RE-DO of Tusk Song Survivor.

[marc402]

BUGGER


I hoped we could save Not That Funny. This makes my heart bleed. I knew it would be close...............but so close?


Okay. BEAUTIFUL CHILD. Maybe not the smartest choice, but I promised.

feel the pain right along with you!
not that funny you will be missed :(

thanx for still making good on your promise ;)

i too ofcourse as i said in the previous round

vote for BEAUTIFUL CHILD

[shackin'up]

feel the pain right along with you!
not that funny you will be missed :(

thanx for still making good on your promise ;)

i too ofcourse as i said in the previous round

vote for BEAUTIFUL CHILD

I may change my vote if it's getting close and I really have to (f.i when I have to save The Ledge with it. But I have to stick to what I promised at first.)

[rezamatic]

Wow, the drama. We need Jeff Probst doing voice-overs for this thread...

"NEXT time on Tusk Survivor... the Lindsey camp deals with backlash against voting off one of the Stevie alliance's most prominent songs... Christine's dwindling alliance celebrates its much-needed victory over Not That Funny... tensions flare when an immunity controversy abounds... and one more song will be sent home."

I love reality tv :thumbsup:

And by the way, my vote is once again for Brown Eyes.

[shackin'up]

Yes, Jason, we love you :laugh:

Wasn't it Jason who voted off Not That Funny?

Be careful with who you love! Yes I love him too, but he broke my heart a little yesterday. :distress: :distress: :distress: :( :(

[shackin'up]

Wow, the drama. We need Jeff Probst doing voice-overs for this thread...

"NEXT time on Tusk Survivor... the Lindsey camp deals with backlash against voting off one of the Stevie alliance's most prominent songs... Christine's dwindling alliance celebrates its much-needed victory over Not That Funny... tensions flare when an immunity controversy abounds... and one more song will be sent home."



:laugh: :lol: :lol: :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Wasn't it Jason who voted off Not That Funny?

Be careful with who you love! Yes I love him too, but he broke my heart a little yesterday. :distress: :distress: :distress: :( :(

Careful - or my next five immunity choices will be Stevie and we'll just see where that gets the snotty nose pugnacious LB :laugh: :laugh:

(levity)

[CarneVaca]

Be careful with who you love! Yes I love him too, but he broke my heart a little yesterday. :distress: :distress: :distress: :( :(

I thought he changed his vote, no?

[shackin'up]

Careful - or my next five immunity choices will be Stevie and we'll just see where that gets the snotty nose pugnacious LB :laugh: :laugh:

(levity)


Listen Strand, you broke my heart. A little tenderness is expected now. Or did you break a heart for the first time yesterday?


;)

[shackin'up]

I thought he changed his vote, no?

look out, carne, it's a wolf in sheepclothes!:

strand:

An explanation - I wanted to change it this morning. However, I got called away and had no computer access until this evening. So, I would have done it prior to around 11:00 a.m., but could not until now.

BTW - I have no clue what the rules are If changing votes is disallowed, then never mind - I revert to NTF, etc.

In sum, no offense intended and I certainly do not want to start WWIII

[CarneVaca]

look out, carne, it's a wolf in sheepclothes!:

strand:

An explanation - I wanted to change it this morning. However, I got called away and had no computer access until this evening. So, I would have done it prior to around 11:00 a.m., but could not until now.

BTW - I have no clue what the rules are If changing votes is disallowed, then never mind - I revert to NTF, etc.

In sum, no offense intended and I certainly do not want to start WWIII

So he did change his vote. Wait a minute! Was his vote counted?

Edit: I checked. Jason did change his vote and it was counted.

Not That Funny lost fair and square.

[strandinthewind]

Listen Strand, you broke my heart. A little tenderness is expected now. Or did you break a heart for the first time yesterday?


;)


LOL - WHOOOOO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?????????????????????????????

:eek: :eek:

[blackdove]

It's got to be 'save me a place'

[dissention]

Nope it's not that you like NTF more then Brown Eyes. It's that you can't pull yourself out of the "Church of Lindsey" and vote out a song he wrote.

I'm glad to know that even though I have no clue what my tastes are, there is someone out there who professes to know. :rolleyes:

Get over yourself.

[Patti]

Since the song that won't go away has immunity (AGAIN), I really don't care what goes out in this round. So I'll vote for Over & Over.

Jason you're quite a little sh** for giving Save Me a Place immunity. :distress: ;)

[CarneVaca]

It's got to be 'save me a place'

I think that's a wise vote .;)

[dissention]

I guess you're missing the point. I only mentioned becuase just last week he said, he wanted the top 3 to be SMAP, Storms, and Brown Eyes. Of course in reality this doesn't matter becasue NTF is gone, which I like equally to Brown Eyes, but my whole thing is that I was waiting to see if Dissention would vote for Brown Eyes, and he did. This has NOTHING to do with alternating between the writers.

Yes, I did say that, then I changed my mind. ;)

I was trying to be fair between the three songwriters and pick their best songs off the album to be in the final three. But, it did not work out that way. Tough ****. :xoxo:

[dissention]

Certainly. But I see where Hawkeye is coming from.
If I felt a song was worthy enough of being in the Top 3, then I don't think I'd turn around and vote against it (and in only the 4th or 5th round, no less), in favor of another song that I hadn't said should make it to the Top 3. :shrug:

Three of Christine's songs are gone, and she only has three left. Stevie's lost one and has four left. Lindsey's lost two, and still has seven left.
Yet, people seem to be picking off songs they claim to like, in order to save L.B.'s tracks.
I guess to "raise his appreciation" and all, as someone told Lux. ;)

There is mischief afoot, and, as I said before, Christine's biggest supporters should be pretty peeved right now. :shocked:

Myself, I'm just trying to vote for the songs as they're ranked in my head.
And since "Save Me A Place" is protected again this round (by the way, you're off the Christmas list, Jason :p ), then my vote goes to...

(brace yourselves)

"Angel."

That's why you're not me, Le Stew. If you all don't like it, tough. I see we're not allowed to change our minds in this funny land we all inhabit, eh?

[dissention]

My undisguised disdain - honestly- has more to do with the perceived rabidness of the Chiffonese Clan. :eek: , than with my appreciation of Stevie. Their panties DO seem to get in a bunch without much effort. :shrug:, thus making it all worthwhile. :laugh:

:xoxo: Preach it, darling. They profess how much they love her songs and blah blah blah until the cows come home, yet they have an incredibly hard time entertaining the thought that maybe Lindsey fans feel the same way about his music.

[greatdarkwing]

This looks like fun....


Brown Eyes is my vote!

~Alex

[Serrart]

:xoxo: Preach it, darling. They profess how much they love her songs and blah blah blah until the cows come home, yet they have an incredibly hard time entertaining the thought that maybe Lindsey fans feel the same way about his music.

Where are "they"? Actually I'm really trying to vote for the songs, no matter which is the writer, and it seems to me many other Stevie fans (if such a distinction makes sense speaking of Fleetwood Mac albums) too.

Romy

[dissention]

Where are "they"? Actually I'm really trying to vote for the songs, no matter which is the writer, and it seems to me many other Stevie fans (if such a distinction makes sense speaking of Fleetwood Mac albums) too.

Romy

I was just making a general statement, it wasn't meant to single any one person out or to encompass the whole spectrum of Stevie-fandom. :)

[Serrart]

I was just making a general statement, it wasn't meant to single any one person out or to encompass the whole spectrum of Stevie-fandom. :)

Glad to know it :)

Romy

[The Tower]

"Brown Eyes" has got to go.

I always think of a butthole when I see that title... :eek: Yes, I'm a sick individual, I know. :lol:

[wondergirl9847]

Ovah and ovah...in my best Christine accent. LOL

[Hippocampus]

Voting off The Ledge

[shackin'up]

So he did change his vote. Wait a minute! Was his vote counted?

Edit: I checked. Jason did change his vote and it was counted.

Not That Funny lost fair and square.

:sorry:

sorry strand, I misread that. I love you again. With whole my heart.






barf

[strandinthewind]

:sorry:

sorry strand, I misread that. I love you again. With whole my heart.






barf :lol: :lol:

accepted!!!!!

[Vianna]

Off with the Ledge

[NoThatFunny]

No, no, no, save The Ledge.

Save The Ledge!

[Johnny Stew]

Prickling (<--now there's a word you should use cautiously) other players is part of my game.

