Republican Celebrities

[Johnny Stew]

Hogwash. Go read post #67.Live and let live unless it's a necessity.

My bad. I missed that post somehow.
The first one I saw was this one:
No one needs to kill another beautiful creature when there is plenty of food out there for them to eat already. Why kill one more animal than needs to be killed? They surely aren't going to starve.
Which is why I commented the way I did, that your statement didn't allot for the people in this country who need to hunt for their food.

But I didn't realize you had made a previous comment that was a little more open-ended.

[irishgrl]

you mean like man - which surely is a natural predator :shrug:

but, I agree with your point to an extent, though historically deer tend to over populate notwithstanding that.

Hey if you want to call man a natural predator, fine! but I say, do away with the unnatural weapons! go back to the bow, and give the animal a fighting chance!
:nod:

[strandinthewind]

Hard to explain...

There's many reasons I enjoy hunting...I enjoy it I suppose because it's a time when you can enjoy anothers' company...it's no different than target shooting, when it comes to enjoying and learning precision and a skill...The deer season here is used to keep down the overpopulation of deer, and I suppose it's natural to desire to have skills of "living off the land" if ever necessary. When hunting you get to experience the outdoors (and yes of course you could do this many other ways).

Everything we do has consequences. Whether you choose to eat vegetables or meat, store-bought food or homegrown, cattle or venison, you contribute to the death of animals so you can eat.


I suggest it is in our DNA to enjoy it. Man must eat to survive and we are carnivores. I fully understand that one can make the choice to be a vegetarian and that man has evolved to the point where we do not have to eat the meat from the carcass (at least raw and in the wild as opposed to the Publix rotissere chicken :shrug: ) but we are carnivores. Thus, I suggest, like the drive for males to ejaculate is innate, the drive to kill and eat is as well. Both, however and again, are controllable.

[dissention]

glad it hurt :wavey: :angel: :angel: :angel: :angel: :p

I'm sure you are.

[dissention]

Hey if you want to call man a natural predator, fine! but I say, do away with the unnatural weapons! go back to the bow, and give the animal a fighting chance!
:nod:

A bow is a natural weapon, darling? Try a rock or a stick. :wavey:

[irishgrl]

Hohmigod - Potato Bugs *shudder* you mean those really giant bugs with two sections, right? (some people call rolly bugs potato bugs). One morning, I had gotten ready for 8th grade, and I had put my Vans on, and i kept feeling something in my toe. So I took my shoe off, tapped the toe, and out plops this GIANT potato bug! It was like, an inch and a half long, and as fat as a mouse! I was soooooo scared, and I just panicked. I froze, deciding what to do, and I couldn't get near the thing. Finally, i woke up my dad (who was pissed, cause he had worked swing shift) and was shaking, and almost crying, and was like "dad! DAD!!!!" and then i told him, and he was like "you woke me up for a BUG?!" and i was all "Dad, it's huge!" :laugh: :lol: Also, my mom and I both pretty much flee while screaming and panicking from anything that resembles a wasp/hornet/yellow jacket. One night five or so got into my house, my cat alerted me, and the one that got on my curtain by my ceiling? that i couldn't reach with spray? I sat and stared at that bastard for 45 MINUTES. i was so scared, and wouldn't let it out of my sight!
Anyways, sorry for the big thing, bugs just freak me out. :laugh:

Bugs dont freak me out, except for wasps, and hornets, they are aggressive and I like to get them before they get me, also I destroy any nests I find.
as for bugs in general, most of them get a yawn from me...although there was this one time I tried to drown a tomato worm and after about 5 minutes in the water, I fished it out and poked it and about jumped 3 ft up when it bent double at me! I HATE them things! so, lessee: spiders, wasps/hornets, potato bugs, and tomato worms....oh yeah scorpions too, but Ive never seen a live one, only plastic paperweight ones...they sure are UGLY!
:laugh:

[strandinthewind]

I am NOT a big city people. I live 3000ft up, where the minds get narrower along with the roads. where every garage has a junked car, every yard has a dog and every dog has an attitude. The basic uniform is jeans/teeshirt, and tobacco in a can in your back pocket, a gun in the truck a scraggly beard on your face and maybe a few teeth. so THERE!
:nod: :D

then quit acting like one :laugh: :laugh: (levity)

[amber]

I suggest it is in our DNA to enjoy it. Man must eat to survive and we are carnivores. I fully understand that one can make the choice to be a vegetarian and that man has evolved to the point where we do not have to eat the meat from the carcass (at least raw and in the wild as opposed to the Publix rotissere chicken :shrug: ) but we are carnivores. Thus, I suggest, like the drive for males to ejaculate is innate, the drive to kill and eat is as well. Both, however and again, are controllable.
Actually, we are less carnivores than Omnivores. And in fact the nature of our intestinal tract shows this; it is much less well suited to digest meat than a real carnivores. It is long and windy, which suggest suitability for digesting grains, nuts, etc., rather than so much meat. Carnivores have straighter digestive tracts. :wavey:

[Johnny Stew]

Hey if you want to call man a natural predator, fine! but I say, do away with the unnatural weapons! go back to the bow, and give the animal a fighting chance!
:nod:

You and I agree on a lot of things, but personally I would rather see someone hunt with a rifle than a bow.
Sure, a bow gives the animal a "fighting chance" in regards to getting away, but from everything I've read, the pain and suffering they feel from a bow wound lasts longer than from a gunshot wound.

[irishgrl]

A bow is a natural weapon, darling? Try a rock or a stick. :wavey:

yes, it is my dear! its made of sinew and wood. and, its what the natives used when deer were actually part of our natural food chain, which is my point. a gun artificially tips the odds in favor of the hunter every time.

[amber]

Bugs dont freak me out, except for wasps, and hornets, they are aggressive and I like to get them before they get me, also I destroy any nests I find.
as for bugs in general, most of them get a yawn from me...although there was this one time I tried to drown a tomato worm and after about 5 minutes in the water, I fished it out and poked it and about jumped 3 ft up when it bent double at me! I HATE them things! so, lessee: spiders, wasps/hornets, potato bugs, and tomato worms....oh yeah scorpions too, but Ive never seen a live one, only plastic paperweight ones...they sure are UGLY!
:laugh:
yeah, my dad made my mom this scorpion encased in whatever necklace. That damn thing was around my whole life, and freaked me out! :laugh: So, we've established we both kill bugs, i guess... :laugh: Oh, and that Potato bugs are heinous. :nod:

[strandinthewind]

Actually, we are less carnivores than Omnivores. And in fact the nature of our intestinal tract shows this; it is much less well suited to digest meat than a real carnivores. It is long and windy, which suggest suitability for digesting grains, nuts, etc., rather than so much meat. Carnivores have straighter digestive tracts. :wavey:

while that may be true, our teeth are meant to eat meat :shrug: and I know of no little kid that does not salivate at the smell of meat cooking. Later on they may make the choice not to eat it, but the initial smells draw them :shrug:

[irishgrl]

then quit acting like one :laugh: :laugh: (levity)

Well, I aint actually of the mindset up here either! some of the attitudes up here just amaze me! But, I am happy to say, I dont have a truck (I have a Jeep!) or a gun or a dog! I still have my teeth and I dont chew tobacco!
Plus, its great fun rousing the rabble and polluting their otherwise pristine Conservative backwaters with my insidious liberal lefty thinking! What fun! :]

[Johnny Stew]

Oh, and that Potato bugs are heinous. :nod:

Aww, I dig potato bugs. We used to play with them when we were little. Potato Bugs, Daddy Long Legs and worms.

Of course, we were boys... and little boys play with squirmy things. It prepares them for when they're bigger boys! :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Well, I aint actually of the mindset up here either! some of the attitudes up here just amaze me! But, I am happy to say, I dont have a truck (I have a Jeep!) or a gun or a dog! I still have my teeth and I dont chew tobacco!
Plus, its great fun rousing the rabble and polluting their otherwise pristine Conservative backwaters with my insisious liberal lefty thinking! What fun! :]

I sort of feel that way when I go to my hometown :laugh: They know by now just not to argue with me - one time, I actually handed out materials I had printed and INDEXED in anticipation of the neocon crap :laugh:

[irishgrl]

You and I agree on a lot of things, but personally I would rather see someone hunt with a rifle than a bow.
Sure, a bow gives the animal a "fighting chance" in regards to getting away, but from everything I've read, the pain and suffering they feel from a bow wound lasts longer than from a gunshot wound.

to me the idea of the animal getting away is very comforting. I am a bit surprised to hear that an arrow wound is more painful than a gunshot wound. I wonder how one determines that? isnt pain pain? Still, if you are right, thats a point that I never considered (frankly I didnt know such a comparison existed)
:confused:

[dissention]

while that may be true, our teeth are meant to eat meat :shrug: and I know of no little kid that does not salivate at the smell of meat cooking. Later on they may make the choice not to eat it, but the initial smells draw them :shrug:

My sister, actually. :woohoo: She has never liked meat of any kind and has never eaten it, only when she was forced to.

[strandinthewind]

to me the idea of the animal getting away is very comforting. I am a bit surprised to hear that an arrow wound is more painful than a gunshot wound. I wonder how one determines that? isnt pain pain? Still, if you are right, thats a point that I never considered (frankly I didnt know such a comparison existed)
:confused:

A cross bow is a very effective weapon. Sadly, most do not know how to use them.

The scary thing about a rifle is the bullet can travel for like a mile depending on the caiber and many miss :eek:

Again, I think guns are WAY to accessible to the general masses and people ought to earn the right to have one. But, that is just me :cool:

[irishgrl]

GASP! LOOK! there it IS! immortalized forever in the QUOTE window, a typo!
I told you I was anal! I fixed it in the original but TOO LATE! Ol Jason Johnny on the Spot already had me quoted and forever fixed it for eternity! GAD!
:eek:

Originally Posted by irishgrl
Well, I aint actually of the mindset up here either! some of the attitudes up here just amaze me! But, I am happy to say, I dont have a truck (I have a Jeep!) or a gun or a dog! I still have my teeth and I dont chew tobacco!
Plus, its great fun rousing the rabble and polluting their otherwise pristine Conservative backwaters with my insisious liberal lefty thinking! What fun!

can I just say: THANKS A HEAP JASON OLD BUDDY!

[strandinthewind]

My sister, actually. :woohoo: She has never liked meat of any kind and has never eaten it, only when she was forced to.

I suggest she is an anomaly :nod: AND - even as a baby - when she smelled meat she cringed? I do not think that is too common :shrug:

[amber]

while that may be true, our teeth are meant to eat meat :shrug: and I know of no little kid that does not salivate at the smell of meat cooking. Later on they may make the choice not to eat it, but the initial smells draw them :shrug:
Right, but not just meat. that's why i said Omnivores, but not Carnivores. If Carnivores, our teeth wouldn't have as many grindy ones in the back, and they'd be more like cats'. :) Carnivores eat solely meat, basically, except for the odd chewed pieces of grass to help digestion. And they're body chemistry is made to support an all meat diet, whereas ours is not - we would be severely malnourished if that was all we ate.

[Johnny Stew]

to me the idea of the animal getting away is very comforting. I am a bit surprised to hear that an arrow wound is more painful than a gunshot wound. I wonder how one determines that? isnt pain pain? Still, if you are right, thats a point that I never considered (frankly I didnt know such a comparison existed)
:confused:

Well, I suppose it's based more on medical "assumption" than anything. Taking into consideration the type of wound (as it would relate to human pain) and the amount of time it would take to die from such a wound, I guess is how they've determined it's more painful and causes more suffering.

It's sort of like boiling a lobster, I suppose... in that there's no way of knowing exactly how much it hurts the lobster, but you can be sure that it does.

[amber]

My sister, actually. :woohoo: She has never liked meat of any kind and has never eaten it, only when she was forced to.
I've recently read info that some blood types need hardly any meat, are adapted to largely a non meat, grain/fruit/veggie/nut diet. Meat in large quantities is detrimental to the efficient running of their system. :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

Right, but not just meat. that's why i said Omnivores, but not Carnivores. If Carnivores, our teeth wouldn't have as many grindy ones in the back, and they'd be more like cats'. :) Carnivores eat solely meat, basically, except for the odd chewed pieces of grass to help digestion. And they're body chemistry is made to support an all meat diet, whereas ours is not - we would be severely malnourished if that was all we ate.


oops - my bad :cool: :sorry: :cool:

[Miss Vicky]

Of course, we were boys... and little boys play with squirmy things. It prepares them for when they're bigger boys! :laugh:

Hey now, I'm a girl and used to play with squirmy things. I collected daddy long legs, beetles, worms, snails, etc. And sooner or later (most) girls get to play with those same "squirmy things" that bigger boys play with, they just belong to the boys! :nod:

[amber]

to me the idea of the animal getting away is very comforting. I am a bit surprised to hear that an arrow wound is more painful than a gunshot wound. I wonder how one determines that? isnt pain pain? Still, if you are right, thats a point that I never considered (frankly I didnt know such a comparison existed)
:confused:
well, I think the animal would die more quickly with a gunshot wound, and it's likely to be a more accurate shot, that's why people would say it is less painful. Aren't you supposed to break the animal's neck if it isn't dead after you shoot it? :confused:

[amber]

oops - my bad :cool: :sorry: :cool:
no big. :shrug: :xoxo: I think I knew what you meant, and figured you meant eat meat, but not only meat. yeah? :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

well, I think the animal would die more quickly with a gunshot wound, and it's likely to be a more accurate shot, that's why people would say it is less painful. Aren't you supposed to break the animal's neck if it isn't dead after you shoot it? :confused:

It depends on what you shoot, graphic details aside :eek: - a larger animal should be shot again if the first shot did not kill it.

