Matthew Anderson on BN.net board

[StevieNicksEO17]

Do any of you go to the buckinghamnicks.net board? Matthew Anderson (Kim and Robin's son) posted! His user name is curtaincallpromo. Who knows if it is really him, but people would have to be really low to lie. It is exciting though! :)

[amber]

Do any of you go to the buckinghamnicks.net board? Matthew Anderson (Kim and Robin's son) posted! His user name is curtaincallpromo. Who knows if it is really him, but people would have to be really low to lie. It is exciting though! :)
That's weird. How funny. i went to the BN boredtwice. had to leave forever when everyone started quoting lyrics. :rolleyes:

[StevieNicksEO17]

That's weird. How funny. i went to the BN boredtwice. had to leave forever when everyone started quoting lyrics. :rolleyes:

:lol: I don't go there either. My friend Danielle IMed me and started spazzing saying that he posted, and at first I didn't even know who Matthew Anderson was...

[dissention]

:lol: I don't go there either. My friend Danielle IMed me and started spazzing saying that he posted, and at first I didn't even know who Matthew Anderson was...

Who is he? :confused:

[StevieNicksEO17]

Who is he? :confused:

EXACTLY!

He's Kim and Robin's son

[Serrart]

That's weird. How funny. i went to the BN boredtwice. had to leave forever when everyone started quoting lyrics. :rolleyes:

I think it's a very nice board with a lot of witty and informed posters. :nod: Where have you seen all these people quoting lyrics exactly?

Romy

[amber]

I think it's a very nice board with a lot of witty and informed posters. :nod: Where have you seen all these people quoting lyrics exactly?

Romy
When I went there twice - it happened both times. People did seem pretty well informed, but they all were, I think, 12 or something? And when one of their freinds came in, and a bunch of other times, they would start squealing at each other and quoting lyrics. And I know I'm not the only one that happened to! :laugh: I'm glad you had a different experience, Romy :thumbsup:
Oh, wait, duh - I'm sorry, I thought she was talking about the Nixfix board. Yeah, BN is rad - nice people, etc. :sorry:

[dissention]

EXACTLY!

He's Kim and Robin's son

Oh. :o

Who cares? :laugh:

[The Tower]

Why on earth would he be offering/posting his IM address to all the shippers over on the BN board???

Sounds fishy to me....

[dissention]

Why on earth would he be offering/posting his IM address to all the shippers over on the BN board???

Sounds fishy to me....

Give the man a cookie. :woohoo:

Sounds like hogwash and if it really was him, who really cares?

[StevieNicksEO17]

Oh. :o

Who cares? :laugh:

ROTFL :laugh:

I put him on my buddy list. My friend wants me to IM him, but I have nothing to say. :shrug:

[Serrart]

When I went there twice - it happened both times. People did seem pretty well informed, but they all were, I think, 12 or something? And when one of their freinds came in, and a bunch of other times, they would start squealing at each other and quoting lyrics. And I know I'm not the only one that happened to! :laugh: I'm glad you had a different experience, Romy :thumbsup:
Oh, wait, duh - I'm sorry, I thought she was talking about the Nixfix board. Yeah, BN is rad - nice people, etc. :sorry:

Whew... It was like to be in the Twilight zone for a moment. :D

Romy

[amber]

Whew... It was like to be in the Twilight zone for a moment. :D

Romy
And actually, the twilight zone is much more enjoyable than the nixfix board. Even if it's the one where you have that pocketwatch that can stop time, and there's a nuclear bomb coming! :laugh:

[Serrart]

And actually, the twilight zone is much more enjoyable than the nixfix board. Even if it's the one where you have that pocketwatch that can stop time, and there's a nuclear bomb coming! :laugh:

Never been there, but it sounds exciting! :laugh:

Romy

[WildInTheWind]

Yea I thought this was strange too. I doubt it's really him. I love the BN board though!!! When I first started reading this thread I was like whaaaa..? Then it was all cleared up. Yes the nicksfix chat SUCKS!!!!!!!

[GretaRhiannon]

:lol: I doubt it's him lol, it's probably the same guy that decided to post at a Shania board claiming to be Shania's brother...lol

[WildInTheWind]

I talked to him for a bit. I could be wrong. I don't see what he has to gain by acting like Mathew, so you never know! Seems like a nice guy non the less..

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Who knows if it is really him, but people would have to be really low to lie. :)
People lie on the internet? Surely you jest! ;) Who knows if it's him or not... but there are always people willing to lie and string fans along. I remember when I was new to the internet some guy IM'd me and claimed he was Stevie's toyboy. Oh and that he was also shagging Meg Ryan, Nicole Kidman and the Dixie Chicks! heh

Pip

[strandinthewind]

People lie on the internet? Surely you jest! ;) Who knows if it's him or not... but there are always people willing to lie and string fans along. I remember when I was new to the internet some guy IM'd me and claimed he was Stevie's toyboy. Oh and that he was also shagging Meg Ryan, Nicole Kidman and the Dixie Chicks! heh

Pip

I know - and I feel bad if this guy is who he says he is - though he has another member of that board vouching for him :shrug: I just hate that people that pose as others (not that this guy is doing that) are so bored with their own lives that they have to make light of other peoples' interestes. AND - that sadly makes people suspicious.

[mandersv]

hi all,
I can tell you that is indeed matthew anderson the REAL deal. I talk to him on a regular basis. but I totally understand why people would be skeptical... i know I would be...I have nothing to gain or lose in this, but I just want ya'll to know that it is him. Some may see it as a big deal, others not.. but all i know is hes a wonderful person and no matter what his connections are to stevie, i'm glad he became my friend.
mandersv

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

hi all,
I can tell you that is indeed matthew anderson the REAL deal. I talk to him on a regular basis. but I totally understand why people would be skeptical... i know I would be...I have nothing to gain or lose in this, but I just want ya'll to know that it is him. Some may see it as a big deal, others not.. but all i know is hes a wonderful person and no matter what his connections are to stevie, i'm glad he became my friend.
mandersv
Where did you meet Matthew? Nice to hear he is a cool guy

Pip

[WednesdaysChild]

Manders, yeah, how'd you meet him/become his friend??

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Manders did you create that username just to come here and vouch for him? Since this is your first post..something makes me think manders is the same one posing as Matthew on BN board

Chris

[catinthedark]

Manders did you create that username just to come here and vouch for him? Since this is your first post..something makes me think manders is the same one posing as Matthew on BN board

Chris

Yikes. Retract the claws for a sec.

Manders is a real person; I met her last year at one of the shows. She posts on another board under the same username. She's just a normal fan like the rest of us. Except that she is also clearly a good friend - as she actually went to the effort of joining this board just to stand up for her friend, Matthew. What would she gain by posting to a bunch of strangers that she knows him?

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Well the point is what makes this person (whom I have never met, I'm glad you have--good for you!) make it any more believable? Just because someone creates a username and says "Hey I know Matthew it's really him," we are all supposed to go OOH OK , NEVERMIND THEN.. lol seriously

It very well could be him now, I'm not saying that...He should've went through Marty or something though, to actually be believed..

Chris

[catinthedark]

Well, he actually didn't join The Ledge; he joined another board. So I fail to see why he should go through Marty. :shrug: This thread is about him being on another board.

And I'm not sure why the sarcasm about me knowing Manders. I was just saying that she didn't just create that user name over here to vouch for him. She's had that user name for quite some time on another board.

Anyway, believe him or don't believe him. He's not posting here anyway, so what's the problem?

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I wasn't being sarcastic actually...And what I was saying is she CREATED that screen name on THIS board just to vouch for him...which is ok...just a little fishy, when trying to vouch for someone...


I'm aware that this thread is about him posting on another board, whoever this HE really is...but I was just saying that since real and credible people who actually have connections to the band have posted here, and done various things with this site--it would just be more believable.


Chris

[ShangriLaTroubl]

It could possibly be him, he sounds believable in his posts...but it sucks to not know

Chris

[strandinthewind]

It could possibly be him, he sounds believable in his posts...but it sucks to not know

Chris

and, again, we have been burned here and elsewhere before. So, the skeptcism is not really a personal thing against him - it is just being gun shy. He seems like a real nice guy and sincere and Mands has been on BN for awhile and people jnow her. So, I believe him - as they say "faith is a hard thing to hold onto" :cool:

[hs421139]

just wanted to say that i know mandersv, and know that mandersv is honest when posted that it mandersv knows it is matthew, peace

[mandersv]

ok, heres the answer to some questions.. 1st off i didnt JUST create my nickname here, i've had it for a long time, just always been a lurker because i post on the BN.net board and on micks board...
2nd im sorry if my vouching for someones identity is a problem... its honestly your choice to believe it or not...i was just tryin to be nice and say hey i know its the real deal for anyone whom didnt believe...
sorry for the problems... i wasnt tryin to cause any.
mandy

[strandinthewind]

ok, heres the answer to some questions.. 1st off i didnt JUST create my nickname here, i've had it for a long time, just always been a lurker because i post on the BN.net board and on micks board...
2nd im sorry if my vouching for someones identity is a problem... its honestly your choice to believe it or not...i was just tryin to be nice and say hey i know its the real deal for anyone whom didnt believe...
sorry for the problems... i wasnt tryin to cause any.
mandy


I, for one, thank you for taking to time to come here and do so!!! :xoxo:

[WednesdaysChild]

ok, heres the answer to some questions.. 1st off i didnt JUST create my nickname here, i've had it for a long time, just always been a lurker because i post on the BN.net board and on micks board...
2nd im sorry if my vouching for someones identity is a problem... its honestly your choice to believe it or not...i was just tryin to be nice and say hey i know its the real deal for anyone whom didnt believe...
sorry for the problems... i wasnt tryin to cause any.
mandy
Hey, all I wanted to know is how you met him! :)

[mandersv]

Hey, all I wanted to know is how you met him! :)
due to respect for matthew, i promised not to go into all of that... im greatful for his friendship, and dont want to chance losing it. so please understand that some things i just cant openly answer. and try to respect that too..
mandersv

[WildInTheWind]

Thanks Mandy!! I was pretty sure it was him, but having a fellow fan vouch for him seals the deal. :xoxo:

[StevieNicksEO17]

due to respect for matthew, i promised not to go into all of that... im greatful for his friendship, and dont want to chance losing it. so please understand that some things i just cant openly answer. and try to respect that too..
mandersv

When we asked you how you knew someone that knew Stevie, you wouldn't tell us either. You might not remember that whole can of worms on the the Mick board, though. It just seems like everytime someone asks you a question about how you know someone, you never have an answer. :shrug: Just seems weird.

[GardenStateGirlie]

When we asked you how you knew someone that knew Stevie, you wouldn't tell us either. You might not remember that whole can of worms on the the Mick board, though. It just seems like everytime someone asks you a question about how you know someone, you never have an answer. :shrug: Just seems weird.

Perhaps she didn't want to reveal who it was because she wanted to make certain that it was OK first. Now that Matthew feels comfortable speaking (and it is him), she can talk freely and Matthew can do as he likes and has chosen to talk to everyone. I can't blame her for not revealing who it was. Some people on the internet and this fandom are strange. Had she said she had a degree of separation from Stevie, people would have been all over her like white on rice; inundating her with a ton of questions.

Welcome to The Ledge, Mandy :wavey:

[StevieNicksEO17]

Had she said she had a degree of separation from Stevie, people would have been all over her like white on rice; inundating her with a ton of questions.

I guess you would have to go back to the Mick board and read it to believe it :)

[GardenStateGirlie]

I guess you would have to go back to the Mick board and read it to believe it :)

I guess I posted there a few times as AbsolutChanteuse :wavey:

[StevieNicksEO17]

I guess I posted there a few times as AbsolutChanteuse :wavey:

Ohhhh. I don't go there very often. Everything that happens there, happens here. So there's really no point! :nod:

[DrummerDeanna]

due to respect for matthew, i promised not to go into all of that... im greatful for his friendship, and dont want to chance losing it. so please understand that some things i just cant openly answer. and try to respect that too..
mandersv

That's cool - and totally respectable. Some people on the board choose to be more private about certain things because - hey this is the internet afterall - and as Marissa said - there are some strange and very zealous people out there.

That said - I once met a girl who was a friend of a friend of Matthews - that girl was the cousin of a friend of mine lol...we talked about it the night I met her then out of respect for all involved parties I never contacted her again - and now I can't think of her name to save my life...but since she's the cousin for a friend I shall e-mail and ask :p

[Merf]

When we asked you how you knew someone that knew Stevie, you wouldn't tell us either. You might not remember that whole can of worms on the the Mick board, though. It just seems like everytime someone asks you a question about how you know someone, you never have an answer. :shrug: Just seems weird.

For what it's worth, I also remember Mandy posting on Mick's board a lot, although I haven't been there in months. And on mandersv user info you can see that she registered like 6 months ago, not just to "vouch" that Matt is who he says he is. :shrug:

[David]

Does this young guy Matt know that by introducing his true identity into the online fan world, he is leaving himself wide open to all the pushy, rabid, chiffon-wearing busybodies who populate that world?

If he didn't know that before, he probably knows it now.

(What on earth could he possibly have been thinking?)

[NicksIllume]

Does this young guy Matt know that by introducing his true identity into the online fan world, he is leaving himself wide open to all the pushy, rabid, chiffon-wearing busybodies who populate that world?



I love those choice of words. :thumbsup:

[Highway Woman]

Does this young guy Matt know that by introducing his true identity into the online fan world, he is leaving himself wide open to all the pushy, rabid, chiffon-wearing busybodies who populate that world?

If he didn't know that before, he probably knows it now.

(What on earth could he possibly have been thinking?)

Maybe he likes pushy, chiffon-clad women. I know of a man or two who does.

[DrummerDeanna]

Maybe he likes pushy, chiffon-clad women. I know of a man or two who does.

:laugh: :laugh:

Man - you know if he's on BN.net - then it's quite probale that he's lurked around here eh? Crazy...but yeah - I don't know why he'd subject himself to some of the Stevie crazies out there lol....but I guess only he can answer that one :)

[The Tower]

(What on earth could he possibly have been thinking?)
Exactly. I can already imagine the blizzard of inane and invasive questions that have been foisted on this guy.

"Stevie is sleeping with Lindsey, isn't she!!??? Isn't she!!?!?"

or

"I sent Stevie a five page letter telling her how much she's changed my life and I've just gotta meet her- did she get my letter??!!??"

or

"When was the last time you saw Stevie?? Where is she living now??!??!"

or

"Ohmigaw, a friend of mine, like, talked to one of Stevie's bodyguards and he gave her her phone number, and I, like, called the number and she answered and I swear it was her, but, like, I was too scared to say anything, so I, like, hung up on her- can you tell me if 602-555-1234 is her phone number??"