Oh yeah, we had guys like you in junior high. ;) :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

How wonderful! You've finally come around to the realization Lindsey is best!

Second-best. ;)

Hey, by the way, now that Sara is gone, which song do you think should win?

It's not "Save Me A Place," I'll tell you that much. :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

:xoxo: Preach it, darling. They profess how much they love her songs and blah blah blah until the cows come home, yet they have an incredibly hard time entertaining the thought that maybe Lindsey fans feel the same way about his music.

Me thinks the point is... as usual... being lost.

How can you chastize a group of people for supporting Stevie, bash them for voting to save her songs, accuse them of not being smart enough to think for themselves....... and then do the same thing in regards to Lindsey?

"We're better than you, even when we're doing the same things we make fun of you for." :laugh: ;) :xoxo:

More and more, I'm wanting one of Christine's songs to win this sucker.
Now THAT would be the ultimate victory. :D

[Hawkeye]

Yes, I did say that, then I changed my mind. ;)

I was trying to be fair between the three songwriters and pick their best songs off the album to be in the final three. But, it did not work out that way. Tough ****. :xoxo:

OK I'm all right with it now as long as you REALLY like NTF mre then Brown Eyes.

[Hawkeye]

I think that's a wise vote .;)

Like I said earlier, Stevie fans aren't the brightest aplles in the bunch :laugh:

[Hawkeye]

:xoxo: Preach it, darling. They profess how much they love her songs and blah blah blah until the cows come home, yet they have an incredibly hard time entertaining the thought that maybe Lindsey fans feel the same way about his music.

Looks like YOU need to get over YOURSELF.

Man this has by far been the best Survivor game yet :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

Like I said earlier, Stevie fans aren't the brightest aplles in the bunch :laugh:

We're all too busy gazing at shiny things, I guess. :rolleyes: :p :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

We're all too busy gazing at shiny things, I guess. :rolleyes: :p :laugh:

Like all of her Platinum and Gold solo records as well as the ones she sang duets on with other artists outside of FM - all while LB fumed over her musical prowess without his ever firmer guiding hand. Alas, the LB fans are left without many, many such trinkets!!!!!

:cool: :wavey: :wavey: ;) ;) :xoxo: :laugh:

[Mari]

:rolleyes:
Meanwhile, I've a vote to cast:

Brown Eyes.
I will miss you, goodbye.

[amber]

SMAP is my second fav. on Tusk, so . . . . Sara is my fav. - but you people went hog wild with that one :mad:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

From there it gets a little murkier. I LOVE You'll Never Make ME Cry ( :mad: ) and Think About Me. But, I also love IKINW, Tusk, and BC (her voice and those words and CM's harmony - SHEEBUS). So we shall see how it all pans out and what groups within groups making plans within plans (oooo slight Dune reference :] ) win out in the end!!!!!

Its all good fun to me!!!! :cool:

These kinds of problems help to illustrate why there should be two winners....no, i'll never stop saying that.... :sorry:

Anyway, my vote is for Walk a Thin Line, and I do think Not That Funny is better than a couple other Lindsey songs...JFTR...like WATL and SMAP....
AMber

[Serrart]

That's Enough For Me

Romy

[amber]

That's Enough For Me

Romy
NO, NO, NO, NO, NOOOOOO, NO, NO NO NONO.... NOOOOOO, NO! :lol:

[Serrart]

NO, NO, NO, NO, NOOOOOO, NO, NO NO NONO.... NOOOOOO, NO! :lol:

It has to go... It has to go... (she said in crazed trance :p)

Romy

[dissention]

I vote for Brown Eyes.

[NoThatFunny]

I agree that Brown Eyes must go. It is time...

[Dulcimer]

Brown Eyes, it's time to go.

[dreamongypsydkm]

Brown Eyes

what a snoozer

[sodascouts]

I don't like Brown Eyes all that much either. It gets my vote this time. :)

[CarneVaca]

I vote for Brown Eyes.

Rest in pieces...

[jwd]

Hey I want to change my vote to "What Makes You Think You're The One". It hasn't received a vote yet eh? :)

[amber]

Brown Eyes

what a snoozer
At least it's not a *barfer*. It's very beeoootiful. Barfers? WATL & SMAP. Yeah, you heard me... :laugh:
Amber

[amber]

Like I said earlier, Stevie fans aren't the brightest aplles in the bunch :laugh:
Really? I bet most of us would know how to spell apples.... :wavey:
Amber

[Sugar]

Brown Eyes

[amber]

Like all of her Platinum and Gold solo records as well as the ones she sang duets on with other artists outside of FM - all while LB fumed over her musical prowess without his ever firmer guiding hand. Alas, the LB fans are left without many, many such trinkets!!!!!

:cool: :wavey: :wavey: ;) ;) :xoxo: :laugh:
What did you say??? I couldn't read your post with all the GOLD and PLATINUM shining in my eyes :D :D
Woohoooooooo, Stevie!
AH, HA HA, HA HA! :thumbsup:
AMber

[HomerMcvie]

Like all of her Platinum and Gold solo records as well as the ones she sang duets on with other artists outside of FM - all while LB fumed over her musical prowess without his ever firmer guiding hand. Alas, the LB fans are left without many, many such trinkets!!!!!
It has been my experience in life that the most popular in anything usually speaks to the lowest common denominator. There's not much thought required to follow the widely beaten path. To be enchanted by chiffon and witchy twirling, velvet fountains, and fairy farts(c-Diss).
Popularity is for the masses. No thanks. Stevie fans can brag about the trinkets all they want. I'm not impressed in the least.
And for the record, Bella Donna is one of my favorite albums of all time. But, I love Law and Order alot more. :thumbsup:

[CarneVaca]

It has been my experience in life that the most popular in anything usually speaks to the lowest common denominator. There's not much thought required to follow the widely beaten path. To be enchanted by chiffon and witchy twirling, velvet fountains, and fairy farts(c-Diss).
Popularity is for the masses. No thanks. Stevie fans can brag about the trinkets of they want. I'm not impressed in the least.
And for the record, Bella Donna is one of my favorite albums of all time. But, I love Law and Order alot more. :thumbsup:

You speak with true wisdom, friend.

[Hawkeye]

I agree fully that we shouldn't be bringing up sales as a measure of Greatness. If we did NSYNC would be one of the greatest bands of all time. And to move closer to the 70's The Eagles would be far superior to Fleetwood Mac which they are not. But just because something is the most popular doesn't mean it's the lowest comon denomenator. The Beatles are always considered the #1 band in any list but the national guard and the bomb squad would flock to my house if I said something bad about them (I Like them by the way just an example)

[77Rumours77]

Tribal Counsel...
The Votes show that Brown Eyes has the most votes. Brown Eyes please leave the tribal area now. All other head back to camp.

Tonights Recap
Brown Eyes - 16
Walk A Thin Line - 5
Beautiful Child - 3
The Ledge - 3
That's Enough For Me - 2
Over & Over - 2
Angel - 1
WMYTYTO - 1

Remaning Contestants
Over & Over
The Ledge
Think About Me
Save Me A Place
What Makes You Think You'er The One
Storms
Sisters Of The Moon
Angel
That's Enough For Me
I Know I'm Not Wrong
Beautiful Child
Walk A Thin Line
Tusk

Voted Off
Honey Hi - 8/18
Sara - 8/19
That's All For Everyone - 8/20
Never Forget - 8/21
Never Make Me Cry - 8/22
Not That Funny - 8/23
Brown Eyes - 8/24

Immunity..
No Immunity - - Answer the question...The date Rumours came out in theUK
Please post the answer in THIS FORUM... and please put the song that you want to be saved. Good Luck

I am startting to wonder if Something will happen to Save Me A Place that will get it disqualified soon....could it be...??? :laugh: :rolleyes: :wavey: (I can bet some people would love this)

O BTW Vote changing is allowed!!!!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[HomerMcvie]

But, when I hear, "Well, Stevie's better because she's got more gold records", it definitely shows the standards by which they make their judgements. Sheep, walking off a cliff, IMO (pun intended):lol:
There's no correlation between sales and art. Quite the contrary.

[Hawkeye]

1977 The Ledge has immunity

[dissention]

Jan 28 1978, I believe.

[77Rumours77]

1977 The Ledge has immunity

Im sorry, I meant to say dd/mm/yy Try again :sorry:

[HomerMcvie]

Feb 4th , 1977? If so, Walk a Thin Line has immunity.

