Best and or favorite president

[Hawkeye]

who do you feel was the best president the United States ever had. Or maybe they're just your favorite.

1. Franklin Deleno Roosevelt- by far IMO the very best and mos succesful president EVER. I mena he got us out of the freaking and depression and won us WWII throwing this country into its prosperity it's enjoyed ever since. It makes me mad that he died months before the war officially ended giving Truman the credit of being the president at the end of the war. No other president comes close.

RUNNERS UP

2. Bill Clinton- I'm not gonna lie, a big part of this is his fandom of Fleetwood Mac, but also I generally like him, and he did give us a great decade. I really wish he could've ran again this year. But just think he may return to the white house as first lady :laugh:

3. Abraham Lincoln- He preserved the Union when the country was breaking in half, the civil war wasn;t an instant sucess, and I have a big problem with AMericans killing other Americans, but in the long run that war was worth it.

4. George Washington- Not for being the first president, but for his great advice as he left office. Don't get involved in foreighn affairs. We haven't followed his advice at all but Oh Well.

5. Thomas Jefferson- Doubled our size and got us moving towrds the pacific.

6. George W. Bush- Just kidding, but I don't hate him as much as others.

[dissention]

Roosevelt, Carter, and Ford for different reasons.

[strandinthewind]

FDR - he had the right ideas and, sadly, the welfare state he imagined has been bastardized, misused, and blown WAY out of scope and proportion.

others

George Washington - he said beware of political parties - need I say more :cool:

Ronald Regean - bad politics, but I liked him as a person

Clinton - liar and schemer but other than that :laugh: did a good job

Carter - completely ineffective - but a good heart in the right place

[sunmaiden]

FDR definitely. I saw that W had managed to come up with the notion that the War On Iraq mirrors WWII...that pees me off....are we supposed to try and compare W to FDR- Idon't think so! :mad:

[estranged4life]

I like all the presidents on the $1, $2, $5, $10, $20, $50, $100 bills :nod:

Didnt care for the president on the "$3" though ("Slick Willy" Clinton) :thumbsup:

Seriously, I actually don't have a fave, But Benjamin Franklin should've been a President...

[dissention]

Clinton - liar and schemer but other than that :laugh: did a good job

Lately, the more I think of Clinton, the more I can't stand him.

[sunmaiden]

So far FDR takes the cake!

Although I must say Lincoln did that whole abolition thing...but how does that stand to the supreme poweress of W? :eek:

[amber]

I like Carter best. And Roosevelt, although he was secretly evil in some ways. mainly with WW2, the atomic bomb, jews, and all that.

[strandinthewind]

Lately, the more I think of Clinton, the more I can't stand him.


Perhaps more so than Rove, Clinton was a BRILLIANT politician :shrug: Sadly, he realized to stay alive meant to turn his back on his base, which he did. Also, I know this is a huge issue to many, but despite the vast right wing conspiracy, which certainly existed and still exists :nod: - he should not have sent his cabinet and others out to knowingly (he knew) lie about his affair. I have huge issues with the wasting of tax dollars for that, that money could have fed the poor. Granted, it was a witch hunt, but two wrongs have never made a right :shrug:

But, Clinton did some good things - so, he is on my list :cool:

[amber]

Lately, the more I think of Clinton, the more I can't stand him.
Clinton did hella nasty **** that my super lefty TUSK guy at work has told me about... :shocked: It's too bad, cause i kinda like the guy. But, this guy is really left, and really knowledgeable about secret politics, so... :shrug: he won't even watch pbs, cause of some corporate owned reason.

[Hawkeye]

So far FDR takes the cake!

Although I must say Lincoln did that whole abolition thing...but how does that stand to the supreme poweress of W? :eek:

But Lincoln never ever set out to abolish slavery. In fact at the beginning of the war he was a racist. As the war grew on, he changed a little, but he never cared one bit about blacks. The Emancapation Proclation in 1863 was purely a war strategy.

[sunmaiden]

:angel:
I thought they were all secretly evil...or is THAT a lie?
BTW Amber, you stole my cat (the tuxedo cat)
What's wrong with you? Stealing everybody's kitties!

