened in this thread, but it has in the past and I find it silly because no one does know much of anything in the end.

Someone brought up The King of Comedy last night and there are some out there in the Stevie fan community who totally embody Sandra Bernhard's character from that film. :laugh:

Well, that is a double edged sword - many people here know way more than they post. I, for one, have seen things I will never tell and have never told. Also, when I have said here and on other boards - things I have seen that I thought were innocuous, I was called a liar, delusional, crazy, stupid, etc. So, no thanks - I'll keep it to myself now, which is sad because many have seen thing that, again, are innocuous and they are not about to open the door to peoples' BS. Why would they :shrug:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Well, that is a double edged sword - many people here know way more than they post. I, for one, have seen things I will never tell and have never told. Also, when I have said here and on other boards - things I have seen that I thought were innocuous, I was called a liar, delusional, crazy, stupid, etc. So, no thanks - I'll keep it to myself now, which is sad because many have seen thing that, again, are innocuous and they are not about to open the door to peoples' BS. Why would they :shrug:

I just want to do this to this post:

;) ;) ;)

[CreepingDeath]

Thanks so much. I'll be happy to ride that train down the track with ya! :eek:

I'm on it too. :woohoo:

Damn this train is getting crowded. And Jason takes up so much space. Sheesh. :p

[dissention]

Well, that is a double edged sword - many people here know way more than they post. I, for one, have seen things I will never tell and have never told. Also, when I have said here and on other boards - things I have seen that I thought were innocuous, I was called a liar, delusional, crazy, stupid, etc. So, no thanks - I'll keep it to myself now, which is sad because many have seen thing that, again, are innocuous and they are not about to open the door to peoples' BS. Why would they :shrug:

People know what they observe from afar and what is told to them second hand.

I mean, I remember how ridiculous things got over a stupid sighting of Lindsey's new baby. What an inane thing to argue over and I don't blame people for keeping stuff to themselves. But on the same token, when you boil it all down, no one knows much of anything, though I'm sure there are some crazies out who would claim that Taku or someone else behind the scenes spilled the beans about all kinds of things to them. :laugh:

[GardenStateGirlie]

I'm on it too. :woohoo:

Damn this train is getting crowded. And Jason takes up so much space. Sheesh. :p

His fabulous ass is squishing me :p

[ontheEdgeof17]

His fabulous ass is squishing me :p


Try riding piggyback. :cool:

[strandinthewind]

. . . And Jason takes up so much space. Sheesh. :p


INFIDEL - YOU WILL BE SHUNNED FOR THAT :mad:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

His fabulous ass is squishing me :p

Well, it was a small cab and my fur took up too much room :wavey: :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

People know what they observe from afar and what is told to them second hand . . .

and there are people who know it first hand :shrug:

But, I see what you are saying and agree :cool:

[strandinthewind]

Try riding piggyback. :cool:
SWOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :xoxo:

[glitter_fades]

Not really -- some people just cannot abide other peoples' thoughts on Stevie and her relationships - sad - very true!

Yes, my friend. Seems true. Why is it such a big deal for someone to point out Stevie's statements can be interpreted differently without the thread being reduced to arguments about her relationships? You know from our go-rounds, I have no strong opinions about her relationships as such. I do have strong opinions on the way people interpret what she says in interviews, songs, and the TIMESPACE LINER NOTES. :laugh: Hey, I'm bored. Hurry and toss me a quote I can pick apart. :D

Nobody's ever accused me of being a shipper. I post pro and con on all the Stevie romances, no matter who we're discussing, but sometimes, I find myself defending the shipper opinion because every time a comment is made about quotes on relationships, non-shippers want to start posting about how everything is not about Lindsey. Who said it was?

I try to keep the discussions open and generic, but some people always want to circle the wagons. I don't know why? As for the tone of the posts, I guess there is sarcasm and rudeness all around because it makes for more entertaining reading. I do it too. My mistake in trying to make my original point was trying to point out the nonsequitur stream of consciousness mode of Stevies words sometimes, and that was a big mistake. For those who think she had an affair with Waddy only because of that one thing in the liner notes, what I simply should have said is...don't you know how to read? :p :D

:wavey:

[dissention]

and there are people who know it first hand :shrug:

And there are people who act as if it's their business and that they're hot **** because of it. :laugh:

But, I see what you are saying and agree :cool:

Must be the first time in weeks. :lol:

[strandinthewind]

Yes, my friend. Seems true. Why is it such a big deal for someone to point out Stevie's statements can be interpreted differently without the thread being reduced to arguments about her relationships? You know from our go-rounds, I have no strong opinions about her relationships as such. I do have strong opinions on the way people interpret what she says in interviews, songs, and the TIMESPACE LINER NOTES. :laugh: Hey, I'm bored. Hurry and toss me a quote I can pick apart. :D

Nobody's ever accused me of being a shipper. I post pro and con on all the Stevie romances, no matter who we're discussing, but sometimes, I find myself defending the shipper opinion because every time a comment is made about quotes on relationships, non-shippers want to start posting about how everything is not about Lindsey. Who said it was?

I try to keep the discussions open and generic, but some people always want to circle the wagons. I don't know why? As for the tone of the posts, I guess there is sarcasm and rudeness all around because it makes for more entertaining reading. I do it too. My mistake in trying to make my original point was trying to point out the nonsequitur stream of consciousness mode of Stevies words sometimes, and that was a big mistake. For those who think she had an affair with Waddy only because of that one thing in the liner notes, what I simply should have said is...don't you know how to read? :p :D

:wavey:

and you know I agree - I mean for all the back and forth we have been through - in the end, I know it is all just what we think, etc. So, I try to take all of it in that context - though I can argue with wall at times :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

. . .
Must be the first time in weeks. :lol:

Its because you listed in another thread reason 439 that you want to marry Sparky and I am just jealous :p

[dissention]

Its because you listed in another thread reason 439 that you want to marry Sparky and I am just jealous :p

Awwwwww, I'm sorry. You're next in line if we ever divorce. :laugh:

And I don't do prenups.

[strandinthewind]

Awwwwww, I'm sorry. You're next in line if we ever divorce. :laugh:


well, there is always polygamy :wavey: BTW - Goldie will live with us :cool:

[strandinthewind]

. . .

And I don't do prenups.


Well, I personally have no money :p :p :p :p :p

P.S. the house will be Richarsonian Romanesq - the interior is your's - except for my study, which will be in Honduran mahogany with lots of black leather :cool:

[lagringader&r]

Well, that is a double edged sword - many people here know way more than they post. I, for one, have seen things I will never tell and have never told. Also, when I have said here and on other boards - things I have seen that I thought were innocuous, I was called a liar, delusional, crazy, stupid, etc. So, no thanks - I'll keep it to myself now, which is sad because many have seen thing that, again, are innocuous and they are not about to open the door to peoples' BS. Why would they :shrug:

I am again :confused: Why would people say you're a liar, delusional, crazy or stupid? I only have really chatted with one person on here so far and she told me that if someone comes forward (but not on the board) and says they saw or someone they know saw something, that person would be called a liar. But that's what I don't understand. That whole FM conspiracy thing. I mean we are followers of the band, right? We would be the first ones to recognize them and as much as I talk about them, my friends would even recognize them at this point. Maybe I'm naive but if someone tells me something, I don't think they're lying or delusional. But I was already warned about this. Why? :confused:

[dissention]

well, there is always polygamy :wavey: BTW - Goldie will live with us :cool:

:laugh:

Three's Company indeed.

[dissention]

Well, I personally have no money :p :p :p :p :p

Yeah, and Anna Nicole has A-cups.

P.S. the house will be Richarsonian Romanesq - the interior is your's - except for my study, which will be in Honduran mahogany with lots of black leather :cool:

Not if you want me to keep my sense of sight it won't.

[strandinthewind]

I am again :confused: Why would people say you're a liar, delusional, crazy or stupid? I only have really chatted with one person on here so far and she told me that if someone comes forward (but not on the board) and says they saw or someone they know saw something, that person would be called a liar. But that's what I don't understand. That whole FM conspiracy thing. I mean we are followers of the band, right? We would be the first ones to recognize them and as much as I talk about them, my friends would even recognize them at this point. Maybe I'm naive but if someone tells me something, I don't think they're lying or delusional. But I was already warned about this. Why? :confused:

I said I saw LB at the Soundstage taping in Chicago whisper into La Nicks' ear while on stage that she looked beautiful that evening that he loved her. I think those two things are totally innocuous because he says publicly that he likes her and she did look beautiful. People called me a liar, delusional, etc. and said I did not see what I saw, despite the fact that I was standing like ten yards away from them and others saw it as well. These are the same people IMO who just hate La Nicks and consider her a thorn in LB's creative side and just cannot abide that LB thinks La Nicks has a bunch of talent and she inspires him. In the end, I think they both have such huge talents in different ways and that compliments their talents.