[amber]

Hey now, I'm a girl and used to play with squirmy things. I collected daddy long legs, beetles, worms, snails, etc. And sooner or later (most) girls get to play with those same "squirmy things" that bigger boys play with, they just belong to the boys! :nod:
:laugh: :lol: :laugh:
*shudder* :lol: (about the bugs, not the other one)
I also get really freaked out when my mom tells me when she sees a crawdad in the river! :lol: I'm like "AAAAAAHHHH! A BIG BUG!!!" :lol: i did enjoy pollywogs when i was little, though.

[amber]

It depends on what you shoot, graphic details aside :eek: - a larger animal should be shot again if the first shot did not kill it.
yeah, i guess. either way, if it is still alive, and suffering, something should be done!

[dissention]

A gunshot is the most humane way to kill livestock so I don't see why this wouldn't transfer over to hunting wild animals. Ideally this is how animals should be slaughtered, a gunshot to the head.

Actually, in an ideal situation, animals should be slaughtered by being gassed. It's painless and rather quick. Why it isn't more widespread is beyond my comprehension.

Incidently my grandfather is a grazier and so I've been out hunting kangaroos with him. Actually he just drives around the property, casually chatting whilst hanging out the door, firing a rifle at anything that isn't cattle.

Maybe he'll hit a Murdoch sometime.

[strandinthewind]

. . . Actually he just drives around the property, casually chatting whilst hanging out the door, firing a rifle at anything that isn't cattle.

thank goodness you are in the vehicle :eek: :laugh:

I agree, though, that a gunshot is probably the most effective way to kill a large animal. A chicken or other bird is a little different and perhaps the chopping block is the most humane. They can also pretty much all be gassed - but that is a litle risky as gas is toxic - though I am sure it has been improved, etc.

[amber]

A gunshot is the most humane way to kill livestock so I don't see why this wouldn't transfer over to hunting wild animals. Ideally this is how animals should be slaughtered, a gunshot to the head.

Incidently my grandfather is a grazier and so I've been out hunting kangaroos with him. Actually he just drives around the property, casually chatting whilst hanging out the door, firing a rifle at anything that isn't cattle.
does he do that cause the 'roo eat the plants that are for his cattle? gaw, cattle! so many resources taken. (not directed at you or your grandpa, really) :)

[irishgrl]

A gunshot is the most humane way to kill livestock so I don't see why this wouldn't transfer over to hunting wild animals. Ideally this is how animals should be slaughtered, a gunshot to the head.

Incidently my grandfather is a grazier and so I've been out hunting kangaroos with him. Actually he just drives around the property, casually chatting whilst hanging out the door, firing a rifle at anything that isn't cattle.

the pesky Kangaroo......I think its the "casualness" that you describe so succinctly that is so hard to deal with...but, that is the mindset of stockranchers (or graziers in your case). Kangaroos dont have any natural predatory enemies over there do they? Actually, aside from the Dingo, is there any? Dingos are shot as well are they not?

[amber]

thank goodness you are in the vehicle :eek: :laugh:

I agree, though, that a gunshot is probably the most effective way to kill a large animal. A chicken or other bird is a little different and perhaps the chopping block is the most humane. They can also pretty much all be gassed - but that is a litle risky as gas is toxic - though I am sure it has been improved, etc.
The only thing i don't think makes it as fair to kill an animal with a gun, theoretically, is the fact that you can shoot it from much farther away, and well, there's just no chance it could escape. ie, not as "fair of a fight". You don't have to use your wits and tracking skill as much to sneak up on it for just the right shot. But that point becomes a little moot with the fact that we do have guns, and if we are going to hunt animals, it makes it faster/less painful.

[strandinthewind]

the pesky Kangaroo......I think its the "casualness" that you describe so succinctly that is so hard to deal with...but, that is the mindset of stockranchers.


I think for those that do not do it or have never done it - it is horrifying. I can say after you have seen it done a million times as these people have - you just realize it has to be done. I am glad it aint me.

[Miss Vicky]

I think for those that do not do it or have never done it - it is horrifying. I can say after you have seen it done a million times as these people have - you just realize it has to be done. I am glad it aint me.

But then, it's all a matter of perspective. For vegetarians who wouldn't be eating the beef from these cattle, it doesn't have to be done. And thus go issues such as this, people see some things as right or necessary, others don't. No side will ever change the collective mind of the other side.

[dissention]

But then, it's all a matter of perspective. For vegetarians who wouldn't be eating the beef from these catte, it doesn't have to be done. And thus goes issues such as this, people see some things as right or necessary, others don't. No side will ever change the collective mind of the other side.

Exactly. :woohoo:

[strandinthewind]

But then, it's all a matter of perspective. For vegetarians who wouldn't be eating the beef from these catte, it doesn't have to be done. And thus goes issues such as this, people see some things as right or necessary, others don't. No side will ever change the collective mind of the other side.


I agree - Interstingly, Mary thinks plants feel the pain as well. I have mentioned this before in other threads, but I have friend that refuses to kill anything whether it be a plant or animal. They just wait until the fruit falls from the plant and then eat it. AND - they are not rail thin :laugh: So, yes, it is all about perspective :cool:

But, I still think people are hypocritical when they say they eat meat and then in the next breath question how someone could kill an animal - I mean someone killed that meat they are eating :shrug:

[amber]

Yeah the roos eat the *grass* (occasional stalks in red dirt) that are obviously vital for his livelihood.

And Jason, no one is really safe. He does like to aim rifles at his family members. Last time I saw him he grabbed a shotgun to kill a cat with cancer, only it was pitch black and he nearly shot my grandmother. He also gives rifles as presents to 6 year olds and tells them to go and shoot their sister.


For a grazier, that's what they are, pesky. I suppose that's what they do so it is casual, it's their job. Mind you in this case he'd casually drive around shooting Aboriginals so his concern for the creature does not even register.

As for gassing, I'm no expert but there would have to be more dangers with that method and so long as a bullet only costs.....whatever it costs, then there's no way that will happen.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Ah, the frontier spirit!!! :lol:

[strandinthewind]

. . . And Jason, no one is really safe. He does like to aim rifles at his family members. Last time I saw him he grabbed a shotgun to kill a cat with cancer, only it was pitch black and he nearly shot my grandmother. He also gives rifles as presents to 6 year olds and tells them to go and shoot their sister . . . .

We MUST have copious amounts of cocktails/alcohol/whatever one day - the stories that would flow as my family is bizarre as well :eek:

[dissention]

But, I still think people are hypocritical when they say they eat meat and then in the next breath question how someone could kill an animal - I mean someone killed that meat they are eating :shrug:

If that was some sort of backhanded slap in my general direction, it's just unfortunate for you that I don't eat meat anymore and know that not everyone will stop. It's called being realistic. ;)

[Miss Vicky]

I agree - Interstingly, Mary thinks plants feel the pain as well. I have mentioned this before in other threads, but I have friend that refuses to kill anything whether it be a plant or animal. They just wait until the fruit falls from the plant and then eat it. AND - they are not rail thin :laugh: So, yes, it is all about perspective :cool:

But, I still think people are hypocritical when they say they eat meat and then in the next breath question how someone could kill an animal - I mean someone killed that meat they are eating :shrug:

I agree about it being hypocritical. I don't eat meat, but I do eat eggs and dairy and am therefore indirectly contributing to the meat industry. Still, I can't abide by the killing of animals. I guess that makes me a hypocrit. :shrug:

On the subject of plants - I agree that they probably feel pain just as an animal does, but we have to eat something and given the choice between killing plants or animals, I choose plants. Besides that, with most plants you can eat part of the plant without killing the whole thing - like fruit, flowers, and some leaves. You can't really do that with animals - although if you wanted to be really gruesome you probably could.... but anyhoo.

[amber]

I agree about it being hypocritical. I don't eat meat, but I do eat eggs and dairy and am therefore indirectly contributing to the meat industry. Still, I can't abide by the killing of animals. I guess that makes me a hypocrit. :shrug:

On the subject of plants - I agree that they probably feel pain just as an animal does, but we have to eat something and given the choice between killing plants or animals, I choose plants. Besides that, with most plants you can eat part of the plant without killing the whole thing - like fruit, flowers, and some leaves. You can't really do that with animals - although if you wanted to be really gruesome you probably could.... but anyhoo.
If you only ate eggs, butter, etc, they don't need to kill an animal to get that. And plants are a natural part of the food chain, everything eats plants, and to compensate, they put out mass quantities of pollen, seeds, etc. :shrug: In theory, about plants, the whole thing would be balanced.

[strandinthewind]

If that was some sort of backhanded slap in my general direction, it's just unfortunate for you that I don't eat meat anymore. ;)

Well, it was not directed at you per se - but you change your mind about eating meat seemingly often - do I have to pull up the Gen. Tso threads :laugh: - so who do you think killed that meat you ate? I get that, inter alia, is why you do not eat it anymore, but it did not stop you then? Thus, hypocrisy. And - I say that not in a hateful way - just factually. We are all human and thus hypocrites as far as I am concerned :cool:

[dissention]

Well, it was not directed at you per se - but you change your mind about eating meat seemingly often - do I have to pull up the Gen. Tso threads :laugh: - so who do you think killed that meat you ate? I get that, inter alia, is why you do not eat it anymore, but it did not stop you then? Thus, hypocrisy. And - I say that not in a hateful way - just factually. We are all human and thus hypocrites as far as I am concerned :cool:

Pull out those threads, dear, I haven't eaten meat since November (the last time I had General Tso's), if memory serves correctly, and don't plan to in the near future. :wavey:

How easy it must be for you to point to someone's past behaviors and call them hypocrites even after they change those behaviors. You made a point of calling me out as a past Democrat last night, just as you're now making a point of calling me out as a past meat eater. Unfortunately, I fail to see the relevance of both.

[irishgrl]

I agree - Interstingly, Mary thinks plants feel the pain as well. I have mentioned this before in other threads, but I have friend that refuses to kill anything whether it be a plant or animal. They just wait until the fruit falls from the plant and then eat it. AND - they are not rail thin :laugh: So, yes, it is all about perspective :cool:

But, I still think people are hypocritical when they say they eat meat and then in the next breath question how someone could kill an animal - I mean someone killed that meat they are eating :shrug:

I remember in the 70's there were studies done on plants related to music, pain etcetera which showed plants were responsive (some would say sentient!) George Washington Carver trained roses to grow without any thorns! There's more to that but I think thats a topic for another thread..

as for your other comment, (I dont know if you were including me or not) I dont question how someone could kill an animal, I question WHICH animals are killed. And, as I said, we DO have domesticated meat animals whose purpose is strictly food, their end is preordained from the minute they were born. These animals are separate in MY mind from the animals that roam as free as God made them...

[strandinthewind]

. . . although if you wanted to be really gruesome you probably could.... but anyhoo.

which brings to mind one of my fav. cartoons ever - it is a couple sitting at a table in a rest. and the sign on the wall the waiter is pointing to says "SPECIAL - FROG'S LEGS" - then the guy is smiling in approval of the special and lady is instead looking at the kitchen door when a frof with crutches and no legs is coming out of :eek: :laugh: :laugh: I think it was a Gary Larson one.

[amber]

I remember in the 70's there were studies done on plants related to music, pain etcetera which showed plants were responsive (some would say sentient!) George Washington Carver trained roses to grow without any thorns! There's more to that but I think thats a topic for another thread..

as for your other comment, (I dont know if you were including me or not) I dont question how someone could kill an animal, I question WHICH animals are killed. And, as I said, we DO have domesticated meat animals whose purpose is strictly food, their end is preordained from the minute they were born. These animals are separate in MY mind from the animals that roam as free as God made them...
ummmm...if we didn't domesticate those animals for meat, wouldn't they roam free as god made them, too? Only in less quantities, and only in the environments that are suited to them and can sustain them?

[Miss Vicky]

If you only ate eggs, butter, etc, they don't need to kill an animal to get that. And plants are a natural part of the food chain, everything eats plants, and to compensate, they put out mass quantities of pollen, seeds, etc. :shrug: In theory, about plants, the whole thing would be balanced.

No, the animal isn't killed to make the dairy products or to collect the eggs, but once the cows stop producing milk and the hens stop laying - to the slaughterhouse they go.
Also, to produce the milk, cows must be bred regularly. And since very few bulls are needed to keep all those cows pregnant, the male calves end up becoming veal. The female calves are raised to become dairy cows, where they'll be bred, have calves (the females will become dairy cows and eventually be slaughtered, the males will become veal), eventually be unable to make anymore milk, and be slaughtered like their mothers before them.
So being a lacto-ovo vegetarian still supports the meat industry, but not quite to the same degree as people who incorporate meat into their diets.
Maybe one day I'll be vegan, but first they need to make soy milk that tastes good!

[dissention]

I remember in the 70's there were studies done on plants related to music, pain etcetera which showed plants were responsive (some would say sentient!) George Washington Carver trained roses to grow without any thorns! There's more to that but I think thats a topic for another thread..