:rolleyes:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Exactly. I can already imagine the blizzard of inane and invasive questions that have been foisted on this guy.

"Stevie is sleeping with Lindsey, isn't she!!??? Isn't she!!?!?"

or

"I sent Stevie a five page letter telling her how much she's changed my life and I've just gotta meet her- did she get my letter??!!??"

or

"When was the last time you saw Stevie?? Where is she living now??!??!"

or

"Ohmigaw, a friend of mine, like, talked to one of Stevie's bodyguards and he gave her her phone number, and I, like, called the number and she answered and I swear it was her, but, like, I was too scared to say anything, so I, like, hung up on her- can you tell me if 602-555-1234 is her phone number??"

:rolleyes:


Fans have more contact with Stevie than he probably does.

[DrummerDeanna]

Exactly. I can already imagine the blizzard of inane and invasive questions that have been foisted on this guy.

"Stevie is sleeping with Lindsey, isn't she!!??? Isn't she!!?!?"

or

"I sent Stevie a five page letter telling her how much she's changed my life and I've just gotta meet her- did she get my letter??!!??"

or

"When was the last time you saw Stevie?? Where is she living now??!??!"

or

"Ohmigaw, a friend of mine, like, talked to one of Stevie's bodyguards and he gave her her phone number, and I, like, called the number and she answered and I swear it was her, but, like, I was too scared to say anything, so I, like, hung up on her- can you tell me if 602-555-1234 is her phone number??"

:rolleyes:

:eek: :eek: Yikes...those seem about right :nod:

[Serrart]

Exactly. I can already imagine the blizzard of inane and invasive questions that have been foisted on this guy.

"Stevie is sleeping with Lindsey, isn't she!!??? Isn't she!!?!?"

or

"I sent Stevie a five page letter telling her how much she's changed my life and I've just gotta meet her- did she get my letter??!!??"

or

"When was the last time you saw Stevie?? Where is she living now??!??!"

or

"Ohmigaw, a friend of mine, like, talked to one of Stevie's bodyguards and he gave her her phone number, and I, like, called the number and she answered and I swear it was her, but, like, I was too scared to say anything, so I, like, hung up on her- can you tell me if 602-555-1234 is her phone number??"

:rolleyes:

Probably he would receive messages like those, but he would also receive some messages from nice fans. There are some you know. ;) If I were in him I wouldn't have done it, and personally I have nothing to say or ask to him, but if he came on a message board he thinks to be able to handle the experience, who am I to tell he's wrong? :)

Romy

[StevieNicksEO17]

Fans have more contact with Stevie than he probably does.

I thought I read on the BN board that she still takes care of him financially.

[Livia]

Exactly. I can already imagine the blizzard of inane and invasive questions that have been foisted on this guy.

"Stevie is sleeping with Lindsey, isn't she!!??? Isn't she!!?!?"

or

"I sent Stevie a five page letter telling her how much she's changed my life and I've just gotta meet her- did she get my letter??!!??"

or

"When was the last time you saw Stevie?? Where is she living now??!??!"

or

"Ohmigaw, a friend of mine, like, talked to one of Stevie's bodyguards and he gave her her phone number, and I, like, called the number and she answered and I swear it was her, but, like, I was too scared to say anything, so I, like, hung up on her- can you tell me if 602-555-1234 is her phone number??"

:rolleyes:

ROFLMAO!!! :lol:

[DrummerDeanna]

Probably he would receive messages like those, but he would also receive some messages from nice fans. There are some you know. ;) If I were in him I wouldn't have done it, and personally I have nothing to say or ask to him, but if he came on a message board he thinks to be able to handle the experience, who am I to tell he's wrong? :)

Romy


I don't think anyone is saying Matthew is wrong by doing this - but we're just wondering if he realizes the massive number of chiffon-heads who may now contact him with many many questions -some of which just cross lines between normal fandome and unhealthy obsession :shrug:

[StevieNicksEO17]

I don't think anyone is saying Matthew is wrong by doing this - but we're just wondering if he realizes the massive number of chiffon-heads who may now contact him with many many questions -some of which just cross lines between normal fandome and unhealthy obsession :shrug:

CHIFFON-HEADS! :lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol: :laugh:

[Serrart]

I don't think anyone is saying Matthew is wrong by doing this - but we're just wondering if he realizes the massive number of chiffon-heads who may now contact him with many many questions -some of which just cross lines between normal fandome and unhealthy obsession :shrug:

I guess that's when the bin in his email options will become useful ;)

Romy

[GardenStateGirlie]

I don't think anyone is saying Matthew is wrong by doing this - but we're just wondering if he realizes the massive number of chiffon-heads who may now contact him with many many questions -some of which just cross lines between normal fandome and unhealthy obsession :shrug:

He showed up on the board when bits and pieces of your story were mentioned. I PM'd him what you had posted here because he was curious. We PM'd each other a few times talking about USC because I just applied there for Music Industry and Public Relations and ironically, so did he (for Music Industry). This went on for a day and a half and the last thing I said to him was, "you're braver than I am posting your IM name. Watch out for the crazies." He replied back with, "I can always change my screen name." I think he's more than aware :nod:

[amber]

:laugh: :laugh:

Man - you know if he's on BN.net - then it's quite probale that he's lurked around here eh? Crazy...but yeah - I don't know why he'd subject himself to some of the Stevie crazies out there lol....but I guess only he can answer that one :)
I actually saw him lurking on here the other day, if his username is curtaincall like on the other board. :shrug:

[ontheEdgeof17]

I actually saw him lurking on here the other day, if his username is curtaincall like on the other board. :shrug:


U sure? There is no curtaincall in the registry.

[amber]

U sure? There is no curtaincall in the registry.
yes, I'm sure - maybe there was another part to his name, but that was basically it. I'm hardly likely to hallucinate something like that. :laugh:

[DrummerDeanna]

He showed up on the board when bits and pieces of your story were mentioned. I PM'd him what you had posted here because he was curious. We PM'd each other a few times talking about USC because I just applied there for Music Industry and Public Relations and ironically, so did he (for Music Industry). This went on for a day and a half and the last thing I said to him was, "you're braver than I am posting your IM name. Watch out for the crazies." He replied back with, "I can always change my screen name." I think he's more than aware :nod:

ah - lol...I really need to e-mail my friend Amanda and ask her what her cousin's name is...this was like between three and four years ago - and I never talked to the girl after meeting her at that party :p - so I hope my little story didn't come across crazy like...:laugh:

And true enough that he can change his screen name :)

[WildInTheWind]

Probably he would receive messages like those, but he would also receive some messages from nice fans. There are some you know. ;) If I were in him I wouldn't have done it, and personally I have nothing to say or ask to him, but if he came on a message board he thinks to be able to handle the experience, who am I to tell he's wrong? :)

Romy

I talked to him once. I didn't ask him any questions about Stevie...and I would probably be considered a "chiffon head". Someone contacted me about sending him the rumours outtakes so he can see video footage of Robin, so IMEd him, got his address and sent them on there way. So yes, we aren't all out to dig up dirt on Stevie and get her phone number, connections, ect... I was just happy to send him the footage of his mom considering he's never even heard her voice.

[gldstwmn]

Does this young guy Matt know that by introducing his true identity into the online fan world, he is leaving himself wide open to all the pushy, rabid, chiffon-wearing busybodies who populate that world?



Well, he is pretty young. :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

Exactly. I can already imagine the blizzard of inane and invasive questions that have been foisted on this guy.

"Stevie is sleeping with Lindsey, isn't she!!??? Isn't she!!?!?"



There needs to be a special emoticon for that one. :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

yes, I'm sure - maybe there was another part to his name, but that was basically it. I'm hardly likely to hallucinate something like that. :laugh:

I saw a screen name similar to that also. :nod:

[amber]

I saw a screen name similar to that also. :nod:
Sweet. I think I was up late when I saw it. I hope no one bugs him, I for one have no desire to ask him anything at all :confused: Mainly because I don't think he knows much...and if he did, I would feel like a piece of crap if I bugged him :shrug:

[DeeGeMe]

I talked to him once. I didn't ask him any questions about Stevie...and I would probably be considered a "chiffon head". Someone contacted me about sending him the rumours outtakes so he can see video footage of Robin, so IMEd him, got his address and sent them on there way. So yes, we aren't all out to dig up dirt on Stevie and get her phone number, connections, ect... I was just happy to send him the footage of his mom considering he's never even heard her voice.

Wow--that's so sad. I'm glad you were able to pass those outtakes on to him of Robin.

[Johnny Stew]

Stevie has plenty of fans who would treat someone like Matthew with respect and sensitivity.

Unfortunately, as with all groups of people, there is a small faction of folks who exhibit less than admirable behaviour in a very loud and noticeable way, and the rest of Stevie's fans get stereotyped in the process.

Hopefully Matthew will encounter far more of the former than he does the latter. :)

[David]

Well, he is pretty young. :shrug:
Isn't he . . . what? 22?

[David]

Unfortunately, as with all groups of people, there is a small faction of folks who exhibit less than admirable behaviour in a very loud and noticeable way, and the rest of Stevie's fans get stereotyped in the process.How many sucky Stevie fans would you say I've met, heard from or witnessed in my day? One of these days, I'm gonna publish my memoirs! ;)

[Kelly]

Is everyone who posts on the BN board considered "rabid, chiffon heads"? Just curious.

Perhaps he visited the Ledge, scanned the numerous threads regarding Stevie's Mac truck ass, her ugly shoes, bland hair, matronly clothes, pancake makeup, lack of energy, her terrible lyrics on SYW, her miserable attempts at singing Rhiannon this tour and decided he would RATHER post at the BN board?

I agree, he has opened himself up to potential problems by posting and there are some really immature fans around. I think it is ridiculous and embarrassing that so many young fans have PM'd him....I am sure that will drive him away pretty quickly. (not you Riss or Beck)

[Serrart]

How many sucky Stevie fans would you say I've met, heard from or witnessed in my day? One of these days, I'm gonna publish my memoirs! ;)

Maybe you should publish instead a list of all the Stevie fans you've met with small tambourines to rank them instead. :cool:

Romy

[Sorceress]

Stevie has plenty of fans who would treat someone like Matthew with respect and sensitivity.

Unfortunately, as with all groups of people, there is a small faction of folks who exhibit less than admirable behaviour in a very loud and noticeable way, and the rest of Stevie's fans get stereotyped in the process.

Hopefully Matthew will encounter far more of the former than he does the latter. :)

Thank you, Johnny. And I might add that it's not necessary to be disrespectful to all of us by lumping everyone in with those who lack the judgement and maturity to control themselves and behave in a less than obnoxious way. I won't pretend those people don't exist, but it would be nice to hear some qualifiers when they are discussed, such as "some rabid fans" or "those fans who..."

I too think it's odd that Matthew has welcomed IMs from anyone and everyone in Stevieland. I can only imagine that he might be lonely or wanting some positive attention or just having some fun with being a minor celebrity for a while. Whatever his motives, I hope he gets what he wants.

And no, Kelly, not everyone who posts on the bn board is a "rabid chiffon head." But you know, I'm not so sure there's anything wrong with being a chiffon head anyway...it's the "rabid" part I have a quarrel with. :)

[Serrart]

I talked to him once. I didn't ask him any questions about Stevie...and I would probably be considered a "chiffon head". Someone contacted me about sending him the rumours outtakes so he can see video footage of Robin, so IMEd him, got his address and sent them on there way. So yes, we aren't all out to dig up dirt on Stevie and get her phone number, connections, ect... I was just happy to send him the footage of his mom considering he's never even heard her voice.

You've been very kind to do that. :thumbsup:

Romy

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Is everyone who posts on the BN board considered "rabid, chiffon heads"? Just curious.

Perhaps he visited the Ledge, scanned the numerous threads regarding Stevie's Mac truck ass, her ugly shoes, bland hair, matronly clothes, pancake makeup, lack of energy, her terrible lyrics on SYW, her miserable attempts at singing Rhiannon this tour and decided he would RATHER post at the BN board?

I agree, he has opened himself up to potential problems by posting and there are some really immature fans around. I think it is ridiculous and embarrassing that so many young fans have PM'd him....I am sure that will drive him away pretty quickly. (not you Riss or Beck)
You are generoulising just as much as others when they call BN posters chiffon heads. There is much more on the ledge than the type of threads you suggested

Pip

[Cour]

Is everyone who posts on the BN board considered "rabid, chiffon heads"? Just curious.


Did anyone say that the chiffon head description only fit the members of BN...many of whom post here at the Ledge? From what I've seen over the years, that term is used quite freely by many fans and I've never seen it used to only fit the shipper community. Is there sensitivity on the BN board about that term?


Perhaps he visited the Ledge, scanned the numerous threads regarding Stevie's Mac truck ass, her ugly shoes, bland hair, matronly clothes, pancake makeup, lack of energy, her terrible lyrics on SYW, her miserable attempts at singing Rhiannon this tour and decided he would RATHER post at the BN board?


Perhaps Mathew visited the BN message board and loved the way Stevie is portrayed in this deep affair with a married man and how they can't keep their hands off each other or their feelings under control, even in the presence of his wife and children. Maybe he's drawn to the bashing of Mrs.Buckingham's appearance and the threads portraying her as nothing but a baby machine who traps her husband again and again. Of course, I'm leaving out the riveting threads where the paternity of the Buckingham children was discussed and how they might not be Lindsey's. Of course there was also some discussion about Stevie being their biological mother, that was riveting reading and one of the best theories I've ever read about their post Dance relationship. I could go on but you get the idea. :rolleyes:

Perhaps Mathew didn't stick around the Ledge long enough and see all the good conversation in the thousands of threads here that aren't pointing out Stevie's problems Fans seem to find the boards they feel most comfortable reading or posting. If Mathew would RATHER stay over at BN because he feels more comfortable there or likes the shipper aspect and the other great things about the BN board, who cares? The Ledge can be intimidating to many people and some jump right in and others lurk for a long time and never post but read this board. From what I saw a few months ago, Mathew first surfaced on Mick's site wanting to contact him and Mandy pointed him in the right direction. He didn't choose to stay at that site and he found BN more appealing for one reason or another.

I think most people reading this board can see there are far more fans here who adore Stevie then people who truly don't care for her. Since this site is a FM site and not a SN site it's only natural that some fans wouldn't like Stevie the same way some don't care for Lindsey. It's not really that big a deal and for the most part, the Ledge would be pretty boring if there was only mass adulation for the members of FM and no one was ever able to openly criticize what they see as some of their shortcomings. I think that was the feeling over at Mick's site when the heavy handed management wouldn't allow any negative comments or discussions about band members or management and removed the posts. I think the diversity here at the Ledge has something to do with its success. I would think at one time or another most of us have gotten tired of some of the Stevie bashing, I know I have. When any discussion takes a turn that I'm tired of reading for the 1000th time, I just stop reading that thread.

You can paint any board with the same brush you're using. I've seen you post numerous times on the BN board putting down the people on the Ledge and the Ledge board itself. I've seen you post on one board here knocking the people who post on some other boards on this site. I don't see a lot of other people doing that here at the Ledge.

I agree, he has opened himself up to potential problems by posting and there are some really immature fans around. I think it is ridiculous and embarrassing that so many young fans have PM'd him....I am sure that will drive him away pretty quickly. (not you Riss or Beck)


I'm glad you're giving Marissa and Becky a thumbs up and that you don't paint them with the brush you're using to portray other people who might have contacted Mathew. I'm sure their motives are totally pure and its nice for you to stand up for them.......even though you don't know what motives others might have had. I haven't read the threads at BN about this but it seems from the posts in this thread that Mathew went out of his way to give out his contact info and was interested in fans contacting him. It doesn't surprise me that many fans with different motives are contacting him, its a fan community and that's what usually happens. To tell you the truth, I find it even funnier to see a few very special fans who chase anyone they even suspect might have contact with anyone associated with the band, I can't believe they don't realize how obvious their motives seem to people watching it and to use your word...how ridiculous they look. But they keep right on doing it, I hope all their hard works pans out one day, it would be a shame to see all that time and energy they put into their pursuits not get them their dreams. Sometimes I feel sorry for their unsuspecting targets who don't realize they're being used by these people and what their real motives are.

Some of us are glad there's a diverse group of FM related message boards but no one board is ever going to appeal to or not annoy every FM fan. I'm assuming since you post at both the BN board and the Ledge you find interesting things about both boards.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

I love Stevie so I guess that makes me a chiffon head! I've been called much worse! LOL!

Pip

[DrummerDeanna]

I love Stevie so I guess that makes me a chiffon head! I've been called much worse! LOL!

Pip

Oh I'm totally a chiffon head :p But I think I have the restraint and respect not to be a rabid and unhealthily obsessed Chiffon Head ya know?

I would never like knock on the woman's door or anything and wouldn't try to get close to people who are close to her just for the possibility of knowing her...I actually like not knowing or meeting Stevie because then I'm free to envision how she is or would be ya know? I'd hate to have my ideal crushed :p


I also never meant to imply that all Chiffon heads are crazies etc...but come on -we've seen some wacked out stories on here...like that one chick (I can't remember her screen name) who called Kristen or had a friend call Kristen or something and then they like hounded the poor woman or something - that story totally creeped me out...it's folks like that, who don't seem to know boundaries, that freak me out :)

[ontheEdgeof17]

I also never meant to imply that all Chiffon heads are crazies etc...but come on -we've seen some wacked out stories on here...like that one chick (I can't remember her screen name) who called Kristen or had a friend call Kristen or something and then they like hounded the poor woman or something - that story totally creeped me out...it's folks like that, who don't seem to know boundaries, that freak me out :)


I'm also a proud Chiffon Head. :wavey: Those crazy ones give us a bad name.

[WildInTheWind]

I love Stevie so I guess that makes me a chiffon head! I've been called much worse! LOL!

Pip


LOL. Me too Pip. I think it's kind of funny, I don't mind if people call me a chiffon head :D

[WildInTheWind]

I also never meant to imply that all Chiffon heads are crazies etc...but come on -we've seen some wacked out stories on here...like that one chick (I can't remember her screen name) who called Kristen or had a friend call Kristen or something and then they like hounded the poor woman or something - that story totally creeped me out...it's folks like that, who don't seem to know boundaries, that freak me out :)
Yikes!!! This must have happened before my time. Now THAT is scary!!!

[StevieNicksEO17]

Yikes!!! This must have happened before my time. Now THAT is scary!!!

Yeah, when did that happen?

[Cour]

Yikes!!! This must have happened before my time. Now THAT is scary!!!

Oh, it was. This small summary doesn't even do it justice. One of the most bizarre stories I've seen. The thread is somewhere on the Rumours board, I think it was discussed in August or September? Even that thread doesn't do it proper justice, the actual review of their pursuit of Fleetwood Mac at a hotel was equally bizarre and left you scratching your head because you knew the people involved didn't make it up......which made it even scarier that they were sharing it.


I think it's kind of funny, I don't mind if people call me a chiffon head

I always thought it was a term of endearment and kind of a sweet way to poke fun at ourselves and our obsession :nod:

[dissention]

Stevie has far more fans here then people realise. When I did that poll last year about who was everyone's favourite member of the Mac, Stevie received far more votes than any other member. She is clearly the most popular member even here. There are only a few Ledgies who don't like her, although they're often the most vocal. I agree the criticism can get out of hand, but the debate is what keeps things lively and interesting around here. In fact there hasn't been enough of it recently. I have to admit seeing a thread titled "Stevie's best use of the word 'well' in a song" doesn't exactly excite me.

:laugh: :xoxo:

My crush grows deeper. :eek:

[dissention]

Oh, it was. This small summary doesn't even do it justice. One of the most bizarre stories I've seen. The thread is somewhere on the Rumours board, I think it was discussed in August or September? Even that thread doesn't do it proper justice, the actual review of their pursuit of Fleetwood Mac at a hotel was equally bizarre and left you scratching your head because you knew the people involved didn't make it up......which made it even scarier that they were sharing it.

I always thought it was a term of endearment and kind of a sweet way to poke fun at ourselves and our obsession :nod:

Don't forget about darling 4buck and her disturbing, disturbing fascination with Lindsey. That was just as scary as that other chick who called Lindsey's wife.

[StevieNicksEO17]

It didn't happen that long ago, it would have been around the last leg of 2004 tour. That was a scary thread indeed.

I looked back in the Rumours thread and didn't find anything. Does anyone remember what it was called?

[Cour]

I looked back in the Rumours thread and didn't find anything. Does anyone remember what it was called?

Here you go! The actual insanity doesn't come to the surface until about post 62? but it's worth reading through it from the beginning to see how it unfolded.

Insane Fans 101 (http://www.fleetwoodmac.net/ledge/showthread.php?t=16289)

I wouldn't know where to look for their actual review of their FM hotel adventure when this all started, maybe its on the BN site in their fan review section.

Warning: Don't read this before bedtime ;)

[catinthedark]

Oh I'm totally a chiffon head :p But I think I have the restraint and respect not to be a rabid and unhealthily obsessed Chiffon Head ya know?

I would never like knock on the woman's door or anything and wouldn't try to get close to people who are close to her just for the possibility of knowing her...I actually like not knowing or meeting Stevie because then I'm free to envision how she is or would be ya know? I'd hate to have my ideal crushed :p

Yup - put me in that chiffon head club, too! :) Healthily a fan - but way short of the rabid, crazed, obsessed sort. That whole story of the fans calling Kristen was even more than creepy; it was sad. People with nothing better to do with their lives than crank call the objects of their desire (or their wives)? Yikes.

[WildInTheWind]

Wow, that is weird considering that Stevie must have a lot of that footage herself. I mean she's known to videotape her sessions in the studio so she must have lots of stuff from the early days with Robin on it. I'm surprised she hasn't shown any of this to Matthew.

I thought it was a little strange, too. He said he asked both Mick and Stevie, and they said they both had footage, but didn't know where it was or it was in storage or something. Being that it was recorded 25+ years ago, this could be true. That or maybe she didn't want him to see it? I'd image that alot of that footage probably had stuff on it that is less than positive considering all the drugs and alcohol they were using. I don't know though...

[Cour]

Don't forget about darling 4buck and her disturbing, disturbing fascination with Lindsey. That was just as scary as that other chick who called Lindsey's wife.

Oh, Cayla...forgot about her :( She was in a class all by herself with her insane views on women and their bare tummies and women who had children out of wedlock. I always suspected she was either the most creatively insane troll....or a man. :confused:

Cayla and the one who called Lindsey's wife wanting to know if the band got their cards (only the tip of the iceberg for those that didn't read the full story) are definitely at the top of Insane Fans list.

[dissention]

Ahh, "Kim*Berly", how could we forget? :laugh:

~*~*~*~Her card was gorgeous*~*~*~*~did Stevie love it or what?~*~*~

[Cour]

I thought it was a little strange, too. He said he asked both Mick and Stevie, and they said they both had footage, but didn't know where it was or it was in storage or something. Being that it was recorded 25+ years ago, this could be true. That or maybe she didn't want him to see it? I'd image that alot of that footage probably had stuff on it that is less than positive considering all the drugs and alcohol they were using. I don't know though...

If they do have tapes it's probably mixed in with hundreds of hours worth of footage, I don't see Stevie wanting to wade through that but I would think knowing how important it would be to Mathew (never knowing his mother) she would want him to have some of that priceless footage and would have had someone try to find it.

Its kind of funny that the fans have better access to that old footage then the band............its also sad and says a lot that we're probably never going to get a release of all the good stuff they have. :(

[dissention]

Its kind of funny that the fans have better access to that old footage then the band............its also sad and says a lot that we're probably never going to get a release of all the good stuff they have. :(

Eh, they just don't want to be bothered with releasing quality stuff anymore. Unless it's Rumours Part 87, forget it. :thumbsup:

[Cour]

~*~*~*~Her card was gorgeous*~*~*~*~did Stevie love it or what?~*~*~

you mean you didn't call her to ask her how much she loved that homeade card? :eek: lol

[dissention]

you mean you didn't call her to ask her how much she loved that homeade card? :eek: lol

~*~Not I, my love...~*~*~

For your card
Your card....your beautiful card
Is in my blood...for it...is in my blood
Like the goddess Rhiannon...

[Cour]

That whole story of the fans calling Kristen was even more than creepy; it was sad. People with nothing better to do with their lives than crank call the objects of their desire (or their wives)? Yikes.

It was sad because they totally believed they had a right to know and that calling her or badgering the band's management about it was absolutely normal. They were not going to stop persuing it until they found out what the band thought of their cards and gifts. :eek: :eek: :eek:

[dissention]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

God, you have to feel sorry for Lindsey's wife having to deal with people like Kim*Berly and Cayla. She deserves all those diamonds he supposedly bought for her.

:laugh:

She deserves to be called the Queen of the USA for having to deal with such utter ****. She should be sent roses every other day. :laugh:

Seriously, I feel so bad for the chick, the ugly gossip on the internet about her is just obscene.

[catinthedark]

Here you go! The actual insanity doesn't come to the surface until about post 62? but it's worth reading through it from the beginning to see how it unfolded.

Insane Fans 101 (http://www.fleetwoodmac.net/ledge/showthread.php?t=16289)

I wouldn't know where to look for their actual review of their FM hotel adventure when this all started, maybe its on the BN site in their fan review section.

Warning: Don't read this before bedtime ;)

Oh my good God! My head exploded the first time I read that thread. I'm now picking up the little pieces of my brain again!! Great. I had bigger and better plans for my day...

[catinthedark]

The other thing about the whole Matthew "connection" to Stevie... Stevie married Kim when Matthew was an infant. They divorced, like, how many months later? And then she saw neither of them for years and years. I tend to doubt he really thinks of Stevie as his "stepmother" or really, anything else besides his late mother's best friend. I think any of the rabid fans who think talking to him and getting close to him is going to get them some deep, hidden inside juice on Stevie will be sadly mistaken. My guess is he knows her, has met her a few times, but is hardly a "close" family member. You know? :shrug:

[dissention]

The other thing about the whole Matthew "connection" to Stevie... Stevie married Kim when Matthew was an infant. They divorced, like, how many months later? And then she saw neither of them for years and years. I tend to doubt he really thinks of Stevie as his "stepmother" or really, anything else besides his late mother's best friend. I think any of the rabid fans who think talking to him and getting close to him is going to get them some deep, hidden inside juice on Stevie will be sadly mistaken. My guess is he knows her, has met her a few times, but is hardly a "close" family member. You know? :shrug:

The whole thing is very...fech.

Love Stevie and her music, but sometimes the need to know about her personal life and all the juicy details about her failed marriage and such comes across as distasteful and scary. No one would be interested in this dude if he wasn't Matthew (not that I believe he is). It's all very disconcerting.

[GardenStateGirlie]

The other thing about the whole Matthew "connection" to Stevie... Stevie married Kim when Matthew was an infant. They divorced, like, how many months later? And then she saw neither of them for years and years. I tend to doubt he really thinks of Stevie as his "stepmother" or really, anything else besides his late mother's best friend. I think any of the rabid fans who think talking to him and getting close to him is going to get them some deep, hidden inside juice on Stevie will be sadly mistaken. My guess is he knows her, has met her a few times, but is hardly a "close" family member. You know? :shrug:

Apparently if it weren't for Stevie, he wouldn't be living in California right now. She helps him out a lot and they do speak.

As far as people talking to him for inside information, while I'm certain they are, he's not going to come out and say things that he wouldn't want repeated if he had respect for Stevie.

[dissention]

Yeah but Josh, she had those children out of wedlock you know! And yeah, maybe she's married to the father now, but only because Lindsey is so weak-willed and blinded by her evil ways, that he couldn't mind up his out mind about it. :rolleyes:

Honestly though, Kristin is a saint for having to deal with that stuff.

You've been had, my love! Kristin is nothing but Lindsey's sperm bank! She was impregnated with Stevie's eggs and hatched the two of them three beautiful children. Didn't you know?

:lol:

That's my particular favorite bit of gossip. :D

[catinthedark]

You've been had, my love! Kristin is nothing but Lindsey's sperm bank! She was impregnated with Stevie's eggs and hatched the two of them three beautiful children. Didn't you know?

:lol:

That's my particular favorite bit of gossip. :D

You mean, you mean... they're not Stevie's children? Oh, misery. And that idea of a menopausal woman mothering children that came from Kristen's big old pregnant belly was so plausible.

[Cour]

Oh my good God! My head exploded the first time I read that thread. I'm now picking up the little pieces of my brain again!! Great. I had bigger and better plans for my day...

I just read about 3 posts when the insanity started to unravel and my head exploded too.

I forgot that Jonathan Todd had offered to help Kimberly find out if the band got their gifts and cards. For all of the Jonathan Todd haters.............with any luck, and if there's any justice in this world.......Kimberly and all of her friends are still calling Jonathan and his wife and harassing them everyday since this started :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

On a funny ironic note, the thread I llinked was about Mick's Q&A ...the one he started a day or two after it was announced on the Penguin that John would be doing a Q&A here!

Well, Mick's so busy that he still hasn't answered one question from his Q&A :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Jonathan and the Moderators have conveniently fallen back into slimey waters they came from and have no answers as to why Mick hasn't answered anything. :shrug:

[WildInTheWind]

Yes...I remember this. I don't think I knew about the whole calling Kristen thing, but I heard about this....alot. I think it was on BN.net, too, or something about it. Nutty :]

[dissention]

I just read about 3 posts when the insanity started to unravel and my head exploded too.

I forgot that Jonathan Todd had offered to help Kimberly find out if the band got their gifts and cards. For all of the Jonathan Todd haters.............with any luck, and if there's any justice in this world.......Kimberly and all of her friends are still calling Jonathan and his wife and harassing them everyday since this started :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

On a funny ironic note, the thread I llinked was about Mick's Q&A ...the one he started a day or two after it was announced on the Penguin that John would be doing a Q&A here!

Well, Mick's so busy that he still hasn't answered one question from his Q&A :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Jonathan and the Moderators have conveniently fallen back into slimey waters they came from and have no answers as to why Mick hasn't answered anything. :shrug:

I still haven't recovered from hearing Toad's wife sing. :distress:

[Cour]

I think any of the rabid fans who think talking to him and getting close to him is going to get them some deep, hidden inside juice on Stevie will be sadly mistaken. My guess is he knows her, has met her a few times, but is hardly a "close" family member. You know? :shrug:

I have no idea whether he has any juice about Stevie , or if there is indeed any juice to be had:) but it seems he does tell some fans some information about her and some fans would kill for any information about her or to know someone close to her. Its sad to see someone cozying up to him having seen them do this with half a dozen other people, who have no other worth to someone other than their connection (or possible connection) to a band member or someone in the industry. It's quite pathetic, and so calculated you could throw up.

[Serrart]

I have no idea whether he has any juice about Stevie , or if there is indeed any juice to be had:) but it seems he does tell some fans some information about her and some fans would kill for any information about her or to know someone close to her. Its sad to see someone cozying up to him having seen them do this with half a dozen other people, who have no other worth to someone other than their connection (or possible connection) to a band member or someone in the industry. It's quite pathetic, and so calculated you could throw up.

Wow, people must look really tiny from up there. ;)

Romy

[StevieNicksEO17]

Okay, so I just read all those 13 pages of that thread. It was seriously hilarious and creepy all at the same time. I thought I was a big fan, but that makes me look like nothing now. :nod:

[Cour]

Wow, people must look really tiny from up there. ;)

Romy

No, sorry if it came off that way. It's just sad when you see a pattern of behavior from a few people using other people and the calculated way they go about it. I can't believe what some fans will do to get close to people connected to the band or industry. The only amusement is watching them chase people who have absolutely no connection to the band. Watching them deceive innocent trusting people who don't know their motives is just plain sad. I have no idea whether Mathew knows or doesn't know that people are doing this, or if he's able to distinguish who is true and who is not. Hopefully he can.

[DrummerDeanna]

It was sad because they totally believed they had a right to know and that calling her or badgering the band's management about it was absolutely normal. They were not going to stop persuing it until they found out what the band thought of their cards and gifts. :eek: :eek: :eek:


Right? The thing that disturbed me on top of that was the fact that this chick just COULD NOT see that what she and her friends did was strange or wrong...that was totally sad....and yes - folks like that totally give us "normal folk" a bad :laugh:

I have to wonder if these people seriously think that actions like that are going to get them anywhere but in a court being handed a restraining order :shrug:

[GardenStateGirlie]

I have no idea whether Mathew knows or doesn't know that people are doing this, or if he's able to distinguish who is true and who is not.

I would never feel comfortable asking some guy I don't even know about Stevie but if others do, knock your socks off. I'm fairly certain he's 22 or 23. I think he can figure it out. Perhaps he's getting one big laugh out of it. I'm sure he's able to discern from the crazies. It's not that hard ~*~

[WildInTheWind]

He seemed a little freaked out by the fact that not only did people know who he was, but they were talking about him on message boards. Understandably so! I know I would be.

[Serrart]

No, sorry if it came off that way. It's just sad when you see a pattern of behavior from a few people using other people and the calculated way they go about it. I can't believe what some fans will do to get close to people connected to the band or industry. The only amusement is watching them chase people who have absolutely no connection to the band. Watching them deceive innocent trusting people who don't know their motives is just plain sad. I have no idea whether Mathew knows or doesn't know that people are doing this, or if he's able to distinguish who is true and who is not. Hopefully he can.

Hopefully he can, I wish the same; but I think people that behave like that as fans are the same who behave (or would like to behave) like that in everyday life, in their relationships with family, friends or at work. A fan community is a micro universe, I don't find so disconcerting to find also here a small percentage of them, we're all represented. :D

Romy

[Cour]

I'm sure he's able to discern from the crazies. It's not that hard ~*~

Crazy is a subjective word when it comes to fans:) Seriously, the people I was talking about are all around in and very prominent in the FM online world and would not be classified as crazies. What they do is very calculated and very manipulative. Savvy sharp fans who have been around for ages have been taken in by what they've done, so I'm not so sure Mathew would know what they were up to.


He seemed a little freaked out by the fact that not only did people know who he was, but they were talking about him on message boards.

Based on what WildInTheWind posted above and what I've heard he's told some fans, I'm not so sure he would be aware what some fans are really looking for. They're not obvious about it and go out of their way to make it appear they're not getting to know you and cozying up to you just for your contacts with FM or the industry.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Crazy is a subjective word when it comes to fans:) Seriously, the people I was talking about are all around in and very prominent in the FM online world and would not be classified as crazies. What they do is very calculated and very manipulative. Savvy sharp fans who have been around for ages have been taken in by what they've done, so I'm not so sure Mathew would know what they were up to.

Well if he still talks to Stevie (as he's said he does) and these savvy sharp fans are getting their dirt from unreliable yet believable sources, what would the point be in talking to Matthew when he probably wouldn't spill anything they'd want to hear anyway? He seems to have his head on straight. I tend to think he wanted to find out a little more about his mother because I wonder how much she was discussed while he was growing up.

[Cour]

and these savvy sharp fans are getting their dirt from unreliable yet believable sources


I don't believe I said they're getting dirt from anyone. I think I said they persue anyone with a connection to the band or industry hoping they can. I also see some information is never enough for some and every bit of minutiae is important to them ;)

He seems to have his head on straight. I tend to think he wanted to find out a little more about his mother because I wonder how much she was discussed while he was growing up.

I'm sure that's true and considering that Mick or Stevie couldn't give him those wonderful videos with his mother I would imagine it must have great for him to get them from the fan from this thread who sent them. Perhaps telling Stevie he's seen those will spur her to put someone to work finding all the other great films she has of his mother. After all, what is she saving them for? If digging them out for Mathew to see his mother isn't the best reason possible, I don't know what would be. :shrug:

[NicksIllume]

Okay, so I just read all those 13 pages of that thread. It was seriously hilarious and creepy all at the same time. I thought I was a big fan, but that makes me look like nothing now. :nod:

You are a big fan, but you are a healthy fan. :)

[GardenStateGirlie]

I don't believe I said they're getting dirt from anyone. I think I said they persue anyone with a connection to the band or industry hoping they can. I also see some information is never enough for some and every bit of minutiae is important to them ;)

Sorry, I assumed your "taken in" was getting taken for a ride with unreliable information (i.e. "dirt") from said calculated and manipulative fans. Then again, some people that have psuedo connections to the band are quite quick to make statements alluding to the fact they know someone or something, are quick to defend and often at times just as rabid with their opinions and statements as those who believe these incredible lies. They make it their quest to rectify the injustices they see occuring. I'm not sure which fan is "crazier" (although we can't call them that because they're prominent) It seems like each is manipulating to me :shrug:

[gldstwmn]

Cayla and the one who called Lindsey's wife wanting to know if the band got their cards (only the tip of the iceberg for those that didn't read the full story) are definitely at the top of Insane Fans list.

Someone called Lindsey's wife? :confused: Oh, dear god. Way to represent the fan community, people. :distress:

[gldstwmn]

Isn't he . . . what? 22?

That sounds about right.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Someone called Lindsey's wife? :confused: Oh, dear god. Way to represent the fan community people. :distress:

Yes but I don't see how someone could manage to get a hold of her cell phone number which is why I think it's possible they didn't call to begin with, thought we'd all think it's cool that her friend did this and make up that part of the story. Chasing them around a hotel I doubt they even stayed in? That part I believe took place. She was ten kinds of crazy. We reemed her out a few months back when she posted this story. She hasn't been back since.

[Cour]

Sorry, I assumed your "taken in" was getting taken for a ride with unreliable information (i.e. "dirt") from said calculated and manipulative fans.

I think you misunderstood what I meant. The people being taken for the ride (savvy longtime fans) are the ones who do have a connection to the band and don't realize the fans who want to get close to and befriend them are really only interested in who they might know and what that might mean to them in terms of information or access to industry or band members. Hope that clarifies it.


Then again, some people that have psuedo connections to the band are quite quick to make statements alluding to the fact they know someone or something, are quick to defend and often at times just as rabid with their opinions and statements as those who believe these incredible lies. They make it their quest to rectify the injustices they see occuring. I'm not sure which fan is "crazier" (although we can't call them that because they're prominent) It seems like each is manipulating to me :shrug:

The word crazy when it comes to fans is very subjective, there's all kinds of crazy. Like you said in your other post, there's ten kinds of crazy floating around out there in FMland and one person's crazy is another person's gospel truth ;)

[gldstwmn]

Wow, that is weird considering that Stevie must have a lot of that footage herself. I mean she's known to videotape her sessions in the studio so she must have lots of stuff from the early days with Robin on it. I'm surprised she hasn't shown any of this to Matthew.

Given that she has a staff, I'm sure he could obtain a nice, clean copy just for the asking.

[Cour]

Yes but I don't see how someone could manage to get a hold of her cell phone number which is why I think it's possible they didn't call to begin with

I don't remember her specifically saying cell phone number and Lindsey's home number was floating around out there a while back so its totally possible that her and her lunatic friends did have it. From the way she recalled the calls going down, I totally believed those idiots called more than once. The incredible lunatic factor (although there were many) was that they didn't think anything they did was wrong until people started jumping on her saying it was. Even then it took some convincing for her to even start back tracking her story and making it seem like they didn't do it.

Hey, anyone who would post that hotel chasing insane review and be proud of it, would have no qualms about callling Lindsey's home and posting about it. She was very disappointed that Mick didn't answer the Q&A questions because she was still determined to get an answer about their gifts and cards. She could only see how her need to know overshadowed everything else.

[Cour]

Given that she has a staff, I'm sure he could obtain a nice, clean copy just for the asking.

I believe Mathew did ask, WildInTheWind posted



He said he asked both Mick and Stevie, and they said they both had footage, but didn't know where it was or it was in storage or something.

[GardenStateGirlie]

I don't remember her specifically saying cell phone number and Lindsey's home number was floating around out there a while back so its totally possible that her and her lunatic friends did have it. From the way she recalled the calls going down, I totally believed those idiots called more than once. The incredible lunatic factor (although there were many) was that they didn't think anything they did was wrong until people started jumping on her saying it was. Even then it took some convincing for her to even start back tracking her story and making it seem like they didn't do it.

Hey, anyone who would post that hotel chasing insane review and be proud of it, would have no qualms about callling Lindsey's home and posting about it. She was very disappointed that Mick didn't answer the Q&A questions because she was still determined to get an answer about their gifts and cards. She could only see how her need to know overshadowed everything else.


I'm fairly certain it was her cell phone. When I get a chance, i'll see if I can find it. No matter which number they called, it's crazy. Needless to say, i'm glad she took a hike from the Fleetwood Mac fandom.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Wow this thread sure has grown...I think that like someone said this IS a Fleetwood Mac website and that's why everyone here is not totally devoted to Stevie, which is OK. No doubt Stevie has MANY fans here at the Ledge, some of her most devoted fans are the very ones who criticize or just joke or tease about her from time to time...they can take it...they dont cry when someone says Stevie's butt is a little big, they laugh...because they know they love Stevie...it's weird, but true..

Don't come here talking about us being crazy when wasn't it the BN Board who had the thread about Stevie REALLY being Jessica Nicks' mother, and she gave her to Lori and Chris to hide the pregnancy--and thats why she was REALLY big in the early 90s..I mean cmon...

We arent the ones living in a fantasy world here

Chris

[heyjupiter678]

Needless to say, i'm glad she took a hike from the Fleetwood Mac fandom. You and me both. She was all kinds of crazy.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

I still haven't recovered from hearing Toad's wife sing. :distress:
::shudder::

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

I'm fairly certain it was her cell phone. When I get a chance, i'll see if I can find it. No matter which number they called, it's crazy. Needless to say, i'm glad she took a hike from the Fleetwood Mac fandom.
I'm sure someone very recently posted on the BN board about how easy it was to obtain Kristen and Lindseys phone number from the internet. I just tried to find the thread but couldn't remember where it was posted

Pip

[GardenStateGirlie]

Don't come here talking about us being crazy when wasn't it the BN Board who had the thread about Stevie REALLY being Jessica Nicks' mother, and she gave her to Lori and Chris to hide the pregnancy--and thats why she was REALLY big in the early 90s..I mean cmon...

We arent the ones living in a fantasy world here

Chris

Let's not throw all "shippers" into the deluded ~*~wyndchild~*~ basket, either. Much like things that are posted on this board aren't necessarily the entire groups belief, same goes for there as well. Some people might take offense to things like the blackdress thread and comments about Stevie's weight. Without speaking for Kelly, I think that's the point she was trying to get across earlier in this thread.

[GateandGarden]

Wow. There's quite a lot to this thread and I can't even begin to try to address all of it. But I wanted to say (since this is one of the many subjects) that there are things that offend me everywhere. I get offended when people take the shipper stuff so far that it's utterly disrespectful to Stevie, Lindsey, Kristin, and the children, and I am also offended when people call Stevie fat and insult her mercilessly. I dislike it when people pretend she's perfect and I dislike it when people bash her relentlessly and unnecessarily. There's some of that to be found on many boards, not just BN or The Ledge.

[ontheEdgeof17]

I dislike it when people pretend she's perfect and I dislike it when people bash her relentlessly and unnecessarily.


But she is perfect! :laugh:



Oh....forgot about Desert Angel.

[dissention]

Some people might take offense to things like the blackdress thread

SQUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

That thread deserves a few :blob2: :blob1: :blob2: !

[ThePenguin]

On a funny ironic note, the thread I llinked was about Mick's Q&A ...the one he started a day or two after it was announced on the Penguin that John would be doing a Q&A here!

Well, Mick's so busy that he still hasn't answered one question from his Q&A :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Jonathan and the Moderators have conveniently fallen back into slimey waters they came from and have no answers as to why Mick hasn't answered anything. :shrug:

Not to sound big-headed, but Mick and Chris should both have just done theirs here w/ us. :D We have it down to a science now.

We're up for it if they ever are!!

-Lis

[Cour]

Not to sound big-headed, but Mick and Chris should both have just done theirs here w/ us. :D We have it down to a science now.

We're up for it if they ever are!!

-Lis

Of course they should have, at least Mick knows that the Penguin is THE Fleetwood Mac site........but his ego can't seem to grasp that the pathetic site Jonathan is running is more of an embarrassment at this point

I always found it amusing that they announced their Q&A with Mick about 1-2 days after John's was announced. Coincidence? lol


So who's up next? ;) (not counting John's inevitable and anxiously awaited return) :]

[ThePenguin]

Of course they should have, at least Mick knows that the Penguin is THE Fleetwood Mac site........but his ego can't seem to grasp that the pathetic site Jonathan is running is more of an embarrassment at this point

I always found it amusing that they announced their Q&A with Mick about 1-2 days after John's was announced. Coincidence? lol

So who's up next? ;) (not counting John's inevitable and anxiously awaited return) :]

I'm trying. I've invited several people to do them, but no response yet...

I forgot about how Mick announced that Q&A right after we announced John's, that was sort of funny! Someone over there was checking things out over here. :)

I think we'll get some more from John eventually. Maybe it's more fun for him in small doses. He knows all those questions are sitting here waiting....and I think he did get a kick out of doing it.

Actually on this note of Mick knowing about our site, there's something I keep forgetting to mention: My brother in law worked for a hotel in NY, the hotel where Mick and partner etc stayed when they were in the city promoting Mick's wine (the Hyatt, was it? My BIL is somewhere else now.) My BIL- David Adelson-had a chance to speak w/ a guy in Mick's entourage, and told him "My brother and his wife run a big FM site--Marty Adelson, he runs The Penguin."

The guy perked right up. "The Penguin?! We love that website! We were just talking the other day about fan sites and that one was in the top three!" (I suppose this means 2 are better than us but I can handle that LOL, I know we don't update or market stuff as much as we could...and there are some other great sites out there.) So anyway the guy actually returned to my BIL later w/ a bottle of wine that Mick had signed-- "To Marty, love Mick Fleetwood." I should take a picture of it and show you guys, it's in a nice case in our kitchen above the computer, w/ some other FM stuff.

My BIL did meet Mick briefly, said he was a BIG guy, very imposing, strong handshake. So anyway I'd like to think that Mick know who we are...?

And on the off chance that Mick reads this, the Adelsons say thanks for the wine. :)

-Lis

[Cour]

I'm trying. I've invited several people to do them, but no response yet...

well, that's rude! lol Don't they know this is THE place for Q&A's;)


Actually on this note of Mick knowing about our site, there's something I keep forgetting to mention: My brother in law worked for a hotel in NY, the hotel where Mick and partner etc stayed when they were in the city promoting Mick's wine (the Hyatt, was it? My BIL is somewhere else now.) My BIL- David Adelson-had a chance to speak w/ a guy in Mick's entourage, and told him "My brother and his wife run a big FM site--Marty Adelson, he runs The Penguin."

The guy perked right up. "The Penguin?! We love that website! We were just talking the other day about fan sites and that one was in the top three!" (I suppose this means 2 are better than us but I can handle that LOL, I know we don't update or market stuff as much as we could...and there are some other great sites out there.) So anyway the guy actually returned to my BIL later w/ a bottle of wine that Mick had signed-- "To Marty, love Mick Fleetwood." I should take a picture of it and show you guys, it's in a nice case in our kitchen above the computer, w/ some other FM stuff.

My BIL did meet Mick briefly, said he was a BIG guy, very imposing, strong handshake. So anyway I'd like to think that Mick know who we are...?

And on the off chance that Mick reads this, the Adelsons say thanks for the wine. :)

That's such a great story and totally random the way that happened. Love it!

Well, he did say it was one of the top three, that didn't mean the other 2 were ahead of you in their view, For all you know they thought the Penguin was the top site....wouldn't be a reach to come to that conclusion :shrug: Yes, there are many other great sites but no other FM site has as extensive a collection of information as the Penguin.......that's just a fact! :nod:

BTW - I just read that Cath Caroll book. Not a bad book at all and it was filled with enough interesting information to make it different from the other ones we've read. I also thought her knowledge of music and the way she critiqued the tracks on Rumours and Tusk was interesting. She did a lot of research and the book looked at that time less from the soap opera aspect and more from the music perspective. She didn't harp on the romance angle and rarely mentioned the drugs.


Her kudos to you, Marty and the Penguin were wonderful. She seemed genuinely impressed at the vast amount of information on this site.

[ThePenguin]

well, that's rude! lol Don't they know this is THE place for Q&A's;)

I guess I kinda see it that way as well. :thumbsup: Although I have to say that w/ the other 4, it's doubtful they'd wanna do it directly w/ us, they'd maybe want a middleman/manager etc to be involved, which makes things complicated...I'm not the kind of person to deal w/ managers. Plus they all have thier own sites/venues in which to do it. (Sadly, though, they aren't really getting done!!) The other people I asked were more 'peripheral people', that were on the sidelines for years but who must have tons of info/memories.


I will admit that in the beginning, boy, we did not do them as well as we could. I recently told a friend here at the ledge that we sent poor Jeremy running from his computer in terror LOL. Probably the way Chris may be running from hers regarding her own Q&A!


BTW - I just read that Cath Caroll book. Not a bad book at all and it was filled with enough interesting information to make it different from the other ones we've read. I also thought her knowledge of music and the way she critiqued the tracks on Rumours and Tusk was interesting. She did a lot of research and the book looked at that time less from the soap opera aspect and more from the music perspective. She didn't harp on the romance angle and rarely mentioned the drugs.

Her kudos to you, Marty and the Penguin were wonderful. She seemed genuinely impressed at the vast amount of information on this site.

I also enjoyed her book, and she did have nice things to say about the site. All the credit was appreciated. I think we were a bit hurt though--being that she used a lot of material from us- that the publisher didn't contact us earlier than the release of the book to market it; they just sent info to us along w/ everyone else. Another site then quickly got exclusivity rights to it, which was fine, but now that that time period is over the publisher is sort of wanting us to market the book at this time. Marty had a few choice words about that LOL. I dunno. I guess I'm being immature by not jumping at the chance...petty, perhaps... :sorry:

But in any case, it was lovely to receive the acknowledgement from Cath Carroll. Credit is nice to get. Unlike in another thread, the whole 'Bob Welch interview' from some Dec 2004 publication-- I think much of it is from our Q&A w/ him!! I thought it sounded familiar LOL. But no credit...odd that folks can just lift stuff and call it their own.

Oh well.

-Lis

[Cour]

. Plus they all have thier own sites/venues in which to do it. (Sadly, though, they aren't really getting done!!) The other people I asked were more 'peripheral people', that were on the sidelines for years but who must have tons of info/memories.

Well, you got the best of the lot when you scored John;)

I also enjoyed her book, and she did have nice things to say about the site. All the credit was appreciated. I think we were a bit hurt though--being that she used a lot of material from us- that the publisher didn't contact us earlier than the release of the book to market it; they just sent info to us along w/ everyone else. Another site then quickly got exclusivity rights to it, which was fine, but now that that time period is over the publisher is sort of wanting us to market the book at this time. Marty had a few choice words about that LOL. I dunno. I guess I'm being immature by not jumping at the chance...petty, perhaps... :sorry:

So that's how the other site ended up with those give away books, I wondered how that happened. Weird that they wouldn't approach your site first since she credited you so many times and was very gracious in her praise of the wealth of information available here. LOL - I'd have the same choice words as Marty. I don't think you're wrong for not doing it unless there's something great in it for you or the site. Even then, I'd probably pass.

I thought WB contacting all the FM sites about the Live in Boston DVD's and not even offering them a free DVD for advertising and promoting the damn thing was beyond low. The DVD costs them a few dollars and they think all the fan sites are just there to help them and they don't have to do the smallest thing in return for asking for a favor.

But in any case, it was lovely to receive the acknowledgement from Cath Carroll. Credit is nice to get. Unlike in another thread, the whole 'Bob Welch interview' from some Dec 2004 publication-- I think much of it is from our Q&A w/ him!! I thought it sounded familiar LOL. But no credit...odd that folks can just lift stuff and call it their own.

I'm confused, Cath Carroll didn't lift your Bob Welch interview did she? It seemed she was always refering to your site, and in particular the Ken C Q&A many times throughout the book.

The real travesty was the Leah Furman book. She lifted every bit of information for that book from this site. It was like she printed out the BLA and just copied it. Besides the trashy nature of the book, I don't believe she even had the good grace to credit the site at all.

[gldstwmn]

I believe Mathew did ask, WildInTheWind posted

Sorry, I hadn't gotten that far in the thread.

[ThePenguin]

Well, you got the best of the lot when you scored John;)

Well, it's no secret I adore him. :) So I'd have to agree that to ME he was the best. Although I certainly know that people that adore LB or Stevie or Chris or Mick (anyone out there adore Mick LOL?) would LOVE a nice well-run Q&A w/ those folks just as much as I loved having John, and it makes a me a little sad and frustrated that that's not happened. It could be a nice positive experience for the artist (if done properly) and fun for the fans as well. It makes the people on both ends feel special.

I'm confused, Cath Carroll didn't lift your Bob Welch interview did she? It seemed she was always refering to your site, and in particular the Ken C Q&A many times throughout the book.

No, she didn't, that was from another magazine, Smash, was that the name of it? It's in the PreRumours forum, I think; I just linked to the article recently. Sorry to confuse you!

The real travesty was the Leah Furman book. She lifted every bit of information for that book from this site. It was like she printed out the BLA and just copied it. Besides the trashy nature of the book, I don't believe she even had the good grace to credit the site at all.

No, she didn't. I guess she could have just owned all those interviews herself...who knows. But I would have to agree that much of what she had could be found in the BLA.

-Lis

[GateandGarden]

(anyone out there adore Mick LOL?) :wavey: Me! :) He may not be my all-time fave Mac member, but ever since I read his autobiography (what. a. trip.) I've been so charmed by him! :blob2:

[GateandGarden]

But she is perfect! :laugh:



Oh....forgot about Desert Angel.:laugh::lol::laugh:

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

I will admit that in the beginning, boy, we did not do them as well as we could. I recently told a friend here at the ledge that we sent poor Jeremy running from his computer in terror LOL. Probably the way Chris may be running from hers regarding her own Q&A!



-Lis
From what I've been told Chris is in the process of recording her answers to cassette.

Pip

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Well, it's no secret I adore him. :) So I'd have to agree that to ME he was the best. Although I certainly know that people that adore LB or Stevie or Chris or Mick (anyone out there adore Mick LOL?) would LOVE a nice well-run Q&A w/ those folks just as much as I loved having John, and it makes a me a little sad and frustrated that that's not happened. It could be a nice positive experience for the artist (if done properly) and fun for the fans as well. It makes the people on both ends feel special.


-Lis
To be fair though I think it does depend on the subject. They can make the whole business difficult and not run as smoothly as Johns did.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

The real travesty was the Leah Furman book. She lifted every bit of information for that book from this site. It was like she printed out the BLA and just copied it. Besides the trashy nature of the book, I don't believe she even had the good grace to credit the site at all.
A little credit goes a long way. I know when I gave Bob Brunning additional info when he updated his book it was nice that he gave me a nod for taking the time. At least I could make sure that he had the correct information this time!!

Pip

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

:wavey: Me! :) He may not be my all-time fave Mac member, but ever since I read his autobiography (what. a. trip.) I've been so charmed by him! :blob2:

I used to think a lot more of Mick. It's a shame the whole Jonathan Todd fiasco tarnished it somewhat

Pip

[ThePenguin]

From what I've been told Chris is in the process of recording her answers to cassette.

Pip

Fantastic news! No typing for her LOL. I suppose someone will then transcribe it, very cool. Thanks for the info, Pip.

-Lis

[glitter_fades]

I used to think a lot more of Mick. It's a shame the whole Jonathan Todd fiasco tarnished it somewhat

Pip

Ditto. I wonder if Mick knows JT lifted things directly from The Penguin to put on Mick's site. Remember that?
Those things disappeared from Mick's site almost as fast as the fan club complaints on Mick's chat. :]

[ThePenguin]

Ditto. I wonder if Mick knows JT lifted things directly from The Penguin to put on Mick's site. Remember that?
Those things disappeared from Mick's site almost as fast as the fan club compalints on Mick's chat. :]


Ahh, fond memories. :D I doubt Mick knew about that. (I'd hope he didn't think that was OK!)

-Lis

[DrummerDeanna]

:wavey: Me! :) He may not be my all-time fave Mac member, but ever since I read his autobiography (what. a. trip.) I've been so charmed by him! :blob2:


:wavey: I like Mick too :nod: Being a drummer myself I've always been a Mick fan - granted he's not my favorite Mac member - but I do like him - though hearing about the JOnathan Todd stuff did hurt his rep in my mind a bit - I still am not anti-Mick :)

[dissention]

:wavey: I like Mick too :nod: Being a drummer myself I've always been a Mick fan - granted he's not my favorite Mac member - but I do like him - though hearing about the JOnathan Todd stuff did hurt his rep in my mind a bit - I still am not anti-Mick :)

If you're not anti-Mick by now, you never will be, dear. ;) :laugh:

[amber]

:wavey: I like Mick too :nod: Being a drummer myself I've always been a Mick fan - granted he's not my favorite Mac member - but I do like him - though hearing about the JOnathan Todd stuff did hurt his rep in my mind a bit - I still am not anti-Mick :)
I know Mick is evil, and I understand that, but I like him when he talks on Camera. He's very expressive, and sometimes he makes jokes and laughs, and he generally looks like he's actually trying to tell you something; sometimes he gives somewhat candid information, too. Basically, I find him fairly engaging in those situations. :) Yes, I know, he is evil.

[dissention]

I know Mick is evil, and I understand that, but I like him when he talks on Camera. He's very expressive, and sometimes he makes jokes and laughs, and he generally looks like he's actually trying to tell you something; sometimes he gives somewhat candid information, too. Basically, I find him fairly engaging in those situations. :) Yes, I know, he is evil.

Oy. He's trying to tell us to buy his wine. :lol:

Did you listen to that interview with him back when they had the Mac marathon and premiered the LIB tracks? Painful, I tell you. I was cringing for him. Yeah, yeah, I know, it wasn't on-camera, but it was still unbelievable. :laugh:

[amber]

Oy. He's trying to tell us to buy his wine. :lol:

Did you listen to that interview with him back when they had the Mac marathon and premiered the LIB tracks? Painful, I tell you. I was cringing for him. Yeah, yeah, I know, it wasn't on-camera, but it was still unbelievable. :laugh:
I'm not sure I have. But I would like to. Well, that's part of what makes him engaging, he's CRAZY, and he might say some stupid,funny, embarrassing sh**! :laugh:

[dissention]

I'm not sure I have. But I would like to. Well, that's part of what makes him engaging, he's CRAZY, and he might say some stupid,funny, embarrassing sh**! :laugh:

The only thing crazy about him is how he tries to sell everything under the sun because he's Mick Fleetwood. Golf videos, drum loops, some mini stereo bull****, art prints, wine, etc. The man is tackier than Suzanne Sommers.

[amber]

The only thing crazy about him is how he tries to sell everything under the sun because he's Mick Fleetwood. Golf videos, drum loops, some mini stereo bull****, art prints, wine, etc. The man is tackier than Suzanne Sommers.
Yeah, I know.

[DrummerDeanna]

The only thing crazy about him is how he tries to sell everything under the sun because he's Mick Fleetwood. Golf videos, drum loops, some mini stereo bull****, art prints, wine, etc. The man is tackier than Suzanne Sommers.

lol...come on now - he hasn't resorted to QVC or anything yet...um..has he?

I also enjoy his expresiveness - especially when he plays - he just looks F***ing crazy and I love it :D

oh and as for Mick selling crap - I own a pair Mick Fleetwood Signature Series drum sticks :D

[dissention]

lol...come on now - he hasn't resorted to QVC or anything yet...um..has he?

No, but that's what makes him even tackier. At least slags like Suzanne Sommers are up front and honest about their cashing-in. Mick is just slutty about it all. :laugh:

[amber]

No, but that's what makes him even tackier. At least slags like Suzanne Sommers are up front and honest about their cashing-in. Mick is just slutty about it all. :laugh:
I think I like that! :lol:

[GateandGarden]

I know Mick is evil, and I understand that, but I like him when he talks on Camera. He's very expressive, and sometimes he makes jokes and laughs, and he generally looks like he's actually trying to tell you something; sometimes he gives somewhat candid information, too. Basically, I find him fairly engaging in those situations. :) Yes, I know, he is evil.Oh geez. I hate it when I'm completely clueless, but you have to remember that I've been a fan for less than two years now...so can someone clue me in on what the Jonathan Todd thing is about? I hate for something to make me lose all respect, though. I certainly didn't think of him as perfect, but then again I don't think of any of them that way, so... Well, can someone either tell me or direct me to a thread I can read if y'all don't wanna rehash it. Thanks! :)

[GypsySorcerer]

Oh geez. I hate it when I'm completely clueless, but you have to remember that I've been a fan for less than two years now...so can someone clue me in on what the Jonathan Todd thing is about? I hate for something to make me lose all respect, though. I certainly didn't think of him as perfect, but then again I don't think of any of them that way, so... Well, can someone either tell me or direct me to a thread I can read if y'all don't wanna rehash it. Thanks! :)

Try this:

Todd (http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=10138&page=1&pp=15)

:wavey:

[GateandGarden]

Try this:

Todd (http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=10138&page=1&pp=15)

:wavey:Ah! Thank you Krista! Man, what a fiasco! What a bastard. :distress: Is there any recent news on the situation with him, or, more specifically, is he still working for FM?

[GypsySorcerer]

Ah! Thank you Krista! Man, what a fiasco! What a bastard. :distress: Is there any recent news on the situation with him, or, more specifically, is he still working for FM?

You're welcome. I don't know what his current situation is - maybe some of the enlightened Ledgies can help us out. :)

[dissention]

Ah! Thank you Krista! Man, what a fiasco! What a bastard. :distress: Is there any recent news on the situation with him, or, more specifically, is he still working for FM?

Well, he was the executive producer of Mick's solo album. :thumbsup: I didn't waste my money on it, but I wonder if Todd's wife made any vocal appearances.

:eek:

[Cour]

Ditto. I wonder if Mick knows JT lifted things directly from The Penguin to put on Mick's site. Remember that?


Yes, Mick was told. Mick was told everything Jonathan Todd had done and he did absolutely nothing to change anything. When it was clear he was not going to take any action about what he had been told, Tony called a meeting with the Lindsey, Stevie, John and Mick. As soon as they learned what had happened they insisted Jonathan Todd be fired. Unfortunately, that proved tougher than anything anyone could have imagined. He had an iron clad contract that was almost impossible to break for cause. Eventually they succeeded in firing him.

Those things disappeared from Mick's site almost as fast as the fan club complaints on Mick's chat.

They were as sloppy at removing things as they were at running the fanclub. There was enough left on the site to compile a 72 page report that was presented to the 4 band member and their management. The report documented enough complaints and posts about what happened with the club and those first presales to convince management that the fans were fleeced and mislead by the fanclub, and lied to over and over again by Jonathan Todd and those 2 low life administrators.

[dissention]

those 2 low life administrators.

Why, surely you aren't referring to Trinity and golddustwoman (Jackie)! :]

Her fascination with Mick's testicles was enough to drive me away eventually, it just so happened that I got banned before I could run. And Trinity? Oy.

[GateandGarden]

Yes, Mick was told. Mick was told everything Jonathan Todd had done and he did absolutely nothing to change anything. When it was clear he was not going to take any action about what he had been told, Tony called a meeting with the Lindsey, Stevie, John and Mick. As soon as they learned what had happened they insisted Jonathan Todd be fired. Unfortunately, that proved tougher than anything anyone could have imagined. He had an iron clad contract that was almost impossible to break for cause. Eventually they succeeded in firing him.



They were as sloppy at removing things as they were at running the fanclub. There was enough left on the site to compile a 72 page report that was presented to the 4 band member and their management. The report documented enough complaints and posts about what happened with the club and those first presales to convince management that the fans were fleeced and mislead by the fanclub, and lied to over and over again by Jonathan Todd and those 2 low life administrators.Thank you for the info. :wavey:

[Cour]

Try this:

Todd (http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=10138&page=1&pp=15)

Just skimmed back through that thread, what bad freaking memories. The only good times on that board were Sarah's funny pictures.....they ticked Jonathan off no end and they kept us in stitches. Janet Lee, Judy Garland and the LOL guy:)

I don't know what his current situation is - maybe some of the enlightened Ledgies can help us out

Mick kept Jonathan and the 2 low life administrators on running his own site. He never opened up the membership to the people who were thrown out.....not that we'd want to go back, but that was the very least he could have done to acknowledge how badly the FM fans were treated.

If anyone saw the Grammy Awards last week, during U2's acceptance speech.... Larry? took time to apologize to the fans who were screwed during their most recent presale. The band is giving membership refunds (no questions asked) and the band is seriously working on something else to make it up to the fans who were screwed. Sounds just like the way the band members of FM and their management handled things with their fanclub:(

[dissention]

Just skimmed back through that thread, what bad freaking memories. The only good times on that board were Sarah's funny pictures.....they ticked Jonathan off no end and they kept us in stitches. Janet Lee, Judy Garland and the LOL guy:)

THE LOL GUY WAS MY FAVORITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wish Sara would pop in and just post it for old time's sake. :laugh: She had me on the floor when she typed "Bad Apple" in under her avatar.

[GateandGarden]

Mick kept Jonathan and the 2 low life administrators on running his own site. He never opened up the membership to the people who were thrown out.....not that we'd want to go back, but that was the very least he could have done to acknowledge how badly the FM fans were treated. That really is a shame. :(

[Cour]

THE LOL GUY WAS MY FAVORITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wish Sara would pop in and just post it for old time's sake. :laugh: She had me on the floor when she typed "Bad Apple" in under her avatar.

Oh...*Sara*......please post a few pictures........pretty please :xoxo:

I forgot about her Bad Apple, that was hysterical! Didn't Sara or someone else do some creative artwork with Jonathan's picture and post it on his board? I remember he had a fit.....it was worth every moment.

Oh, I just remembered the HAPPY LETTERS :eek:

[GypsySorcerer]

Mick kept Jonathan and the 2 low life administrators on running his own site. He never opened up the membership to the people who were thrown out.....not that we'd want to go back, but that was the very least he could have done to acknowledge how badly the FM fans were treated.




Sheebus. What a shame. :(

[ThePenguin]

Yes, Mick was told. Mick was told everything Jonathan Todd had done and he did absolutely nothing to change anything. When it was clear he was not going to take any action about what he had been told, Tony called a meeting with the Lindsey, Stevie, John and Mick. As soon as they learned what had happened they insisted Jonathan Todd be fired. Unfortunately, that proved tougher than anything anyone could have imagined. He had an iron clad contract that was almost impossible to break for cause. Eventually they succeeded in firing him.

Thanks for the reminder. I now remember Marty talking to Tony on the phone about what was happening. yeesh, watta mess.

-Lis

[Sugar]

Well I went over to Mick's board since you guys were talking about it and I was curious as to what was happening at the old rat trap these days...

And I found this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16071&item=6512387987&tc=photo

I won't even comment...I'll just let it speak for itself...and I think it does... ;)

[ontheEdgeof17]

Well I went over to Mick's board since you guys were talking about it and I was curious as to what was happening at the old rat trap these days...

And I found this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16071&ite m=6512387987&tc=photo

I won't even comment...I'll just let it speak for itself...and I think it does... ;)


Can you do the URL again? You have a space in the word "item". I can't copy and paste since the whole URL is not typed out. :o

[Sugar]

Yeah...just fixed it... :sorry:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Yeah...just fixed it... :sorry:


Thanks! :xoxo:


........10 grand and doesn't include a hotel or airplane tickets? No thanks.

[dissention]

Well I went over to Mick's board since you guys were talking about it and I was curious as to what was happening at the old rat trap these days...

And I found this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=16071&item=6512387987&tc=photo

I won't even comment...I'll just let it speak for itself...and I think it does... ;)

:lol::lol::lol:

I'd rather breastfeed Gary Coleman.

[StevieNicksEO17]

:lol::lol::lol:

I'd rather breastfeed Gary Coleman.

ROTFL :lol::laugh: Nice choice of words :thumbsup:

[strandinthewind]

:lol::lol::lol:

I'd rather breastfeed Gary Coleman.

well, he is still small enough :shrug:

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Cour]

Well I went over to Mick's board since you guys were talking about it and I was curious as to what was happening at the old rat trap these days...

It's the ghost town we predicted it would be. No sign of Jackie or Trinity, and Jonathan only shows up once every 6 months to hawk something for Mick.

I'm thinking back to when that board first got going in the early part of 2003 and they thought they were so much better then the Ledge and every other FM site around.

I still haven't figured out where all those devoted Mick lovers were hiding all those years before that site was created. :shrug: Oh, right...they didn't love Mick, it was only the access they thought kissing everyone's ass would bring them :)





........10 grand and doesn't include a hotel or airplane tickets? No thanks.

It's only $1,000........a bargain if I ever saw one!

It doesn't specify how long this lesson will be?.......stinks of Mick's shady management.

[Livia]

Also worth noting: The auction's been up for a week and....what? NO bidders? :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

Also worth noting: The auction's been up for a week and....what? NO bidders? :shrug:

poor thing - bless his heart :rolleyes:

[ontheEdgeof17]

It's only $1,000........a bargain if I ever saw one!

It doesn't specify how long this lesson will be?.......stinks of Mick's shady management.


I swore I saw 4 zeros. :sorry:

[Cour]

Also worth noting: The auction's been up for a week and....what? NO bidders? :shrug:

surprise surprise :shrug: LOL!

you know if someone wins this its going to be heartache for them to get what they were promised in any timely manner. He doesn't have time to answer the 5 questions his devoted fans sent in for a Q&A he initiated 5 months ago.

[Cour]

:lol::lol::lol:

I'd rather breastfeed Gary Coleman.


now that's funny! :laugh: I wish I had that picture of the LOL guy right now

[estranged4life]

Oh...*Sara*......please post a few pictures........pretty please :xoxo:

I forgot about her Bad Apple, that was hysterical! Didn't Sara or someone else do some creative artwork with Jonathan's picture and post it on his board? I remember he had a fit.....it was worth every moment.


I wished I was still able to post on the M$ck website, Just so I could use the following image in honor of Sara and her cooly hilarious images that she used (Since Jonathon the fraud always thought she was just causing trouble she could've used this one to really give him a major fit):

<div align=center>
<img src="http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/negative10.jpg" width=300 height=400></div>

"Ah, Those were the days", Sara rules in my books!!!! :nod: :thumbsup: :nod:

[gldstwmn]

Yes, Mick was told. Mick was told everything Jonathan Todd had done and he did absolutely nothing to change anything. When it was clear he was not going to take any action about what he had been told, Tony called a meeting with the Lindsey, Stevie, John and Mick. As soon as they learned what had happened they insisted Jonathan Todd be fired. Unfortunately, that proved tougher than anything anyone could have imagined. He had an iron clad contract that was almost impossible to break for cause. Eventually they succeeded in firing him.


Now why didn't that make the Destiny Rules Documentary? :lol:

[gldstwmn]

Why, surely you aren't referring to Trinity and golddustwoman (Jackie)! :]

Her fascination with Mick's testicles was enough to drive me away eventually, it just so happened that I got banned before I could run. And Trinity? Oy.

Darling, you would not believe how close he is to you in the Live In Boston DVD.
I think it's in that show or one of the boots where he is wearing a lanyard and taking photos with a 35mm camera. Anyone else remember that?

[gldstwmn]

Just skimmed back through that thread, what bad freaking memories. The only good times on that board were Sarah's funny pictures.....they ticked Jonathan off no end and they kept us in stitches. Janet Lee, Judy Garland and the LOL guy:)
(

That was some funny stuff.

[gldstwmn]

Oh...*Sara*......please post a few pictures........pretty please :xoxo:

I forgot about her Bad Apple, that was hysterical! Didn't Sara or someone else do some creative artwork with Jonathan's picture and post it on his board? I remember he had a fit.....it was worth every moment.



I seem to remember that. Maybe we could coax her out of retirement for a couple of those?
That whole thing was one crazy ****storm.

[gldstwmn]

well, he is still small enough :shrug:

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Thud. (Falls off chair.) :] :laugh: :laugh: I'd pay $1000 for that.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Darling, you would not believe how close he is to you in the Live In Boston DVD.
I think it's in that show or one of the boots where he is wearing a lanyard and taking photos with a 35mm camera. Anyone else remember that?

No, but I certainly remember him pushing me into the speakers in the front row in Philadelphia so he could yell like a fruitloop to Lindsey.

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Ah! Thank you Krista! Man, what a fiasco! What a bastard. :distress: Is there any recent news on the situation with him, or, more specifically, is he still working for FM?
He is still Mick's 'business partner' and even gets a mention on Micks latest album.

Pip

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Well, he was the executive producer of Mick's solo album. :thumbsup: I didn't waste my money on it, but I wonder if Todd's wife made any vocal appearances.

:eek:
:eek: :eek:

[estranged4life]

I love Stevie so I guess that makes me a chiffon head! I've been called much worse! LOL!

Pip

I would be called since I am a metalhead who happens to be a Stevie Nicks fan. "Leather & Chiffon Head"??? :shrug:

Hmmm, I guess I could alter the lyrics to a classic song by the British metalers Saxon "Denim & Leather":

"Chiffon and Leather...go on together..." :thumbsup:

[estranged4life]

Its kind of funny that the fans have better access to that old footage then the band............its also sad and says a lot that we're probably never going to get a release of all the good stuff they have. :(

Man, I am glad I share stuff that I 'acquire' with others since waiting for FM to officially release it is the same as expecting Dick Clark & Ed McMahon showing up with Jesus Christ to present ya with a $10,000,000 check...Which is an udder fantasy!

Thank God for the Fleetwood Mac trade circles :thumbsup:

[SaraRhiannon]

Aw, you guys. Yep, those were the days! These are the only ones I currently have (got a new computer a few months ago) but hopefully other people (Tiff?) saved the rest:


http://www.stevienicksunderground.com/ohmy.jpg

http://www.stevienicksunderground.com/lol.jpg

http://www.stevienicksunderground.com/destarred.jpg

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Aw, you guys. Yep, those were the days! These are the only ones I currently have (got a new computer a few months ago) but hopefully other people (Tiff?) saved the rest:


http://www.stevienicksunderground.com/ohmy.jpg

http://www.stevienicksunderground.com/lol.jpg

http://www.stevienicksunderground.com/destarred.jpg
Sara... you rocketh! :xoxo:

Pip

[Kelly]

Wow. There's quite a lot to this thread and I can't even begin to try to address all of it. But I wanted to say (since this is one of the many subjects) that there are things that offend me everywhere. I get offended when people take the shipper stuff so far that it's utterly disrespectful to Stevie, Lindsey, Kristin, and the children, and I am also offended when people call Stevie fat and insult her mercilessly. I dislike it when people pretend she's perfect and I dislike it when people bash her relentlessly and unnecessarily. There's some of that to be found on many boards, not just BN or The Ledge.


Exactly! It is also quite ridiculous how anyone who does not find the constant barrage of insults hurled Stevie's way to be funny, is repeatedly told to "lighten up" or "learn how to take a joke". I am a huge Lindsey fan. I adore him as much, if not more than Stevie at times..so I am not a chiffonhead, persay..but I still find the amount of hurtful things said about her upsetting. Saying that is like pissing in the wind though as I will be told to "go worship her some more" or "learn to accept her faults".
Whatever.

There have been some, over the top, quite shocking things said on the BN board. Most of the time those posts are left by young, naive, inexperienced or just plain stupid, fans. There are also some informative, interesting discussions over there and those threads strongly out number the psycho babble. When the post appeared regarding Jessie being SnL's love child, the girl was run off that board as quickly as the newbies and shipper's are run off this one.

[WildInTheWind]

Exactly! It is also quite ridiculous how anyone who does not find the constant barrage of insults hurled Stevie's way to be funny, is repeatedly told to "lighten up" or "learn how to take a joke". I am a huge Lindsey fan. I adore him as much, if not more than Stevie at times..so I am not a chiffonhead, persay..but I still find the amount of hurtful things said about her upsetting. Saying that is like pissing in the wind though as I will be told to "go worship her some more" or "learn to accept her faults".
Whatever.

There have been some, over the top, quite shocking things said on the BN board. Most of the time those posts are left by young, naive, inexperienced or just plain stupid, fans. There are also some informative, interesting discussions over there and those threads strongly out number the psycho babble. When the post appeared regarding Jessie being SnL's love child, the girl was run off that board as quickly as the newbies and shipper's are run off this one.

Very true Kelly. I don't see that much of the crazy talk over at the bn forum. Everyonce in awhile it pops up, but I've been on that board for over a year now, and I think there are alot of good disscusions...definatly out-weighing the psyco babble.

[DrummerDeanna]

Question: I'm a bit slow sometimes on catching on to things :p - why are the linds/stevie romantics called "shippers" and is that even what shipper refers to? :p - I've been wondering this for some time :)

[Cour]

Very true Kelly. I don't see that much of the crazy talk over at the bn forum. Everyonce in awhile it pops up, but I've been on that board for over a year now, and I think there are alot of good disscusions...definatly out-weighing the psyco babble.

Just as the great number of wonderful discussions about Stevie and the fans love for her far here at the Ledge far outweigh a few insults and criticisms by a few members every once in a while. :nod:

No one said that the comments don't go over the top sometimes, but it seems there's a huge double standard when it comes to put downs and insulting posts and who is fair game. There are many great things about the BN forum besides the shipper aspect (as I pointed out in my original post) but generalizing and coloring anything with one huge brushstroke isn't fair. It's also not fair to keep blaming the negative comments and over the top discussions and actions on a few young people, but I guess that depends on what someone's opinion of over the top is. :shrug:

[Cour]

Aw, you guys. Yep, those were the days! These are the only ones I currently have (got a new computer a few months ago) but hopefully other people (Tiff?) saved


thank you sara :xoxo: I think those were the best of them.

I forgot about the STAR system and your constant reminder to JT and those idiots about how dumb it was. I cant remember, did they take away your stars when you did something wrong?......like that was going to shatter your tiny little world! LOL

Speaking of their dumb system, they all got into a huge fight last year when they were trying to come up with a new system or names for their STAR MEMBERS who had 10,000 or 1 BAZILLION posts. I believe GOD was being considered for the top honor :shocked:, I dont remember what they settled on, but it was funny watching the moderators still threatening to close down the thread because their GODlike members couldn't agree on something. :lol:

[DrummerDeanna]

But what is the origin of Shipper ?? does the name have some significance of some sort?

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

thank you sara :xoxo: I think those were the best of them.

I forgot about the STAR system and your constant reminder to JT and those idiots about how dumb it was. I cant remember, did they take away your stars when you did something wrong?......like that was going to shatter your tiny little world! LOL

Speaking of their dumb system, they all got into a huge fight last year when they were trying to come up with a new system or names for their STAR MEMBERS who had 10,000 or 1 BAZILLION posts. I believe GOD was being considered for the top honor :shocked:, I dont remember what they settled on, but it was funny watching the moderators still threatening to close down the thread because their GODlike members couldn't agree on something. :lol:
They settled on God... :rolleyes:

[Cour]

But what is the origin of Shipper ?? does the name have some significance of some sort?

To be honest, I really don't know for sure. I always though it had something to do with the presumed ongoing romantic relationship between Stevie and Lindsey. I assumed the term was used for fans who wanted them to be together? NOTE: I really don't know for sure, so this is only a guess or something I assumed so please no flames if I assumed wrong :shrug:

[Cour]

They settled on God... :rolleyes:

Thanks! I thought so, but I didn't want to say it unless I was sure, and it sure wasn't worth a trip over there to find out :laugh:

[DrummerDeanna]

To be honest, I really don't know for sure. I always though it had something to do with the presumed ongoing romantic relationship between Stevie and Lindsey. I assumed the term was used for fans who wanted them to be together? NOTE: I really don't know for sure, so this is only a guess or something I assumed so please no flames if I assumed wrong :shrug:

Okay - thanks for trying :D That would make sense..the relationship thing - I've just only recently really noticed this term being thrown around and I hadn't heard it before and didn't know where it came from :)

[StevieNicksEO17]

the girl was run off that board as quickly as the newbies and shipper's are run off this one.

Alright, I think maybe this thread is totally getting out of hand, but who am I to say anything. I'm a shipper and a newbie... Are you planning on running me off here? :confused: :mad:

[dissention]

Darling, you would not believe how close he is to you in the Live In Boston DVD.
I think it's in that show or one of the boots where he is wearing a lanyard and taking photos with a 35mm camera. Anyone else remember that?

:eek:

Surely you jest!!!!!!!!!!!! I have to pop that in right now. :laugh:

[dissention]

:eek: :eek:

Remember, Pip, her name is pronounced EE-low-nah. ;)

[dissention]

Aw, you guys. Yep, those were the days! These are the only ones I currently have (got a new computer a few months ago) but hopefully other people (Tiff?) saved the rest:


http://www.stevienicksunderground.com/ohmy.jpg

http://www.stevienicksunderground.com/lol.jpg

http://www.stevienicksunderground.com/destarred.jpg

:lol::lol::lol:

:xoxo:

Fabulous, sweetie, just fabulous. I'm saving them to my hard drive for posterity. :laugh:

[dissention]

Exactly! It is also quite ridiculous how anyone who does not find the constant barrage of insults hurled Stevie's way to be funny, is repeatedly told to "lighten up" or "learn how to take a joke". I am a huge Lindsey fan. I adore him as much, if not more than Stevie at times..so I am not a chiffonhead, persay..but I still find the amount of hurtful things said about her upsetting. Saying that is like pissing in the wind though as I will be told to "go worship her some more" or "learn to accept her faults".
Whatever.

That's quite the exaggeration. I've never seen anyone told to "go worship her some more" or "learn to accept her faults" on this board. You may not like some of the things said about her, but tough tacos. Not everyone has the same opinions or ways of saying things, and while the discourse can get pretty rough around here, it certainly isn't anywhere near as bad as you make it out to be. Aren't you the one who got upset because another poster said Stevie "croaked" Rhiannon? Oy, save your great offense for meaningful things, not the vocals of a fiftysomething singer.

[dissention]

thank you sara :xoxo: I think those were the best of them.

I forgot about the STAR system and your constant reminder to JT and those idiots about how dumb it was. I cant remember, did they take away your stars when you did something wrong?......like that was going to shatter your tiny little world! LOL

Speaking of their dumb system, they all got into a huge fight last year when they were trying to come up with a new system or names for their STAR MEMBERS who had 10,000 or 1 BAZILLION posts. I believe GOD was being considered for the top honor :shocked:, I dont remember what they settled on, but it was funny watching the moderators still threatening to close down the thread because their GODlike members couldn't agree on something. :lol:

They knocked your post count down to zero and erased all your stars if you stepped out of line. The first time that happened to me was when I put a dirty limmerick about Toad in my signature.

[David]

I used to think a lot more of Mick. It's a shame the whole Jonathan Todd fiasco tarnished it somewhatI've always considered Mick a bit of a dufus personally -- venal, irresponsible & misguided -- but he's always been my favorite drummer in rock & roll, & I'm practically grateful that he was Fleetwood Mac's drummer all these years based on musical reasons alone (that plus the fact that it's kind of cool to have such a tall drummer in your band). I would not have fallen so deeply in love with Fleetwood Mac's music had it not been for his propulsive, pared-down attack on the skins. That is as much a part of the signature Mac sound as anything else.

And it's always been my theory that Mick's height & body frame play an integral role in his sound, just like Christine's physical characteristics influence her style.

[WelshWitchPMD]

Darling, you would not believe how close he is to you in the Live In Boston DVD.
I think it's in that show or one of the boots where he is wearing a lanyard and taking photos with a 35mm camera. Anyone else remember that?

Hmm, I was right near them in the LIB video. That boot might be Chapaign, IL 5/9/2004 that you are taking about. I was also present for that one. :shrug:

[David]

To be honest, I really don't know for sure. I always though it had something to do with the presumed ongoing romantic relationship between Stevie and Lindsey. I assumed the term was used for fans who wanted them to be together?And that's a relatively recent phenomenon, by the way -- it started building steam with the reunion. Before that -- all the way back decades -- it was barely a blip on the fan radar screen. There may be a few scattered fans here & there who say they believed in the Stevie-Lindsey pairing, but it wasn't a "movement." Actually, Stevie Nicks fans (okay, many of them) were vociferously anti-Lindsey in the past, & many were anti-Fleetwood Mac. They were widely known to be such; many of them over the years were caustic & brutal about Stevie's bandmates (& some Mac fans were pretty brutal about Stevie) at concerts & elsewhere. Some of them used to say to me, "The others can go to hell."

What goes around, comes around. This band's fans have never been tightly knit in their love or of a mind with their devotion. That is a phony view of the reality; it never existed.

There is some confusion, too, about what it means to be a chiffonhead. A chiffonhead isn't synonymous with a Stevie lover. "Chiffonhead" is a sarcastic derivative of "Machead," & it was originally used to denote a type of Stevie fan who continually & inappropriately invoked the trappings of Stevie's image (the faeries, the unicorns, the stars, the fog, the magick, the pouty looks, the long white gowns, the New Age crystals) in their own lives & interactions with other fans. Chiffonheads were (are?) the people who talked to you -- with a straight face -- about the spirits speaking to them & who signed their letters & e-mail to you with "Much love" or "Magick unto ye" or "blessed be" or any number of silly phrases from Stevie's brand of Wicca & who addressed one another as "Angel" & who liberally peppered their conversation (such as it is) with lines from Stevie Nicks songs & interviews & who often turned into werewolves at the slightest artistic or musical criticism of Stevie herself. Such people did exist, regardless of whether you choose to believe it, & it was my experience that they existed in large numbers, & I don't need anybody telling me that I exaggerate it or concoct it or see it in a bad dream. Some of those people were extremely nasty (there's one in Kentucky who has alienated virtually the entire fan world for numerous reasons, & another one actually prevented a song from being included on a Stevie Nicks album after he stole it).

When I speak scornfully of "chiffonheads," those are the people I'm referring to -- not just anyone who happens to love Stevie.

[David]

They knocked your post count down to zero and erased all your stars if you stepped out of line. The first time that happened to me was when I put a dirty limmerick about Toad in my signature.I was thrown out of that live chat Mick had right at the beginning. I had a good feeling about it all from that point!

The rampant vainglory & nastiness over there was entertaining for a short time, but what ultimately got me out of there was the almost complete absence of threads worth reading (to me). That's always what drives me from the grounds. People say anything they want about me -- they always have -- but one thing they can't say is that I don't like talking about Fleetwood Mac. If there isn't anything interesting being said about the band -- historical, anecdotal, critical, etc. -- I lose interest in the pad.

[SaraRhiannon]

There is some confusion, too, about what it means to be a chiffonhead. A chiffonhead isn't synonymous with a Stevie lover. "Chiffonhead" is a sarcastic derivative of "Machead," & it was originally used to denote a type of Stevie fan who continually & inappropriately invoked the trappings of Stevie's image (the faeries, the unicorns, the stars, the fog, the magick, the pouty looks, the long white gowns, the New Age crystals) in their own lives & interactions with other fans. Chiffonheads were (are?) the people who talked to you -- with a straight face -- about the spirits speaking to them & who signed their letters & e-mail to you with "Much love" or "Magick unto ye" or "blessed be" or any number of silly phrases from Stevie's brand of Wicca & who addressed one another as "Angel" & who liberally peppered their conversation (such as it is) with lines from Stevie Nicks songs & interviews & who often turned into werewolves at the slightest artistic or musical criticism of Stevie herself. Such people did exist, regardless of whether you choose to believe it, & it was my experience that they existed in large numbers, & I don't need anybody telling me that I exaggerate it or concoct it or see it in a bad dream. Some of those people were extremely nasty (there's one in Kentucky who has alienated virtually the entire fan world for numerous reasons, & another one actually prevented a song from being included on a Stevie Nicks album after he stole it).

When I speak scornfully of "chiffonheads," those are the people I'm referring to -- not just anyone who happens to love Stevie.


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: It's about time somebody clarified.

[DrummerDeanna]

And that's a relatively recent phenomenon, by the way -- it started building steam with the reunion. Before that -- all the way back decades -- it was barely a blip on the fan radar screen. There may be a few scattered fans here & there who say they believed in the Stevie-Lindsey pairing, but it wasn't a "movement." Actually, Stevie Nicks fans (okay, many of them) were vociferously anti-Lindsey in the past, & many were anti-Fleetwood Mac. They were widely known to be such; many of them over the years were caustic & brutal about Stevie's bandmates (& some Mac fans were pretty brutal about Stevie) at concerts & elsewhere. Some of them used to say to me, "The others can go to hell."

What goes around, comes around. This band's fans have never been tightly knit in their love or of a mind with their devotion. That is a phony view of the reality; it never existed.

There is some confusion, too, about what it means to be a chiffonhead. A chiffonhead isn't synonymous with a Stevie lover. "Chiffonhead" is a sarcastic derivative of "Machead," & it was originally used to denote a type of Stevie fan who continually & inappropriately invoked the trappings of Stevie's image (the faeries, the unicorns, the stars, the fog, the magick, the pouty looks, the long white gowns, the New Age crystals) in their own lives & interactions with other fans. Chiffonheads were (are?) the people who talked to you -- with a straight face -- about the spirits speaking to them & who signed their letters & e-mail to you with "Much love" or "Magick unto ye" or "blessed be" or any number of silly phrases from Stevie's brand of Wicca & who addressed one another as "Angel" & who liberally peppered their conversation (such as it is) with lines from Stevie Nicks songs & interviews & who often turned into werewolves at the slightest artistic or musical criticism of Stevie herself. Such people did exist, regardless of whether you choose to believe it, & it was my experience that they existed in large numbers, & I don't need anybody telling me that I exaggerate it or concoct it or see it in a bad dream. Some of those people were extremely nasty (there's one in Kentucky who has alienated virtually the entire fan world for numerous reasons, & another one actually prevented a song from being included on a Stevie Nicks album after he stole it).

When I speak scornfully of "chiffonheads," those are the people I'm referring to -- not just anyone who happens to love Stevie.


Wow. I had no idea that's what a chiffon head is - I don't want to be one then :p - well I'm totally not what you've described above...because well never have I been a blue calm sea..I've always been...um oh wait - I mean...um. damn. caught in the act ;)

Kidding - and I'm doped up on cold meds....please excuse me...

Anyway so what, then is the origin of the term "shipper"?? Is it as Cour has hypothesized??

[dissention]

I was thrown out of that live chat Mick had right at the beginning. I had a good feeling about it all from that point!

The rampant vainglory & nastiness over there was entertaining for a short time, but what ultimately got me out of there was the almost complete absence of threads worth reading (to me). That's always what drives me from the grounds. People say anything they want about me -- they always have -- but one thing they can't say is that I don't like talking about Fleetwood Mac. If there isn't anything interesting being said about the band -- historical, anecdotal, critical, etc. -- I lose interest in the pad.

Most intelligent folks saw the writing on the wall when entire threads revolved around whether or not Todd would divulge the color of the boots Stevie wore at the rehearsals. If they didn't get what that inane place was about then, however, they certainly did once threads began to pop up regarding erotic dreams about Mick Fleetwood's "balls."

[SaraRhiannon]

Speaking of their dumb system, they all got into a huge fight last year when they were trying to come up with a new system or names for their STAR MEMBERS who had 10,000 or 1 BAZILLION posts. I believe GOD was being considered for the top honor :shocked:, I dont remember what they settled on, but it was funny watching the moderators still threatening to close down the thread because their GODlike members couldn't agree on something. :lol:


Oh. my. god. :eek:

I should be shocked and surprised... but I'm really not. :distress:

[dissention]

Some of those people were extremely nasty (there's one in Kentucky who has alienated virtually the entire fan world for numerous reasons, & another one actually prevented a song from being included on a Stevie Nicks album after he stole it).

Are you speaking of Babs Mcluin (forgive me for uttering such dirty words) and the guy who stole either Battle of the Dragon or Mirror Mirror (I forget which one)? :laugh:

[glitter_fades]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: It's about time somebody clarified.

Leave it to Dave! :lol: :lol: :laugh: :laugh:

[glitter_fades]

Oh. my. god. :eek:

I should be shocked and surprised... but I'm really not. :distress:

Memories, memories.

Sara, was this one of yours? I know seek had it as an avatar over there and got banned for it. Now with the drum lessons on ebay all we need to do is change "meet and greet" to "drum lessons" and we've got an ad campaign.

http://www.geocities.com/glitter_fades/Mick_transient.jpg

[SaraRhiannon]

Are you speaking of Babs Mcluin (forgive me for uttering such dirty words)

The one and the only! :lol: I heard a rumor that she's planning on moving to Arizona!

[dissention]

The one and the only! :lol: I heard a rumor that she's planning on moving to Arizona!

:lol::lol::lol:

She's a strong argument for birth control.

[glitter_fades]

The one and the only! I heard a rumor that she's planning on moving to Arizona!

:eek: :eek: :eek:

another stalker? :shocked:

[SaraRhiannon]

Memories, memories.

Sara, was this one of yours? I know seek had it as an avatar over there and got banned for it. Now with the drum lessons on ebay all we need to do is change "meet and greet" to "drum lessons" and we've got an ad campaign.

http://www.geocities.com/glitter_fades/Mick_transient.jpg


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Thanks, I was looking for that one! I didn't make it, but I think a guy named Alex did. He also made the 'Mick the Stripper' one, as well as the doctored money-grabbing Peacekeeper ad, I think. Hopefully somebody saved em!

[dissention]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Thanks, I was looking for that one! I didn't make it, but I think a guy named Alex did. He also made the 'Mick the Stripper' one, as well as the doctored money-grabbing Peacekeeper ad, I think. Hopefully somebody saved em!

I have Mick the Stripper on my other computer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

[dissention]

Sara, do you have a link to Babs' web page? :woohoo:

[glitter_fades]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

He also made the 'Mick the Stripper' one, as well as the doctored money-grabbing Peacekeeper ad, I think. Hopefully somebody saved em!

Those were priceless. Time to go a hunting. :wavey:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[glitter_fades]

I have Mick the Stripper on my other computer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

Oh, dude! Please!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[SaraRhiannon]

Sara, do you have a link to Babs' web page? :woohoo:


http://www.stevienicksillusions.homestead.com/Illusions.html

and

http://www.timelesstheband.com/


(You'll probably want to turn your speakers waaaaaay down, though!)

[dissention]

http://www.stevienicksillusions.homestead.com/Illusions.html

and

http://www.timelesstheband.com/


(You'll probably want to turn your speakers waaaaaay down, though!)

Oh my, she's now available for wedding receptions and bar mitzvahs. Mazel tov!

I bet if we send her a gift basket of assorted economy sized hairsprays, she'd send us an autographed photo as a token of her gratitude.

http://www.stevienicksillusions.homestead.com/files/newlove.jpg

[estranged4life]

Memories, memories.

Sara, was this one of yours? I know seek had it as an avatar over there and got banned for it. Now with the drum lessons on ebay all we need to do is change "meet and greet" to "drum lessons" and we've got an ad campaign.

<div align=center><img src="http://www.geocities.com/glitter_fades/Mick_transient.jpg"></div>

Why does the above image remind me of M$ck's "character" in the movie he did with Ar-nold the Governator?

[DrummerDeanna]

Oh my, she's now available for wedding receptions and bar mitzvahs. Mazel tov!

I bet if we send her a gift basket of assorted economy sized hairsprays, she'd send us an autographed photo as a token of her gratitude.

http://www.stevienicksillusions.homestead.com/files/newlove.jpg


um...okay...yikes. that's all I can think of to say - yikes. :eek:

[estranged4life]

um...okay...yikes. that's all I can think of to say - yikes. :eek:

I had someone named "Barbara" ask me to trade some of my Fleetwood Mac/Stevie music collection to 'em in exchange for pictures...But I noticed a person with a similar website name was hocking **** on eBay so I deleted her email offer...I wonder if it is the same person???

[dissention]

I had someone named "Barbara" ask me to trade some of my Fleetwood Mac/Stevie music collection to 'em in exhange for pictures...But I noticed this person was hocking **** on eBay so I deleted her email offer...I wonder if it is the same person???

:nod::nod::nod:

That's our Babs. Manager of the Stevie Nicks Collectors Club. :woohoo:

[GardenStateGirlie]

There is some confusion, too, about what it means to be a chiffonhead. A chiffonhead isn't synonymous with a Stevie lover. "Chiffonhead" is a sarcastic derivative of "Machead," & it was originally used to denote a type of Stevie fan who continually & inappropriately invoked the trappings of Stevie's image (the faeries, the unicorns, the stars, the fog, the magick, the pouty looks, the long white gowns, the New Age crystals) in their own lives & interactions with other fans. Chiffonheads were (are?) the people who talked to you -- with a straight face -- about the spirits speaking to them & who signed their letters & e-mail to you with "Much love" or "Magick unto ye" or "blessed be" or any number of silly phrases from Stevie's brand of Wicca & who addressed one another as "Angel" & who liberally peppered their conversation (such as it is) with lines from Stevie Nicks songs & interviews & who often turned into werewolves at the slightest artistic or musical criticism of Stevie herself. Such people did exist, regardless of whether you choose to believe it, & it was my experience that they existed in large numbers, & I don't need anybody telling me that I exaggerate it or concoct it or see it in a bad dream. Some of those people were extremely nasty (there's one in Kentucky who has alienated virtually the entire fan world for numerous reasons, & another one actually prevented a song from being included on a Stevie Nicks album after he stole it).

When I speak scornfully of "chiffonheads," those are the people I'm referring to -- not just anyone who happens to love Stevie.

This is the best thing i've read all day :laugh: Thanks, Dave!

[GardenStateGirlie]

:nod::nod::nod:

That's our Babs. Manager of the Stevie Nicks Collectors Club. :woohoo:

Is this the same woman that stole a bunch of fans tour pictures and put them on ****ty shirts??

[estranged4life]

:nod::nod::nod:

That's our Babs. Manager of the Stevie Nicks Collectors Club. :woohoo:


figured as much, I also have another trade offer from a person whose first name is Ginny (Last initial is M.) that I sometimes wonder if she could be the same "Ginny" that fans know to be a few sandwiches short of a picnic...

Hopefully this "Ginny M." is just another fan and not some "Whacka-loon".

[David]

I had someone named "Barbara" ask me to trade some of my Fleetwood Mac/Stevie music collection to 'em in exhange for pictures...But I noticed a person with a similar website name was hocking **** on eBay so I deleted her email offer...I wonder if it is the same person???That would be she.

Here's her game: She's grabs what is freely circulated on the Internet among fans -- photographs, audio, video -- & sells it to the highest bidder, & then publicly congratulates herself for being a loving, caring, extra-special & extra-talented lady, all the while backstabbing, chasing off & running down other fans. This has been going on for about six years now.

"Take us the foxes, the little foxes that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes." – Song of Solomon ii. 15.

[dissention]

Is this the same woman that stole a bunch of fans tour pictures and put them on ****ty shirts??

Yup. She also takes photos from the Nicks Fix, makes copies of them, and tries to get people to join her photo club where she'll send you copies of those very photos every month for a ridiculous fee.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Yup. She also takes photos from the Nicks Fix, makes copies of them, and tries to get people to join her photo club where she'll send you copies of those very photos every month for a ridiculous fee.

She sounds like something special alright. It's a shame they don't have laws against being a total asshole. She'd be jailed be now.

[dissention]

figured as much, I also have another trade offer from a person whose first name is Ginny (Last initial is M.) that I sometimes wonder if she could be the same "Ginny" that fans know to be a few sandwiches short of a picnic...

Hopefully this "Ginny M." is just another fan and not some "Whacka-loon".

Oy, Ginny is a she-beast. What a whack job. I thought people like that only existed in the movies.

Hope it's just a regular fan. :laugh:

[DrummerDeanna]

Wow - where do you guys run into these people?