[CarneVaca]

I am startting to wonder if Something will happen to Save Me A Place that will get it disqualified soon....could it be...??? :laugh: :rolleyes: :wavey: (I can bet some people would love this)


Just exactly how would a song get disqualified? :shrug:

[77Rumours77]

Feb 4th , 1977? If so, Walk a Thin Line has immunity.

GOOD! :wavey:
My vote goes to SAVE ME A PLACE

[77Rumours77]

Just exactly how would a song get disqualified? :shrug:

O I don't know......Fot having the words Save and Place in the title...YESSS.. That is in strict violation of the rules.. :rolleyes: :cool: :laugh: :wavey: :p








(jest messin, it can't happen)

[dissention]

GOOD! :wavey:
My vote goes to SAVE ME A PLACE

:laugh: I had no clue.

[Hawkeye]

Save Me a Place

[The Tower]

"Tusk"

Yeah, the title song- blah, blah, blah....

[Johnny Stew]

Now that it's eligible again, my vote goes to....

"Save Me A Place."

[HomerMcvie]

If immunity can be changed, I'd like to change it to Save Me a Place.

[strandinthewind]

Now that it's eligible again, my vote goes to....

"Save Me A Place."

Am I gonna have to put you over my knee and spank you :p :wavey: :wavey:

[DeadliestPoison]

I change my vote!

That's Enough For Me. Adios!

[jwd]

There's no correlation between sales and art. Quite the contrary.

I'd like to think that sometimes there is(The Beatles) and sometimes there's not(Britney Spears). But then again who am I to say what another man's "art" is? What's one man's "art" is another man's "fart" :laugh:, and vice versa. It's all very subjective my friend. :)

[Johnny Stew]

It has been my experience in life that the most popular in anything usually speaks to the lowest common denominator. There's not much thought required to follow the widely beaten path.

But then what's it say about "Go Your Own Way," "Tusk," "Trouble," "Go Insane" and "Big Love"?

How about all of the hit-albums and hit-singles (including those by John Stewart and Walter Egan) that Lindsey has produced/co-produced?

How about the credit Christine so often gets (and so rightly deserves) for having the most hit singles out of all the writers in Fleetwood Mac?

Are they not still good songs and good albums simply because they were also successful sellers?

Or is that argument only used to negate Stevie's accomplishments? ;)

I think we're ALL very happy for our favorite member when they have a success (I remember how quickly CarneVaca pointed out that "Peacekeeper" did better on the charts than "Say You Will" did), and I think we all enjoy basking in that a little.

So let's not deride anyone for something that we're all guilty of. :nod: :D

:xoxo:

[jwd]

If immunity can be changed, I'd like to change it to Save Me a Place.


ARE YOU ****ING SERIOUS?! :lol: This is one of the craziest survivor games ever! :)

[GateandGarden]

Save me a Place

[GypsySorcerer]

Back to That's Enough For Me.

[HomerMcvie]

I'd like to think that sometimes there is(The Beatles) and sometimes there's not(Britney Spears). But then again who am I to say what another man's "art" is? What's one man's "art" is another man's "fart" , and vice versa. It's all very subjective my friend.
Very true, BUT, don't you see that my point was that they were bragging about Stevie's gold records, and implying that that made her better? That's what irks my goat. :eek:

[jwd]

don't you see that my point was that they were bragging about Stevie's gold records, and implying that that made her better?

Yes I do see your point, and I don't believe that someone's sales necessarily makes them a better artist. I was just responding to your statement that "there is no correlation between art and sales", which is what I disagreed with. :wavey:

[Cristian]

Tribal Counsel...
The Votes show that Brown Eyes has the most votes. Brown Eyes please leave the tribal area now. All other head back to camp.


BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok,

I Know I'm Not Wrong


The best song of the album is already gone. Boo.

[Johnny Stew]

Very true, BUT, don't you see that my point was that they were bragging about Stevie's gold records, and implying that that made her better?

The original post you were initially responding to was Jason's, and it was obviously meant to be tongue-in-cheek, given all of the smilies and kissies and winkies he included in it.

Not to mention the fact that he was the one who just voted to give "Save Me A Place" immunity not more than one round ago. ;)

That's what irks my goat. :eek:

Well then, rescind your goat, silly! ;) :xoxo:

[Hawkeye]

If immunity can be changed, I'd like to change it to Save Me a Place.

Not after this round has been going on for so long.

[TISL]

WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU'RE THE ONE

[golden braid]

My pick for this round is Over and Over.

[EnchantedSLN]

That's Enough For Me.

It's ok, but IMO the weakest of Lindsey's songs on Tusk.

[Hawkeye]

I see how this is going. It looks like That's Enough For Me is going to take away votes from Save Me A Place. That sucks. All the while the well orginized and clever Lindsey fans will band together to knock out either Over and Over or Beautiful Child. So really people, a vote for That's Enough For Me is a vote for Beautiful Child.

[dreamongypsydkm]

That's Enough For Me

How did this outlast Sara??

[tynan88]

I vot for Save me A Place

Tynan

[HomerMcvie]

If immunity can be changed, I'd like to change it to Save Me a Place. Not after this round has been going on for so long.
SO LONG??? My REDO of Immunity was 12 MINUTES! after my initial call, and only 4 votes had been cast. Check the log times, Gore. :D
(I wasn't prepared to win the question, and hadn't thought out my immunity, at all!)

[Johnny Stew]

SO LONG??? My REDO of Immunity was 12 MINUTES! after my initial call, and only 4 votes had been cast. Check the log times, Gore. :D
(I wasn't prepared to win the question, and hadn't thought out my immunity, at all!)

If a song is given immunity, and people have already started to vote accordingly, I honestly don't think the person who gave it immunity should suddenly be able to change their minds.

I'd think that once the voting has begun, then the "Immunity Song" is set.

Four votes were cast before you changed your mind, and I think it would be unfair if those votes were suddenly void.
And I'd feel the same way if we were talking about "Sara" here.

Otherwise, I call shenanigans on this whole thing! ;)

[HomerMcvie]

If a song is given immunity, and people have already started to vote accordingly, I honestly don't think the person who gave it immunity should suddenly be able to change their minds.
Well, this is Jacob's game, so I guess let's let him be the judge. Believe it or not, I find myself FAR less anal about FM than many others here, so I completely hadn't even given a thought about what song I would give immunity to.
It's like winning the lottery, except I'm being paid in gumballs!

[ryan8472]

SAVE ME A PLACE!!!

[Claudia]

Brown Eyes is gone? :( Oh well, I vote for 'Angel'.

[ryan8472]

Brown Eyes is gone? :(

I know....it's Chris' best song on Tusk! First Sara, now Brown Eyes? Whats the world coming to?

[chiffon head]

Round 8~ Save Me A Place

Renee

[strandinthewind]

I have a general question for 77Rumours77

Is Save Me a Place immune? If so, what is to prevent it from becoming not immune later in this round? If immunity can be changed, what is the point of it :shrug: Just Curious :cool:

[shackin'up]

BEAUTIFUL CHILD

Come on, save smap.

[shackin'up]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok,

I Know I'm Not Wrong




You border on insanity. Glad that that vote doesn't hav ANY chance

[shane]

Save Me A Place has to go!

[CarneVaca]

(I remember how quickly CarneVaca pointed out that "Peacekeeper" did better on the charts than "Say You Will" did),

Sorry, Johnny, I couldn't let that one slide. I would ever only make such an argument to counter the "Stevie gets more radio play" assertions. I couldn't care less if Lindsey's songs never got played on the radio, though I am sure he would. Point is I like my music for the emotional connection I make with it, not for how many times I can hear it on the FM dial.

[CarneVaca]

Folks, before you waste your vote, keep in mind that SAVE ME A PLACE HAS IMMUNITY!

May the deity bestow you with eternal happiness, virility and ceaseless foresight, young Homer!

[CarneVaca]

I see how this is going. It looks like That's Enough For Me is going to take away votes from Save Me A Place. That sucks. All the while the well orginized and clever Lindsey fans will band together to knock out either Over and Over or Beautiful Child. So really people, a vote for That's Enough For Me is a vote for Beautiful Child.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

A vote for Save Me a Place is a vote for BUSH! Besides, Save Me a Place has immunity!

