Part 2; Tusk Song Survivor [Archive] - Page 2

dissention

08-28-2004, 11:03 AM

As much as I respect Jacob's role as Jeff Probst, he cannot change votes. BC and TEFM were tied with 13 votes apiece. To break the tie, all votes from previous rounds were tallied and TEFM had more. Therefore TEFM was booted, leaving BC in the game. Hawkeye then gave his immunity to BC. If someone has a different take on this with a vote count, I'd be happy to abide. :wavey:

Keep telling yourself that BC is still in the game, you might begin to believe it. :xoxo: :wavey:

jwd

08-28-2004, 11:16 AM

Keep telling yourself that BC is still in the game, you might begin to believe it

Your rhetoric ceases to amaze me. :lol:

dissention

08-28-2004, 11:26 AM

Your rhetoric ceases to amaze me. :lol:

We have something in common after all. :woohoo:

77Rumours77

08-28-2004, 11:27 AM

jwd

08-28-2004, 11:30 AM

OK!! WHO WANTS BC BACK IN THE GAME????????????
Lemme know before 9!

I thought it already was in the game. But since you asked, I'd like to bring "Brown Eyes" back! ;) Can we take a vote on this? PLEASE JACOB!!! :lol:

dissention

08-28-2004, 11:38 AM

jwd

08-28-2004, 11:42 AM

This game should just end, it's beyond ridiculous now.

HEY! THAT'S two things we have in common!!! :woohoo:

77Rumours77

08-28-2004, 11:49 AM

This game should just end, it's beyond ridiculous now.

Hey its 3! I have not enjoyed one bit of this! I think It is time for a new one NOT TUSK! I am really thinking about it. But I have made some good friends here and I don't want to piss em' off. Oh well. If you want this closed just lemme know. CUZ I REALLY DO!

77Rumours77

08-28-2004, 11:51 AM

O i was thinking "Rumours Live" for the next one. Dont worry im not giving up on the Song Survivor series yet.

dissention

08-28-2004, 11:52 AM

77Rumours77

08-28-2004, 11:54 AM

works for me!!!

sodascouts

08-28-2004, 12:01 PM

Hippocampus

08-28-2004, 12:15 PM

Jacob, don't give up! I want to see who wins! But yes the way you are running it - by having people tell you whether or not BC should stay after it's been voted off - is pretty bogus. If you want, we can do that round over.

Or, we can start a new one, with clearly stated rules! A new Tusk one, please. We can't leave it unfinished. If you want I could start a new one for you.

Let's try to come up with a compromise which could suit both warring factions :)

Let's have a "Beautiful Child" vs "That's Enough For Me" round to decide which song gets to stay in the game and resume once the results are tallied and the offender has been eliminated. How does that sound?

Another suggestion would be to completely forget about immunity. So far it has only created mass confusion and disputes. Let the songs stand on their own strength without any crutches :)

sodascouts

08-28-2004, 12:28 PM

Let's try to come up with a compromise which could suit both warring factions :)

Let's have a "Beautiful Child" vs "That's Enough For Me" round to decide which song gets to stay in the game and resume once the results are tallied and the offender has been eliminated. How does that sound?

Another suggestion would be to completely forget about immunity. So far it has only created mass confusion and disputes. Let the songs stand on their own strength without any crutches :)

That also works for me. :)

GypsySorcerer

08-28-2004, 12:37 PM

I could go for a White Album Survivor. ;)

Me too. That would be good.

No point in doing Mirage...that one is too easy. ;)

shackin'up

08-28-2004, 12:42 PM

Come on. I'm hangin'in here over a week now enjoying it tremendously and now guillotine it? That would be sour.

HomerMcvie

08-28-2004, 12:48 PM

Hey its 3! I have not enjoyed one bit of this! I think It is time for a new one NOT TUSK! I am really thinking about it. But I have made some good friends here and I don't want to piss em' off. Oh well. If you want this closed just lemme know. CUZ I REALLY DO!
Jacob, I really think we should finish this game. How about dropping Immunity for the rest of the game, because, as far as I can tell, has been the MAJOR reason for the confusion here(even though I won two of them! :sorry: ) The only other suggestion I would have would be for you to make a QUICK call when there's a tie. It's hard to vote when we don't know what's still in the pool.
Thanks for your work. Let's finish this sucker, and then bury it! :lol:

jwd

08-28-2004, 12:55 PM

by having people tell you whether or not BC should stay after it's been voted off - is pretty bogus.

Oh, did I miss something? I've encouraged someone to come up with a vote count for that round, but no one seems to want to do that. I thought it was 13 to 13. NO? If not, please enlighten me. I'd be content with BC being voted off, if it did indeed get more votes than TEFM. :shrug:

marc402

08-28-2004, 01:10 PM

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 01:20 PM

NO. "Beautiful Child" is immune. That was Hawkeye's original immunity song choice.

I was surprised to see such a huge switch from voting off BC to OO. And what's even stranger are that people are still voting off TEFM. It's already gone! :lol: :wavey:

Hey, buddy, this isn't Florida. Jacob made a ruling to drop BC two days ago. End of story.

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 01:25 PM

I'm sorry I didnt clarify!!!!!!!!! I just got so busy before I knew it!!!!!!!

OK!! WHO WANTS BC BACK IN THE GAME????????????
Lemme know before 9!

Yes I know some people will critisize this, but Its my game. :xoxo:

BULL****! No way is that going to happen. You made a ruling. BC is out. And frankly, I'm not sure I like your coming here late and telling us, "Oh by the way, it's two days of voting on this round. Sorry I forgot to tell you."

Well, I say, sorry, but now you've really screwed up. This is nonsense, and I'm sure deep down you know that.

Let's cut the crap, and start voting at 9 p.m. tonight. This retroactive crap you're trying to pull is unworthy of you and the game. If you are having second thoughts about the ruling you made on BC, I can understand, but you cannot change rules constantly and put songs back in that were already voted out.

jwd

08-28-2004, 01:30 PM

Hey, buddy, this isn't Florida. Jacob made a ruling to drop BC two days ago. End of story.

:rolleyes: :lol: He didn't get the count right. Not like it hasn't happened before. Do you have the count from that round Carne? Surely you'd want every vote to count, especially since you keep harping on Florida. ;)

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 01:34 PM

O i was thinking "Rumours Live" for the next one. Dont worry im not giving up on the Song Survivor series yet.

Dude, you can't be serious about giving up on this, closing this one and then starting something else. You will not have any credibility. There will be too many recriminations and resentment.

Let's cut the crap, and pick up where we left off. Far as I can tell, based on your ruling, BC is out. Also, Over and Over is out because that was the vote as of 9 p.m. yesterday. You were too late in telling us the round would last two days, so any votes cast today should be thrown out. It's the only fair way to handle this.

At 9 p.m. today, the game should resume. By that I mean, it should go forward, not backward with retroactive decisions.

What I'm beginning to suspect here is that some people, and I'm afraid you included, Jacob, are beginning to realize that Stevie's songs don't have a chance of going all the way in this game. And these folks just can't stand it! This board has always been extremely biased in favor of Stevie, and if this game is cancelled or her songs are brought back in unfairly after getting thrown out, it will be undeniable proof of the bias. Tusk is Lindsey's album, and if he wins, that is as it should be. If one of his songs doesn't win, that better be as a result of a fair game, not the hanky panky you're trying to pull.

Jacob, I just defended you vehemently last night for handling this whole game fairly, and I know it hasn't been easy, so please don't prove me wrong now.

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 01:40 PM

:rolleyes: :lol: He didn't get the count right. Not like it hasn't happened before. Do you have the count from that round Carne? Surely you'd want every vote to count, especially since you keep harping on Florida. ;)

I was one of the people who actually bothered to tally the votes to find out he had made a mistake. Did you? Have you done anything besides hurl crap since and try to confuse everybody so you can get your way? I know that's par for the course for such a huge George W. Bush fan, ;) but here we should stick to the rules at hand.