[dissention]

Perhaps more so than Rove, Clinton was a BRILLIANT politician :shrug: Sadly, he realized to stay alive meant to turn his back on his base, which he did. Also, I know this is a huge issue to many, but despite the vast right wing conspiracy, which certainly existed and still exists :nod: - he should not have sent his cabinet and others out to knowingly (he knew) lie about his affair. I have huge issues with the wasting of tax dollars for that, that money could have fed the poor. Granted, it was a witch hunt, but two wrongs have never made a right :shrug:

But, Clinton did some good things - so, he is on my list :cool:

My beef is only with the fact that he practically turned into a right-winger. He sold out. And he continues to do so. I've no use for him. Yet every liberal throws common sense out the window and worships the ground he walks on. It makes me vomit. Hillary is the true liberal, not that she'd let the public know it.

[strandinthewind]

My beef is only with the fact that he practically turned into a right-winger. He sold out. And he continues to do so. I've no use for him. Yet every liberal throws common sense out the window and worships the ground he walks on. It makes me vomit. Hillary is the true liberal, not that she'd let the public know it.

I would not call Clinton a right winger, but your def. of right wing is anyone who says they are against abortion, but are pro choice :laugh: :laugh: :p :p

[amber]

My beef is only with the fact that he practically turned into a right-winger. He sold out. And he continues to do so. I've no use for him. Yet every liberal throws common sense out the window and worships the ground he walks on. It makes me vomit. Hillary is the true liberal, not that she'd let the public know it.
You should have more beefs with him than that, my friend.

[GypsySorcerer]

I put Lincoln and the two Roosevelts at the top.

Personally liking them, Carter and Ford.

[amber]

:angel:
I thought they were all secretly evil...or is THAT a lie?
BTW Amber, you stole my cat (the tuxedo cat)
What's wrong with you? Stealing everybody's kitties!
No, you're right, most are secretly evil. To me, Jimmy C. may be the exception. which, of course, made him a bad politician. :rolleyes:
and, no, i didn't steal your cat. But if yours is like mine? You are very lucky, indeed. Best. Cat. Ever.! :woohoo:

[strandinthewind]

But Lincoln never ever set out to abolish slavery. In fact at the beginning of the war he was a racist. As the war grew on, he changed a little, but he never cared one bit about blacks. The Emancapation Proclation in 1863 was purely a war strategy.

Not only that, but he allowed the rich to buy their children out of the war and he saw the influx of staving Irish as the way to fight it. He also knew the South's economy and the mouth of the Mississippi in Louisiana were vital to the U.S. - thus it could not be lost. If it had been an area with no taxable economy, I think Lincoln would have said SEEE YAAAAAA :laugh:

[dissention]

You should have more beefs with him than that, my friend.

No, because his right-leanings are the root to all the ****ty things he did, save Monica. The Welfare Reform Act? That was f*cking disgusting. Marriage Act of '98? Despicable. I could go on and on. He turned into a Republican with somewhat leftist policies. And it was gross.

[ontheEdgeof17]

You are very lucky, indeed. Best. Cat. Ever.! :woohoo:

Stay on topic! :p

I <3 no Presidents. I don't have a fav.

[dissention]

No, you're right, most are secretly evil. To me, Jimmy C. may be the exception. which, of course, made him a bad politician. :rolleyes:
and, no, i didn't steal your cat. But if yours is like mine? You are very lucky, indeed. Best. Cat. Ever.! :woohoo:

Don't forget Ford. I hate Republicans with a passion, but Ford was a genuine and sincere man, whatever his politics may be. And he's quite the lefty when compared to some of the loons running the show now.

[sunmaiden]

Stay on topic...yes...well my cat is a little schizo...no she is not the best cat ever!

[Hawkeye]

Stay on topic! :p

I <3 no Presidents. I don't have a fav.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[amber]

No, because his right-leanings are the root to all the ****ty things he did, save Monica. The Welfare Reform Act? That was f*cking disgusting. Marriage Act of '98? Despicable. I could go on and on. He turned into a Republican with somewhat leftist policies. And it was gross.
I was mainly talking about the bombings of a few countries, and possibly NAFTA? yep. thanks, Dissy!