Which is why I brought that up in Brown Eyes thread regarding those who abort babies being murderers. I pointed out that plants were living and repsonsive things, and that I had failed to water one of mine and it died, so I could be called a murderer for that. Yet I was practically called insane. :laugh:

[amber]

Oh we will dear. Collapsing in the gutters of Sydney, we'll have plenty of time for stories as we see the night away in the lock-up.
Gosh, now that you describe it that way, you're making me very jealous!! :laugh: And, hey, I have family stories to beat the band! :lol:
JK, you two can get smashed by yourselves if you want.... :laugh: After all, you are betrothed. Who am i too make a third wheel?

[strandinthewind]

Pull out those threads, dear, I haven't eaten meat since November (the last time I had General Tso's), if memory serves correctly, and don't plan to in the near future. :wavey:

How easy it must be for you to point to someone's past behaviors and call them hypocrites even after they change those behaviors. You made a point of calling me out as a past Democrat last night, just as you're now making a point of calling me out as a past meat eater. Unfortunately, I fail to see the relevance of both.


I did last night because as I explained then, the relevance was you said you were not a Democrat which I took to mean you were saying you never were. Thus, as I explained I thought the statement "I am no longer a D" would have been a clearer statement. I then thanked you for clarifying for me what I mistakenly inferred. Again, :sorry: for incorrectly inferring

As for eating meat, I glad you quit three or four months ago - good for you. Again, I think I said you had stopped recently :shrug: Thus, how did I misstate anything?

[amber]

No, the animal isn't killed to make the dairy products or to collect the eggs, but once the cows stop producing milk and the hens stop laying - to the slaughterhouse they go.
Also, to produce the milk, cows must be bred regularly. And since very few bulls are needed to keep all those cows pregnant, the male calves end up becoming veal. The female calves are raised to become dairy cows, where they'll be bred, have calves (the females will become dairy cows and eventually be slaughtered, the males will become veal), eventually be unable to make anymore milk, and be slaughtered like their mothers before them.
So being a lacto-ovo vegetarian still supports the meat industry, but not quite to the same degree as people who incorporate meat into their diets.
Maybe one day I'll be vegan, but first they need to make soy milk that tastes good!
yes, true. I was vegan before, but i love soymilk!!! so much! (vitasoy, regular flavor. it practically tastes like a shake to me) and soy butter is good, too. Plus, milk has tryptophan, which makes me tired, anyways. :shrug: Probably if you drank it for awhile, you'd get used to it. That's how most things are. :nod:

[strandinthewind]

Oh we will dear. Collapsing in the gutters of Sydney, we'll have plenty of time for stories as we see the night away in the lock-up.

Lord Child - you aint telling nothin but the truth :laugh:

[amber]

which brings to mind one of my fav. cartoons ever - it is a couple sitting at a table in a rest. and the sign on the wall the waiter is pointing to says "SPECIAL - FROG'S LEGS" - then the guy is smiling in approval of the special and lady is instead looking at the kitchen door when a frof with crutches and no legs is coming out of :eek: :laugh: :laugh: I think it was a Gary Larson one.
:laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol:
Yep, it was. Oh, Gary, I miss you so!

[irishgrl]

ummmm...if we didn't domesticate those animals for meat, wouldn't they roam free as god made them, too? Only in less quantities, and only in the environments that are suited to them and can sustain them? of course, same as the dog or the cat or the chicken.....
and we would still be living in caves had it not been for the wheel, fire, domesticated grains (the wild versions would feed no one) domesticated livestock, and on and on. Its conceivable we might all have to face a drastically different world if Global warming continues to proceed at its current rapid pace, (and all signs point to "yes" btw) and all that we know and do now will become obsolete...kind of like some old Star Trek episodes where primative peoples are surrounded by advanced computers and know absolutely nothing about them....

[dissention]

As for eating meat, I glad you quit three or four months ago - good for you. Again, I think I said you had stopped recently :shrug: Thus, how did I misstate anything?

I thought you comment that I "change [my] mind about eating meat seemingly often" was rather misleading regarding how I feel about eating meat. If you can call eating meat for years and then stopping "changing my mind seemingly often," I don't know what to say. I have also never said that others should stop eating meat (save KFC) because that's unrealistic, as much as I would love for it to happen. :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

:laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol:
Yep, it was. Oh, Gary, I miss you so!

OMG - I am SOOOOOO glad someone else has seen it!!!!!!

I had it blown up and framed in my kitchen for YEARS - but it finally just fell apart :mad:

[GateandGarden]

I just wrote a really long post but lost it somehow. That sucks. Well, the general idea is that I had never seen a potato bug before and was horrified by Amber's story of the one in her shoe. This compelled me to do a google search, and I found Potatobugs.com (http://www.potatobugs.com) It's pretty funny. Still, I hate, hate, hate walking sticks. I don't think I could ever hate potato bugs as much as I hate them. :laugh:

[amber]

of course, same as the dog or the cat or the chicken.....
and we would still be living in caves had it not been for the wheel, fire, domesticated grains (the wild versions would feed no one) domesticated livestock, and on and on. Its conceivable we might all have to face a drastically different world if Global warming continues to proceed at its current rapid pace, (and all signs point to "yes" btw) and all that we know and do now will become obsolete...kind of like some old Star Trek episodes where primative peoples are surrounded by advanced computers and know absolutely nothing about them....
I'm not sure i'm getting your point. Or maybe i am, but don't really have anything to say about it. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

I thought you comment that I "change [my] mind about eating meat seemingly often" was rather misleading regarding how I feel about eating meat. If you can call eating meat for years and then stopping "changing my mind seemingly often," I don't know what to say. I have also never said that others should stop eating meat (save KFC) because that's unrealistic, as much as I would love for it to happen. :wavey:

We have had this conversation before and over the years and I remember you saying in that time that you were trying to be a vegetarian - so that is why I used "seemingly" - I did not use that word as a dig - I was saying you seemed to be always trying, etc. So, once again, I am glad you have stopped after trying to for so long.

[amber]

OMG - I am SOOOOOO glad someone else has seen it!!!!!!

I had it blown up and framed in my kitchen for YEARS - but it finally just fell apart :mad:
It's a good one, as are they all. We were what is called "a Far Side family" :nod: I grew up on it, we had all the books, it was our fave, etc. My dad, in fact, just got me a far side book for Xmas. It had some "never before published in a book" ones, I was stoked. What about the ones where the driving deers have a human strapped to the front of their car? Bwah!!!!! :laugh:

[amber]

I just wrote a really long post but lost it somehow. That sucks. Well, the general idea is that I had never seen a potato bug before and was horrified by Amber's story of the one in her shoe. This compelled me to do a google search, and I found Potatobugs.com (http://www.potatobugs.com) It's pretty funny. Still, I hate, hate, hate walking sticks. I don't think I could ever hate potato bugs as much as I hate them. :laugh:
*shudder* that website freaked me out! And yes, walking sticks gross me out, too, as do praying mantises. (manti?). I love watching shows about bugs, but real bugs are just the bane of my existence.

[strandinthewind]

It's a good one, as are they all. We were what is called "a Far Side family" :nod: I grew up on it, we had all the books, it was our fave, etc. My dad, in fact, just got me a far side book for Xmas. It had some "never before published in a book" ones, I was stoked. What about the ones where the driving deers have a human strapped to the front of their car? Bwah!!!!! :laugh:

or the fat lady posting the "Lost Dog" sign and the dog is stuck in her but crack :laugh: :eek: :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

or the fat lady posting the "Lost Dog" sign and the dog is stuck in her but crack :laugh: :eek: :laugh:Classic! :nod:

[GateandGarden]

*shudder* that website freaked me out! And yes, walking sticks gross me out, too, as do praying mantises. (manti?). I love watching shows about bugs, but real bugs are just the bane of my existence.I love praying mantises. I love most insects. I've always been an insect person. Have to touch, have to bring inside, scare the hell out of everyone else. :lol: But there are some I can't stand, and the walking stick is on the top of my list. I'm telling you, if you bother those things, they can spray this awful stuff at you, and right in your eye if you're in the right place. And that stings for hours. Also, they're always screwing. I never see just one walking stick. I can hardly find other lesbians but the walking sticks are constantly doing it on the front porch. They can all go to hell. Bastards. :mad:

[amber]

or the fat lady posting the "Lost Dog" sign and the dog is stuck in her but crack :laugh: :eek: :laugh:
:laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol:
Omigaw, I forgot that one! but really, I suppose we could go on and on. To me, there is hardly a far side that is not funny!
Me and my sixth grade friend would always bust up about one with a poodle baying on the edge of a cliff. I forgot the whole gist, but.... :lol: It was something like..."suddenly, Fifi realized that..." :laugh:

[Miss Vicky]

I love praying mantises. I love most insects. I've always been an insect person. Have to touch, have to bring inside, scare the hell out of everyone else. :lol: But there are some I can't stand, and the walking stick is on the top of my list. I'm telling you, if you bother those things, they can spray this awful stuff at you, and right in your eye if you're in the right place. And that stings for hours. Also, they're always screwing. I never see just one walking stick. I can hardly find other lesbians but the walking sticks are constantly doing it on the front porch. They can all go to hell. Bastards. :mad:


Never seen a walking stick. Except in pictures. Love mantises though. I was terrified of them as a child, especially the babies... man are they quick! But I finally forced myself to get over the fear and held an adult once. Very quickly went from terror to fascination. Now I think they're adorable! :]

[amber]

I love praying mantises. I love most insects. I've always been an insect person. Have to touch, have to bring inside, scare the hell out of everyone else. :lol: But there are some I can't stand, and the walking stick is on the top of my list. I'm telling you, if you bother those things, they can spray this awful stuff at you, and right in your eye if you're in the right place. And that stings for hours. Also, they're always screwing. I never see just one walking stick. I can hardly find other lesbians but the walking sticks are constantly doing it on the front porch. They can all go to hell. Bastards. :mad:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I've never actually seen a walking stick in real life, I was thinking of the bugs that look like leaves, and also, therefore, a bit like praying mantises. That's cool you're not weirded out by bugs, but I can never go there. It's strange, too, because i've literally probably watched hundred's of shows about bugs, and familiarity is supposed to dissuade fear, but... :shrug: I remember one time when i was 3, my mom was going to softball practice, and we had to walk across a massive field of spring clover/bees. She just walked across, but i looked down and became frozen, could not move, and started crying as my mom was about 50 yards ahead. My mom was like "Come ON, AMBER, just walk through! Geesh!!" and i rarely disobeyed her, especially when that tone came into play, but i was literally petrified frozen... :lol: heh, she eventually walked back and got me, I think...

[GateandGarden]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I've never actually seen a walking stick in real life, I was thinking of the bugs that look like leaves, and also, therefore, a bit like praying mantises. That's cool you're not weirded out by bugs, but I can never go there. It's strange, too, because i've literally probably watched hundred's of shows about bugs, and familiarity is supposed to dissuade fear, but... :shrug: I remember one time when i was 3, my mom was going to softball practice, and we had to walk across a massive field of spring clover/bees. She just walked across, but i looked down and became frozen, could not move, and started crying as my mom was about 50 yards ahead. My mom was like "Come ON, AMBER, just walk through! Geesh!!" and i rarely disobeyed her, especially when that tone came into play, but i was literally petrified frozen... :lol: heh, she eventually walked back and got me, I think...Yeah, unfortunately, I think walking sticks are kind of similar to praying mantises. (See "spawnofsatan" photo). But the worst a praying mantis has ever done is bite me, and I asked for it. Besides, they look so wonderfully pensive and sophisticated. Anyway, I can see how the field of bees is scary, especially when you're young. I always just walked through, but I really don't know how I did it without getting stung. Oh, another useless bug I forgot about and have no sympathy for--horse flies. Those things are scary.

[GateandGarden]

Never seen a walking stick. Except in pictures. Love mantises though. I was terrified of them as a child, especially the babies... man are they quick! But I finally forced myself to get over the fear and held an adult once. Very quickly went from terror to fascination. Now I think they're adorable! :]I couldn't agree more! I remember the first time I saw a praying mantis I just didn't know what to think! They're crazy! But, strange as it is, I ran into a huge adult one and handed it a small bug to eat. I had it in my hand and the mantis looked at me and then look at my hand and then took the bug out and ate it like a pig. It was so funny. :laugh:

[amber]

Yeah, unfortunately, I think walking sticks are kind of similar to praying mantises. (See "spawnofsatan" photo). But the worst a praying mantis has ever done is bite me, and I asked for it. Besides, they look so wonderfully pensive and sophisticated. Anyway, I can see how the field of bees is scary, especially when you're young. I always just walked through, but I really don't know how I did it without getting stung. Oh, another useless bug I forgot about and have no sympathy for--horse flies. Those things are scary.