[rezamatic]

I don't think there's any saving "Save Me A Place" this time, unless this immunity thing gets confirmed. Man it had a good run, though. This thread's getting so difficult to follow! I think we should start a new thread each round, lol...

My vote (as pointless as it shall be this time around) will go to "Walk a Thin Line" just to show that I am capable of voting against Lindsey. :p

[jwd]

My vote goes to "Save Me A Place" because it is easily the worst track on TUSK. If this absurd immunity change for SMAP holds up, then I'm voting for "That's Enough For Me".


IMMUNITY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE CHANGED ONCE THE ROUND STARTS!

[CarneVaca]

IMMUNITY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE CHANGED ONCE THE ROUND STARTS!

Says who!? I want to see the rule stating this. You can't just make up rules as you go along when something happens you don't like.

Who is running this game, John Asscroft! ? Katherine Harris! ? The DEVIL! ?

[jwd]

What if a person changed immunity close to the end of a round? All the previous votes for that particular song would be void. Talk about disenfranchising! Come on, let's use common sense on this folks and be fair. :)

[Patti]

What if a person changed immunity close to the end of a round? All the previous votes for that particular song would be void. Talk about disenfranchising! Come on, let's use common sense on this folks and be fair. :)

I agree with you, jwd. I somehow think if the song was something other than Save Me A Place, Carne wouldn't be so enthusiastic about changing immunity after the round starts! :wavey: ;)

[CarneVaca]

What if a person changed immunity close to the end of a round? All the previous votes for that particular song would be void. Talk about disenfranchising! Come on, let's use common sense on this folks and be fair. :)

Hey, I have no fundamental difference with your position. The problem is precedent is against you. Immunity was changed before, I believe, only two nights ago. So why should it be ruled out now?

Besides, there is mass confusion right now. A lot of people don't know which song has immunity. I would play it safe and vote for neither. Otherwise, I am going on the assumption, based on precedent, that SMAP has immunity.

Precedent has to matter.

[CarneVaca]

I agree with you, jwd. I somehow think if the song was something other than Save Me A Place, Carne wouldn't be so enthusiastic about changing immunity after the round starts! :wavey: ;)

I am shocked, astounded and disappointed at this accusation! :distress:

My goal has always been to play a clean, fun game and let the chips fall where they may. But you have to admit that this round has fallen into disarray. Without a clear ruling on which song has immunity, a lot of players are going to have trouble deciding which song to vote for.

So, either we go on precedent and allow SMAP to retain immunity, or this round must be declared invalid, unequivocally!!

[Patti]

I am shocked, astounded and disappointed at this accusation! :distress:

My goal has always been to play a clean, fun game and let the chips fall where they may. But you have to admit that this round has fallen into disarray. Without a clear ruling on which song has immunity, a lot of players are going to have trouble deciding which song to vote for.

So, either we go on precedent and allow SMAP to retain immunity, or this round must be declared invalid, unequivocally!!

Aw, Carne, I was just teasin' ya! :xoxo:

This round is in total disarray, ITA. I'm not going to vote until things are straightened out. But I don't think it's right to change immunity once people have voted on a particular song, based on the original immunity.

[jwd]

I agree with you, jwd. I somehow think if the song was something other than Save Me A Place, Carne wouldn't be so enthusiastic about changing immunity after the round starts!

Thanks Patti. And I agree with you! :) ;)

[CarneVaca]

But I don't think it's right to change immunity once people have voted on a particular song, based on the original immunity.

That is a reasonable argument. However, some people voted thinking WATL had immunity and then others started to vote thinking SMAP had immunity. Either way, it's a mess. So I say we either go with precedent or invalidate the round.

Where is Jimmy Carter when we need him?

[jwd]

Immunity was changed before, I believe, only two nights ago. So why should it be ruled out now?

I think you're thinking of vote changing, not immunity changing. Anyway, I'm not going to belabor this anymore. Have a nice day everyone. :wavey:

[Serrart]

So I say we either go with precedent or invalidate the round.

I don't think immunity has been changed before this round. Jacob is the only one who can clarify the situation, so I'll wait for his response too. :nod:

Romy

[dissention]

What if a person changed immunity close to the end of a round? All the previous votes for that particular song would be void. Talk about disenfranchising! Come on, let's use common sense on this folks and be fair. :)

But that didn't happen. It happened a few minutes after the round started and the few people who voted have the opportunity to change their vote to something else.


Save Me A Place HAS IMMUNITY.

[CarneVaca]

I think you're thinking of vote changing, not immunity changing. Anyway, I'm not going to belabor this anymore. Have a nice day everyone. :wavey:

Let's let me figure out what I'm thinking. And what I'm thinking, and I know, happened two nights ago was that immunity was changed from one song to the other.

[Patti]

Carne, here's what happened:

Post #454: Jacob gave a freebie to the first person to reply to the thread and pick a song for immunity.

Post #455: GateandGarden replied with "Walk a Thin Line", a song which she had voted out in the past, so the decision was she was voting off the song, not giving it immunity.

Post #457: Jason asked for immunity for "Save Me A Place".

Post #461: Jason again clarified that immunity was for "Save Me A Place".

So there really wasn't a switch in the immunity song in this scenario, just a clarification. Therefore I submit again that once a song is given immunity and people have voted based on that, immunity should not be able to be changed.

[shackin'up]

I wanna know if my vote is one that makes sense. The only way to find that out is if you let me know which song has immunity. It's already 5 PM over here and I can't make anything of this round.

[CarneVaca]

Patti, Jason changed his original immunity vote. He did it quickly enough that most people didn't see it.

[CarneVaca]

I wanna know if my vote is one that makes sense. The only way to find that out is if you let me know which song has immunity. It's already 5 PM over here and I can't make anything of this round.

Therein the real problem with this round.

Where is Jimmy Carter?

[Claudia]

I think the first song to have been given immunity should remain immune. It's only fair... But then again I don't hold or make the rules so...

[Patti]

Patti, Jason changed his original immunity vote. He did it quickly enough that most people didn't see it.

Well if most people didn't see it (myself included), then no one voted based on his original immunity, whatever that was. So I still maintain that once immunity is given, it stays, if someone has already voted on the original immunity. Changing your vote is a whole different animal than changing immunity IMO.

I do think we ought to declare this round invalid and start over again.

[strandinthewind]

Patti, Jason changed his original immunity vote. He did it quickly enough that most people didn't see it.Actually, I never changed my immunity vote. I used "save" in the original request for SMAP because the immunity grant used the word "save." Then I clarified when the thread starter asked if there was no immunity. I did however, change my original vote. :cool:

[CarneVaca]

Actually, I never changed my immunity vote. I used "save" in the original request for SMAP because the immunity grant used the word "save." Then I clarified when the thread starter asked if there was no immunity. I did however, change my original vote. :cool:

Hmm... my memory may be failing me, Jason. But I could swear -- if it wasn't you, then it might have been someone else -- I could swear I logged on and saw one song with immunity, then went back to the thread several minutes later and the immunity song had been changed.

Am I the only one who noticed this?

[greatdarkwing]

Can someone hand me a tylenol?! Good lord, this is getting confusing as hell. Anyone care to give this Republican the reader's digest version of this round? :laugh:

~Alex

[CarneVaca]

Can someone hand me a tylenol?! Good lord, this is getting confusing as hell. Anyone care to give this Republican the reader's digest version of this round? :laugh:

~Alex

Whaaat!? You're a Republican!!??

[ontheEdgeof17]

Gee Whiz. Feels like 5th grade up in this place. It's a thread on a message board for goodness sakes. How hard is it to just vote and leave it at that? It's becoming lame.

[greatdarkwing]

Gee Whiz. Feels like 5th grade up in this place. It's a thread on a message board for goodness sakes. How hard is it to just vote and leave it at that? It's becoming lame.

Thank you for saying out loud what so many of us have been keeping on the inside. This whole "Im changing my vote" thing is really taking away from the game...What does this look like...Florida???!!

Whats punched on the butterfly ballot, stays on the butterfly ballot :laugh:

~Alex

[CarneVaca]

Gee Whiz. Feels like 5th grade up in this place. It's a thread on a message board for goodness sakes. How hard is it to just vote and leave it at that? It's becoming lame.

If it's lame, you are welcome to cease and desist from further participating.

[ontheEdgeof17]

If it's lame, you are welcome to cease and desist from further participating.


You don't have to respond. I didn't ask for your opinion.