[strandinthewind]

:laugh:

Three's Company indeed.

and that whore Sparky could not be satisfied with just you and I doubt my lilt is his type :cool:

[strandinthewind]

I don't know, respect for our subjects' privacy? I'm not exactly sure what things you're referring to but if it's what I'm thinking then 'innocuous' is hardly the accurate description. As for the accusations, we don't need your misconstruing accounts to come to those conclusions, your regular posts will suffice.


Actaually, what we do not need is your usual crap and judgemental posts.

[lagringader&r]

I said I saw LB at the Soundstage taping in Chicago whisper into La Nicks' ear while on stage that she looked beautiful that evening that he loved her. I think those two things are totally innocuous because he says publicly that he likes her and she did look beautiful. People called me a liar, delusional, etc. and said I did not see what I saw, despite the fact that I was standing like ten yards away from them and others saw it as well. These are the same people IMO who just hate La Nicks and consider her a thorn in LB's creative side and just cannot abide that LB thinks La Nicks has a bunch of talent and she inspires him. In the end, I think they both have such huge talents in different ways and that compliments their talents.

That's why someone would call you a liar or delusional? That doesn't surprise me at all that he would say that to her or whisper in her ear. What's the big deal? :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

That's why someone would call you a liar or delusional? That doesn't surprise me at all that he would say that to her or whisper in her ear. What's the big deal? :shrug:


Well, look above - Lux just did :shrug:

Same ****te - different day as far as I am concerned.

[lagringader&r]

Well, look above - Lux just did :shrug:

Same ****te - different day as far as I am concerned.

Don't feel bad. I confided one little thing to someone and I got yelled at (through pm :laugh: ) and told to can it. :distress:

On edit: Not pm. IM.

[strandinthewind]

You know I wasn't referring to that. I'm talking about accounts of other situations.


List them - I want to see EXACTLY what I have said about anything that should be kept private.

[strandinthewind]

Don't feel bad. I confided one little thing to someone and I got yelled at (through pm :laugh: ) and told to can it. :distress:

LOL - in a PM - I am afraid I would have had a little hellfire and brimstone to say to that PM'er :laugh:

[lagringader&r]

LOL - in a PM - I am afraid I would have had a little hellfire and brimstone to say to that PM'er :laugh:

:laugh:

It was IM and I did defend myself. I'm not out to f*ck somebody over and I hope I made that clear.

[strandinthewind]

:laugh:

It was IM and I did defend myself. I'm not out to f*ck somebody over and I hope I made that clear.


I did not take that imnpression :cool:

In the end, the Ledge has calmed down a bunch as have other boards, which is a good thing I guess.

[gldstwmn]

I still think that she loves Joe Walsh. :shrug:

I agree. I think we know she also loves/is friends with a lot of her former flames. She's said that herself.

[GardenStateGirlie]

What's the big deal? :shrug:

Apparently, people are touchy. We shouldn't be speaking about their relationship or lack of a relationship...however you want to view it...we're told we shouldn't invest in it--i'm not, I find it interesting and I think most "shippers" do. However, clearly in posting insults on this thread, those that are anti "shipper" have something invested in this. That just smacks of hypocricy.

[strandinthewind]

Apparently, people are touchy. We shouldn't be speaking about their relationship or lack of a relationship...however you want to view it...we're told we shouldn't invest in it--i'm not, I find it interesting and I think most "shippers" do. However, clearly in posting insults on this thread, those that are anti "shipper" have something invested in this. That just smacks of hypocricy.

not only that - but the very people who shriek like a harpy that things should be kept private are the very ones who seemingly bring up the private stuff over and over again :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

Shipper is a derogatory term labelling those who think SnL have some unfinished business.

I've never thought of it as a derogatory term and I don't think it was intended that way. :shrug:

[glitter_fades]

I know that you were not talkin to me. :lol: Sorry, I did not mean it to come out like that. :sorry:

Yeah, this is taken from Ken Caillat's Q and A here on The Penguin:

Stevie has given songwriter credit on occasion to people who have influenced her writing of a song-- for example Hernan Rojas, my assistant engineer, and for a while, Stevie's lover, during Tusk. By the way, he'll be here next week visiting.