Omigod, at the stick bug, *shudder*...Also, one time when i was in 3rd grade, a wasp landed on my lunch, and i called the yard duty over (who apparently hated me) cause i was scared, and she flicked it right onto my arm, and it stung me!!!! I swear, she aimed for my arm. :laugh: And another time, when i was 3, I remember I was standing on our porch in my rubbers, and all of a sudden, millions of ants started crawling up my shoes!!! and getting on me!!! *shudder*. Maybe i've just had bad experiences with bugs. The one bug I'm not as scared of is Spiders. Sure, the ones from Australia that are deadly freak me out, but in general spiders are my "best bug" I think i like them, too, cause they eat other bugs. :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

Omigod, at the stick bug, *shudder*...Also, one time when i was in 3rd grade, a wasp landed on my lunch, and i called the yard duty over (who apparently hated me) cause i was scared, and she flicked it right onto my arm, and it stung me!!!! I swear, she aimed for my arm. :laugh: And another time, when i was 3, I remember I was standing on our porch in my rubbers, and all of a sudden, millions of ants started crawling up my shoes!!! and getting on me!!! *shudder*. Maybe i've just had bad experiences with bugs. The one bug I'm not as scared of is Spiders. Sure, the ones from Australia that are deadly freak me out, but in general spiders are my "best bug" I think i like them, too, cause they eat other bugs. :laugh:Wasp stings suck, huh? The one time I got stung by one I had stepped on it when I was barefoot walking through the front yard. (Dumb move, huh?) And I also hate it when ants all of a sudden appear all over me. I never see them coming. I've never been bitten by fire ants but I hear that's pretty bad, so I hope I'm spared that. I agree that spiders are cool. Sometimes the large ones scare me but I just don't bother them. There was one in my dorm room about a week ago, and he was pretty big. I was just going to let him do what he wanted because I couldn't see any sense in bothering him. But he was crawling all over my walls. And he got on my Stevie wall. He proceeded to crawl over every picture of Stevie I had. It was like it was deliberate. (The wall is completely covered with pictures of her, too). Then he stopped at one of those pictures in which her breasts are practically hanging out of whatever she's wearing. I was like, Oh please. Now he's groping Stevie! I picked him up and put him outside.

I still bring bugs into my classes sometimes, like I did in elementary school. I've yet to grow up. It freaks people out when I'm in a class with tables rather than desks and there are about six of us to a table and I come in and promptly put a praying mantis down on the table. :laugh: A few years ago, my teacher asked me to take it outside because it was freaking her out. One time I had a really cute tent caterpillar in English class and I named it after my English teacher. When I announced to her that it had the same name she did, she was just a little disturbed. :laugh:

[amber]

Wasp stings suck, huh? The one time I got stung by one I had stepped on it when I was barefoot walking through the front yard. (Dumb move, huh?) And I also hate it when ants all of a sudden appear all over me. I never see them coming. I've never been bitten by fire ants but I hear that's pretty bad, so I hope I'm spared that. I agree that spiders are cool. Sometimes the large ones scare me but I just don't bother them. There was one in my dorm room about a week ago, and he was pretty big. I was just going to let him do what he wanted because I couldn't see any sense in bothering him. But he was crawling all over my walls. And he got on my Stevie wall. He proceeded to crawl over every picture of Stevie I had. It was like it was deliberate. (The wall is completely covered with pictures of her, too). Then he stopped at one of those pictures in which her breasts are practically hanging out of whatever she's wearing. I was like, Oh please. Now he's groping Stevie! I picked him up and put him outside.

I still bring bugs into my classes sometimes, like I did in elementary school. I've yet to grow up. It freaks people out when I'm in a class with tables rather than desks and there are about six of us to a table and I come in and promptly put a praying mantis down on the table. :laugh: A few years ago, my teacher asked me to take it outside because it was freaking her out. One time I had a really cute tent caterpillar in English class and I named it after my English teacher. When I announced to her that it had the same name she did, she was just a little disturbed. :laugh:

:laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol:
Omigod, your stories tonight are hella funny!!!! "The Bug That Molested Stevie!" :laugh: That should be a movie.
I was stung on the foot by bees twice, on my foot, it hurt, but not that bad. I submit that my fear of bugs is more about the creepy way they look than anything more rational. I'm glad you bring bugs to class, it is cool. And you made me remember that i loved caterpillars as a child! :nod: I'm really glad some people like bugs, and i wish i could, but i just can't. Even with how bleeding heart animal lover that i am, it just can't happen. Though I think they are fascinating, and understand their value in the scheme of things, and all that.

[irishgrl]

I love praying mantises. I love most insects. I've always been an insect person. Have to touch, have to bring inside, scare the hell out of everyone else. :lol: But there are some I can't stand, and the walking stick is on the top of my list. I'm telling you, if you bother those things, they can spray this awful stuff at you, and right in your eye if you're in the right place. And that stings for hours. Also, they're always screwing. I never see just one walking stick. I can hardly find other lesbians but the walking sticks are constantly doing it on the front porch. They can all go to hell. Bastards. :mad:


where the heck do you LIVE? I dont think Ive seen but maybe ONE walking stick in my life...nope for me the potato bug and the scorpion are two of God's UGLIEST critters ever:nod: Oh and Hillary? thanks a HEAP for posting that Potatobug.com website, I cant tell you the memories that brought back...btw, Ive seen bigger ones than that specimen on the front page. Once, in a place I was renting (a mother-in-law place under the main home) The landlady had chickens, and I saw two chickens fighting over a potatobug one had found. they kept stealing it from each other and I think they ended up tearing it in half....chickens are ruthless! chickens are also very funny, especially the bard rocks, they are a HOOT!

[The Catdancer]

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Joan_Allen.php

She's a D......

[GateandGarden]

Omigod, your stories tonight are hella funny!!!! "The Bug That Molested Stevie!" :laugh: That should be a movie.
I was stung on the foot by bees twice, on my foot, it hurt, but not that bad. I submit that my fear of bugs is more about the creepy way they look than anything more rational. I'm glad you bring bugs to class, it is cool. And you made me remember that i loved caterpillars as a child! :nod: I'm really glad some people like bugs, and i wish i could, but i just can't. Even with how bleeding heart animal lover that i am, it just can't happen. Though I think they are fascinating, and understand their value in the scheme of things, and all that.I love caterpillars. My favorite is one that I've never run into, actually. It just looks cute in pictures and I love it. It's the Woolly Bear caterpillar. It looks soft and fluffy, though I know it's probably not particularly fluffy. Yeah, and The Bug that Molested Stevie could make for a really funny (and awful) low budget film. I'm glad you liked my stories.

where the heck do you LIVE? I dont think Ive seen but maybe ONE walking stick in my life...nope for me the potato bug and the scorpion are two of God's UGLIEST critters ever Oh and Hillary? thanks a HEAP for posting that Potatobug.com website, I cant tell you the memories that brought back...btw, Ive seen bigger ones than that specimen on the front page. Once, in a place I was renting (a mother-in-law place under the main home) The landlady had chickens, and I saw two chickens fighting over a potatobug one had found. they kept stealing it from each other and I think they ended up tearing it in half....chickens are ruthless! chickens are also very funny, especially the bard rocks, they are a HOOT!I think the walking stick (or stick insects, as some call them) are rampant in Louisiana. I'm in a suburban area and there are many, but I bet there are even more in rural areas. Ugh. Y'all don't have too many in Cali? Glad you liked the Potato Bug website. And thanks for the chicken story; I had no idea chickens were that entertaining. I don't think I've ever spent any time around any. Man, I need some pets of some kind. I wish my parents weren't so opposed and the university didn't forbid it in the dorms. :rolleyes: Oh, and I meant to say--I've only seen a scorpion once, and it kind of scared me. I watched it walk around and that was interesting because it was new to me, but I was really scared to do anything else because I was afraid it would pinch and/or sting me! And I do admit that it wasn't all that attractive, either. :laugh:

Everyone except for Hillary would run away screaming from the tropical parts of Australia, that being where I live. I share my home with far too many insects (far too many parents aswell). I usually just walk around them but the cockroach that crawled over me in bed was met with a scream and a severe beating. And of course we're home to the deadliest spider in the world. This place was not meant for Europeans.Oh, I would love to see some foreign bugs! :laugh: I've been looking for field guides on Amazon for bugs on other continents, and so far I've only found one for African insects. I'd love just to see the pictures because I hear they're so different other places, and significantly bigger. I get all excited about big bugs, especially those monstrous dragonflies and full-grown cicadas. :] Australia has cool bugs, too? That would be a great field guide to find somewhere. I would be screaming about the roach, too. Those are never pleasant. I would be wise and stay away from the deadly spider, too. :nod: Do y'all have gigantic stink bugs in Australia? I was young when I saw one for the first time, and I had not yet learned that I can't touch every insect or arachnid I see. I was with my Dad and I picked it up and held it and then thought to ask, "What's this called?" He said, "A stink bug," and then I put it down and noticed that my hand smelled pretty bad. :laugh: Okay, so I should quit now, since I could go on forever about bugs. :o

[GateandGarden]

Wow, you must be the first person I've ever known to love bugs. Australia has some hideous bugs and they always seem to be either on you or approaching you. They always seem to be gigantic, enlarged versions of the more tolerable bugs aswell. This is further north where I am and I gather it's not quite like that down south.Sounds interesting. Big bugs rock. :nod: We should trade places sometime. I'll attempt to deal with your parents for awhile and play with the bugs while you put up with all backwoods imbeciles around here, the outrageous sizes of foods and drinks at restaurants, and the unhealthy selections of everything at the supermarkets. :nod: What do ya think? :)

[The Tower]

What a long ass thread.... look at everything I miss when I have a bridge game weekend.

1) I think all guns should be banned, except for law enforcement and military personnel.

2) I think all hunting should be banned. Yes, I am a "big-city" person, but I can dream can't I?

3) I wish the green party would win more elections.

4) Potato bugs and praying mantises are disgusting.

5) Amber, you used "irregardless" incorrectly.

6) Most of the "republican celebrities" listed at the beginning of this thread are idiots, so it doesn't surprise me that they are republican.

7) Four months ago, Dissention was a meat-eating, Democratic heterosexual. Now he's a vegetarian, Green homosexual. Change is good.

8) I would like to join Lux and Jason in the gutter.

9) If all the "conservationist" republicans hadn't killed off all the wolves, bears, coyotes and mountain lions we wouldn't be having a deer overpopulaton.

10) I readily admit that I am a hypocrite for being against hunting all the while eating meat purchased from a supermarket. Hey, nobody's perfect.

11) Anyone who thinks that their time on earth is "passing through" should just get on with it and pass over to the other side already and leave this place for those of us who consider it our home and want to take care of it.

12) Venison is really gamey and I don't like its taste.

13) I think Cabaret is really hammy and too over the top.

[dissention]

What a long ass thread.... look at everything I miss when I have a bridge game weekend.

1) I think all guns should be banned, except for law enforcement and military personnel.

2) I think all hunting should be banned. Yes, I am a "big-city" person, but I can dream can't I?

3) I wish the green party would win more elections.

4) Potato bugs and praying mantises are disgusting.

5) Amber, you used "irregardless" incorrectly.

6) Most of the "republican celebrities" listed at the beginning of this thread are idiots, so it doesn't surprise me that they are republican.

7) Four months ago, Dissention was a meat-eating, Democratic heterosexual. Now he's a vegetarian, Green homosexual. Change is good.

8) I would like to join Lux and Jason in the gutter.

9) If all the "conservationist" republicans hadn't killed off all the wolves, bears, coyotes and mountain lions we wouldn't be having a deer overpopulaton.

10) I readily admit that I am a hypocrite for being against hunting all the while eating meat purchased from a supermarket. Hey, nobody's perfect.

11) Anyone who thinks that their time on earth is "passing through" should just get on with it and pass over to the other side already and leave this place for those of us who consider it our home and want to take care of it.

12) Venison is really gamey and I don't like its taste.

13) I think Cabaret is really hammy and too over the top.

:shocked: Ho****.

I wish I could have your chiiiiiiiiiiiild. I busted my gut wide open reading that sucker.

[GateandGarden]

:shocked: Ho****.

I wish I could have your chiiiiiiiiiiiild. I busted my gut wide open reading that sucker.I know! I really enjoyed his post, too. And it's a shame two guys can't exactly have a child together the natural way, but that's another thread. :laugh:

[amber]

5) Amber, you used "irregardless" incorrectly.

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Thanks, Towie.

[amber]

I love caterpillars. My favorite is one that I've never run into, actually. It just looks cute in pictures and I love it. It's the Woolly Bear caterpillar. It looks soft and fluffy, though I know it's probably not particularly fluffy. Yeah, and The Bug that Molested Stevie could make for a really funny (and awful) low budget film. I'm glad you liked my stories.

I think the walking stick (or stick insects, as some call them) are rampant in Louisiana. I'm in a suburban area and there are many, but I bet there are even more in rural areas. Ugh. Y'all don't have too many in Cali? Glad you liked the Potato Bug website. And thanks for the chicken story; I had no idea chickens were that entertaining. I don't think I've ever spent any time around any. Man, I need some pets of some kind. I wish my parents weren't so opposed and the university didn't forbid it in the dorms. :rolleyes: Oh, and I meant to say--I've only seen a scorpion once, and it kind of scared me. I watched it walk around and that was interesting because it was new to me, but I was really scared to do anything else because I was afraid it would pinch and/or sting me! And I do admit that it wasn't all that attractive, either. :laugh:

Oh, I would love to see some foreign bugs! :laugh: I've been looking for field guides on Amazon for bugs on other continents, and so far I've only found one for African insects. I'd love just to see the pictures because I hear they're so different other places, and significantly bigger. I get all excited about big bugs, especially those monstrous dragonflies and full-grown cicadas. :] Australia has cool bugs, too? That would be a great field guide to find somewhere. I would be screaming about the roach, too. Those are never pleasant. I would be wise and stay away from the deadly spider, too. :nod: Do y'all have gigantic stink bugs in Australia? I was young when I saw one for the first time, and I had not yet learned that I can't touch every insect or arachnid I see. I was with my Dad and I picked it up and held it and then thought to ask, "What's this called?" He said, "A stink bug," and then I put it down and noticed that my hand smelled pretty bad. :laugh: Okay, so I should quit now, since I could go on forever about bugs. :o
Just don't forget, dear, the Australia has at least 2 kinds of common spiders that live nicely among humans, where the bite will kill you if you don't get the anti venom, or whatever, within a half hour. Enjoy! :) :wavey:

[dissention]

I know! I really enjoyed his post, too. And it's a shame two guys can't exactly have a child together the natural way, but that's another thread. :laugh:


Could you imagine me as a female? If you think I'm catty now, wait until I have my period. ;)

[irishgrl]

Could you imagine me as a female? If you think I'm catty now, wait until I have my period. ;)

but I bet you'd leave the seat DOWN and put toilet paper on correctly!

after all, its the LITTLE things in life that matter! :]
and this:
11) Anyone who thinks that their time on earth is "passing through" should just get on with it and pass over to the other side already and leave this place for those of us who consider it our home and want to take care of it.
is PRICELESS!