Let's cut the crap and resume the game tonight. No more redos. No BC v. TEFM rounds. No bringing back BC.

If Jacob wants to drop immunity going forward, fine. But let's not completely screw up the game after we've come this far.

HomerMcvie

08-28-2004, 01:43 PM

What I'm beginning to suspect here is that some people, and I'm afraid you included, Jacob, are beginning to realize that Stevie's songs don't have a chance of going all the way in this game. And these folks just can't stand it! This board has always been extremely biased in favor of Stevie, and if this game is cancelled or her songs are brought back in unfairly after getting thrown out, it will be undeniable proof of the bias.
Agree 100%. Moving FORWARD is the only way. Enough backtracking already.
Let's get to the end. :xoxo:

jwd

08-28-2004, 01:43 PM

I was one of the people who actually bothered to tally the votes to find out he had made a mistake.

What was it? :)

shackin'up

08-28-2004, 01:45 PM

sodascouts

08-28-2004, 01:47 PM

BC is out. I can only imagine playing over last round 'cause the choice for immunity was unclear. I'd say, jacob, type the immunity-question, wait for the first reply, confirm which song has immunity and call it a day until you have to count again. No prob, huh?

I suggest that the winner of the immunity challenge must, in the SAME POST as his answer, declare his choice for immunity. Hawkeye's wait (and Homer's change in an earlier round) are unacceptable.

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 01:48 PM

What was it? :)

If you're too lazy to scroll back and reread my posts on that, I'm not in the habit of playing into sloth. ;)

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 01:50 PM

BC is out. I can only imagine playing over last round 'cause the choice for immunity was unclear.

I'm afraid I disagree with that too. Over and Over was roundly defeated. It had not an ice-pop's chance in Hades of making it. Why stall the game again? We're already losing today as a voting day

jwd

08-28-2004, 01:50 PM

I can see this is going nowhere. Enough Mickey Mouse Survivor for me. :wavey:

shackin'up

08-28-2004, 01:57 PM

I suggest that the winner of the immunity challenge must, in the SAME POST as his answer, declare his choice for immunity.

yes I thought about that when i typed it. But then again, that winner can edit it it later and then the **** hits the fan again. Jacob just has to confirm or, if he can't, pass the stick and let someone else do the job. This one is too much fun to abort. Not because of conspiracy of one group but because its great to see how songs are getting to conquer eachother because people arer going to stick together sometimes and it's just very exciting to see when things are going to fall apart. I'm curious if storms and IKINW are going to be fighters f.i. I'll even have to split my own heart to choose between those two.

sodascouts

08-28-2004, 02:01 PM

yes I thought about that when i typed it. But then again, that winner can edit it it later and then the **** hits the fan again. Jacob just has to confirm or, if he can't, pass the stick and let someone else do the job. This one is too much fun to abort. Not because of conspiracy of one group but because its great to see how songs are getting to conquer eachother because people arer going to stick together sometimes and it's just very exciting to see when things are going to fall apart. I'm curious if storms and IKINW are going to be fighters f.i. I'll even have to split my own heart to choose between those two.

Jacob (or whoever takes over) would confirm immediately, taking care of the editing problem.

I do find it acceptable to go back to the BC/TEFM round because the tie-breaker rules were so vague. Jacob must CLEARLY STATE THEM BEFORE THE ROUND BEGINS.

amber

08-28-2004, 02:42 PM

I vote:
A) That we drop immunity all together
B) For Walk a Thin Line
AMber

Mari

08-28-2004, 02:49 PM

about the BC-thing.. don't you guys realise that if it's brought back in the game, it'll be voted out again in the first new round? :p ;)
So what's the difference!

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 03:00 PM

about the BC-thing.. don't you guys realise that if it's brought back in the game, it'll be voted out again in the first new round? :p ;)
So what's the difference!

Excellent point. It's a waste of time. There's only one way to go at this point: Pick up where it was left off last night. BC is out and Over and Over is out. No more messing around.

77Rumours77

08-28-2004, 03:28 PM

OK......
Tonight we will not have a Tribal Counsel, We are going to have a "tie breaker" beween Thats Enough For Me and Beautiful Child. This is should be fair. I will finish this come hell or high water.
OK Let me state the rules new and old..

1. Voting will close at 10 PM east (9cnt) Any votes after that will not be accepted.
2. You will be able to change your vote ONLY IF YOU STATE IN YOUR POST THE SONG YOU PREVIOUSLY VOTED FOR
3. Immunity will no longer be a part of Tusk SS
4. Unless stated other wise Tribal Counsel will happen at 10 PM (give or take 10 min)
5. If you are going to start a conversation PLEASE PUT IN YOU "TITLE" SECTION "No VOTE HERE" Or something to that matter.
6. Please and I cannot stress this enough. Be kind to others. Don't hold a vote against someone. (remember this is a game) O cussing is allowed because adding some colorful language can always be fun :laugh:
7. Vote for the song YOU want to be voted off, not what the masses are doing
8. If and when tribal counsel comes back YOU CANNOT CHANGE YOU IMMUNITY VOTE
9. If you are going out of town and cannot vote, Please contact me and I can work something out with you so you are still a part of the game (I.E. Hawkeye)
10. I said it before, THIAS IS JUST A GAME. Please it is here for you to have a good time.

Thank you for looking and reading this. :xoxo:

Serrart

08-28-2004, 03:33 PM

Excellent point. It's a waste of time. There's only one way to go at this point: Pick up where it was left off last night. BC is out and Over and Over is out. No more messing around.

I think after the massive confusion of the last two rounds, for the sake of clarity, it would be fair to have BC -TEFM challenge, and Over and Over back in the game. In any case, definite rules are really needed. :nod:

Edit: I've just seen Jacob has ruled while I was typing. Thanks! :thumbsup:

Romy

amber

08-28-2004, 03:39 PM

TEFM
AMber

Johnny Stew

08-28-2004, 03:40 PM

Dude, you can't be serious about giving up on this, closing this one and then starting something else. You will not have any credibility. There will be too many recriminations and resentment.

Maybe Jacob's not worried about how he'd look to others.
Otherwise he might have quit posting ages ago. ;)

As far as the point of Stevie's songs having "no chance to win this"... well, it IS balanced more in Lindsey's direction, no?

He has the most songs on the album, and with the carefully calculated voting that you and your buddies are using, Christine's songs are barely left and Stevie's are going out the door right behind them.

So I'm not sure what you're upset about.

Oh, and "Beautiful Child" DOES still belong in the game, because it received less previous votes than "That's Enough For Me," when ALL the votes from ALL the rounds are counted.

If it were the other way around, you'd be the most vocal in criticising Jacob's rulling. ;)

Poor Jacob's nerves must be shot by now. :distress:

Johnny Stew

08-28-2004, 03:45 PM

I love both of the songs in this "runoff," but I love one a little more than the other (big surprise, eh?), so I'm voting off....

"That's Enough For Me."

amber

08-28-2004, 03:46 PM

May I just add, thank god for no more immunity? :thumbsup:
Not that it wasn't a fun, good idea, it just got very complex and boggish downish of the thread. I much prefer old fashioned arguments of "How could you vote for that!!? you suck!!!!!" :laugh:
You're doing a great job, Jacob! :wavey:
Amber

amber

08-28-2004, 03:48 PM

Maybe Jacob's not worried about how he'd look to others.
Otherwise he might have quit posting ages ago. ;)

As far as the point of Stevie's songs having "no chance to win this"... well, it IS balanced more in Lindsey's direction, no?

He has the most songs on the album, and with the carefully calculated voting that you and your buddies are using, Christine's songs are barely left and Stevie's are going out the door right behind them.

So I'm not sure what you're upset about.

Oh, and "Beautiful Child" DOES still belong in the game, because it received less previous votes than "That's Enough For Me," when ALL the votes from ALL the rounds are counted.

