Would TISL have done better if...

[dudden22]

I am new here but I have reading over posts. Do you think Trouble in Shangri La would have been a killer album if Stevie" Voice had been on par with Bella Donna. I loved the lyrics to Candlebright but the vocals killed it. I do have to say that "that made me stronger" and "love changes" should have never made the album in the first place.

[CreepingDeath]

Space Needle & Touched By An Angel made the cut over TMMS and TFFT.

[dissention]

Her voice is cold and metallic on that album. That's mainly what I don't dig about it. I also think a much stronger second half would have sold it better. As soon as it gets to Too Far From Texas, everything is spotty.

[ontheEdgeof17]

It shouldn't have been released on the same day as Destiny's Child. It could have opened closer to the top spot.

And Diss is right...it is too spotty on the second half for 'casual' fans to like it to spread the word.

[dudden22]

Her voice is cold and metallic on that album. That's mainly what I don't dig about it. I also think a much stronger second half would have sold it better. As soon as it gets to Too Far From Texas, everything is spotty.

I completely agree. I hate to say it but the best song on that album was written in the seventies, POTU, but the title track would have been killer with better vocals.

[Johnny Stew]

I think 'TISL' is a killer album, exactly the way it is. :nod:

And dissy needs new speakers (or new ears :laugh: )... her voice doesn't sound cold and metallic.
Definitely sounds processed in parts of "Planets," though, but I do believe that was on purpose.

[strandinthewind]

Her voice is cold and metallic on that album. That's mainly what I don't dig about it. I also think a much stronger second half would have sold it better. As soon as it gets to Too Far From Texas, everything is spotty.

Interestingly, it was not so on the demos -at all. Plus, I guess she has her reasons for doing things, but Space Needle had SUCH potential and we have never seen it two or three records later :shrug: But, maybe on the next record.

Note - I like TISL, esp. the titular track. But, it is not my fav. by any means and I blame that on the production quality, which was not to my liking.

[dissention]

I completely agree. I hate to say it but the best song on that album was written in the seventies, POTU, but the title track would have been killer with better vocals.

I adore the title track, even the computerization at the end is a bit overkill. :nod: Some of the songs are among her most overproduced and are devoid of any emotion that I can feel (namely Love Is, etc.). Others like It's Only Love are sparse and beautiful. It's a mixed bag. However, I simply can't believe that casual fans would pick up the album, listen to songs like That Made Me Stronger and Too Far From Texas, and then recommend it to others.

[Johnny Stew]

it is too spotty on the second half for 'casual' fans to like it to spread the word.Typically, I have to disagree... the second half is the strongest, IMO.
"It's Only Love," "Love Changes," "I Miss You," "Bombay Sapphires," "Fall From Grace" and "Love Is," make up one of my favorite sections of any of Stevie's albums.

[GardenStateGirlie]

TISL is probably my favorite Stevie album. I think it is her best work since her early stuff. Her voice is spot on and you can really feel the conviction in her voice as she's singing. I will always love listening to that album. Considering she hadn't had a solo album out for several years, TISL was quite the comeback for Miss Nicks and I think it did fare quite well.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Typically, I have to disagree... the second half is the strongest, IMO.
"It's Only Love," "Love Changes," "I Miss You," "Bombay Sapphires," "Fall From Grace" and "Love Is," make up one of my favorite sections of any of Stevie's albums.


I love the songs....just not together.


Slow song
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It just doesn't work. It drags more than RuPaul.

[dudden22]

I adore the title track, even the computerization at the end is a bit overkill. :nod: Some of the songs are among her most overproduced and are devoid of any emotion that I can feel (namely Love Is, etc.). Others like It's Only Love are sparse and beautiful. It's a mixed bag. However, I simply can't believe that casual fans would pick up the album, listen to songs like That Made Me Stronger and Too Far From Texas, and then recommend it to others.

As much as I love Stevie, I just know she can do better vocally! eg: the dance, BATB vegas :] Why doesn't she put that energy into her studio recordings recently.

[dissention]

As much as I love Stevie, I just know she can do better vocally! eg: the dance, BATB vegas :] Why doesn't she put that energy into her studio recordings recently.

Good question. Listening to Running Through the Garden and Everybody Finds Out, you can tell someone lit a fire under her ass during the recording. Then listen to the appallingly lethargic Thrown Down, Say You Will, and Destiny Rules. It's like night and day. I think she gets stuck in a rut with her voice quite often.

[dudden22]

Good question. Listening to Running Through the Garden and Everybody Finds Out, you can tell someone lit a fire under her ass during the recording. Then listen to the appallingly lethargic Thrown Down, Say You Will, and Destiny Rules. It's like night and day. I think she gets stuck in a rut with her voice quite often.

I have to disagree, I loved thrown down, she went for the high notes, I loved destiny rules, except the repeating of the same verse on the same album :shocked: .

[dissention]

I have to disagree, I loved thrown down, she went for the high notes, I loved destiny rules, except the repeating of the same verse on the same album :shocked: .

:sorry: I hear nothing high in Thrown Down and Destiny Rules brings us The Return of GrannyVoice. She sounds like she's riding a goat in the latter.

[strandinthewind]

:sorry: I hear nothing high in Thrown Down and Destiny Rules brings us The Return of GrannyVoice. She sounds like she's riding a goat in the latter.

In the video sniglet of her making it, her voice is seemingly higher than the final product.

I have to say, though I love his work, I do not like LB's production of her stuff on SYW with a few exeptions like GB.

[GypsySorcerer]

:sorry: I hear nothing high in Thrown Down and Destiny Rules brings us The Return of GrannyVoice. She sounds like she's riding a goat in the latter.

Her voice is soooo deep on "Destiny Rules." I still enjoy it, mainly for the lyrics and Lindsey's guitar.

[dissention]

I have to say, though I love his work, I do not like LB's production of her stuff on SYW with a few exeptions like GB.

I agree. A lot of the production is either plastic (Running Through the Garden) or ultimate cheese (Everybody Finds Out) or so saccharine that my teeth rot (Say You Will). Other times he hits the mark.

[dudden22]

Typically, I have to disagree... the second half is the strongest, IMO.
"It's Only Love," "Love Changes," "I Miss You," "Bombay Sapphires," "Fall From Grace" and "Love Is," make up one of my favorite sections of any of Stevie's albums.

I just can't compare that section to the last half of Bella Donna or Wild Heart and I love Stevie. I think she is one of greatest lyricist our time. I just felt dissappointed in her comeback. With the exception of FFG and POTU. I don't think her voice sounded any better that it was on street angel. It was not the same voice we hear on the dance or BATB in vegas. I miss that about her.

[Johnny Stew]

I love the songs....just not together.


Slow song
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Rock Out
Slow Song


It just doesn't work. It drags more than RuPaul.What do you think of 'Bella Donna'?

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[Johnny Stew]

Then listen to the appallingly lethargic Thrown Down....I think she sings the verses in the 'SYW' version with far more conviction than the 'TISL' outtake (which you prefer).

The chorus vocals are kickier on the 'TISL' outtake, I'll grant you, but "lethargic" is definitely a better description for its verse vocals.

By the way, you're not a big Barry White fan, are ya? :laugh:

[GardenStateGirlie]

or ultimate cheese (Everybody Finds Out)



God, you're such a hater! :laugh:

[dudden22]

[QUOTE=Johnny Stew]I think she sings the verses in the 'SYW' version with far more conviction than the 'TISL' outtake (which you prefer).

The chorus vocals are kickier on the 'TISL' outtake, I'll grant you, but "lethargic" is definitely a better description for its verse vocals.

I competely agree. I do love the SYW version :thumbsup:

[High Priestess]

Her really deep vocals are a bit of a downer! We all ORIGINALY fell in love with her soft whimsical melted honey voice..THOSE DAYS ARE LONG GONE HONEY!!!

[High Priestess]

TISL is a great album..lots of heart..her vocals hurt her comeback!
Yes..I would love to hear every song with her voice in 81-82!!!!! :rolleyes:

[dudden22]

:shrug: Her really deep vocals are a bit of a downer! We all ORIGINALY fell in love with her soft whimsical melted honey voice..THOSE DAYS ARE LONG GONE HONEY!!!