[amber]

I could never subject anyone to my parents. Other than that, it would be a pleasure.


Yes they're just knocking us off left, right and centre. Our 20 million has nothing to do with population control, we're just being consumed by wildlife. You'd better watch out for those giant kangaroos that leap by at night snatching children. Then there's the Drop Bears.
Um, are you snarking? :confused: I'm sorry, I watched a show on the deadly creatures that live in Australia, it freaked my sh** out. It showed a funnel web, I think, just cruising around under water of this pool some kids were swimming in, and this other kind that lives all around the dark crevices of people's homes. Oh, and don't even get me started on the deadly snakes. :laugh: I mean, I know most people in the country are not victims, and i'm sure everyone is fine and all, but it still scared the cr** outta me. Oh, and they showed this part of the ocean where they have to put jellyfish nets, cause the jellyfish venom is extremely poisonous, and at some parts of the year there's bazillions of them, and people get stung.

[amber]

Snarky? No, just sarcastic. Yeah we have all those creatures but we survive. I've had friends bitten by Redback spiders and they're just fine, but most people don't know anyone who's been bitten by such a thing. At some particular beaches the jellyfish are everywhere, I mean they're just crowded with them. But it's quite simple, you just don't swim at those ones. I've seen about 3 snakes in the wild. Two in the rainforest and one way out west where no one lives. It's not like you see them on the streets.

Basically it's like us when we are told that you guys have guns, or laws that allow you to have guns, combined with figures of deaths caused by these guns. To us that is freakin scary, the rate is ridiculously high and since nobody here has them, even the thought of one being in a house is scary. It's like us thinking that if you walked down the street over there you'll get shot at. In fact it's not even like that. There's been the odd person taken by a shark or a croocodile but they've made the front news nation-wide. I'm sure there's a few kids who have been killed by a venom of sorts but this is very rare, much more rare. That comparison isn't even fair because I remember my first day in LA and being terrified because the news was full of gun-related crimes. What the f*ck? There aren't gun-related crimes down here. Well there are but they're criminals who've stolen them and they're very rare. I'll stick with the knowledge that there's deadly snakes way out in the outback.
ok. :shrug:

[irishgrl]

It's like us thinking that if you walked down the street over there you'll get shot at. In fact it's not even like that.

Id venture to say that in parts of Amber's hometown (which is where I was born btw) you dont dare wear the wrong colors or be walking the streets after dark if you dont live there (or maybe even if you do...) or drive the wrong kind of car...
What with Drive-bys and gang wars and robberies and drug related crime, I think Lux is prob far safer with the world's deadliest spider, as scary as that sounds. Now if you could just get those pesky roos under control! (of course, I am joking about the Kangaroos, I dont live with them and dont see them as anything other than the beautiful unique animals that they are) :o

anyway, I think what I am trying to say is we all adapt to where we are and its the strange, the unfamiliar that scares us... :shocked:

[amber]

Id venture to say that in parts of Amber's hometown (which is where I was born btw) you dont dare wear the wrong colors or be walking the streets after dark if you dont live there (or maybe even if you do...) or drive the wrong kind of car...
What with Drive-bys and gang wars and robberies and drug related crime, I think Lux is prob far safer with the world's deadliest spider, as scary as that sounds. Now if you could just get those pesky roos under control! (of course, I am joking about the Kangaroos, I dont live with them and dont see them as anything other than the beautiful unique animals that they are) :o

anyway, I think what I am trying to say is we all adapt to where we are and its the strange, the unfamiliar that scares us... :shocked:
Not where i live, but way, way, way, way, way down the street, yeah. Oakland and SF do have high murder rates. It's mostly gang related, though. And no matter where anyone, ever, lives, including here, the bugs there will always scare the sh** outta me, familiar or not. :laugh:

[irishgrl]

Lux said I was right! :woohoo: All teasing aside, I think hoisting a brew is a much saner activity than gang warfare or drug related crime....this is what happens when you cram too many people in too small a space and destructive items are too easily come by. I dont like guns either (I think I've made that clear) and IMO they are best left to law enforcement or the military, certainly not in the casual hands of gangs or good old boys.

ps: this
Actually if you drive a night you'll probably hit one and if you drive out there at day you'll see a hundred squished roos before you see a live one.
is sad. :distress:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Just a random thought this morning as i go to class:


Do they even sell deer meat in stores? I've never seen it, but I haven't looked for it, either.

[irishgrl]

all teasing aside, I havent seen it either....I wonder, could you contact your department of animal control or the sheriff's office (or whoever it is that deals with deer that are hit by motorists) and see if they have any fresh (ewwww that sounds so bad, but Im trying to help here!) meat? Obviously, an animal that has been hit will bleed internally, but if you get them soon enough and butcher them before too much time has passed, you might be able to avoid the livery taste....my brother saw a deer get hit by a motorist and convinced the animal control to let him take it off their hands, and he took it home and dressed it and all that....personally, I think its all kinda icky but at least this way you arent going into the wild and taking a live animal, but rather one whose life was ended by accidental means...

and just let me say: THANX A HEAP CURTIS FOR SUCH A GRUESOME TOPIC!

[strandinthewind]

. . . I dont like guns either (I think I've made that clear) and IMO they are best left to law enforcement or the military, certainly not in the casual hands of gangs or good old boys.

or apparently John Hinckley or some other nutcase assasin who serves your intention :rolleyes:

[The Tower]

Just a random thought this morning as i go to class:


Do they even sell deer meat in stores? I've never seen it, but I haven't looked for it, either.

I have seen venison for sale here in So Cal at an upscale grocer called Bristol Farms. Other local markets regularly sell buffalo and ostrich meat, although from what I can tell both of those animals are now part of the meat industry nationwide.

[irishgrl]

or apparently John Hinckley or some other nutcase assasin who serves your intention :rolleyes:
Well, Jason, since you seem so intent on keeping that comment alive, I can certainly RECANT my former RECANTATION and let the original comment stand, or you can take me at my word when I said I regretted it and that murder was wrong....if you've accepted my apology then leave the cheap shots alone :shrug:

[Gwillaker]

Sammy Hagar? I think surely there's some mistake there? :eek:

[strandinthewind]

Well, Jason, since you seem so intent on keeping that comment alive, I can certainly RECANT my former RECANTATION and let the original comment stand, or you can take me at my word when I said I regretted it and that murder was wrong....if you've accepted my apology then leave the cheap shots alone :shrug:

Once again, you are just wrong - I am not keeping anything alive. A close inspection of the time of my post on this thread (11:45 a.m.) will reveal that it was made prior to your recanting in the other thread (1:53 p.m.)

But, you recanted nonetheless after my post in this thread and that is the end of that.

[irishgrl]

Once again, you are just wrong - I am not keeping anything alive. A close inspection of the time of my post on this thread (11:45 a.m.) will reveal that it was made prior to your recanting in the other thread (1:53 p.m.)

But, you recanted nonetheless after my post in this thread and that is the end of that.
If you think I am going to hop between threads to check the time you posted which comments, you're sadly mistaken. You've obviously forgotten the time lag between our states and a post that says 11:45 for you would equate to 2:45 for me. therefore, you could still conceiveably been nagging. How DO you ever find time to work when you are so busy heckling everyone? I cant possibly keep up with you dear boy! :rolleyes:

[strandinthewind]

If you think I am going to hop between threads to check the time you posted which comments, you're sadly mistaken. You've obviously forgotten the time lag between our states and a post that says 11:45 for you would equate to 2:45 for me. therefore, you could still conceiveably been nagging. How DO you ever find time to work when you are so busy heckling everyone? I cant possibly keep up with you dear boy! :rolleyes:


Blah blah blah - the time lag sets itself for each time zone. Just admit you were wrong :laugh:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Blah blah blah - the time lag sets itself for each time zone. Just admit you were wrong :laugh:

She will never do that! There is even no use in trying, sadly. :distress:

[irishgrl]

Blah blah blah - the time lag sets itself for each time zone. Just admit you were wrong :laugh:
it isnt working then because it is 2:17 as I write this and I see by the time stamp on your last post it was written at 9:29pm......so how can that be? and brown eyes is time stamped at 10:05. so Im thinking your timestamps do NOT automatically set themselves for each time zone...

edit: btw: I hit the submit button just to see what time the LEDGE says it is, and it says 10:16pm and yet I am writing this at 2:20............so, Im NOT wrong. btw, brown eyes, methinks you shouldnt be so smug. Ive yet to hear YOU say YOU were wrong either. I think Jesus said you must first address the beam in YOUR eye before you can worry about the mote in someone elses.

anyway Jason, my original point was you seem to get great joy in nagging people about lapses of one sort or another until you're called on it. First Diss now me. Its really too petty an occupation for someone of your caliber I should think. Unless Ive misjudged you completely

[strandinthewind]

it isnt working then because it is 2:17 as I write this and I see by the time stamp on your last post it was written at 9:29pm......so how can that be? and brown eyes is time stamped at 10:05. so Im thinking your timestamps do NOT automatically set themselves for each time zone...

edit: btw: I hit the submit button just to see what time the LEDGE says it is, and it says 10:16pm and yet I am writing this at 2:20............so, Im NOT wrong. btw, brown eyes, methinks you shouldnt be so smug. Ive yet to hear YOU say YOU were wrong either. I think Jesus said you must first address the beam in YOUR eye before you can worry about the mote in someone elses.

anyway Jason, my original point was you seem to get great joy in nagging people about lapses of one sort or another until you're called on it. First Diss now me. Its really too petty an occupation for someone of your caliber I should think. Unless Ive misjudged you completely

Well, I do not care what the hell your crazy computer says because I know when I posted that.

[strandinthewind]

But, since you called me out, here I come :wavey:

In the other thread, you gave your murder is wrong recant at 1:53 p.m.

I then asked you at 1:58 p.m. in that thread if that 1:53 p.m. statement was a recant.

In this thread, I posted the "or apparently John Hinckley or some other nutcase assasin who serves your intention" at 11:45 a.m.

Thus, according to the chonology on the Ledge, you had not recanted when I posted "or apparently John Hinckley or some other nutcase assasin who serves your intention."

[irishgrl]

Well, I do not care what the hell your crazy computer says because I know when I posted that.

I was at work when I wrote that post, on a pc. nothing wrong with those last time I checked. its in the Ledge program somewhere. something isnt set right in my preferences I think.

edit: I am at work and I just changed the time zone (for some reason I cant fix it at home) so now we'll see if its working...as I write this, it is approx 9:03.... oops, I forgot, its my desk clock which is 5 minutes fast (so I can leave early with a clear conscience har har!)

[irishgrl]

But, since you called me out, here I come :wavey:

In the other thread, you gave your murder is wrong recant at 1:53 p.m.

I then asked you at 1:58 p.m. in that thread if that 1:53 p.m. statement was a recant.

In this thread, I posted the "or apparently John Hinckley or some other nutcase assasin who serves your intention" at 11:45 a.m.

Thus, according to the chonology on the Ledge, you had not recanted when I posted "or apparently John Hinckley or some other nutcase assasin who serves your intention."

ok. I take your word for it. I still say that there is some weird stuff happening with the timestamps in the posts that I can see, and I dont think its computer related. Ive tried to adjust the time in the popdown window in my preferences, and I cant.

and my other point about you being a nag still stands :wavey:

and another thing: if you are going to reference a comment from another thread, be sure and indicate it is from another thread or I will assume its the same one. I post in so many I cant keep em straight half the time! :lol:

[strandinthewind]

ok. I take your word for it. I still say that there is some weird stuff happening with the timestamps in the posts that I can see, and I dont think its computer related. Ive tried to adjust the time in the popdown window in my preferences, and I cant.

and my other point about you being a nag still stands :wavey:

and another thing: if you are going to reference a comment from another thread, be sure and indicate it is from another thread or I will assume its the same one. I post in so many I cant keep em straight half the time! :lol:


I know - things get going pretty fast here :cool:

AND - lest the uninformed readers remain that way - Mary and I are united in out stances on:

The right to choose must remain

The Republicans are the worse thing that has ever happened to individual freedom in this great land of ours

Linds and Stevie are shagging as we speak :eek:

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

Tsk tsk. Your ignorance is astonishing.

:p :p :p :p :p

[irishgrl]

I know - things get going pretty fast here :cool:

AND - lest the uninformed readers remain that way - Mary and I are united in out stances on:

The right to choose must remain

The Republicans are the worse thing that has ever happened to individual freedom in this great land of ours

Linds and Stevie are shagging as we speak :eek:

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

AMEN BROTHER! and Jason is right, we agree on a good many things. Course, from time to time I guess its good to activate the old gray matter...can't have it stagnating now, can we? :lol: As for Stevie and Lindsey, I hope they are in the warm afterglow all tangled up, smoking a cigarette (or whatever) with a laptop, cruising the SnL/FM chat boards and laffing their butts off at the non-believers! :]

[Miss Vicky]

Linds and Stevie are shagging as we speak :eek:




I certainly hope not... oh the very thought. :eek:

Don't say such things. I had oatmeal with strawberry jam for breakfast, if that came up now it would NOT be pretty.

I prefer to think Lindsey's at home making another a baby. :nod: :)

[irishgrl]

I prefer to think Lindsey's at home making another a baby. :nod: :)
EWWWWWW :shocked:

[Miss Vicky]

EWWWWWW :shocked:


My thoughts exactly... only in regards to Stevie and Lindsey shagging... or Stevie shagging anyone... or Stevie naked... or just Stevie?

[strandinthewind]

. . . I prefer to think Lindsey's at home making another a baby. :nod: :)

you mean with the woman does everything she can to resemble the way Stevie looked in the 70's, including dressing in ponchos, flowing sleeves, etc. :eek:

couldn't resist that nag :laugh: :wavey: :laugh:

[Miss Vicky]

you mean with the woman does everything she can to resemble the way Stevie looked in the 70's, including dressing in ponchos, flowing sleeves, etc. :eek:

couldn't resist that nag :laugh: :wavey: :laugh:

Better than him sleeping with the real thing.... that's it... I can feel the oatmeal and jam starting to come up... thanks a lot.

[strandinthewind]

Better than him sleeping with the real thing.... that's it... I can feel the oatmeal and jam starting to come up... thanks a lot.

well, he still chasing after something on the real thing - though married to poser

(for the weak of heart - Miss Vicky and I are being somewhat silly and having friendly banter)

[Miss Vicky]

well, he still chasing after something on the real thing - though married to poser

(for the weak of heart - Miss Vicky and I are being somewhat silly and having friendly banter)

Maybe... but I personally think he found a better (and more beautiful) catch in Kristen. I know a lot of Stevie-ites don't like her and want her out of the picture, but I think she seems good for him (though marriage and fatherhood may have contributed to the current gray state of his hair).

And obviously Lindsey sees something in her... he married her and they had three kids together (not necessarily in that order). I think William needs a brother. Go Lindsey! :nod:

[irishgrl]

well, he still chasing after something on the real thing - though married to poser

(for the weak of heart - Miss Vicky and I are being somewhat silly and having friendly banter)

crap, I deleted my first post, because I thot Jason explained everything was in fun, but I see some of what I deleted is still appropriate so Ill put the pertinent parts: I think SnL have never stopped loving each other, and will leave this life having reunited. I base this on my 30+ years of watching them together and on my personal crystal ball. Also, I dont give a flying FART if anyone disagrees with me, I will just sit back, Buddah-like and watch it all unfold. My champagne and party hats are only waiting for that happy day. :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

Kristen is an opportunist. and she will prove it soon.

[Miss Vicky]

I read this after I posted the above....Miss Vicky, my apologies, I didnt know it was all in fun. Ive stayed strictly in the chit chat forum so I dont know how everyone on THIS board feels about SnL.......


Not sure why you're apologising, but accepted none the less.

All in fun? Sort of. Not trying to offend anyone but nothing I've said at least in regards to S and L together has been a joke. I genuinely prefer to see Lindsey with his wife.

[irishgrl]

Not sure why you're apologising, but accepted none the less.

All in fun? Sort of. Not trying to offend anyone but nothing I've said at least in regards to S and L together has been a joke. I genuinely prefer to see Lindsey with his wife.
shucks you got to that before I deleted THAT ONE too! some people are just too fast!
I tell you now, Kristen's days as Mrs. Buckingham are numbered. Believe me or not, I dont care. But the REAL love story is Lindsey and Stevie.

[Miss Vicky]

shucks you got to that before I deleted THAT ONE too! some people are just too fast!
I tell you now, Kristen's days as Mrs. Buckingham are numbered. Believe me or not, I dont care. But the REAL love story is Lindsey and Stevie.

Yeah, well, I don't believe you. Especially considering they're up to three children at this point and even Stevie has said that Lindsey's "madly in love with those little kids" and considering that the youngest of which is less than a year old, I'd lose considerable respect for the man if he left their mother.

It just galls me that so many fans want to see an end to Lindsey's marriage when none of them really know a darned thing about the woman to whom he is married. Have even seen some of them describe her as a "rude b*tch" (on a FM yahoogroup, not here) because she supposedly deliberately folded her hands in her lap rather than applauding when Stevie came on stage. Give me a break.

[DrummerDeanna]

Yeah, well, I don't believe you. Especially considering they're up to three children at this point and even Stevie has said that Lindsey's "madly in love with those little kids" and considering that the youngest of which is less than a year old, I'd lose considerable respect for the man if he left their mother.

It just galls me that so many fans want to see an end to Lindsey's marriage when none of them really know a darned thing about the woman to whom he is married. Have even seen some of them describe her as a "rude b*tch" (on a FM yahoogroup, not here) because she supposedly deliberately folded her hands in her lap rather than applauding when Stevie came on stage. Give me a break.

I pretty much always stay out of the Lindsey/Stevie discussion because I have nothing to contribuite....but I actually don't really care :laugh:

I mean - if Linds is happy with Kristen then what does it matter? I'm a die-hard Stevie gal but I'm not on the Lindsey and Stevie are and always will be madly in love with each other...:shrug:

[SuzeQuze]

I pretty much always stay out of the Lindsey/Stevie discussion because I have nothing to contribuite....but I actually don't really care :laugh:

I mean - if Linds is happy with Kristen then what does it matter? I'm a die-hard Stevie gal but I'm not on the Lindsey and Stevie are and always will be madly in love with each other...:shrug:

Same. It's none of my business and I don't really care. I think Stevie could be happy with another man or without a man. Why does she have to be with a man, or Lindsey for that matter? What they had was a long time ago and they've both done horrible things to each other. Yes they still love each other and they fall in love all over again on stage, or at least appear to, but that doesn't mean he will leave his wife. I wouldn't if I were him. I don't know a thing about her but I don't wish a man leaving his wife for another woman on anyone (except my ex's wife). Especially when she has had his children. It seems cruel to wish that on her.

[irishgrl]

Yeah, well, I don't believe you. Especially considering they're up to three children at this point and even Stevie has said that Lindsey's "madly in love with those little kids" and considering that the youngest of which is less than a year old, I'd lose considerable respect for the man if he left their mother.

It just galls me that so many fans want to see an end to Lindsey's marriage when none of them really know a darned thing about the woman to whom he is married. Have even seen some of them describe her as a "rude b*tch" (on a FM yahoogroup, not here) because she supposedly deliberately folded her hands in her lap rather than applauding when Stevie came on stage. Give me a break.
speaking for myself, I believe:
1) Lindsey only married Kristen because Kid #2 was on the way and I think Stevie also might have had a hand in convincing him somehow
2) The fact they have 3 children is strictly due to Kristen's machinations (oops, forgot the pill honey)
3) the mere presence of children does NOT mean unhappy parents should stick it out. Kids arent dumb, they know when its not working.
4) Kristen not applauding when Stevie came on stage IS rude if you are at a concert where she is performing! Her refusal to applaud speaks VOLUMES about her character IMO.
5) Eventually, this situation will right itself. IMO its already started.

again: I dont give two plug nickels if I am the only person in the whole universe who feels this way. like I said, I am content to watch it all unfold.

[Miss Vicky]

I pretty much always stay out of the Lindsey/Stevie discussion because I have nothing to contribuite....but I actually don't really care :laugh:

I mean - if Linds is happy with Kristen then what does it matter? I'm a die-hard Stevie gal but I'm not on the Lindsey and Stevie are and always will be madly in love with each other...:shrug:

Believe it or not, I do believe that L and S will always be in each other's hearts and have something in each other that nobody can touch, but they make better friends and collaborators than lovers.

And I don't see why there's such animosity towards Kristen. In all of the footage I've seen of her, she comes across as being a very kind person. I've tried to stay out of such discussion, but it just irritates me when people talk such sh*t about the man's wife and I can't seem to help but to say something about it.

[DrummerDeanna]

Believe it or not, I do believe that L and S will always be in each other's hearts and have something in each other that nobody can touch, but they make better friends and collaborators than lovers.



I wholeheartedly agree with that statement. I do think they definitely share something special - but I don't think they're mean to be together necessarily in that husband wife way ya know?

My main question is why do people assume that Linds and Kristen are so unhappy? :shrug:

[Miss Vicky]

speaking for myself, I believe:
1) Lindsey only married Kristen because Kid #2 was on the way and I think Stevie also might have had a hand in convincing him somehow
2) The fact they have 3 children is strictly due to Kristen's machinations (oops, forgot the pill honey)
3) the mere presence of children does NOT mean unhappy parents should stick it out. Kids arent dumb, they know when its not working.
4) Kristen not applauding when Stevie came on stage IS rude if you are at a concert where she is performing! Her refusal to applaud speaks VOLUMES about her character IMO.
5) Eventually, this situation will right itself. IMO its already started.



Considering how much of a private person Lindsey is, I don't see how you can have any evidence at all to back up your theories. I think it's just speculation based solely on wishful thinking. Why do you think Lindsey and Kristen are "unhappy parents"? What evidence is there? If you're going to try to convince me, do it with facts, not theories.

I think the fact that Kristen did not applaud for Stevie speaks NOTHING about her character. I think it only speaks to a natural jealousy that any woman would have towards another woman who means that much to her husband.

[DrummerDeanna]

Considering how much of a private person Lindsey is, I don't see how you can have any evidence at all to back up your theories. I think it's just speculation based solely on wishful thinking. Why do you think Lindsey and Kristen are "unhappy parents"? What evidence is there? If you're going to try to convince me, do it with facts, not theories.

I think the fact that Kristen did not applaud for Stevie speaks NOTHING about her character. I think it only speaks to a natural jealousy that any woman would have towards another woman who means that much to her husband.

Right - that's what I'm wondering - is there some indication that they're unhappy parents?

Also - I don't think Kristen is required to applaud every night night after night after night....:shrug: I don't see that as an overly rude thing...also they must have spent lots of time together on down time :shrug: haha...really I don't know because up til now I"ve stayed out of the these discussions :p

[irishgrl]

Considering how much of a private person Lindsey is, I don't see how you can have any evidence at all to back up your theories. I think it's just speculation based solely on wishful thinking. Why do you think Lindsey and Kristen are "unhappy parents"? What evidence is there? If you're going to try to convince me, do it with facts, not theories.

I think the fact that Kristen did not applaud for Stevie speaks NOTHING about her character. I think it only speaks to a natural jealousy that any woman would have towards another woman who means that much to her husband.
Im not trying to convince anybody! Im only stating my position

btw, this: it only speaks to a natural jealousy that any woman would have towards another woman who means that much to her husband
is significant. apparently Kristen knows more about Lindseys feelings for Stevie than any Stevie haters will admit :shrug:

[amber]

I think the fact that Kristen did not applaud for Stevie speaks NOTHING about her character. I think it only speaks to a natural jealousy that any woman would have towards another woman who means that much to her husband.
I'm not saying they're unhappy parents, but to me, being so jealous of another woman who means something to your husband that you can't manage some polite applause, DOES say something about your character. Something bad.

[skcin]

I thought it would be interesting to do a search to see what celebrities are republican...here is some that I found (some was a shock)...

Scott Baio



OH NO! NOT CHACHI!!!

say it ain't so :distress:


:D

[Miss Vicky]

Im not trying to convince anybody! Im only stating my position

A position which you apparently have no evidence to support.

btw, this is significant. apparently Kristen knows more about Lindseys feelings for Stevie than any Stevie haters will admit :shrug:

Nobody here is questioning whether or not Lindsey has feelings for Stevie (not even I, as a "Stevie hater" am questioning it), and I doubt that Kristen is questioning it either. It's pretty obvious that he does. I'm just saying that her lack of applause seems only to be a natural manifestation of jealousy over those feelings. It's not like she booed when Stevie came on or anything. She simply didn't clap.

Personally I think this whole thing is nothing but the "BN romantics" desperately searching for non-existent evidence to use to support the theories their over-active imaginations have conjured up.

This is my opinion. You can argue and rant against it all you want but it's my opinion and it will stand.

[irishgrl]

A position which you apparently have no evidence to support.

SINCE I AM NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU, I DONT NEED EVIDENCE.

as for the rest, you are entitled to your opinion. Why you feel so threatened by the "BN romantics" is a mystery to me!
As far as I am concerned, you opinion can stand all it wants to. Personally, I prefer to sit and watch.

[Miss Vicky]

SINCE I AM NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU, I DONT NEED EVIDENCE.

Ok. Whatever. But both myself and DrummerDeanna have posed the question asking why you think they're "unhappy parents" and all you seem to do is side-step it.

As for the rest, you are entitled to your opinion. Why you feel so threatened by the "BN romantics" is a mystery to me!


I don't feel at all threatened by them. I just think they're hopeless romantics with tunnel vision and over-active imaginations. That's all.

[irishgrl]

Ok. Whatever. But both myself and DrummerDeanna have posed the question asking why you think they're "unhappy parents" and all you seem to do is side-step it.