If it were the other way around, you'd be the most vocal in criticising Jacob's rulling. ;)

Poor Jacob's nerves must be shot by now. :distress:
Johnny, I'm gonna bring you to task! That's right, i'm tough... :laugh:
You didn't put NO Vote Here in your title as Jacob asked us too..Tsk...and you a moderator... :D :wavey: ;)
AMber

Johnny Stew

08-28-2004, 03:49 PM

Johnny, I'm gonna bring you to task! That's right, i'm tough... :laugh:
You didn't put NO Vote Here in your title as Jacob asked us too..Tsk...and you a moderator... :D :wavey: ;)
AMber

:o

I responded to CarneVaca's post, before I read Jacob's latest.

Sorry Jacob... I'll fix my other post! :) :o

Claudia

08-28-2004, 04:38 PM

That's Enough For Me, not that I don't like it, but it's one of my least favourites and I never skip Beautiful Child.

DeadliestPoison

08-28-2004, 05:01 PM

Runnoff Vote: THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME.

The Tower

08-28-2004, 05:08 PM

If I have to make a choice between two great songs it's gotta be "That's Enough For Me"

GypsySorcerer

08-28-2004, 05:24 PM

That's Enough for Me. Thanks, Jacob...You're doing great!

ontheEdgeof17

08-28-2004, 05:31 PM

Tefm......

dreamongypsydkm

08-28-2004, 05:48 PM

Mine's going to That's Enough For Me.

sodascouts

08-28-2004, 05:51 PM

Beautiful Child.

SAVE THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME!!!!

Hippocampus

08-28-2004, 06:00 PM

Voting off That's Enough For Me

Cristian

08-28-2004, 06:27 PM

Finally I'm getting out of the confusion.

Beautiful Child

gets me vote.

HomerMcvie

08-28-2004, 06:29 PM

NO vote.
BC died. So how can she be in the game? She can't.
Waffling.

amber

08-28-2004, 06:41 PM

Beautiful Child
Don't let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya! :cool:
Wait, are you anthropomorph-whatever BC? You think the song actually has a butt? Or were you talking about an exceptionally long break in the lyrics? :confused: :laugh: If you gave the song "the finger", would it give it back? :confused:
AMber

thepoetinmyhear

08-28-2004, 07:37 PM

That's Enough for me and thank you so much for establishing some clear rules and running such an exciting game (it was enough to drag me out of lurker mode).

Michael

HomerMcvie

08-28-2004, 07:38 PM

Wait, are you anthropomorph-whatever BC? You think the song actually has a butt?
Well, it reminds me of butt :laugh:
[/QUOTE] Or were you talking about an exceptionally long break in the lyrics?[/QUOTE]

My favorite break in the lyrics is the final one.
[/QUOTE] If you gave the song "the finger", would it give it back?[/QUOTE]

One can only hope, although I don't feel it's appropriate for a child to be giving the finger.
HOmer :xoxo:

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 07:41 PM

OK......
Tonight we will not have a Tribal Counsel, We are going to have a "tie breaker" beween Thats Enough For Me and Beautiful Child. This is should be fair. I will finish this come hell or high water.
OK Let me state the rules new and old..

Yo, bull****!!!!

What about the people in Europe? This is total ****, man. No way is this fair.

It's just as I thought. YOU ARE BIASED JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER CHIFFON HEADS WHO CAN'T STAND IT THAT LINDSEY WAS LOOKING MUCH BETTER IN THIS CAME THAN STEVIE.

This game is crap. Have it your way.

I sure as hell ain't voting on this Mickey Mouse runoff and I am going to advise people not to do so as well. You're invalidating two rounds with one stupid-ass decision. Man, stand up behind your decisions. You ruled Beautiful Child was out. Now you're coming in after it's bedtime in Europe with this pathetic runoff. You can't possibly be serious.

You know what? Take the game and do with it as you please. In fact, end the farce now. Just give the whole thing to Stevie. Bring back Sara and make it the winning song.

What a crock. Jacob, Hawkeye was right about one thing. You are easily swayed. He was just wrong about who is swaying you.

Have fun.

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 07:44 PM

That's Enough for me and thank you so much for establishing some clear rules and running such an exciting game (it was enough to drag me out of lurker mode).

Michael

Yeah, so exciting, yay! And you got an account just so you could vote right? Who are you really?

It's not much of a game anymore. It's just a farse now that the Chiffon heads are just going to have a cluster you-know-what about which Stevie song should win.

MAKE THE FARCE COMPLETE!!! BRING BACK SARA!!

Dulcimer

08-28-2004, 07:55 PM

Yeah, so exciting, yay! And you got an account just so you could vote right? Who are you really?

It's not much of a game anymore. It's just a farse now that the Chiffon heads are just going to have cluster you-know-what about which Stevie song should win.

MAKE THE FARSE COMPLETE!!! BRING BACK SARA!!

I agree. I'm not voting eithe and I am bowing out of this game as well. If Rumours77 wants to play a joke on all of us and pretend he is impartial and fair, then let the people who agree with him on in this whole charade enjoy themselves silly.

I have had a great time casting my votes and playing this game, but now this is not fun anymore. What we have is a couple of people acting like three year olds -- Hawkeye and JWD -- and Rumours77 apparently being unable or unwilling to stand up to them. Having this stupid runoff so late in the day, which prevents people in Europe from voting, is about the most stupid and unfair thing I've ever seen.

Rumours77, what are you afraid of really? Why would you go back two rounds and prolong this thing, especially when you are reversing yourself on the Beautiful Child decision? Now you're invalidating yesterday's round too, so Over and Over is back on.

I agree, bring back Sara since this game is so broken now that it would be a complete joke to keep playing it. I don't tend to get involved too often in fights on this board, and I won't start now, but I have to say this is pretty disgusting.

It's too bad, because we were having a lot of fun.

Carne is right in saying this is a farse because that is exactly what it is. He's right:

COMPLETE THE FARSE AND BRING BACK SARA

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 07:58 PM

I agree, bring back Sara since this game is so broken now that it would be a complete joke to keep playing it. I don't tend to get involved too often in fights on this board, and I won't start now, but I have to say this is pretty disgusting.

It's too bad, because we were having a lot of fun.

Carne is right in saying this is a farse because that is exactly what it is. He's right:

COMPLETE THE FARCE AND BRING BACK SARA

INDEED, WHAT A JOKE. MAKE THE FARCE COMPLETE. BRING BACK SARA

xdreamsunwindx

08-28-2004, 08:15 PM

That's Enough For Me.

-Kate

thepoetinmyhear

08-28-2004, 08:20 PM

Well, first thank you very much for your kind welcome.

As for who I am, My name is Michael and I've been a fan since about the Street Angel era (a little after actually, it was when Stevie played live in Boston in '96). I have been on the Enchanted mailing list since 1997 and a member here for a little over a year although I have obviously just been lurking in that time until I saw my favorite stevie song (beautiful child) about to be voted off and I tried to vote (too late). Now I have an opportunity to vote again thanks to Jacob's decision.

So, I'm sorry I voted, but I hope my decision to start voting in the game doesn't drive you away simply because I'm a Fleetwood Mac fan that enjoys Stevie's tusk songs (If this were Tango it would be a different story, but the Tango Survivor wasn't nearly as close a competition involving my favorite songs). Again please don't let my vote drive you away. I think perhaps just a second group that favors Stevie's tusk songs has started voting strategically much like a similiar group voted strategically to keep Lindsey's song at the beginning of the game. If it will help I will not vote anymore. Sorry.

Michael

ryan8472

08-28-2004, 08:26 PM

Grow up guys. Geez :rolleyes: .....

I vote for TEFM in the tiebreaker.

EnchantedSLN

08-28-2004, 08:47 PM

That's Enough For Me.

sodascouts

08-28-2004, 08:47 PM

I agree. I'm not voting eithe and I am bowing out of this game as well.