I know but she did so well on the dance and BATB in vegas. Why doesn't she put that energy and intensity into her recent albums. :shrug:

[dudden22]

:Yes..I would love to hear every song with her voice in 81-82!!!!! :rolleyes:
:p Nice sarcasm :rolleyes:

[rianbay1]

With the exception of FFG and POTU. I don't think her voice sounded any better that it was on street angel.


Are you kidding me with this?!?!?! :sorry: Listen to the high notes she hits on "Sorcerer" and "It's only Love." Vocally, I think it may be her strongest album period...or at very least since The Wild Heart.

See, it's all a matter of opinion. I think TISL may be her masterpiece (up to this point anyway)

I do agree about BATB from vegas....wow.

[LiquidBlue5000]

I love the songs....just not together.


Slow song
Slow/Medium tempo song
Slow song
Slow song
Rock Out
Slow Song


It just doesn't work. It drags more than RuPaul.

i totally agree... the arrangement should have been different.. maybe swapping That Made Me Stronger with I Miss You would have helped the flow a little better :nod:

[LiquidBlue5000]

With the exception of FFG and POTU. I don't think her voice sounded any better that it was on street angel. It was not the same voice we hear on the dance or BATB in vegas. I miss that about her.

I really don't think you can compare Stevie's Street Angel voice to her TISL voice.... in alot of ways, her voice was better in 1994 - it was stronger, she sang out alot more, and there was great passion behind her words (you can hear it especially in the live shows from that tour)... But then again, some people may consider her TISL voice to be better because she had more range and regained some of her more feminine tone (the Street Angel voice was quite deep)... i guess it's all preference.. :cool:

[jkmaletic]

My 2 cents-

I think TISL is her best work, hands down. She does too, so therefore I'm right! :D hheeheeheee... ;)

~Jamie

[GateandGarden]

I am one of the very few people who thinks Stevie Nicks' voice is better now than it has ever been.

That said, the album probably didn't sell because Stevie isn't considered "bootylicious" by the record-buying public.I agree. Sadly, she's too old at this point to sell like Destiny's Child and others, so I think any lack of record sales has more to do with that than anything else such as vocal quality or track order. Besides, if vocal quality had anything to do with anything these days, Britney and Ashlee wouldn't sell, right?

Anyway, I love her voice from earlier recordings but I love her voice now, too. At first, I was far more into her current voice because it struck me as so mature, sexy, deep, rich...oh I could go on and on. Nowadays I'm not as obsessive about it, but, oddly enough (since it was mentioned unfavorably at the beginning of the thread) whenever I hear "Candlebright" I just think it's pure sex and I have to stop whatever I'm doing to listen to all of it. :laugh: Seriously, there's this part near the end, at about 4:17 when she says "still I love you" that I hear and I almost die. OMG. So sensual. I have to disagree with you, diss, (not an anomaly, really :laugh: ) because I think her more current voice has plenty of emotion and conviction in it. And I don't think songs like "Destiny Rules" and "Say You Will" are lackluster. :shrug: I figured that the reason they sound different from "Running Through the Garden" is just that they're different songs, not that she's giving them any less of herself. And as for "Thrown Down," well, there's something lackluster about that song in general, including the production. I wouldn't blame it on Stevie's vocals. Anyway, [/end rambling]

[cliffdweller]

But, it is not my fav. by any means and I blame that on the production quality, which was not to my liking.

Sheryl Crow should have produced the entire album as I've said numerous times before. Unfortunately her schedule couldn't permit it at the time.

Diss is right, the second half of the album is spotty, and to me, sounds like a hodgepodge of guest musician contribution but not collaboration, therefore, Stevie and all her "Stevieness" (lol!) got lost somewhere in the middle of it all. I was looking forward to a Stevie Nicks album, not a Stevie Nicks and Friends album. For instance, I'm sure Stevie will wake up one day and ask herself why she ever worked with Macy Gray :laugh: :sorry:. Also, if she was going to have guest vocals, I wish it would have only been Sheryl (who she sounds so good with and collaborates so well with) or no guest vocalists at all! Too many cooks (producers and guest musicians) were in the kitchen and it made for a somewhat disjointed album imo.

[ontheEdgeof17]

What do you think of 'Bella Donna'?

Slow song
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It's consistent. It flows fairly well, unlike TISL where all but one power hitter is in the beginning of the album.

[MacMan]

Sheryl Crow should have produced the entire album as I've said numerous times before. Unfortunately her schedule couldn't permit it at the time.

Diss is right, the second half of the album is spotty, and to me, sounds like a hodgepodge of guest musician contribution but not collaboration, therefore, Stevie and all her "Stevieness" (lol!) got lost somewhere in the middle of it all. I was looking forward to a Stevie Nicks album, not a Stevie Nicks and Friends album. For instance, I'm sure Stevie will wake up one day and ask herself why she ever worked with Macy Gray :laugh: :sorry:. Also, if she was going to have guest vocals, I wish it would have only been Sheryl (who she sounds so good with and collaborates so well with) or no guest vocalists at all! Too many cooks (producers and guest musicians) were in the kitchen and it made for a somewhat disjointed album imo.

I disagree, since you can barely hear Macy Gray anyway... and Sarah McLaughlin only adds to Love Is at just the right amount of volume to know she's there... she's a compliment to the track. The only one that really stands out in my mind is Natalie Maines, and I think it works as well...

I don't have a problem with the cd what so ever, and I love John Shanks contribution to the album... it makes for a very full sound, which I prefer... I like what Sheryl did as well.. Over all I think it's brilliant, cept for maybe That Made Me Stronger.. Never did warm up to that one.

[johnny4406]

I think TISL is a great album. There are a lot of slow songs on the second half of the record, but that makes "Fall from grace" stand out, and be the amazing song that it is.

[dissention]

I really don't think you can compare Stevie's Street Angel voice to her TISL voice.... in alot of ways, her voice was better in 1994 - it was stronger, she sang out alot more, and there was great passion behind her words (you can hear it especially in the live shows from that tour)... But then again, some people may consider her TISL voice to be better because she had more range and regained some of her more feminine tone (the Street Angel voice was quite deep)... i guess it's all preference.. :cool:

She kicked major ass on the Street Angel tour. Who could have predicted that she'd release her worst album and then follow it with one of her best tours? Not me. Her voice was strong and powerful on that tour, even when she was sick with bronchitis. My favorite era for her voice has to be from '94-'98 because there was so much power and force behind it. The strength in which she sings Silver Springs on The Dance is awe-inspiring. It's only since about '01 that I think her voice has started to really go downhill. It seems to have lost a lot of the power that it had a few years ago, but aparrently I'm the only one thinks so. :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

For instance, I'm sure Stevie will wake up one day and ask herself why she ever worked with Macy Gray :laugh: :sorry:Maybe so, but I can't even hear Macy Gray on that track! :laugh: It's like she might as well not be there. Kind of like the "Bootylicious" video. You get a flash of Stevie and you can hardly tell it's Stevie!

[chiliD]

I do have to say that "that made me stronger" and "love changes" should have never made the album in the first place.

Two of my faves from the album! :shocked: Not a chance..."That Made Me Stronger" is probably my #1 fave on the album.

"Touched By An Angel", though, should've made the album instead of being relegated to some obscure movie soundtrack. But, after listening to TISL incessantly for the last couple of days, I now can't think of what song it would replace :shrug: ...so, I'm thinking that TISL should've just been one song longer. :nod:

Who could have predicted that she'd release her worst album and then follow it with one of her best tours?

A lot of that had to do with her having probably her 2nd best backup band (her first one, the Bella Donna band, being probably the best). Having Rick Vito handle the lead/slide guitar slot for that tour was a real coup...if only Waddy Wachtel (who I really don't like all THAT much, but he's definitely better than Carlos Rios) had been there instead of Carlos. Russ Kunkel on drums again (AND her "musical director" for that tour, too!) And, the ubiquitous Sharon Celani, along with THE Sara Fleetwood on background vocals...that WAS one helluva tour.

[GateandGarden]

Two of my faves from the album! :shocked: Not a chance..."That Made Me Stronger" is probably my #1 fave on the album.You can join me in praising that song while everyone else ridicules us for liking it at all! :laugh:

[chiliD]

You can join me in praising that song while everyone else ridicules us for liking it at all! :laugh:


(preachin' to the choir) Just listen to/read the lyrics...it is/was a major turning point in the end of Stevie's writer's block. Plus, any song that has the "sound" of Magical Mystery Tour-era Beatles, is just fine by me!