To the poster who was excoriated for saying LB should get a few nods from La Nicks for what he did as a producer and/or writing partner for her in BN and FM...does this news make any difference? Stevie gives songwriter credit on occasion to people who have influenced her writing of a song? Hmmm. I guess changing or criticizing her songs does not equal influencing if you are LB. Lover or no lover. ;)

:rolleyes:

[lagringader&r]

I did not take that imnpression :cool:

In the end, the Ledge has calmed down a bunch as have other boards, which is a good thing I guess.

No, I meant I told the person I was chatting with that I wasn't out to f*ck somebody over by telling her something. Nevermind. :lol:

[GardenStateGirlie]

not only that - but the very people who shriek like a harpy that things should be kept private are the very ones who seemingly bring up the private stuff over and over again :shrug:

Exactly. Beating a dead horse. Our opinions and views aren't going to change just like their opinions aren't. Why even bother?

[GardenStateGirlie]

I've never thought of it as a derogatory term and I don't think it was intended that way. :shrug:

Unfortunately, It came from another fandom where it was meant in a derogatory way.

[strandinthewind]

No, I meant I told the person I was chatting with that I wasn't out to f*ck somebody over by telling her something. Nevermind. :lol:


oops - chalk that one up to my blonde roots :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

And by the way, when has Stevie ever bought a home in LA before?

She owned that fabulous house with the "crow's nest" on top. She sold that one a while back. There's also "Fantasy Land" which I'm not sure is the same house. I do not know if that one was rented or purchased.

[lagringader&r]

Apparently, people are touchy. We shouldn't be speaking about their relationship or lack of a relationship...however you want to view it...we're told we shouldn't invest in it--i'm not, I find it interesting and I think most "shippers" do. However, clearly in posting insults on this thread, those that are anti "shipper" have something invested in this. That just smacks of hypocricy.

Obviously people are touchy. :laugh: I am interested in what Stevie's up to and with who and maybe that makes me sad or pathetic, but I don't think so. I love her music, I love the stories people have about her and I'm really intrigued by her love life. She's had a lot of lovers and I'm always wondering who is it now? We have a list of at least ten to work with, so I think it's harmless amusement to try to narrow it down. Hey, beats what I used to do for kicks. :nod:

[gldstwmn]

Has girlfriend had vision correction surgery or what?? Or was that a rose-colored contact lens implant??

Supposedly she did. :laugh: I think it was right before TISL or Enchanted, I can't remember which.

[strandinthewind]

. . . Hey, beats what I used to do for kicks. :nod:


sooooooooooo many ideas are running through my head on that one - one of which involves a Monopoly board and a riding crop :laugh: :rolleyes: :laugh:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Supposedly she did. :laugh: I think it was right before TISL or Enchanted, I can't remember which.


I thought she had it done before the SA Tour, too. She said at some show that she could finally see. I dunno. :shrug:

[lagringader&r]

oops - chalk that one up to my blonde roots :laugh:

You too? :laugh: I blame my confusion over this whole thread and other threads on my blonde roots.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Obviously people are touchy.

Like Michael Jackson at a boyscout camp :laugh:

[lagringader&r]

sooooooooooo many ideas are running through my head on that one - one of which involves a Monopoly board and a riding crop :laugh: :rolleyes: :laugh:

Have we met?

[strandinthewind]

Have we met?


Listen Ms. Beaverhausen :laugh: :laugh: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[lagringader&r]

Listen Ms. Beaverhausen :laugh: :laugh: :woohoo: :woohoo:

Give the boy/girl a cigar. :laugh:

F*cking gender confusing board..

[gldstwmn]

I've never assumed such a thing. :shrug: Didn't she work on a song a song with a recording engineer around the Tusk LP? Hernan Rojas I think was his name.

"And then there was the waiter..." :lol:

[gldstwmn]

well, there is always polygamy :wavey: BTW - Goldie will live with us :cool:

Ahem. :shocked:

[lagringader&r]

Well that would defeat the entire purpose of wishing to respect privacy. Also, private messaging is not private, if you're respecting these people's privacy you will not spread rumours via private means either, it's as good as putting it on a message board.

To lagringader&r, why are you talking about me as if I'm not right here? Do you think I was just harsh about privacy for the heck of it? You can be a very nice, trustworthy person but I had to make myself clear precisely because of threads like this. In any case, you seem to want to warrant the necessity for my clarity. I can't do anything to stop you but don't play victim when you're doing what you can to invite these kinds of warnings.