Come on guys, quit the temper tantrums. It's not the end of the world. And your bailing is sabotaging the chance of my favorite song staying - so the "chiffon heads" are crying no tears over your decision to withdraw. More like high-fiving that they've driven the biggest Lindsey supporters away. I, however, am quite dismayed and disappointed! Perhaps you could reconsider?

77Rumours77

08-28-2004, 09:27 PM

Yo, bull****!!!!

What about the people in Europe? This is total ****, man. No way is this fair.

It's just as I thought. YOU ARE BIASED JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER CHIFFON HEADS WHO CAN'T STAND IT THAT LINDSEY WAS LOOKING MUCH BETTER IN THIS CAME THAN STEVIE.

This game is crap. Have it your way.

I sure as hell ain't voting on this Mickey Mouse runoff and I am going to advise people not to do so as well. You're invalidating two rounds with one stupid-ass decision. Man, stand up behind your decisions. You ruled Beautiful Child was out. Now you're coming in after it's bedtime in Europe with this pathetic runoff. You can't possibly be serious.

You know what? You silly chiffon heads can have it. Take the game and do with it as you please. In fact, end the farse now. Just give the whole thing to Stevie. Bring back Sara and make it the winning song.

What a crock. Jacob, Hawkeye was right about one thing. You are easily swayed. He was just wrong about who is swaying you.

Have fun.

OK GODDAMN IT!!!!!!
I said tonight! That gives the rest of the world to help fix this mistake! I am sorry if this game Has not been played to your likings and I don't need to be harassed about the decisions I make concerning this game. IT IS A GAME! I thought I made that clear!!!!

CarneVaca this is not just to you! This is to everyone who thinks it is your purgative to throw comments about how this game is played. I am going to ask once. If you don't like how it is played PLEASE LEAVE! This game is not fun for me, But I am not giving up!

Sorry I needed to vent!

77Rumours77

08-28-2004, 09:28 PM

Vote for the one that should officailly leave...

Beautiful Child of Thats enough for me..
This will help put the gmae back in order! :wavey:

GateandGarden

08-28-2004, 09:30 PM

In that case, I'm voting for "That's Enough for Me."

Hillary

77Rumours77

08-28-2004, 09:31 PM

**** I jsut read people we voting before. Well its going to happen again! Sorry :sorry:

Patti

08-28-2004, 09:36 PM

Jacob, I'm sorry this has turned into such a nightmare for you. It seems to have devolved into the worst sort of Stevie vs. Lindsey stuff, which really is sad, as this is just a game.

I try to vote for songs in the order of my like/dislike, without regard to whether they are Stevie or Lindsey or Chris songs. To that end, in this run-off vote, I choose That's Enough For Me to go. Even though I am primarily a Lindsey fan, I like Beautiful Child better.

But I really, really, really wish Save Me A Place would go. :)

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 09:44 PM

So, I'm sorry I voted, but I hope my decision to start voting in the game doesn't drive you away simply because I'm a Fleetwood Mac fan that enjoys Stevie's tusk songs (If this were Tango it would be a different story, but the Tango Survivor wasn't nearly as close a competition involving my favorite songs).

You don't owe me an apology. I owe you one. Sorry. I shouldn't have vented at you. And I am dropping out not because of you, but because I've lost faith in the person running the game, who obviously lacks the stuff to stick by his decisions.

77Rumours77

08-28-2004, 09:47 PM

You don't owe me an apology. I owe you one. Sorry. I shouldn't have vented at you. And I am dropping out not because of you, but because I've lost faith in the person running the game, who obviously lacks the stuff to stick by his decisions.

Well....... Goodbye! Don't let the door hit ya ass on the way out! :mad:

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 09:50 PM

CarneVaca this is not just to you! This is to everyone who thinks it is your purgative to throw comments about how this game is played. I am going to ask once. If you don't like how it is played PLEASE LEAVE! This game is not fun for me, But I am not giving up!

Too late. I already made the decision to leave this game. This game is a crock. You are changing rules to manipulate the outcome. I wonder just exactly what is going on here, how much communication you had with the chiffon heads who obviously got you to reverse yourself yet again.

You have made mistake after mistake. You seem unable to even count, for crying out loud. You have no credibility left in this game. You should excuse yourself and hand it over to someone who has credibility, organization skill and impartiality, someone like Sodascouts.

This game is a farce, and its future outcome has already been tainted by what is either incompetence on your part or a basic lack of a sense of fairness and fortitude.

Outside of that, you're a good dude, and I'll be glad to interact with you on other threads. But you suck at running this thing.

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 09:51 PM

Vote for the one that should officailly leave...

Beautiful Child of Thats enough for me..
This will help put the gmae back in order! :wavey:

No, it won't. It's a farce. Why don't you just tell everybody which song you want to win? Why don't you just bring back Sara to make the farce complete?

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 09:52 PM

**** I jsut read people we voting before. Well its going to happen again! Sorry :sorry:

See what I mean? You can't keep track. Step out and let someone who can take over.

77Rumours77

08-28-2004, 10:04 PM

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 10:09 PM

Didnt you say you were leaving?????

Yes, I said I'm leaving the game, but evidently two thirds of what happens in this thread has little to do with casting votes.

Don't tell me how to run a game!!! I have done Rumours, Bella Donna, adn TITN without any problems! So you have no right to accuse me of stupid **** like that?

Someone needs to tell you how to run the game, so it might as well be me. And I do have the right to point out that you have made some pretty stupid mistakes. A few posts back you had to correct yourself yet again. And frankly, even in correcting yourself you didn't make yourself clear. When exactly is the runoff round running until? You have yet to articulate that. People started voting once again before it was clear what was going on. So I'm not accusing you of anything. I am pointing out the reality. And, evidently, the truth hurts.

What this game needs is an impartial observer to set things straight, and since I'm no longer a player, I might as well play that role.

Please leave your comments to yourself!

I'm sure you'd like that. But no, not gonna happen. Consider me the commentator, like the sports announcers on TV.

77Rumours77

08-28-2004, 10:14 PM

Fine. How about I make YOU happy and piss the other "chiffon heads" off. :mad: :eek:

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 10:24 PM

I'm sure you'd like that. But no, not gonna happen. Consider me the commentator, like the sports announcers on TV.

Actually, I like that idea a lot. I'll keep a running commentary on the game. Tainted as it is, it will need someone to keep it honest. Here's my first report:

As of now, it seems the game has once again fallen into complete disarray. Jacob has now voided yet another round, this time to save Beautiful Child from the grips of oblivion. Sources tell me he caved to pressure from the Stevie fans who, having lost Sara early on, were out for blood when Beautiful Child lost fair and square, and decided to do everything they could in their power, even voting in absentia through the man running the game himself (!!) to reverse the fortunes of Stevie's songs and manipulate the outcome to their liking.

It is unclear at this point, since Jacob has failed to articulate it, whether the Over and Over round is invalidated too. It is complete mayhem, dear listeners. No one seems to know which way is north and right from left. Jacob's rulings have been so odd and inconsistent that a fair number of players have lost confidence in his ability to run the game and have started to drop out. And who can blame them? So it appears that the Stevie fans who pushed so hard to sway the game their way will prevail after all, but it will be a tainted victory, of that there is no doubt.

So, dear listeners, we await further word from Jacob on just what is going on. Is the Beautiful Child v. That's Enough For Me round still on or did it expire at 9 Eastern? If so, this poses very serious questions because the European players never had a chance to vote in the runoff. But if it is still on, when will it end? And does that mean the Over and Over round is voided too since the game has now regressed two rounds backward? And will there be a regular round concurrent with the runoff round?

Too many questions. Not enough answers, dear listeners. We remain baffled by this odd, and questionable, turn of events.

Signing off, this is CarneVaca, yours, reporting from the Ledge.