[HomerMcvie]

Whew. What a mess. :sorry: Folks, you'd better be ready for your immunity choice if you get to answer the question!!! Since Jacob hasn't made a ruling, and the immunity song WAS changed a couple days ago(much as vote changing has been allowed), the 12 minute immunity change should be allowed to stand.
Save Me a Place is immune.
Oh, and I forgot to vote...........
I don't like Beautiful Child

[marc402]

no matter wich of the 2 songs has imunity for me as i wasn't gonna vote against either one of em

my vote goes to beautiful child AGAIN

i agree this round is messy afair so far :p

[Mari]

Beautiful Child.

[CarneVaca]

You don't have to respond. I didn't ask for your opinion.

But here's the beauty of message boards: You don't get to decide who responds to you and when.

[amber]

It has been my experience in life that the most popular in anything usually speaks to the lowest common denominator. There's not much thought required to follow the widely beaten path. To be enchanted by chiffon and witchy twirling, velvet fountains, and fairy farts(c-Diss).
Popularity is for the masses. No thanks. Stevie fans can brag about the trinkets all they want. I'm not impressed in the least.
And for the record, Bella Donna is one of my favorite albums of all time. But, I love Law and Order alot more. :thumbsup:
Ah, the "music snob" defense. :) "Since everyone likes it, it must suck.." Well, i'm sure you have a good point, but i stopped being disuaded from my tastes by exclusionary elitism awhile back...but I still appreciate it. I just don't want it to narrow my possible enjoyment of things...But rock on! That's the beauty of taste... :xoxo:
AMber

[amber]

Says who!? I want to see the rule stating this. You can't just make up rules as you go along when something happens you don't like.


But don't you see? If Immunity is allowed to be changed, that WILL be making up rules as you go along. The immunity giver could just keep changing what they want according to the votes they see coming in, ie, making up rules as he/she goes along!

I vote for SMAP...SMAPSMAPSMAPSMAPSMAP!
Save Me a Place, that is..

AMber

[amber]

Hmm... my memory may be failing me, Jason. But I could swear -- if it wasn't you, then it might have been someone else -- I could swear I logged on and saw one song with immunity, then went back to the thread several minutes later and the immunity song had been changed.

Am I the only one who noticed this?
No, you're not
AMber

[ontheEdgeof17]

But here's the beauty of message boards: You don't get to decide who responds to you and when.


Ah. You just like to stir up trouble so you respond to everything just to be in the mix of things. Do as you please. I'll be sure just to skip your posts cuz I'm sure it will be just another post on pointing out a problem and dwelling on it.

[CarneVaca]

No, you're not
AMber


Thanks, I didn't think I was going crazy... at least not any more than usual.

So if this was allowed before, it stands to reason that it should be allowed now. Therefore, Save Me a Place has immunity.

[CarneVaca]

Ah. You just like to stir up trouble so you respond to everything just to be in the mix of things. Do as you please. I'll be sure just to skip your posts cuz I'm sure it will be just another post on pointing out a problem and dwelling on it.

You will spare both of us some trouble. You won't address me unnecessarily, and I won't have to reply to your unnecessary addresses.

It all works out. ;)

[amber]

Homer McVie may have a point, but while I admit to liking my fair share of obscure bands and complaining that Nirvana (or whoever) were better when nobody but me and my friends liked them, being popular and being artistically valid aren't mutually exclusive you know.
An example? The Beatles of course.

And back on topic, what is happening to this round? I have NO clue!
There is an immunity dispute, the guy changed his immunity song to SMAP after 4 people have already voted. Then a couple posts ago, WITHOUT ANY RULING FROM RUMOURS 77(!) homermcvie or carne just SAID ok, SMAP is immune (again, Rumours 77 has not ruled on this) so, to my mind, SMAP does not yet technically have immunity. But that is what happened. Oh, then everyone argued about stuff in between :laugh: Yaaaaaaay, Ledge!
AMber

[CarneVaca]

Oh, then everyone argued about stuff in between :laugh: Yaaaaaaay, Ledge!
AMber


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: !!!

And that pretty much says it all, my friend. ;)

[amber]

So does Save Me A Place have immunity or not?

I still don't understand the hatred towards that song, I love it.
well, that's the whole point, Rumours 77 hasn't ruled. People who like the song are saying it's immune, I voted as if it wasn't immune, since the first immunity given was not to SMAP, and I think people could just keep changing immunity according to votes if we allow people to change it....
HOWEVER
only 4 votes were cast, and in this one case i will happily abide by Rumours 77 ruling..
So you may want to wait until then to vote.
AMber

[CarneVaca]

well, that's the whole point, Rumours 77 hasn't ruled. People who like the song are saying it's immune, I voted as if it wasn't immune, since the first immunity given was not to SMAP, and I think people could just keep changing immunity according to votes if we allow people to change it....
HOWEVER
only 4 votes were cast, and in this one case i will happily abide by Rumours 77 ruling..
So you may want to wait until then to vote.
AMber

I am going to continue operating on the belief that Save Me a Place has immunity. Since you and I remember that there was a precedent set about this, I don't see why in this instance the person shouldn't be allowed to change it.

If Rumours77 wants to make a ruling on that, I suspect the time to have done so effectively has passed. Our friends in Europe will soon be going to bed and it is unfair to them to not have a ruling to let them know exactly what they're voting for. So we either go with Save Me a Place having immunity or this round needs to be done over.

[Johnny Stew]

My goal has always been to play a clean, fun game and let the chips fall where they may.

*Ahem*

Is it really a "clean, fun game" when you IM people asking them to vote off particular songs?

I would think a "clean" game would involve no behind-the-scenes influencing whatsoever?

No? ;)

[Hawkeye]

NO, this is freaking BS. HomerMcVie had Walk a Thin Line as immunity. Then after he sees that Save Me a Place had recieved 4 votes, then he says OH I want to change immunity. That's just wrong. You CAN NOT change immunity once a bunch of votes have been cast. Curtis wanted to chnage immunity a few rounds ago but couldn't so WALK A THINK LINE has immunity people.

[Johnny Stew]

Sorry, Johnny, I couldn't let that one slide. I would ever only make such an argument to counter the "Stevie gets more radio play" assertions. I couldn't care less if Lindsey's songs never got played on the radio, though I am sure he would. Point is I like my music for the emotional connection I make with it, not for how many times I can hear it on the FM dial.

As I recall, the topic was in regards to the opinion of whose current songs are better than whose (or if either is really "better" than the other), and you cited the fact that "Peacekeeper" charted higher than "Say You Will," as evidence supporting your statement that "Peacekeeper" is the better song and Lindsey's is the better material on the album. :D

[amber]

I am going to continue operating on the belief that Save Me a Place has immunity. Since you and I remember that there was a precedent set about this, I don't see why in this instance the person shouldn't be allowed to change it.

If Rumours77 wants to make a ruling on that, I suspect the time to have done so effectively has passed. Our friends in Europe will soon be going to bed and it is unfair to them to not have a ruling to let them know exactly what they're voting for. So we either go with Save Me a Place having immunity or this round needs to be done over.
I don't think that precedent should be a reason to do something in every case. What if there were 20 votes already cast? Would precedent then make changing immunity ok in that case too? That shouldn't be right. I will understand if Rumours 77 allows the immunity to change, as there was only 4 votes, but then i think he should make a rule: NO IMMUNITY CHANGES. Unless an answer by a person is found to be wrong, or something, then it reverts to whoever got the answer right next. But as a rule, i do not think individual people should be allowed to change their immunity...
AMber

[amber]

NO, this is freaking BS. HomerMcVie had Walk a Thin Line as immunity. Then after he sees that Save Me a Place had recieved 4 votes, then he says OH I want to change immunity. That's just wrong. You CAN NOT change immunity once a bunch of votes have been cast. Curtis wanted to chnage immunity a few rounds ago but couldn't so WALK A THINK LINE has immunity people.
Ironically enough, these are my 2 least favorite songs on the ledge.... :laugh: Sucks to be me! :D
AMber

[CarneVaca]

*Ahem*

Is it really a "clean, fun game" when you IM people asking them to vote off particular songs?

What is dirty about it? Why would you object to that?