[amber]

Don't forget Ford. I hate Republicans with a passion, but Ford was a genuine and sincere man, whatever his politics may be. And he's quite the lefty when compared to some of the loons running the show now.
You know, I think you might be right. I don't know a lot about Ford *Cancer* but it strikes me that you are correct. :wavey:

[ontheEdgeof17]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


I'll be nice.


I still don't know about Presidents enought to say I have a fav.

[AliP]

Teddy Roosevelt, the Bull Moose, was a great pres. He's always been my fave.

[Vianna]

FDR, without question. I obviously don't remember him but my parents talked about him all the time. I feel somewhat cheated I haven't had the privilege of voting for someone of his caliber in my lifetime.

Runners Up:

Lincoln

Jefferson

[ShangriLaTroubl]

-Clinton...his lies and deceptions overshadowed the great work he actually did, but underneath all that are many accomplishments. I don't think it's fair to call him a RIGHT-WINGER, he was definetely moderate...but you can't exactly put him in the same category as President Bush. On social issues, he was off from his base probably, like gay issues and abortion.... Clintons accomplishment in my eyes is bringing a party that had been out of the spotlight in ways for years at the point, back to the front...He let average americans know that they could be democrats too, and actually Democrats represented AVERAGE americans more than Republicans.
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Of course republicans would probably say that he had nothing to do with his record accomplishments of moving record deficits to record surpluses, which of course as well all know ARE BACK DOWN IN THE HOLE NOW. He accomplished paying off the national debt a whole lot. Over 21 million new jobs were created under his presidency. Under President Clinton the economy had added an average of 248,000 jobs per month, the highest under any President. Minimum wage rose from $4.25 to $5.15 and Clinton before leaving called for it to be raised to like $6.15
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Under Clinton we had the lowest number of people on welfare since 1969.
The United States under Clinton had five consecutive years of real wage growth -- the longest consecutive increase since the 1960s. The list goes on of his achievements, like unemployement, poverty, as well as military medicare reform. Not only was Clinton an economy President, he was an education President. He expanded work study programs as well as the Pell Grant. Of course we had the lowest crime rates in like 25 yrs under Clinton, certainly much of this had to do with Clinton.


-FDR...based on my knowledge of his work. Although I agree that his accomplishments and what he meant for them have been deeply skewed and twisted since them. Never forget THE NEW DEAL. His “good neighbor” policy toward Latin America, which included the signing of reciprocal trade agreements with many countries, really improved relations with the neighboring republics to the south. Plus he was the first to run and win for a 3rd term, and then a 4th. Then came Pearl Harbor, and the allegations that we knew about it, and so on...and the rest is downhill for him there. However he is largely responsible in part for the large growth of the US military.



-Kennedy...most people seem to like any President who is killed. He launched our nation's exploration of space, many believe he was a champion of women's and blacks civil rights. Kennedy backed the Soviets down through negotiations and embargo, going against the advice of many..instead of indulging what may have been a nuclear holocaust during the Cuban Missile Crisis. It is said that he corrected an economy quickly that was off course. One of his most important accomplishments, although not mentioned much ,was his ban of the atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons.

[SuzeQuze]

My beef is only with the fact that he practically turned into a right-winger. He sold out. And he continues to do so. I've no use for him. Yet every liberal throws common sense out the window and worships the ground he walks on. It makes me vomit. Hillary is the true liberal, not that she'd let the public know it.

In her book she does, I love how much she cares about "social justice". Her autobiography was a good read. I am still only halfway through Bill's.

[dissention]

I was mainly talking about the bombings of a few countries, and possibly NAFTA? yep. thanks, Dissy!

Anyone with a brain knows that NAFTA is **** and anyone with a brain knows that his unwarranted bombings were ruses. All of it has to do with him leaning towards the right and the middle once he got in.

[dissention]

You know, I think you might be right. I don't know a lot about Ford *Cancer* but it strikes me that you are correct. :wavey:

I love Ford because he didn't lie, he had no agenda, and he truly wanted to make this country a better place for all. However misguided he may ahve been at certain points (pardoning Nixon), his heart was in the right place and he never wanted to be filthy like most Republicans. And he didn't crave power. Same with Carter. I love both of them. :thumbsup:

[estranged4life]

Anyone with a brain knows that NAFTA is **** and anyone with a brain knows that his unwarranted bombings were ruses. All of it has to do with him leaning towards the right and the middle once he got in.

to see how great NAFTA was is go to the OKC area (Hell anywhere in Oklahoma for that matter) and ask those who watched their companies head to Mexico once NAFTA was approved.

As for Clinton, I never voted for him either time, And I have no regrets whatsoever about it :thumbsup:

Brian "Y.D.M.S." j.

[strandinthewind]

I love Ford because he didn't lie, he had no agenda, and he truly wanted to make this country a better place for all. However misguided he may ahve been at certain points (pardoning Nixon), his heart was in the right place and he never wanted to be filthy like most Republicans. And he didn't crave power. Same with Carter. I love both of them. :thumbsup:

He had to pardon Nixon - the world cannot handle a U.S. Pres. in jail, though I certainly could :cool:

Plus, I have always thought that was part of the deal Nixon struck when he agreed to step down.

[dissention]

Plus, I have always thought that was part of the deal Nixon struck when he agreed to step down.

I do, too. :woohoo:

Still would have liked him to fry, as would many others. But, I like and respect Ford a great deal. One of only two Republicans that I can say that about, Olympia Snowe being the other.

[Little Nicki]

The more I think of George Bush and the slump we're in right now....The more I miss President Clinton. So what if he lied... big deal. He lied about his personal life that we shouldn't have been poking away at in the first place. Looking back at it...why did we even care? Would you rather have a president lie about having sex with a woman or lie about a country being a threat to us, telling us that a country had WMD, brought us into a war, ends up killing thousands of people?

Yeah...that's what I thought.

[dissention]

The more I think of George Bush and the slump we're in right now....The more I miss President Clinton. So what if he lied... big deal. He lied about his personal life that we shouldn't have been poking away at in the first place. Looking back at it...why did we even care? Would you rather have a president lie about having sex with a woman or lie about a country being a threat, having WMD and killing thousands of people?

Yeah...that's what I thought.

After around '94, Clinton's policies sucked, there's no way around it. The problem became worse when he was re-elected and proceeded to become one of the most conservative Democratic presidents in modern history. It has nothing to with him lying, it's about him doing a ****ty job as far as social policy went (and economic when it came to NAFTA and a few other things). He sold out the people who elected him. I liked Clinton a lot in the beginning, but in term two, I had no use for him. :laugh: Would I prefer him over Bush? In a heartbeat. I'd take Chelsea over Bush. But I wouldn't hold him up as the God of Liberalism because he's hardly a liberal these days.

[Little Nicki]

After around '94, Clinton's policies sucked, there's no way around it. The problem became worse when he was re-elected and proceeded to become one of the most conservative Democratic presidents in modern history. It has nothing to with him lying, it's about him doing a ****ty job as far as social policy went (and economic when it came to NAFTA and a few other things). He sold out the people who elected him. I liked Clinton a lot in the beginning, but in term two, I had no use for him. :laugh: Would I prefer him over Bush? In a heartbeat. I'd take Chelsea over Bush. But I wouldn't hold him up as the God of Liberalism because he's hardly a liberal these days.

Bwa ha ha! Chelsea over Bush :]

[estranged4life]

The more I think of George Bush and the slump we're in right now....The more I miss President Clinton. So what if he lied... big deal. He lied about his personal life that we shouldn't have been poking away at in the first place. Looking back at it...why did we even care? Would you rather have a president lie about having sex with a woman or lie about a country being a threat, having WMD and killing thousands of people?

Yeah...that's what I thought.

had nothing to do with his lack of chosing beautiful women to have affairs with (Excluding Jennifer Flowers, The rest were in need of sacks to wear over their heads! Trust me, A President Brian j. would be callin' my new friend Hugh Hefner to send over the Playmates!) but how, when he was still Governor of Ark-i-saw and how he royally pissed on the members of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma (Based in Tahlequah, OK) and said it was raining with his promise to not fight for his state's right to dump raw sewage into the Illinois River's tributary, Which flowed straight back into the Illinois River and annihilated the tourism of the area, Which hurt Tahlequah (Thus the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma) in a major financial way (I remember receiving my usual monthly flyer from the Cherokee Nation as a member stating to not support Clinton after he backed off his promise.)

As for Bush, Only positive I can think of is he is so damn easy to rip on...Being from Texas is #1 on my list :thumbsup:

Brian "Y.D.M.S." j.

[strandinthewind]

The more I think of George Bush and the slump we're in right now....The more I miss President Clinton. So what if he lied... big deal. He lied about his personal life that we shouldn't have been poking away at in the first place. Looking back at it...why did we even care? Would you rather have a president lie about having sex with a woman or lie about a country being a threat to us, telling us that a country had WMD, brought us into a war, ends up killing thousands of people?

Yeah...that's what I thought.

I agree his sex life was no one's business; that he did it in the oval office with an employee, however, probably makes it the govt.'s business, esp. when that employee's silence was bought with a job obtained by the Pres. lawyer prior to the infamous Tripp phone calls. Also, does anyone really think he did not use women for sex while in power :shrug: :rolleyes:

But and in any event, Clinton heightened all of that by sending out his cabinet to perpetutate the lie - Clinton certainly knew what had happened :shrug: That was obstruction of justice pure and simple. I think people should care when people of power use that power to perpetuate a fraud. I mean it was our tax dollars at work there. Think of the good that money could have done. So, he is a cad and a srook for that - there really is no way around that - though many try :laugh: :laugh:

I get that the current administration is horrdendous, but that does not negate Clinton's willfull deception at the cost of the taxpayers - that is a crime. They should be judged on their own merits :shrug:

[estranged4life]

I agree his sex life was no one's business; that he did it in the oval office with an employee

there was no Oval office in the Clinton White House, Just the Oral Office!!!!

Brian "Y.D.M.S." j.

[strandinthewind]

there was no Oval office in the Clinton White House, Just the Oral Office!!!!

Brian "Y.D.M.S." j.

LMAO :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Jason T.]

Lyndon B. Johnson without a doubt. He was the perfect President in my opinion. A fellow Texan, a fellow Democrat, and someone who declined to run for reelection because the country was divided...now there's a American patriot. The Great Society programs and the War On Poverty are just a few highlights of his Administration. I cannot think of anyone more deserving of the title of best president.

[dissention]

Lyndon B. Johnson without a doubt. He was the perfect President in my opinion. A fellow Texan, a fellow Democrat, and someone who declined to run for reelection because the country was divided...now there's a American patriot. The Great Society programs and the War On Poverty are just a few highlights of his Administration. I cannot think of anyone more deserving of the title of best president.

He didn't run because the Democratic party said they wouldn't support him! :laugh:

[Jason T.]

He didn't run because the Democratic party said they wouldn't support him! :laugh:

I'm almost certain he delclined nomination before the party officially said that they would not support him. :p

[amber]

Lyndon B. Johnson without a doubt. He was the perfect President in my opinion. A fellow Texan, a fellow Democrat, and someone who declined to run for reelection because the country was divided...now there's a American patriot. The Great Society programs and the War On Poverty are just a few highlights of his Administration. I cannot think of anyone more deserving of the title of best president.
I've heard about some Shady dealins' with that dude...

[GypsySorcerer]

I've heard about some Shady dealins' with that dude...

I'm not particularly fond of Johnson. While he had his good qualities, I think he and Nixon are more responsible for eroding the American people's trust in the Presidency than anyone.

[Jason T.]

I've heard about some Shady dealins' with that dude...

Yeah, I think we all have. :rolleyes:

I just think that a bunch of negative stuff that has yet to be proven cannot outweigh all the good he did. He's just my favorite President.

[strandinthewind]

He didn't run because the Democratic party said they wouldn't support him! :laugh:

Not to mention a little thing call VIETNAM and the fact that he was a bigger crook than Bush :eek:

But, LBJ at least did do some great thing like the civil rights act.

So, I agree that other than starting a long brewing war on what he knew was a lie - he was a great guy :laugh:

Plus, Lady Bird was FABULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here ais an article on Lyndon ""For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there" Johnson

http://www.fair.org/media-beat/940727.html