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 10:25 PM

Fine. How about I make YOU happy and piss the other "chiffon heads" off. :mad: :eek:

If you're interested in making me happy, the solution is simple: Validate the Beautiful Child and Over and Over rounds, and resume the game. Nothing short of that will make me happy.

77Rumours77

08-28-2004, 10:30 PM

No beacuse OVER & OVER was voted out FAIRLY and BC was unfairly!

Dulcimer

08-28-2004, 10:36 PM

Come on guys, quit the temper tantrums. It's not the end of the world. And your bailing is sabotaging the chance of my favorite song staying - so the "chiffon heads" are crying no tears over your decision to withdraw. More like high-fiving that they've driven the biggest Lindsey supporters away. I, however, am quite dismayed and disappointed! Perhaps you could reconsider?

Sodascouts, it's not a tantrum. I just agree with CarneVaca that the person running the game, no offense, but he can't really be trusted anymore to run it fairly and properly. Sorry, it was a lot of fun up till now. There was a lot of strategy that made the game exciting. It was even fun when songs I wanted to keep were lost because the game was so dynamic.

I don't have as much time as some to post on these boards all the time, but I was making it a point to drop by everyday to see how it was going and to cast my vote. Now my heart is not in it. I know Carne likes controversy, but I can't help thinking he is right on this one. Jacob's made too many mistakes. Who's to say there won't be more? All the mistakes are making me lose interest in what song wins. I just don't care that much about it, unless somehow the game is salvaged from the mess that it became.

Maybe someone else should take over, or someone should start an alternate Tusk Surivor game. This one is broken, big time.

TISL

08-28-2004, 10:39 PM

I vote for THAT'S ENOUGH FOR ME to leave...

Dulcimer

08-28-2004, 10:42 PM

No beacuse OVER & OVER was voted out FAIRLY and BC was unfairly!

I'm not trying to be harsh, but this doesn't make any sense at all to me. How can you go back to the Beautiful Child round and still keep the results of the Over and Over round? Don't you think that if the results of the Beautiful Child round are changed now because of this runoff, which I think is a really bad idea, it puts all the results of the Over and Over round in question? Don't you see that if TEFM had been voted off in the Beautiful Child before that the next song off would probably have been Beautiful Child and NOT Over and Over?

If you go back and look at previous results, you will see that a song that got a lot of votes in one round but did not get voted off was immediately voted off in the next round, which makes sense because the players would keep voting for it until it's out. Now by redoing the BC round and keeping the Over and Over round you are doing something very unnatural that not only makes the Over and Over round very questionable but also has repercussions for future rounds. I don't see how you can carry on this game fairly after redoing the BC round.

But anyway, I'm out, and before you remind me of that, I will take my leave of this thread. Unlike Carne, I won't stick around to do commentary although I do think I will check in periodically if his commentary is as hilarious as the first report he filed already.

77Rumours77

08-28-2004, 10:43 PM

Actually, I like that idea a lot. I'll keep a running commentary on the game. Tainted as it is, it will need someone to keep it honest. Here's my first report:

As of now, it seems the game has once again fallen into complete disarray. Jacob has now voided yet another round, this time to save Beautiful Child from the grips of oblivion. Sources tell me he caved to pressure from the Stevie fans who, having lost Sara early on, were out for blood when Beautiful Child lost fair and square, and decided to do everything they could in their power, even voting in absentia through the man running the game himself (!!) to reverse the fortunes of Stevie's songs and manipulate the outcome to their liking.

It is unclear at this point, since Jacob has failed to articulate it, whether the Over and Over round is invalidated too. It is complete mayhem, dear listeners. No one seems to know which way is north and right from left. Jacob's rulings have been so odd and inconsistent that a fair number of players have lost confidence in his ability to run the game and have started to drop out. And who can blame them? So it appears that the Stevie fans who pushed so hard to sway the game their way will prevail after all, but it will be a tainted victory, of that there is no doubt.

So, dear listeners, we await further word from Jacob on just what is going on. Is the Beautiful Child v. That's Enough For Me round still on or did it expire at 9 Eastern? If so, this poses very serious questions because the European players never had a chance to vote in the runoff. But if it is still on, when will it end? And does that mean the Over and Over round is voided too since the game has now regressed two rounds backward? And will there be a regular round concurrent with the runoff round?

Too many questions. Not enough answers, dear listeners. We remain baffled by this odd, and questionable, turn of events.

Signing off, this is CarneVaca, yours, reporting from the Ledge.

OK, Well unlike you not everyone on this earth has the free time to fix there mistakes and slosh throught all of your ranting that dont contain votes! So ya know what keep up with your comments PLZ! :mad:

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 10:51 PM

How can you go back to the Beautiful Child round and still keep the results of the Over and Over round? Don't you think that if the results of the Beautiful Child round are changed now because of this runoff, which I think is a really bad idea, it puts all the results of the Over and Over round in question? Don't you see that if TEFM had been voted off in the Beautiful Child before that the next song off would probably have been Beautiful Child and NOT Over and Over?

Good points. Jacob is taking the "back to the future" approach to running the game. Or like in "It's a Wonderful Life," you know when the angel shows the Jimmy Stewart character what life would have been for others if he hadn't existed. Now here we have a situation in which we are supposed to go back in time but let a future dimension, i.e., the Over and Over round, somehow stand untouched, something that would have been unquestionably impossible in a quantum-leap kind of situation.

Besides, Jacob, I find it very odd that you have called your own decision on BC "unfair." So are we to believe that you can be fair now? You say you made an unfair decision, but you want to retain credibility as you stumble forward with this game? :shrug:

77Rumours77

08-28-2004, 10:56 PM

Good points. Jacob is taking the "back to the future" approach to running the game. Or like in "It's a Wonderful Life," you know when the angel shows the Jimmy Stewart character what life would have been for others if he hadn't existed. Now here we have a situation in which we are supposed to go back in time but let a future dimension, i.e., the Over and Over round, somehow stand untouched, something that would have been unquestionably impossible in a quantum-leap kind of situation.

Besides, Jacob, I find it very odd that you have called your own decision on BC "unfair." So are we to believe that you can be fair now? You say you made an unfair decision, but you want to retain credibility as you stumble forward with this game? :shrug:

Keep 'em coming!!!!!! I love how none of the "chiffon heads" have sadi anything? Or if you think I am siding with them, How come I am in this by myself????? You tell me. NO you finish this game...

I OFFICALLY GIVE UP!

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 10:57 PM

So ya know what keep up with your comments PLZ! :mad:

I intend to. My second report:

The wait continues.

As the midnight hour approaches, Jacob has yet to clarify how long the controversial, and some say unfair, BC runoff round will last. It remains unclear whether players outside of the North America will have a chance to cast their votes. As it is, with some players vowing to bow out of the tainted game in protest, the future of this competition looks murky at best.

As of now, the votes for dropping That's Enough For Me far outnumber those for Beautiful Child. And since this runoff was concocted to run while non-North American players, who earlier cast votes for Beautiful Child, are unable to vote, one wonders if the timing wasn't intended to keep them out and assure a victory for the supporters of Beautiful Child.

Indeed, suspicion runs rampant and questions remain. But no word from the man running the show.

Reporting from The Ledge, this is CarneVaca, yours, signing off.

77Rumours77

08-28-2004, 11:00 PM

I intend to. My second report:

The wait continues.

As the midnight hour approaches, Jacob has yet to clarify how long the controversial, and some say unfair, BC runoff round will last. It remains unclear whether players outside of the North America will have a chance to cast their votes. As it is, with some players vowing to bow out of the tainted game in protest, the future of this competition looks murky at best.

As of now, the votes for dropping That's Enough For Me far outnumber those for Beautiful Child. And since this runoff was concocted to run while non-North American players, who earlier cast votes for Beautiful Child, are unable to vote, one wonders if the timing wasn't intended to keep them out and assure a victory for the supporters of Beautiful Child.

Indeed, suspicion runs rampant and questions remain. But no word from the man running the show.