[CarneVaca]

NO, this is freaking BS. HomerMcVie had Walk a Thin Line as immunity. Then after he sees that Save Me a Place had recieved 4 votes, then he says OH I want to change immunity. That's just wrong. You CAN NOT change immunity once a bunch of votes have been cast. Curtis wanted to chnage immunity a few rounds ago but couldn't so WALK A THINK LINE has immunity people.

I'm afraid I disagree with that. Since it was Homer's decision to make, Save Me a Place stands until the officials make a ruling. As I see it, Save Me a Place has immunity still.

[CarneVaca]

As I recall, the topic was in regards to the opinion of whose current songs are better than whose (or if either is really "better" than the other), and you cited the fact that "Peacekeeper" charted higher than "Say You Will," as evidence supporting your statement that "Peacekeeper" is the better song and Lindsey's is the better material on the album. :D

I think you're mistaken about that. If you can quote it back to me where I ever said a song is ever better than another because of the way it charts, I would be very surprised. However, I would add that Peacekeeper is by far a better song, regardless. ;)

[amber]

What is dirty about it? Why would you object to that?
Probably because, though technically allowed, it is sneaky and underhanded...ie, "dirty", "slimy" etc. :laugh: I don't mind much - My mind doesn't work that way, so i wouldn't think of doing it, but hey! hey, hey!!! hey, hey hey!!!! :wavey:
AMber

[CarneVaca]

I don't think that precedent should be a reason to do something in every case. What if there were 20 votes already cast? Would precedent then make changing immunity ok in that case too? That shouldn't be right. I will understand if Rumours 77 allows the immunity to change, as there was only 4 votes, but then i think he should make a rule: NO IMMUNITY CHANGES. Unless an answer by a person is found to be wrong, or something, then it reverts to whoever got the answer right next. But as a rule, i do not think individual people should be allowed to change their immunity...
AMber

Problem is there was not explicit rule saying you couldn't. And since it's happened before, which you and I agree it has, why would he think he wouldn't be allowed to change it? Let's be fair here.

[Johnny Stew]

What is dirty about it? Why would you object to that?

Well, what's clean about contacting people and telling them which songs to vote for?

That sounds like something that happens in dictator-ruled countries. ;)

[CarneVaca]

Probably because, though technically allowed, it is sneaky and underhanded...ie, "dirty", "slimy" etc. :laugh: I don't mind much - My mind doesn't work that way, so i wouldn't think of doing it, but hey! hey, hey!!! hey, hey hey!!!! :wavey:
AMber

I know you're kidding. But, no, it's not underhanded. It's just one way of playing the game.

[amber]

Problem is there was not explicit rule saying you couldn't. And since it's happened before, which you and I agree it has, why would he think he wouldn't be allowed to change it? Let's be fair here.
I'm not saying he shouldn't think he would be allowed to change it. I'm saying that maybe he shouldn't be allowed to change it, I don't care what he thought about being allowed or not. I realize that he didn't change it because of some evil plot, only because he hadn't thought about it and answered to quickly - however, I think if he is allowed to change it, it should henceforth be known that people won't be allowed to change it evermore. :laugh:
AMber

[CarneVaca]

Well, what's clean about contacting people and telling them which songs to vote for?

That sounds like something that happens in dictator-ruled countries. ;)

Johnny, did I misinterpret you, or aren't you the one that keeps going around lately telling people to take discussions off the boards and instead use e-mail or PMs? The point: PMs exist for a reason -- to exchange information that doesn't belong on the public board. What is so dirty about that? And do you honestly think I actually have the power to change that many people's minds? Brown Eyes got 15 votes yesterday. Do you think I'm responsible for all that? You attribute to me more power than I deserve.

[Johnny Stew]

I'm afraid I disagree with that. Since it was Homer's decision to make, Save Me a Place stands until the officials make a ruling. As I see it, Save Me a Place has immunity still.

Homer changed his mind after four people cast their votes. One of which was Jacob, who... at that time... ruled that "Walk A Thin Line" had immunity.

In my opinion, "SMAP" is on the chopping-block and should be dealt with accordingly. :nod: :D

[CarneVaca]

I'm not saying he shouldn't think he would be allowed to change it. I'm saying that maybe he shouldn't be allowed to change it, I don't care what he thought about being allowed or not. I realize that he didn't change it because of some evil plot, only because he hadn't thought about it and answered to quickly - however, I think if he is allowed to change it, it should henceforth be known that people won't be allowed to change it evermore. :laugh:
AMber

Ugh... I can't believe I was actually able to follow that. :laugh: I think that makes sense.

[Hawkeye]

What is dirty about it? Why would you object to that?

The only thing dirty about it is you're 100 times better at it then I am :laugh:

[CarneVaca]

Homer changed his mind after four people cast their votes. One of which was Jacob, who... at that time... ruled that "Walk A Thin Line" had immunity.

In my opinion, "SMAP" is on the chopping-block and should be dealt with accordingly. :nod: :D

In my opinion, since there has been no ruling to the contrary, SMAP has immunity. Furthermore, since no one ever told Homer or anyone else that it was not OK to change your mind on which song gets immunity, SMAP has immunity. Homer had not reason to believe he shouldn't be allowed to make the change.

This is a failure of the rules of the game, not of the players. And as such, SMAP has to stand as the immunized song. It's pretty simple, really.

[amber]

Ugh... I can't believe I was actually able to follow that. :laugh: I think that makes sense.
Why :confused: Are you concerned that you may now be as smart and strange as I? :cool: :rolleyes: :laugh: Are you concerned that you have now, officially, read too many overrated 19th century tomes, and have way to good a grasp of convoluted sentences? :shrug:
AMber

[amber]

I know you're kidding. But, no, it's not underhanded. It's just one way of playing the game.
that's what i just said.
AMber

[Johnny Stew]

Johnny, did I misinterpret you, or aren't you the one that keeps going around lately telling people to take discussions off the boards and instead use e-mail or PMs? The point: PMs exist for a reason -- to exchange information that doesn't belong on the public board. What is so dirty about that? And do you honestly think I actually have the power to change that many people's minds? Brown Eyes got 15 votes yesterday. Do you think I'm responsible for all that? You attribute to me more power than I deserve.

It has nothing to do with the means you used to do it... just that you're doing it, so let's not be coy here.
IMing people and saying "Hey, vote off _______" is dirty business, IMO, when coming from someone who was just expousing their desire for a "clean" game. :D

[CarneVaca]

Why :confused: Are you concerned that you may now be as smart and strange as I? :cool: :rolleyes: :laugh: Are you concerned that you have now, officially, read too many overrated 19th century tomes, and have way to good a grasp of convoluted sentences? :shrug:
AMber

:laugh: :laugh: :p

[CarneVaca]

It has nothing to do with the means you used to do it... just that you're doing it, so let's not be coy here.
IMing people and saying "Hey, vote off _______" is dirty business, IMO, when coming from someone who was just expousing their desire for a "clean" game. :D

Why is it dirty? What's dirty about making a case for something you believe in? Your perspective on this is just silly.

[Hawkeye]

Homer changed his mind after four people cast their votes. One of which was Jacob, who... at that time... ruled that "Walk A Thin Line" had immunity.

In my opinion, "SMAP" is on the chopping-block and should be dealt with accordingly. :nod: :D

EXACTLY. Homer should've figured out right away that SMAP would be on the chopping block. He cna't change his mind after it recieved 4 votes. Lets go to the real survivor, Jeff Probst is reading 3 votes for someone but then the person with immunity says in the middle JEff reading the votes that someone gives immunity to the person with 3 votes.

[Johnny Stew]

In my opinion, since there has been no ruling to the contrary, SMAP has immunity. Furthermore, since no one ever told Homer or anyone else that it was not OK to change your mind on which song gets immunity, SMAP has immunity. Homer had not reason to believe he shouldn't be allowed to make the change.

This is a failure of the rules of the game, not of the players. And as such, SMAP has to stand as the immunized song. It's pretty simple, really.

Actually, it's even more simple than that.
Jacob ruled that HomerMcVie's answer was correct, and "Walk A Thin Line" had immunity.
Once he did that, it was cemented.

So my opinion is that everyone and anyone who wants to vote off "Save Me A Place" should do so now. Don't let anyone try to fool you into thinking it's protected, until JACOB says otherwise.

[Johnny Stew]

Why is it dirty? What's dirty about making a case for something you believe in? Your perspective on this is just silly.

Uhm, how is it "making a case" for something, by telling people how to vote?

You don't see something a little shifty in that?