I know you're here but I'm not in the mood for a lecture. I might have blonde roots :laugh: but I'm not stupid and I'm not going to say something to f*ck somebody over or ruin somebody's life. I thought I made that clear. Thanks for saying I'm nice and trustworthy. I think if we're talking about privacy though, why do you think I didn't mention your name here, but you mentioned mine? :confused:

[amber]

Ahem. :shocked:
Ahem? I was thinking you're pretty lucky right now... :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

Well, I personally have no money :p :p :p :p :p

P.S. the house will be Richarsonian Romanesq - the interior is your's - except for my study, which will be in Honduran mahogany with lots of black leather :cool:

Where am I sleeping? In the garage?

[strandinthewind]

Give the boy/girl a cigar. :laugh:

F*cking gender confusing board..

Boy - and I do love a cigar :cool:

[gldstwmn]

:laugh:

Three's Company indeed.

"Come and knock on our door.....
We've been waiting for you......
Where the kisses are hers and hers and his,
Three's company too.

Come and dance on on our floor......
Take a step that is new.....
We've a loveable space that needs your face,
Three's company too.

You'll see that life is a frolic and laughter is calling for you......
Down at our rendez-vous,
Three's company, too!!!!!!"

Muwahahahahaha. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Where am I sleeping? In the garage?

Hello - you have your own wing! Actually, I'll just get you a place in the Four Seasons and you can visit when you can get yourself out of there :laugh:

[QuiGonKong]

Well...I'll tell ya.....I am new to posting here but have been around other boards and have gotten flame broiled for being honest about certain things that I really should have stayed quiet about. As I wrote a while back, I've been a fan, collector and charter member BOTB (had to throw that in) since '78. I guess most of us....who want to find out about the dirt, have been able to and we just have to decide what we want to believe and what we think is bogus. I think part of the fun about being a fan is bringing up the stories and rumours about Stevie and the very wild life she has had....and continues to have. Sure, someone will always get upset and tell you that it's none of our business and we should stick to topics like what songs should Stevie sing on her next tour.....but that would make these boards mighty damn dull if you ask me.......and nobody did. But there it is anyway. Bill

[amber]

"Come and knock on our door.....
We've been waiting for you......
Where the kisses are hers and hers and his,
Three's company too.

Come and dance on on our floor......
Take a step that is new.....
We've a loveable space that needs your face,
Three's company too.

You'll see that life is a frolic and laughter is calling for you......
Down at our rendez-vous,
Three's company, too!!!!!!"

Muwahahahahaha. :laugh:
:lol: :blob1:

Not by coincidence my favorite show as a child...

[gldstwmn]

Unfortunately, It came from another fandom where it was meant in a derogatory way.

I was unaware of the other fandom.

[strandinthewind]

"Come and knock on our door.....
We've been waiting for you......
Where the kisses are hers and hers and his,
Three's company too.

Come and dance on on our floor......
Take a step that is new.....
We've a loveable space that needs your face,
Three's company too.

You'll see that life is a frolic and laughter is calling for you......
Down at our rendez-vous,
Three's company, too!!!!!!"

Muwahahahahaha. :laugh:
LMAO - Diss. is sooooooooooooooooooo Helen to my Stanley :cool:

[gldstwmn]

I thought she had it done before the SA Tour, too. She said at some show that she could finally see. I dunno. :shrug:

Could be. I remeber her saying it in some interview for one of her solo tours. However, I thought it was more recent that SA.

[gldstwmn]

Ahem? I was thinking you're pretty lucky right now... :laugh:

I wasn't exactly sure how to respond. From what I know of the two suitors, my house would be exquisitely decorated and I would be fabulously dressed. :shrug: Nice work if you can get it. :laugh:

[lagringader&r]

I mentioned yours? I don't even understand how addressing your name can be violating privacy. Did I reveal your own identity to yourself?

Anyway, saying you don't spread rumours is one thing but when it comes to people's privacy you can't expect trust as total stranger, particularly not when wearing a sign on your forehead that says "I have rumours to spread, come and ask me". This should be a private conversation but I don't seem to make any impact.

Ok, for the record: I DON'T HAVE ANY RUMORS TO SPREAD!!! I never said I did and I'm not wearing a sign on my forehead.

[amber]

I wasn't exactly sure how to respond. From what I know of the two suitors, my house would be exquisitely decorated and I would be fabulously dressed. :shrug: Nice work if you can get it. :laugh:
:lol: :lol:
totally.
clearly, you'll need some cute, straight pool boy.... :p

[gldstwmn]

Hello - you have your own wing! Actually, I'll just get you a place in the Four Seasons and you can visit when you can get yourself out of there :laugh:

Which will be with a derrick because with room service, television and a computer, I would never leave and weigh 400 lbs. :lol:

[strandinthewind]

I wasn't exactly sure how to respond. From what I know of the two suitors, my house would be exquisitely decorated and I would be fabulously dressed. :shrug: Nice work if you can get it. :laugh:


Also - a running tab at every major luxury hotel in the world and two adoring illegitimate black daughters name Wynn ee the Pooh and Laine :cool:

[gldstwmn]

:lol: :lol:
totally.
clearly, you'll need some cute, straight pool boy.... :p

I do like a clean pool. ;)

[amber]

Also - a running tab at every major luxury hotel in the world and two adoring illegitimate black daughters name Wynn ee the Pooh and Laine :cool:
Geez. :rolleyes: Can I be your maid? Your dogwatcher/walker? :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

Also - a running tab at every major luxury hotel in the world and two adoring illegitimate black daughters name Wynn ee the Pooh and Laine :cool:

Mahvelous! :blob2:

[amber]

I do like a clean pool. ;)
Don't we all? ;)

[strandinthewind]

Geez. :rolleyes: Can I be your maid? Your dogwatcher/walker? :laugh:


You can maintain the house with the view in Sausalito!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[amber]

You can maintain the house with the view in Sausalito!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I want to maintain the sunny/hot house!!!!
okay, I guess. I swear, I deserve better.....or sunnier..... :laugh:
"what do you mean....'dust'....what is that? I no speak English very well...."
"Yes, I did clean the pool, and I organized your liquor cabinet, too!!!"
"I'm sorry your dogs love me more now..... :D "

:laugh:

[gldstwmn]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I want to maintain the sunny/hot house!!!!
okay, I guess. I swear, I deserve better.....or sunnier..... :laugh:
"what do you mean....'dust'....what is that? I no speak English very well...."
"Yes, I did clean the pool, and I organized your liquor cabinet, too!!!"
"I'm sorry your dogs love me more now..... :D "

:laugh:

Oh Amber, don't worry. I'll fly in on Daddy's jet, we'll go shopping and all will be well. :laugh:

[amber]

Oh Amber, don't worry. I'll fly in on Daddy's jet, we'll go shopping and all will be well. :laugh:
:lol:
New dresses!!!!! Hey, bring a masseuse, too, would'ja??? :woohoo:
(I'm an uppity maid)

[strandinthewind]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I want to maintain the sunny/hot house!!!!
okay, I guess. I swear, I deserve better.....or sunnier..... :laugh:
"what do you mean....'dust'....what is that? I no speak English very well...."
"Yes, I did clean the pool, and I organized your liquor cabinet, too!!!"
"I'm sorry your dogs love me more now..... :D "

:laugh:


so maybe the house on the cliff in Santa Barbara would be better :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[amber]

so maybe the house on the cliff in Santa Barbara would be better :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:
:xoxo:
Now you're talking smack!!!!

[sparky]

and that whore Sparky could not be satisfied with just you and I doubt my lilt is his type :cool:

Whore ? Slander !

:laugh:

I think D just might be plenty to satisfy me.

[strandinthewind]

Whore ? Slander !

:laugh:

I think D just might be plenty to satisfy me.


well, when the going gets tough - we can always hire in :eek: :p :angel: :angel:

[sparky]

well, when the going gets tough - we can always hire in :eek: :p :angel: :angel:

Indeed. I believe the pool boy is straight, but perhaps I can interview gardeners and security. :blob1:

[strandinthewind]

Indeed. I believe the pool boy is straight, but perhaps I can interview gardeners and security. :blob1:

Don't forget my private handlers who will help me make it to my room when I have another one of my "headaches," awaken and carry me from the limo to bed after a night out, etc. :laugh:

[amber]

Indeed. I believe the pool boy is straight, but perhaps I can interview gardeners and security. :blob1:
:lol: :lol:
No. all security and groundskeepers are mine. Why will you want? You'll be world traveling. :cool: I mean, sure, i wasn't even originally invited into the scenario, but still!!

[sparky]

Don't forget my private handlers who will help me make it to my room when I have another one of my "headaches," awaken and carry me from the limo to bed after a night out, etc. :laugh:

Oh, man. There are a number of positions to fill, aren't there ? :wavey:

On a serious note, I do need a gardener. The pool guy is great, but I can't find a decent gardener to save my life. :distress:

[sparky]

:lol: :lol:
no. all security and groundskeepers are mine. Why will you want? You'll be world traveling. :cool:

Lord. Evidently it takes a village... :laugh:

I am not that fond of traveling, honestly. I suspect I will need some standby pinch hitters.

Fine, Homegirl. The Italian Chef is mine all mine. :woohoo:

[amber]

Lord. Evidently it takes a village... :laugh:

I am not that fond of traveling, honestly. I suspect I will need some standby pinch hitters.

Fine, Homegirl. The Italian Chef is mine all mine. :woohoo:
oh! right, the Italian chef. Sorry, i forgot to tell you, he's bi.... :lol: But he can do things with Olive Oil that would astound you.

[sparky]

oh! right, the Italian chef. Sorry, i forgot to tell you, he's bi.... :lol: But he can do things with Olive Oil that would astound you.

Good, so can I. :shocked:

[amber]

Good, so can I. :shocked:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Sweet. You can have everything, actually, Strand didn't really invite me to this suare. It was just fun making stuff up. :lol: tell imaginary pool boy I said "hey". :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

I am drawing the line at the chef - he will be graduated from Le Cordon Bleuand French - though Italian lineage is not a deal killer :cool:

[strandinthewind]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Sweet. You can have everything, actually, Strand didn't really invite me to this suare. It was just fun making stuff up. :lol: tell imaginary pool boy I said "hey". :laugh:

I gave you a house in Sausalito - was that good enought - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I upgrade you Santa Barbara and are you happy - noooooooooooooooooooooo

What's next San Simeon :laugh:

[amber]

I gave you a house in Sausalito - was that good enought - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I upgrade you Santa Barbara and are you happy - noooooooooooooooooooooo

What's next San Simeon :laugh:
:lol: :lol:
Of course I was happy!
That was only after I asked if I could be the maid, though. :cool:
Ahhhh, San Simeon....
:laugh:
*I'll need a car...* :lol:

[gldstwmn]

Lord The Italian Chef is mine all mine. :woohoo:

We're hiring Johnny Stew?

[dissention]

Where am I sleeping? In the garage?

I'll cozy up the pool house for you since I've already taken the master bedroom.

[gldstwmn]

I'll cozy up the pool house for you since I've already taken the master bedroom.

Thud. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[dissention]

I was unaware of the other fandom.

I've heard the term "shipper" used all over the place on the net, it's nothing that originated in Mac circles, I can say that much.

[dissention]

LMAO - Diss. is sooooooooooooooooooo Helen to my Stanley :cool:

I do some mean macrame to boot. That'll be my first job: making Goldie a nice macrame plant holder that she can hang in the corner of the room over the chlorine and pool shock.

[dissention]

Whore ? Slander !

:laugh:

I think D just might be plenty to satisfy me.

:D

You'd probably be right about that.

[dissention]

The Italian Chef is mine all mine. :woohoo:

I think it's established that if you go for the Italians, you're no prude. :lol:

[amber]

I think it's established that if you go for the Italians, you're no prude. :lol:
Duly astablished.
carry on.

[gldstwmn]

I do some mean macrame to boot. That'll be my first job: making Goldie a nice macrame plant holder that she can hang in the corner of the room over the chlorine and pool shock.

Hissssssss.

[dissention]

Hissssssss.

Just for that I'll use brown yarn.

[gldstwmn]

Just for that I'll use brown yarn.

As you wish, dear. Daddy Strandie has already promised me my own wing. I plan to make use of the pool house only when I need to show the nice pool boy where the pools things are kept. :woohoo:

[amber]

Just for that I'll use brown yarn.
But...how will you hang your plants? :confused:

[amber]

As you wish, dear. Daddy Strandie has already promised me my own wing. I plan to make use of the pool house only when I need to show the nice pool boy where the pools things are kept. :woohoo:
ie, it's a fabulous room with a giant bed, a mini kitchen, a fabulous bathroom with a sauna and jacuzzi, an upstairs private balcony, and....*whew!*

[sparky]

We're hiring Johnny Stew?

Strand has some specific educational requirements.

I am going to have to conduct some in depth interviews of those with qualified training backgrounds.

[sparky]

Just for that I'll use brown yarn.

Is there anything else used for those ? Maybe burnt orange...

[dissention]

Is there anything else used for those ? Maybe burnt orange...

*shudder*

Just thinking of them makes me impotent.

[gldstwmn]

Strand has some specific educational requirements.

I am going to have to conduct some in depth interviews of those with qualified training backgrounds.

I heard that's the way you Hollywood people do it. :p

[gldstwmn]

Is there anything else used for those ? Maybe burnt orange...

Oh lord, twenty five years ago, I think I actually had one of those in burnt orange...

[Glittermoondust]

I remember when I was younger my mom had one of those macrame owls......with the big wood beads for eyes and a tree twig for its branch :lol: I guess I'm telling my age now :shocked: How did this thread go from show spoiler, to Stevie lovers, to a fight about I don't know what--couldn't really keep track, to house plans!! :lol: :lol: :lol: You guys and gals really crack me up!!

Amy

[sparky]

Oh lord, twenty five years ago, I think I actually had one of those in burnt orange...

My sister did. With a ton of brown beads all over it :shocked:


My best friend's mother was the QUEEN of macrame in the 70's and made, get this, an enormous macrame wine rack. That thing takes up an entire wall. It lives in the basement, and is still in use. I kid you not, that beast is 7 feet tall, and about 10 feet long. She refuses to get rid of it because it took her almost a year to make the damned thing. :lol:

[amber]

So, but, I don't have those, but how should you hang your plants?
I can only take yarn in very small quantities.

[gldstwmn]

My sister did. With a ton of brown beads all over it :shocked:


My best friend's mother was the QUEEN of macrame in the 70's and made, get this, an enormous macrame wine rack. That thing takes up an entire wall. It lives in the basement, and is still in use. I kid you not, that beast is 7 feet tall, and about 10 feet long. She refuses to get rid of it because it took her almost a year to make the damned thing. :lol:

This made me laugh so hard. I used to have a six footer that I had this huge viney plant in that I can't remember the name of now.
I was watching some movie that was made in the late 70's the other night and it had them all over it. Plants everywhere! :lol:

[gldstwmn]

So, but, I don't have those, but how should you hang your plants?
I can only take yarn in very small quantities.

I have a couple of bamboo now and that's it. The cats consume anything else, including fresh flowers because naturally they think anything I bring into this house must be for them.

[Johnny Stew]

We're hiring Johnny Stew?Strand has some specific educational requirements.But I's edumacated! :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

Strand has some specific educational requirements.

I am going to have to conduct some in depth interviews of those with qualified training backgrounds.


You may have to do a European tour - tasting sausage and slurping linguine throughout the former Roman Empire - of course, you will need a schnitzle in Barvaria and a hot strudel in upper Germany.

[SapphireSister]

I must say I'm very disappointed there is no HSML in the set list...
You know I didn't even like this song for the longest time on the album until I heard a live boot and I fell in love and it has become one of my favorite Stevie songs. When she did it in Vegas it was the first song they let people rush to the stage for and I was standing directly in front of her at the stage looking into her eyes and the power of this song is so profound and it's so sexy aaaah I will never forget that moment. How she could keep Sorcerer and drop HSML is beyond me :confused:

[strandinthewind]

I must say I'm very disappointed there is no HSML in the set list...
You know I didn't even like this song for the longest time on the album until I heard a live boot and I fell in love and it has become one of my favorite Stevie songs. When she did it in Vegas it was the first song they let people rush to the stage for and I was standing directly in front of her at the stage looking into her eyes and the power of this song is so profound and it's so sexy aaaah I will never forget that moment. How she could keep Sorcerer and drop HSML is beyond me :confused:

I think she should drop them both do two songs of hers she has never done before.

[SapphireSister]

I think she should drop them both do two songs of hers she has never done before.

Hey I'd be all for that! My first choice would be I Can't Wait of course (even though she's done it on one tour). Let's bring back Rooms too! That song is soooo powerful live. Ok something rare, I'm thinking OMBTRARS since we all know how much I love that song. Has she ever done Crystal live? (or within the last 20 years?)