Anyone else think that "Bombay Sapphires" would make a good song for Sting to cover?

[GateandGarden]

Anyone else think that "Bombay Sapphires" would make a good song for Sting to cover?Sounds good to me. Of course, anything's better than his very recent efforts, IMO! :laugh: :sorry:

Oh, how I wish there could be another Nothin' Like the Sun or Dream of the Blue Turtles.

[Christopher]

TISL, while not a blockbuster success, was a success on many levels: artistically, critically while still achieving moderate sales success for a female singer in her 50's, There are only a handful left that can still have that success at her age, and be supported by a major label.

I think its possible TISL could have done even better if they had released Sorcerer as the lead single (the Sheryl Crow mix).

To my ears Stevies voice sounds strong on TISL, mostly she belts the album. But I was most impressed with the warm honey vocal on "Its only Love" where she reminded me that she can still sing like its the late 70's early 80's all over again. YUM~

And I agree Stevies SA voice in completely different to TISL, but thats really no different from any other Stevie recording. The only recordings that come to mind where her voice remained consistent was Bella Donna to Mirage.

[SpyNote]

TISL is still my favorite album behind Bella Donna. If I were producer, I would have done the following:

-- Used the alternate mix of "Bombay Sapphires." While it does have a somewhat "world music" sound, the vocals are better and the arrangement is much more compelling, particularly at the end when the tempo speeds up slightly. There is also a nicely defined, edgy bassline that serves as its foundation; the TISL version is nearly void of one. On this version, Stevie should have followed through with her desire to have Sting sing on the track. His high harmonies would have complimented Stevie's lower vocal nicely, in the same respect that his harmonies did wonders against Mark Knoffler's on the otherwise annoying 80s hit "Money for Nothing." But even without him, this version boasts Stevie's high harmonies (at least, I think it's her) in the second and third choruses, which are lacking on the TISL version. This is an example where Stevie should have followed her own past advice not to be her own producer.

-- Bumped all of the non-Stevie penned tracks to b-sides. "Every Day," "Too Far from Texas" and even "It's Only Love" (though I agree the production value is strong) are forgettable tracks. She should have truly followed Tom Petty's "you write your songs yourself" advice and stuck to her own material. All of Stevie's solo records could have been stronger without these lightweight contributions weighing them down.

-- Replaced "Every Day" with "My Heart." The one thing that TISL needed was a hook that could be effectively marketed to radio. I don't think it's her best song, but it had stronger AC hit potential than "Every Day," which was a very weak track on almost every level. Bad lyrics, mediocre vocal, and generally uninteresting.

-- Dumped John Shanks. I think the "cold and metallic" problem comes from his production which is heavy on the pro tools component. Sheryl Crow's production work seems to be more organic and is akin to the production value of Bella Donna. It would been have nice to hear how TISL would have sounded if she'd finished the album. They were definitely on the right track, but taking way too long.

[gldstwmn]

Anyone else think that "Bombay Sapphires" would make a good song for Sting to cover?

I love that song. If only she would have asked him to sing on it with her!

[High Priestess]

Stevie tends to be lazy...she gets insecure about her vocal range I'm sure!
So she sings lower not to disapoint her inconsistencies of being able to count
on her voice being there on the road!She has never ONCE sang Sorcerer HIGH NOTES LIVE!!!! Beauty & The Beast was great in Vegas..I was there..but all in all the show was not that great!!! Total Rehash!!!

[dissention]

Stevie tends to be lazy...she gets insecure about her vocal range I'm sure!
So she sings lower not to disapoint her inconsistencies of being able to count
on her voice being there on the road!She has never ONCE sang Sorcerer HIGH NOTES LIVE!!!! Beauty & The Beast was great in Vegas..I was there..but all in all the show was not that great!!! Total Rehash!!!

It's all about protection, sweet girl. :laugh:

One of these days I just want to go a Stevie show and see her tear it up with reckless abandon. Just go ape**** with her voice. One night of screaming won't kill it for good. :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

-- Replaced "Every Day" with "My Heart." The one thing that TISL needed was a hook that could be effectively marketed to radio. I don't think it's her best song, but it had stronger AC hit potential than "Every Day," which was a very weak track on almost every level. Bad lyrics, mediocre vocal, and generally uninteresting. Oh no. I can't have that! :laugh: I love everything about that song, and I think "My Heart" is just okay...it has potential to be better. "Every Day" got me into Stevie. I fell in love with her because of that song. (I bet y'all are all tired of reading that, huh? :lol: )

[Highwayman]

Is Everybody Finds Out even a Fleetwood Mac song? It sounds more like a Rupert Hine production that FM just put on the album.

I think releasing Every Day as the first single was the killer for TISL, just like Say You Will and Peacekeeper as singles killed SYW (should have been SYHA and RttG). That too-low voice growling out the lyrics. For what was being played at the time on pop radio, Love Changes would have been a much better choice -- more uptempo, sparser instrumentation, lighter melody, easier-to-sing-along-to lyrics.

Musically, I think TISL was a fine album. Vocally, I think it was fine. Lyrically, I think it was weak. The words put together in the songs don't seem to make sense to me. I don't get the lyrics to TISL (the song), but it is my favorite. I don't get the beginning of POTU. TMMS and IMU, I can't relate to fame, Paris to Rome, and songwriting. She could have used better metaphors to bring the meaning "down" to my level. TFFT should have been done more country. I guess this album is almost "too Nicksian" in some ways to capture a main stream audience.

[GateandGarden]

That too-low voice growling out the lyrics.You're killing me and Christopher (diamondsnake) with that. :laugh: He needs to show up to carry on about how much sexier her voice is like that. :nod:

[LeighB04]

Come back Jimmy - all is forgiven! In MHO, the albums Iovine produced were far superior to what has followed - he seemed to understand her sound and voice better than anyone. She could go a little ape**** in the studio - I wouldn't mind! The vocals she offered on live performances like hers and Buck's cover of Green Manalishi were mind blowing.... a couple studio songs like that and she'd be getting a whole lot of new fans.

Personally, I'd love to see her bring out a box set of stuff we haven't heard (officially) - clean up some of the gorgeous demos, outtakes and live performances, instead of yet another set that all her fans have already...

[GypsySorcerer]

She kicked major ass on the Street Angel tour. Who could have predicted that she'd release her worst album and then follow it with one of her best tours? Not me. Her voice was strong and powerful on that tour, even when she was sick with bronchitis. My favorite era for her voice has to be from '94-'98 because there was so much power and force behind it. The strength in which she sings Silver Springs on The Dance is awe-inspiring. It's only since about '01 that I think her voice has started to really go downhill. It seems to have lost a lot of the power that it had a few years ago, but aparrently I'm the only one thinks so. :laugh:

I agree her voice was stronger then. Watching The Dance and LIB back-to-back demonstrates how much thinner her voice sounds now. (Though it was much stronger in Vegas.) :nod:

[The Tower]

I like John Shanks' production. Sheryl Crow's was too sparse, plain and not very inventive. A first year engineering student could have come up with the sound presented on "Candlebright".

The middle of the album is the stinker.

"Too Far From Texas"
"That Made Me Stronger"
"It's Only Love"
"Love Changes"

All of them stinkers. "Planets of the Universe" should have been the lead-off, across the board single- not just as a dance club track. While I like "Every Day", it's not all that great. "Sorcerer" should have never been a single.

With a few song changes and better marketing/A&R, this album could have been a monster. Instead, it came out roaring and dropped away fairly quickly- the only exception being POTU as a dance track. That sucker went to number one and was in the clubs here in WeHo for quite a bit of time. I think that's probably the most amazing and interesting quirk from this album- a 53 year old "70's dinosaur" rock-n-roller getting a number one dance club single. Awesome.