I don't feel at all threatened by them. I just think they're hopeless romantics with tunnel vision and over-active imaginations. That's all.

my very first post on this issue stated that I wasnt trying to do anything other than state my opinion. you said "if you are trying to convince me..."
and I replied "Im not"
It seems to me that you ARE threatened by the "BN romantics" precisely because you get very defensive in your posts! I myself see NOTHING WRONG with romance. Personally, from the pictures I've seen, the interviews Ive read, and the first-hand accounts of SnL interactions Ive been told, (not to mention the film footage available) I think it requires more effort to deny the truth of SnL's love than it does to accept it. But, I dont care what you believe or disbelieve on that score. The truth will come out eventually. Of that, I am certain.

this:
3) the mere presence of children does NOT mean unhappy parents should stick it out. Kids arent dumb, they know when its not working.
was a rebuttal to your assertion that parents should stay together if they had kids. It was a GENERIC comment. I didnt specifically name Lindsey and Kristen, but IF Lindsey is unhappy, he shouldnt stay merely because he has children with Kristen IMO.

[strandinthewind]

Nobody here is questioning whether or not Lindsey has feelings for Stevie (not even I, as a "Stevie hater" am questioning it), and I doubt that Kristen is questioning it either. It's pretty obvious that he does. I'm just saying that her lack of applause seems only to be a natural manifestation of jealousy over those feelings. It's not like she booed when Stevie came on or anything. She simply didn't clap.

Personally I think this whole thing is nothing but the "BN romantics" desperately searching for non-existent evidence to use to support the theories their over-active imaginations have conjured up.

With all due respect - I was there when she did it and it was not just a mere incidence of not clapping. If you go to www.buckinghamnicks.net, you can read a review of the Soundstage affair. But, I know what I saw with my two peepers. To her defense, I spoke with her and found her nice, charming, and cordial. I have no beef with her whatsoever and, in fact, kind of like her and, not that she needs it, feel sorry for her in that wasp's nest. I mean she essentially is an interloper in a huge band in which tensions run very high. Who would want to be in that? So, I credit her for the stamina I am unsure I could have in the same situation.

[Miss Vicky]

my very first post on this issue stated that I wasnt trying to do anything other than state my opinion. you said "if you are trying to convince me..."
and I replied "Im not"
It seems to me that you ARE threatened by the "BN romantics" precisely because you get very defensive in your posts! I myself see NOTHING WRONG with romance. Personally, from the pictures I've seen, the interviews Ive read, and the first-hand accounts of SnL interactions Ive been told, (not to mention the film footage available) I think it requires more effort to deny the truth of SnL's love than it does to accept it. But, I dont care what you believe or disbelieve on that score. The truth will come out eventually. Of that, I am certain.

Here we go again. Let me reword the question.

Why is it your opinion that Lindsey and Kristen are "unhappy parents"?

Arguments and all that aside... just please, satisfy my curiousity.

[DrummerDeanna]

I realize you're not trying to convince anyone....I know there are Stevie/Linds romantics out there - more power to ya - it's a nice thought - and there is nothing wrong with romance...

Basically I was just wondering if there was info that I had missed out on - like I didn't know about the no clapping thing...:shrug: I really don't pay that much attention to the whole situation :)

[Miss Vicky]

With all due respect - I was there when she did it and it was not just a mere incidence of not clapping. If you go to www.buckinghamnicks.net, you can read a review of the Soundstage affair. But, I know what I saw with my two peepers. To her defense, I spoke with her and found her nice, charming, and cordial. I have no beef with her whatsoever and, in fact, kind of like her and, not that she needs it, feel sorry for her in that wasp's nest. I mean she essentially is an interloper in a huge band in which tensions run very high. Who would want to be in that? So, I credit her for the stamina I am unsure I could have in the same situation.

With all due respect as well,

When the subject of her not clapping was brought up in the Yahoogroup, all anybody said was that she clapped and cheered very enthusiastically when Lindsey came onstage and then purposefully put her hands in her lap when Stevie appeared. Which to me, isn't rude.
Because I do my best to look at things in a logical way, it irks me that people villify Kristen simply because she's married to Lindsey (and this has been going on long before the "not clapping" incident) and say such things as "the third child was a result of Kristen's machinations" without providing any evidence to back up such theories. And and on the subject of propriety, it is extremely rude to say such things about someone when you provide no proof of it. But then hypocrisy does seem to be the way of things around here.

[amber]

With all due respect as well,

When the subject of her not clapping was brought up in the Yahoogroup, all anybody said was that she clapped and cheered very enthusiastically when Lindsey came onstage and then purposefully put her hands in her lap when Stevie appeared. Which to me, isn't rude.
.
That's not rude to you? How strange! It's jealous harpy rude to me. Not that I care that much, if she's gonna be like that. :shrug: Still, I think it's rude. :)

[irishgrl]

Here we go again. Let me reword the question.

Why is it your opinion that Lindsey and Kristen are "unhappy parents"?

Arguments and all that aside... just please, satisfy my curiousity.

LOOK AGAIN. I said it was a generic answer I then said IF Lindsey was unhappy, he shouldnt stay because of the children.

I havent made any comment on Lindsey's happiness (yet)

the third child was a result of Kristen's machinations" without providing any evidence to back up such theories. And and on the subject of propriety, it is extremely rude to say such things about someone when you provide no proof of it

the comment I made was an OPINION (NOT a theory) and as such doesnt require proof. I am of the opinion Jesus died for me too but I dont have any proof. I only have faith. I happen to be one of those detestable "BN romantics" you have so little regard for but your lack of regard means squat to me! And really, its of no consequence anyway. Our lives arent impacted one way or another by what that triad does. So, I am not going to argue with you.

[Miss Vicky]

"3) the mere presence of children does NOT mean unhappy parents should stick it out. Kids arent dumb, they know when its not working."


Since we were specifically talking about Lindsey and Kristen, and you said "does NOT mean unhappy parents should stick it out," I naturally inferred that you were implying that Lindsey and Kristen are unhappy parents. If that was not your intention, which I doubt, then perhaps it would have been better to word your "rebuttal" (and see below for what I think about that) in a manner such as this "there mere presence of children does NOT mean that the parents should stick it out "IF" (key word here) they are unhappy.

And on the subject of your "rebuttal" that word implies that this is indeed an argument. The whole point of an argument is try to convince the other side to at the very least consider your point of view. If you aren't trying to convince me of anything, then there's no need for a rebuttal, is there?

[Miss Vicky]

LOOK AGAIN. I said it was a generic answer I then said IF Lindsey was unhappy, he shouldnt stay because of the children.

I havent made any comment on Lindsey's happiness (yet)

Your "generic" comment was not part of your original post and I made that reply before you edited and added on that comment.

[strandinthewind]

When the subject of her not clapping was brought up in the Yahoogroup, all anybody said was that she clapped and cheered very enthusiastically when Lindsey came onstage and then purposefully put her hands in her lap when Stevie appeared. Which to me, isn't rude.

I suggest that level of discourtesy for someone your husband has invited to his show is the very the meaning of "rude" to wit (emphasis supplied):

Main Entry: rude
Pronunciation: 'rüd
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): rud·er; rud·est
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin rudis; probably akin to Latin rudus rubble
1 a : being in a rough or unfinished state : CRUDE <rude line illustrations> b : NATURAL, RAW <rude cotton> c : PRIMITIVE, UNDEVELOPED <peasants use rude wooden plows -- Jack Raymond> d : SIMPLE, ELEMENTAL <landscape done in rude whites, blacks, deep browns -- Richard Harris>
2 : lacking refinement or delicacy: a : IGNORANT, UNLEARNED b : INELEGANT, UNCOUTH c : offensive in manner or action : DISCOURTEOUS d : UNCIVILIZED, SAVAGE e : COARSE, VULGAR
3 : marked by or suggestive of lack of training or skill : INEXPERIENCED <rude workmanship>
4 : ROBUST, STURDY <in rude health>
5 : occurring abruptly and disconcertingly <a rude awakening>
- rude·ly adverb
synonyms RUDE, ROUGH, CRUDE, RAW mean lacking in social refinement. RUDE implies ignorance of or indifference to good form; it may suggest intentional discourtesy <rude behavior>. ROUGH is likely to stress lack of polish and gentleness <rough manners>. CRUDE may apply to thought or behavior limited to the gross, the obvious, or the primitive and ignorant of civilized amenities <a crude joke>. RAW suggests being untested, inexperienced, or unfinished <turning raw youths into polished performers>.

http://www.merriamwebster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=rude

Again, I do not really care why she did not, at the least, clap and in many ways do not blame her - but to say it was not a rude gesture is preposterous in that such a conclusion is unsupported by the definition of "rude" :shrug:

But, I think you want to defend her at any cost because you like to piss off the Stevie people. So, that ends this for me :wavey:

[irishgrl]

Your "generic" comment was not part of your original post and I made that reply before you edited and added on that comment.

well, Im not sure when which item was posted and its really not worth getting worked up about anyway. I can see how you might have taken it in a way other than what was intended, but I usually refer to people by name when I am talking about them and stick to gender neutral words when I am NOT.

just an fyi.

[amber]

I suggest that level of discourtesy for someone your husband has invited to his show is the very the meaning of "rude" to wit (emphasis supplied):

Main Entry: rude
Pronunciation: 'rüd
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): rud·er; rud·est
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin rudis; probably akin to Latin rudus rubble
1 a : being in a rough or unfinished state : CRUDE <rude line illustrations> b : NATURAL, RAW <rude cotton> c : PRIMITIVE, UNDEVELOPED <peasants use rude wooden plows -- Jack Raymond> d : SIMPLE, ELEMENTAL <landscape done in rude whites, blacks, deep browns -- Richard Harris>
2 : lacking refinement or delicacy: a : IGNORANT, UNLEARNED b : INELEGANT, UNCOUTH c : offensive in manner or action : DISCOURTEOUS d : UNCIVILIZED, SAVAGE e : COARSE, VULGAR
3 : marked by or suggestive of lack of training or skill : INEXPERIENCED <rude workmanship>
4 : ROBUST, STURDY <in rude health>
5 : occurring abruptly and disconcertingly <a rude awakening>
- rude·ly adverb
synonyms RUDE, ROUGH, CRUDE, RAW mean lacking in social refinement. RUDE implies ignorance of or indifference to good form; it may suggest intentional discourtesy <rude behavior>. ROUGH is likely to stress lack of polish and gentleness <rough manners>. CRUDE may apply to thought or behavior limited to the gross, the obvious, or the primitive and ignorant of civilized amenities <a crude joke>. RAW suggests being untested, inexperienced, or unfinished <turning raw youths into polished performers>.

http://www.merriamwebster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=rude

Again, I do not really care why she did not, at the least, clap and in many ways do not blame her - but to say it was not a rude gesture is preposterous in that such a conclusion is unsupported by the definition of "rude" :shrug:

But, I think you want to defend her at any cost because you like to piss off the Stevie people. So, that ends this for me :wavey:
:xoxo: :xoxo:
THanks, Strandish!

[Miss Vicky]

Again, I do not really care why she did not, at the least, clap and in many ways do not blame her - but to say it was not a rude gesture is preposterous in that such a conclusion is unsupported by the definition of "rude" :shrug: But, I think you want to defend her at any cost because you like to piss off the Stevie people. So, that ends this for me :wavey:

With all due respect,

I know you said this ends it for you, but I still have something to say. (and btw I'm still going on the basis of what was stated in that Yahoogroup. If you feel I'm missing something please direct me to the actual account of the situation rather than just to the website itself. Buckinghamnicks.net, which btw is a wonderful site, is rather extensive and I don't have the patience to search it) Nothing that was stated in the yahoo posts indicated to me anything that was rude. (and I don't need your definitions. As a fiction writer I am forever looking in the dictionary and thesaurus and am very much familiar with the English language, thank you very much.)
I am not "defending Kristen at any cost" I am merely asking for the reasons for the animosity so many people have for her, and am not receiving any answers. :shrug: :confused:
As for "liking to piss the Stevie people off," I think you misjudge me. I like to express my opinion on any subject for which I have an opinion. And if the things I say or the way I say them end up pissing people off, so be it, but it's not really my intention.

[Miss Vicky]

the comment I made was an OPINION (NOT a theory) and as such doesnt require proof. I am of the opinion Jesus died for me too but I dont have any proof. I only have faith. I happen to be one of those detestable "BN romantics" you have so little regard for but your lack of regard means squat to me! And really, its of no consequence anyway. Our lives arent impacted one way or another by what that triad does. So, I am not going to argue with you.

If my lack of regard "means squat to you" then why do you continue to reply to my posts? Obviously it does mean something to you.

Opinions, theories, whatever. Here's what you said "The fact they have 3 children is strictly due to Kristen's machinations" and I find it extremely rude (see strandinthe wind's definitions) to attack someone's character in such a way without providing evidence.

[amber]

I still can't believe you don't think that's rude! It boggles my mind.

[Serrart]

...as a "Stevie hater"..

:shocked: It sounds quite tiring ;)

I'm just saying that her lack of applause seems only to be a natural manifestation of jealousy over those feelings. It's not like she booed when Stevie came on or anything. She simply didn't clap.

I also think it can mean many things, maybe she was jealous, maybe she was just tired, or her mind was somewhere else, and did something unpolite without a real intention. Who knows.

Personally I think this whole thing is nothing but the "BN romantics" desperately searching for non-existent evidence to use to support the theories their over-active imaginations have conjured up.

About BN romantics, maybe they're right, maybe they aren't, maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle, we don't know, time will tell, right? Personally I'm not one of them (it wouldn't change much for me in a way or the other :p ) I can understand though how to evidently not applaud Stevie Nicks in a place where you're fully visible, and surrounded by FM fans can be seen in a negative way. Probably If I had been there I wouldn't have been too impressed either by her behaviour :shrug: but a bad night can happen to everyone.

Romy

[strandinthewind]

Since you asked - I will try this one more time :laugh:

. . . Nothing that was stated in the yahoo posts indicated to me anything that was rude.

I never read it and know nothing about it. Here is the link to nancyu's site http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=7&topicdays=0&start=150 - there are many reviews there. They all appear to come from Nancy I think because she recently changed who hosts her board.

(and I don't need your definitions. As a fiction writer I am forever looking in the dictionary and thesaurus and am very much familiar with the English language, thank you very much.)

Apparently you do :laugh: because you are not defining K's intentional discourtesy to La Nicks by not clapping as the literal definition of the word rude.

I am not "defending Kristen at any cost"

of course you are because to think that purposefully not clapping for someone your husband has a tremendous amount of respect for and who he personally invited onstage with him at his solo event did not "not suggest intentional discourtesy" is a farce and an argument that holds no merit. Thus, I suggest it implies if not shrieks "defending Kristen at any cost"

Thus, the clarification you asked for :cool:

Again, I like K, I think she was very very nice to me. I just think not clapping on purpose is rude and the dic. supports me :wavey:

[Miss Vicky]

:shocked: It sounds quite tiring ;)

I don't really consider myself a Stevie hater, but I know that other people do, so I was just using their verbage.



:I also think it can mean many things, maybe she was jealous, maybe she was just tired, or her mind was somewhere else, and did something unpolite without a real intention. Who knows.

Agreed.




About BN romantics, maybe they're right, maybe they aren't, maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle, we don't know, time will tell, right? Personally I'm not one of them (it wouldn't change much for me in a way or the other :p ) I can understand though how to evidently not applaud Stevie Nicks in a place where you're fully visible, and surrounded by FM fans can be seen in a negative way. Probably If I had been there I wouldn't have been too impressed either by her behaviour :shrug: but a bad night can happen to everyone.

Maybe they are right, maybe their not. Time will tell. But I've yet to come across any that can give a logical explanation for their dislike of Kristen (and I'm not saying that all of them dislike her, as I look back on my posts I see that I have failed to state that and I do apologise).
What really confuses me about the situation though, and maybe I'm alone in this (as I very well may be in all of my opinions), is if these people were at a Fleetwood Mac concert and Lindsey and Stevie were both on the stage, why the heck were they even looking at Kristen??? Admitedly, when I went to the shows, I looked for her and located her in the crowd before the concert began, but once the band was onstage my thoughts and my eyes were certainly not on her. (And I think you can guess what they were on).

[amber]

IWhat really confuses me about the situation though, and maybe I'm alone in this (as I very well may be in all of my opinions), is if these people were at a Fleetwood Mac concert and Lindsey and Stevie were both on the stage, why the heck were they even looking at Kristen??? Admitedly, when I went to the shows, I looked for her and located her in the crowd before the concert began, but once the band was onstage my thoughts and my eyes were certainly not on her. (And I think you can guess what they were on).
Ah! The old "change the point" deflection tactic! So, is the new point "Why were people even looking at Kristen anyways?!" Just curious.
P.S. Strand? - Love ya. :xoxo:

[Miss Vicky]

of course you are because to think that purposefully not clapping for someone your husband has a tremendous amount of respect for and who he personally invited onstage with him at his solo event did not "not suggest intentional discourtesy" is a farce and an argument that holds no merit. Thus, I suggest it implies if not shrieks "defending Kristen at any cost"

Dictionary definitions aside, the true meaning of all words are up to interpretation. And I still ask to be provided with a direct link to the account of the incident.

[Miss Vicky]

Ah! The old "change the point" deflection tactic! So, is the new point "Why were people even looking at Kristen anyways?!" Just curious.

I was not trying to change the point, it was an aside note, I apologize for not stating it as such.

[DrummerDeanna]

Ah! The old "change the point" deflection tactic! So, is the new point "Why were people even looking at Kristen anyways?!" Just curious.
P.S. Strand? - Love ya. :xoxo:

This is getting weird :laugh: And it's a great example of why I usually just shut my trap when it comes to this topic...I mean really who cares :shrug:

[Miss Vicky]

This is getting weird :laugh: And it's a great example of why I usually just shut my trap when it comes to this topic...I mean really who cares :shrug:

I'm getting into this at the moment mainly because I'm bored. :D

[amber]

Dictionary definitions aside, the true meaning of all words are up to interpretation. And I still ask to be provided with a direct link to the account of the incident.
"The true meaning of all words is open to interpretation"? Actually, almost all words are pretty narrowly defined, that's what the dictionary is for. Sure, some words may have multiple meanings, but I wouldn't really call that "open to interpretation"
And, last I checked? Rude means rude, not, say, "full of happy sunshine and flowers" or "A special kind of lace used by the basque for ceremonial dresses"
ie, the true definition of a word isn't really open to interpretations. That's why it's called a definition, because it defines exactly what the word means.

[Sugar]

Just goes to show you that if you let a thread go long enough... ;)

[amber]

This is getting weird :laugh: And it's a great example of why I usually just shut my trap when it comes to this topic...I mean really who cares :shrug:
Oh, please, DD, we always do this, you included. ;) :laugh: It's fun, we like it. This may not be your particular area of fun pointless argument, but it still can be someone's. :lol:

[strandinthewind]

Dictionary definitions aside, the true meaning of all words are up to interpretation. And I still ask to be provided with a direct link to the account of the incident.

If you are so "bored" then you can be bothered to look through the maybe six threads on the link I cited that specifically refer to the Soundstage reviews :rolleyes: Otherwise, I bill out at $250 an hour for research and take Visa :laugh: :wavey: :laugh:

[Miss Vicky]

"The true meaning of all words is open to interpretation"? Actually, almost all words are pretty narrowly defined, that's what the dictionary is for. Sure, some words may have multiple meanings, but I wouldn't really call that "open to interpretation"
And, last I checked? Rude means rude, not, say, "full of happy sunshine and flowers" or "A special kind of lace used by the basque for ceremonial dresses"
ie, the true definition of a word isn't really open to interpretations. That's why it's called a definition, because it defines exactly what the word means.

Right... :rolleyes: and that's why not all dictionaries give the same definitions. And the definition of the word rude is up to interpretation. For example, certain things are considered rude in certain cultures and not in others. Blame it on the public school system, whatever, but I was raised to believe that if you're at a public performance and do not like/agree with/whatever the performer or performance you simply don't applaud. That's not rude. To jeer and boo is rude, but to remain silent is not.

[Miss Vicky]

Dictionary definitions aside, the true meaning of all words are up to interpretation. And I still ask to be provided with a direct link to the account of the incident.

Whoops, sorry scrolling too fast and missed the link. I rescind this comment.

[amber]

Right... :rolleyes: and that's why not all dictionaries give the same definitions. And the definition of the word rude is up to interpretation. For example, certain things are considered rude in certain cultures and not in others. Blame it on the public school system, whatever, but I was raised to believe that if you're at a public performance and do not like/agree with/whatever the performer or performance you simply don't applaud. That's not rude. To jeer and boo is rude, but to remain silent is not.
*shudder, cringe*
See Strand's definition of why Kristen's actions were rude. Here, right now, in this culture, within the context of this situtation.
If Kristen was feeling soo jealous, that she couldn't clap for someone who is sharing the stage, and contributing to the songs of, her husband, and whom her husband wanted on the stage, she really shouldn't go at all. Then she could've avoided being rude, which not clapping was, in this case.

[Serrart]

Maybe they are right, maybe their not. Time will tell. But I've yet to come across any that can give a logical explanation for their dislike of Kristen (and I'm not saying that all of them dislike her, as I look back on my posts I see that I have failed to state that and I do apologise).
What really confuses me about the situation though, and maybe I'm alone in this (as I very well may be in all of my opinions), is if these people were at a Fleetwood Mac concert and Lindsey and Stevie were both on the stage, why the heck were they even looking at Kristen??? Admitedly, when I went to the shows, I looked for her and located her in the crowd before the concert began, but once the band was onstage my thoughts and my eyes were certainly not on her. (And I think you can guess what they were on).

If you're referring to Lindsey Soundstage, I imagine it was much easier to see what her reactions were since during a concert in a TV studio you're usually packed and knowing exactly where she was, it had to be quite natural to turn and look at her every now and then. If you were talking in general, from my experience, when you're just in front of a stage, it isn't that distracting to see what happens and who's in the wings, if you're interested to know what's going on there.


Romy

[irishgrl]

If my lack of regard "means squat to you" then why do you continue to reply to my posts? Obviously it does mean something to you.

Opinions, theories, whatever. Here's what you said "The fact they have 3 children is strictly due to Kristen's machinations" and I find it extremely rude (see strandinthe wind's definitions) to attack someone's character in such a way without providing evidence.

you left out the IMPORTANT part which was IMO which again, doesnt require evidence. I am stating what I believe. you dont have to like it and I dont have to PROVE it.

the reason I reply is because you ask questions or you are missing an important part of my answer or as in this case you left something OUT.
if you do this, one can only assume you are being deliberate in your attempt to change the context, which as a fiction writer, you must be familiar with.

[DrummerDeanna]

Oh, please, DD, we always do this, you included. ;) :laugh: It's fun, we like it. This may not be your particular area of fun pointless argument, but it still can be someone's. :lol:

Hey now - I never said I don't do it :) I guess, like you said, this just isn't my area of interest :p

[amber]

Hey now - I never said I don't do it :) I guess, like you said, this just isn't my area of interest :p
I know you didn't. :xoxo:

[irishgrl]

If you are so "bored" then you can be bothered to look through the maybe six threads on the link I cited that specifically refer to the Soundstage reviews :rolleyes: Otherwise, I bill out at $250 an hour for research and take Visa :laugh: :wavey: :laugh:
unless YOU happen to be bored enuff to look up timestamps in TWO different threads :xoxo: :blob2: :blob1:

[Miss Vicky]

unless YOU happen to be bored enuff to look up timestamps in TWO different threads :xoxo: :blob2: :blob1:

Mainly it's more procrastination than boredom. Am putting off working on a research assignment that is requiring me to discuss the "recent" trend in the use of rebellion in advertisements and argue whether this has a positive or negative effect on society. Only, I have to base this paper on an assigned article the professor provided - one that was written in 1998, seven friggin' years ago - and nearly every company that article cited has changed their marketing tactics! It's ridiculous, but if I don't get it done and in on time, I fail the class because he does not accept late work and will fail anybody who doesn't turn in ALL assignments. I need a smiley for :stressed out: :distress: :laugh:

[irishgrl]

Mainly it's more procrastination than boredom. Am putting off working on a research assignment that is requiring me to discuss the "recent" trend in the use of rebellion in advertisements and argue whether this has a positive or negative effect on society. Only, I have to base this paper on an assigned article the professor provided - one that was written in 1998, seven friggin' years ago - and nearly every company that article cited has changed their marketing tactics! It's ridiculous, but if I don't get it done and in on time, I fail the class because he does not accept late work and will fail anybody who doesn't turn in ALL assignments. I need a smiley for :stressed out: :distress: :laugh:
Vicky, that was actually a little dig at Jason, not you! I hope all goes well with your project, Im sure you will do a wonderful job :) good luck!

[Miss Vicky]

you left out the IMPORTANT part which was IMO which again, doesnt require evidence. I am stating what I believe. you dont have to like it and I dont have to PROVE it.



Opinion or not, I still think it's rude to attack someone's character without some evidence to support it. I also find it hypocritical to accuse someone of being rude when the accuser is herself being quite rude in the aformentioned attack. That's what I said in my post to Romy (not to you). So chill. :thumbsup:

This argument has lost its fun and is becoming tiresome. I have nothing to say that I have not already said.

If you took offense to my statements - :sorry: :xoxo:

Oh yeah,
P.S. In response to your statement "one can only assume you are being deliberate in your attempt to change the context, which as a fiction writer, you must be familiar with." I think you must be mistaking me for a political speech writer. You see, fiction writers do not attempt to change the context of things, they just make things up entirely. :D

[Miss Vicky]

Vicky, that was actually a little dig at Jason, not you! I hope all goes well with your project, Im sure you will do a wonderful job :) good luck!

Oh, sorry, my eyes are a little strained and blurry from staring at a blank Word document trying to come up with a response to this ridiculous assignment.

[Miss Vicky]

If you're referring to Lindsey Soundstage, I imagine it was much easier to see what her reactions were since during a concert in a TV studio you're usually packed and knowing exactly where she was, it had to be quite natural to turn and look at her every now and then. If you were talking in general, from my experience, when you're just in front of a stage, it isn't that distracting to see what happens and who's in the wings, if you're interested to know what's going on there.

Actually, I think the posts on the yahoogroup came before the Soundstage performance. It's been so long since I've been active on that particular list (is a Fleetwood Mac fanfiction group) that I don't really remember but I think it was just at one of the regular shows. My not noticing what other people do at shows probably has more to do with the tunnel vision I get when I'm at a FM concert. Since Lindsey Buckingham is the one I spent all that money to see, he's the only one I ever watch, even if all he's doing is sitting down while Mick does his drum/vest solo in "World Turning." :D

[strandinthewind]

Whoops, sorry scrolling too fast and missed the link. I rescind this comment.

I was like - surely she is not asking for more :laugh:

no harm no foul :cool:

[strandinthewind]

unless YOU happen to be bored enuff to look up timestamps in TWO different threads :xoxo: :blob2: :blob1:

touche' :p :p :p