Oh no, wait, I answered my own question. ;) :laugh:

[Patti]

Actually, it's even more simple than that.
Jacob ruled that HomerMcVie's answer was correct, and "Walk A Thin Line" had immunity.
Once he did that, it was cemented.

So my opinion is that everyone and anyone who wants to vote off "Save Me A Place" should do so now. Don't let anyone try to fool you into thinking it's protected, until JACOB says otherwise.

Ok, Johnny Stew, I have waited all day to vote to see if there was going to be any resolution on a timely basis. Since Jacob is MIA, I'm going to follow your suggestion and vote off Save Me A Place because I want it GONE.

[amber]

Uhm, how is it "making a case" for something, by telling people how to vote?

You don't see something a little shifty in that?

Oh no, wait, I answered my own question. ;) :laugh:
Well, the point is, people can vote however they want, and if Carne has strategized it all out, and then presents his point to people who may agree with him (or not) then he's just kind of ahead of the curve on that. Again, I don't LOVE it, and am not usually sneaky or plotting enough to do it, but think it's well within the perameters of the game, as long as he's not using mind control drugs, or threats of dismemberment or credit ruination... :laugh:
Think of him as a businessman just this side of the law :D gross, maybe...illegal? not yet :laugh:
Amber

[CarneVaca]

Don't let anyone try to fool you into thinking it's protected, until JACOB says otherwise.

No one is fooling me into anything, not even you. The point is it had never been explicitly stated that changing the immunized song was illegal, therefore Homer did not know it was. And it wasn't because it was never made so. And if it was made so, it was never explicitly stated. Therefore, SMAP has immunity.

Otherwise, this round has to be declared invalid.

Our friends in Europe are going to bed not knowing what to do in this round because no ruling has come. It would be unfair to them to take immunity away from SMAP and validate the round.

[CarneVaca]

Uhm, how is it "making a case" for something, by telling people how to vote?

You don't see something a little shifty in that?

Oh no, wait, I answered my own question. ;) :laugh:

Seriously, dude, what is so wrong about that? Is it because the votes haven't gone your way? Would you be complaining if I were trying to persuade people to vote for the songs you want out?

I suspect you don't know the meaning of "shifty." You may not agree with how I play the game, but I would appreciate if you would stop casting aspersions on my integrity.

[CarneVaca]

Ok, Johnny Stew, I have waited all day to vote to see if there was going to be any resolution on a timely basis. Since Jacob is MIA, I'm going to follow your suggestion and vote off Save Me A Place because I want it GONE.

Dude, how can you vote for Save Me a Place without a backup? Too risky because we don't know what's going to happen.

[Hawkeye]

No one is fooling me into anything, not even you. The point is it had never been explicitly stated that changing the immunized song was illegal, therefore Homer did not know it was. And it wasn't because it was never made so. And if it was made so, it was never explicitly stated. Therefore, SMAP has immunity.

Otherwise, this round has to be declared invalid.

Our friends in Europe are going to bed not knowing what to do in this round because no ruling has come. It would be unfair to them to take immunity away from SMAP and validate the round..
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Well I say either Walk a Thin Line has immunity or this round should be considered invalid :laugh:

[CarneVaca]

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Well I say either Walk a Thin Line has immunity or this round should be considered invalid :laugh:

Frankly, I think it should be declared invalid at this point. There's too much confusion.

[Johnny Stew]

You may not agree with how I play the game, but I would appreciate if you would stop casting aspersions on my integrity.

You sound like a political candidate now. :laugh:

This whole thing is supposed to be fun... remember, Carne?
I'm not casting aspersions on your integrity, I'm teasing you. :)

And I wasn't razzing you about what you're doing, only that you're doing it and THEN saying that you want a "clean" game. Just doesn't seem clean to me, that's all. :shrug: ;)

[Johnny Stew]

Frankly, I think it should be declared invalid at this point. There's too much confusion.

I agree.
And I feel that the policy of granting immunity should be dropped.

It was a good idea, but unfortunately it seems to create far too much confusion.

Let each song have to battle it out, fairly and squarely, with nothing protected.

[CarneVaca]

And I wasn't razzing you about what you're doing, only that you're doing it and THEN saying that you want a "clean" game. Just doesn't seem clean to me, that's all. :shrug: ;)

I know you're trying to mess with me, dude. But the point is there is nothing dirty about persuading people to vote a certain way. You can believe otherwise all you want, if you insist on it, but it doesn't make it so.

If I weren't playing clean, would I have been as quick to accept the results of the Not that Funny round? Hell, I was really pleased with how the fight was fought, though I lost in the end. I even said Not that Funny lost fair and square. That's the game. So be it.

But I suspect you wouldn't razz me if I were politicking in favor of the songs you like. Right? ;)

[Patti]

Dude, how can you vote for Save Me a Place without a backup? Too risky because we don't know what's going to happen.

Carne, I'm so tired of trying to get rid of this god-awful song, that I don't even care what happens until it GOES! :o

[Johnny Stew]

If I weren't playing clean, would I have been as quick to accept the results of the Not that Funny round? Hell, I was really pleased with how the fight was fought, though I lost in the end. I even said Not that Funny lost fair and square. That's the game. So be it.

Ah yes, but that was in regards to "Not That Funny"... not "Save Me A Place."
When it's about saving "SMAP," you seem to be a lot more adamant. ;)

But I suspect you wouldn't razz me if I were politicking in favor of the songs you like. Right? ;)

I don't know... campaign for any one of Lindsey's remaining songs, instead of "Save Me A Place," and maybe you'd have me on your side. ;)

But anytime that song isn't protected, I'm going to vote against.

(For the record, I'm VERY bummed to lose "Not That Funny," and even more bummed to lose "That's All For Everyone." The latter being one of Lindsey's two best songs on the album, IMO. :( )

[Serrart]

I vote off Save Me A Place.

Romy

[DeadliestPoison]

I am way too confused.
This round needs to be made invalid and started over IMO.
What could be fairer than that? :)
I'm right there with you, Sharon. I don't think we should start it over, though. I'm getting SO tired of Tusk Survivor.

Maybe the next album can have different threads for each round?

Have I even voted in this round? What round are we IN?!

[77Rumours77]

Immunity is cancelled for this round. Walk A Thin Line and Save Me A Place are up for votes again. So if you want to change you vote please do so between now and 10 o-clock (CNT) I am extending the voting for a couple fo hours.

Ok. If you are going to change immunity PLEASE DO IT BEFORE NOBODY HAS VOTED FOR THAT SONG! There were 4 votes for SMAP so I can not allow the immunity to be changed. Sorry..


AGAIN IF YOU ARE GOING TO CHANGE YOUR VOTE PLEASE TELL THE SONG YOU PREVIOUSLY VOTED FOR AND THE NEW VOTE,
Thanks

[sodascouts]

You made the right decision, Jacob. I prefer SMAP to Walk a Thin Line, BUT changing the immunity because you've realized too late that you made a tactical error is completely BOGUS. It would start a slippery slope that would suck the fun out this game, and give WAY too much power to the immunity-giver. The confusion in this round was caused by Homer McVie and perpetuated by a few others, but their frantic attempt to rewrite history shouldn't invalidate everyone else's votes. Again, I am saying this as someone who thinks SMAP is a beautiful song and superior to WATL.

Addressing another topic: I don't think it's underhanded to ask someone to vote a certain way. They can choose not to do so. I do think it's lame to change your vote but I've already voiced my disappointment about that.

So, I'm not worrying about it anymore. I'm just going to vote for The Ledge because it's too stressful otherwise. :)

[dissention]

Beautiful Child

[amber]

Immunity is cancelled for this round. Walk A Thin Line and Save Me A Place are up for votes again. So if you want to change you vote please do so between now and 10 o-clock (CNT) I am extending the voting for a couple fo hours.

Ok. If you are going to change immunity PLEASE DO IT BEFORE NOBODY HAS VOTED FOR THAT SONG! There were 4 votes for SMAP so I can not allow the immunity to be changed. Sorry..


AGAIN IF YOU ARE GOING TO CHANGE YOUR VOTE PLEASE TELL THE SONG YOU PREVIOUSLY VOTED FOR AND THE NEW VOTE,
Thanks
Dude, not to be critical, but you shoulda started a new thread for this, right here, right now, with your post...so convenient, and that way everyone who checks back in will know that you made a ruling in the SMAP case.... :wavey:
AMber

[dissention]

Dude, not to be critical, but you shoulda started a new thread for this, right here, right now, with your post...so convenient, and that way everyone who checks back in will know that you made a ruling in the SMAP case.... :wavey:
AMber

Why can't they just check this thread like in the past?