[LiquidBlue5000]

She kicked major ass on the Street Angel tour. Who could have predicted that she'd release her worst album and then follow it with one of her best tours? Not me. Her voice was strong and powerful on that tour, even when she was sick with bronchitis. My favorite era for her voice has to be from '94-'98 because there was so much power and force behind it. The strength in which she sings Silver Springs on The Dance is awe-inspiring. It's only since about '01 that I think her voice has started to really go downhill. It seems to have lost a lot of the power that it had a few years ago, but aparrently I'm the only one thinks so. :laugh:

No dis, you're not the only one who thinks so... it is very obvious that her voice has lost it's strength since '97/'98.. but i don't think she neccessarily "lost it", i just think she holds back way too much.. it's still there, but she's "saving it" for some odd reason... maybe it's the vocal lessons?? i remember hearing how she started to take vocal lessons in 1998... funny, that was the year her voice started to sound thinner and much more guarded.. :rolleyes:

[LiquidBlue5000]

I like John Shanks' production. Sheryl Crow's was too sparse, plain and not very inventive. A first year engineering student could have come up with the sound presented on "Candlebright".


Werd! :p

John Shanks was definately the better of the two producers used for TISL.. :nod:

[SapphireSister]

I think TISL is definitely Stevie's masterpiece. I never thought I could love an album as much as RAL but this just about surpasses it in my book. She may not take a whole lot of chances vocally but the final product is beautiful. This is the best she has sounded since the early 80's. There are several songs on this album that are on my list of favorite Stevie songs including Bombay Sapphires, TISL, and Fall From Grace. However I could have done without Too Far from TX and That Made me Stronger (insert Space Needle).

I believe the album did not do as well as it should have because they made the mistake of releasing Everyday as the first single which is a mediocre song at best. There were far better songs they could have released that would have increased sales of the album. In fact I don't think Everyday should have been released as a single at all, let alone the lead single.

[ontheEdgeof17]

"Planets of the Universe" should have been the lead-off, across the board single- not just as a dance club track. While I like "Every Day", it's not all that great. "Sorcerer" should have never been a single.



What should have been then?

I agree that Planets should have lead off the album. I would have put out Sorceror next....Everyday...and end with Fall From Grace

[dissention]

The middle of the album is the stinker.

"Too Far From Texas"
"That Made Me Stronger"
"It's Only Love"
"Love Changes"

All of them stinkers. "Planets of the Universe" should have been the lead-off, across the board single- not just as a dance club track. While I like "Every Day", it's not all that great. "Sorcerer" should have never been a single.


Precisely. Though I love It's Only Love. I think that what really makes the second half so jarring is listening to the first-half. Duh. :laugh: The title track, Candlebright, Sorcerer, POTU, Every Day (which I don't care for but it flows incredibly well), and then BAM Too Far From Texas and the other stinkers, all plopped together. It doesn't really pick up until the fabulous I Miss You, then two more great songs, and then a slow stinker to close it. Horrid sequencing.

Also, it seems to me that the album starts off with four rather dark songs, then gets stuck in this poppy, we've-got-to-make-it-a-bit-happier rut until it reaches the final stretch. I think it would have been amazing if she had included Space Needle, Touched By An Angel, and even Not Make Believe.

[SapphireSister]

What should have been then?

I agree that Planets should have lead off the album. I would have put out Sorceror next....Everyday...and end with Fall From Grace

Was FFG ever released as a single? If not huge mistake. That song is a clear hit.

[dissention]

What should have been then?

I agree that Planets should have lead off the album. I would have put out Sorceror next....Everyday...and end with Fall From Grace

What should have? The title track. With a little tweaking and shortening for radio, it would have kicked balls. Start off with the title track, segue into Fall From Grace, and end the singles with Planets of the Universe. It would have let the world know that the rocker chick was back, not a rocker chick turned AC grandma that they were led to believe she was with the release of Every Day.

[LiquidBlue5000]

What should have been then?

I agree that Planets should have lead off the album. I would have put out Sorceror next....Everyday...and end with Fall From Grace

Planets, Sorcerer, and Fall From Grace should have been the singles... but are there still radio stations out there that would cater to Stevie's type of music?? not many.. at least not around the New York tri-state area... :distress:

[Rickypt]

I love Too Far From Texas and think it's a tremendous asset to the album. Stevie sings countryish very well and has for years: I Don't Want To Know, That's Alright, After The Glitter Fades. I just wish she had done it all herself instead of dueting with Natalie.

[ontheEdgeof17]

The choices for singles has always been a downfall of her albums.

Two Kinds of Love for OSTOM over Long Way To Go? WTH??!?!

[dissention]

Planets, Sorcerer, and Fall From Grace should have been the singles... but are there still radio stations out there that would cater to Stevie's type of music?? not many.. at least not around the New York tri-state area... :distress:

Cater to them, then. Release the rockers to classic rock stations, not the middle-of-the-road fluff. It's as if record companies don't care these days and just release the blandest stuff from their veteran artists. They need to step up and release something killer off the bat, just like they should have with Stevie. It might get a few people talking and interested enough to go out and buy the album.

[dissention]

I just wish she had done it all herself instead of dueting with Natalie.

Ugh, that hog caller ruins anything that might be halfway decent in that song. If it had been just Stevie, it would have been way more listenable.

[chiliD]

Actually, I think you people who think there ARE "stinkers" on TISL have a screw loose. THERE ARE NO STINKERS ON TISL!!!

:shocked: :shocked: (ummm...did I say that out loud?) :shrug:

(yep, you read it correctly...chiliD actually said something positive about a Stevie Nicks album!) ;) :thumbsup:

[LiquidBlue5000]

What should have? The title track. With a little tweaking and shortening for radio, it would have kicked balls. Start off with the title track, segue into Fall From Grace, and end the singles with Planets of the Universe. It would have let the world know that the rocker chick was back, not a rocker chick turned AC grandma that they were led to believe she was with the release of Every Day.

Totally!!

I think "Every Day" being used as a first single really set a bad tone for the album... WAY too adult contemporary and not very Stevie Nicks-sounding at all.. Stevie Nicks is the "Queen Of Rock", yes? Every Day is not exactly a rockin' tune :distress:
god, i hate that song... :(

[strandinthewind]

Actually, I think you people who think there ARE "stinkers" on TISL have a screw loose. THERE ARE NO STINKERS ON TISL!!!

:shocked: :shocked: (ummm...did I say that out loud?) :shrug:

(yep, you read it correctly...chiliD actually said something positive about a Stevie Nicks album!) ;) :thumbsup:


:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
and that is all I am a sayin about that

[SapphireSister]

I love Too Far From Texas and think it's a tremendous asset to the album. Stevie sings countryish very well and has for years: I Don't Want To Know, That's Alright, After The Glitter Fades. I just wish she had done it all herself instead of dueting with Natalie.

I LOVE That's Alright. Thanks for bringing it up. In fact I was listening to it this morning :) It's such a fun song and what's strange is that I don't like country music at all and this song definitely has a country feel and yet I still adore it.

[LiquidBlue5000]

Cater to them, then. Release the rockers to classic rock stations, not the middle-of-the-road fluff. It's as if record companies don't care these days and just release the blandest stuff from their veteran artists. They need to step up and release something killer off the bat, just like they should have with Stevie. It might get a few people talking and interested enough to go out and buy the album.

But they would never play those songs, because it wouldn't fit into their "format"... All they played in 2001 from Stevie was "rhiannon" and "dreams" cuz those seem to "fit the formula" better than anything off TISL... i don't even listen to the radio anymore since i got satellite about a year ago... so, who knows what they're even playing these days.. probably "rhiannon" and "dreams" ... :rolleyes:

[chiliD]

But they would never play those songs, because it wouldn't fit into their "format"... All they played in 2001 from Stevie was "rhiannon" and "dreams" cuz those seem to "fit the formula" better than anything off TISL... i don't even listen to the radio anymore since i got satellite about a year ago... so, who knows what they're even playing these days.. probably "rhiannon" and "dreams" ... :rolleyes:

And, umm..."Landslide"...because they'd have to keep up with all the country stations playing the Dixie Chicks version.

[ontheEdgeof17]

But they would never play those songs, because it wouldn't fit into their "format"... All they played in 2001 from Stevie was "rhiannon" and "dreams" cuz those seem to "fit the formula" better than anything off TISL... i don't even listen to the radio anymore since i got satellite about a year ago... so, who knows what they're even playing these days.. probably "rhiannon" and "dreams" ... :rolleyes:

Well....the area porn store had the whole SYW album blasting through the speakers about a week ago. I think the owner is a big fan.

Why I was in the porn store? None of your business. :angel:

[dissention]

But they would never play those songs, because it wouldn't fit into their "format"... All they played in 2001 from Stevie was "rhiannon" and "dreams" cuz those seem to "fit the formula" better than anything off TISL... i don't even listen to the radio anymore since i got satellite about a year ago... so, who knows what they're even playing these days.. probably "rhiannon" and "dreams" ... :rolleyes:

If the record companies chose not to release fluff like Every Day and instead released, say, Fall From Grace as the first single, I'm sure it would get some airplay on the classic rock stations. I mean, Stevie is simply not going to have a radio hit these days, that's why they have to think about their target audience and cater to them. It's rockers like Edge of Seventeen and SDMHA that made her such a success, release something in that vein and see what happens. ****, one of my local stations classic rock stations played RTTG and Come regularly when SYW was released. :shocked:

[LiquidBlue5000]

If the record companies chose not to release fluff like Every Day and instead released, say, Fall From Grace as the first single, I'm sure it would get some airplay on the classic rock stations. I mean, Stevie is simply not going to have a radio hit these days, that's why they have to think about their target audience and cater to them. It's rockers like Edge of Seventeen and SDMHA that made her such a success, release something in that vein and see what happens. ****, one of my local stations classic rock stations played RTTG and Come regularly when SYW was released. :shocked:

i wonder how her solo career would have went if Every Day was released as the first single off "Bella Donna"?? :rolleyes:

i agree with you, dis.. i don't know why they don't seem to get it... it's almost as if it's "inappropriate" for Stevie to release more rockin' songs as singles nowadays and that they are "trying" to turn her into an AC artist... i don't understand...

[skcin]

Well....the area porn store had the whole SYW album blasting through the speakers about a week ago. I think the owner is a big fan.

Why I was in the porn store? None of your business. :angel:


NICE! :lol:

There are A LOT of porn shops in WV & PA - what's the deal with that? :shrug:

[LiquidBlue5000]

Well....the area porn store had the whole SYW album blasting through the speakers about a week ago. I think the owner is a big fan.

Why I was in the porn store? None of your business. :angel:

porn store, huh? u bad boy, u :lol:

[The Tower]

Was FFG ever released as a single? If not huge mistake. That song is a clear hit.
It's too long.

[ontheEdgeof17]

NICE! :lol:

There are A LOT of porn shops in WV & PA - what's the deal with that? :shrug:


There's nothing else to do in the area besides buying adult toys.

Plus, they obviously play great music in there! :thumbsup:

[ontheEdgeof17]

porn store, huh? u bad boy, u :lol:

:lol:

Aw. I'm actually cute and nice. :halo:

[strandinthewind]

:lol:

Aw. I'm actually cute and nice. :halo:


WHATEVER :p :p

[Rickypt]

I LOVE That's Alright.

Me too. It seems like one Stevie could sing live.

[dissention]

There's nothing else to do in the area besides buying adult toys.

Plus, they obviously play great music in there! :thumbsup:

The first adult shop I ever went to was called Miss Piggy's. :laugh: What a disgusting rat trap that place was. The name should have been a dead giveaway, I suppose.

[strandinthewind]

The first adult shop I ever went to was called Miss Piggy's. :laugh: What a disgusting rat trap that place was. The name should have been a dead giveaway, I suppose.

and now, just a few months later, you get frequent flyer miles and/or a have ten free video rentals :p :p :p :p

[ontheEdgeof17]

The first adult shop I ever went to was called Miss Piggy's. :laugh: What a disgusting rat trap that place was. The name should have been a dead giveaway, I suppose.


We have one called The Bookstore. I've never been, but I heard it is nasty.....glory holes and all.

[The Tower]

What should have? The title track. With a little tweaking and shortening for radio, it would have kicked balls.
:nod: It is quite the epic. Although, I don't know if it would have worked as a single in the 21st century. Perhaps, however, both Stevie and her record company don't have enough balls to kick balls.

...not a rocker chick turned AC grandma that they were led to believe she was with the release of Every Day.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: "AC grandma" ..... priceless.

Actually, I think you people who think there ARE "stinkers" on TISL have a screw loose. THERE ARE NO STINKERS ON TISL!!!
HELLO!! :laugh: "That Made Me Stronger" and "Love Changes" are both unlistenable pieces of crapola. I skip 'em every time.

[skcin]

The first adult shop I ever went to was called Miss Piggy's. :laugh: What a disgusting rat trap that place was. The name should have been a dead giveaway, I suppose.

OMG! ROTFLMAO! :laugh: :lol: :laugh:

[dissention]

and now, just a few months later, you get frequent flyer miles and/or a have ten free video rentals :p :p :p :p

Ugh, no, I ran out fo that place. You know you're in a funky place when they have sex swings hanging from the ceiling.

[The Tower]

Me too. It seems like one Stevie could sing live.
While I worship that song from it's Mirage days, there's no way in hell Stevie could pull off that version today. No chance.

[strandinthewind]

While I worship that song from it's Mirage days, there's no way in hell Stevie could pull off that version today. No chance.


After last week, I will never count her out again :shrug: Sure she would lower it, but I think she could sing it.

[The Tower]

After last week, I will never count her out again :shrug: Sure she would lower it, but I think she could sing it.
Not a chance in hell. She nailed that A above middle C on "Iiiiiii'vvvveeee CHANged!", but that was the end of a long-built-up phrase. She would have to hit that same note cold at the intro of the song "MEET ME DOWN by the railway station....." Same note.

While I think she can do it, I don't think she would ever risk it- otherwise something like "Sable on Blond" (which has G's A's and B's all over the place) would have been in the setlist at Vegas.

[Johnny Stew]

It would have let the world know that the rocker chick was back, not a rocker chick turned AC grandma that they were led to believe she was with the release of Every Day.Was she really ever a "rocker chick"? Certainly she had a lot of energy and passion on stage, but the majority of the songs were still basically midtempo pop.

[Johnny Stew]

Actually, I think you people who think there ARE "stinkers" on TISL have a screw loose. THERE ARE NO STINKERS ON TISL!!!

:shocked: :shocked: (ummm...did I say that out loud?) :shrug:

(yep, you read it correctly...chiliD actually said something positive about a Stevie Nicks album!) ;) :thumbsup:See, I knew I'd be a positive influence on you eventually, Steve-o. :xoxo: :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

HELLO!! :laugh: "That Made Me Stronger" and "Love Changes" are both unlistenable pieces of crapola. I skip 'em every time.And Steve and I both love both of 'em. :thumbsup:

[Johnny Stew]

Why I was in the porn store? None of your business.There's nothing else to do in the area besides buying adult toys.:laugh:

Curtie, you let the cat out of the bag right there! ;) :laugh:

[ontheEdgeof17]

:laugh:

Curtie, you let the cat out of the bag right there! ;) :laugh:


I didn't say I used them. ;)


(and I seriously don't)

[Johnny Stew]

And Steve and I both love both of 'em. :thumbsup:And that's the thing with Stevie fans... about the only thing we can agree on, is that we are indeed die-hard Nicks fans (although some claim not to be, while talking about her endlessly... though I'm not naming any names, dissention. :laugh: ).
But we all have wildly different opinions on what makes Stevie, Stevie... and on which of her songs are best... and on what she should or shouldn't perform live... or which songs should or shouldn't have made it onto an album, etc., etc.

Really, Stevie might as well just keep on doing things exactly the way she's doing them, because there's truly no way to please all of us.

[GypsySorcerer]

Was she really ever a "rocker chick"? Certainly she had a lot of energy and passion on stage, but the majority of the songs were still basically midtempo pop.

I think she was. She was certainly one of the few women rockers of her day.

[dissention]

And that's the thing with Stevie fans... about the only thing we can agree on, is that we are indeed die-hard Nicks fans (although some claim not to be, while talking about her endlessly... though I'm not naming any names, dissention. :laugh: ).
But we all have wildly different opinions on what makes Stevie, Stevie... and on which of her songs are best... and on what she should or shouldn't perform live... or which songs should or shouldn't have made it onto an album, etc., etc.

I've never claimed to not be a die-hard fan. I'd have to be in order to slog through Street Angel completely at least once in my life.

Really, Stevie might as well just keep on doing things exactly the way she's doing them, because there's truly no way to please all of us.

That's easy for you to say, everything she does pleases you. :p

[Johnny Stew]

I didn't say I used them. ;) Touché!
:laugh:

(and I seriously don't)Eh, even if you did, there's no shame in it. :xoxo:

[Johnny Stew]

I've never claimed to not be a die-hard fan. I'd have to be in order to slog through Street Angel completely at least once in my life.I could have sworn you said something on Christine's Forum, to the effect that if you were a die-hard fan of Stevie's, you'd have had to hang yourself by now.

That's easy for you to say, everything she does pleases you. :pBut, see, that's a major fallacy. I'm not bowled over by every single thing she's ever done. I see something of value in every song, yes, but that doesn't make each and every one a massive favorite.
I just happen to not complain about the things that don't knock me out, and focus, instead, on the things that do... "those things that made me stay for so long."

[Rickypt]

Not a chance in hell. She nailed that A above middle C on "Iiiiiii'vvvveeee CHANged!", but that was the end of a long-built-up phrase. She would have to hit that same note cold at the intro of the song "MEET ME DOWN by the railway station....." Same note.

I yield to you as I don't know notes very well. Seems like she could lower everything instead of having that intro be so high.

But it's really not worth discussing because there's no way this one would even be considered by Stevie.

[The Tower]

Was she really ever a "rocker chick"? Certainly she had a lot of energy and passion on stage, but the majority of the songs were still basically midtempo pop.
If you compare her music to others during the time period, Stevie has been "rock" up until The Other Side of the Mirror. Midtempo pop in the Bella Donna era was Air Supply and Quarterflash :eek: . Whereas TISL would be considered AAA format versus someone like Creed being considered "rock" for that time period.

[ELIUD]

Was she really ever a "rocker chick"? Certainly she had a lot of energy and passion on stage, but the majority of the songs were still basically midtempo pop.
You're right. On the surface she looks more like a pop/ballad singer with her hits but her fans can surely label her a rock star from her live performances throughout her career - even today. Her association with Fleetwood Mac alone gives her rock star status. I mean you can't put her in the same group as Celine Dion, Mariah Carey or Diana Ross...those ladies are pop stars and are definitely not rockers.

[strandinthewind]

If you compare her music to others during the time period, Stevie has been "rock" up until The Other Side of the Mirror. Midtempo pop in the Bella Donna era was Air Supply and Quarterflash :eek: . Whereas TISL would be considered AAA format versus someone like Creed being considered "rock" for that time period.


don't you diss on QuaterFlash

Ooooooohhhh I'm a gonna harden my heart - I'm a gonna swallow my teaaarreerrressss - I'm a gonna turn and leeeeaaavveee you heeerreeeehheerrrr

:cool:

[The Tower]

Really, Stevie might as well just keep on doing things exactly the way she's doing them, because there's truly no way to please all of us.
I think if she mixed up her setlists more, that would be one way to please everybody. I think all the facets of Steviefandom can agree that that one little thing would satisfy a part of all of us.

I yield to you as I don't know notes very well. Seems like she could lower everything instead of having that intro be so high.
She lowers keys when she's painted into a corner (like "Stop Draggin'....") with disasterous results (although Saturday night's version was surprisingly rocking, despite the key change).

But it's really not worth discussing because there's no way this one would even be considered by Stevie.
:nod: :nod: :nod: I don't even think that selection has crossed her mind.

[chiliD]

don't you diss on QuaterFlash

Ooooooohhhh I'm a gonna harden my heart - I'm a gonna swallow my teaaarreerrressss - I'm a gonna turn and leeeeaaavveee you heeerreeeehheerrrr

:cool:


{ahem..."QUARTERFlash", you mean?}

They were great for two albums. That middle ground between Fleetwood Mac & Heart.

[strandinthewind]

{ahem..."QUARTERFlash", you mean?}

They were great for two albums. That middle ground between Fleetwood Mac & Heart.


me and my typos :laugh:

But, yes, I loved them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LiquidBlue5000]

:lol:

Aw. I'm actually cute and nice. :halo:

i know.. i heard things ;)

[ontheEdgeof17]

i know.. i heard things ;)


Interesting......

;) ;) ;)

[LiquidBlue5000]

Interesting......

;) ;) ;)

i may be taking a trip to West Virginia soon.. maybe i'll stop by and hi while i'm there.. :nod:

[ontheEdgeof17]

i may be taking a trip to West Virginia soon.. maybe i'll stop by and hi while i'm there.. :nod:


Aw. Don't tease.

[strandinthewind]

Aw. Don't tease.

POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK :nod:

[The Tower]

don't you diss on QuaterFlash

Ooooooohhhh I'm a gonna harden my heart - I'm a gonna swallow my teaaarreerrressss - I'm a gonna turn and leeeeaaavveee you heeerreeeehheerrrr

:cool:

That song sucks and blows at the same time.

[ontheEdgeof17]

POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK :nod:


Please. :rolls eyes real hard:

I follow through.

[chiliD]

That song sucks and blows at the same time.

Same can be said for most of Stevie's output from 1984-1989.

{ahhhh...the REAL chiliD is alive & well} :laugh:


Live, "Harden My Heart" was about as different from the studio version as "Rhiannon" used to be in 1975-79.

[dissention]

Same can be said for most of Stevie's output from 1984-1989.

{ahhhh...the REAL chiliD is alive & well} :laugh:

I've already said it. ;)

[strandinthewind]

That song sucks and blows at the same time.

INFIDEL :mad:

[amber]

That song sucks and blows at the same time.
I love that song, so you're probably right.... :lol:

[SapphireSister]

Same can be said for most of Stevie's output from 1984-1989.


Not a big RAL fan I gather? That's my favorite after TISL. What can I say I love 80's synth, big hair, and excess ;)

[strandinthewind]

Not a big RAL fan I gather? That's my favorite after TISL. What can I say I love 80's synth, big hair, and excess ;)

I Like RAL and TOSOTM - but recognize the shift in voice and quality from BD and, less so, WH. But, one could not have expected her to stay stagnant forever. I think RAL was a big step for her and I think she took a chance there. I like almost all of it, save The Nightmare, and LOVE most of it. But, to each their own :cool:

[SapphireSister]

I Like RAL and TOSOTM - but recognize the shift in voice and quality from BD and, less so, WH. But, one could not have expected her to stay stagnant forever. I think RAL was a big step for her and I think she took a chance there. I like almost all of it, save The Nightmare, and LOVE most of it. But, to each their own :cool:

Oh no The Nightmare is one of my favorite 3 tracks on there LOL!! Why don't you like it? It's such a rockin track come on. It's one of those ones you listen to in the car and totally rock out to...

[amber]

Oh no The Nightmare is one of my favorite 3 tracks on there LOL!! Why don't you like it? It's such a rockin track come on. It's one of those ones you listen to in the car and totally rock out to...
I love, love RAL, too, but don't like the Nightmare much either. :shrug: It's okay, though. It's no Imperial Hotel, that's for sure!! :laugh:

[SapphireSister]

I love, love RAL, too, but don't like the Nightmare much either. :shrug: It's okay, though. It's no Imperial Hotel, that's for sure!! :laugh:

OMG Imperial Hotel is my LEAST favorite song on the album. One of the few Stevie songs I don't like too much! I can't believe people don't like The Nightmare. Guess we've all got ones we like more than others :)

[ontheEdgeof17]

I can't believe people don't like The Nightmare. Guess we've all got ones we like more than others :)

The Nightmare is one of the few songs that I shelve for good. Two thumbs wayyyyyyyy down.

[SapphireSister]

The Nightmare is one of the few songs that I shelve for good. Two thumbs wayyyyyyyy down.

I suppose this means we have no future together :( and that goes for anyone who gives thumbs down to The Nightmare (just kidding!)

[The Tower]

Same can be said for most of Stevie's output from 1984-1989.
For the most part, agreed. :nod:

INFIDEL :mad:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Awesome... :thumbsup:

I suppose this means we have no future together :( and that goes for anyone who gives thumbs down to The Nightmare (just kidding!)
:wavey: Stevie's worst song EVER!! Worse than "Night Gallery"- worse than "Ooh Ooh Baby"- worse than "Goldfish and the Ladybug"- even worse than "Greta" :eek:

[amber]

OMG Imperial Hotel is my LEAST favorite song on the album. One of the few Stevie songs I don't like too much! I can't believe people don't like The Nightmare. Guess we've all got ones we like more than others :)
OOOHOOHBAYBEH, OHMYBAYBEH, you've got no taste...you've got no taste... :lol: :lol:

Just teasing, of course. :wavey:

[SapphireSister]

:wavey: Stevie's worst song EVER!! Worse than "Night Gallery"- worse than "Ooh Ooh Baby"- worse than "Goldfish and the Ladybug"- even worse than "Greta" :eek:

OMG guys I'm dying over here! I've just discovered one of my favorite and most beloved Stevie songs is hated by lots of her die hards. I'm not sure what to make of this...oh well. It's quite amusing to me actually. Aaah I still love the heck out of it :p
*sings The Nightmaaaaaaaaare, this is not the world this is not the world*

[chiliD]

Not a big RAL fan I gather? That's my favorite after TISL. What can I say I love 80's synth, big hair, and excess ;)

I LOVE what was Side Two of RAL: Talk To Me, The Nightmare, No Spoken Word (my fave of the album), If I Were You, HAEWAFY, and from side one: "I Can't Wait")...the rest of the album?? Pffft! Pt-oooey! Well, a half-hearted "okie dokey" for "Some Become Strangers".

TOSOTM?? "Rooms On Fire" is marginally ok, the rest of the album? Crap.

[ontheEdgeof17]

I suppose this means we have no future together :(


Sounds about right.






:p

[LiquidBlue5000]

For the most part, agreed. :nod:


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Awesome... :thumbsup:


:wavey: Stevie's worst song EVER!! Worse than "Night Gallery"- worse than "Ooh Ooh Baby"- worse than "Goldfish and the Ladybug"- even worse than "Greta" :eek:

Nothing, i repeat, nothing could ever be as bad as "Docklands".... I don't know what's worse.. having the word "chimpanzee" in a song or the word "laundromat"...hmmm

[SapphireSister]

I LOVE what was Side Two of RAL: Talk To Me, The Nightmare, No Spoken Word (my fave of the album), If I Were You, HAEWAFY, and from side one: "I Can't Wait")...the rest of the album?? Pffft! Pt-oooey! Well, a half-hearted "okie dokey" for "Some Become Strangers".

TOSOTM?? "Rooms On Fire" is marginally ok, the rest of the album? Crap.

Yay we have a winner! You get the prize for loving The Nightmare LOL!! Oh and I happen to love Some Become Strangers even thought she didn't write it. OSM not her best album but there are a few other great tracks on there besides Rooms like Whole Lotta Trouble...

[Rickypt]

I LOVE what was Side Two of RAL: Talk To Me, The Nightmare, No Spoken Word (my fave of the album), If I Were You, HAEWAFY, and from side one: "I Can't Wait")...the rest of the album?? Pffft! Pt-oooey! Well, a half-hearted "okie dokey" for "Some Become Strangers".

TOSOTM?? "Rooms On Fire" is marginally ok, the rest of the album? Crap.

Wow, I think a have a soulmate here. I haven't listened to TOSOTM in about 12 years. And I adore No Spoken Word, why doesn't she make that her encore instead of that dumb Petty song?

[amber]

Wow, I think a have a soulmate here. I haven't listened to TOSOTM in about 12 years. And I adore No Spoken Word, why doesn't she make that her encore instead of that dumb Petty song?
um, because the petty song rocks, and no spoken word lags? Actually, though, I'm ready for something to replace the petty song, but NOT no spoken word. I like the first 4 songs of RAL much better than the last.

[SapphireSister]

Nothing, i repeat, nothing could ever be as bad as "Docklands".... I don't know what's worse.. having the word "chimpanzee" in a song or the word "laundromat"...hmmm

Don't hate me but I like Docklands, the music that is. The lyrics are crap but it's very catchy. "Papa says there are clothes to wash" LOL.

[Rickypt]

She could tighten up No Spoken Word. I liked the Petty song the first 4 tours or so, but it doesn't rock *that* much.

[The Tower]

Nothing, i repeat, nothing could ever be as bad as "Docklands".... I don't know what's worse.. having the word "chimpanzee" in a song or the word "laundromat"...hmmm
I don't include "Docklands" because she didn't write it. To quote Dissention/Perez Hilton, "Docklands" is whoreanus. However, her decision to record that piece of **** speaks for itself.

[The Tower]

OOOHOOHBAYBEH, OHMYBAYBEH, you've got no taste...you've got no taste...

:lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol:

[ontheEdgeof17]

I don't include "Docklands" because she didn't write it. To quote Dissention/Perez Hilton, "Docklands" is whoreanus. However, her decision to record that piece of **** speaks for itself.


I *like* Docklands.


..but it wasn't good enough to have it in a tour set. We get Docklands, but we can't get Sable, Nothing Ever Changes, Storms live...... :distress:

[SapphireSister]

I don't include "Docklands" because she didn't write it. To quote Dissention/Perez Hilton, "Docklands" is whoreanus. However, her decision to record that piece of **** speaks for itself.

Blame it on the Klonopin like she does ;)

[strandinthewind]

Oh no The Nightmare is one of my favorite 3 tracks on there LOL!! Why don't you like it? It's such a rockin track come on. It's one of those ones you listen to in the car and totally rock out to...

I think the vocal is insanely bad - I do, however, LOVE Imperial Hotel as she just lets loose on it :cool:

But - to each their own.

[strandinthewind]

. . . worse than "Goldfish and the Ladybug" . . . :eek:

I like it and LOVE her harmony on it - some of coolest she ever did IMO :cool:

Also, I LOVE when she goes really deep and you can sort of see her making that "deep" face with the chin to the chest :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Don't hate me but I like Docklands, the music that is. The lyrics are crap but it's very catchy. "Papa says there are clothes to wash" LOL.

It was better live - AND - I know I'm gonna take flap for this - I think with smoother production it would have least been listenable.

[chiliD]

OSM not her best album but there are a few other great tracks on there besides Rooms like Whole Lotta Trouble...

No, no, no, no, no, no..."Whole Lotta Trouble" is the worst offender. Basically, it HAS potential...such as, if it were stripped down and played by the BTM-era Fleetwood Mac...oh, what the Mick/John rhythm section with Rick Vito & Christine McVie could've done with that song...instead, as is...it is a travesty.

[Serrart]

I just can't compare that section to the last half of Bella Donna or Wild Heart and I love Stevie. I think she is one of greatest lyricist our time. I just felt dissappointed in her comeback. With the exception of FFG and POTU. I don't think her voice sounded any better that it was on street angel. It was not the same voice we hear on the dance or BATB in vegas. I miss that about her.

I love TISL (it's my favourite Stevie solo) and I really like her voice on it, especially because like the mood of the songs, reflects different souls. It's a work of art with some incredible examples of songwriting. It talks of her so sincerely and it's so intimate that becomes a mirror for many. JMO. :)

Romy

[chiliD]

I *like* Docklands.


..but it wasn't good enough to have it in a tour set.


Whew!! I'm glad she dropped it by the time she got to LA...she'd replaced it with "Rooms On Fire". But, I, also, don't think the Street Angel version (or the SA album in its entirety) is all that bad...a couple of "skip over" tunes, but for the most part, I listen to SA more than WH or BD...but TISL gets 99% of my "Stevie Nicks solo album" play time.

[The Tower]

- AND - I know I'm gonna take flap for this - I think with smoother production it would have least been listenable.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I don't think anything can save "Docklands". Like I always say, you can't polish a turd.

[Serrart]

:shrug:

I know but she did so well on the dance and BATB in vegas. Why doesn't she put that energy and intensity into her recent albums. :shrug:

I think that TISL is almost too full of energy, a new one. She could have gone a lot safer and many more baby boomers would have identified with the album saying: "That's our Stevie". She risked a lot instead, and has all my respect for it. About her voice, what can I say, Celine Dion hits all the high notes and it seems an alarm to me , while Steve never ceases to move me with the intensity of her performances. In 30 years she lived many different lives and her voice reflects it so powerfully, I find it amazing. :nod:

Romy

[LiquidBlue5000]

I don't include "Docklands" because she didn't write it. To quote Dissention/Perez Hilton, "Docklands" is whoreanus. However, her decision to record that piece of **** speaks for itself.

What i don't get is how "Docklands" made the cut on the official version of Street Angel, yet "God's Garden", "Inspiration", "Thousand Days", and "Mirror Mirror" did not... all 4 are soooo much better than Docklands.. worse yet, she took that godforsaken song on the road with her... i guess she must have really loved it at the time.. :rolleyes:

[amber]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I don't think anything can save "Docklands". Like I always say, you can't polish a turd.
Hmm, yeah, I kind of like Docklands. Especially compared to some other monstrosities on the album. So call me a turd polisher....

[chiliD]

Hmm, yeah, I kind of like Docklands. Especially compared to some other monstrosities on the album. So call me a turd polisher....

I really don't mind the album all the way up until her horrendous Dylan cover. "Maybe Love Will Change Your Mind", to me, is one of Stevie's best song of all-time outside of Fleetwood Mac, regardless of who wrote it.

[amber]

I really don't mind the album all the way up until her horrendous Dylan cover. "Maybe Love Will Change Your Mind", to me, is one of Stevie's best song of all-time outside of Fleetwood Mac, regardless of who wrote it.
Oh, that's good you don't mind it, but I hate that song, and I love the Dylan cover. :laugh: I like Kick It, Greta, Blue Denim, and Love is Like a Rivah, oh, and JLAW best. But I'm glad some people like it, for whatever reason.

[GODDESS6]

I love the songs....just not together.


Slow song
Slow/Medium tempo song
Slow song
Slow song
Rock Out
Slow Song


It just doesn't work. It drags more than RuPaul.
there u go again curtis, cracking me up beyond belief!!! :lol: :laugh: ~

[SapphireSister]

While SA is my least favorite solo album there are still some notable songs on there. Listen the the Rain, Docklands (so kill me), and Kick it are all really good songs and I ADORE the title track, Street Angel. Does anyone else love this song? I love the story in the song and the harmony with David Crosby is simply beautiful. It has such an interesting beat to it, espcially the drums in the beginning. I love the guitar at the end too.

[The Tower]

While SA is my least favorite solo album there are still some notable songs on there. Listen the the Rain ....
:lol: :lol: :lol:

... Docklands (so kill me), and Kick it are all really good songs
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Oy... my stomach hurts!!

[SapphireSister]

Oy... my stomach hurts!!

Take a tums ;)

[GateandGarden]

What i don't get is how "Docklands" made the cut on the official version of Street Angel, yet "God's Garden", "Inspiration", "Thousand Days", and "Mirror Mirror" did not... all 4 are soooo much better than Docklands.. worse yet, she took that godforsaken song on the road with her... i guess she must have really loved it at the time.. :rolleyes:OMG no--"Docklands" is at least better than "God's Garden." Yuck. :eek:

[rianbay1]

Stevie tends to be lazy...she gets insecure about her vocal range I'm sure!
So she sings lower not to disapoint her inconsistencies of being able to count
on her voice being there on the road!She has never ONCE sang Sorcerer HIGH NOTES LIVE!!!! Beauty & The Beast was great in Vegas..I was there..but all in all the show was not that great!!! Total Rehash!!!

I honestly don't know how ANYONE who was at those Vegas shows could say that they weren't that great. Friday and Saturday were 2 of the best, if not THE best shows I have ever seen her do. Sometimes, I think, she could come out and say "I'm gonna do EVERY song form Buckingham/Nicks and for good measure every B-side that's ever been realeased" and people still wouldn't be happy. Maybe she chose the setlist she did because she knows that the world is going to end if there isn't something to incesently bitch about...maybe she has some insight on that. Maybe by doing the songs that she did do she, in turn, has saved the world. (sarcasm here) :thumbsup:

[rianbay1]

Musically, I think TISL was a fine album. Vocally, I think it was fine. Lyrically, I think it was weak. The words put together in the songs don't seem to make sense to me. I don't get the lyrics to TISL (the song), but it is my favorite. I don't get the beginning of POTU. TMMS and IMU, I can't relate to fame, Paris to Rome, and songwriting. She could have used better metaphors to bring the meaning "down" to my level. TFFT should have been done more country. I guess this album is almost "too Nicksian" in some ways to capture a main stream audience.


Not understanding exactly what some of the lyrics on an album mean, doesn't make it weak lyrically. Isn't there something on EVERY Stevie album that falls into this category? We can speculate but never know for sure.

[GateandGarden]

Not understanding exactly what some of the lyrics on an album mean, doesn't make it weak lyrically. Isn't there something on EVERY Stevie album that falls into this category? We can speculate but never know for sure.I agree. And for me, it makes it all the more interesting if I don't know exactly what the lyrics are about. And that also means they can be very meaningful to both me and Stevie but still mean entirely different things to us.

[Dark Angel]

TISL is one of my least favorite Stevie albums. I can think of about 4-5 songs I like on it, and the rest I can do without. As for her voice, I think it went downhill around the time of the recording of the album. IMO, she sounds even worse on SYW. :sorry:
All in all, if she would have replaced some of the songs, tried to do *something* with her voice...(she sounds great on BATB), and used different singles (FFG & POTU dance mix), it might have been better.

[dissention]

OMG no--"Docklands" is at least better than "God's Garden." Yuck. :eek:


She sounds like a man on God's Garden. Not to mention that it's a horrific song.

[diamondsnake]

She sounds like a man on God's Garden. Not to mention that it's a horrific song.
I loved that song. I got misty eyed the first time I heard it.

If I could change anything about TISL it would be to have gotten rid of It's Only Love and put Touched By An Angel or something in its place. I really don't like It's Only Love whatsoever.

I love her TISL voice. It is sexy and deep and full of passion. I guess I am just really turned on by whisky, raspy vocals. Stevie's voice is insane and some might say an aquired taste on TISL but I love it! This is maybe my favorite era of Stevie's voice. I can't wait to hear how she sounds on her next record.

[GateandGarden]

I love her TISL voice. It is sexy and deep and full of passion. I guess I am just really turned on by whisky, raspy vocals. Stevie's voice is insane and some might say an aquired taste on TISL but I love it! This is maybe my favorite era of Stevie's voice. I can't wait to hear how she sounds on her next record.Ditto x20!!! :)

[strandinthewind]

She sounds like a man on God's Garden. Not to mention that it's a horrific song.

I totally dig this song - I think it presents vibrant images and I think the lyrics are heartbreaking. But, to each their own :cool:

[dissention]

I totally dig this song - I think it presents vibrant images and I think the lyrics are heartbreaking. But, to each their own :cool:

I just don't find it pleasant to listen to. It goes nowhere fast and then just seems to drone on and on for no real reason. The pace is deathly dull and it's sung in such a detached, uninterested voice. I prefer Inspiration and have no idea why that song didn't make the album.

[strandinthewind]

I just don't find it pleasant to listen to. It goes nowhere fast and then just seems to drone on and on for no real reason. The pace is deathly dull and it's sung in such a detached, uninterested voice. I prefer Inspiration and have no idea why that song didn't make the album.

I agree about Inspiration. I also agree GG had have and should have been faster. I just think the lyrics and her delivery of them are cool and stirring to me:

God's Garden

Written by E. Johns

Through the mist I see her face
Looking down on me
Don't know the time, don't know the place
Let her eyes watch over me
She comes in deepest sleep
Can't help but fall at her feet
Won't let her in for all I've seen
This I will take to my grave

I see her walk on water
Head held up high
Playing in God's garden
I'll be there to hold you when you cry

The path grown over through the years
Walking on the pain towards my fears
Talking to myself for comfort's sake
Holding on so I won't break

I see her walk on water
Head held up high
Playing in God's garden
I'll be there to hold you when you cry

Sometimes I hear angels sing
Their tears wash away my sins
Don't know what my destiny will bring
Could you spend eternity with me?

I see her walk on water
Head held up high
Playing in God's garden
I'll be there to hold you when you cry

[SteveMacD]

Back to the original question. TISL wasn't a hit because...well, those days are behind these people. Sad to say, but the hit machine ended for Fleetwood Mac and all of its members in 1987. They've had a few minor singles since, but nothing compared to everything they did between 1975-1987. Sure, there was "The Dance," but that was mostly a rehashing of the earlier material. None of the new songs were hits. So, instead of examining why there hasn't been a lot of success, just face the facts that those days are gone and just enjoy what they're giving us!

[catinthedark]

Space Needle & Touched By An Angel made the cut over TMMS and TFFT.

YES! And if Chanel Chanel was around at the time (not sure of this) - that should have made it, too....