Reporting from The Ledge, this is CarneVaca, yours, signing off.

Who are you trying to impress?????? Because as much as you think your funny, your not. I could of sworn you said you were leaving.

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 11:01 PM

This just in: The future of Tusk Survivor stands uncertain. Jacob has declared that he is stepping out.

I OFFICALLY GIVE UP!, he declared.

What will happen next? Will this game go down as a failed experiment in cyber competition? Or will someone step in to finish this race?

Stay tuned.

CarneVaca

08-28-2004, 11:02 PM

Who are you trying to impress?????? Because as much as you think your funny, your not. I could of sworn you said you were leaving.

I said I was leaving the game, not the thread. Besides, didn't you just step down?

77Rumours77

08-28-2004, 11:04 PM

This just in: The future of Tusk Survivor stands uncertain. Jacob has declared that he is stepping out.

, he declared.

What will happen next? Will this game go down as a failed experiment in cyber competition? Or will someone step in to finish this race?

Stay tuned.

O I have givin up on this thread, But there is still a hope for others. I have enjoyed doing this. And I hope that you will be a part of the next one becasue really it wouldnt be a survivor game with out your negativity

sodascouts

08-28-2004, 11:14 PM

O I have givin up on this thread, But there is still a hope for others. I have enjoyed doing this. And I hope that you will be a part of the next one becasue really it wouldnt be a survivor game with out your negativity

Are you adverse to someone starting a new one?

77Rumours77

08-28-2004, 11:21 PM

Are you adverse to someone starting a new one?

Not the tusk one. Untill then I would like to think about starting a new one, I am really looking into doing a LIVE one ore maybe and album that wasnt soo long!

ryan8472

08-28-2004, 11:24 PM

Not the tusk one. Untill then I would like to think about starting a new one, I am really looking into doing a LIVE one ore maybe and album that wasnt soo long!

Do The Wild Heart!!! :blob2:

sodascouts

08-28-2004, 11:31 PM

I may take over then. I'd like to start over from the beginning, though. Would people find that too tiresome?

rezamatic

08-28-2004, 11:34 PM

I would like to the first to campaign to be the new host of "Tusk" survivor. We'd pick up where we left off, BEFORE the whole Beatiful Child/That's Enough For Me fiasco. Now, I don't want to seem like a jerk walking in on Jacob's role, so if anyone is opposed to this (and I PM'd 77Rumours77 right off the bat about this), let me know and I won't bother. Until then, I'll work up a draft for revised rules and post it - and see what people think. The key is simplicity and organization, really.

After the "Tusk" one is finished, then I'll hand it right back over if he wants to take it back, no problemo. I'd just hate to see this all go to waste due to some problems developing midway.

77Rumours77

08-28-2004, 11:39 PM

Do The Wild Heart!!! :blob2:

good idea, I'll start that one tonight.

Johnny Stew

08-29-2004, 12:04 AM

77Rumours77

08-29-2004, 12:25 AM

Wow, I was going to comment that CarneVaca really went off the deep end tonight. Aggressively attacking poor Jacob, and complaining loudly about "Chiffon Heads" taking over the game. After he had vehemently lobbied for recounts in the past, and then purposely overlooked the fact that "That's Enough For Me" had more votes in ALL previous rounds, than "Beautiful Child."

Talk about "sour grapes"!

But then, of course, I remembered that it's just "all in good humour" when good ol' CV says something, so.... :wavey:

You did a good job, Jacob. Sometimes I was disappointed because I felt you caved-in too quickly to the demands of the Tusk-Heads ( ;) ), but I realized you were just doing your best to try to stay as fair as possible.

Too bad folks turned on you so quickly when they didn't get their way 100% of the time though. :shocked: ;)

At any rate... it's all in good fun, folks! Never forget that. :D

Thank You :wavey:

Good to know someone came to my back!!!!! :]
But this should really not be about Stevie vs Lindsey, Its not like I posted Wild Heard survivor in the Lindsey board!! God, This is just a game. CV please take a "chill pill" (can't believe I said that ewww, I need a shower now :lol: ) and cool down, If you did not like the way I was running the tread you could of PM'd me instead of humiliating me. But I just read the "what the hell is going on thread" and I see that you can't help that, Sorry...

77Rumours77

08-29-2004, 12:27 AM

Isn't it weird that someones Screen Name is bn used as an insult during this game? Sad :(

Nightbird_Brett

08-29-2004, 02:23 AM

Jacob,
I just want to say that I think you've been doing a fantastic job of running the Survivor threads. I'd also like to encourage you not to let Carne and others get you to step down from this Tusk one. Let him ramble as he does and show him that you're going to stick with it till the end. If you really want to step down, that's cool. I just had to tell you that you're doing a great job! Keep it up! Most of us have your back and are having a blast with this game.

I find it interesting that earlier in the thread Carne was defending you and telling someone that they were being too harsh on you. Then, when things don't go his way, he clearly insults, demeans, and harasses you. I didn't think we were supposed to do that to each other in here. He owes you an apology...but don't count on that happening. He's not a big enough man.

OK...I'm done with my ramble. Just had to throw in my two cents and show my support for Jacob.

shackin'up

08-29-2004, 02:51 AM

No beacuse OVER & OVER was voted out FAIRLY and BC was unfairly!

Sorry Jacob, but you must know That i wouldn't have voted Over & over if BC was still in the game. It's that simple. It's the way the game works. Now I don't think there's conspiracy and I really think Carne's Paranoia is out of this league. But I agree that gaming with this Survivor costs a lot of time and energy. And it was fun to play it with strategy. I back out of the game too, because I think that replay an "in between" round ruins the game.

I don't point fingers but my fun is gone. Tusk is the best album ever recorded by anyone. And therefore it's a pity that my vote will not be seen anymore in this thread.

It's gonna be predictable I think. Storms wins. well. I can live with that ;)

sodascouts

08-29-2004, 02:57 AM

I think we're gonna re-do this whole sucker and get it RIGHT. More news tomorrow.

Hippocampus

08-29-2004, 04:24 AM

Yeah, so exciting, yay! And you got an account just so you could vote right? Who are you really?

Now this coming from you is especially hilarious... In the end though, it's really NoThatFunny :rolleyes:

tynan88

08-29-2004, 04:49 AM

I think the next time this is tried, we need to keep the posts to a minimal, with just the vote being in the post and not much else, and then if you have something to say write a spearate post with "No Vote" in it to make sure votes are easily readably. This is a really fun game and can be even funner if just some simple courtesy are kept. :nod:

Tynan

Mari

08-29-2004, 05:48 AM

:shocked:

umm..

Drugs Are Great.

can we close the thread now? ;)
Just another ledgie who's had enough.

Claudia

08-29-2004, 06:20 AM

I think we're gonna re-do this whole sucker and get it RIGHT. More news tomorrow.

Good idea, Nancy! A fresh start with explicit rules might be better... I was lost here... :distress:

ryan8472

08-29-2004, 09:25 AM

Good idea, Nancy! A fresh start with explicit rules might be better...

...Perhaps no immunity? ;) Seriously, things get ugly when immunitys are issued.

jwd

08-29-2004, 09:35 AM

What was that, the exorcism of Sybil? Scary, real scary!

CarneVaca, you owe Jacob an apology. He didn't deserve to be talked to like that. That was harrassment if I've ever seen it. Sure he made mistakes in the game, but they were honest ones. He was never cheating, unlike some of the bullying tactics you used, wanting to move along with rounds that were done wrong, in your favor. His intentions were good and really wanted to have fun with the game. I know there were a few times I laughed so hard I had tears rolling down my face. In my eyes the one who's lost the most credibility in this game is YOU!

Jacob, I'm truly sorry you had to experience that last night, it was totally uncalled for. :wavey:

dissention

08-29-2004, 09:40 AM

I'm afraid I disagree with that too. Over and Over was roundly defeated. It had not an ice-pop's chance in Hades of making it. Why stall the game again? We're already losing today as a voting day

I just laughed out loud. :lol:

dissention

08-29-2004, 09:58 AM

My word, I go to Cape Cod and this place goes to hell in a handbasket. :laugh:

A few thoughts:

1. Beautiful Child and Over and Over are gone. They went the way of the dinosaurs, folks. If you want to listen to them, go ahead, but they were voted out. I think it's a tad tiresome to invalidate a vote that's based on a previously invalidated vote, which now makes the current vote a run-off vote because of an invalidated vote. :p

2. Two different people should be in charge of tallying the votes to be sure that there are no miscounted votes. It's happened way too many times in this game and throws everything off.

3. The current run-off is a waste of time, IMO.

4. It's no suprise that Stevie fans want a Stevie song to win this, just as it's no surprise that Lindsey fans want a Lindsey song to win this. There's no use in arguing over it because it's just common knowledge, but I guess it just gives us more stuff to bloviate over. :laugh:

5. I have no problem with Nancy being in charge.

6. If, in fact, this game is done, I would like to nominate Save Me A Place as the winner by default. ;)

:wavey:

CarneVaca

08-29-2004, 10:38 AM

I may take over then. I'd like to start over from the beginning, though. Would people find that too tiresome?

I'm torn on that. This one is so tarnished that resuming it is inevitably going to piss off some folks. On the other hand, starting a new one wastes all the effort that was put into the other one.

CarneVaca

08-29-2004, 10:44 AM

I find it interesting that earlier in the thread Carne was defending you and telling someone that they were being too harsh on you. Then, when things don't go his way, he clearly insults, demeans, and harasses you. I didn't think we were supposed to do that to each other in here. He owes you an apology...but don't count on that happening. He's not a big enough man.

You're lucky that I have two strikes, or I would tell you exactly what I think of your "not big enough man" comment. I could squash like a bug verbally. Instead, I will do what I do with most bugs -- ignore them. I have proven that I am not above apologizing when I screw up. Ask the new guy, Michael.

If anyone owes anyone an apology here, it is you to me, and Jacob to me and everybody else for f*cking up the game royally.

CarneVaca

08-29-2004, 10:46 AM

Now this coming from you is especially hilarious... In the end though, it's really NoThatFunny :rolleyes:

Whatever your problem is, you should see someone about that.

CarneVaca

08-29-2004, 10:49 AM

What was that, the exorcism of Sybil? Scary, real scary!

CarneVaca, you owe Jacob an apology. He didn't deserve to be talked to like that. That was harrassment if I've ever seen it.

If it was harassment, rest assured the folks who run this board will penalize me for it. And you won't have to deal with me anymore because I'll be gone. That should make some of you happy.

I owe no one an apology. The person whom I attacked unfairly already has received my apology. And that wasn't Jacob. He owes me an apology, if anything.

I know there were a few times I laughed so hard I had tears rolling down my face. In my eyes the one who's lost the most credibility in this game is YOU!

Considering your political leanings, I view that as a compliment. Thank you.

Sugar

08-29-2004, 10:55 AM

The whole "all previous rounds" vs, "previous round" thing is news to me. I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just news to me. I don't watch Survivor on TV so I don't know how it's played. When this came up earlier in this game and I posted "It was my impression that the tie-breaker is whoever got the most voted in the previous round", no one corrected me, so it's not hard for me to understand why people thought this was the rule. I sure did.

I actually thought immunity worked fine, it was only when the previous count was questioned that it got confusing. I got immunity twice and it was fine both times, so maybe I should just pick immunity for every round.

Just kidding. :D

As far as "manuvering" there are plenty of examples to go around. I don't think anyone should be pointing fingers at any one else in this regard.

Frankly I think we should start over. Get the rules straight; a lot was learned from this failed experiment. I really think using the "poll" function would work the best since we wouldn't be subject to human error. Tusk has too many songs, I know, so maybe we could do Lindsey's songs first then Chris', then Stevie's and come up with their 3 best songs or something and then use them in a final poll. :shrug:

If we continue doing it this way, there should be something in the subject line. Maybe something as simple as NV or even just an X.

Just another Ledgie's opinion... :wavey:

77Rumours77

08-29-2004, 11:08 AM

You're lucky that I have two strikes, or I would tell you exactly what I think of your "not big enough man" comment. I could squash like a bug verbally. Instead, I will do what I do with most bugs -- ignore them. I have proven that I am not above apologizing when I screw up. Ask the new guy, Michael.

If anyone owes anyone an apology here, it is you to me, and Jacob to me and everybody else for f*cking up the game royally.

If you were on fire I wouldn't piss on you to put the fire out let alone apologize to you! :mad:
This was not your game and the screw up I made I admitinted them, Really "the big enough man" here is not you! Like I said your are no impressing anyone but yourself. You just crying because this game didnt go your way! So please sit back and SHUT THE **** UP :mad:
This has nothing to do with other. Just me so dont bring them into this!

Serrart

08-29-2004, 11:09 AM

Jacob, thanks a lot for the game and all the time and work you put in it. Please go on with all the Survivor challenges you want, I find them funny and will keep playing them.

A couple of other things:
I think Nancy would do a terrific job with a Tusk Survivor. :nod:

Carne, I'm impressed by your talent as drama queen. You reminded me a bit Liz Taylor in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf. :thumbsup: ;)

Romy

jwd

08-29-2004, 11:10 AM

77Rumours77

08-29-2004, 11:15 AM

1. Voting will close at 10 PM east (9cnt) Any votes after that will not be accepted.
2. You will be able to change your vote ONLY IF YOU STATE IN YOUR POST THE SONG YOU PREVIOUSLY VOTED FOR
3. Immunity will no longer be a part of Tusk SS
4. Unless stated other wise Tribal Counsel will happen at 10 PM (give or take 10 min)
5. If you are going to start a conversation PLEASE PUT IN YOU "TITLE" SECTION "No VOTE HERE" Or something to that matter.
6. Please and I cannot stress this enough. Be kind to others. Don't hold a vote against someone. (remember this is a game) O cussing is allowed because adding some colorful language can always be fun :laugh:
7. Vote for the song YOU want to be voted off, not what the masses are doing
8. If and when tribal counsel comes back YOU CANNOT CHANGE YOU IMMUNITY VOTE
9. If you are going out of town and cannot vote, Please contact me and I can work something out with you so you are still a part of the game (I.E. Hawkeye)
10. I said it before, THIAS IS JUST A GAME. Please it is here for you to have a good time.

Sugar

08-29-2004, 11:16 AM

Completely understandable. But in defense of why you weren't questioned on that, in that particular case, was that the tie breaker happened in round 2, meaning there was only one round to go back to.

And I agree that a complete set of rules needs to be posted before the next game begins, probably modeled after the real Survivor. :wavey:

Fair enough. All the more reason for clarification... :wavey:

CarneVaca

08-29-2004, 11:18 AM

If you were on fire I wouldn't piss on you to put the fire out let alone apologize to you! :mad:
This was not your game and the screw up I made I admitinted them, Really "the big enough man" here is not you! Like I said your are no impressing anyone but yourself. You just crying because this game didnt go your way! So please sit back and SHUT THE **** UP :mad:
This has nothing to do with other. Just me so dont bring them into this!

Not really sure what you're saying here. Something about pissing on fires, or whatever. I would suggest you not get too close to the flames if you are exposing yourself like that. ;)

As for shutting the **** up, don't count on it.

sodascouts

08-29-2004, 11:22 AM

77Rumours77

08-29-2004, 11:29 AM

OK, I've been contacted by rezamatic and we're going to follow dissention's advice and do a two-person counting system. I have decided to go ahead and start the whole thing over. We'll start a new thread for it this afternoon or evening. Consider this one "practice." And view the new one as a challenge, since there will be more tendencies towards coalitions on both sides. Make you work harder. ;)

That being said, it is very possible the results will turn out differently. Suck it up. We're going to pretend this game never existed. I don't expect to hear whining about it in the new thread. Clean slate, people.

Jacob, I'm sorry this turned out so badly! But take comfort in the fact that the others are going so well. :)

One last thing - the new rules are going to be more precise and may be a tad different than Jacob's. Therefore, they must be read carefully and adhered to. I do not want to hear "That's not the way we've done it before." Now we're doing it Nancy's way, lol.

Thank you Nancy, Just don't make me look to bad :thumbsup:
It will be a changes note hosting but voting, But it will be long needed. I am doing smaller ones in other threads so I am not totally out of the game :blob2:

Not really sure what you're saying here. Something about pissing on fires, or whatever. I would suggest you not get too close to the flames if you are exposing yourself like that. ;)

As for shutting the **** up, don't count on it.

Carne, Did I ever really think you would??? :eek:

HomerMcvie

08-29-2004, 12:18 PM

Now we're doing it Nancy's way, lol.
Oh Lord...........

NoThatFunny

08-29-2004, 12:59 PM

Wow! I missed a lot. The game is completely shot and we have to start over? That's a shame, I was hoping that we could continue and and just put the differences behind us.

This fight between CarneVaca and Rumours77 probably went a little too far, but I can see both points of view on this, and it is true that some serious mistakes were made. I wish we could move forward without having to redo any rounds or start the game over.

CarneVaca

08-29-2004, 01:01 PM

Nancy, I'm glad you're taking over. You're up to the task. I have no doubt of that. I have one concern about using the polling system you were suggesting. Can we keep the results hidden until the last vote is cast? I think that would be a lot of fun.

Otherwise, if the results are shown throughout the day, it creates a problem. The problem is that those folks who have been voting strategically wouldn't be able to change their votes if you are using the polls.

But if you're voting in the dark and the results are made public in the end, that is very exciting indeed.

NoThatFunny

08-29-2004, 01:03 PM

Now this coming from you is especially hilarious... In the end though, it's really NoThatFunny :rolleyes:

If you're saying what I think you're saying, you should be able to explain how Carnevaca and I manage to both be on at the same time right now? :shrug:

CarneVaca

08-29-2004, 01:03 PM

If you're saying what I think you're saying, you should be able to explain how Carnevaca and I manage to both be on at the same time right now? :shrug:

Good point. My advice would be to ignore the nonsense. There's plenty of it to go around anyway.

NoThatFunny

08-29-2004, 01:05 PM

So when is the new game going to start and are we definitely starting from scratch?

NoThatFunny

08-29-2004, 01:07 PM

Good point. My advice would be to ignore the nonsense. There's plenty of it to go around anyway.

:nod: :nod:

I do wish we could just continue with this game, since there are so many songs in Tusk. We may not know the results until October!

I'm not really sure if I have the energy to keep playing, even if it has beena lot of fun.

HomerMcvie

08-29-2004, 01:11 PM

I do wish we could just continue with this game, since there are so many songs in Tusk. We may not know the results until October!
I'm not really sure if I have the energy to keep playing, even if it has beena lot of fun.
This is EXACTLY how I feel. Can't we just FINISH the game we've started.
ALL that time and effort for what? NOTHING? :mad:

NoThatFunny

08-29-2004, 01:13 PM

This is EXACTLY how I feel. Can't we just FINISH the game we've started.
ALL that time and effort for what? NOTHING?

I'm with you on this one. Sodacsouts, is there any way at all, any way at all, that we can just continue the game where left it off? I totally understand wanting to set new solid rules and starting over, but I think that a lot of people are not going to have the patience to keep playing, especially starting over and voting for the same songs again.

Just a thought.

CarneVaca

08-29-2004, 01:14 PM

This is EXACTLY how I feel. Can't we just FINISH the game we've started.
ALL that time and effort for what? NOTHING? :mad:

I'm torn on this too. But I have confidence in Nancy doing the right thing.

rezamatic

08-29-2004, 01:22 PM

I'm with you on this one. Sodacsouts, is there any way at all, any way at all, that we can just continue the game where left it off? I totally understand wanting to set new solid rules and starting over, but I think that a lot of people are not going to have the patience to keep playing, especially starting over and voting for the same songs again.

Just a thought.

Sodascouts and I are planning on trying to get a new game going later today. I think we planned on trying to start over, but now that you guys are talking about starting from where we left off, I agree that that's a good idea. I think we should start off at the round after Brown Eyes was voted off, and erase all previous votes just due to the hassle that it's impossible to count them by now. I'll probably post the rules for our new game (not much different, just more organized) and you guys can take a gander.

I'll talk it over with her and hopefully get the new rules up for you guys to look at. If you don't want to play it, then that's fine. But look for it in a few hours or so.

Hippocampus

08-29-2004, 02:00 PM

If you're saying what I think you're saying, you should be able to explain how Carnevaca and I manage to both be on at the same time right now? :shrug:

Oh please Carne... Anyone with two computers can easily do this. The funny thing is that you're now trying to cover your tracks in not very subtle ways. Giving two different votes in the Wild Heart survivor thread just now really is amusing. As if you'd care about a Stevie survivor game hosted by someone you just flamed to death.

And since I'm all into conspiracy theories and being a general pain, I must say that I had quite a lot of fun reading Dulcimer's posting history. Pretty incredible how he's systematically intervening in your favor to always add that extra voice and support when you're in the heat of things. Such dedication is truly remarkable! No one probably cares but check it out if you want a good laugh, it's hilarious. :D

I suppose Lindsey really needed two extra votes per round to boost his... what was it... oh yes "approval rating" :thumbsup:

All in good fun of course :)

amber

08-29-2004, 06:13 PM

Too late. I already made the decision to leave this game. This game is a crock. You are changing rules to manipulate the outcome. I wonder just exactly what is going on here, how much communication you had with the chiffon heads who obviously got you to reverse yourself yet again.

You have made mistake after mistake. You seem unable to even count, for crying out loud. You have no credibility left in this game. You should excuse yourself and hand it over to someone who has credibility, organization skill and impartiality, someone like Sodascouts.

This game is a farce, and its future outcome has already been tainted by what is either incompetence on your part or a basic lack of a sense of fairness and fortitude.

Outside of that, you're a good dude, and I'll be glad to interact with you on other threads. But you suck at running this thing.
I am late to this argument...But Carne...I'm suprised at you... it was just a recount because someone brought up some incorrect numbers..but who cares? I would be fine if either BC or TEFM left, if all was done fairly. I think you are being a whiny pouty baby, and taking your ball and going home. And i think you're giving short shrift to the "chiffon heads". There is no big plot. in fact, i've seen less plotting, criticism, and yelling by the chiffon heads. But whether that is true or not, I think everyone can agree that, although they may generally prefer one member's songs to another's, that not every member hits a home run every time, and that every member is possessed of genius. And by the way, I like TEFM more than SARA. If you really thought it was wrong, why didn't you just repost the places where it was wrong? I would be willing to go along with anything that was fair. But the big scene??! It's just so...beneath you... :(
I see that, apparently, nancy is taking over the game...whatever, fine.
Thanks Jacob :)
AMber

chiffon head

08-29-2004, 07:39 PM

:laugh: chiffon heads :thumbsup: :laugh:

sodascouts

08-29-2004, 07:49 PM

This is EXACTLY how I feel. Can't we just FINISH the game we've started.
ALL that time and effort for what? NOTHING? :mad:

But I thought going back to a previous round was what started all this mess in the first place? Now all the sudden it's OK? :confused: Or, if you're talking about continuing as is without going back at all, that's not happening. The whole point of this is to solve that controversy.

I'll abide by the majority decision, but I think the way to go is to start clean. The game has been tainted.

sodascouts

08-29-2004, 07:51 PM

I'm torn on this too. But I have confidence in Nancy doing the right thing.

Why thank you! :)

sodascouts

08-29-2004, 08:01 PM