[Travis]

SAVE ME A PLACE


and can we please ....

Get a new post for each new round??????????????????????

[amber]

Why can't they just check this thread like in the past?
I, personally hate scrolling back forever through the thread. I think it makes it more confusing. But besides that...
I thought he should especially do one now, because there was a controversy and everyone was waiting for him to rule, and with a new thread they would know he had...see already people have put posts up after his.
It's just more convenient and logical, to me. Like, every day the new thread starts with "ok, this has been voted out, and such and such are left" very first thing, very first page! easy peasy! And the thread would each day be named, "Tusk surivor, round blah" simple pimple! :)
AMber

[CarneVaca]

Immunity is cancelled for this round. Walk A Thin Line and Save Me A Place are up for votes again. So if you want to change you vote please do so between now and 10 o-clock (CNT) I am extending the voting for a couple fo hours.

Ok. If you are going to change immunity PLEASE DO IT BEFORE NOBODY HAS VOTED FOR THAT SONG! There were 4 votes for SMAP so I can not allow the immunity to be changed. Sorry..


AGAIN IF YOU ARE GOING TO CHANGE YOUR VOTE PLEASE TELL THE SONG YOU PREVIOUSLY VOTED FOR AND THE NEW VOTE,
Thanks

Wo woh woh. Wait a minute. How can you still go ahead with this round and extend it? What about our European friends who are asleep right now. You are doing them a great injustice.

This round must be disqualified. It's the only fair thing to do!!

[CarneVaca]

Ah yes, but that was in regards to "Not That Funny"... not "Save Me A Place."
When it's about saving "SMAP," you seem to be a lot more adamant. ;)

I assure if SMAP loses fair and square, I will declare it so.

I assure you, however, that if this round is counted after all this confusion and after all out European friends have gone to bed, I will cry FOUL like there's no tomorrow.

[Dulcimer]

I can't believe how messy this game is getting. This round is total chaos. If it was up to me, I would make this whole round null and void. But in case it isn't, I vote for getting rid of Beautiful Child.

[ryan8472]

I wish we could just abolish the whole immunity thing. It just makes for a lot of controversy and arguing.

[dissention]

I wish we could just abolish the whole immunity thing. It just makes for a lot of controversy and arguing.

It doesn't matter to me, honestly. I like the immunity, but it's confusing. I say keep it, but set new rules for its use.

[NoThatFunny]

This is crazy!! Wheeeew. Is this board always like this?

Man, oh man.

Anyway, my vote goes to Beautiful Child. You're not a child anymore.

[dissention]

This is crazy!! Wheeeew. Is this board always like this?

Man, oh man.

Anyway, my vote goes to Beautiful Child. You're not a child anymore.

Welcome to the dark side, darling. :laugh:

And welcome to the board, I never got to officially say that. :wavey:

[Johnny Stew]

I assure you, however, that if this round is counted after all this confusion and after all out European friends have gone to bed, I will cry FOUL like there's no tomorrow.

You don't need to assure me of that... it's pretty much a given. ;)

Personally, I still don't understand what the confusion is/was about.
HomerMcVie answered the question and cited "Walk A Thin Line" as the song to which he wished to grant immunity. Jacob told him his answer was correct, and validated "WATL" as the Immunity Song.

That Homer changed his mind afterwards, is of no consequence. His first choice was given immunity by Jacob, fair and square. :nod: :)

I look at it this way... once Jacob deems which song has immunity, there should be no "call-backs." That rule always worked when I was 12, and it somehow seems fitting now. ;)

[DeadliestPoison]

In case I haven't voted in this round yet...

WALK A THIN LINE, since it's not immune anymore.

[Sugar]

Beautiful Child

[jbrownsjr]

You are so beautiful child that I need you to fall away!

bye bye!

for those who speak english that was me voting off BChild.

[Tango]

My vote is for Save Me A Place . I love the song, but there are others that I love more.

[rezamatic]

It's been brought to my attention that Walk a Thin Line may have immunity...? (I can't even follow this anymore, lol) so if that is the case my vote is Beautiful Child. Not changing my vote, just letting you know.

[CarneVaca]

I vote to can BEAUTIFUL CHILD.

But I do so under protest! This round should be invalidated!! And I am going to continue to insist on it.

[dissention]

I vote to can BEAUTIFUL CHILD.

But I do so under protest! This round should be invalidated!! And I am going to continue to insist on it.

Yes, it should be invalidated, there's been WAY too much confusion. Even I don't knwo what's going on, folks.

[Hawkeye]

why is it whenever SMAP is on the chopping block a few people ask for the round to be re done or they say there's alot of confusion. Maybe there WAS some confusuin but heh it's cleared up, lets move on.

[Hawkeye]

Yes, it should be invalidated, there's been WAY too much confusion. Even I don't knwo what's going on, folks.

You don't know whats going on because SMAP has a good possibility of leaving :wavey:

[dissention]

why is it whenever SMAP is on the chopping block a few people ask for the round to be re done or they say there's alot of confusion. Maybe there WAS some confusuin but heh it's cleared up, lets move on.

Huh? Three posts above yours, there's still someone who doesn't know what the hell is up. It's confusing and this whole round is a mess.

Sour grapes?

[dissention]

You don't know whats going on because SMAP has a good possibility of leaving :wavey:

No, I don't know what's going on because I haven't read all 4,981,091 pages for this round. 4,981,090 of them being you complaining about SMAP, I would assume. :wavey:

[HomerMcvie]

HomerMcVie had Walk a Thin Line as immunity. Then after he sees that Save Me a Place had recieved 4 votes, then he says OH I want to change immunity.
Horse****. Unless you've got a crystal ball and a scarf on your head, don't ASSume you know my motivation. My decision had nothing to do with the 4 votes cast. I was HOPING to change it before any votes were cast!!!
But thanks for the ASSumption. Wrong.

[CarneVaca]

why is it whenever SMAP is on the chopping block a few people ask for the round to be re done or they say there's alot of confusion. Maybe there WAS some confusuin but heh it's cleared up, lets move on.

Can you honestly sit there with a straight face and say there was no confusion? Or is that your anti-SMAP bias talking?

All I know is if this round is counted, the integrity of this whole game is lost. It's a shame, because right up to now it's been a vibrant, fun competition.

[CarneVaca]

Horse****. Unless you've got a crystal ball and a scarf on your head, don't ASSume you know my motivation. My decision had nothing to do with the 4 votes cast. I was HOPING to change it before any votes were cast!!!
But thanks for the ASSumption. Wrong.

As the aggrieved party, you should insist on invalidating this thread. And YOU should have the right to call for immunity. YOU answered the question correctly.

[Hawkeye]

this round is absolutely confusing, but it's not THAT much more confising then other rounds. I'd say when Not That Funny and Brown Eyes were voted out there was alot of confusion too but we only ask for a re do of a round when SMAP is on the chopping block. You Yourself said either SMAP should have immunity or this round should be invalidated. So if Jake had said SMAP is immune this round would count in your mind but if it isn't immune the round shouldn't count. Now that's straight from you with you pro-SMAP bias

[Hawkeye]

Can you honestly sit there with a straight face and say there was no confusion? Or is that your anti-SMAP bias talking?

All I know is if this round is counted, the integrity of this whole game is lost. It's a shame, because right up to now it's been a vibrant, fun competition.

OK tell me for real, if Beautiful Child ends up going instead of SMAP will the integrity of this game be restored. If not then I'll leave you alone.

[HomerMcvie]

As the aggrieved party, you should insist on invalidating this thread. And YOU should have the right to call for immunity. YOU answered the question correctly.
What do you say, Jacob? How about starting the voting OVER for this round, beginning with my answer of the question, and the immunity for SMAP that I chose.
I ALSO think a new thread for each round would be beautiful. :wavey:

[CarneVaca]

OK tell me for real, if Beautiful Child ends up going instead of SMAP will the integrity of this game be restored. If not then I'll leave you alone.

No, Hawk, we all have to admit this round is screwed up beyond repair, regardless of what song wins.

[77Rumours77]

OK... New thread. Starting this round over... Sorry.. :thumbsup: :sorry: